New Mandella effects?

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Have you ever wondered what was out there in the
night sky, stared up at the stars in the hopes
of seeing something out of the ordinary. Have you heard
unexplainable noises coming from a vacant room or watched the
shadow across the wall in front of you. Have you
asked yourself if there is life after this one, or
if you had life before? What about strange creatures that

(00:28):
are mythical and elusive? Have you experienced dejeuvus or felt
a prompting to leave because you felt you were in danger.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
If you have, you were on the fringe.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Welcome to another episode of On the Fringe.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm Mark, I'm Pam, I'm Jess.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yeah, I apologize. I'm fighting a cold, so darn it.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
Yeah I sound fun and nasally today, so hopefully I
don't sneeze all over my microphone and stuff. That'll be great.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Oh yeah, get it all over your cameras.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
We can examine your snot for bacteria.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Yeah, I'm just gonna let it fly.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
Yeah, I apologize, like and it. I hope that you're
listening on your podcast services and not watching later because
you're getting me with no makeup and in my sweat
clothes today because just ain't feeling that great.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
So yeah, I made it.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
I've got my hot tea and my Kleenexes and a
whole list of new mandelas.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
So this should be we can wave our Cleenex box
each other. We have. It's a club.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
One that I am proud to not be a part
of at this time.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Okay, so far as well, Pam Knocknewood.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Knocknwood. Well to get it started, Let's go over a
little bit about what the Mandela effect is, just for
those just as refresh this phenomenon. It's something that was
named by paranormal researcher Fiona Broom. She wrongly recalled that
now Nelson Mandela died in the nineteen eighties and she

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could remember news coverage of his funeral even though he
later became the president of South Africa and he didn't
pass away until twenty thirteen. And she realized that there
were others that were misremembering as well, and so she
began to study this phenomena of collective false memory and
that's how Mandela effect became. And that's why it's called

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the Mandela effect because Nelson Mandela kind of kicked it off.
Won't added anything to that, Did I get it?

Speaker 6 (03:08):
That's pretty much it. It's just it seems like every
few years or so we get a brand new batch
in and here recently, Pam and I were actually discussing
it the other day that a whole new group of
stuff has kind of emerged. Do we want to talk
a little bit about the theories on why we think

(03:28):
this is happening?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Sure, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
We have several there's you know, all sorts of fun
conspiracy theories. One of my favorite ones is that seems
like every time Stern kicks up, we get a brand
new rash of stuff. And that's because I personally believe
that we are all we all have many many lines,
many many parallel dimensions and universes that we all reside in.

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And I think every time Stern kicks up loads another line,
some of us get to move over, and so every
time you move over into a new line, everything is
pretty much the same, but there's a few things that
aren't quite right, and your old conscious is still trying
to catch up to this new line. So that's what

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I think.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Maybe that listener, how I like to explain that to people,
because I have people look at me like you're crazy
as well. Okay, so if we've got an infinite number,
how many souls do you have? You have one. So
you've got all these different timelines where you exist. Each
one of them doesn't have soul. You all share that

(04:41):
same soul. And so if your consciousness is writing in
this timeline, the other one is kind of moving along
and I'm autopilot. These are the things that could have
happened in PCs. Yeah, we're all in PCs, and then
something happens and your consciousness jumps over into that other timeline.

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And I don't think you necessarily have to die and
move over there, because there's been a couple of times
where I've had some really weird shit happened and then
everybody tells me the next day or so that never happened.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
Mm hmm. I think it may be a very good
excuse for deja vu. Yeah, you shift a line and
in that line it's a little bit further ahead than
what you were further behind.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, it could be, because I mean, I remember I
had such a scary A lot of you folks have
probably heard me tell this when I was in grade school.
I had one that was so clear. I turned to

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my friend and said, didn't we do this yesterday? And
he said no, And I said, well, the principal was
getting ready to say this, this and this, and he
you're crazy and then he said this isn't My friend
got like, ah, how did you do it? Because we
did it yesterday.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Inzo's in the chat, he said, the death of Harambe
and twenty sixteen caused us to jump to the stupid timeline.
The death of Peanut and Fred brought us out of it.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I don't know, we're humans. We're probably all still in
the stupid timeline. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Inzo and he also said it's pre Thanksgiving. That means
this is on the.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Fridge, on the fridge, on the fridge.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
In the fridge, it's in the fridge.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
In the fridge would be better. Yeah, reading the fridge
too funny, raiding the fridge, filling the fridge right.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Now, yep, yep. So you guys ready to make all
your specialty dishes.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
Oh lord, I'm not need to do anything right now.
I just want to climb under my pillow.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Well, I'm going to my son I'm going to erics
and he I asked him what he wanted to do
and he was like, you know, at first I thought
we were probably going to.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Go out and eat, and he's like, no, I want
to do the whole.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Thanksgiving that we do. I was like, okay, cool. He's like,
can you send me recipes for your turkey and your
dressing and stuff?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Absolutely? I send it to him and he's like, oh crap, Mom,
I don't have anywhere to store a turkey. And I
was like, do you want me to bring the turkey?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Could you do that? And I was like sure, And
he's like, how do you make the dressing? Would you
would you like me to make the dressing? That'd be great, mom.
So I'm gonna make the turkey and dressing and take
it out. But he's making all the sides. They already
went and bought everything for the sides, so I'm okay
with that. That's the easy stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
So well, you don't want the turkey to be too dry.
You had best take charge.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
He knows how to take the turkey.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
You could end up with a turkey like from National Lampoon. Oh,
take a whole bunch of wine in your dream.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Funny, He's done really good, so we'll see. He went
and bought everything to make all the sides. And then
he hates sour cream and one of his favorite desserts
has sour cream in it. We've never told him that
because he would not eat it. And so he was like,
you know, can you send me the recipe for Nana's
cranberry fluff. I said sure, but you'll never You'll never
eat it again. And he was like why and I

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said it and he's like.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's a lie, it's all lies.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
No, it really has sour cream in it. He's like,
I'm still gonna eat it, but I'm gonna know that's funny.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Hi, Chris, Hi Chris, That's funny. How many realize what's
in the green beam castro all Like, I know a
lot of people hate mushroom soup, but they like the
green bean cass le. Yeah, yeah, soon.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
It's like those weirdos who hate onions but they love
onion rings. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Oh gunners onion rings.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Oh they were good.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
They were so good.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
I told you guys, they're good.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
You're not kidding. So if you're ever in Sedan, Kansas,
go eat at Gunners Bourbon and Tavern So Good or
Distillery and Tavern. I can't remember what they call it.
It's Gunners Downtown Stands So Good.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Yeah, Oh my gosh. I had like I think it
was called like the Cowboy Burger. So it had like
homemade bourbon barbecue on it, barbecue sauce on it with
smoked cheddar and onion rings. Oh my gosh, it was fantastic,
Like the onion rings were on the burger. It was delicious.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I had I got just, you know, a chicken sandwich,
and I'm like, you know, a chicken sandwich is a
chicken No. It was so good and the onion rings
were so good.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I've had the the whatever chicken dish it is they have,
that's got the balsamac bourbon balsamic sauce. Yeah, you could
put that. You could put that stuff on a piece
of cardboard and it might be the best thing you've
ever eaten. It's so funny. So we're kind of we're

(10:37):
kind of getting off track, but I love food.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Food, yeah, a little squarely tonight, I'm so off track.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
I freaked out a little while ago while I was
trying to get everything gathered up for this, because I
was like, crap, I don't have the word of the
week done up. And then it dawned on me later
that we aren't even doing.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Yeah, And then it dawned on me even if it
was border Town Street, it's my turn, Yeah, it's not
even my turn. I was like, because I was freaking out,
I was like, where's my intro autro? Where's all my
stuff at? And then yeah, that's yeah. The day quill
is really get into my head.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yes, and rings. We may have to have a meeting there.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. We ought to have
a meeting.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
That's what Mark said earlier, and I wholeheartedly agree.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
We'll make somebody be the designated driver.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
So if we could taste the wears too, that's.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Right, that's right, all right. So we got some new ones.
What are they?

Speaker 6 (11:46):
We got new mandelas you guys.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Start, okay, all right?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
How do you ladies spell origel oh r A g
e L all right? Well? Or dash g e l?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Actually, isn't it two words? Or a dash?

Speaker 3 (12:04):
I always that's how I always, I thought, it said,
But look at this, hold on, I'm slow. We know.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
We love you anyway, it's failed with a j that
doesn't even look right right.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, it's weird, and you're right.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
I think there was a dash in it. I think
it was gel g e L.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. Huh, it's totally weird, so.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Very strange. Yes, let me he's next.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
I think we're just gonna take turns because we all
found our own. We did listings. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Okay, Mark you if you could throw that up for me,
well put it on the screen for me. Everybody's not
feeling well, that's the wrong thing to say there. Okay.
So this is a new one that's popped up, is
the song I'll be Home for Christmas. I'm hearing that
it has it now says you can plan on me,
as opposed to you can count on me. So I
went out to Spotify and I looked around and pulled

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the lyrics off of Bing Crosby is the first one,
and it does say you can plan on me, and
then down here again you can plan on me. That's
only two times that line is said in the song.
Frank Sinatra does the same, you can plan on me.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Who is it?

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Phil? Oh?

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Hi Phil?

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Hi Phil?

Speaker 4 (13:43):
And then so I went to Pentatonics, and they have
you can count on Me and you can count on me,
And then Camilla Cabeo she has you can count on
me and you can count on me. But then if
you go to Michael, you can plan on me and
you can count on me. So he kind of is

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on the in between. He's doing both. So I'm wondering
if it's more or less a modernization of the time itself.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
The only problem I have with that is is that
I'm a big fan of the old Christmas tunes. My
family has always listened to those every year. We've always
had like a little record or you know, a cassette
full of them, and we listen to them every year
when we're having Christmas dinner and when we're opening gifts.
So I know, I've always listened to the old Frank

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Sinatra ones and the Bing Crosby and stuff like that,
and I don't ever remember it being planed on me.
In fact, I think if I just tried to sing
along with one now, I'd screw.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
That up, I would I do? And yeah, that is
a strange thing about it. I thought maybe I was
misro memory. Yeah, yeah, I got confused after I saw
this and they're going back and forth on him. I
thought maybe it was just modernizzo, but I do recall
it always being you can count on me, So I
don't know, maybe.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Everybody's maybe we're confusing everybody.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Hi Anne Ian's in the chat too, Hi aenne.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Inzo said, spelled with a J.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Nah.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
No, it doesn't even look right. Okay, I'll drop mine,
I'll drop my screen, and who wants to go next?

Speaker 6 (15:25):
I will so in my hunts for new ones because
I've I've been kind of writing down some of the
ones that have kind of popped up for me over
the last few months or so, because it's really picked up.
And one of the crazier ones that I found was
that they're claiming now that Judge Judy has doesn't have
now and never has had a gavel, which absolutely doesn't

(15:50):
make sense to me. I don't watch a whole lot
of Judge Judy, but I've you know, I'm just like
anyone else. I catch her in the afternoons once in
a while and watch it for a little bit because
she throws her little fits, and I remember her banging
that and shaking it at people, you know, yelling at
him and shaking that gavel at him, you know, like
I don't have to put up with this, you shut
up and sat down kind of thing. And apparently she's
never had one. Huh, weirds me out.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
That is strange.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, I seem to remember her having one. Yeah, so
that's that's totally weird. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
I went and looked, and I can't find any video
or any photos of her with a gavel now, so.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Hm, which is weird because that's like the judgiest prop
there is, right.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
I just I remember her shaking it at people. I
remember her picking it up and just you know, talking
with it with her hands.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
So Chris is saying, she distinctly remembers her banging that too,
So yeah, yeah, weird.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I personally would have used it on some of those
loser brains.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
But throw it across the room, I am boomerang it,
grab it back like the shoe, said Eddie Murphy. I
can't remember who did that. I think it was Eddie Murphy.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I could be wrong. Okay, Mark, what do you have?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Uh, let's see, I've lost my page. I accidentally closed it.
Oh the birds, the birds. I remember the birds being
black and white, but apparently it's always been color, which.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Is really weird because that was like Alfred Hitchcock, one.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Of the yeah that was in sixty three. Now they
had color, so yeah, I guess that's yeah probable, But
I thought, for her heart, I thought he had done
it in black and white.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
And oh yeah, I remember second color.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Huh uh.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
The lady who I can always forget her name, the
lady who was in the Birds.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Melanie Griffith's mom. I can't remember her name, Janet.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Janet can tell something any uh.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
I did find a couple of stories that she had
told when she was doing interviews that it always confused
her because people would come up to her and say,
it's so nice that they finally colorized your old movie,
and she was just like, I don't know what you're
talking about. It was never colorized. It was always in
color from the very beginning. Really yeah, yeah, so it's

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not Yeah, apparently this isn't an a new Mandela unless
her memories of that happening are now new.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
I was way off. It's tippy hedron. Yeah, you're right, insid.
I was just looking it up tippy hedron.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
So yeah, that's I don't know, it's weird. It is
totally weird.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
It is a strange one.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, I remember it being black and white. Now, Like
I said, it's been thirty five, forty years since I
watched it.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
I went when I may have watched it on a
black and white TV too, I just didn't realize it
was in color. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I had a black and white TV in my
room for a long time, so that may be why
I remember it.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Shoot, I had a black and white TV in my
bedroom when my oldest.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Son was a baby, So I mean that's distinctly possible.
We're just old and had black and white TV, right, Hey.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
You talk about yourself, not me.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Old old.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
I may have had a black and white TV clear
up until I was twelve or thirteen, okay.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Which is about the same age as probably you were
when my son was born. So you know, actually it's
probably pretty accurate, it's for sure.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I don't know. I don't know. Like I said, some
of these could be explained away, you know. But I
mean there's a lot of people who claim to see
see it in the movies and said it was black
and white.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Interesting. So alrighty, can you pop a screen up for me?
I can thank you this is one that's popped up
Richard Simmons never having worn a sweatband, and I always
remember him and.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Even I put the the bracelets there used to be, Yeah,
the Richard Simmons set that came with wristbands and the headband.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
That's why I added the Halloween costume. It even includes
the the the sweat bands in it. But I pulled, like,
you know, his sweat into the oldies and stuff and
none of those have it. But I remember because it
made his head look like a peanut, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Bro. Yeah, yeah, Phil remembers it too. So we're not crazy.
Well maybe we are, but not about this. That's right.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Boogie down the pounds. That's hilarious.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
I had to add that one in there because it
was just so funny. Oh.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
This was always torture for me in high school and
gym class. Shultice, our gym teacher. This was punishment for us.
If she had to be like gone and we had
a substitute and she found out we weren't great for
the substitute. We would spend a week doing sweating to
the oldies out in the gym in front of the
boys class. It was the worst.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
That is hilarious.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
And the hilarious thing was is that she was still
there when my daughter was going to high school and
she came home complaining one day because she was making
a deuced sweat to the sweat and to the oldies,
and Raymond was like, if I had to say sparkle
one more time, I'm gonna cry.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
That's awesome, Oh, Enzo, that's funny. He watched the whole
Tom Baker run on a black and white TV with
the rabbit ears on top.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yes, that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Now, I did watch tom Baker in color because that
came on in the late afternoon and I was the
only one in the house, so I got to watch
it on color. But it was so snowy because we
had to go turn the yeah you get the public

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television channel in witch Taal. We had to go turn
it just right, and it was.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's funny, wiggle the ears.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Little.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
At least you didn't have to like stand up there
and like hold a part of it. Step forward, two steps,
all right.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
We had an outside aerial and you could the TV
was over by the door, and so somebody could sit
in the living room and yell out the door at
one of us kids turning the the pipe or the
aerial by hand, and so.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Said it improved the Baker era special effects. Yeah yeah,
it kind of probably hid the trash candleics a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, but you know, those storylines, those classics, they are,
They're the best. I love the John pertwe episodes just
as much too. So anyway, I'm dating myself again.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
I'm right there with you with my dad speaking of
the horror flex let's keep going with those. So this
one absolutely just weirded me out and I had to
go and double check on it, and it's true. So
in the movie The Shining that we all know, the
very famous scene with the twin girls at the end
of the hallway the creepy looking kids, apparently the famous

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hexagon carpet is now missing out of that scene. Now
it is just a plain gray carpet. The only time
you see the hexagon carpet is in the one scene
with the boy and the tricycle. It has left the
rest of the film, which is absolutely ridiculous. I have
a T shirt with the print on it with the

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two girls, So.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, seriously weird because I remember the hexagon.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
Yeah, iconic, it is and I can't imagine that it
would have become iconic having only been in a you know,
one scene scene right right without the girls.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, doesn't make sense, not at all. But I mean,
I can't see that becoming such a famous thing if
it was only in the one scene. I just I
don't understand.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Hold on just a second.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah, I was gonna find it.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Let me unmute myself. Yeah that is weird. That doesn't
even look right. Pull it back just a little bit
because it darked it out there.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
You go, yeah, I don't work.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
No, it doesn't mm hmm weird.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
Yeah, it's gone totally strange.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Another one that I have is apparently and so what
full disclosure, he has.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Never seen the Shining.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh homework. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
Yeah. Another interesting one I found was that apparently Charles
Schultz of Peanuts fame, Uh, his last name isn't spelled
the way that I've always thought it was spelled, And
it looks really weird if you spell it out, So

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Schultz s h u l t z is.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Now s h u l z h.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
It's like shoals.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
I just alright, I'm trying to pitch it in my head,
and I think I always remember the tea being in there.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, we should all know what it looks like because
it was written very large on the last panel of
every Peanuts run in the paper.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Like them, I looked at Peanuts every weekend in the
Sunday papers. I love the Sunday comics. I loved the
weekday comics, the black and white ones in the Witchita
Eagle all the time. And I remember the tea in there.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, yeah, I flipped over to it to pull it up.
You just let me switch over screens here if you
could pop that up for me. Mark, Oh, we should
have waited. The mandela on this one is a lot
of people are remembering Snoopy's tail as being black, and

(27:30):
it's not. It's black and white.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
In fact, I don't remember either way.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
At work today when I remember it being black and white,
and I had hollered at my boss and I was like, Hey,
what color Snoopy's tail and she immediately said black, and
I was like, no, it's black and white, and she
was like, really, the auto phil on Google has tea

(27:56):
and shoulders.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Huh. Interesting, that's weird.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
That is weird.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
That's weird. Weird. Weird, weird You want me to pull
this all right? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (28:09):
I had to, had to blow my nose. I didn't
think everybody wanted to hear that. Again, I apologize to
everybody at home. I am just not I'm not looking
my best right now.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
There's going around. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
Yeah, I'm quite frankly, I'm shocked that I've not been
sick before now. I usually right after the para con
is when it hits me, but it took a little
while this time.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Phil, Remember, Yeah, I do too, Phil. That's she's the
only person that I've heard say so far that she
remembers it black. But I mean it was on the
internet as as a mendelas and other people remembering it
that way.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
Oh, and this is a good time to mention if
if anyone listening thinks, oh no, it's always been that way,
that one must not be true. That's it could be
true for someone else if our theories are right about
skipping lines, and everybody's going to be from the same lines.
So you could you have come from a line where

(29:09):
it was that particular way. It doesn't mean that it's
not a mandela for someone else.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Right, And you might go back.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
Yeah, that's one of the things that just makes me mad.
I had when we did the first Mandela one back
a couple of years ago. I had joined a couple
of Facebook groups that were devoted to Mandela effects that
people were coming up with, and I had to get
off of it within a couple of hours because if
you said anything that just one person didn't agree with,

(29:41):
Oh no, it was always that way, then they would
like a person off. You know, Oh you're fake, that's
not real.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
That's the first one. When we talked about doing this show.
That's the first place I went and looked, was it
some of the Facebook groups and some of them that
I used to be on aren't there anymore. And I
noticed one of them was saying that they're either disappearing
or the admins have gone and they're just gone wild,
and I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
What's up with that.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
That's kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
I think a lot of them imploded. It sounds like
they did because the Internet is a very frightening place
people because they're not seeing people face to face. This
is not a Mendela effect, and this is not really
paranormal at all, but I have noticed social media brings

(30:33):
out the worst and so many people because they're not
communicating face to face, they are saying and doing things
online that they would never say or do a person
because they have divorced themselves from reality.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Ye, keyboard warriors saying something would never say to someone's face.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Or never even think, I mean jerky jerks.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yes, everybody at home, please remember that before you go
and say something nasty to a comment that you saw online.
Remember there's a person behind that.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah. It just it seems like social networking is anything
but social.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, and so said because if they did, meaning if
they did say it to their face, they would have
got clobbered, absolutely exactly, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Right, Yeah, there's a reason that politeness became a thing,
and so you wouldn't end up with your nose broke.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Just said it started getting worse than twenty twenty. Yeah,
everybody went a little faral in twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, Yeah, that was a bit on the ridiculous side.
It was crazy, nothing.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Better to do, Let's just spread it hate, Yeah yeah, basically.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
All right.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, man said and said, I think we've we've just
seen a lot of that with THEE to X slash
Twitter exodus. Yeah, yeah. People are getting off of it
like rats jumping off his sinking ship.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Right mm hm alrighty, anybody got a new one?

Speaker 5 (32:14):
I do?

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Do you have any more?

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Mark?

Speaker 6 (32:16):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Not?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Off the top of my head. I had a couple
of found and then I lost my accidentally hit the
X on my page.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Ah, I have a few. I know Jess has a
few more too, Yeah, I do, okay, this one. The
Statue of Liberty is located on Liberty Island, not Ellis Island.
I've always thought it was on Ellis Island. I was
there in twenty eighteen and I rode the ferry. I

(32:43):
didn't go to Ellis Island, but I rode the ferry
by the Statue of Liberty, and I'm pretty sure we
talked about it being on Ellis Island. Yeah, it was
really strange.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I don't actually see the statue from Ellis Island, so
that may just be confusion. It could be. I don't know,
but I yeah, yeah, because I remember hearing people talking
about going to Ellis Island and passing the Statue of
Liberty or seeing the Statue of Liberty from Ellis Island,

(33:18):
so oh yeah, I don't ever remember hearing it called
Liberty Island though, Yeah, I've never.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Where the statue is. Yeah, it's called Liberty Island. It's
it's the two separate.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Islands, and says they're very close to each other.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, that's satin.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I don't know if that one may, I don't know.
If that I don't know. And then I could have
just jumped between universes a few too many times and
I have no idea, or I could be losing my mind,
which is absolutely possible. Right.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
We could also add so if you haven't seen some
of our past shows on Mandela's, there's actually a couple
others about the Statue of Liberty in particular. So another
one is how many platforms she stands on. It seems
to change all the time, how many risers she's on
underneath her base pedestal. And then the big one that

(34:19):
drives everybody crazy is the fact that you're not allowed
to go up to the viewing platform on the torch.
There's many, many people even today that said that they
have pictures of going up into the torch and getting
to look out over the landscape, but they claim now

(34:41):
that that was closed in the thirties and no one
has been up their sense except for maintenance.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
My friend Anne, she is from New York, and we
had asked her after the show. I don't know if
you remember that, and she distinctly remembers doing a class
trip going up and standing in the torch and looking
out and she she was born is she She's like
fifty two now, so yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
The interesting thing is all these people claim that they
had pictures and stuff from when they were younger, you know,
going up there with their families and taking photos, but
no one can now produce a photo of it. They
go back to find it and they're gone, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't remember. She didn't was did the Black Tom incident?
Is that what damaged the Statue of Liberty? Yeah? So
and that yeah, Black Tom that was actually a terrorist
attack by the German government on yeahwet was the first one. Yeah,

(35:45):
it was swept under the rug because they didn't want
to be seen as you know, having allowed that to happen.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Mm hmm. There is a little plaque dedicated to it,
though on the Statue of Liberty. You have to hunt
it up though. It's a really tiny, little black plaque
down in a very nondescript area on one of the
bases that talks about. It's like a little quick, like
three sentence blurb on it.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Huh.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
But most people don't know that it ever happened. It's
the very first full terrorist attack on American soil, and
nobody knows about it.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Right, Okay, So Enzo is saying that is let's see,
this is Ellis Island over here, and that this is
Liberty Island here.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Interesting, so I can see why they could get mixed up.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah, they are pretty close.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
But like I said, I remember reading about people looking
at the Statue of Liberty as they sailed to Ellis Island,
and that could be construed as she was on Ellis
Island where they were passing her on the way to
Ellis Island.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
So we have to look back at my photos. I
know we came out like somewhere in here wherever, you know.
I can't remember where it is that you leave on
the ferries. There's a ferry there, so it must be
from over here, and I remember going by it, but
I really thought it was Ellis Island and went by Maybe.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Not well, they could have said that Alis Island and
you're going by both of them, and maybe so, So
I don't know that that could go either way. Absolutely
go either way. Interesting some of Here's the thing about
a lot of these Mandel effects. Sometimes I think it's

(37:32):
just people making a mistake. And some of these I
think are really really weird because I don't remember it
that way. It's like the origell thing. I always thought
it was O R A G E. L.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
And so instead of coming from the open ocean, you
would pass Liberty Island to get to Ellis Island. Okay,
so you would pass the Statue of Liberty to get
to Ellis Island.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Okay, that makes sense because they're right, I mean they're
swimming distance. Mm hmm. All right.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Here's one that I have that I always thought was strange.
And I pulled this because it shows Shaggy from all
all all Eras. Yeah. I had always recalled him having
a very pronounced Adam's apple, and apparently he has never
had an atom's apple.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
He did because when he would swallow Scooby snacks, when
he swallowed them, yes, every because he would like throw
him up in the air and catch him in his
mouth one at a time, and every time one went down,
his Adam's apple would bob.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
It was funny because and when he would do it,
say the wings or whatever, and he would go you
would see it go up and down.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Yeah, or when he was scared, you know, he was like,
you know, scoop and then it would Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Here's here's a bit of trivia. What is was Shaggy's
last name?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh, I don't know how. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Norville was his first name. I can't remember the last name.
It's something fairly normal, though it is very normal, uh Norvil.
Though that was the weird part of it. I understand
what I would go by Shaggy too.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
His last name is Rogers.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yes, Rogers, Yes, I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, Shaggy Rogers, Norvil Rogers.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Learned something every day, right, somebody's parents.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, no kidding, Okay, Jess, you have one.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
Yeah, So this one kind of weirded me out too.
If you think back into the nineties, all the supermodels
that were around at that time, they were really big
in the nineties. I don't know if you'll remember that
or not. Supermodels were everywhere. Kate Moss, the famous model
who had the gap in her teeth that because she

(39:59):
was famous for or she never got that gap fixed
and she kind of wore it loud and proud. That
gap is now missing, and apparently she never had it.
And I went back and looked because I was like, no,
because I remember there was a particular Genes commercial that
she used to do and she said some famous line
with it and I can't remember what it was, but
she smiles really big after she says the line, like

(40:20):
the camera zoom zone on her and she says it
with that gap. I watched the commercial. It's not there anymore.
She's never had a gap it might have been and
what was even more disturbing, And I was like, did
she get it fixed by that time? And I'm just
misremembering the timeline. So I went back and found some
of her original modeling photos from back when she was

(40:42):
like ten, eleven, twelve. That gap is not there.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Huh. That's weird.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
That is weird, really strange.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, because I can picture it now that you've mentioned it.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Yeah, she was kind of famous for that gap, right there.
Another one that's kind of weirding mean, I just I
just found this one today. Yeah, I've got that one
right there.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
Superman, the original Superman, well not original original, but original enough.
Christopher Reeves is apparently has no S at the end
of his name. His name is Christopher Reeve, and I
went and looked and looked even back through his family
line to see if maybe he changed it at some point,
and it just didn't take. It's Reeve all the way

(41:32):
back through S on the end, No Reeves.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Now I remember Reeves, but I I don't have a
perfect memory. But I always I've always said Christopher Reeves.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Yeah. Yeah, So another one that I found, and it's
weird for me. I mentioned it to Mark and Pam backstage,
and they didn't think seemed to think.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
It was as weird.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
But I've always known Donna Summers with an S, but
now they're claiming it's just Donna Summer.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I remember Donna Summer, but that doesn't mean I was,
you know, she wasn't a household name. So I can
A either not remember right or B you know, could
have jumped around a little bit on the timelines. You
never know.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
Yeah, I might be misremembering because of maybe, like Suzanne Summers,
maybe I attributed an S to the other Summers too.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Maybe I just said Donna Summers all the time. I
don't know, I really remember Summers though. It seems like,
yeah and so said it changed from Reeves after he
found that penny in his pocket.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
The penny.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
I yell at him every time he goes to pull
that penny out er And I hope everybody at home
knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Yeah, yes, I can't remember the beginning of it. Something
in time?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
What is it? In time?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Somewhere in time?

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I was close something in time.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
I used to cry watching that movie when I was younger.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yes, He's like, no, don't pull up the penny, don't
do it.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
He never listened either, he always pulled it out anyway.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Oh then I know rude, so rude.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
Okay, do you want to do another one?

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mark, can you pop that up for me?

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Please?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Right this one.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Tony the Tiger has always had a blue nose. I
did not recall him having a blue nose ever, but
I went to Kellogg's website and found a picture of
him from the seventies, and he's back earlier than that,
but as early except for the actual very earliest, and
I want to say that was from like the thirties
or forties. He had a black nose, but it was

(43:57):
black and white too. Yeah, yeah, he's always had a
blue nose.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
Why would he have it doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I don't remember his face looking that freaking awful, right,
looks like somebody smacked him in the face with a
two by four.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
It does, doesn't it flatten him out? That's crazy?

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Right?

Speaker 4 (44:29):
And this just this one, whoops, I'm wrong button here
we were talking about one of yours, Michaelangelo's David.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Yes, do you want to talk about that?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
I pulled a picture okay.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
Yeah, pulled the picture up. So look at this insanity.
Pam actually just like sent me a link to this,
just like last week, I think it was.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
It wasn't very long ago.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
Yeah, yeah, like a we ago or so, saying check
out his pupils they are now hearts. Now, I'm gonna
I'm gonna say this. I am an art student. I
went to school for art. I had to take art
history lessons. I have seen Michael Ow's Michael Angelo's David

(45:21):
in person. I have seen it in person. It is
on inspiring. It is one of the most gorgeous things
I've ever seen. And I think I would remember if
he had hearts in his eyes?

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Is that not the strageous?

Speaker 4 (45:36):
It just sounds weird.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I that's just weird. Of course, I've never looked at
his face that closely as I have.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
I'm you know, I studied art history too in college,
and you have to study it, you have to like,
you know, look very closely at it. Yeah, and how
would you take something that is so perfect specimen of
a human and give it hearts for pupils.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
Yeah, it's like an afterthought, like somebody came in afterwards
and chiseled that in because they thought it'd be funny. Yeah,
It's just it's like a graffiti on a masterpiece or something.
I don't understand. It's kind of like when the thinker changed. Yeah,
that drives me insane, or like when not saying that
it's high art, but when the painting of the dogs

(46:33):
playing poker completely changed. Yep, I can't handle that. Wow.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah that is strange. But you know, and we honestly,
now that I'm thinking about this, on David, we did
actually study his eyes because the way that Michaelangelo did
his eyes one is faced off a little bit in
a different direction. So no matter where you're looking at
him from, you see him, you know, you, yeah, see

(47:01):
the direction his eyes are going. There was a whole
a whole section that we studied on how he did
the gaze.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
Yeah, I can't imagine that this is you know that
that was what it was meant to be. I mean
I have seen him in person. The muscles. The way
the muscles are carved is just so amazing. It's actually
like you can see like their skin with muscle bulk
underneath of it. And how you get a slab of

(47:36):
marble to do that is beyond me. So for all
of this fantastic artistry that is involved with this one
statue to come up and then chisel to hearts and
not even like a heartthart mocked hearts? Was that even
a thing back then to make those kind of sure?

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I don't think so. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
When they started. That's a good question. When did they start?
Enzo google that for us. When did hearts become cartoonish
the shape that they are now? That's a very good question. No,

(48:22):
I can't either, because I mean, look at the detail everywhere,
and you're right, the muscles, you can see everything on him,
the expression, you know, just the it's an absolutely gorgeous
piece of art.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Actually, twelve fifties is when it says, really, so, that's
the first known depiction of the classic art. Huh huh.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
It's right interesting still.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
I just I can't imagine that I went through all
of it, those years of art studies and not have,
you know, could have completely looked that over.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
And between the three of us. Our heads are full
of fun facts. This is like the ultimate fun fact.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
You know exactly.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Oh yeah, it's weird. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
It's insane.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I don't even under actually kind of it is.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
This is the one that look right, this one gets
me probably more than any of them do. Is is
this one because it's just very off putting.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
That's so, that's uncanny Valley right there. Mm hmm it is.
It's strange, turns the whole statue into uncanny Valley. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
And I mean I don't know if you noticed this
or not, Pam, because I know that you studied art too.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
David has always had kind of of a like a
pensive type of look to him, like he's looking over
and wondering, or you know, looking fondly off and contemplating.
And now he looks like he's leering because his eyes
are so just kind of you know, pointed.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah, it's kind of angry.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
He's like, yeah, his eyebrowser Yeah, he's like, don't judge
me for my heart eyes.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
How are you thinking that, boy? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (50:33):
In the middle like it ends up put up. In
the Middle Ages, the pine cone shaped heart was represented
with a rounded bass the early years of the fourteenth century.
That the scalp shape of the Saint Valentine's heart. Ohm, weird,
that is weird.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
It makes me wonder if when the heart shape started,
is now a mandela too to make it work.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I mean, it could be we skipped universes and that
is wild.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Okay, So my big question is what do you guys,
why do you feel is the ultimate reason behind mendelas?
Why are mandela is occurring? I know we talked a
little bit about maybe cern firing up. There's another uh
thought out there that maybe it's a conspiracy where the

(51:29):
government is pushing to see how much they can erase
or change and see how much slides by us without
us catching it too.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yeah, now that that actually makes some sense.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
I mean it could also be simulation theory. Yeah, it
could very well be that somebody's tweaking with the game.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, well maybe from the past.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Bomb by David.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
What are you trying to tell us with your heart eyeballs?

Speaker 6 (52:08):
It's a code for something. Everybody at home, scramble and
figure it out before it before it's too late it disappears.
H let's see, all right, moving on, I'm going to
hit an old one, but it's changed, so everybody, or

(52:32):
if you you haven't heard, another very big mandela for
everyone is the famous snow white mirror Mirror on the Wall,
which has since changed to magic Mirror on the wall.
And that one was completely strange for everyone when it
first popped up about three years ago. We talked about

(52:54):
it a lot about how you know, we knew for
certain it couldn't have been that, because, especially us girls,
we grow up saying it because you play, you know
why you pick mirror and you pick up your little
hand mirror and you talk to it and stuff, and
you know, we knew that was wrong. But it apparently
has changed again. Not the first part, not the magic
mirror part that has stayed the same as it had

(53:17):
changed to originally, but now it's the second part that
has changed. So we all remember it as mirror mirror
on the wall, Who's the fairest of them all? Right,
it's now magic mirror on the wall, who is the
fairest one of all? And I went back and checked it.

(53:37):
I went back to that original part in the movie,
and it has changed to that. It doesn't even look
right how she's saying it. Like we all know what
that scene looks like like in full detail, seen it
so many times, seen her. You know, she's she's talking
to the large mirror on the wall and she steps
back and or you know, or Kate flares out, and

(53:58):
you know, it doesn't look right when she says it.
It doesn't sound right. It's changed again. Interesting, very very strange.
So now the whole two lines is wrong.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
H Gail Gaddo can say whatever she wants. I would
agree with that, And so I said, normally I think
it's just people misremembering things. But even as a kid,
I would have made some kind of Stain joke about
the berenstainbears, right.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Right, Yeah, and that's the big one. Everybody everybody knows,
almost everybody remembers it different.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
Yeah, I will see, Like I discussed this before, like
I've been drawing ever since I could pick up a crayon,
and I used to collect the Bernstein beer books and
I would copy and make the covers. I would, you like,
get a scrap piece of paper and see if I
could draw the entire cover and recreate it. And it

(55:02):
used to drive me nuts because I didn't understand why
the E worked in there like that. You know, I
was very little. I didn't understand different languages and stuff
like that. You know, why is it all ei blah
blah blah blah blah. I thought it was strange. And
I remember working through that, you know, drawing the E
in and stuff. I didn't really know cursive yet, so

(55:23):
I was really struggling to get that in there. So
why do I have that memory? If it was always stain?

Speaker 3 (55:31):
I always remembered Stein Benstein Bear, And I think I
saw somebody actually had copies of books that said that.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Yeah, there's there's I saw what I was looking through
for some There's a guy I don't remember why. He
was on TikTok or YouTube one of the other and
he was showing a book that his uncle had, I think,
and he also he said, my uncle must have figured
out some of this stuff because he had a baron
Stainber's book that had ste I n And he also

(56:03):
had a fruity loom shirt that had the corn coopia.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Behind cornicopia, and they said that never existed. I remember
that it was all the commercial shirt.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Yeah, and I you know I had boys. I remember,
you know, tidy whities. They all had the little cornicopya
on them.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
I used to help my grandma iron out my grandfather's
work clothes because he worked for Phillips. He had to
be in a suit every day, and he had all
those white T shirts that he would have to wear
underneath his white dress shirts. And of course we didn't
iron those, but while she ironed, I was in charge
of pulling those white shirts out and getting them out

(56:46):
real nice and crisp and getting them folded up neatly.
And they all had the cornicopia.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
So I don't I.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Remember seeing them all the time, because you know, he
would wear what seven or eight shirts a week, you know,
change out.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
Of one and.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Oh, I know, I ran across to another. One they
were talking about has changed twice. Fruit loops went from
it originally was f r o O t R f
r o O T loops, and then it moved to
fruit f R U I T loops and now it's
back to f r o ot loops again.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
Yep, so weird.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
That is weird because we were talking about that one. Yeah,
in fact, that's probably on one of our old shows,
Mandela Shows.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
It probably is.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Actually, in fact, I pulled up all of our old ones,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
I have all of our old ones. We can always
hit back on. Who Yeah, another interesting one I found,
and this is a newer one. So this is a
list of emojis that have gone missing, which I thought
was completely interesting because I remember a couple of these.
Apparently now missing is the dragonfly, the fork, which I

(58:01):
thought was really weird.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
I remember.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
Yeah, So now all you can get is there's a
fork and a knife together, and there's a spoon by itself,
but there's no fork anymore, just on its own. The
water well is now missing, the wishing well, I remember
that one. The Witch's cauldron, yeah, never existed. The dumb bell,

(58:26):
the workout dumbbell is gone. The robber, the thief, uh,
the hiker.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Guy, uh huh oh, yeah, yeah I remember that one.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
Yeah, the hiker guy never existed apparently, the swordfish.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Which I don't remember that one with the big nose.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
Yeah, and the seahorse.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I remember the sea horse.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
Huh it was never there, apparently, weird.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Yeah, Okay, I wonder, and so put up the fork
and knife together. I wonder if they took that away
because you could say fork.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
You well, they left the egg plan in.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Oh that's true.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
That's a very good point. That just yeah, that just
blew that theory, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (59:17):
Really, I mean the peach and the egg plant and
the taco are still there.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
So, oh that's funny.

Speaker 6 (59:27):
Yeah you Mark, go ahead, Yeah, Mark.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Sorry, there's something really weird that happened to me last night.
I was going to like, we didn't have like a
little mini earthquake or anything last night?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Did we?

Speaker 6 (59:43):
Not? That I know of, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
The reason I'm asking is I have a picture that's
been hanging above my dresser in my bedroom for months,
and uh, last night I was just I had the
lights were out, I had put my phone down, I
was drifting off to sleep, and it fell off the
wall and scared the shit out of me because it,

(01:00:09):
you know, it fell down. It it hit the top
of the dresser, which was a really loud bang. And
then it fell on the floor, which is even a
bigger bang. Scared the crap out of me. So I
was like, come or no, the nails still on the wall,
the nails still on the wall, and the hangars still
on the back of the picture.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Oh I know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
So I was like, did we have like a mini earthquake.

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
Maybe it's time to clean your apartment back out again.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I think you are right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Earthquakes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Yeah, we need to because I was going to do
that today and today got a little crazy at work.
I just gret a chance to It would have been
midnight ish, between midnight and one probably.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
All right, well he's looking that up. I'm going to
keep going because I have a a few more cool.
This one I found super interesting and I ran onto
it by kind of by accident, and I was hunting
around online to see, you know, if you know who
had posted you know, like new Mandela or whatever, and
I found this one and I actually had to go
look at myself because I didn't quite believe it. I

(01:01:18):
thought it was all kind of hoke them at first.
But apparently the torture devices, the Iron Maiden, which we
all know, you know, the big kind of person shaped
coffin that had the spikes on the inside that they
would compress into the person so you would bleed out slowly.
That one, the Brazen Bull, the bull with the fire

(01:01:40):
they would build up in its stomach. And the Pearl
of Anguish, which is basically like a backwards pair of
clamps you would like put inside of someone somewhere and
then open.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
God.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Right, apparently none of those ever existed. They're not real,
they're made up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Which is a bunch of crap. Because we were talking
about this backstage Iron Maiden. I distinctly remember.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
It being on.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Uh that's where the the the group Iron Maiden got
their name, and I remember it being talked about an
MTV back in the eighties.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
But they're saying now like Iron Maiden was a made
up thing back now it was. It was never used,
it was never even invented.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Back then.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
It was something new and modern that was made up for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
It makes no sense.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
It makes no sense at all, because I remember seeing uh,
medieval drawings and stuff of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Mm hm, so I don't Yeah, there there was an earthquake.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Wow, Oh really.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Oh that's the new Madrid, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
It says M three point four were at eight twenty two.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
Oh, it was at eight twenty two though not it
but it could have.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Knocked something loose.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
It's weird though or not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
There was one yesterday, huh in the right area, so hmm. Interesting,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Ian said. Wasn't the Iron Maiden a device worn over
the head with a piece of metal that held the
tongue down.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
No, The Iron Maiden was the gigantic person shaped coffin
that usually sat up right and they would put the
person in there and then slowly close the door and
it would pierce them partially, just enough not to kill them,
but to let them bleed out slowly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
That is awful. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Of course I guess it is for torture, so yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
But dang, but apparently they never ever used it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Maybe they threatened people with it. I don't know. Now
I'm looking for a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:11):
So yeah, well, Pam's looking another one that I found
that was super interesting. Here's another art related one for me.
We'd actually talked about this on one of the last
Mandela shows that we did. We talked about the fact
that the chalice had moved in da Vinci's the Last Supper,
that it was no longer in front of Christ in

(01:04:32):
the front. That had actually moved down the table a
little ways, along with some bread. I believe the bread
had moved. Now if you go and look at it,
the chalice is completely gone. It's not there anymore. But
there's a likeness of it in shadow above the apostle
on the furthest left up on the wall above his head.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
That is weird. It's super weird.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Here's an iron maiden, yep, that is weird.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
That is yeah, terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
They claim that these are all new modern mock ups
of something that never existed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Huh yeah, nineteenth century is supposedly when they showed up.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
It's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
What was someone you just were talking about, jess h
looking it up?

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
The last the chalice, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
The chalice is moved again, and now it's not even
on the table now. It's a weird likeness above the
last apostles head on the left, and it looks weird.
I don't know why it's up there or what the
purpose is. It's kind of a glowy outline of a
chalice above the last one's head strange.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, it is weird.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Oh, pull it up, Mark, I'm trying to find it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
All right, hold on, I'm going to share it. Your scream.

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
I just noticed Mark's name, the angry mustache.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
There you go. It's pretty good image of it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
Yep, there's a faint outline of it above the last
apostles head on the left.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Oh, the damn blue.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yeah, it's meaning on their wall. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:44):
Yes, for me, I don't know about you all. But
the chalice originally sat right near Christ's uh his hand
is his right hand are or his left hand or
right is where it used to set for me. And

(01:07:06):
then there was a loaf of Yeah, there used to
be a loaf of bread for me near his other hand.
Because when I was younger, I always assumed that was
a nod to like, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Oh sorry, Mark, I didn't know you're pulling me up.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
The wine and the loaves and the fishes, you know
what I mean? That story That was always like a
nod to that for me. But that's all gone now.
Now it's just little bits and pieces, and they aren't
even on the plates. If you take a close look,
all the food is off the plates and just yeah,

(01:07:44):
it's really weird. It looks like somebody came by and
like like a cat came up there while they weren't
looking and knocked all their food off.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Huh, I I promise you my cats are not. My
monitor just went out. I cannot see anything. Can you
guys see anything?

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Oh no, we see what is on your screen from
your monitor?

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
All right, give me just a second. I can't even
see to block anything. When I have to go over here,
I think I might have unplugged my monitor.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Uh, we'll go think we'll continue on, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
That is strange.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Because I'm pulling.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
For somebody who has studied art for a good portion
of her life. These changes are weird me out. I
could understand if I wasn't so deep into some of
this stuff, like I hadn't studied some of this stuff,
you know, I could play it off like, oh, I
just muss be misremembering it, or maybe somebody did a

(01:09:00):
copy of it and stuff wasn't a different place and
that's the one I'm remembering.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
No. See, That's what concerns me because what if that
is the case, What if they're just trying to see
what we can we can swallow you know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:13):
What we can swallow?

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
And what week?

Speaker 6 (01:09:17):
It's crazy?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
It is crazy. Are you back?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
I am back?

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
So one theme is yeah, nothing, we're just talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
The other weird thing for me on that that painting
is you don't have to flip back to it or
anything like that. It's just me. So I remember, uh
the I think it's the third Apostle over. It's the
one that looks very feminine, and a lot of scholars
assume that it must be a representation of Mary Magdalene,

(01:09:52):
but other people were like, no, it's just one of
the apostles, and it just happens to look a little feminine.
She has changed for me too, she's not near as
feminine looking as she used to be. Really, yeah, it's strange.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Way gooway, m h. I can't hit these, but I
can't blow up. I don't know why the Last Supper
is on LinkedIn, but.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
I'm talking about Oh sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
It seems like there's a lot of people's representations of
the Last Supper.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Yeah, there's a bunch.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
Yeah, there's tons, But I know the original. I know
the Da Vinci one. I've studied him, so I can't.
It's it's taken some wild turns. That one changes has
changed multiple times for me at least. And I was
going to say, while we're on the whole religious aspect
of things, I also found a new one. We talked

(01:10:57):
about before about the changes in the Bible where it
had gone from the Lion and the Lamb to the
wolf and the Lamb, And yeah, I found another new
one that I had not heard yet. I saw where
someone had posted that the King James version of the Bible,

(01:11:17):
the one that we all kind of grew up in
if you attended church at any time, it now mentions
the word dragons thirty five times. And I went and
looked it up, and it's absolutely true. It's all over
the place. I think it's like fourteen times in the
the the Newer, and how many other times and the

(01:11:39):
the Old.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
So I remember it being mentioned in Revelations. But that's
the only place I remember being.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Yeah, I was, I was.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
I had pulled up the listing it's in Psalms, and
oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Yeah, because I had looked, I pulled the one I
have here, and it's the New International version and it
doesn't say that in Psalms. It was like Psalms Psalm's
A forty two nineteen.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
Yeah, I can actually freedom here. I found a site
that has the listings of the exact ones and what
they say. So Psalms ninety one thirteen, thou shalt tread
upon the lion and adder the young lion, and the dragon,
shalt thou trample under feet jobs forty one twenty one.

(01:12:35):
His breath kindless coals, and a flagoeth out of his mouth,
you know, goes on to talk about the dragon Isaiah
thirteen twenty two. And the wild beasts of the island
shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their
pleasant palaces.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Hmm, that's wild. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
Psalms one forty eight seven Praise the Lord from the Earth,
dragons and all deeps and.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
So said they were talking about dinosaurs, maybebe But.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Regardless of what they're talking about, I think it's very
interesting that this has suddenly popped up for everyone. I
don't remember dragons being all throughout the Bible either. No,
I don't either, because I would have been like this
is badass, right, I don't remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Yeah, where's the dragons?

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Oh, believe me, Like I'm not very religious at all,
but I will say I grew up in a very
religious family. My grandparents taught Sunday school, and my mother
taught Sunday school, and I taught Sunday school up until
I was seventeen yep so, and I taught world religions

(01:13:48):
because I was a little bit, you know, I just
wanted everybody to know what was beyond, because we were Methodists.
I wanted people to know, the kids to know that
what was beyond just ours. So I would think that
I would have heard about all these dragons listed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
In the I don't. I mean, yeah I was. I
went to the Baptist Church, and yeah, I don't ever
remember if.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
We'd been talking about dragons, I would have remembered because
I want a dragon, right, I.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Was all over dragons. I would have been all about that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Yeah, thou art my new best friend. Oh dragon breezy,
fire upon mine enemies.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
Oh, Pam's joining us with the t.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
That's the second time I've sneezed.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
What the heck?

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Actually, I've sneezed more than that. It's like four times. Yeah,
don't share, no sharing germs.

Speaker 6 (01:14:41):
I have two more. So. Another interesting one I found
was if you remember back in the nineties the famous
got milk ads where all of the celebrities would take
the photos you found in the magazines with the little
milk mustache or they there were the commercial ones where
they would talk about it. But apparently, excuse me, I okay,

(01:15:06):
apparently a lot of those ads are now missing. They
were never made. And I went back and checked on
some of them, and one in particular, I actually remember
Selena Gomez and it was a rather new one. It
was one from the early two thousands. Apparently she never
did it, but I actually can remember what it looked

(01:15:27):
like in my head. It was a magazine article, one
that I had seen her in. Yeah, they're like multiple
ones are now missing. People remember their favorite celebrities doing
the got milk ads, and now they're gone, and the
celebrities are saying that they never did the got milk ads. Huh,

(01:15:51):
it's really strange.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
That is strange. I remember, I can't remember what they
used to make the milk, but it wasn't milk. Yeah,
it was like white pain or something that they put
on their own. I can't remember what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Yeah, because it doesn't stick like that, right, No, it
doesn't look that white.

Speaker 6 (01:16:17):
Yeah, probably on you. I would think that you would
be a good candidate for a got milk.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Ad yep, got stash, Yeah, the last one that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
I have that and I thought was super interesting too.
I'd found it on a YouTube video that someone was
talking about a personal one for them, and I went
and looked it up, and it's true, and I thought
it was super odd. So apparently caffeine and the ingredients
in power drinks like a Red Bull and stuff like

(01:16:59):
that Monster and stuff like that, they don't actually give
you pep or more energy. All they do is block
whatever it is that what did they call it at
dinno singing so you don't fall asleep. It doesn't actually
give you any y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
No, that's a lie. You've seen me on caffeine, I
do know.

Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
But I went and looked it up and I actually
found some interviews they had done with doctors and stuff
and scientists saying we've never said that it will give
you pep. It only blocks what puts you to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
And see, I just went through a deal. Had I
had a tia earlier this year and they told me
at the doctor's office that the caffeine made my adrenaline
rush and that's what caused my tia. So just for

(01:18:00):
those of you who don't know, think micro mini stroke,
it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Really transient eschemic attack.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yes, it stands for but it's you know, it could
lead to a stroke. And they said that was because
the caffeine kicked my It is a mini stroke, isn't it. Yeah,
it basically by another name that it basically just kicked
my adrenaline.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
That so it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Does apparently, according to the doctor I talked to you
and the nurse and whatnot, you know, cause an adrenaline spike, which.

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
So that would yeah, absolutely, I can't. I can't drink
power drinks because it sends my heart.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Into overload like it I would combine.

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
Yeah, and yeah, if anybody, if you don't know, if
you've never been in contact with Pam while she's on caffeine,
you're welcome. Don't do it, because that that lady is
like a hook, like she is going a mile a
minute and dropping stuff everywhere. She decided to have like

(01:19:11):
a cup of coffee before she left, and every EVP
has her dropping something in the background.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Going sorry, that was we had done it. We had
done an art show that day. So we had gotten
up super early and done it, and then we decided
to do a ghost hunt that night. So I was
already Dragon before we even left. So I was like,
they were like, just drink some coffee, you'll be fine,
And I'm like, y'all don't understand. Oh do it, it'll

(01:19:39):
be fine. Yeah, ricochet rabbit, that's rice.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
Yeah, girlfriends can go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
She's like that squirrel on over the hedge stops and
she calmly steps over the laser beams as it goes across.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Yeah, mile a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
And SOO said we are the only three people that
he knows that are contagious through the internet, right, Dragon,
those are in the Bible. Yeah wah. And he said
we were talking about the Got Milk campaign, and so said,
they use Elmer's glue for all the photos and commercials
in breakfast cereals. Yeah, I know it's something something strange.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
It's delicious.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Yeah, No, I don't handle caffeine well. And that right
there tells you. Okay, So my question is I'm squirreling here.
My question is, why do they want us to think
that caffeine doesn't give you pep?

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
What would be the purpose I don't know. I will
tell you my shop runs on caffeine.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
I don't know. Maybe so they can start adding it
to stuff without us. You know, that's a bad thing.
Who knows if that's even a thing. You know, it's
just a theory.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
So says the elms is probably healthier than the cereal.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
You're probably right.

Speaker 6 (01:21:14):
Hey, you stay away from my rice crispies, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Yeah, or my cheerios. What about coffee.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
I was kind of sitting here because that's the end
of the new ones that I have, But I was
kind of looking through some of our old ones. There's
some crazy stuff I'd forgotten about.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Yeah, there really is a lot of couple of them
out there, and you guys really want to blow your
mind go through some of these. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
A cup of noodle, cup of noodles has no O
in it, It's just cup noodles. What uh huh, go
look it up. I promise that's weird. Yeah, Uncle Sam's
hat there's no red stripes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
What that's not true?

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
This one was one of my favorite sandy cheeks from spongebob'spans.
She never had an air tank, Yes she did.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
She had a fishbowl on her head. Oh did she
not have an air tank? She had an air tank
because she had the it looked like a fish bowl
on her head.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Oh that that was the helmet.

Speaker 6 (01:22:22):
But the tank doesn't exist. It doesn't exist ever, I promise.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Really.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
Yeah, we had the same conversation the last time we did.
We were all like, yeah, oh, I completely remember it. Yeah, babe,
the pig now has hair on its head.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
I forgot about that one. We talked about it last time.
But yeah, I don't remember hair on the head. Oh,
this one.

Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
Freaked me out. I remember this one. Jane Goodall, do
you remember what she was famous for?

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Yeah, for the gorillas or the chimps or something.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
Yeah, it's yeah, every you know gorillas. No, it was
just chimps. Gorilla's in the Mist, Sigourney Weaver, the movie
she did, Sigourney Weaver. It wasn't about Jing Goodall. It
was about Diane Fosse.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
What Diane Fossa not Yeah, that's not right. See this
doesn't even look right. What the hell.

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
His red stripes are now missing? Yeah, and this is
one of those ones that has all the residue, like
every costume and like you know, like artists rendering of
this thing has the stripes, but he doesn't this.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
Yeah, this is the nineteen seventeen recruitment poster. It looks
like they just erased him off the hat.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Yeah, most that is weird.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
Huh.

Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Another one Britney spears is skirt. Do you guys remember
what it looked like from her favorite her.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
Baby Baby or Hit Me One More Time? Yeah, it's
wouldn't it just like plaid? Like a schoolgirls?

Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
It's now a plain black skirt.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Yeah, she has a lot of them, like her famous
video with the red leather. Yeah, and her headset is
now missing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
I remember that one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Yeah, I remember talking about that one.

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
The Eagles the band. It's not the Eagles, it's just Eagles.
There's no V in the front. Yeah. And that looked weird.
It doesn't even look.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Yeah, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
Now, don't get me wrong. So I I am assuming
that when they decided to do this video that they
were kind of doing it as every dude's kind of
wet dream, right, those schoolgirls in a plaid school uniform exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Yeah, with socks socks, Yeah, what it is about socks?
But all guys like.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
Them, they do, you bunch of weirdos.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
We are. I am not gonna lie. I will come right.
I will admit men are we're a little bit cracked.

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
So another one, the Disney movie Pocahontas. Her eyebrows have changed.
They were, you know, like dark and thick, and now
they're super thin and they're red.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Oh my gosh, that doesn't even look right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Yeah, huh right, mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
Now I'm gonna have colors very well.

Speaker 6 (01:26:11):
Yeah, star Worth the three po with the silver.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Leg I remember that one, and so said, let's be honest.
There was a lot of fantasy involved with her videos.
That dress could have been traffic cone orange. That's not
what guys are looking at.

Speaker 7 (01:26:30):
He's not wrong, horrible, okay, the cheshire Cat.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
He didn't say we're all mad here. He said most
everyone is mad here.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
But that's the whole thing we've got. I've got that
on artwork. We're all mad here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
We're all quite mad.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Yeah he said most here because he said I'll let
you in on How does he say that, I'll let
you in on a secret or something? We're all mad here?
How does he say it? I can't remember the exact wording,
but I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Know we're all we're all quite mad. Here is how
I remember it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
M yep, the the famous photo of the thunderbird in Tombstone,
the old black and white photo from eighteen eighty six.
It doesn't exist. It was never printed, this photo that

(01:27:29):
everyone remembers, that old West, even though we knew it
was probably a faked photo of course, of the of
the uh the thunderboard or the pterodactyley kind of thing.
Hang in and you remember it like they had a
building behind them and they were all lined.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Up with it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Yeah, it never interistedt me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Grab this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
This is a drawing.

Speaker 7 (01:27:57):
Yeah that's not Yeah, it's not even it's a drawing. Yeah, hmm,
this is photograph that is not a photograph.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
No, that's that's a woodburn or cut.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
So that never existed now.

Speaker 6 (01:28:18):
Yeah, everyone remembers seeing it at some point in their life.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Well it even a photograph.

Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
Yeah, no one can find it now, so.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Weird.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Yeah, that is weird.

Speaker 6 (01:28:34):
Let's see here. Oh, here's the last upper one. The
cup has moved and so has the loaf of bread.
So this was my last one. So in this one
we had only gone that far. The cellis hadn't completely
left yet. So there's proof right there.

Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
This is from.

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
Two thousand and three, so it's changed since then.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Let's do it here.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
This stuff baffles me. I mean it just.

Speaker 6 (01:29:16):
Oh, here's another art one in the creation of Adam
Michelangelo's the from the famous ceiling. God's hand is now
lower than Adam's hand in the famous painting where they're
almost touching.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Hm hmm. Ian says, that's got a big Smithsonian written
all over it. Right word, he's our people, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Yes, okay, so here it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Huh it's now lower.

Speaker 6 (01:30:03):
Than Adams. Why is he lower than Adam?

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
He should be higher?

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
Uh huh, I know that's it's really strange.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Here's another, uh. Alice in Wonderland one Tweedlede and tweedled dumb.
Do you remember what they had on their heads propellers? Nope,
they had a flag. Yeah that's not right. As a
they had propellers.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
They have now the propellers. Oh, they do have flags.
It is so weird.

Speaker 6 (01:30:48):
Yeah, it's strange. Look at that. Didn't that look wrong?

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
I always remembered it with a little propeller hats, stripe
propeller hats.

Speaker 6 (01:30:58):
Yeah, yes, yes, huh, that's completely wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
That's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
How bizarre? Oh Blazar, I remember that song O damn
it my head all night, so blazar, oh bizarre. Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:31:28):
How many arms does Shiva have?

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Uh? Eight?

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Is it eight?

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
I thought it was six?

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
You're both wrong. Now Shiva only has four?

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
Oh yep, what the hell?

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
That's not right because there's some where she has them
above her head and then they're down in the and
I know it's not just above her head and in
the om. And this even doesn't have that because there's
holding the triton.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Huh. I thought I remembered six mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
That's weird.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
And that's on study dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
Uh. We talked about the dollar symbol. Not only has
the one line in it, the two Yeah, the seven dwarves.
Here's another snow white one. Their song that they used
to say that they sing, hi ho, hi ho. What
did they say, we go?

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
They say it's home from work. We go.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
And so said. The Shiva statue at CERN has four arms.

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Okay, they have four arms.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
I guess you remember six. It's not like I ever
met her or anything.

Speaker 6 (01:33:21):
Here's a crazy one that drove us nuts. The last
when we did this the last time. So the famous
radio broadcast in nineteen thirty one of the War of
the World's the famous one that got broadcast out. They
claim now that there was no mass panic.

Speaker 4 (01:33:41):
On we missed that. There are you talking about nineteen
eighty four, No, you're talking in.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
Nineteen thirty eight, the when they broadcast the War.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
The World the World radio. Okay, okay, yeah, they're.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
People they standing in the middle and freaked out.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Yeah, they said that that never happened.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
Yeah, h happened.

Speaker 6 (01:34:07):
I know it did happen, but they're saying that it didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
Yeah, that it was just a farce that somebody made
up that that never actually happened. It. It played like
normal and they thought it was a good show, and
that was it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
I found the lyrics and it is hi ho, hi ho.
It's home from work. We go, uh huh right there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
That is weird.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
That's the only reason anyone right Inzo, he said, that's
the only reason anyone remembers it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Yeah, mm hmm. I can even remember how it sounded.
I did pretty get imitation of it. You did, Yeah,
And that's what I watched. I mean I remember that one, Yeah,
on Sunday night after Merlin Perkins and Wild Kingdom.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
That was the best, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
And so so was there Going to work version Anna
going Home? This is the song Hi ho?

Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
There was just the one song.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
Yeah, oh, we can listen to it. Well, it won't play, will.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
It It might? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:35:36):
I don't know if we can do it though, try
and will we get copyright infringement?

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
Oh Disney, Yeah, let's don't. I don't want to do that,
but yeah, I'll see. Here's the hi Hoe is the
name of the song.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
When we dig Dig Dig blah blah blah, Hi ho,
Hi ho.

Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
It's home from work. We go home from work. We
go home from work, we go home from work. Yeah,
it's just home from work.

Speaker 6 (01:36:06):
Yeah, which doesn't make sense, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Yeah, you're right in though, literally, I don't want to
get attacked by a bunch of Disney PRIs Wait wait, no,
I don't really want to get attacked by a bunch
of Disney prins.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
I think it would be the lawyers, not the princesses.
So yeah, well, I mean, you see, I just burst
your bubbles.

Speaker 6 (01:36:43):
But yeah, Mandela Crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Yeah, I encourage everybody to go out there and look
at this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
It's highly entertaining, it is, and then it's highly irritating too.
There's yourge.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Then there's the fabriz. I remember it as fabreeze as fabrics,
and it's supposed to be fabreez.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37:12):
Now another a big one for me that just happened
in the last couple of weeks. And I was telling
Pam about this, and I almost didn't bring it up tonight,
but I'm gonna do it because I don't know for
who else this exists, and I don't want to I'm

(01:37:33):
just gonna tell it and then say my apologies. So
in my timeline, as far as I know, the only
time that we've had a major shuttle as a NASA
shuttle explosion and death was of course the very famous

(01:37:56):
one with the school teacher the challenger when it exploded
and we lost everybody on board when it was taking
off right exploded blue to police pieces. I remember watching
it on TV. I was so scared because when I
was very little when it happened, and I thought somebody
had blown it out of the air. I didn't realize

(01:38:16):
at the time that it could explode on its own.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
I watched it.

Speaker 6 (01:38:21):
Yeah, just here. In the last couple of weeks, I
saw someone talking about another explosion where they lost an
entire crew with a female in it. At first I
thought they were talking about the Challenger, and I went
back and checked and found out that back in was
like two thousand and eleven, we lost a different shuttle

(01:38:45):
on reentry exploded and like, now here's something for you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
And I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:38:53):
Imagine two thousand and three, oh, two thousand and three, Okay,
I can't imagine.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
It was retired in twenty eleven. Sorry, I'll quit in.

Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
Okay, I can't imagine that I would have coasted over this. Now.
I do remember at that time period that they were
finding debris, but in my timeline it had been a
satellite that had accidentally left orbit and re entered and
it was scattering itself all over Texas and they were

(01:39:24):
picking up bits and pieces from it, and someone had
gotten hurt from a piece falling. That's what was in
my timeline. In my timeline, that was the only huge
one we ever had was the Challenger.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
No, I actually remember the second one. What was that one?

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Was that it was the Columbia in two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Colombia. Yeah, collect I remember it burning up and they
actually found a few charred bits of remains.

Speaker 6 (01:40:00):
Yeah, I have since. When I saw that, I went
and right up on it, completely flabbergasted because I was like,
there's no way that I've missed this. This was something huge.
I don't remember any memorial services. I don't remember news
of it on TV. I remember news of them finding
scraps of stuff that, in my head was from a

(01:40:23):
satellite that had plummeted out of orbit. So I don't
know if I can't imagine that I missed that that I.

Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
What this says is the Space Shuttle programmers retired in
July twenty eleven after one hundred and thirty five missions,
including the catastrophic failures of Challenger in nineteen eighty six
and Columbia in two thousand and three, which killed a
total of fourteen astronauts.

Speaker 6 (01:40:52):
Yeah, I didn't That second one never happened for me.
I can't imagine that I missed it. How did I
miss it?

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
I don't. Yeah, I honestly don't remember any of it
happened timeline for sure, because.

Speaker 6 (01:41:07):
I remember, Pam says she doesn't really remember it. How
do we not remember something so catastrophic?

Speaker 5 (01:41:12):
I don't know, because the Challenger is stuck in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Yeah, I can't. I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:41:19):
I can't imagine. I don't know how that passed me by.
And the only excuse I have is that it's a
mandela for me obviously not Mark, but yeah, just paying
attention at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
But I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:41:36):
Yeah, but how do you miss that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Like, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:41:38):
Nation should have just been in mourning over this. Yeah,
you would think, especially because I went back and I
read exactly what happened, like minute by minute what they
assumed happened to the astronauts inside. It was freaking horrible
what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:41:57):
I can't so I can't. I don't know how, Like
I could have.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Gone all about the heat tiles and all that stuff.
They came. One of them came and glued and they
h determined that a piece of.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
Foam came off the that was off the Challenger, right,
that was.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Off the second one. The foam came off and hit the.

Speaker 6 (01:42:25):
The Challenger had a bad ring.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. Mm hmm, that's right, Yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (01:42:36):
To the families and the relations of the people on
that second.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Crew, I am not Yeah, I don't recall it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
Yeah, I'm not changing their deaths into some kind of
a farce for myself. I'm just saying that I have
no idea how something that extreme or nation just passed
me by.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
How does that?

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
How does that happen?

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
That The only two that I recall that anything happened
was a Challenger and then the one where they never
left the launch pad.

Speaker 6 (01:43:07):
Yeah, they couldn't get the door back.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
Died on the Yeah, they died on the Yes. Okay, see,
those are the two that I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Yeah, so yeah, I remember, I remember both of them.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
Yeah, just a you know, I just I wanted to
put that out there because it's different for everyone when.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
We're talking about the tiles. Oh hi Gary, Oh hey Gary. Yeah,
I was in school. I remember watching I think it
was either it was eighty six, so I was a
junior in high school. We were standing in the library
and they were playing it on TV and then it
burst into you know, it just.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Blew up and we were just like we had a
trainer TV. Because I was in electronic school at the time,
we had a trainer TV where the guts of the
TV were all over out, all over this big table,
and then the screen was sports so we could work
on it and whatnot, and we had it tuned into
that we were watching it while we had our lab
and we all kind of stopped to watch the launch
because it was still exciting to watch the launches and

(01:44:16):
we were flabbergasted. Just I remember, Yeah, it was awful.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
And one of our teachers in our grade school, mister Warnock,
he got down to I can't was he in like
the top fifty or something for the teacher that was
going to go up in space. Yeah, he got pretty close.

Speaker 5 (01:44:37):
Oh you're a baby gar babies, Yeah, first gradeof.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Yeah. But yeah, I remember both those and I remember,
I mean, I don't actually remember Apollo one, but I
remember learning about it because yes, you know, I was
born in sixty seven.

Speaker 4 (01:44:57):
So but I will tell you this, Mark, I do
when you were talking about the the tiles, yeah, and
the film, I do remember that. So was that on Columbia?

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
That was on Columbia then?

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
Then I do have some recollection of it because they
made a.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Big and they had to figure out how to secure
the tiles better. Before they had any more launches, so
I did. I didn't have that after they finally got
everything fixed, because you got to remember.

Speaker 6 (01:45:30):
I was going to say, it's really interesting for me
because I remember there being debris, but in my head
it was from that down Uh satellite, and I had
remembered one story in particular where they'd found a piece
of it on someone's roof. And I found that story again,
but it completely talks about the Columbia now and not,

(01:45:53):
so that's changed for me. It's so strange. I can't imagine,
Like I said, I can't imagine that some than like
that would have passed me by that I wouldn't have known.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
And SOO said, I'd graduated basic training and was en
route to my tech school when we stopped the bus
for lunch. We found out it blew up that morning.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Wow, oh wow, So yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:46:17):
He graduated basic training already.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
You're old.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
Younger than me.

Speaker 5 (01:46:25):
Oh sorry, whoops, you're both old.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Hey, I'm just a little bit younger than Mark. And
so said. The debris from the Columbia was all over
East Texas and West Louisiana.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:46:41):
Yeah, see, I remember that, Like they were finding stuff
all over Texas but it's so like I can't I
still can't really make that connection in my head, like
it's not working for me. So I know something's a
muck at least in my line. I think Mandela is
so Beard.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
It is, it is, it is.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
And what's crazy is all how quickly the new ones
are popping up all of a sudden.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
You know what's what does it mean?

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:47:13):
I discern kick back.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
That's true. Zo's tech school was how to chip flint,
arrowheads burn.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
I actually remember when they invented dirt.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
Oh, we had to learn how to oh goodness, get
deep in here.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Oh, I remember back and Mater back in Motain night.
You had to walk up Hell to school both ways. Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:47:57):
We didn't have air.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
We used to breathe rocks exactly exactly. Gills just like thees.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
Have you guys heard that? I can't remember who talked
about this, but they were like, hiccups is supposedly something
left over from your brain thinking that you still have gills.
So the next time you get hiccups really bad, just
remind yourself you don't have gills and you'll stop up pickupping.
And I was like, that's hilarious surely that will work.

(01:48:29):
So Ginger remembered that and she tried it and she
was like, it worked, and she said, I thought it
was just a fluke, and it's worked three times now,
and I was like, that's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
I mean, time you have gills while you're developing in
the womb, I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
So I guess the next time you get the hiccups,
remind yourself you don't have gills and see if it works.

Speaker 6 (01:48:55):
Okay, it's weird, and report back.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
I want to know, inquiring minds. I want to know,
because it worked for Ginger.

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
So okay, everybody at home, you have homework. Yes, we
have to report back in if you get the hiccups.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
I don't get the hiccups very often. Well, oh I
don't either, but when I do, they hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
Man, they're terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
All right, guys, I don't really have anything else, do you. Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
We've devolved into gil Ridge.

Speaker 6 (01:49:29):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and it's time for just to go,
uh take another shot at Nike.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Will so I understand it. It have at Mark is
looking for some meds before he gets a bed. His
eyes are starting to swell.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
Oh no, that's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
It's all good. Well, I want to thank everybody who's
in the chat with us tonight, thanks for dropping by,
and and we will see you next time on on
the Fringe. And next week we're gonna have a new
episode of What If tomorrow and a new episode of

(01:50:11):
border Town Strange.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
Yep, yeah, a big one.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:50:17):
So yeah, just so everybody at home knows, join us
at Bordertown Strange because Mark's gonna be there and Brian
Tarrell's gonna be there, and we're getting together a whole
bunch of our podcasting friends and we're gonna have a
big Christmas party. We're gonna wear crazy Christmas outfits and
bring our favorite drinks and our favorite ghost stories and
play some notebook games and just have a wild, raucous

(01:50:39):
time before we go dark. That'll be our last show
before January, soy and hopefully yeah, yeah, so we'll be
there and you know, I'm I'm roping everybody in right now.
So hopefully we'll have a house.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
Oh Mark, Mark's Marks bringing the liquor.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Because I'm classy. This is this is how you turn.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
So I got a golden ticket. Yeah, Ian, And good
night Gary, thanks for hanging out with us.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Yeah, stopping by Yeah all right, well you guys don't
have anything. I'm done. I've got to uh play the
song out, all right, all right, good night everybody, good
night everyone,

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