Out of Place Artifacts (Revisited)

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Have you ever wondered what was out there in the
night sky, stared up at the stars in the hopes
of seeing.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Something out of the ordinary. Have you heard unexplainable noises coming.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
From a vacant room or watched the shadow across the
wall in front of you. Have you asked yourself if
there is life after this one or if you had
life before? What about strange creatures that are mythical and elusive?
Have you experienced dejevu or felt a prompting to leave
because you felt you were in danger.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
If you have, you were on the Fringe.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Welcome to another fun filled episode of On the Fringe.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I'm Mark, I'm Pale, and I'm Jess, So I mean,
this is going to be a fun This is going
to be a fun episode.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
We have talked about out of place artifacts before, and
some of these that we cover we're going to cover again.
But it's just such a fascinating subject. I couldn't leave
it alone, and I've been picking around it for a while,
so that's what we're doing. And for those of you

(01:41):
who don't know what an out of place artifact is,
is something that is someplace it shouldn't have been when
it was found where it was found, Like we're going
to talk about the London Hammer hammer found encased in

(02:03):
rock and stuff like the antikathe meda uh mechanism, which
really wasn't anywhere it shouldn't have been. We just didn't
realize that people had that kind of know how when
it would have been created and stuff like that. That's
that's the kind of thing we're talking about. Out of
place artifacts and these things have led to all sorts

(02:25):
of startling theories like ooh, aliens left them or the
lizard people as they call them on on the Wi Files.
You know, I love that show. By the way, I
highly recommend it. I would give them a shout out
the Wi Files. Check them out on YouTube.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
They are fun.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
They are fun, much better production value than we have.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
But if we had a talking fish were.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
We're not really here to educate anywhere anybody. We're here
to entertain and that's what we do. And if you
if our entertainment leads you to do your own research,
then our job is done.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Absolutely So lizard people.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And is this people fish? Orange white eyes? So Jess
will be back with us a minute. I think she
had some she's having some internet problems, possibly she did earlier.
So do you have any you want to get started with?

(03:40):
Borist Pam.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Yeah, hang on, let me switch screens here real quick,
and I'll see what I've got to to go with.
There was, Oh, you want to start with that one.
We can totally start with that one.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
We can totally start with that one. That one, he
pronounced it the force. How did you pronounce that?

Speaker 5 (04:02):
The wedge of a.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Oh, pardon us while we butcher the pronunciation of this
object once again. I looked.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
I looked the the pronunciation up and it's supposed to
be a H dash j O O D, So it's
a It's in Romania, So if you're from Romania, apologies.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Sounds like it should be something that I'm buying it.
Uh Arby's.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Oh the au.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
This one's really cool. This one was found in like
nineteen seventy four. It was recovered by somebody that was
actually digging on a construction project, and when they found it,
it was with mastadon bones. So since they knew the
bones dated from like eleven thou years, they claimed that

(05:02):
the wedge was of a similar age. The problem with
that is the wedge is made of aluminum, and aluminum
itself wasn't isolated until like eighteen twenty five, so you know,
that kind of baffled archaeologists as to the alleged extreme

(05:25):
age of this particular thing. You know, you've got explanations
that range from there was a previous high tech, highly
technologically advanced society, to time travelers who happened to carry
around these big wedges in their pockets. Maybe, you know,
just just in case you needed a wedge, you know,
why not have one with you?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (05:49):
I'd rather have a wedge and not need it than
to need one and not have one.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
I bet you there's one in my Mary Poppins bag.
We need one.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Probably is theory about this. It may be indeed twelve
thousand years old, but aluminum does exist in nature very
very rarely. If you have a lightning strike on a
box site deposit, which this thing is full of impurities,

(06:18):
So I would you know hazard to say it wasn't
manufactured intentionally. If you have a large chunk of metal
that shows up that ancient people would have used it,
they can shape it. I mean aluminum. You could file
that thing with the rocks. Aluminum is soft. It almost

(06:39):
looks like a digging implement to me.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
That's a great point though, Mark Aluminum is soft, and
it would not make a very good excavator, you know,
tooth on a bucket or whatever, because it's too soft
for something like that. It would just be destroyed almost immediately. No.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Granted, it looks like some kind of tool, or it
could have been like an axe or something like that,
but that's that's just my theory off the top of
my head, because I mean aluminument and it could have
just been something you know, people found and then said

(07:20):
it's kind of that shape, let's make it that shape.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, yeah, And you know there that they did try
to explain it away, saying it was an excavator bucket
that lost a tooth basically, and that coal mining it
was a viable occupation. Good grief, I can't talk tonight.
Roman at one time that it was no longer and

(07:43):
they said, you know, in regards to it being aluminum
and that not being the most ideal type of metal
to use to dig. With the explanation, there was the
fact that it was heavy digging equipment near a coal
mine and there's colda which inflammable gases and if you spark,
you know, with a heavier metal, you could cause an explosion.

(08:07):
So that was their explanation as to why this would
have been aluminum. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
I mean, like I said, there's all kinds of theories.
I do not think it was a piece of an
alien spacecraft or I don't either, or some of the
weirder things that they've come up with. So I I
really don't know on this one. It doesn't look like

(08:39):
anything we'd make modern and I think if it was
made in the eighteen eighties it would have retained more
of its shape. I mean, this one is obviously it
looks machined.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
It does.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Like I said, the ancients weren't dumb if they had
a metal that was soft that they could shape. We've
seen what they do with gold, what they've done with lead.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
I don't know what it was for, and was panting
tool for giants maybe.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
So maybe if they needed a big hole in their head. Yeah,
wlent would have been better though, because aluminum is just
too soft. Yeah, for those of you who don't know
what trepending is, we have evidence that our ancestors ten
thousand years ago were performing primitive brain surgery. So when

(09:39):
you get in the head and you have brain hit
in the head, you have brain swelling the only way
to save a life. And even today we will drill
holes in your head to relieve the pressure. And so
we have evidence that people survived this. So, I mean,

(10:01):
that's a lot of people would think that that would
be out of place, but it's not. Really. People are
very inventive and even without an education, our ancestors were
not dummies.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
They could figure they were smart. Just because they didn't
do it the way that we do things doesn't mean
what they did.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
They work with what they had and they figured things out. Yeah,
they may have thought they were performing some sort of magic,
letting the demon out of the head or whatever, but
whatever it was, they were capable of logic and they
can figure things out.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Oh yeah, I was just gonna say, I'm sure they
were smarter than us in some ways, surely, because we've
lost touch with kind of some of the basics.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, and so said that if the isotopic ratios in
the aluminum were wacky, then I would buy it from
another Star system. The non sparking tool sounds reasonable. All
the non sparking tools I've used were made of brass.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, same, or you could also use titanium. But I
don't see anybody making titanium even accidentally. You know, three
thousand years ago or twenty five hundred years ago, when
this was supposed to have been in the layer, it
was supposed to have been, And you'd.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
Think that if they had run onto it accidentally, if
they'd accidentally made this new metal, we wouldn't be seeing
a lone chunk of it as a tool. We would
be seeing it made into idols or jewelry or some
you know, something a little bit more reverent than just
an old tool they were going to leave in the
dirt somewhere.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, I would more think it might be a weapon.
Who knows it would make a plus, I'm sure.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
That they would have made some more of it. You know,
if they'd run onto this new system of making a
new kind of metal, you think that it would have
lasted long enough that we would have seen more than
an object or two of it. We would have seen
an entire era of it.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Right, So that's why I said, you know, maybe we
had a lightning strike on a box site deposit that
accidentally created a chunk of aluminum that they shaped from
there because it's difficult. Aluminum is difficult to manufacture. It's
not now we have the technology to make it fairly simple.

(12:36):
That's why everything is aluminum now. But back then, the
the ability to create aluminum manually would have been impossible,
I believe, but found aluminum. I could see that. I

(13:00):
could see that. It's an interesting one. I mean, we
can all day long. I don't think it's a hoax.
It may be misidentified, but it's one of those two.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
If they don't have a I mean, they have a
provenance for it, but they don't have scientific backup for it,
as in they they don't have specifics of where it
was located, you know, in situe, they don't have pictures
of it there you know.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Your radio isotope study of it. You know, Like, yeah,
I was talking about to me, this one's very interesting.
I don't have a good you know, I'm not going
to say it's fake. I'm not going to say it's real. Well,
it's obviously real. We're looking at a picture of it.
As for a time frame, I would have no idea.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah, I don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
It does look like some sort of tool to me though,
But you know twenty five hundred years ago. I mean
there were better metals to use for tools than this.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Oh they dated it at twenty five thousand years sorry,
so that would be around the dawn of modern humans.
So I got no clue.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
What if it's just a fancy shoe scraper somebody had by.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
And we have one aluminium for the Europeans and the chat,
Yes there you go?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
What Yeah?

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Absolutely should we take a shot every time? He says alum? Well,
I can't even say.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
That aluminium, which is how it is spelled.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
It is.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
We just missed the.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
We just butchered foreigners.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Foreigners.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
Oh, I wouldn't talk about us.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Shots fired.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
We're just rowdy colonists. I celebrate Trader Day every year,
Treason Day every year.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Too funny.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
All right, we got another one.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
You want to do one chess?

Speaker 7 (15:35):
Sure I can do one. I'll just pull up something
I already have about. Let's see here. Do we want
to do the London hammer?

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Sure we can do the London hammer?

Speaker 7 (15:47):
All right?

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Along with that too?

Speaker 7 (15:49):
Yeah, So like we could seriously go through these like
all night long if we wanted to. I just pulled
up stuff that I already had, because that right there
is enough. There are so many of these out there,
and I find it sad like if you go and
look up each one of them one at a time.
It's like we always say, like the first ten pages

(16:11):
of the Internet is it's a hoax. It's a hoax.
But it's the same useless story, just copied and repeated,
copied and repeated, not saying that these are all real
or they're all false, or you know.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
I'm sure some of them are. I'm sure some of
them are misidentified, misidentified. I'm sure there are just things
that we don't know about them, Like this one is
an accretion. Accretions don't take that long make so that
could be just a few hundred years old. It could
have been a lost tool and accretion formed around it.

(16:50):
You know. The wood looks still looks like wood and stuff. Yeah,
I would say this is not a hoax, but yeah.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
This one was found in London, Texas, in nineteen thirty six.
It was found by Max Hahn and a friend while
walking along the Red Creek near the town of London.
They spotted a curious piece of loose rock with a
piece of wood embedded in it. Max took it home
and ten years later it was broken open by his
son on accident to find the hammer head within. The

(17:24):
hammer was identified as a small fine work hammer used
for soft metals, which was another thing that didn't quite
make sense for the area. The area that it was
found in wasn't full of a lot of soft types
of rock, so why was it there.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
It was near the base of a waterfall, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, Well, and that would that would make a an
accretion very likely, because when you get water, you get
stuff like that that could have washed out of a
cave someplace after it got calcified and covered up. I
don't know if anybody's been in a cave. I've been

(18:06):
to caves where stuff from the eighteen hundreds has got
rock growing on it from the dripping out of the ceiling.
So I mean I can see that happening.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Oh that second picture that I just popped up there, Mark,
it shows the part that has the clamshell on it.
It was that's where it comes from originally, is that
portion of the rock. It's not a regular picture of it.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
I mean, I don't know. I mean, it would be
interesting if we could find a maker's mark or something
on it. Yeah, it looks like a hand forged hammer.
So and that brings something I've been doing a little research.

(18:58):
How long do you guys think of fossil takes to create?

Speaker 8 (19:03):
I probably depends on the conditions where Yeah, right, So
according to the interweb, pardon me for mangling that, Uh,
a fossil can take months.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
To millions of years to form. So take that as
you will. Just depends on the conditions. So something can
be fossilized and it not be that old. We excavate
human sites that have human fossils on them all the time,
sites that we know from history, so they don't necessarily

(19:44):
take millions of years. So, and humans are known to
go places where they really should stay the hell out
of am I not that's true.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
If they were mining, you know, when they're in a
cave at the time and they left, they if like
inso said, if the handle broke, the user may have
heaved it into the river and discussed, and you know
that could have absolutely just and can yield inside of that.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
And scientists can sometimes not be very scientific. So this
is just what we've decided from our from our uh
experience and finding two of them that agree is also difficult.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
So that's true.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I mean, could it be millions of years old? That
would be really cool.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
It would be really cool. Is this one millions of
years old? I would probably say.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
No on this one. I look at the wood still
looks like wood.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, the wood still looks like wood.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's like a tool.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
It is. But then there lies your second question. Is
this a newer tool in cased in something that's incredibly
old for some reason?

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Right? That accretion cuts It's like concrete. It's not all
the same material. So could it have fallen near a
four million year or four hundred million year old object
and gotten accreted with it? Sure? I mean, look what

(21:27):
happens in the ocean, all that stuff from four hundred
years ago. They come up off shipwrecks. It's all accreted
together and they have to remove it very carefully. It
does not take that long on a geological timescale. So
a lot of these, I think a lot of them

(21:47):
are really interesting. But I can come up with an
explanation that does not say it's a hoax. Yeah, is
it interesting? It absolutely is in it it's interesting. It's
really cool. It is really cool.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
I think the coolest part is the fact that they
kept it for ten or twelve years with just a
piece of wood sticking out until somebody's kiddo came along
and dropped it. Yeah, it got really cool.

Speaker 7 (22:15):
I would have been cracking it open from the beginning.
What's this would lead to?

Speaker 5 (22:19):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Just a piece of it like the sticking out of
a rock.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
I mean, yeah, I cracked it open, probably right there
as a kid, and.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
It looks like shaped wood. I would be.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
That's probably exactly what happened to its later on and
said if there's wood present, it could be dendrology tested.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, it might have been at some.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Point in gronology.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Sorry, I just I'm not going to throw it out
just because I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, but
I'm not going to say that it's fake. I think
it's absolutely real, and I'm sure that it's at least
hundreds of years.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Old or is it an out of place object? Absolutely,
because why would it be. Oh, you're killing me. And
dendro chronology.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Okay, dendro chinology yep, yep, so the study of time
in trees. Yeah so tree rings. Yeah, it's not a
very big hammer. It looks like a tack hammer.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Mm hmmm mm hm.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
So that is one of my favorites. I mean, and
then that's what makes it out of place. We're not
expecting to find a hammer.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
And a rock, right, very wild.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
So could it be thousands of years old? I don't
think so. But my I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
rowe out with the bathwater. So all right, we got
another one we want to talk about.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Put my list here.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I have lists too. Oh.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
I have wolf seg Iron or it's also called the
Salzburg cube. Do you guys have that.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
One Salzburg cube?

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Right? This one it's wolf seg w l O l
F S e gg iron, also known as the Salzburg cube.
It it's an object. It was found in eighteen eighty
five near wolf seg Am Halsruk, Austria. Sorry for anyone
that I might have been with that pronunciation. Origin story

(24:45):
states that a foundry worker and a coal mine discovered this.
It's somewhat egg shaped. It's not cube shaped, which I
mean when you hear Salzburg cube, you might think that
that's the case. But it's more of an egg shaped.
He found it when he was breaking up a little
much piece of coal and this iron lump, it's pitted
and it has a deep groove that completely surrounds it.

(25:06):
It was later weighed and discovered to weigh almost eight
hundred grams. And let me pop a picture of it
up here, Mark share there it is. Initially it didn't
seem that remarkable, but it did seem to be purposely
carved out of a single piece of iron ore, and
that wouldn't be unusual on its own. But it was

(25:30):
later estimated that the coal that had completely surrounded it
was anywhere from twenty to sixty million years old. And
you know that's where the mystery comes in. How could
it have been carved millions of years before the first
humans were thought to have walked the earth. Scientists and
experts have both been trying to explain this anomaly for
like the last one hundred and thirty years, and you've got,

(25:53):
you know, the range, you've got from fraud to extraterrestrials.
In eighty six when scientist he theorized that it was
possibly part of a mediorite, but others disagreed with that,
so it went through you know, all these years later,
it went through a lot of different scientists that were

(26:13):
doing studies on it. There was an end upth one
that was done in nineteen sixty six by a VMAM
museum using electron B microscope and the analysis did not
find nickel, chromium, cobalt, or sulfur, which ruled it out
as being part of a meteorite or a piece of
pyride or fools gold. Yeah, there's a legend that it

(26:37):
vanished in the early nineteen hundreds from that museum, only
to mysteriously appear years later at the Himathaus Museum in
Austria where it is currently found. So it disappeared for
a while, it was refound and it's now in a
different museum.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Okay, So that's an interesting cole themes. You would think
that scientists would be all on board about dating a
coal scene because it's a fossil fuel well that was
coined without really any research originally, the whole fossil fuel thing,

(27:16):
and according to my research, it may not take nearly
as long to form as we think. We can form
oil in a lab from organic materials in just a
few years, and there are places on the Earth where

(27:37):
oil and coal can form in a few hundred or
a few thousand years instead of a few million, So
that doesn't necessarily it could have been a tool that
was lost in someplace in a region where at the

(27:58):
time these fossil fuels could have been formed. It doesn't
Was it really two hundred and twenty million years ago?
I started looking at these dates and stuff these scientists
threw out, and I wonder, right they really are?

Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah, well they did. I mean, they did show that
it was what it was surrounded in was either between
twenty and sixty million year old coal that completely surrounded it.
It's I think the shape of it's interesting, Julie pointed out.
It does look a little bit like a brain.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
It does kind of uh huh. Why they would have
cut that groove in it that that might be for
rope or something to make it into like a mace
or something.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Yeah, or part of a police system, you know, yeah,
to run a rope around. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Possibly, I don't know about that one. That one's I
thought it was interesting.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, it is weird, Dean said, t Rex with their
weird little arms and hammers and aluminium chisels. There you go.
Could it have been a very old form of tool
or weapon? Yeah, it could be. I mean absolutely, it
could have lashed it to it wouldn't handle right with
the going through that groove.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, I don't know about that one, but I mean,
if it is twenty million years old, I'm going to
say this right now, I think it is very arrogant
of humans to think that another intelligent species may not

(29:43):
have existed on the Earth, because if our civilization were
to just crumbly, if all the humans just disappeared in
a couple thousand years, you wouldn't be able to find
evidence of us. It would be very difficult. In a
million years, you would have to be very lucky.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
So Kin said, is a cool magma? Maybe it could
be cool magma. But it was manually shaped, so.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, it could have been very well have been a
natural artifact that got reshaped by human or other hands.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
So I was a cool one.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Though again I'm going to reserve judgment on that guy.
I don't know. Yeah, so all right, let's see. My
favorites are the ones that's a little more modern. I
like the uh that coin what was that called?

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Oh, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
I got the penny, but it was a ignors uh
Nordic coin was found and let me find my notes here.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Oh no, this one was found in Illinois. Is that
the one you're talking about near Peoria?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Now I was looking at the main penny.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, I know what when you're talking.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
About from ten sixty seven to ten ninety three. And
again they threw this out just because we don't accept
that Vikings went that far south. Why wouldn't they. We
know what they're like, they're gonna explore, they're gonna look
from They're gonna look for things and people to conquer

(31:49):
and whatnot. Maine is not that far south from where
we know they were.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, for sure. And the kit I kicked it out, saying, oh,
somebody just threw an ancient coin out there just to
throw people off. What why would you do that?

Speaker 7 (32:07):
A whole bunch of stuff out in the r Yeah,
want to We should make note of that a lot.
If you look up like out of place artifacts on
the internet, you get these huge lists and a good
portion of them are literally just stuff that is here,

(32:28):
but it's just a little bit older than what the
scientist thinks it should be. And that oh, we know
that they didn't travel here quite that early. So it's
an out of place artifact. Somebody put it there as
a hoax.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Well, because what that does is that screws up their
research grants exactly.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
So I just want everybody to take them with a
grain of salt when they're looking up lists of out
of place artifacts, because a lot of them are not
our ruinstone down here, and Heavener is considered an out
of place.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Object, absolutely. And we all sorts of Nors carvings coming
up from the the Mississippi River into the Arkansas, and
if they were going to if you're going to come
up in a Viking longboat, you could navigate all the

(33:17):
way up the Mississippi to the northern part of America.
Because they weren't that big. Long boats were made to
travel on rivers, made to travel on the ocean. They
could go anywhere. They're like the jeep of the ancient
worlde jeepep.

Speaker 7 (33:34):
Well, every culture back then just about had ways to
get across the oceans. I mean, we have proof of
it here. They found African elephant bones up in the
Ohio River Valley, yep that were brought in long before
scientists say that anyone like that ever touched toes here
and it's just absolutely false. And it's you know, it's

(33:57):
like the Smithsonian thing. Step on their theories and you know,
change the course of history, and they don't want to
hear anything about it.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
They don't want to rewrite history. Yeah, they want their
opinion to be the only opinion. And that's what it
is a lot of times when the things they say
are facts, sometimes are their opinions.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Well, not only that, if you look at what there
what other reasoning might they have behind that? Because if
you go back and say, hey, there was someone here
before Christopher Columbus, that means that that's not who landed
in the New World. So who actually could lay claim
to the New World.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
It took them forever to acknowledge the fact that the
Vikings were in Newfoundland. And uh, there's too.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Much evidence to say that they were all over the country.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Newfoundland and Labrador that is really not that far from Maine.
And really they like to say tail the coasts and
those long ships they could very easily have come down around,
come right up the river systems to almost anywhere in
the country. Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
I'm going to talk about them being in Michigan next week.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah, absolutely because.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
And I found that.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
Yeah, Ian said, those fellows from Oak Island made an
entire fortune and many TV series from out of place
stuff allegedly, Yeah right, yeah, allegedly.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
Yeah, the Oak Island thing. And kudos to all of
you who love that show. I watched for the first
couple of seasons before I realized they are literally digging
up a port. It's a port island. It's a very
easy place to pull into. Many many different cultures pulled
in and out of that like a dock, and there

(35:55):
is all sorts of stuff from all over the world.
Because people were mobile back then. There were boats. It's
the easiest type of portable system to build. If you're
gonna build anything, you can build something that floats. So
people were absolutely traveling across the ocean, across waterways as
far back as we can fathom. Yeah, and they left

(36:17):
stuff behind. They traded with people who were already there.
And that's why we're finding all this stuff in all
these places. It's supposedly supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Does. And you guys probably know this from listening to
the show. I am I'm willing to look at this
is how big of a long ship was I got
bigger stuffs that comes up my river all the time,
and I don't have a very big river in your hair,
you know it. They can go almost anywhere with those yep. Yes,

(36:53):
they can cross the oceans, and they're just as they're
even they're even better on a river. So why wouldn't
they have come down the coast of the United States,
gone up the rivers and when they hit the Mississippi,
they probably thought they hit the mother load. Look at that,
it's a highway, you know.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
And they went right off the Mississippi, you know, into
the Arkansas, which brought them up through Oklahoma and through
the edge of Kansas, you know, clear on up. So
they were able to really travel pretty easily. And you know,
they went from their big ships to their smaller as
the the waterways got smaller, you know, they would just

(37:37):
go to a smaller boat until they were walking and
then they could just travel across the land at that point.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
And they built them on site, they didn't. They they
could go anywhere and build a ship in a couple
of days.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
That's the good thing about the River Weys too. Not
only is it a highway, you've got the timber, you know,
trees grow along the river, so you've got the.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Problems with food, water. Anything they needed was right there, handy.
There is all sorts of evidence that the that the
nores were all over the place. Yeah, and everybody who
who poo poos on that, I just shake my head

(38:20):
because there's so much evidence. And we know what kind
of people they were. They liked to look around, they
were looking for trade, they were looking to loot whatever
whatever opportunities presented themselves. They were prepared.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
They were explorers first and foremost. You know, they were
out there to see what they could see and to yeah,
and travelades basically.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
And when you get the legends of the red haired giants, hmmm,
they were you know, most of them topped out around
six foot tall. I mean a lot of them did,
not all of them. Most of them were four or
five feet tall, just like everybody else.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Girlfriend, the redhead out in the mine in the cave.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, she was a looker too.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Ken said. For safety, they probably followed all the coast
to get to North America to avoid crossing the open
ocean they could have. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
All right, so I'm going to tell you a little something.
I mean, if we sell an airplane in Europe. Do
we take it apart, put it on a ship and
take it over. No, we pay a company to fly
it to Newfoundland, across from Newfoundland to Greenland, and from

(39:39):
Greenland to Iceland and from my Iceland to northern Europe
and then to wherever it's going.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Mh.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
And they, I mean, we do it today. They did
it then. They didn't sail straight across from Norway to here.
They went from Norway to Iceland to Greenland to Newfoundland.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
You know. And if they're just looking basically to see
what they could see kind of thing, you know, they're
gonna hit all the areas they can that. Yeah, Kin said,
that makes sense, and it's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I agree with you can't. Absolutely
we do it today. If we do it today, our
ancestors were smart enough to do it, then sure, all right.
I'm off my soapbox. And that's the thing we get
into when we start looking at all these out of

(40:44):
place artifacts. A lot of these are out of place
not because oh we've got a thing that looks like
it could have been an airplane. A lot of these
are out of place because the powers that be have
decided these people never traveled. Yeah, yeah, you know, we've

(41:05):
got mummies and that were found in Egypt that's three
thousand and four thousand years old. They have cocaine in
their system, which comes from South America.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
Mm hmm. Hours you know that were found across the
ocean that originated from the States, so yeah, it's not Yeah.
And copper, we talked about Michigan copper being found all over.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
That's yeah, absolutely. Who minded that, well, either Indians or
Nors or whoever, somebody did.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
They found American Indian maize in Egypt.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Yes, I ran across that when I was looking through
my my out of place.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
But they didn't travel. They have no way to travel
across the ocean.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Our ancestors were one way braver than we are, two
way more ingenious and creative than we give them credit for.
And three they were tough. As heck.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
Ian said, the original island hoppers all aboard the party boat.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
Right. Well, I mean if you think about it back
in that time, I mean a lot of people were mobile.
You had to be mobile because if you stayed in
one place for too long, you're out of supplies, you're
out of fresh meat. You're you know, unless you're like
a farming community, you still need meat and stuff. And

(42:41):
the human race as a whole, which is always has
that you know, kind of pioneering spirit. Let's keep going
and find out what's on the other side of that hill,
and people are going to be mobile. And that the
thought that these little cultures were just going to stay
in one little huddle for the entire time and then
probably perish because because you know, some natural disaster came

(43:02):
and took them out is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. They moved
and they traded. Uh, they enter bred That's why they're
you know, they're finding that with like our DNA, now
that they're starting to.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Now that they start and what kills me is they'll
come up with this DNA and all the geneticists well
this is in the DNA, and then the paleontologists or
whoever they're going, well, no, that's that's not what we decided. Yeah,
I agree. If they would ever get together on a

(43:37):
subject and actually study it as a group instead of
worrying about their little government grants and whatnot, we could
progress so much faster.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Well. Look, I mean, for example, take the three camps
in paranormal world. You you, you have always historically had
the Bigfoot camp, the UFO camp, and the ghost hunters camp,
and it's just been recently that they started to come
together and share information and we're finding out how many
things are actually the same. Yes, they just called it

(44:11):
by something else because they came from a different perspective.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah. Nobody likes to admit as a human I'm in
the same way. I don't like to admit I'm wrong.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Yeah. Well, until people start time, Yeah, until they get
over their egos and start, you know, collaborating more.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Well, I really think a lot of it comes down
to those government grants could be, or school grants.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Or if you follow the money, you'll you'll find a lot.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Unfortunately, that's true whether you're talking about science, whether you're
talking about government, whether you're talking about well, whatever you're
talking about. If you follow the money, you find the motivations.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
Yeah, well that's true for any field. Look at the
look at the ghost Hunters and Bigfoot Hunters and UFO
Hunters on TV.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah, absolutely allow the money.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
So many of them start out with good intentions and
they make great first season, and then that second season
rolls around and you've got to have product, and you've
got to have you know, outcomes, and you've got to
make a story.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Producers get a hold of it, and they get a
hold of your contract and they said, well, you've signed
a contract. You've got to do this, or.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Here's some more money. We just need you to do this.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
Yes, that lifestyle you picked up in the first season
is still looking pretty good.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah, I'm not saying that some of them. You know,
a lot of these guys are totally honest. A lot
of these guys, some of them I know in particular,
changed channels and stuff because they were being forced into
doing stuff that they didn't want to do.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Some of them trying to force others out because.

Speaker 7 (46:09):
They were greedy, right, yeah, so or they were forced
out because they weren't being greedy.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Right where they were forced out because they didn't want
to bend their.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Yeah, exactly, yeahs away. So maybe cooperation maybe forthcoming, at
least for a bent maybe. Yeah, you're right, they have
to have a good script, You're right.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, it's unfortunately, that's just how things work.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Yeah, reality TV is not real.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
We know, the only place you're going to find people
trying to be honest, are people who tell you they
don't know what the hell's going on?

Speaker 5 (46:57):
And if somebody does tell you they know what the
hell is going on, I'm not sure I would listen
to them because they don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Well, either they're deluding themselves or trying to delude you.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
You know, or they're I mean they're they're theorizing, which
is fine to theorize, but don't make it the absolute,
you know.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
And all the all speculation is what makes the world around.
We don't make progress without speculation and innovation.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
That's we did but did It's our soapbox though, Well,
that's it's what we're all about. I mean, our tagline
for our paricn is it's all connected. If everybody works
together and you keep your mind open and you realize
that you're not going to know everything and be open
to some new suggestions and new ideas and inger inger

(47:48):
intermingle that with what you already know or you think
you know, Fantastic stuff comes out of it. I mean,
I really feel that's why our team has progressed like
it has. We start it off as a we only
ghost hunt. We don't do anything else. Haha. On the Bigfoot,
hunters ha ha and the UFO hunters, and we just

(48:08):
slowly started progressing into these other fields and pulling in
different parts of it and mixing it in with what
we were doing, and we realized, oh, if we think
of it from this Bigfoot direction, then this absolutely makes sense.
And if we look at it from like this Fay direction,
oh that solves that problem. And if we bring UFO

(48:29):
into it, oh that could absolutely be why that happened.
And when you start allowing all that to work and
you can realize that you're probably wrong on this and
allow somebody else's you know, to come in and say,
well what about this, and you're like, oh, that fixes
that problem. It's fantastic. If the scientific community all the

(48:50):
way around would be so willing to have an open
mind and allow new ideas and new thoughts and new
data to come in and shift everything just a little bit.
I think it would be so much further along than
what we are. It makes me wonder there's got to
be like underground scientists somewhere that are actually doing the

(49:11):
real studies.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
There are there actually are you need to consider too.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
I mean we know this, but for the audience, you know, science,
there's a lot of scientists that don't want to go
there because it puts a black mark on their name.
You know, they're lacked out the community. Yeah, or they
lose grants, they lose you know, their tenure, they lose
things that they don't want to lose.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Right all. All I'm saying is we got we.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Don't get paid for nothing, so we don't.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Get paid for We pay to make this show so
that you guys don't have to. Now, if you wanted
to pay me to make this show, I would absolutely
take your money.

Speaker 7 (49:57):
Absolutely throw some money our way.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Funny, that's what I mean. You hear us going through
these out of place art We don't know, and we're
willing to discuss all sides of the story for sure.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Yeah, and just so.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Many people aren't and it's sad. All right, let's do
another one. Uh. We talked about anti antikytherea a lot
Oh yeah, pull it up.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Mhm. That one's pretty fascinating, I think just because of
the fact that it is an obvious mechanical happen It's
like a it's like a computer basically.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Well, yeah, they have studied it with X rays and
they've got the theory that it is a device to
calculate the positions of celestial bodies up to years in advance.
So that's really cool. And we know our ancestors were

(51:07):
much better at predicting a lot of this stuff than
you or I would be. They understood math very well.
This is what it looked like. It was found on
a on a shipwreck, and people have speculated about what

(51:28):
it was for years now. They all agree that it
was some sort of calculation device, or some people have
said it was for navigation, some people said it was
for astrological what have you, the position of the planets
or whatever. Whatever they were calculating. They were very clever,

(51:50):
they were.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
And there's the are you I think you're on that
page that looks like the same are you on life Science?
Is that where you pulled that from?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
I don't know, it's a pretty no. I think I've
actually got this one off Wikipedia.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
So let me share this because it shows they did
an X raym it and basically cleaned it up. Just
see what it would look like without all of the.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Right I'll let you put that up there, and there
it is. There you go.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
So they found a third of it.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, that's not the whole thing. Again. The only reason
that this is out of place is because we did
not believe our ancestors were as clever as we are.
So it's brass. Brass is even today fairly valuable. It's

(53:01):
not a precious metal, but it is a valuable metal,
and it is very often recycled. So I would not
expect many, if any of these, And this could have
been a unique device. Some brilliant inventor possibly invented that
and then it was lost. But if there were other

(53:27):
examples of this, I'm sure they just got recycled. It broke.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Could be, Yeah, could be.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Brass is fairly easy to melt down and reshape, and
our ancestors wasted a lot less than we did.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Kids said, it kind of looks like a portable mini
fan for hot days. Kind of does when you look
at it that way.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
It does pretty cool though.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
You see how those gears on there, each one of
them was set for the movement of a different, different planet.
It's pretty cool, right.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
So the Romans had machines that were designed to measure
miles accurately, so as they would go along, they push
it like a cart and as it rolled overtimement hit
a mile it would drop a marble or a bead,

(54:22):
and so that's where they put the mile marker. So
we had drawings of how that would work. Nobody could
make it work right, Oh, how did they measure so accurate?
We can't make this until somebody said, well, we use
square gears they were using. Somebody finally figured out that

(54:43):
they used triangular gears and trigonometry to figure out their
gear ratios. And once they did that, that design worked.
They've made a reproduction of it. It works like clockwork.
So our ancestors were not dummy. They understood. Now, our

(55:06):
ancestors created complex math. We invent it. We've built on it. Yes, but.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Lost chess.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
I hit the wrong.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Oh you did it?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Oh? I thought?

Speaker 7 (55:25):
She was like, I'm still here down you kind of
kicked me off the show mark. I'm just I said,
you're doing my research and you're just kicking.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Off, and she's going to smack me with a notebook
and I'm in trouble. Yeah. We call her notebooks for
a reason, folks. She has a pile of notebooks. I
mean she could drop them on me like an anvil
from Wiley Coyote and I'd be flat.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
That's funny.

Speaker 7 (55:58):
That's right. No amount of earthquake pills is going to
help you.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Sir uh Ken was talking about the brass wristwatch, and
that brings up another thing. You know, they found that
a Swiss time piece in a Chinese tomb. They did. Yeah,
did that go there by time travel or did somebody

(56:24):
visit it and lose it? I don't know. I'm not
going to discount time travel either. You know, we have
we don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
We don't know enough to know. We don't know what.
We don't know pretty much.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I mean, we have anecdotal evidence of accidental time travel,
you know, time slips and whatnot. Who's to say that
that doesn't happen more often than we think. I mean,
I believe it's possible. Oh, this one's a fun one.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
This one is a fun one. This is a Dorchester vase.
This one was found in eighteen fifty two. There was
a construction worker in Dorchester, mass in the United States.
They were using explosives to breakup rock on a hill.
It was called Meeting House Hill, and after the detonation

(57:22):
there was like these two pieces of an ancient metal
vase like object were recovered from the debris and this
is what it was. It's a bell shaped vessel, and
it is about four and a half inches high and
about six and a half inches wide at the base
and the top of it's only about two and a
half inches in diameter. The metal itself is only like

(57:44):
an eighth of an inch thick, So it's pretty then, really,
and the composition seems to be silver and possibly zinc.
But this ran in the Boston Transcript, it was a
local paper at the time, in eighteen fifty two, and
then it was later ran in the Scientific American in

(58:04):
eighteen fifty two again same year, and it was inferred
from the low from from the locations that it had
been blasted from solid pudding stone which made up the
Roxbury Conglomerate, which is approximately fifteen feet under the surface
of meeting House Hill. So that area of stone, the

(58:26):
Roxbury Conglomerate where it was found is dated by the
oh no at A Karen at ati Edie Karen e
ed I A C. A R. A. N Idiot Karen
period between five hundred and seventy five hundred and ninety
three million years old. So yeah, obviously it's is it

(58:50):
that old? Who knows? But it's a. It's a neat one.
It's got some really cool floral designs going on all
the way around it. But you know, who knows.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
I've seen estimate people say that it was a Victorian vase, yeah,
or not a vase, a candle holder.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
That's what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
A kind of looks like a candle holder. A little bit.
It could have been. It could have been on top
of the rock they were blasting. Yeah, I mean, I
can think of things. But I've also seen people say
that the plants represented are extinct.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Oh really, Oh that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
That doesn't mean anything. Roman coins have an extinct plant
on them sometimes, yeah, which was very It was actually
more valuable than gold because it was so useful as
a you can't remember the name of the plant that
the Romans idolized so much, but it was used as
a contraceptive and it was so h so effective that

(01:00:02):
they picked it to extinction.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Wow, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
So I mean, yeah, it doesn't have to be that
old to be an extinct plan I guess and.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Said, if you bump into Jess on the streets, she
drops notebooks like Sonic the Hedgehog drops coins.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Right, she does, or she might whack you with her
with her bag full of notebooks.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
That can happen too.

Speaker 7 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I don't know if I'm strong enough to swing
that sucker. That's pretty heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I saw you lifting it yesterday, like doing curls with it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
Yeah, that's right, lifting the heavy, the heavy, the heavy stuff,
let me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Tell you so. And there's so many of these out
of place artist, and some of them, some of them
you wonder why they even made a fuss about. Like
you found an ancient coin someplace you didn't expect it
to be. That does not mean it's out of place.
It just means that somebody visited that you weren't aware of. Yeah, yeah,

(01:01:12):
and they dropped their coins.

Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
All right. I'm gonna do the mirror cubes out of Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Oh that one nice.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
Yeah, So the mirror cubes. These were found deep, like
miles down in a coal mine in Oklahoma in nineteen
twenty eight. It's one of my favorite ones. It's so
interesting and you can find all the information on it,
like you can find the old newspaper write ups on it.
You can see where it was hushed very very quickly.

(01:01:44):
And all the men who were involved with this have
copped to it. Yeah we were a part of that.
Yeah we got moved away. But I'll just read it
to you. It's so interesting. So a gentleman by the
name of Atlas Mathis was working in a deep coal
mine shaft when he discovered strange concrete blocks lying on
the floor. They were twelve inch cubes that were so

(01:02:07):
smooth and polished on the outside that all six sides
could serve as mirrors. He chipped one open to find
it was full of gravel or some type of a concrete.
He started to shore up the room with timber, but
a cave in began and he made it out just barely.
When he came back, he found a solid wall of

(01:02:29):
these polished blocks. Another wall made of the exact same
blocks was also found the same day down a different
shaft on the same site. Mathis said officers of the
mining company pulled all the men from the mine and
told them they were not allowed to tell a soul.
They moved all of them to a new mine two

(01:02:50):
towns over into Wilburton, Oklahoma. The age of the coal
mine was around two hundred and eighty six million years old, well,
not the mine itself, but the coal. The cold line
that they were in was two hundred and eighty six
million years old, so to this date. Of course, the
scientists went after it like, oh, you know, it must

(01:03:12):
have been like a fault line of you know, something
from a volcano, you know whatever. Nothing like that's ever
been proven. And the majority of the men that were
pulled from the two sites all gave testimony to newspapers
and stuff on what they had seen firsthand, and they
said it was like looking in a mirror, it was
so highly polished. They said it was absolutely man made.

(01:03:36):
Whatever these things were, a wall built like you would
build a concrete wall, you know, stacked excuse me, stacked
in and out like a concrete wall would be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
That's cool, that's cool, That is cool.

Speaker 7 (01:03:50):
It's one of my favorite ones, because what do you
say about that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, all right, And you can polish concrete fairly easily.
It would not have to be a very advanced civilization
to create concrete. The ancient Egyptians had concrete. It's not
that hard to make, and you can polish just about anything.

(01:04:16):
I saw them polish a turd on MythBusters.

Speaker 7 (01:04:20):
I saw that one too. The question remains, though, Okay,
even if we go back to some kind of an
ancient civilization thing. Not that long ago. This area of
Oklahoma Kansas was completely underneath the ocean. Yes, and to
top it off, they were miles down underground in these
coal shafts.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Yeah. Yeah, so you're.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
Gonna go down even further. So what you know, you
you're like, you're you're naturally gonna want to lean towards
something natural. It must be something natural that we have
no idea about. But it's hard to negate something that.
All of these things are perfectly shaped the exact same way,
highly polished, but when you break them open, it looks

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like crumbling concrete. Yeah, that's the weird part, is the interior.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
So it makes me wonder if it was on a
fault line. I don't know, would they be digging coal
on a fault line, because if it was a fault line,
I could I don't know, you'd happily not for long. Yeah,
that would probably be a bad idea. So yeah, that's probably.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
They wouldn't know it was a fault line.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
I can't think of a good reason. I can't poopoo
that one.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I can't think of an alternate. I'm sure if I
thought about harder our kid, But I can't think of
an alternate reason for that to be down there.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Yeah, it's that far.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah, some of these others, like I said, I don't
think they're hoaxes. I think they're they're missing some part
of the story. That one I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:05:56):
That's why were they all scurried out out of both
shafts so quickly and by it. They also said it
was corporate. It wasn't just you know, like the manager
of the crew that you know calls the whistle when
it's time for them to go to lunch. It was
the actual company. The suits came in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
And why move tell you why? And I can tell
you why. Anything we find like that that's real is
going to get disappeared in a hurry or poo pooed
in a hurry. Is because they don't want to shut
down the mine. Yeah, they don't want to lose.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Money shut everything down if they found.

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
But they did shut them down. They shut down both
the mines and moved all the men away. So you know,
I just always it's one of my favorites because, oh wow,
so interesting from every aspect and.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
When you when you look at it, the fact that
they actually shut the entire mind operation down at that place. Yeah,
that's huge, that's that's wild.

Speaker 7 (01:06:58):
Yeah, crazy stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
But I don't know. I've seen some more stuff like
the screws and the rocks.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Yeah, I have a really good one.

Speaker 7 (01:07:15):
Go for it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
Let me pop up my I got a couple of
pictures here, Adam, that we can talk about. This is
called the Nampa Doll in a MPa and it's from Nampa, Idaho.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
A good one for that either.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Here's the other one, so let me get my notes
up here. So this one it was found in August.
It was August first of eighteen eighty nine. There was
a professional well driller, his name was M. A. Kurtz,
and he was working near his home in Nampa, Idaho.
Along with he had a couple of crew men with him,

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and they were using a steam pump and you know,
it was pumping everything out of the ground to try
to get this well dug and it suddenly bot out
this piece of brownish clay. It was about one and
a half inches long, and it was clearly humanoid in appearance.
And this discovery, it was also eyewitnessed by several prominent
citizens of the town. And what amazed these guys the

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most was this little clay doll in it come from
below a total of three hundred and twenty feet, and
you could see the layers there in that picture. There
was a fifteen foot layer of lava rock, one hundred
feet of sand, six inches of clay, forty feet of
more sand, and then one hundred and sixty five feet

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composed of clay, sand, clay nodules mixed with sand, and
course sand layers, so that totaled three hundred and twenty feet.
The doll itself, it's composed of half clay and half quartz.
And according to at least one expert, which is Professor
Albert A. Wright, Oberlin College, it was not the product
of a small childhood amateur. This is an actual piece

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of art made by a true artist. You know. It's
it's been roughed up by time, obviously, but the appearance
is still distinct. It has the head, it's got a
barely you can't really see it there, but it's got
a barely discernible mouth and eyes. It's got the broad shoulders,
the short, thick arms, it's got long legs. Its right
leg is broken off. And if we were able to

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look at it closer, we would be able to see
these faint geometric markings on the figure itself that probably
represents either clothing patterns or jewelry or something, and they're found.
The markings are found mostly on the chest, around the
neck and on the arms and the wrists. And so
how old is this object? Well, we've got the lava

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rock layer, you know, the drill penetrated through that. That's
part of the prehistoric lava flows the Columbia Plateau that
was before the advance of the last Ice Age. And
then below this layer this image was found another three
hundred feet down. So the best modern geologic estimate it's
the date for the layer in which this doll was

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found at over three hundred thousand years. And this Nampa
doal is actually on exhibit at the Idaho State Historical
Society in Boise. I think it's pretty cool. They did
try to establish well, they sought to verify the depth
at which it was found and that would help them
establish its antiquity. And they did an on location examination

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of Kurtz's equipment at the whole that was drilled, and
they interviewed all of the witnesses so they really worked
to prove this or disprove this story. Doctor Wright did
become convinced that the find was genuine. Kurts demonstrated that
well had been tubed with heavy iron tubing six inches
in diameter, so there wasn't any mistake about the occurrence

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of the artifact at that state of death. And the
pumplicy worked in one direction, you know, So had it
fallen in from above, it would have been destroyed by
the pomp It wouldn't have just shot it back up,
you know. So doctor Wright concluded in a report that
went to the Boston Society that there is no ground
to question the fact that this image came up in

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the sand pump from the depth that it was reported.
So they did do There was a Bostonian professor, his
name is F. W. Putnam, and he did a thorough
microscopic analysis that the court screens under the doll's right
arm had been cemented by iron molecules. And this too
independent of the fact that the depth of the discovery

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is indicative of a great age of the piece. So
how old is it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Probably they are in agreement that it did come from
this hole. It did come from where they said it did,
so it would be over three hundred thousand years old,
Which that's wild that they are actually saying, you know this,
this is why it's my favorite. They're actually saying this
one is over three hundred thousand years old.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
So I am buying that one. So, but what most
people don't realize is humans, the first Homo sapiens were
coming into being about that time. There were several older
species that were considered savages. We don't know that Neanderthals

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didn't have art, didn't create art. I'm sure that they
wanted to make dolls to their gods and goddesses or
for their children. Yeah, so that just shows to me
that our ancient ancestors were just as artistic as we were.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Agreed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Absolutely, that's all that tells me. Yeah, and it's cool
as hell.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
It is so cool. You know what gets me though,
if you think about the fact that they found this doll,
This came out of the ground at this great depth,
from only a hole that was six inches in diameter. Okay,
out of all the the you know, top layer of
the earth all around the world, they found something that deep.
What else is down in there?

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
You know? I wonder if it's like there's a whole
stash of stuff down there, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
So here's the deal. If there's what eight billion people
on the planet right now, all right, so compare that
we've only been on the Earth for about three hundred,
three hundred and fifty thousand years, you know, a little
bit longer you start talking about Neanderthals and stuff like that.

(01:13:44):
So maybe four hundred thousand. Half a minute, let's just
be generous and say half a million years. So humans
haven't existed all that long. How many of the big
dinosaurs have we found? Most of them? We've only found
a half dozen individuals. Okay, so there were trillions of

(01:14:04):
those over hundreds of millions of years ago, and we've
found a handful. Yeah, we've only found pieces of our
ancestors that are three hundred thousand years old, and not
very many of those. There's not going to be that

(01:14:26):
big of a If our civilization ended tomorrow in three
hundred thousand years, there would be almost no evidence maybe
stuff like this, just yeah, just random things, and then
they're gonna be called out of place artifacts. You know,

(01:14:48):
people aren't going to understand most of human history. We've
only been keeping records that we have records of for
a few thousand years, not even not even one percent
of our of our time on this earth. It's just

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the heights of arrogance to think that we're the only
ones to enjoy art, to think to have the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Ability to create art, you know, right, Yeah, that's crazy.
You know that's been disproven obviously. I mean, look at
some of the cave drawings that have been found all
over the world. There's some amazing that I can't think
of the name of the cave system in France. There's
some absolutely incredible, incredible drawings in that cave. Ken said,

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Mount Everest was once underwater, So why can't other civilizations
and communities be found miles underground and still maybe and
some may still be active, like a land that time forgot. Yeah,
it could be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
We don't know that they're not.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
We know that your places on the Earth where there's
openings into the earth that have their own ecosystem. Basically
they have freeze and they have clouds that form and
you know things rain that comes down. We know that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Yeah. Do I think the earth is hollow? No?

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
No, I don't either. I Mean there's pockets here and
there that are like that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Look at the cave systems in the United States that
go hundreds of miles.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
So Mammoth Cave, I mean it stretches clear into the
Ozarks from Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
And right, So, I mean humans don't know everything we
want to think we do. We We're the height of civilization,
are we?

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Are we? That's I'm I'm willing to I'm willing to
have an open mind and say maybe not. There is
plenty of time for multiple civilizations to have flourished and
been destroyed and the ice ages just ground all the

(01:17:10):
evidence up into powder because that's what glaciers do. So
I'm not going to be so arrogant as to say
our ancestors didn't create that three hundred thousand years ago
and it just by some miracle was found by a
drill bit. Yeah, that's my take on it. I think

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it's absolutely amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Yeah, that's my favorite one though that I ran across.
Thought it was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Could it be aliens? It could also be that, but
I don't really think so.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
Well, we haven't even touched on like time travel or
multiverse theory. No, that could have caused these objects to
pop up in past years where they didn't exist. That's
a whole other.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Like the Nokia cell phone.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
Yes, yeah, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Let me see if I can find that one. There
was a clay representation that looks just like a freaking
Nokia cell phone. Yeah, I I'm not sure where they found.
That's got a good picture of it here. I don't

(01:18:30):
have an article about it. Let's go ahead and share that.
I know you guys have seen this. It's freaking awesome.
So it looks like a Nokia phone. It's got cuneiform
on it. Yeah all over. I owned that phone. I

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owned a phone very much like that.

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
So I have an entire They have an entire theory
of time travel that deals with out of place artifacts.
It's called a causual loop where stuff gets put back
in time and actually causes its own invention. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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and it's resented and then someone takes it back in
time and that's why it's invented. And then you have
a loop. I have a closed loop that occurs.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Well, and we've talked about times and stuff like that.
I mean, I'm not going to say it can't happen.

Speaker 7 (01:19:37):
Yeah. And then there's the multiverse theory, where we all
live in multiple multiple, multiple parallel lines, and they can
all weave and touch accidentally, and that's how you get
your thin spots. And not every line is on the
exact same time path as you. So maybe the line
next to us is two hundred years back or two

(01:20:00):
hundred years forward or one day back or one day forward,
and you accidentally touch, and maybe an object gets left
on that other side. So maybe that you know, like
a Nokia phone, accidentally slipped through.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Or saw one and created a clay representation of what
they saw.

Speaker 7 (01:20:20):
Yeah, or they had a time slip and took it
back with them.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
Supposedly there's a German artist. His name's Carl Weingartner, and
he claims that he created this this so called out
of place Nokia cell phone. He's claiming it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
That could be.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
It could be they were calling it the Babylon Babylon Nokia.

Speaker 7 (01:20:46):
Speaking of that, So like the the multiverse theory, that
could explain some of these like really strange where something
is in a time period so far away from where
it should be, Like hold on, I have one the

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did you guys have anything on the Savitherium of Kish.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
I didn't, I didn't. I've heard of it, but I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I've seen it, but I'm not sure if I've got
a picture of it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:18):
It's it's one of my favorites, just because you can't
really say, well, maybe it traveled over from somewhere. It
wasn't supposed to be. Somebody had it, it was older,
and then they dropped it somewhere. That's not This can't be.
So the Civitherium of kish was found in nineteen twenty eight.
So they were at kish Is, a town which is

(01:21:40):
now what is now Iraq. Basically it's an they were
excavating in the twenties. They were finding all this fantastic stuff,
all this original art pieces, and they found these, I
think it was like three or four hand carved wooden
and metal chariots just beautifully does. But on top of

(01:22:01):
one of the chariots was something so weird they they
couldn't explain it. On top of it was a figure
of a quadrupedal. Uh what it was it called? I
can't remember what it's called. Oh, so, okay, it's a cyptherium.

(01:22:22):
It's a relative of the giraffe that lived in North
America and India and Africa during the Pleiistine but went
extinct early in the Holocene extinction event, which was about
one million years ago, right long before the chariot was

(01:22:43):
ever made. The chariot was made in the Hellenistic period
during about they estimated about three twenty three BC, and
it's an exact replica of that ancient cousin to the giraffe.
How would they have even known what it looked like?

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Yeah, I have a theory about that. How do we
know what they look like? We found.

Speaker 7 (01:23:09):
And we found skeletons and stuff, so but it's just
amazing to me. I mean, there's nothing like that in
that area going back as far as we know, animal wise,
there's nothing that looks like that animal. So how would
they have known.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
The idea of that animal? That's yeah, Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 7 (01:23:29):
And it's truly detailed too. If you go and take
a look at it, If if you got all are interested
at home, go take a look at it. There's loads
of pictures of it because it's just so extraordinary. The
whatever artists worked on this just did a fantastic job
in detail work and it is just it's beautiful, but
so out of place, especially if you put it up

(01:23:49):
against the other chariots that it was they found it
with it sticks out like a sword's om. You pull
it out and you're like, what the heck, how did
that it there? So, yeah, that is something that that
theory would really lend well to. You know, somebody slipped

(01:24:10):
through and was like, oh, I should I should remember
what this thing looked like, and then they that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Could be where they've they found cave paintings and and
and went from there. Also, how do we decide what
these things look like? We draw pictures what we think
they look like from skeletons. And as we know, some
of our ancestors were just as good or better artists
as we were.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
We just went and saw Rex Buchanan speak on petroglyphs
in the Smoky Hills. I mean maybe they saw it
as a petroglyph somewhere, and you know that petro glyph
doesn't exist anymore because it eroded away.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
You know. And what giraffes look like, so they were
able to.

Speaker 7 (01:24:55):
Well, it looks nothing like a giraffe, I will tell you. Yeah,
it's it's minus the really long neck. Yeah, it's a
it's a strange looking thing. Just everybody at home just
go take a look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Because it's.

Speaker 5 (01:25:10):
Say say what it is again, just sin not pull
it up.

Speaker 7 (01:25:13):
It's the cyptherium, so it's spelled s I V A
T h e.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
R.

Speaker 7 (01:25:21):
Okay, she's got it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Oh yeah, that doesn't look anything like a dirafte No here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
I mean, I'm willing to play devil laphet. I'm willing
to go both ways. I I truly believed that times
lips happened, so that would not I would not rule
that out.

Speaker 7 (01:25:42):
It's just a very strange thing. So, like you were saying,
you know, like maybe they saw it on a cave wall.
Maybe they saw you know, but even if they saw
like a drawing of this on a cave wall, what
what would possess them to think that this one thing
was so fantastic and so an important to their society
that they had to have a carved effigy made of

(01:26:08):
it and then stored with precious you know, precious artifacts
and art pieces and jewels, and why it's just so
strange to me. It's just, you know, that's why I
like it so much. It's just it's it makes you think.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Now, we think they disappeared a million years ago, but
you know, we discussed, we've had ancestors that have existed
for at least half that long. What if they were
copying a copy of a copy of something that they
happened to find and it's been lost since maybe Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:26:51):
Who knows. It's really interesting though, I.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Know, and it could very well have been a time slip.
I truly believe it happens. We had a territory actual
sighting near here not too long ago. Was that an
actual animal or was it a time slip? We had
the the lions in Oklahoma that just disappeared. You know,

(01:27:18):
American lions have been extinct for what twelve thousand years?
That could have been a time slip. Mm hmm easily.
I actually do think that one was a time slip.
So yeah, I mean that I feel that that is
a value valid speculation.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
These are really wild. I mean, I see a little
bit of the giraffe in them, but yeah, they I
not known that they were, you know, related to a draft.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
The shoulders shoulders launches. Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 7 (01:27:51):
They we're big though, look at them compared to the
size of the of a man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Yeah, below that would have made a hell of a mount.
Now I want to find you and clone it and
put a saddle on it.

Speaker 7 (01:28:05):
Oh, we can see you, Mark, Yeah, get your ladder
so you can get up there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Oh I need I need a crane. Have you For
those of you who don't see me, I am a
three hundred and forty pounds man with bad knees. I
am not getting on a horse, let alone.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
This monster we'd have to get to makes me think
of Nana and her stepstool. I have to get to
launch into.

Speaker 7 (01:28:32):
Get you, like we'll get you a portable escalator.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Riging would have to come down here and put me
in its sling and put me on that bad boy.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
That's awesome. That's a good one though. I like that one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
I like that one. Yeah, that's that's good. All right.
You know we are running right up on an hour
and a half. Do you guys want to another one
of these and continue with these? Because I know we
haven't touched all.

Speaker 7 (01:29:03):
The can I've got plenty got more?

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
I say we go for it. And I love talking
about these out of place artifacts. I love talking about
how history may not be as chiseled and stone as
our academics would like us to believe. We've talked about
all this before, but it's just so much fun. To

(01:29:31):
speculate it is, and like I said, I am willing
to entertain all sides of it. I'm also willing to
go down roads that even the scientists and the true
believers in weirdness aren't. I mean, I have a lot

(01:29:52):
of belief in our ancestors. They were just as smart.

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
As us, oh for sure, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
And their ancestors were probably nearly as smart as us.
Crow Magnum then svieans all those back there, those are
in our DNA. So we're human or human like people
three hundred five hundred thousand years ago, having civilizations and
doing civilized stuff. Why the hell not? Why not? Indeed,

(01:30:28):
So anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
We go, Before we go, I do want to show
everybody something that I actually pulled up and showed in
the writers' group earlier. So we traveled to Arc City,
Kansas yesterday. We did too, make sure I can find
it here. Here it is. We traveled to Arc City

(01:30:52):
yesterday for a meeting, and while we were there, we
were like, you know, there's a waterfall in the area,
and we wanted to go see it. And Jess was
gracious enough to take a picture of this, because hang on,
don't talk about it for a minute while I find it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Alrighty, we will do that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
Here it is, yeah, here it is Scotty.

Speaker 7 (01:31:17):
And I scampered down onto the rocks to get pictures
for everybody. It was actually the first time I've actually
seen a waterfall like live, not like a picture of
it or.

Speaker 5 (01:31:31):
Why is it telling me it's not going to there's
an issue with your file? Please try again? Okay, oh man,
now let me open it another window. Then see if
I can do it that way. Sorry. I get everybody
excited and then I'm like, sorry, you can't show that.

Speaker 7 (01:31:47):
We were having a meeting for the Para Con which
is coming up at the end of September. September twenty seventh,
on Saturday, if you were in the Caney, Kansas area,
stop in at the Caney Rec Center just off of
High Day seventy five and join the Paricon. It's completely
free for ages twelve and up. We're going to have
presenters and panels all day long and vendors and terror

(01:32:09):
readers and concessions and all sorts of stuff. A medium
will be there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
There.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
It is our friend Christy Gimble. She is a psychic
medium and she's going to do a free room reading
and then she'll be available for paid readings after that
for the rest of the day.

Speaker 7 (01:32:31):
So and later, we've got a food truck coming in.
Coyote Tacos is going to come in for the lunch hour,
somebody can grab food and we'll have concessions there. And
in the morning we're going to have a pop up
donut shop come in with coffee, so you can have
coffee and a donut while you're watching the first panels.
It'll be super fun. And if you're not in the area,

(01:32:53):
you can watch live on the border Town Strange page
or on what else are we going to be on Facebook?

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
Yeah, we'll be on Facebook live too, and if you
miss it at the time, it'll be archived on It's
going to be a good time. Our friend Ryan Harrell,
he will be there. He's a bigfoot researcher out of Oklahoma.
You might be familiar with him and patting on the
shows before. He's actually going to run a workshop on

(01:33:22):
professional ways to research bigfoot, so it'd be really good.
We got to know there yesterday too, so we got
to hang out with him for a while.

Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
Yeah, it was like a last meeting. And if you
come into the area and maybe you're not all about
all the panels or all the presentations, or maybe you
have a wife or a husband who's not quite as interested.
They can just stay head over a few blocks over
and join the huge car show and fall festival that's
happening in downtown Cane the same day and stay late

(01:33:53):
for the races that night. Kane has one of the
largest dirt tracks in the area and they're running specials
that night.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
So absolutely there is important to be something for everyone
that weekend. Yeah, there is football games base I think Okaya,
it's a little league football.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
Oh is it football?

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Little league football? Yeah, come on, calm on down. There's
something for everybody in the family. So if you want
to get your husband or boyfriend at the car show
and come to the para con or vice versa. I mean,
and there's gonna be time you can come and go
as you want for for the events. We're hoping that

(01:34:40):
some of these events choose to stay on that weekend
so we can just make a weekend of it every year,
So that would be fun. If you do come to
those events, speak your mind and tell people that that's
you'd like to do that too.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
I know, just mentioned it. But we've got tons and
tons of door prices and raffles and all kinds of
real cool stuff. We've got. You have, oh hunting kits,
ghost hunting kits, cryptied hunting kits. We've got do we have?
What do we have?

Speaker 7 (01:35:10):
We have a dowsing kit, and a and a Tao kit,
and a seance kit learn how to do your own seances,
road trip a road trip kit. We've got uh signed
books and Bellwitch stuff from Pat fits you. We've got
free readings and a gift basket from our medium, Christy Campbell.

(01:35:32):
We've got free readings from our Taaro reader, uh Lindsay
Miles and even more. In fact, I think Brian over
the weekend said that he was gonna scrounge up a
couple of his Oklahoma Cryptid Hunting book one oh one
for us to give away. So and they'll be even
more than that. Our our vendors and stuff and our

(01:35:54):
speakers are very gracious and always love to hand us
a couple of sign things to get away. So because
we keep the that's how we keep the con free.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:36:05):
Everybody tips in a little bit and the rest of
it kind of just comes out of our pockets and
we throw together what we can and it always seems
to run good. So we're doing good so far.

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
Yeah, yea.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
It is definitely not a money making opportunity. It is
a money shoveling into a giant pit opportunity. But we
love it because we love you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
It's worth it. It's worth it to us for sure,
to share the information. You know. It started out as
just a networking thing for the hunters in the area.
We you know, we talk about it. It's all connected,
that's our tagline, and that's what we wanted to do.
We wanted to bring in the big Foot hunters and
the UFO hunters and the ghost hunters, get everybody in
one place so they could network and make those you know,

(01:36:49):
relationships between them, so we could share information. And it's
this is our seventh year doing this and it's just
grown every year and we've got it's fun to watch.
We've talked about this before. It's fun to watch people
that have met at the para con get together and
start sharing ideas and things. So that's one of the
biggest things that we've really enjoyed is is seeing everybody

(01:37:12):
really absolutely yeah, I'll make those friendships.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
So yeah, we've made lots of friends and at least
three or four podcasts have started because of it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
Yeah, that's where Moup came from.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Yeah, so we stop buy and.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
See if he's going to be watching, Maddy's going to
be watching. Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Yeah, And we get almost as many guests online as
we do at the venue.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
We do, Yeah, we do, and I know Maddie's in Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
We run between one and two hundred guests throughout the day,
in and out because it is a come and go thing.
You don't have to be there all day. You don't
have to get a handstamp. All you got to do
is come in and enjoy yourself up.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
And if you see us, don't be shy. Tell us
how Yeah maybe running around white chickens with their hands
cut off, but we do want to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Well, that's pretty much much normally they've watched the show
or listened to the show. We're all over the place,
so true squirrel pretty much all right, guys. Well, with
that being said, i'd like to wish all of our

(01:38:31):
viewers and listeners a good evening and we will see
you next time. It looks like we will be continuing
with o parts and our speculation upon their providence.

Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
And if you're around a week from Wednesday night, border
Town Strange, we're going to have part two of Weird
Michigan and uh, Big Willy's going to be back with us.
I think it's going to be on Mark. You're going
to be there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
I want to try last week. I just I am
very sorry that I was not able to make it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
But we missed you. But yeah, will you missed you too.
He was sad that you were there, but you'll get
to jump in this time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Good deal, all right, guys. Well that said, everybody, have
a good evening and we will see you next time.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
Not everybody, good night, And he'stead of my writers grew

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