Mothman Madness!

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Have you ever wondered what was out there in the
night sky, stared up at the stars in the hopes
of seeing something out of the ordinary. Have you heard
unexplainable noises coming from a vacant room, or watched the
shadow across the wall in front of you. Have you
asked yourself if there is life after this one, or
if you had life before? What about strange creatures that

(00:28):
are mythical and elusive? Have you experienced dejo vu or
felt a prompting to leave because you felt you were
in danger.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
If you have, you were on the fringe.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
All right, Welcome to another episode of On the Fringe.
I'm Mark, I'm Pam, and.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I'm Jess or Mothjess Moth.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Just for those of you who aren't familiar, Jess Is
has got got the thing going for moth Man.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
She even has a plushy I do.

Speaker 6 (01:28):
Cute. I know he's a little buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Her befriend. He is he.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
And he loves you too.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
Yay.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, you know Mothman has been seen as a harbinger
for bad things. Uh, but I you know he's seen
a lot of places where nothing really super bad has happened.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
And I believe one time.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I can't Europe someplace he scared off the whole mining
crew before their shift, and then the mind collapsed later
that day.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
So interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
Maybe maybe he's just trying to help.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
Yeah, maybe maybe he's understood.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
He is misunderstood.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
There, Mothman has been making headlines off Nonsinse nineteen sixty six.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Yes, so.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
He's been around a little while. I don't know if
we have any pre nineteen sixty six sightings, but he
was first seen in the Point Pleasant area by upwards
of one hundred people between sixty six and sixty seven,

(02:52):
and then the bridge collapse, and he's been seeing all
kinds of places. Actually, got a map of the United
States places where he has been seen, so I can
show that later or now. If you guys want to
watch it, look at it.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Sure, go for it.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
So I am technologically not too bright. Sorry, So you
see him over here Virginia, West Virginia, UH, and then

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up in Indiana, Michigan, all kinds of ones in the
Chicago area, so.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
All kinds of off.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Man sidings over there, and then if you zoom out,
there's even a few in Europe and Japan. So he
gets around.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
He's international, but most most of them seem to be
uh in the Eastern United States, and looks like most
of the sightings these days are.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Up in the Chicago uh in the Michigan area.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah, there has been a few sidings in Kansas City.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
That's true. I have read about those, and.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
There was a few.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
There was a few down in Texas a year or
two ago too.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I've seen reports as recently as just this last year
of sightings, including one near Point Pleasant in a cemetery.
So it is an ongoing phenomenon, it really is. I'm sorry,

(05:12):
my allergies are about to get me. Uh So if
I cough and hack on camera, I apologize.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
So let's back it up a little bit and let's
tell like the basic story of Mothman, so everybody kind
of knows how it began. Now we have knowledge of
sightings of a mothman type creature long before the Silver
Bridge incident and everything that surrounds that. But we're gonna

(05:45):
start on that stuff because that's the one everybody knows.
If you've watched The Mothman Prophecies or read John Keel's
book The Mothman Prophecies, or This Silver Bridge by Gray
Barker all on that same topic. Books are very different.
By the way, if you've never read the books, I
would say to read Gray Barker's first, because it really

(06:07):
focuses on the bridge and it's more written like a novel,
as if you're reading like it as a story. And
then hit John Keel's book because that's where the wackiness begins,
and he's a lot more detailed in the.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Facts.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
And also his story runs in between it because he
actually got involved with it. He walked in there and
was a part of it and actually had some experiences
of his own. And of course, if any and if
you know John Keel at all, it goes in thirty
different directions of craziness. So okay, so point Pleasant, West Virginia.

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We're talking about the mid to late sixties. All of
this is gearing up. The Silver Bridge has not collapsed yet,
but we're gonna We're gonna hit towards the end of fall,
coming into Christmas time, because that's when all of this
really hits hits big. They had had a few little

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sightings here and there leading up to this time, and
they were just little teeny tiny off one offs, like
one gentleman was out fishing and he could have swore
he saw a gigantic bird, but it was only for
a minute and then, you know, just some little snippets
here and there, so it's like gearing up, but it
really hit big with two couples that had been out.

(07:35):
There's an area called the T and T area just
outside of Point Pleasant. It's a little rural area. It's
actually an old World War two ammunitions plant that had
long since been walked away from, and it's full of
all these little like I shouldn't say little, they're fairly
big concrete bunkers, but they look like igloo. So these

(07:58):
little domes kind of setting out here. And I will
say so this particular area didn't have any history to
it leading up to this point of any kind of
hauntings or cryptids or bigfoots or UFO activity. It was
literally just a place where the teens would go to

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drive around, drag race their cars and make out. There
was a little makeout area. The cops knew it. For
the makeout area. They have to go out, you know,
every weekend and shine their flashlights in kids' cars and
break it up. So there's yeah, there's absolutely no history

(08:40):
of any kind of cryptid or haunting phenomenon happening in
this area. Leading up to this, it literally was just
kind of like bam, here we go. So it started
out November fifteenth with two couples that were out driving
around in their fifty seven Chevy, just kind of cruising
those back roads, and they spotted something. They called it

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super slender and muscular, shaped kind of like a man,
but around seven foot tall, had wings folded down in
on itself, and had red, shining hypnotic eyes. And this
thing actually ended up rising up above their car and

(09:26):
chase them all the way back into Point Pleasant. And
the crazy thing is is that it apparently kept up
with them. They claimed to have actually gotten up to
one hundred miles per hour and it kept up quite easily,
so imagine how fast that was flying. Another oddity to
the moth Man is that people never saw it really

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flap its wings. It would have its it would spread
its wings out, and then it would just go faster
and faster and faster. The wings never flapped anything. It
was more like a yeah, yeah, it's very very strange. Yes,
there's other ones we'll mention later where it worked almost

(10:09):
like a helicopter. It would like raise straight up, it
would put its wings out, and then it would raise
straight up without it flapping, and then it would like
do circles around vehicles without ever removing its wings. Very
very strange stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Well, that almost makes you wonder if it wasn't some
sort of experiment. I know that there's rumors.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Of that.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
It's an experimental suit or something.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Right, something.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
There's a lot of conspiracy theories along those lines.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
So yeah, So beyond those, it also had this weird
screeching sound to it that apparently was very cacophonous. It
was extraordinarily loud chasing these very young couples. I will
say they were like eighteen nineteen, so very very young,

(11:09):
newly married couples, step and Mary Mellett and Roger and
Linda Scarsbury were their names. Another oddity to the situation
was is that on their way out before they spotted
the mothman, they had driven past a very dead dog

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in the road, which they were kind of sad about.
Somebody's pet had probably gotten hit by a car, and
they noted that on their way out where they should
have had to drive around that dead dog, the dog
was gone and this is going to be important later.
This is a Mothman's specialty. So they make it clear

(11:51):
back into town. Mothman left them. Once they hit Point
Pleasant city limits. They headed straight for the Sheriff's office
to report this, which they did, and luckily for them,
the deputy on duty absolutely believed them, and he said
later it was because this set of particular kids had
never ever been in trouble and they came from very

(12:14):
good family, so there was absolutely no reason for them
to make this up whatsoever. And he actually decided to
follow them back out because he wanted to get down
to the bottom of it. If something was chasing cars
or something he needed to know. And the first thing
they did was they went out and they looked for
that dog, and they never did find the body of
the dog. And then he decided to park his car

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and take a look around. They didn't see anything, and
he decided to radio back into the station, and when
he flipped the radio on, they said, what came through
on the other side was this horribly loud noise and
it sounded like someone had turned a radio station on
or recording or a record and was playing it and

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fast forward. So it was this garbled message that was
just spinning super super fast, and it was getting louder
and louder and louder, and he turned his radio off
and on several times to get it to stop, and
it was just worse every time he turned it on.
So now we have the beginning of this strange garbiy
electronic y sounding messages that start coming through later and

(13:24):
we'll discuss those two. It's all a very strange mess right,
So where are we? So that's the beginning of their story.
Their story's going to pick up again later on. So
the next morning, the sheriff's office called a press conference

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and tons of reporters came in to interview the two
couples and the sheriff and the deputy. And this is
where Mafman got its name, because it hit the ap
super hard and it spread like while fire and they
still don't know exactly sure which one did it, but
some copy editor at one of those newspapers ended up

(14:08):
giving it the name the Mothman. And that's what's stuck,
because I think before that it was called the bird
or the flying monster, you know whatever. Actually, it had
about one hundred names because as I'm going to start
going through some of these stories and just to give
you some reference, they all call it something different. So

(14:30):
I think it kind of le lends credence to those
not being sightings that were made up just so that
they could be a part of the phenomenon. But they
were true sightings because they were trying to explain them
in their own way what they saw. So every sighting
is going to be called something just a little bit different,
which I think is super interesting.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
It is because they're not cookie kind of responses, you know. Everyone. Yeah,
it's like when you take it's organic. Yes, yeah, it's organic.
Because you know, if you take the Bigfoot camp, the
UFO camp, and the ghost hunters camps, they may see
the same thing, but they're going to describe it in
three entirely different ways using their own personal references, you know,

(15:15):
the pull front. And that's what makes these so interesting,
these sightings, because they are, like Mark said, they're organic.
They're not just saying what everybody else said.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I saw them off, man, it was like I saw
this crazy flying thing.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
I don't know what it was, kind.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
Of looked like a bird, but it had red eyes. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, but that's what's interesting, Like the Big particulars are
still present in every story. The red eyes, the wings,
the color, the shape of it, and it's weird way
that it moves or it flies. It's all in there,
but they're all called something just a little bit different.

(15:55):
How those each of these individuals are really trying to
explain to people from their perspective what it was they.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Saw looked like a really big owl.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, yeah, Well, if you think of the shape of
the mothman that we know today, if you just saw
it in silhouette real quick, you would think, okay, maybe
it's an owl, or you know, maybe it is a
moth or some kind of a weird bird.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Or unless you see the sculpture that's in Point Pleasant.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
With the shiny butt with the shiny bet.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
That everybody rubs pretty good luck.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yes, yeah, if you ever get a chance to go
to Point Pleasant, do it. They have a huge museum there.
I haven't yet gotten the chance to go, but it's
on my to do list, And they have a huge
mothman statue outside, and apparently it is highly popular and
good luck to rub the mothman's tush and it's all

(16:54):
rubbed shiny. It's pretty cute.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
That's buddy.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, AnyWho, it's time to go to make the road trip.
Pam and I volunteer to go with.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Absolutely, we'll make it a road trip.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
And there's bridges were good.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Oh no, we've got to do the bridges. Here is
a picture of the Mothman statue. Yes, I don't know
if you can see the shiny spot on his butt
on this one, but you can you can see it
my computer.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
So all right, So moving on, I just want to
let you know, so the research that I have out
right now is solely on Mothman stuff. I'm going to
let you know that in between all of this, there
was other uh increments of high stre range and its

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happening along with almost all of these Mothman sightings, there
was a previous UFO sighting right before it. I'm just
gonna let you know that also in between all of these,
and I'm not gonna touch on it because it's too
much to do on this one show. We're just gonna
do Mothman. There were men in black sightings. They were

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showing up to these people's houses a day or days
after their sidings with Mothman and doing all their fun
peculiar stuff. Along with all this weird electronical interference, phone
interference and stuff like that happening to all of these people.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Weird phone calls, weird.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Phone calls also happening to these people, which I'm not
gonna discuss in great detail here because the show will
go for hours long, is the fact that each one
of these people, even if they didn't have a UFO
sighting to go along with their Mothman sighting, they still
were having symptoms as if they had been part of

(19:07):
a one on one UFO sighting. So bleary red, splotchy faces,
horrible rashes, eye issues, lung issues. Some of them had
stuff so bad they couldn't see for a couple of days.
They were just so swollen and messed up, like radiation,

(19:30):
radiation poisoning and things like that stuff that you see
with those like one on one super close contacts with
aliens or UFOs. So this is all going down with Mothman.
So I'm just putting that out there. She can kind
of capture in your head how big this phenomenon was
at the time. So the next night, after the two

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couples had their run in with Mothman and their Chevy,
a mister and Missus Raymond Wamsley and Missus Marcella Bennett
and her her baby daughter Tina, were in a car
going through the TNT area and they watched this crazy
red light move over the whole TNT area with them.

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It was kind of floating above the tree line and
they watched it and it finally zigzagged and zoomed off.
They were headed to a friend's house just outside the
TNT area. They didn't end up saying the house. They
all piled out of the car and knocked on the
door and found out that the couple wasn't home, but
their children were, so they spoke to their children briefly

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and turned around to leave, and when they did, the
moth man was standing behind their vehicle. And now here
we've got another weird phenomenon going on. Apparently the red
eyes were so hypnotizing that the lady who had the
baby with her froze up. She said she literally could

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not move. It was like she was petrified and it
caused her to drop her baby. Baby was fine, just
really ticked off, had gotten dropped in the dirt, and
it actually took mister Ramsley coming and scooping the baby
up and jerking her out of her weird fervor that
she was underneath and getting them back into the house.

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And here's where it gets even scarier. They bolted the
door closed and the mothman actually came up onto the
porch and stuck his face in the window and just
stared them down while they were calling the police. Police
came fast, but they didn't get there fast enough. He
had mothman had scadaddled off. So now we have a

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second huge sighting that was reported to the press, and
we've got this weird hypno effect happening with the eyes,
which you're going to hear more about. That's going to
become a large factor in all of these Meanwhile, if
any of y'all are injured Cold fans, because this is
totally injured Cold territory. The night that that happened was

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Woody darren Berger's third contact with indured cold. So all
of this is happening all at the same time. Just
a heads up if you're keeping kind of track of
how this insanity is going. So November seventeenth, the next
day after that, in the morning, at four forty five am,

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a lady named Mary Grouse, who actually lived across the
road from the T ANDT area. Woke up in the
middle of the night and above the tree tops in
the field above the T and T area, she watched
this weird pre lit like inside liit disc float above

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the tree line and it was turning red and green
and red and green, and it was doing weird zigzag
patterns and then shot off. So I'm letting you know
that because later that afternoon, in that same exact spot,
a seventeen year old boy was driving through there and
reported seeing a huge bird thing and it dove at

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his car and chasing for a mile on Route seven,
right near Mary's home. So now we're getting this weird
coincidental thing where a UFO happens, and then you see
mothman and he called it the huge bird thing. So
next day, November eighteenth, two firemen Paul Yoder and Benjamin

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enox encountered a giant bird with red eyes at the
T ANDT area. They were out there looking for a
good hunting spot where they spotted this thing. November twentieth,
five teenagers driving along nearby Campbell's Creek by the T
and T area reported seeing a manlike bird creature standing
beside the rock quarry. When spotted, it turned and it

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walked into the woods. So this time it didn't even
try to fly. It just kind of sauntered itself back
off into the into the woods. The same day, an
elderly businessman saw seven foot tall gray apparition with flaming
red eyes in his front yard. He watched it for

(24:19):
about an hour until it finally flew off. So now
we're starting to get these repetitive I'm going to show
up here and there and pop up. I will say,
whatever it was, I think it was sentient in some
type of way, because all around the T and T

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area people started showing up in droves trying to spot it,
and every time they would gather someplace to watch from Offman,
it would pop up where they were not, so it
was as if it knew where they were headed to next.
They were also gathering at Woody Drnberger's to watch for

(25:00):
indured cole so it was taking advantage of the crowds
not being at certain places and that's where it would
pop up at. Very strange.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
I find it interesting that the phenomenon with the sightings
of Mothman and the UFOs is very similar to what
we discussed in the Owls episode.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah h so, yeah, yeah, and this thing was called
the owl Man at certain points.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
You've got a great point because you know, there's the
mesmerization with the eyes and a lot of you know,
and the height, the size of the thing where they
would pull up the road and there it would be
just six.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Foot tall owl.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah. So maybe it was an alien, but he couldn't
quite cloak himself correctly and ended up looking like the
mothman instead.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
Of Maybe he didn't know what an owl really looked like,
so when he was thinking owl owl, he was or
maybe he pronounced it wrong and it came out mof man.
I don't know, maybe.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Birdman bird attorney a.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Flash back, Yeah, okay. November twenty fourth, two adults and
two children driving past the TNT area reported seeing a
giant flying creature with huge, buggy red eyes. So there's
that one. November twenty fifth, at seven fifteen am, a
shoe salesman named Thomas Urie was driving Route sixty two

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just north of the TNT area. He reported seeing a tall,
gray manlike figure standing in a field. And this one's
very interesting. So we're going to really start seeing this
Mothman's like propulsion and how it moves. So it suddenly,
he said, it suddenly spread a pair of wings and

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took off straight up like a helicopter. It veered over
his convertible, and that's scary at heck, could you imagine
not having the protection of your car roof? You're just
open scary stuff. It began flying in circles overhead. He
stepped on the gas but continued doing it, but the

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creature continued during circles even though he had sped up
to seventy five miles per hour. So this car is
speeding along at seventy five miles per hour and the
mothman is still doing its lazy sorting around him. I
can't even imagine the physics to get that one done. Wow, yeah,

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he reported to the point pleasant sheriff's office. He drove
straight to the sheriff's office, just like the first couples did,
and while he was there he gave his report. And
he said, while it was flying over his car, the
wingspan was so great. He estimated that it was about
ten feet the wingspan, So it kind of gives you
an idea if it was around seven foot tall and

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it had a wingspan of ten feet. Yeah, it's pretty
good stuff. Yeah. November twenty six, in the evening, Ruth
Foster saw the creature out out of her front lawn.
She said it was tall, with big red eyes that
popped out of its face. She said it had a

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funny looking little face, but no beak. It is noted
that Ruth Foster is the first one to have claimed
to have actually seen what its face looked like. All
the previous ones when they asked, you know what it
was its face shape or you know, its mouth, and
no one could ever say because they were just so
hypnotized by those two red eyes. Yeah, she's the first one.

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And she said that she actually stood there for quite
a long time really looking at this thing. So apparently
its hypnotic eyes didn't have any kind of effect on
her for some reason. Interesting to find out more about that,
to find out why, if she had something particular going on,
or I don't know, I just think that one's interesting.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Well, there is a certain percentage of any population that
is immune to certain diseases, certain effects medications, you know,
so she might have just been that lucky person.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Who was immune to hypnotization and some people can't be hitting.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
At time, that's true.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Excuse me, Okay, moving on November twenty seventh. We're moving
on up through here, getting into December now. In the
morning of November twenty seventh, a lady named Connie Carpenter
was chased by a gray winged phantom just on the
side of the golf course in the rural area there,

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so gray winged phantom, That's how she explained it. That evening,
Sheila Caine, who was thirteen at the time, and her
younger sister were out walking along near the TNT area.
Why their parents were letting them do this, I have
no idea. But they were walking home and they saw

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what they called an enormous something. That was what they
called it, the enormous something. It was standing by the junkyard.
It was gray and white with big red eyes, seven
feet tall. They screamed and ran home, and unfortunately it
flew up into the air and chased them part of

(30:43):
that way home. Poor kids. Yeah, parents were calling the
sheriff's office right away, and I'm sure they did not
let their girls walk home past the area.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Again, I am sure they did not want to walk at.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
Yes, Lily, Yeah, I would.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah, I can't imagine why you would be letting your
kids out walking around with all that going on, Even
if you didn't think it was true, there had to
have been tons of people going out there just to
be lookie lures. Probably not a safe idea for kids
to just be walking along that road. So now we're
going to get into December. December fourth, five men witnessed

(31:24):
a large wing creature flying above the Ohio River just
behind the airport. It was established later on that it
was flying at about three hundred feet up in the
air and going about seventy miles per hour because there
was planes taking on and off, and a few of
those gentlemen were actually pilots, so they were fairly good

(31:45):
at estimating how fast that thing was going. They also
made mention that it was strangely odd that whatever this
thing was didn't flap its wings, So it was going
seventy miles per hour following an airplane. Could you imagine
the drag coming off the back of that airplane and
it still didn't have to flap its wings. So that's insanity.

(32:11):
So now I'm going to get up into December seventh. Now,
mind you, I'm skipping a lot of sightings because they
were just little one offs, like I saw this weird
bird thing. December seventh is when John Keel's going to
start getting involved. He'd gotten in there the day before
to interview the sheriff and the two first couples that

(32:31):
had witnessed that that I was talking about out in
their chevy, and he managed to convince them to go
back out to the tea interior with him and kind
of show him around and kind of go over how
it happened, and they did, although some of that. One
of the ladies was pretty worse for wear at the time.

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She had suffered the worst of it she had. Her
eyes were still very swollen, and she still had a
lot of the rash and she was still a little
bit swollen, but she willingly went out to show him.
And unfortunately, while they were out there showing him the
bunkers and the igloos and things like that, they claimed
to have spotted him again. All four of them said

(33:14):
they were seeing glowing red eyes. John Keelee himself didn't
see the eyes, but he did later on spot the
shadow of something that looked extraordinarily tall and dark, kind
of slip off into the wooded area behind the T
and T plant there, and something really crazy happened when

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they all spotted the shadow. One of them noticed that
Mary Mollette's ear was bleeding heavily from the inside and
she actually had to be taken off to the doctor.
So now we're starting to get like really big physical
stuff going on with it. And that was reported later
on people suffered from blood coming out of their eyes

(33:57):
and their ears, and yet again that can be another
their situation of radiation poisoning.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, all of that.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
So I'm gonna skip a little bit because we just
have there's just more and more and more and more
sightings over there was lots. Yeah, and mind you, I
will say this, and I'm a little I'm a little
on it. At this time, there was mofman sightings all
the way from Kentucky, uh, all the way through Virginia, Michigan.

(34:30):
There had been some sightings in New York and I
think all the way over into California too, all the
same time. So but I want you to take that
with a grain assault because I mean, they could have
been legit sightings, but they also could have been people
who just wanted to be a part of the crazy.
So it's really hard to pick and choose on those,

(34:51):
so I just I just take them with a grain assault.
So we're coming up here to the Silverbridge collapse, which
happened on December fifteenth, And like I said, if you've
watched Mothman prophecies, you know all about that. In the movie,
they allude to Mothman being like a harbinger, like a

(35:16):
bad omen that this Silverbridge thing was gonna happen. I
don't particularly think that's a case. I rather think the Silverbridge,
while maybe it wasn't it didn't even come down because
of this, but a lot of people had weird dreams
and nightmares that included Mothman and indried Cold in them

(35:36):
that alluded to the bridge collapsing. I think the bridge
was probably meant to collapse because there was a really
bad girder that had a stress crack in it. It
was gonna go down regardless if this Mothman thing was
going on. But I think that with all the high
strangeness and the weirdness that was going on in the area,

(35:57):
I think it just became a symptom to have pre
cognitive dreams, and because that was something big getting ready
to happen. It was included there were dreams about someone
saw Christmas packages in the water in their dream, and
that came true later when the bridge fell. It was
right before Christmas time, people are out doing their Christmas shopping.

(36:20):
Forty six people actually died that night. I don't remember
how many cars went off that bridge into that freezing
cold water. There was actually two bodies that were never
even recovered. They lost too. They never found. Terrible thing
and it was a stress fracture in a eyebar. I

(36:44):
think it's what it's called an eyebar. It was an
eyebar failure that took it down. John Keel actually makes
mens in him. He had a lot of precognitive stuff
going on, but it ended up pointing him in the
wrong direction. Every time. It was like a fake out.
It would, you know, he would think, oh, this building's
going to explode, and the building wouldn't explode, and he'd

(37:07):
sound like an absolute idiot. But like that same day,
something would happen elsewhere that was huge. It was like
a he was getting wrong information fed to him.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
What was it bait and switch again, It seems.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Like basically yeah, So it starts to the mothman sightings
start to edge off from there, and that's I think
another reason why they assumed that the culmination must have
bid the bridge collapse. But little do they talk about
is that the mothman didn't stop. It just spread to

(37:45):
other places, little clusters of this and that. But they
called it different things in different places too, So you
kind of have to do like this mystery map where
you kind of follow it. Where did he pop up? Yeah, exactly.

(38:06):
And I believe that they thought it was all Silverbridge
stuff because of the Chief corn Stock curse.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
I would agree, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Do you guys want to do you? Do you guys
want to tell him about the Chief Cornstock Curse? Do
you know enough about it to talk about it?

Speaker 5 (38:27):
I don't remember enough about it.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
That's my problem too. I know he was tied in
with mammoth caves. Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, so Chief corn Stock uh was the chief of
Holy Cow Cherokees that you're a boy and what I
can't remember which other Indian group down there AnyWho.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
He was.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
So he was chief during the time that the English
the white people were moving into the area and forts
were being set up, and he was very much against this,
constantly was fighting and battling against the people coming in

(39:20):
and setting up these forts and stuff. And at one
point they finally tried to set up like a treaty
with him, you know, let's live peacefully. We'll give you this,
we'll split it, and all this other stuff. And he
went in to make this treaty and it didn't go right,
and basically they annihilated most of the Indians. They did

(39:44):
keep him kind of, they kept him kind of tied
up there for a little bit, and before they ended
up killing him, he put a curse on the land,
supposedly basically saying nothing that the white man is going
to build hair will work. Your land is going to fail,
and it's cursed forever, and one day you're all gonna

(40:07):
get it. And so a lot of people assume that
maybe the Mothman figure was kind of this curse come
to meet and bone that it was like Chief Cornstock
coming back and sending this thing from Hell out to
unleash on the people of this area. So whether I

(40:32):
believe that or not, I don't know. And one day
we should do a story on Chief Cornstock, because he
has a figure actually, yes, his own.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
Pops up at a lot of our ancient American things. Yes,
so many things that are tied in or not mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah. So if you talk Chief Cornstock, then you start
getting into the annals of Kentucky, the supposed super tall
white men with blonde hair and blue eyes that lived
in the caves that the Indians were actually scared of
because they were the ancient ancients. They were the ones

(41:16):
that had been there first, like long ago, and apparently
they came out of the caves and some of the
Indian tribes married into them, and supposedly Chief Cornstock is
one of these descendants of them. And in a lot
of the tribes he wasn't called chief, he was called king,
and he his wife was the queen, and his daughter

(41:37):
was the princess, which absolutely makes no sense with Indian culture.
That only happens at Powell's when they want to, you know,
throw a crown on, you know, one of the younger girls.
We'll call her our princess. That's not really a part
of Indian stuff. So, and they've found his name in

(41:57):
caves where they found out that these very old Indian
tribes were doing their old gold mining. How often do
you hear about Indians having you know, precious gold.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yeah, so not North America, no, no, very wrapped up.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
In the hell You're project too. If any of you
at home know what that is. With Greg and Dana Newkirk.
They found very odd chief Cornstock stuff that went along
with hellier things and the Cave and the Kentucky Goblins
and crazy stuff. So yeah, he's his own show.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 6 (42:39):
We need to write that down, Yeah, yes, we do.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Yeah. So that is the basis for the Mothman that
you know from Gray Barker and John Keell's book and
the Mothman prophecies the movie. Read them all, watch the movie.
It's one of my favorite movies. We were talking backstage
about the movie. They of course can't touch on every

(43:06):
little thing, but I think it does a very good
job of following along with John Keel's book and the oddities.
They kind of allude to all the oddities in little
short ways, so you kind of get the the high
strangeness that is really involved with all of this. But seriously,
read John Keel's book because you'll come out of a
changed person. You'll be like, wow, what was that about?

Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah something I just read?

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Yeah, all sorts of stuff like little things like when
he went out with the couples back out to the
T and T area to have them show him exactly
what happened. Another oddity that happened while they were out there.
As they were leaving, they hit a spot in the
road where John Keel said that everybody just kind of changed.

(43:56):
It got very strange, It got very pressury feeling, and
he said his heart beat when a mile a minute,
and he felt just extraordinarily scared for some reason. He
couldn't explain why. And they drove for just a little
bit and then suddenly they didn't feel anymore. They felt okay,
and he kind of wondered what that was all about.
So he actually turned the car back around and drove back,

(44:18):
and when they hit that spot again, it was right
back again, and they ended up. He parked the car
and he got out and he walked into that area
they drove, and he felt it again, and he actually
felt the line. He could walk across it and feel
horribly scared all of a sudden, and then walk back
out of it and feel perfectly fine. He actually called

(44:40):
it the weird zone or something, or the zone of
fear is what he called it. And it was only
there for that one night. He came back the next
day to test it again and it didn't happen. So
just super strange. And that's an OZ effect. If I
ever heard one, I wonder because mo if mofman was

(45:01):
out there and they had the UFO activity going on,
if he wasn't in some area of high strangeness that
was kind of open.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
We've talked about that before when I had my UFO
sighting and I was talking to you on the phone, Pam,
and then all of a sudden, I was just scared
out of my mind, and for the first time as
a paranormal investigator, I ran and locked my door and
was closing on my windows and locking them.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
I gotta go to zoom zoom.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Yeah, that weird OZ effect or whatever that is.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
We've we've likened it too. I know I use this
every time we talk about it is like police cars
that have the rumble effect. You know, like if they're
behind you and you don't see him, they'll hit that
rumble and it just goes through your soul, you know,
it just jargs you. It's just like, oh, you know,
all of a sudden, out of the blue, It's kind
of like it. It's like a sending feeling the intense

(46:02):
fear to make a person go away kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yeah, like it's trying to, you know, scay out of
its way, out of its path or something I don't.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Know, trying to make you uncomfortable to leave, and that
effect can actually be reproduced with sonics, so.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
I could see.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I'm not sure about the sharp line, but uh, you know,
we use a sonic deterrence to make people feel uncomfortable
so they'll stay away from embassy gates or or what
have you. So why not makes perfect sense? I mean

(46:48):
this could we can duplicate something very similar to that
that some creature might be able to do it psychically
or technologically.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
I mean it may make sense. I mean, we can
do it now.

Speaker 6 (47:03):
It does. Interesting.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
So I snagged up I couldn't find I couldn't find
my uh Gray Barker book unfortunately, to show you guys,
it's lost somewhere in the piles. But yeah, John keel
Mofman Prophecies, absolutely read it, holy Cow, and and then

(47:30):
read it one more time because you will not be
able to process all of it. I've read this well.
I can't tell you how many times I've read it,
and once in a while I still find a new connection,
Like I'm like, oh, I wonder if that belongs with that,
you know, I still am making connections with it. The movie.

(47:53):
I pulled that out soe you guys absolutely get it.
It's one of my favorites. And I was telling them,
you know, ar hasn't actually seen it. It's not like gory,
scary or anything. It's very psychological and it's just super
interesting all of the weirdness happening. I thought Richard gear
actually did a fantastic job. He's really kind of there. Really,

(48:16):
he's really supposed to be kind of the John Keele.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Character.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
John Keel wishes he was as good looking as Richard Gere,
I think.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
But I mean, yeah, they always make people look way
better than they do in reality.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
That's true. That's a very good point.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Another really good one to get, And this is good
to get even if you're not interested in Mothman. This
one's just has so much information Linda S. Godfrey's American Monsters, Yes, fantastic,
and it does have an entire section on Mofman in there,
and you kind of get some of her feelings on
the situation. Too, always good to have other point of views.

(49:05):
And then of course we need to talk about, you know,
Mothman's movement, so it's not just a West Virginia thing
like Mark was talking about earlier, huge explosion of Mothman
sightings in the Chicago area and still to this day.
It started in twenty and seventeen is when it really

(49:27):
took off, and it's still going pretty heavy.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Early around the airport, Yes.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
The airport. I did look up some statistics and apparently
just in two set thousand and seventeen alone, there were
over forty reported sightings of the Mothman in Chicago, and
those are the ones that were reported. You all have
watched the show long enough to remember. We call it

(49:55):
the Brian Tarrell effect. He always discusses because he's bigfoot
and cryptids. For every for every ten sightings, only one
is ever reported. Yeah, so whenever you hear a report,
usually you can times it by ten. So if there

(50:15):
were forty sightings reported in Chicago just in twenty seventeen,
then we're talking probably about four hundred sightings.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Yeah, So I mean there's a lot of look at
that area.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
And they're widespread, they're not you know, there's some that
are clustered.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
But.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Yeah, then you get over here. There's some in Michigan. Yeah,
just across the lake. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
One of the interesting ones I had read. It's been
a number of years ago, but I thought it was
so interesting. One of the Mothman sightings inside of Chicago
that wasn't the airport. There was a lady who was
walking to her apartment at night in a little residential
area and there was a park on one side of
her and the buildings that she was walking on the

(51:09):
sidewalk by, and she looked off towards the park because
something odd caught her eye, and there was a park light,
and in front of it was one of those kind
of old fashioned decorative light posts, you know, with the
big light sitting on top of it, and the light
wasn't on, and it just caught her eye because you know,

(51:31):
you're used to, you know, in your usual spot things
that are lit up at night are suddenly aren't lit up.
You notice that, And she looked over and she realized
that it wasn't that the light was out, is that
it was blocked. And she started really looking and realized
that there was this huge shadow on top of that
light post where the light should be, and when she

(51:52):
finally got focused in on it, this thing, which she
thought was just as a globular shadow, wings came out
from it and it stood up and stretched up, and
she said it was about seven feet tall. And she
said it took off from the post straight up into
the sky and she watched it disappear. And it never

(52:13):
flapped its wings either. But could you imagine that just
kind of coming out of the shadows and just taking
off like that?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
You know.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
You know Adrian that I do am podcast paranormal him
and his wife Tina had a sighting and it's been
clear a few years ago. They didn't call it a mothman,
but they called it a winged creature and it was
in I want to I'm going to say it was
in Muskogee, Oklahoma. I could be wrong on the town,
but it was in southeast Oklahoma where it happened. And

(52:47):
you know, so there's sightings like that that they don't
you know, they didn't necessarily contribute to mothman, very similar
to mothmare.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yeah, it does seem quite a widespread phenomenon, whatever it's called.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah, yeah, Inzo said. Compared to the book it wasn't
weird enough. Yeah, But I mean, could you imagine how
long that movie would be to try to pack in
all of that stuff.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Hours later?

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Yeah, and make it like reasonable enough for you to understand.
Because one of the things I like about Keel's book
is that he's not just focusing on the Mothman part
of the story. He's literally trying to bring in all
these different elements. And he tells you, you know, I

(53:44):
don't know if one has to do with the other,
but the fact that it's all happening all at the
same time, so close to the same area, there has
to be something.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Together.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Yeah, there absolutely has to be something going on. And
I really think this is where John Keel got to
the part where we always laugh and joke about don't
kill yourself. Don't John keell yourself. Because he went so
overboard later on in his life, I think he just
lived in high strangeness for the rest of his life.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
I think it drove him mad.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
I think it did too. Yeah, there was a it's
horrifying to think if if he wasn't crazy, what was
actually happening.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Yeah, if you are all interested in that, there was
a very good book written about him, I'll have to
go and see if I can't find it. All my
bookshelves to tell you who it's by. But it delves
into Mothman and all of his other books that he wrote,
and his life of high strangeness afterwards, being contacted by

(54:49):
supposed star people and the constant phone calls with weird
buzzings and ringings on the other side, and things happening
like he one day got a phone call from a
gentleman who he had been very good friends with and
had not seen in years. And this guy called him
up and was like, Hey, come visit me. I'm living

(55:13):
here at this place now if you get a chance
to come by and we'll just sit down and have
a good old sit down and chit chat. And he
was so excited because he really liked this guy. And
he showed up and they sat down and they had
They stayed up until the early morning hours, just talking
about old times and having coffee and cake and just

(55:34):
having a great time. And he left there feeling great
and you know, I'll call you later and we'll get
together and do this again. Absolutely tried to get a
hold of him again later on, couldn't get a hold
of him, couldn't couldn't find him, couldn't no whisper of
him whatsoever. And he ended up a little bit later
running onto this guy's wife and he was like, oh, hey,

(55:59):
you know how, how's your husband? I can't get a
hold of him. And she just looked at him so funny,
and she was like, honey, he died years ago. Years
and years ago. He died. She was like, I've been
a widow. So he literally got contacted by a friend
who was dead, spent an entire night up talking about

(56:19):
good old times with him. Come to find out he
hadn't even been alive. So who the heck was he
talking to?

Speaker 6 (56:25):
Exactly? Who would have known enough about him to be
able to hold this conversation exactly hours and no details
not raising suspicion from a researcher.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Yeah, who knows. Also, he wrote a lot for magazines
and you know, sci fi publications and things like that.
He would write in the stories he knew and stuff,
and he was having issues with that. Somebody was getting

(57:00):
those through the mail, stopping them from going where they
were supposed to and changing the wording in some of
it sometimes or taking stuff out and then sending it
back along it's on the way, or it would get
returned to him years later having never been actually sent,
and it would have new information added into it. Just
there's so much more than that. But if you're ever

(57:23):
interested in just how weird high strangeness can get read
about Sean Keel.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
It's like something was just mess up with him, just
trying to drive him nuts.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
You know. Yeah, I think it worked.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
I think it did too. But what was the reasoning
behind it? Was it to discredit him? More than likely.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Maybe he was on to something. And I mean our
government does it to people. If you come out and
you see something that you shouldn't have, it will come out,
oh these people are crazy there conspiracy.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
That's exactly what he'd did.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
And does the years later it comes out, oh yeah
we really did that, and we drove this guy into
killing himself ors of them.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
So absolutely, I.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Mean it happens. We know that it happens for real
because our government has admitted to it. I mean, the
term gaslighting comes to.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
Mind big time. And there's a movie out there, actually
it's a documentary and it's called Mirage Men, and it's
so good and it hits so close to home when
it comes to the idea of being gas lit, to
be made to think that you're absolutely insane, and to

(58:43):
drive people insane because they absolutely have done that. Yeah,
but it's it's a fascinating documentary. I would I would.
I would encourage anybody to watch it because it's really
really interesting.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
So I mean, and private citizens people do to each
other all the time.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I mean, it's not implausible to think that somebody intentionally
send him over the edge.

Speaker 6 (59:17):
More than likely he did. But you know, it's just
sad that to think that they took someone that that's
so interested in this stuff, and just I mean, I
know they did it because obviously he was onto something,
but what was that something. I think by the end
of his life it was so convoluted to what it could.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Be at that point.

Speaker 6 (59:38):
Yeah, I don't think I think you're right. I think
it had.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
And that's the point. People do that to each other.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Oh good found it.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Yeah. So this one is called John Keel, The Man,
the Miss and the Ongoing Mysteries by Brent Rains Right there, nice,
super interesting. This dude takes a really deep dive into
John Keele's life and all the strangeness the high stranges
and the mysteries that go along with it, and also

(01:00:11):
does a great deal on his death. So for those
of you who don't know a lot about John Keel,
while his lifetime was extraordinarily mysterious and weird, his death
was also extraordinarily mysterious and weird. He died fairly suddenly
and was whisked away very quickly and buried.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
And then when.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
The people who were supposed to receive his stuff came
showed up to his apartment to start, you know, sorting
through everything and getting it broken down, they realized that
most of his spiles and most of his recordings, which
he had dozens and dozens and dozens of boxes and
boxes full of real to real recordings and things like that,

(01:01:00):
all of that was gone, just vanished.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
When they left her house thirteen wherever it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Is, Yeah, never found. They don't know where any of
it went. And I don't believe he had much family
left either, so I think it was friends that ended
up was coming in to clean it out and just gone.

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Fantastic book though, so so much stuff you don't even
hear about the books.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
So nice. The book's on sell now on Amazon. John
They Kill the Man, The Myths and the Ongoing Mysteries
by Brent Rains for sixteen dollars and thirteen cents.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Speaking of Amazon, you can buy The Mothman Prophecies for
thirteen dollars for a softback, or if you have Kindle Unlimited,
you can read it for free.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
I checked earlier.

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
It's an excellent it truly is. I know Jess said
it earlier, and Marcus heid it too. It's an excellent book,
excellent read, one that if you have any interest in
the subject at all, you will return to again and
again and hit different points in it. I know mine.
You saw Jess's copy. It's got all the a little
uh tags edit everywhere. Mine is the same way.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
So also interestingly, I just I haven't had this book
out in a little while, and I just read one
of the tags inside. This is some of the cheshire
Cat stories that we talk about. Oh oh yeah, yeah yeah.
She recalled another strange incident. I was coming down my

(01:02:46):
stairs into the living room. It was in the summer,
and the light was bright, as my house is on
top of a mountain and is designed to maximize the
view in the light. I was two thirds of the
way from the bottom of the stairs when coming towards
me was this very stream, nasty looking animal. It was
about the size of a large tom cat, with a
bushy tail and stripes about three and a half inches wide.

(01:03:08):
Of the oddest colors a yellowish greenish alternating with a
brownish purple.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Yeah, that seems disturbing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
You might construe the animal as some kind of a cat,
except for the head and teeth. It had rounded, small
ears set too close together, and the head was narrow
with a rounded stout and many mani needle like teeth.
The mouth was open and not at all friendly looking.
It came at me as it did, or it came
at me and as if it did not see me,

(01:03:40):
and went between my legs and up the stairs. I
turned to stare at it, and it reached the top
of the stairs and vanished. It made a popping sound
and then it was gone. And we find this with
these Cheshire stories that a lot they kind of walked
through like a chess Shire cat would on a Disney movie,
and then they disappear, they go, and it always happens

(01:04:02):
right after a major UFO sighting, And this was after
a major UFO siding. In Brazil. We've talked about this before.
There's actually two or three other sightings of the strange
Cheshire cat all around Brazil after the I think it
was in Rio de Janio up on one of the
mountains is where it was a UFO siding and it

(01:04:24):
went into the side of the mountain like the mountain
absorbed it. So yeah, any who, super fascinating book. Another
one I would recommend if you're interested in John Keel.
He wrote another one called Our Haunted Planet, and this
one contains a lot of his theories on how things work,

(01:04:48):
the paranormal and cryptids and high strangeness and missing time.
A lot of that of his views are in here,
and he has some extraordinary thoughts on the matter. I
don't think they're all true. He would kind of go
off in the weeds, I think sometimes on particular topics,
but his thought process is so very interesting and it'll

(01:05:09):
kind of give you an idea on kind of like
the weird stuff that he was dealing with.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Yes on Amazon.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
I also I think if i'm I might be wrong,
but I think this is the one that alludes to
the tin can that they picked up in Helly.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
Is it that one or is it the U It
might be that one. Yeah, I can't think of the
title of mine. It's back on my bookshell.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Hang on, we're we're all reading our book shows we are.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Yeah, So for years of that. For those of you
who don't know, the Hell You're series put on by
Greg and Dana Nwkirk. If you haven't seen it, watch it.
It's extraordinarily interesting. It's basically they go looking for goblins
in Kentucky because they got sent some really weird cryptic

(01:06:06):
emails and they kind of go on the hunt and
it's actually their adventure of high strangeness. Weird things and
synchronicities keep happening to them all the way and it
kind of leads them on this strange little journey. Super interesting.
But in one of the scenes they ended up going
to these caves and the night before they had done
some est session stuff and when they were doing this,

(01:06:32):
Connor Randall, I believe, was the one that was having
the micro had the headphones on, was saying everything that
was being heard, and he kept saying he was seeing
this tin can and he explained it very well, and
he said he could picture it in his mind what
he was seeing. And the next night they ended up
this cave system and he found that exact tin can

(01:06:54):
in there, and oddly enough, with the synchronicities happening and stuff.
Later on, after they were back home, he said he
was over at Greg and Dana's house and they have
a very large collection of paranormal style books and he
was just kind of poking through him because he was bored,
and he found a John Keeln book in there that

(01:07:15):
he had never seen before and thought, oh, well, I'll
crack this open, maybe this will be interesting, and he
just splipped to the middle of the book and started reading,
and right there was John Kill's description of high strangeness
being like finding a tin can, is how he explained it,

(01:07:36):
and it just hit home with him. He was like,
oh my god, I found the tin can literally, so
I believe I think it's in our haunted planet. I
might be wrong. I have several of his books. I
just grabbed this one because it had great stuff on
kind of how he thinks, Yeah, we've completely left Mothman behind.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
On John Keel, you can't really discuss moth Man without
talking about John Keele.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I don't think it's is it? This one?

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
The big blackout. Maybe yeah, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
For some reason, and I don't have it marked in here.
If it is, but that's not surprising, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Let me go grab my copy because I'll probably have
it marked.

Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
Out in the weeds, y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I mean, and that's the beauty of this show is
we do get out in the weeds and kind of
the whole idea of the show just talk about this
while she's getting her book. The whole idea of this
show is to get you the public interested in what
we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
Do your own research, read the books, Read all the books,
Read all the books.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
I am trying to prove that Kendall Unlimited actually has
a limit. So or I failed, But it's not for
lack of trying or ever.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
End Everyone's good too. They have some of the really off.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Afraid of starting a new book provider E book provider
because I am afraid I will have to quit all
my work and I'll just become a hermit.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
More books, books? Have you? Have you seen the book Goblin?

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Get get get on get on Facebook and look at
the book Goblin. I mean we kind of I identify
with book Goblin.

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Books I've not read that lady, any of that lady's books.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
But I love the book Goblin so funny.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
I'm digging while you're talking. I'm digging through my online
books too, you find any.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Of We have often talked about starting a paranormal library.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
We have we have, I don't know if we ever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
If we do, it's probably going to be like one
of those portable offices on wheels.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
But then we could take it from downtown.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
How fun would that be?

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
That would be kind of fun. One that would be
so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Yeah, yeah, Chris is new. I'll never see you or
talk to again. Well, I mean that that's what would
happen if I got more than one book provider.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
It's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
But as soon as I get home and eat, I
read most of the evening until it's time for me.
Of course, most of my evening is not very long.
I generally go to bed at seven o'clock because I
get up at three am.

Speaker 6 (01:11:09):
Yeah that's rough man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Yeah, we got another book provider, so I'm going.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Just for my family's sake.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
I will not get another book provider.

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
Though, if you ever decide that you want one, go
with Everend. It used to be just scribbed and now
it's called Everend and it is the best. They have
the best weird books. If you're looking for the weird
ones that you can't find anywhere else, that's an excellent
place to search for them.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
Out I's a scribbed app. Is it still work or is.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
It mostly documents now?

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
And then everyone it's the same thing if you have
a scribbed, if you have a subscription, it includes everand Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
I didn't find it. I don't know where my copy is.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
I don't know where my mind is.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
So I mean, I'm like digging through my online books
cute to see if I can find it in there.
It's somewhere, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
I have piles of books everywhere I get like, I
have a habit of if I find it a little topic,
something new I want to look at, but I think
I might have books relating to it. I'll compile those
books into a pile with that notebook, and then when
I get to it, I kind of have it all there,
and I'm sure it's probably in one of those piles

(01:12:44):
around my house.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
It's yeah, I that I have piles. Yeah, I do that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
I'll put them on bookshelf in certain you know sections
where I've been researchers in specific and then they end
up all over the place by the end of it.
I'm surprised. I don't know where anything is at this
point because I maybe one of my bookshelves, and so
I had to take everything off and put it back on,
and I was in a hurry, so I didn't put
it in the order it was in originally.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
So yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
As a library, and that makes my teeth.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
I'm getting getting ready to expand my bookshelf so I
can get all my collection out of boxes, off the floor,
off my end tables. I'm want to spend like three
hundred dollars on freaking bookshelves.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
Hey, there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
I'd rather spend three hundred dollars on books.

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
Oh that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Well I already have. That's I think.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
How great to look on the shelf and you'll be
able to find them all.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Yes, I need to read them all. I have a
huge pile of books. I haven't even read it. Same
I have got a whole bunch of uh uh stuff
for a forbidden history and and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Uh, and I haven't touched him.

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
I just live there like that thick.

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
It happens, and what do justin?

Speaker 7 (01:14:27):
I do?

Speaker 6 (01:14:27):
We went this weekend and we added to our piles
of TV reds.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Speaking of bridges, I mean, poor Pam the longest bridge
in Kentucky.

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
Literally the longest bridge in Yeah, and I'm I'm if
you know me, you know I am terrified of bridges
and heights. And if you put the longest very tall
bridge together, me driving over it and poor just in
the passenger seat trying to talk me through.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
It while she cussed like a sailor, like a sailor.

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
It was terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
My ears were burning.

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
They're probably still red.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
In some words. Did you.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
Did?

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
I did?

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
I couldn't even tell you. I was just like freaking out.
Here's here. I pulled up a couple of pictures to
show you. Mark. Here's one a well, this is the
longest over the Ohio.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
Good lord?

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
Oh yeah, yeah? Are you seeing my terror?

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
There's what in the Silver Bridge look a lot like that?

Speaker 6 (01:15:49):
Uh huh, yes, sir, it does.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Oh let's just hit that with a barge and see
what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
I'm just like no, And this one wasn't the scariest,
the scariest of them. We switched screens this one. Look
at this monster. It wasn't as long, but it was
way taller. Oh am, I not showing it. Oh sorry,
I'm sitting here thinking y'all can see it. Mm hm whoops.

(01:16:23):
Pray that again. There we go. That was pleasant, No,
not pleasant, not a bit. See how it goes up
that it curves.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
How those high water marks were on there? Yeah, that's no.

Speaker 6 (01:16:43):
Okay, you want to hear the funniest part of all this.
So we're going over this and number one I should
have I've should obviously that we're going to cross some
bridges coming from Missouri into Kentucky, and you know, you
go through Illinois on the way, you're going to cross
the bridges, right, So I'm not thinking anything of it.
I can handle a normal bridge. But we get onto
these and I don't see this one coming until we

(01:17:05):
come around the curve and there it is, and I'm like,
oh shit, shit, you know, it just is like what
oh god? You know, Oh that's scary, and uh so
you know, we're going over this and I'm white knuckling
it the whole way, and uh we get over this one,
we go around another curve and then there's this other
bridge that's even bigger and longer, and I'm just she's right.

(01:17:29):
I was cussing a blue streak, just freaking out, and.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
Zo says, that looks quite pleasant, right.

Speaker 6 (01:17:39):
But we came in front of it and we pull
into Whitecliffe, Kentucky, and there's you go round this curve
and there's like these Indian mounds and stuff. And I
was like, wait a minute, I've been here before, and
Jess was like, really you haven't. I was like, this
looks extremely familiar. I think I have. So when we

(01:18:02):
were in our hotel that night, I pulled up where
I had gone to I think it was Kingsport, Tennessee
a few years ago for a funeral with a friend,
and it was We had been there, but at the
time these bridges there, there was a really bad flood
and these bridges there was water up to the edges
of the roads, you know, coming up to them and

(01:18:24):
coming off of them. So yeah, Ken, I would have
made your ears burst into flames. I passed a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
O.

Speaker 6 (01:18:37):
This was great. She was a trooper. She talked me
through it. I did.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
She did.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
I was like, just calm down, just breever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
She did not.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
She's like, oh, you're doing great. Just you know, meat breaths.
You got this, We're doing great.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
So we don't really bring this up, but this is
a paranormal subject. So when making a road trip for
any kind of purpose, please pick someone to drive who
is not afraid of bridges narrow roads.

Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
I offered.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
I was like, do you want me to drive? And
she's like she was like, hell no, I'll be even
worse off if I'm not the one driving.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
And I was like, okay, I always love those mountains
where the white line is six inches from a five
hundred foot drop.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
You know, oh yeah, yeah, that's just scary, man. But
you know, the most of the way there, it wasn't
bad at all. We were in Missouri in the hills,
but we went right through well, I guess we kind
of scarted the edge of Mark Twain National Forest and
you know, there were some decent hills and stuff, but
nothing scary. Not until we came around that curve and

(01:20:01):
there was that bridge.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Pam's nemesis or mimes, because there was two.

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
You should have saw me. I was like, okay, we
did it. We came around the curves.

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
Set up a bitch.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
There's another one. It was actually pretty funny. We had
to turn we had to go off the road to
go to the next one, and she goes, oh my gosh,
look at that one. Oh god, we're not turning there,
are we We're not turning there? And she looked out
at the GPS and she goes, shit, we are.

Speaker 6 (01:20:33):
I was like, we were like twenty miles from our destination.
I'm like, we could turn around and go home.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
I kind of wish like somebody was recording the both
of us because it had to have been comical because
she was losing her shit and I had my phone up.
I was like, I was taken pictures.

Speaker 6 (01:20:52):
I was like, cool, look at this bridge.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
And she was just like I like this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Oh like this, And.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
I was like, and I know it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
She's like smile, so I'm sure there's.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
She wouldn't look at the camera so I could take
a picture of her because I was like, congratulations, and
she was just straightforward, just fuming, like.

Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
Yeah, white knuckle in. It can't ask was that the
old bridges to Kentucky Lake And damn no, it was not.
It's the bridges that what was it called the Cairo
Cairo Kentucky Bridge.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
One went over the Mississippi and one went over the Ohio, Ohio.

Speaker 6 (01:21:33):
Right by White Kentucky. Yeah, yeah, rough, and it truly
the Cairo Hurry Ridge, Cairo something bridge. But oh it's
the Cairo Mississippi River bridge is what it is. And
it is the longest bridge in Kentucky. And yeah, and
there's like, you know, it's really narrow, and there's like

(01:21:56):
Walmart trucks whizz and bias, and I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Just like, it's a fairly old looking bridge.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
It is. Yeah, in January they were talking about the
plans moving forward to replace that bridge. So yeah, but
on that one, when you get up in the very
middle of it, the second bridge, there's one point where
you hit it and you go up and it almost
feels like it bounces when you hit it. And I
was just like nope, in the corner and there it was,

(01:22:31):
oh yeah, that's pretty much I did get. I don't
think I slowed down too much.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
I was like had to on the first bridge because
there were bumps. There was little platforms that went so
she was like, I don't like the bumps. I don't
like the bumps.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
It did not look like a pleasant place to cross.

Speaker 6 (01:22:53):
I know it was.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
It wasn't It wasn't great, but he looked up to
see if there was a way for us to, you know,
go around it, so I didn't have to do that again.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
There's not it was like what three hours the other Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
Going to be like an extra three hours just to
go around it. So yeah, that was a no go.
Did you want to talk about why we went to
Kentucky real quick?

Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
We have a friend. His name is Pat fitz Hugh,
and he is out of Nashville, Tennessee, and he is
the renowned bell witch expert, and he was giving a
presentation on the bell witch in Paduca, Kentucky. And Jess
actually ran across it first and she was like, oh,

(01:23:41):
you want to go? And I was like, yeah, sure.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
Why not?

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
So that's what we did. We went to Kentucky to
hang out with Pat and his daughter and we had
a great time. We got this is I already had
this one book, but I'll show it just to show
here's his witch, the full account, and then this one
I've tried to get the last two times I've been
around him, and he's been sold out every time. So

(01:24:05):
I grabbed one of these ghostly cries from Dixie, so
super excited. We got to hang out with him and
his daughter Kelly, and we ended up going to dinner
together and close the restaurant down. Actually, yeah, we did nice.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Nice he is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
He is a fascinating individual, and he's promised us that
he's going to come on to one of the podcasts
here and we're going to interview and stuff. Because he
told some stories that I about flipped out on. I'm
not going to tell him here because we're gonna make
him tell these stories when he comes on the podcast,
whether he does this one or does border Town Strange,

(01:24:42):
or maybe we can get him to do both. At
some point, there.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Was at least three times that both of our jaws
hit the table.

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
We could do a combo show.

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Oh yeah, across ever with some special art.

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
Special art and just have a combo show'd be fun. Yeah,
it could be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
Yeah, he's truly interesting and he does way more than
the bell Witch. In fact, he kind of needled at
us a little bit. We were like, you gotta come
on and talk about the Bellwitch, and he was, you know,
I know a whole lot of stuff about other things too,
Like I think he's probably getting a.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Little tired of the bell Witch, but probably.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
We'll certainly have him touch on Bellwitch stuff. But we
promised him he could kind of come up with some
of the stuff that he wanted to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
Sure, yeah, I am totally in if you guys want
to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
Absolutely, and said I'm okay on skinny roads, just not
skinny bridges. Same dude, Nope, not a fan. And we did.
We had a great time. It was fine. It was
a whirlwind trip. We left our house at six o'clock
in the morning on Saturday and we got there at
one fifty one pm, just in time for his presentation

(01:25:55):
to start it too, and then we checked in our hotel,
relaxed for about what thirty forty five minutes, Yeah, and
then went to dinner and yeah, closed the restaurant down,
and then we turned around and headed home the next day.

Speaker 7 (01:26:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:26:11):
It aventure.

Speaker 8 (01:26:14):
Yeah, every time something would happen. Adventure, adventure, I will
say so. The two books that Pam showed, I went
ahead and picked up a set for myself because I
didn't have them, and then I picked up an extra
set that he specially signed, and those are going to
be available as a raffle at the para Con this

(01:26:35):
year September twenty seventh, you can come and throw in
your raffle tickets and get two signed copies of those.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Are you know, a signed copy of each specifically from him.
I think it says like, uh, sweet dreams and like
having hauntings or something like that. Pat fits you. So yeah,
those will be signed and available for raffle at the
para Con this year. So adding to our loot's got some.

Speaker 5 (01:27:03):
We've already started collecting loot.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
I've been getting packages in the mail, driving my wife
crazy with all the stuff coming in.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Uh where this year's para Con should be even better
to go into.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
So yeah, yeah, those are going into some of the
like the the Haunted kit and stuff like that. Oh
and also will give him a little shout out. We
ended up stopping at a little rock shop there in Paduca.
It's kind of like a little metaphysical shop, but they
have a lot of of you know, like the precious
stones and things like that. If you you know, dig

(01:27:46):
on that stuff at all, make your own necklaces and
bracelets and herbs and rings and jewelry and all sorts
of things like that. If you're interested, if you're in
the Paduca area, stop in at the rock shop, run
oh irack handy and check him out. And the gentleman
that runs it is extraordinarily knowledgeable and he will follow

(01:28:09):
you around and let you know everything there is to know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:11):
So, yeah, he knows. He's extremely knowledgeable about everything that
they had. And yeah, really cool guy to talk to.
And his wife's super nice too. They were really really
great people. Yeah, and oh Kin said, hasn't Pat been
researching the Belwich for like forty years? Yeah, in fact,
it might be a little bit longer than that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Yeah. He actually grew up ten minutes away from the site,
so he literally lived there. He lived in it. He
grew up hearing all about it. And I actually I
believe he told us that the reason why he got
into really researching it in his teen years, I think
is when he started in his teen years was because

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everyone blamed it on what was her name, Kate Bats,
Kate Bats. They blamed it on her, and he was sure,
even from the time he was little, that she actually
had nothing to do with it, and it was kind
of his like revenge research for her to try to
prove that she was innocent. That's how he got started

(01:29:16):
on it, so it was kind of a labor of love.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
Yes, his mom got him interested when he was pretty young.
And what was so fun about Saturday being in the crowd.
A lady put her hand up to talk to ask
a question. She's like, Hey, I just want to let
you know we are descendants of Kate Bats And he
was like, I'm so glad you're here, you know, And

(01:29:40):
and he was very gracious, and he's like, you know,
she really got the right end of that deal, and
I'm glad that you're here and that you know that
not everybody feels like, you know, she's the bad person,
because so many people like now in that area. If
anything happened, you know, they don't say the bell Witch

(01:30:01):
did it. They say, oh, old Kate did it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:30:05):
So yeah, he was very gracious and really really made
them feel good about it. So very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Well, I look forward to meeting the gentleman.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Oh, he's nice. You'd love him, Mark. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
If he wasn't, if he was just a little bit closer,
we would totally have him in for a para con.
But as it is, he'd have to fly in and
it's just a little bit expensive to be doing all that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Does he go?

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Maybe one day we'll get lucky and he'll be in there.

Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
Yes, he as far as I know he will be
at He's almost always at the Arkansas Exco, which is
the weekend before Halloween in Little Rock, Arkansas, and I
think he's there again this year.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
Chris and I are talking about going this year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Yay our our thirtieth for our thirtieth anniversary trip. Our
anniversary is October thirty years and it sounds like a
great date.

Speaker 6 (01:31:02):
That'd be fun. Ken said, Yeah, he's awesome. Oh are
you taking off? Have a good night, Ken, Good night, Ken,
thanks for stopping by. And yeah, Pat is awesome. He's
I've I've met him three times now, twice at different
Arkansas I expos and then this weekend. So yeah, great,
great person.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
Sounds like you guys had good time.

Speaker 6 (01:31:24):
We had a blast, you know us and you know music,
and we didn't even have the radio on because we
just yammered at each other the entire way there on
the entire way.

Speaker 5 (01:31:35):
Back, kind of like the show.

Speaker 6 (01:31:37):
Pretty much. We did a lot of podcasts planning and
yeah we did.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Yeah, yeah, you guys are always much more organized on
your show. My show is just kind of off the
cuff in the weeds. I should have called it in
the weeds instead of on.

Speaker 6 (01:31:53):
The yep, in the weeds. That's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
Maybe would be maybe that should be my new U
my new uh uh headline.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Mhm, we're going to change that.

Speaker 6 (01:32:12):
Embrace the weird. There you go too, funny. That'd be
great if fad it over. And I would encourage anybody
if you're in the area or close enough to get there.
The Arkansas Expo is excellent. They've got some really great speakers.
You know you're gonna meet Pat fitz Hugh ken Gearhart

(01:32:35):
is usually there. He's the big fit guy. Robert Swain
is there. He's also a big fit guy. I believe.
Keith Age he's the rock and roll ghost hunter. He's
a producer, excellent guy. Him and his wife are usually there.
Adrian and Tina are there, and there's some other names

(01:32:55):
and they are escaping me at the moment. But there's
a really good lineup of speakers and tons and tons
of vendors and it's just and it's in the Fort
Smith uh uh. It's the not the War Museum. It's
called Military Museum, and it's the most fascinating building, and

(01:33:16):
it's supposedly haunted too, but it's great. It's just a
cool place to be. And you know, there's a lot
of podcasts. We're always there going live with the Muck
and and uh usually Shauna she's on a muck with me.
She's stare going live on her exploring the paranormal perspective.
So great time, all right, he had by all.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Yeah, Well, like we've said, if we get back into
uh moth Man and John Keel and all this stuff,
we could literally go for two or three episodes, but
I think we're to a good wrap up point tonight,
if you yes, so, I'd like to wish everybody a

(01:33:59):
good evening and tune in next Monday or Phyla and
I for what if tomorrow? And on Wednesday night, Uh,
Bordertown Strange. What are you guys going to be talking
about on Bordertown Strange.

Speaker 6 (01:34:16):
It'll be a week from Wednesday. Yep, we are going
to be doing part two of the story out of
telequa Ye agony that remains. Jason Roberts h Er Jason.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Yeah, we had when we did the first part, we
actually was supposed to just be one, but he started
remembering so much information from his time there on the ranch.
He was like, Wow, I didn't realize I could remember
all the stuff. Things just started popping up. So we
decided to parlay it into a second part because I

(01:34:57):
don't know about Alia Hall at home, but Pam and
I were like on the edge of our seat stuff
he was coming up with so truly interesting stuff. So
make sure you catch Bordertown Strange the next Wednesday, a
week from Wednesday, and see the second part. And I
think we had decided the next few ones we're gonna do.

(01:35:17):
I think we're gonna do like a Final Destination style
one after that, you know, true stories of like crazy deaths,
so that'll be weird and yucky but fun. And then
we're going to try to get Pat fits you in
to do an interview and maybe talk a little bit

(01:35:39):
about hauntings and Belwich. And then we're going to try
to do a big, huge, like expose one on hat
Man and all the different ins and outs and theories
on that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
It is extremely fascinating. And I just checked and Part
two on the Agony that Remains with Jason Roberts is
March twenty six.

Speaker 7 (01:36:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
Thanks, so much twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
All right, awesome, all right, Well with that, folks, everybody
have a good night and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 6 (01:36:15):
Not everybody, good night, all right,

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