Nephilim!

Mark, Philip, Pam, and Jess discuss Nephilim, giants, the Book of Enoch, and more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Have you ever wondered what was out there in the
night sky, stared up at the stars in the hopes
of seeing something out of the ordinary. Have you heard
unexplainable noises coming from a vacant room or watched the
shadow across the wall in front of you. Have you
asked yourself if there is life after this one, or
if you had life before? What about strange creatures that

(00:28):
are mythical and elusive? Have you experienced dejeuvu or felt
a prompting to leave because you felt you were in danger.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
If you have, you were on the Fringe.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Welcome another episode of On the Fringe. I'm Mark, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Pam, I'm Jess.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yay, we're imitating this incorporated. I guess I'm the dog. Uh,
we'll blank that out that that's copyright. Uh. Before we

(01:29):
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Now on with the show.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yay, So tonight we're going to be discussing or nepheline.
I've heard it pronounced, so I guess it depends on
what part of the world. We're from, Kansas, so it's
Nephli exactly. So, uh, don't hate us for our pronunciation.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
They know us, They know that we have.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, they've they've ever watched or listened to the show.
They know you're going to butcher the English language everybody else's.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
We could just shorten it and be like the nef them.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
Oh that was a little scary.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
That was That's almost as bad as my face. Oh yeah,
I try that, but I can't. I still cannot get
my sound to come over the soundboard. That worked. Yeah, yeah,

(03:21):
we heard that.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Well try your other one.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Let's try this one.

Speaker 8 (03:28):
Nothing nothing, nothing.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
It doesn't like that one.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
It works. That sucks.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
It. I don't know what the technical issues is. Probably
between it's probably between here.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
That's absolutely what's wrong with my setup.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 8 (03:52):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's the lack of knowledge right here.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
So the Nehlem, I don't know how many we've talked
about this before a little bit, but uh, the Nephilim
are an interesting subject. Uh. They're mentioned in the Holy
writings of several religions, Judaism and Christian Christianity. Ah, I

(04:22):
think they're only mentioned by name once or twice. Then
they talk about the giants. According to the Book of Enoch,
the Nephilim came about when two hundred angels, who were
set to watch over humanity and guide them and uh whatnot,

(04:46):
decided that, hey, human chicks are cool, let's go get married.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
And that was a nice way of putting it.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, it's a family show most of the time.
So they decided to have kids, and the kids ended
up being huge giants that were violent and wicked. So
that is where the Nephelin comes. And Enoch is actually

(05:19):
quoted by name at least once in the Bible and
several times without being what's the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Non canonical, is what is it?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
They've quoted him by by name a couple times in
the Bible, and then they've quoted him a couple of
times without giving him credit.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, so that's where you're going.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, it only stayed in the Ethiopian Church, and it
wasn't wasn't discovered by Western nurse until seventeen hundreds. And
I believe that some of the dead screen Dead Sea
scrolls appear to be from the Book of Enoch, so

(06:08):
that goes back to at least the first century. So
we've got these two hundred angels and they come down
to Earth and they start having babies and things turn nasty.
So God decides to get rid of all the all

(06:30):
the angels and lock them up underground. And then when
the heat the Nephlum have fought amongst each other until
they're almost gone, he has a flood. But then the
giants start appearing. And the giants in the Bible and
throughout history are not nearly as tall as the Nephlum

(06:51):
we're supposed to be. So, but then you start seeing
all these references to giants throughout just pretty much every
region of the world. Uh, And it's pretty interesting. But
if you if you look at this, this is kind

(07:11):
of you know, the story of where these giants giant
bloodlines would have come from. There's allts of go along
with that. A. So, does anybody else have anything else
you want to talk about before I move on?

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, you're talking about giants, and I think it's really
interesting because in different shows we've discussed giants in different
aspects of ancient history or whatever, and there is so
much proof, i mean, actual physical bones of giants in
different regions, even in the United States, that it's really

(07:53):
cool that there's that physical tie in with some of
the books of the Bible, Yeah, in regards to giants,
and there's that background where it goes on back to
the Nephilm.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
From there, Yeah, And the theory being is that even
though the Nephilom were wiped out, they had I guess
human humans inherited some of their DNA and once in
a while it pops back up and you know, you

(08:26):
get giants. The giants. Most people the nephl were like
one hundred meters tall apparently, but the giants throughout history
averaged somewhere around twelve to fifteen, so they're not nearly

(08:47):
that big, but I mean they do appear.

Speaker 8 (08:53):
Go ahead, I was gonna say, there's also current stories
of recent the last few years, especially over in Afghanistan.
You have the Kandahart giant, and up until the last
couple of weeks, I've heard a couple of other stories
from Afghanistan different regions that also had stories of our
troops over there seeing and facing off with giants. Yeah,

(09:17):
and there's it's.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Several places recently have reported giant sightings. Believe someone in Indonesia.
Maybe I want to say, I'm going to Google.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
That Google is our friend.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Google is the best research assistant. Ever, sometimes they're not.
Let's see, there was one spotted in Mexico, and that's
the only recent one I've seen. But so so apparently

(10:00):
there was one spotted in Mexico not too long ago.
I want to say, I saw some video of one,
maybe someplace in Indonesia, someplace. So there are still sightings
to this day. Uh well, let me see what Ian says.

(10:23):
Ian says, Hello, all, let's get into some gigantic Old
Testament fallen sons of God. Absolutely, Ian that that's pretty
much we're going. It's it's fascinating stuff.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
Actually, if you want to get deep into it, it's
actually not the fallen sons of God. They've proved that
wrong the old when they translated out of Hebrew into English,
they did it completely wrong and it actually translated into
not fall at the fallen ones. But there's a causation

(10:59):
in the front of it, so it's supposed to mean
those who fell in battle that type of a situation.
So it wasn't pointing out the fact that they were
cast out of heaven.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
It was pointing out the fact.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
That they were taken on and they fell in battle,
that they took the giants out.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
H Well, it is just a it's pretty fascinating. And
books of Enoch get I mean, when you get through there,
they talk about a solar calendar instead of a lunar calendar.
And for those of you who don't know everything, and
Hebrew is based on a lunar calendar instead of a

(11:40):
solar calendar. Enoch supposedly lived three hundred and sixty five
years and he proposed a three hundred and sixty five
day year, so I mean that number is closely associated
with him. It's really fascinating, and I have a book

(12:03):
I'm gonna share with everybody. It's great. It's got all
the books of Enoch and commentary, so let me see
if I'm smart enough to share.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Ian's got a great point, the fact that it was
translated into Greek.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
First, and as a lot of things are you translate
into Greek and then you translated into English and English.
I'm sorry, it's my native language, which I butchered constantly,
but it steals so much from everybody else. The words

(12:40):
don't mean what you think they mean when you get
down to it sometimes, so.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Especially from one translation to another, you can lose the
original meaning very easily.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, so I do recommend reading this book. I'm only
part way through it, in fact, but it is fascinating.
So if you guys want to jump on the old
Amazon and pick that up. It's not a bad book,
but it's really interesting. And then you start getting into

(13:10):
the conspiracy theories, which will probably cover a little bit.
You know what if they're talking about aliens that came
down and.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's really it's really fascinating subject to me.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
So what I think is interesting is the fact that
the nephilom are actually so widespread through all these different
cultural mythos, different legends and lore from across the world,
kind of like the flood story, right, it wraps itself around,
as does the nephalom, So you know there's something, there's

(13:49):
something story that has to be true or else this
wouldn't fall in so worldwide.

Speaker 8 (13:54):
Like.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
So, I have a little listening here that I did
of some of the ones that I found. I didn't
spend all the time just hunting and hunting, because I'm
sure there's probably hundreds. But the Norse has the same
story with the frost Giants, the Greek do with the Titans.
The Samerians, the Arcadians, the Assyrians, and the Babylonians all

(14:15):
have the Ananaki. Yeah, of course, yeah, the Celts have
the Fomeranian. The Fomorians that the American Paiute of course
had the setaka as in the Lovelock Cave type of ones.
The Egyptians that's his girlfriend, she's gonna be. The Aztecs

(14:40):
had a set, the Mayans had a set of them
uh and are one of our favorite ones. The Kentucky Cherokee, yes, right, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
Have that story too.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
So, I mean, and it goes on and on and on.
We could list them all night. But nearly the exact
same story of some kind of a being that cast
down some of his you know, lackeys that were mating
with the female ladies and having kids and they were like,
you can't do this anymore, and then all heck breaks loose.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
So same story all over the place.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, that's what I find fascinating. So many of these
stories have not only do they exist in the Christian
Bible and the Hebrew Bible, and they also exist in
virtually every culture on the planet. So and they date back,

(15:42):
sometimes even farther and sometimes not as far, but they
always date back somewhere at least as far back as
the stories that we're familiar with.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
Yeah, so all of them go back before or all preflow.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, and you know, you get into this, uh there
there is the theory that they're not talking about ancient
actual giants. I mean, probably bigger than what we're used to,
but not you know, the one hundred meter.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Right, not the thirty five story tall one, Yeah, not
the hundred you know. Uh, think what gravity would do
to them.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I'm not sure how that would work. I don't think
they'd be strong enough to hold themselves up.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
So I'm thinking I wonder if they were more of
still a spiritual being at that point. You know, they
could be that big, they could have that large mass
and not mixed in mixed in.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
With the extreme heights. That seems like they're just being
very fanciful and trying to like just.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
Get their point across.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
Yeah, there were actual, like real sizes of giant giants
placed within the Bible, so I grabbed a couple of them.

Speaker 7 (17:03):
So Goliath, everybody.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
Knows Goliath, Andvid and Goliath. They said that he was
six cubits and a span, and a cubit is roughly
eighteen inches, and a span is roughly nine inches, So
if you add that up, he was around nine foot
nine inches tall. Not taller than the cedars like they

(17:28):
were saying.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, right, definitely bigger than humans, but normal human size.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
But there are some people approaching that size today.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
He was hagrid pretty much. He was haggard sized.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
Yeah. The tallest one I found was og the King
of Bashan out of deuterotomy. If you go and read
through that, they don't talk about his actual size. They
talk about the size.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
Of his bed. Everyone knows.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Yeah, and his his bed was nine cubits in length.
And four cubits in width, so approximately thirteen point five
feet long and.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
Six foot wide.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
So they're guessing if he sat, if he laid on
that bed like an average person would lay on their bed,
he would have been approximately twelve feet.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yes, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, and a lot of the giants that we're talking
around throughout the world are somewhere in the ten to
fifteen foot range. Yeah, so I mean they're big, but
they're not unbelievably big. I saw a photo of a
young woman in a grocery store the other day who
was nine foot tall, So I mean they're out there.

(18:43):
People that tall are out there. They exist.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
And some of the again back to the skeletons that
have been found in the Americas, even some of them
are thirteen fourteen feet so yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, if you can find.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
And no, did it occur in is there evidence of that?
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Now what happens if you have a tribe of people,
you know, even one village full of people who range
from nine to twelve feet tall, You're going to have
absolute mayhem. Everybody's going to be freaked out. They're ogres
or yeah or what have you. So there is definitely
you're going.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
To realize that you're not the biggest fish.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, substance someplace in these stories, and a lot of
people think that not only are they talking about physical size,
these people, creatures whatever are described as heroes, heroes of old,

(19:48):
great ones of old. So I mean, so some of
them were good and some of them were bad, just
like normal people.

Speaker 8 (19:58):
So it's.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Ian says, there is often a kernel of truth and
biblical stories. For instance, the ten Plagues of Egypt were
a result of volcanic eruption in Greece, wrath of God
to some science, to modern eyes. Yeah, and there's there's
something to that too.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
And we also need to always consider the fact that
even like nowadays, back in the day, I'm just using
this as an example, say a group of people see
a UFO in the sky, they don't have the word
ufo to describe what they saw, so they were going
to describe it to the closest thing in their world
that they identify with, and so you know, that gets

(20:43):
passed down as that story, and then later on, you know,
maybe it's recognized as what we see as would be
a UFO now the.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Fire because somebody got out of them.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
You know, this flaming ball landed and people got out
of it, so it's a chariot of fire.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
So yeah, Ian said sky canoes exactly. You know, they
see it that way, and yeah, and it makes sense
it's to them that that was their point of reference.
So yeah, So it's something that you just need to
keep in mind when you look at the older stories,
for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, and I like it. I think everybody agrees that
there is a kernel of truth in all these stories.
And sometimes it's not a colonel, sometimes it's a boulder.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
I think one of the biggest things is the fact
that even in biblical terms, when they kind of tried
to explain what these giants or Nephelum looked like, they're
explaining exactly all of these giants and like North American
stuff looked like, you know, six fingers, really long arms,

(21:59):
double rose teeth, heads too large for their bodies, things
of that. You know that right there. You can't you
can't fake that.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, And there's images of Nephilim all over the place.
So this is what chat GPT thought of. Nephelm looked like.

Speaker 8 (22:24):
H And then.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
You get these Mesopotamian dryings. You know, you see the
human compared to the giants. It's no knee high, so
like a child to an adult.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
We also have to remember that people back then were
much shorter than we are even now.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
So if we had a nine foot human and a
fore foot, which was probably average size for a person
back then, so you know that that is that's about right.
Actually we might be considered giants well.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
That in the fact, if you think about it, like
if you were looking if you were say like four
footi ish, and you're looking up at somebody that's nine
nine and a half ten feet, they are gonna look ginormous,
and you would probably have a tendency to be a
little flowery with your words when you were explaining just
how much taller they are than you, especially because you're
probably scared or intimidated in some way, so.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
You're gonna be you know, yeah, yeah, look.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
How taller we are than the average. Even in the
seventeen hundreds, the average person was not very tall. You know,
everybody complains about, oh, Napoleon was a short man. He
had short man centered. Well, that's just going by his
uniform which is on display. He actually was of average
heights for the day. So he was four foot something

(23:58):
or other and that's what.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
You've gotten the homes around here. You know, in the
house that I used to live in, the staircase that
went up into the attic bedrooms, it was you know,
super super tall that the risers were way tall and
way skinny, and you would crack your head immediately the
second you went through that doorway. Even it was low

(24:19):
for me and I'm five two, so you could just imagine, Yeah,
my son, would you know have a rednot in the
middle of his forehead all the time? Absolutely, you would
have a concussion.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
You know this this guy's holding the lion like a cat.
I'm going to tell you I am not holding my
cat like that because I don't care how much smaller
my cat is. I am going to be tore up. Well.
So that's also in that Mesopotamian region. And then then

(24:56):
there's the then this is I don't believe this is
a real no salous this one.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, this one is not one before.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
A good representation of what we're talking about. You know,
giant skeletons mhm so which they have found quite a few,
I believe in South America in the past. So mm hmmm.
Which also, yeah, then they tend to mysteriously disappear. Yes, Now,

(25:24):
the ones that are hoaxes, they come out and say, well,
this was a hoax. Let's show it to you and
show you as a hoax. But then there's the ones
that just disappear. Oh, we don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
And I hate We've beat this dead horse all the time.
But the Smithsonian had a lot to do with some
of the disappearances. They truly did.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yes, yeah, I truly believe that. Yeah, yeah, but that's
telling you they'll come out.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
Go ahead. You were talking about South America. I'm reminded
of a h a story talking about this is I
think pre flood maybe, but talking about men with red
beards mm hmm to uh. I think we talked about

(26:08):
it when we were talking about Atlantis several years ago.
But men with red beards came on shore to teach,
and that story alone lines up with the story of
the Watchers or the nephelom mm hm. You know, the
forbidden knowledge and things like that, according to the Bible

(26:30):
and according to the book v Noock.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know.

Speaker 8 (26:33):
So I don't know, but that seems to be a
common description especially in older writing things they all have
like red beards, you know, things like that.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
So that's interesting. Is the caves. Where are those caves
we said it earlier, I can't remember that have caves? Yes,
with the redheaded giants that are found there. Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Well, and that starts bringing us back we discussed when
we're doing the the Lost History episodes, which I think
this might actually lead back into again. So a lot
of these different civilizations have reported that they were taught

(27:27):
how to build pyramids, They were taught how to do this,
they were taught medicine by visitors from the sea, and
that they were tall, freakishly tall, sometimes referred to as giants,
but they were tall. They all agree on that. And
you get back to the younger, driest episode about twelve

(27:51):
to thirteen thousand years ago when the flood. There was
a flood when the ice caps and explicted in it.
Pardon me while I butchered the language again, right, explicably
melted in a very short period of time and raised

(28:12):
the sea level like four hundred feet. The coastlines we
have today are because of that mass melting. So you
get back to it. So your Antediluvian stories where there
were giants walking the land. Are not so far fetched

(28:36):
if you had a civilization that was tall, maybe not
freakishly tall, like we would consider, you know, nine feet
or something, but you know, to these four footers, you know,
six seven foot tall, it's pretty big. So after the flood,

(28:58):
which we know existed, these tall people started going around
and trying to help people and trying to raise civilization again.
That would have looked a lot like what we have
going on in the Book of Enoch. In fact, the
two hundred angels that came down to get married and

(29:22):
have children. One of them, as a zel, taught men
how to forge metal and weapons of war and shields
and helmets and armor, and another one taught women the

(29:44):
cutting of roots and basically plant husbandry and magic. So
that kind of checks with the stories from all over
the rest of the world.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
I have something to share. I don't think I told
anybody this, remember, remember, I mean it's been a couple
of years ago. We had I think Carrie Fields on
the lady from Australia that we interviewed carry In Fields.
She is lovely and uh, you know she gave us
that free class for astral travel. Yes, so I tried it,

(30:28):
you know, I did it a few times, and I
was so unnerved when I met this being right, it
was like a giant person and it had like a
I don't know if it be like almost like a
leather chess piece something like that, uh, you know, kind

(30:52):
of crossing the chesst and all that. And it said
its name was Azazel. I was so unnerved because I
knew i'd heard that word before. Yeah, and it followed
me into the astral and it bothered me so much.
I was like, no more, I'm not getting into this anymore.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
As is that was the fallen one that uh top
mankind metallurgy how to make swords and shields and breastplates,
but and women how to use maker.

Speaker 8 (31:28):
But I remember I looked it up and I want
to say, is as was also the demon the gatekeeper
or whatever something like that. And yeah, no, it bothered me.
I was like, nope, I'm done with this.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah yeah, so yeah that that name is mentioned several
several times in Hebrew mythology. In fact, if you go
through uh the Book of Enoch, it lists the twenty
captains quote unquote of the of the fallen ones, and

(32:11):
there are a lot of recognizable names in that list,
So these, you know, these are the devils. And then
they also mentioned all the archangels in the same story,
so maybe maybe there's something to the names. Even so,
maybe those are close to the real thing. I don't know,

(32:36):
but we all know how history, when it's passed down orally, uh,
words can change, the stories can the stories can become distorted.
But what amazes me is there's so many similarities from
all these different stories all over the world. That's that's

(33:00):
what really makes me sit up and take notice.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yeah, in the Book of Knoche says Azel is a
leader of rebellious angels who taught forbidden knowledge to humans.
Maybe it's a good thing you didn't go back, Phil, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:17):
Yeah, that was the second time. That the third time
he was there again, and I was like, nope.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Tending a note right on out of there.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yep, that's wild.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
So yeah, I've got a list in here someplace about
all the.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Different I think Azazel was one of the principality Angels.

Speaker 7 (33:40):
He's in like the third triad.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
All the all of the the fallen angels from that,
we're all from that third triad, the Principalities, the Archangels,
and just the choir of angels. They were like the
lowest in the and there's two above that too, or
factions of angels.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
The leaders of the different groups of the two hundred
are Sam Samuel's as uh Arak Leiba, Ramiel, Cochlearville tam L.
That's a familiar one, Ramleel, Daniel Ezekiel, baraqua jall'm Hasel.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
You're making me feel good about my English.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Now, Batterrel, Annel, Zachiel, Sam Sapiel, Sattrel. That sounds familiar, Turrell,
JOm Jail, Sirel. I mean, there's a bunch of of them.

(35:00):
They name names.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
These these guys are bad and said spoken like a native.
I'm not sure native of where.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
But yeah, na native of bf E, Kansas.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yes, there you go.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
For those of you who don't know where bf E is.
By all means, look it up, face right next to it.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah. If you want a language butchered, even the English language,
I'm your guy.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Same.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I can do it. I own it. I can read
these words and I can sound them out in my
head and when they hit my mouth they just come out.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
As word salad. It's bad.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I apologize to anyone I may have offended. I don't know,
I may have summoned a demon noll. I don't know.
That's what happens. The last time I read the ingredients
on on a uh something in the fridge there. Yeah,

(36:22):
it's a it's pretty interesting. Uh, there's a lot of
there's a lot of famous giants out there that would
supposedly be the descendant of these people.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
So we talked about them a lot when we were
doing the Kentucky Giants in the Ohio River Valley, and
we were watching watching them like filter their way down
into the Lower Americas. And then that's when we started

(36:59):
really that the same kind of things were popping up
with like Cozy Cotal and you know, the the dude
that was running the Incas. They like the Indians, the
Cherokee ran them out of the Kentucky area and shoved
them down in and they traveled down and then all

(37:20):
of a sudden, these nations that were not great at
the time, the Mayans and the Incans and all of that,
they were not They were little piddly villagers that could
barely grow their own crops, and then suddenly within decades
they were these huge dynasties yep. And I thought it
was really interesting when I found it, because I've never

(37:41):
seen it talked about really a lot. But the skeletons
of the giants that they were finding in the Ohio
River Valley were almost always found with these gigantic feathered capes.
They were wrapped up in that, and I just thought
it was super interesting that they were all found this way.
And then when I started digging into like quasi quotal

(38:04):
and you know these great leaders of these you know,
big South American nations. If you go and you look
at their their statues that they're still prominently displayed, they
all have the gigantic feathered cloaks and the blonde hair
and the blue eyes or the red hair and the
blue eyes.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:25):
And I think I think the Cherokee were absolutely correct.
I think they ran them out, and I think they
headed down south and they started over again down there.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
So right, Well, I mean we know that we don't
know much of history.

Speaker 8 (38:44):
I think I don't.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I didn't save it, but I read an article. There
is a male figure called male chromosomal atom that every
human being on the planet has as a co ancestor,
and he lived well over two hundred thousand years ago,

(39:08):
So humans have been around for quite a while. We've
only really got it's spotty, but it really only goes
back about eight to ten thousand years, and after you
get past about four thousand years, he gets really super sketchy.

(39:33):
So what happened in all that time before the great flood?
That I mean? And supposedly these Antediluvians lived three, four, five,
nine hundred years, So what kind of great things were
they able to to accomplish before that flood? When the

(39:56):
coastlines were way far out into the Atlanta in the Pacific? Uh,
there was an entire continent below Southeast Asia that disappeared
under the water. Only the tops of the mountains show
up above the as Islands. And we know this for
a fact, we have the evidence. We know this for

(40:19):
a fact. So what kind of great things? And yeah,
maybe some of these people were tall by our standards,
but they were also better educated, so they were they
were great not only in stature, they were great in intellect.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Look at some of the things that are left over.
Look at like Anchor yt Look at you know, we've
got the pyramids, We've got even if you want to
get into like Stonehenge, and stuff. Actually, there's a there's
an article that I read just a couple of days
ago about the ultrastone at Stonehenge. They've now determined and
it came clear five hundred miles away from Scotland based

(41:03):
on the chemical makeup of the stone itself. That's amazing.
How did they get it here? You know, there had
to be a sophisticated form of some type of transport
to get it to where it was put into a place. Yeah,
and go Beckley Teppee, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Go Beckley Teppy Is is a very interesting site and
there are there are actually several sites attached to it
that have not been and probably will never be excavated
because they're basically one right on top of each other.
So that's a whole big bet of history. And I

(41:44):
really want to get into that later.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
With the.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Graham Hancock books and whatnot. He has really done a
deep dive into a lot of these things. And I
know I can't do it justice, but I find it
super fascinating that all these things click together. Your nephelum,

(42:09):
were they these great people who survived the flood or
were they the great people before the flood? And then
the giants are their descendants.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Just the fact that there were giants afterwards, and they're
not tied, they're not Noah's family. I mean, you've got
evidence right there that there was at least some form
of humans that did survive the flood. So maybe when
they talk about, you know, the world, they meant their
specific portion of the world is what was flooded, and

(42:44):
that there were other lands where there were survivors. Very possible.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Most civilization is on the coastlines. The sea level comes
up four hundred feet in a matter of weeks, what
happens to the civilization The entire world, world as everyone
knew it was swallowed. Yeah, yes, there were some that survived.
There were some that survived via boat there or probably

(43:11):
some of them out on the ocean when it flooded
that survived and wondered, where's land? Where's land? We should
have been there by now, you know. So I find
it interesting also that when you go through the like
in Enoch, all of these beings that supposedly married human

(43:35):
women and created the giants, all of them were known
to be teaching humans some aspect that we would consider
normal today, Teaching metallurgy, teaching chemistry, teaching plant husbandry. Magic

(43:56):
may have been math for all I know.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
I mean, and I've at one it felt like magic
for sure.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I've watched people solve equations, and it's sure to me
a devil, he had said.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
The earliest stone circle in Britain is in northern Scotland.
Every circle south of it was built later. Yeah, I
know there was one on the Isle of Man. I
don't know. Is there one north of that too? There
probably is, and I just don't know it. But that's
the only one I'm familiar with. It is that far north.

(44:35):
You know, because I know so much about.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
The Isle of Man, I can't even find what I
did with my pen five minutes.

Speaker 7 (44:48):
So I yeah, So do we want to talk about
it like the other?

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Go ahead, Phil, I find it strange. I'm sent here
looking up biblical figures in the lifespans up into the flood.
You know most you know, Enoch was probably the shortest,
had the shortest life. You know Adam. You were talking

(45:18):
about Adam earlier. According to the Bible. You know, he
lived to nine hundred and thirty. Then Seth was nine
hundred and twelve, Enosh was nine hundred and five, Canaan
was nine hundred and ten. Mahalel was eight hundred and
ninety five, Jared nine hundred and sixty two. Enoch was
three hundred and sixty five. Mathuselah, which was Enoch's son

(45:43):
and Noah's grandfather, you know, he lived in nine hundred
and sixty nine. And then after the flood, you know,
according to the Bible, you know, God flowed the earth
because of sin and all this, and he shortened the
lifespan of the humans to something like one hundred and
twenty years. I find it strange. I mean, what's to

(46:06):
say their year wasn't different than ours, you know, like
you were saying earlier. You know, the Jewish year, you know,
was ran off of the moon cycles. But what's to say,
you know, the year isn't any different, or it wasn't
different at a time. But still it amazes me the

(46:28):
drastic change over the matter of that time from Adam
to Noah and then it like falls off, you know,
And I've heard a lot of biblical scholars talk to
it about that's when the firmament was broken, because during
the flood, the water, you know, the firm was broken.

(46:50):
The water fell from the heavens and the water come
up from the earth. Well, it's been proven that there's
huge reservoirs under the under the earth. Yeah, but they say,
you know, the fermament held the water back because you know,
according to the Bible, it hadn't has never rained up
until Noah. You know. So there's a lot going on,

(47:15):
and like you're saying that, there's so many different ways
you could take this, you know, but according to Enoch,
according to the Bible, it was all caused by the Nephilom,
the falling away, you know, sharing the forbidden knowledge and

(47:36):
all that was all. It was all caused by the
Nephilim and the bar the barbaric treatment from the Nephilm
to the humans, you know, because they didn't do what
they want, they started eating humans, goes on. You know,
it's crazy. I mean a huge biblical scholar, right, yeah,

(47:59):
you know, so it's I don't know, it's pretty uh
if you think think about it, it's pretty intense, and
I would like to know anyway, I'm sorry, I'm backtracking here,
But when the firmament was broken, they're saying, you know,
a lot of the Biblical scholars say that's when uv

(48:19):
light started coming in all this, you know, from our atmosphere,
and that's when the lifespan of the average person started
falling away. I don't know, I'm just repeating what i've heard.
I find it interesting though, you.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Know, I wonder too. They talk about the fact that
things like viruses will affect our DNA and we'll change
our DNA. So what if it was something I'm not
saying it was a virus, but something akin to that
where there's a massive shift in the area that they

(48:58):
were living in that would have caused some sort of
variation in the DNA from them that could have shortened
life spans too. Who knows, but.

Speaker 8 (49:13):
We know radiation affects your DNA.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Yeah, yeah, if it.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
Wasn't you know, if the solar radiation that's coming through
that the firm is gone there you go. Yeah, I
don't know. Like I said, I'm speculating here. I mean,
that's what we do the best, so.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Right, Yeah, I don't know either, but it's it's fascinating
to talk about and think about.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, I've got some more speculation for you that brought
when you brought up the firmament. So the firmament, the heavens,
the younger, driest and the flooding from it was supposedly
caused by something falling from the heavens. It's speculated that

(49:57):
meteoroid shower add large enough chunks that hit the ice
cap multiple times, flash melting it and causing it to
flood the earth. So wouldn't that be the firmament's breaking
Fire from the heavens hit the ice caps and melted

(50:19):
all that water, and of course a lot of them
up into a lot of it would have gone up
into the air and fallen all over the world. Yeah,
because it was basically vaporized.

Speaker 8 (50:30):
Right, And I'm curious and no, I don't I don't
know if you guys might know the figures or not,
but when the ice caps melted and or yeah, when
ice caps melted, I don't know how long it took
for the world of flood weeks, you know, But I
know Biblically it says forty day it rained for forty

(50:51):
days and forty nights. Again, you know, I'm assuming they
measure days the same way we did. Ian Ashley. Actually
question is kind of what we're talking about, was how
are they measuring years. I'm not about to do the math,
but what if they can consider it a year or
what they can what if they considered a year represented
the quarter league when August and solstices, that's possible, that

(51:12):
would be.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Entirely it would be it would be like looking at
dog years as opposed to human years. You know, a
dog year, you know, a dog is seven years per
one human year.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
So yeah, maybe all of human history was erased thirteen
thousand years ago during this event. So it could it
could very well have been an error in translation because
we started measuring things different where we didn't understand the

(51:46):
verbal stories that were passed down. And so that's as
close as they could get. And that's entirely possible human
history was he raised.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
Oh yes, Ken, that's what I was saying about. Lives
were longer before the flood, but marked to your point,
something to think about. You know, when Rome took over
Israel and the entire part of Europe and North Africa,
they changed everybody to their calendar, the Roman calendar, right,

(52:19):
you know, so there again, you know how many times
did they switch counting the calendars?

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, and we've seen in history where we've seen in
history where the authorities that be have adjusted the calendar
to make it look like they've been in charge for longer.
There's multiple examples of that. So do we really know? No,

(52:47):
Are we ever going to know?

Speaker 8 (52:49):
Unlikely?

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Unlikely?

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, so, but we do know that twelve thirteen thousand
years ago, during this younger driest, something fell from the
sky and the sea level rose about four hundred feet
in just a few weeks, forty days and forty nights.
It's a few weeks, yep. So this was a catastrophe.
It did not flood the whole world, but it definitely

(53:13):
flooded where all the civilizations would have been. Which were
the coastlines?

Speaker 8 (53:18):
Flooded the world?

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Are that hit?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
You know?

Speaker 4 (53:21):
You're fire from the sky?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Look at the matchs or better yet, look at the
pictures of the Earth at night. Where all the lights are?
Where are all the lights? They're along the coasts of
every continent. What happens if once again the water level
come up four hundred feet? New York would be gone,

(53:44):
all the cities on the East Coast would be gone,
California itself would be underwater, most of Alaska would be underwater.
Japan would cease to exist, all the islands in Indonesia
and all of that would just it'd be underwater and
you only have a few weeks to evacuate, you're not

(54:09):
going to get everyone.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
And well, where we are now, you know, in in
Kansas and in the Middle region of the United States,
we used to be a shallow sea. I mean there's
ample fossil evidence of that.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
So Missouri is only three hundred foot above sea level. Yeah,
we're only eight hundred feet right here. Yeah, eight hundred
and twenty. Don't ask me how I know that, But
it's eight hundred and twenty in Independence, Kansas.

Speaker 8 (54:43):
I know how you know that?

Speaker 6 (54:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah, you know I know that. So comes up four
hundred feet. It's going to be part of my French
with cluster. I just edited myself. That was great, right,
I'm learning. So yeah, I mean really go ahead.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
Now, I was gonna say, I think a lot of
it is just people don't know. I mean, there's no
way to know the whole story. We're basing off of
ancient writings. I believe the Bible, that's me, you know,

(55:32):
But other writings, you know, the Book of Enoch that's debatable,
whether it's mechanical whatever, that's not this show. But then
you have the Samerian writings. You have all the writings
from you know, I think you were talking about earlier, Jess,
all those different writings, all the different stories, a story
from around the world.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Yeah, you've got plenty of the Elder that adds in,
you know, stories that don't match specifically with the Bible,
but there's a lot of stuff that. Yeah, there's there's
some of the stories that are similar.

Speaker 8 (56:03):
Right, and it's all about the same time, and it
goes back to the Antediluvian period.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
So you know, like I said, the world did get
destroyed by flood. The civilized world did get destroyed by flood.
We don't know how advanced those people were. I would
imagine at least Late Bronze Age from the stories that
I've read. So you have a seafaring Late Bronze Age

(56:35):
civilization that spans the entire world because the oceans were
much smaller and easier to traverse. And then all of
a sudden, the sea level rises four hundred feet and
all those cities just disappear, and underwater archaeology has found
the remnants of cities off the coast.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Alexandria. They're pretty sure that like Cleopatra, where she lived
and where some of her things were they can see
it underwater, you know, it's not that far out.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, and that's fairly recent in the geologic timescale. But
there's been reports of during a tsunami type wave that
happened in the Atlantic, they could see the remains of
a city out on the mudflats several miles away from

(57:33):
the current coastline when the water moved out before the
wave came in. And this was off the coast, I
believe Spain. Maybe it was Portugal.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
I think it was Portugal.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I think you're right, So we know they're out there.

Speaker 7 (57:49):
Yeah, I mean even like the Bimini Road.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
Like Graham Hancock is a big proponent to that. He's
he claims he can see where it was supposed to
go to. There was another land mass there that's now
underwater that you know, all of that that ran along,
and that Viminy is absolutely man made.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Well, and there's there's uh roads and cities underneath the
water in Europe. Uh, I forget what sea it is
up there. I don't think it's the Black Sea, but
I want to say it might be. It's in between

(58:29):
Europe and Asia. I think anyway, Uh, you can get
down there, you can find the roads, you can find
pottery on the side of the roads. You can find
the foundations of buildings, all of it under the water
that used to be above above water. So that was
an entire civilization that was swallowed by the sea. You know,

(58:53):
it's all over the world. The evidence, I believe. I
saw that on Searching for Atlantis. It was a series
on History Channel.

Speaker 8 (59:05):
Maybe probably this is apparently this is from I want
to say, sixteen sixteen thirty five, that's what it said.
But this is apparently what the map representation before the flood,
you know, I mean, there was land all the way

(59:26):
out here. They think this is Atlantis over here.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
I wonder if the hesperities are there right.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Well, I mean, I've got this book Maps of the
Ancient Sea Kings. We're going to have to get out
and do a show on that one of these days, because, yeah,
it's got maps of things they should not have been
able to draw.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
I mean, with this, you can see Antarctica right next
to South America, Australia over here, but it was all landlocked.
If you can see.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Can you see the Indian Indonesia area. We talked about
that not too long ago. Yeah, I see, I mean
it's close that area up there. You know, we know
that there that was all above that was all above water. Interesting,

(01:00:27):
there was a civilization there, we know that it that
it existed.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Ken said he just read that the Black Sea basin structure,
if you emptied the sea, might have been a civilization.
That's kind of yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Yeah, So it's fascinating. This just opens up so much
stuff to look at and to consider, and we really
don't know about human history.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Just and I were just talking last night. You know,
one of the and you'll have to remind me which
one it is, one of the Great Lakes, there's a
stonehenge basically at the bottom of it that they have found.
They just don't know who put it there, or why
it was there or when because it's way under the water. Yeah,
so point that was above.

Speaker 7 (01:01:17):
It has carvings of elephants on it too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Yeah, and there were elephants in America. There was an
American elephant, and you know, we had of course, we
had Masta dons and and such here until they were.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
There are African elephants too that were being brought over
to ships. They didn't make it very long because they're
not suited.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
They were in like New Mexico or somewhere, weren't they.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Well, some of them died going up the Ohio River valley.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
They didn't make it for very long that way, and
then a lot of them died, yeah, in the lower
like New Mexico region and stuff like that. They came
up that far and of course there wasn't enough food.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
They have elephants.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
So yeah, theyes in Lake Michigan, yes, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
But you get to looking at some of these ancient sites,
these mounds and stuff that were oriented to the solstices
and stuff, and they think some of these, some of
these are from the time right around that younger drydis event. So,

(01:02:32):
like I said, we know there were people before that
and that there were people after that. So I really
truly believe a lot of these stories still go back
to that ancient flood. I think everything leads back to
that ancient flood.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Well, like Jess was pointing out, too, many civilizations have
similar stories, and a lot of them do include the
story of the flood, a great flood.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yeah. Yeah, So and then you get the similar languages
you know, from Asia to Europe that nobody can account for. Yeah,
so how did that happen? Well, I mean, if there
was sea travel all around the world, that's how it's
accounted for. Yeah. So, and I believe there was a

(01:03:25):
study going on. Oh this has been twenty years ago
or more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
They were compiling a list of words that anybody on
the planet should be able to recognize because they the
root word was in every single language, like a. I
don't know whatever became of that, but supposedly you could
go on YouTube and listen to a story told in

(01:03:52):
the words that they knew, and everybody should be able
to get the gist of it. I'll have to look
that up. That's it's been twenty plus years since I
read that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
I like the Rosetta Stone, but yeah, just with specific
words brought all together.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
With root words that everybody has in common. Interesting, be
like us listen to somebody speak old English. We can
understand about yeah, a third of it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
But yeah, if that it's a lot different. Our English
has really evolved.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Well, it hasn't evolved. We've stolen everything we wanted.

Speaker 6 (01:04:35):
Immigrants and stuff come in and all of those different
languages kind of coalesce. I think the English language has
probably almost completely changed since that Old English time, because
specifically the European nations and the Americas have accepted all

(01:04:56):
of these people from other places, and all of that
local colloquialisms and things like that all get blended in
and different words for different things. And I think that's,
you know, like our English language has, you know, like
five words that sound exactly the same but all mean
different things.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yes, from that, yeah, yeah, I think there's a connect connect.
Correct me if I'm wrong. There is a town in
Great Britain, someplace. Its name literally started out as the Hill,
and every group that called it the hill, and it's

(01:05:37):
like the name broken down means hill, hill, hill, hill, hill.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
I can't remember what the name is, but I know
what you're talking about. I've seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
So when you've got the the I knew language in
Japan is very very similar to the native language of
the Basque region of Europe. It's just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
I don't know how anybody could think that everything wasn't
connected much closer than we think at some point in time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Torpenhowe in Cumbria, England. The name is made up of
tor which is hill in Old English, Pen which is hill,
and West Welsh. Excuse me, and how is Hill and
Old Norse Well, often referred to as Torpenhow Hill. There's
no official map listing a hill with that name, so
it refers to a village in the area, but it
basically means hill, hill, hill, hill, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
So I mean funny. Language is funny, It is funny.
I wish I could speak at least one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
I'm barely fluent in English.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Well, I also speak sarcasm quite well, though, yes, yeah,
I do Gary flut and sarcasm.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
I know a little Dutch. I kind of lost it
though when I knew. I don't know much anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
So anyway, it's a fascinating subject. I think I want
to encourage everybody on here once again to start doing
their own research and dig into this. We have really
barely scratched the surface, and it is connected to so

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many things, so many things, And like I said, I
really want to go back into the forgotten history thing.
Hopefully this year. I really want to get back into
that and get to going on some of these subjects,

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because it's just so much information has been lost, even
in historical times. We lost so much from the library
at Alexandria. How much more did we lose when the
sea level came up four hundred feet in just a
few weeks. Right, I know those people had libraries, they

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had a written language.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
I know they There was just recently a library that
was discovered two and it was found behind a wall.
Was it in a monastery? Oh my gosh, where was it?
But it's got thousands and thousands of scrolls.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
In it that nobody even knew existed.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
They didn't even know it existed, and now they're finding
them and they've got interpreters coming in to translate on.
Oh what is the name of that? If anybody knows
what I'm talking about, throw it in chat please, I'm
googling to see if I can find.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
It real quick again the best research.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
Yeah, you know, there's something to be said from that.
I'm just a little a little off topic. But Pam's like,
oh wait a minute. They just found this hidden room
that's got thousands of scrolls in it from god knows
how long ago. And it kind of makes me sad
nowadays because if that were to happen to us now,

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if we had this sudden, sudden cataclysm and we were
wiped out, the majority of our stuff is going to
be gone because it's.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
It's digital. It's going to be.

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
Gone because we're no longer you know, truly keeping things
in some kind of a you know, keep it in
your hand type of format, and it's going to be gone.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Well, I think if that ancient civilization that we believe
existed was already putting things on paper and vellum and whatnot,
all of that would have been gone. Water does bad
things to paper. Yeah, that would have all and gone.
If they were that advanced, I doubt they would have

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been using stone or clay.

Speaker 7 (01:10:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Yeah, we've even talked you know, advanced civilization pat you know,
past the cataclysmic event, you know that Graham Hancock talks about.
You know, we've even talked about that years ago to
where even if they were keeping things digitally, it would

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be sad, you know, class drives or whatever, just something
we could I mean to be gone, you know, because
they were under you know, glaciers and all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Yeah, our technology today, there wouldn't be anything left of
our civilization after an event like that. Nope, you know,
not if we were located only on the mostly on
the coast, and even you know, large parts of North America, Europe, Asia,
they flooded as well, they just didn't stay flooded, so

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all that will just disappear overnight. So I really, as
a Christian, I believe that what the Bible teaches us
is correct.

Speaker 8 (01:11:13):
But as a.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Well I wouldn't call myself a man of science. As
a reasoning individual, I also recognize the fact that a
lot of these stories started out as being an oral
tradition that was passed down. And I have I have

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played the whisper game and know what. I know what happens.
I know what happens. When I tell a story. I
get a little excited. Yeah, my numbers might change, I
might flop things out of order because I just can't
get it all out. So I can be where the

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same story could end up being one hundred different stories
all around the planet. I can definitely see that. So
it lends credibility to the story itself, even if the
names have been changed because they couldn't pronounce Erma, scufflees

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or whatever. Because I can't say anything right. You know,
if I were to tell these stories, which I did
on here, I would butcher everything.

Speaker 8 (01:12:35):
And it's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
It's really bad. I'm not the only one.

Speaker 8 (01:12:44):
Something else, Okay, something else, oh, you're okay to think
about is the Bible. For instance, the first five books
were written by Moses. How much of that was passed
down orally all of it? You know, I mean aside

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from you know, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. I mean,
obviously Genesis was orally passed down. You know, Exodus is
a story of Moses and in the in the the
escape from Egypt, and you know, Leviticus and Numbers and all.
That's all moving to the Promised Land. That's all low,

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I mean, Genesis, that's all that all has to be
passed down.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Yeah, and that they lost all that when they went
into captivity, so they had to just remember it and
write it down again, just.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
To remember that history is always spoken through the victor.

Speaker 8 (01:13:55):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
The ones that are defeated are the ones that lose
their history too. And that's not okay. So I found
that monastery. It's called the Sakia Sakya Monastery Library, and
it's located in Tibet. It was discovered within the monastery
walls in two thousand and three and it contains approximately
eighty four thousand manuscripts, including Buddhist scriptures literature, history, philosophy, astronomy, mathematics, agriculture,

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and art. The library is about sixty meters long and
ten meters high and it houses invaluable insights into the
early development of the Tibetan Buddhist thought and practice. So
what they're doing right now is they have digitation digitization
efforts going on, and they started this project in twenty
eleven so they can make the collection accessible to international scholars,

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which is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
So I thought that was really cool. Cool, that is cool.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
And there's a library too, it says at Saint Catherine's
Monastery in Egypt that's also known for its extensive collection
of ancient any scripts. That's cool. I didn't know about
that one, right, This one is amazing. You know, this
is probably as close to the Lost Library that we're
going to get. You know, hopefully there's some there's some

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things in there that you know, will help fill in
some details because they, I mean, that's eighty four thousand scrolls.
Can you imagine how long that's going to take. But
what kind of information is in them? You know, I'm
a librarian.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
I'm over here, like, here's a hint for a large
bunch of that is probably going to be either tax
records or.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Very positive.

Speaker 8 (01:15:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
I think it was walled up and asked, how the
devil do you lose a library that big.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
I think they walled it up and it was probably
too secure it to make sure story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
To keep it from falling into the wrong hand. Then
they forgot about it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Yeah, it only takes a generation or two if people
are keeping something very secret. You know, if only one
or two people know and they're wiped out, then nobody
knows anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
You know, where it actually ended up exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:16:16):
I mean think about this. You know, our grandparents and
great grandparents, we've talked about this a ton on the
or on what if tomorrow? You know, they had knowledge
that we have no clue about right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean canning and food preservation and farming and all that.
People are finally now trying to rediscover that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
But we almost lost not so far away.

Speaker 8 (01:16:42):
Yeah, we're not so far away from that knowledge being
totally gone.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Yeah, that's just a couple of generations ago. When it
was right, I mean, it was embedded and it was
your just life. It was daily life.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
And that's without having a great catastrophe. That's just people
what happens when you have that catastrophe. How much do
you lose? You lose everything except apparently for a few
people who survived and went around and tried to teach
people how to build and math and whatnot. And there's

(01:17:15):
records of this in Egypt, there's records of this in
South America, there's records of this in Asia, and I
want to say the Polynesian area. So there's something to this.
And I really think the Book of Enoch, once you

(01:17:39):
read between the lines, there is a lot of verifiable
information there if you choose to look at it that way.
You know, read between the lines and you know the
facts as they're presented in. There are facts, but they

(01:18:03):
were passed down orally and when they were written down
because they date from about the same time, they date
before Moses, so they would have had to have been
written down from memory after the cataclysm. And we all
know how humans are. Our memories aren't.

Speaker 8 (01:18:23):
Perfect and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Make a story make sense, we will fill it in.
It is how we are, It's what we do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
I wish I had the ability of the storytellers back
when it was all oral tradition, because you know, the
majority of the time they had oral historians, so it
was passed down in songs and prose and ways to
make it easy to remember, but you know, the original meaning.

(01:18:55):
Can it be lost? Absolutely, and it probably was in
a lot of cases. But I mean, just look at
all the information in regards to being close to the
earth and things like that that like the Celtic Druids
had they were wiped out. You know, all that information
was lost. What what did we lose there in regards

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to spirituality and you know the workings of Yes, yeah,
all of that. I mean it was wiped out in
just like a generation. And it sucks because that can
be lost so quickly.

Speaker 8 (01:19:34):
I mean, are we so far removed? I guess. I
mean you're talking about the Celts and all that. You know,
they were all warfaring tribes, you know, and obviously you know,
like the old saying goes, knowledge is power. If you
take away the knowledge, you have control. You know, are
we so far removed to modern times? Absolutely? People kept

(01:19:58):
in the dark about what's really going on in media.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
They I mean, yeah, it happens, and a lot of
times it happens intentionally. We see it happening today. You
have to really dig sometimes to find out what's really happening,
because the talking heads are going to tell you what
they want you to think.

Speaker 8 (01:20:24):
Yep, I don't think it was any different, you know,
I don't think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Any different now than it was a thousand years ago
or two thousand years ago. It may be slightly better
because at this point most people on the planet can
read or write to some degree. We're able to transmit
knowledge through the written word, so that makes it harder

(01:20:50):
for the powers to be to mislead the people. But
back when nobody could read or write, you had to
listen to what your betters told you, and that was
the facts, whether they were true or not.

Speaker 8 (01:21:09):
Right and right at during the medieval time, you know what, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
fourteen hundred, most people weren't allowed to be able or
allowed to learn to read. You weren't allowed to you know,
the nobility, right, the nobility, the priests and all that

(01:21:33):
were the only ones that were able to learn or
allowed to learn to read, so they could spread the
knowledge that what they want to spread. And again, it's
no really really no different today other than the fact
like that your example, Mark, I mean, there's such a
medium now if people really want the information, they can
dig and they can compare notes and come up to

(01:21:53):
their own conclusions, you know. And I think that's I mean,
just a modern day example. Look at at communist China
on how locked down their Internet is compared to here,
even though I know they're trying to lock down certain
spots in areas or whatever the Internet net, but we
have more freedom of information over here compared to what's

(01:22:16):
in China in modern day right now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
And that's true. When you control the information, you control
the people. It is, uh, it is mental slavery instead
of physical.

Speaker 8 (01:22:28):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
So now that I've got on my tiny political soapbox,
well it's not a very big rabbit hole for a
while for a while. So anyhow, I don't really have
a whole lot more on the NETILM per se. But
I think it really reason I picked this one is

(01:22:52):
because I wanted to delete it back into the forgotten
history thing, and I would like to get back into
that in the next few months. So I'm going to
start coming up with a plan for that, and I'm
going to get it to all of you so that
we can start looking into that. Because looking back, as

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were some of our most popular shows, they were some
of our most fun shows, and they were definitely some
of the most intellectually stimulating shows that we have had.
And I want to get back into it because I
love it. I love history, and I want to get

(01:23:40):
back into it. Yep, all right, anybody else got anything
else to add?

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
Not to the show, but keeping out? Next week, Mark
and I are going to be talking on what if
tomorrow about AI becoming the Ultimate Threat?

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Yes, yes, some scary stuff. There might be some fun
stuff to go along with that too, So all right,
And what's going to go on next week? On border
Town Strange.

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
We are going to be doing a deep dive on
the phone app Random Nautica. And for those of you
who don't know what that is, it's an app that
came out. Oh it's been pre COVID. It got really
big during COVID actually because it was kind of get
your feet on the ground and go out for a
walk type of situation. But it's a kind of a

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brainchild of this group of people who wanted to see
how like the hive mind and how like the singular
mind with intention could affect the outside world.

Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
You know, if you put thought into it, will.

Speaker 6 (01:24:57):
It come into being? Type of a situation. And what
it is is you you plug an intention into the app.
You can pick anything. You can pick like a I
want to see a color, or I want I want
something peaceful, or something with love, or even you know,
you can go with the hairy side, you know, something
crazy or death or something, and you put your intentions
into it, and it's supposed to it pulls a map

(01:25:18):
up and it's supposed to lead you to whatever that
is within a particular area. And oddly enough, so far
i've been testing it, it's worked about eighty five percent
of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
It's pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
It worked at least seventy five percent of the time
the other day when we all tried it did. Yeah,
it was it was interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
Yes, it actually got very famous. Back in I think
it was twenty and eighteen, a group of kids in
California decided to take over a little randon Ontica trip.
And I believe don't quote me on this, I believe
they their intentions that day that they put in were
something crazy I think was theirs. And it took them

(01:26:02):
on a trip all over their city and they ended
up at a dock on that ocean and underneath the
dock was a suitcase, and in that suitcase was a
lady's body who had been missing for weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Yeah, pretty well.

Speaker 8 (01:26:20):
I need to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Yeah, you need to try it, Phil, And when you do,
make sure you that'd be great, wouldn't it if you
If you do happen to do it, make sure that
you document it so you can let us know how
it went, because we want to get as many stories
of our area as we can get.

Speaker 7 (01:26:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:40):
Yeah, I think Jess, you introduced it to me like
right after we first met on the show, and I
downloaded to mess with it, and I didn't actually go
to the points it showed, you know, not that it
really counts for anything, but I did mess with it,
and it showed like points down a couple of miles
down the road and out of the middle of the field,
and I was like, man, that somebody else's property. I

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don't want to know out there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
Yeah, it's almost better to do it in a in
town setting because it's not discerning, you know, like if
it's not on the road, it's not going to be like,
oh well, I'll give you a different point. So there
has been occasions where, you know, like it was in
the middle of somebody's backyard, and you're certainly not going
to walk in on someone's backyard, but it's it's good

(01:27:24):
to do it in in town setting because things are
a little bit more accessible. Property lines aren't quite so grand,
especially as they are out in your way out in
the rural area, as you hate to.

Speaker 7 (01:27:35):
Walk in on somebody's pastor.

Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
But yeah, for all of these that are listening and watching,
if you want to join us next Wednesday night at
seven pm on border town Strange, download the app. It's free,
and run some random a nauticas and take pictures of
what you find if you find anything fantastic, and then
let us know about it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
So the border on Strange dot com and we'll make
the show. We're talking to you, ian Enzo Ken.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Yeah all right, Well I don't have anything else tonight.
With that being said, I wish everybody a good night.
I hope you enjoyed the show. Uh, those of you
who are listening to us on a podcast provider, UH,
you can visit us on YouTube. You can uh check

(01:28:30):
us out on Facebook, and uh you can watch the
show all over. You can watch it like everybody else
did and see the comments and stuff. Uh, I encourage
everybody to do that. Uh, it's a lot of fun.
I mean I'm pretty funny looking, so you might even
just get a kick. Oh look, that guy's uglier than me.

(01:28:56):
It's not a high bar for me. So anyway, I
hope you all have a good week, and I will
see those of you who watch what If tomorrow on Monday,
and two weeks from tonight we will be talking about
Japan's suicide forest. That should be well, it should be interesting.

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All right, guys, everybody have a good night.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
Good night, everybody,