The mysterious Wallace line

The Mysterious Wallace Line!
Mark and Pam

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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of seeing something out of the ordinary. Have you heard
unexplainable noises coming from a vacant room or watched the
shadow across the wall in front of you. Have you
asked yourself if there is life after this one or
if you had life before? What about strange creatures that

(00:30):
are mythical and elusive? Have you experienced dejevu or felt
a prompting to leave because you felt you were in danger.

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Speaker 1 (01:02):
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Now on with the show, all right, I hope everybody

(02:08):
is having a good evening tonight. Tonight we're gonna be
talking about the mysterious Wallace line and really this is
this really isn't fringy yet.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Uh. We're kind of setting it up for later. We're
going to talk about lost continence and stuff in the future.
So we're going to talk about the Wallace line and
what scientists believe right now about the Wallas line and
why it exists. Like I said, Pam will be on

(02:44):
here shortly. Enzo says he is not familiar with the
Wallas line. Well, I will go ahead and present this
and I'll probably be bringing it up later. Dun, dun, dunn.
I've got too many things there we go. Here is

(03:06):
the Wallace line. It is a imaginary real line. I
know that doesn't make sense that goes in between the
islands here in the Pacific. On one side, you've got

(03:28):
all your Asian animals and magically on the other side,
it's all the Australian animals. So we're going to talk
about that and how that came to pass. It was
discovered and I believe eighteen eighty five by a guy

(03:50):
by the name of Wallace. He was one of the
co uh CO discoverers of ah the origin of species.

(04:10):
More Darwin beat him out on this, but he discovered
this line. If you are in the area between Borneo
and louz On uh on one side, uh, it's like

(04:33):
it's tigers and elephants and Asian birds and uh, stuff
like that. And then you just go a little bit east.
It's just a few miles east. Some of these islands
are super close and you get kangaroos and wallabies, uh,

(04:54):
possoms and stuff like that. You know, your marsupials. Uh,
And it's really odd. Excuse me, so, uh, let me
pull up another map for you. This one is one

(05:15):
that Pam sent me. And here you can see it
a little bit better. Oh, here is Pam. Welcome Pam.
We're back. I'm showing them your map.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Oh cool.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Of course, Jess was not feeling well. She uh more
than she thought. Oh no, she's feeling a little beat up.
Darn it's uh. For those of you who aren't in
the know, Ah, we were on a car trip yesterday

(05:58):
and we hit a little bumpy bump and it was
pretty good. But Jess was sitting behind the back wheels
and everybody knows how that goes. She kind of bounced
off the off the roof of the Explorer.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
She did expedition and that third row seat sets up higher.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
So yeah, it's good, and that was probably my fault.
I probably should have worn the driver. That bump was there,
but my little car doesn't do anything. It just goes
right through it.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
So well, I apologize with me and late I was
stuck in a meeting at work and it went a
little over.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Oh, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
So I'm trying to pull my stuff up here.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I have explained what the wallace line is and where
it's at approximately now. The reason this is important is
because this is one of the areas that actual scientists

(07:06):
have agreed used to be above water. Yes, so I'm
gonna pull up. I've got two really good pictures, and
let's see, I guess I probably should have just left
that up. Here is the picture Pam came up with

(07:27):
and see about twelve thirteen thousand years ago, before the
sea level went up four hundred feet. This is what
Australia and Asia look like. Notice how far down the
land goes. It looks like you can almost walk from

(07:47):
some of these, yes, places.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Much further thing now for sure a.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Couple very short boat rides and you're from the East
Indies into Australia. So but the water is pretty deep
in between these because of plate tectonics yep, which the
scientists and I probably tend to agree. It's deep water

(08:13):
and there is a lot of current through there, so
it makes it difficult for any animals to travel in
between these areas. And even with the sea level rising,
that is still an issue. So yes, it's.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
So much so it probably will continue to be an issue.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
YEA, well on our time. For sure, some birds can
fly across it, and some birds just aren't capable of
flying that far. So there is some similarities between them,
but mostly not. Like I said, on one side you've

(08:56):
got elephants and tigers. On the other side you got
kangaroos and wallabies, yes, which I mean, like I said,
this really isn't a fringe theory. This is pretty much no.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
This is this is yes, absolute science at this point.
And it was originally described by a naturalist his name
was Alfred Russell Wallace in eighteen fifty nine and.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Get a date wrong. I thought it was eighty five.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
But it's taken until now for the scientists to work out,
you know, what is actually going on with the animal
species on either side. So that's the really cool part.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
This is what they've named the two continents. Yes, before
parts of them sunk and you can see the islands.
So and then there's several different lines through here. There
are many divides, and they tend to be high current areas,

(10:01):
so yes, you know, you don't get a lot of crossing.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
And the Wallas line is the biggest one that really
divides the type of animal and flora and fauna, I
guess both of them. And even now, you know, we
have airplanes today and so realistically you could bring one
to the other, but now ecologically it's it's against the

(10:27):
law to do so.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well when a lot of those animals would be wiped
out if you did that, Yes, absolutely so. And I
was explaining before you got out here. Even though this
isn't a fringe territory. It's leading us down the path
towards the fringey.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
It is.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Because in the future, I want to talk about the
supposed content of Lemuria, which was invented about this same
time as an ext nation to why there are so
many different kind of lemurs on Madagascar. So and let

(11:08):
me pull up a picture here. It's not a very
good picture. This is what the world would have looked
like about thirteen thousand years ago. So I noticed that
Madagascar is somewhat larger. The imagination of the time was that.

(11:32):
Hope it didn't come up on the screen. I'm sitting
here pointing that's what don't exist. Pardon me, folks, I'm
a little weird. So, like I said, it's not a
very good picture. But see how much bigger Madagascar is
than it is currently. Japan is connected to mainland China

(11:57):
and Siberia, and here is your two subcontinents. The imagination
was out here in the Indian Ocean that there was
a continent that touched over here at Madagascar and that's
where all the lemurs came from. Now that's still a

(12:23):
really interesting thought. But notice how much bigger India is
India is a lot bigger, so it's not I can
see where they found the evidence to think that this
Lemurian continent existed. They've also decided that there was another

(12:49):
content called Maratia, and this is I don't have a
photo of it. Well, we're gonna be talking about these,
We're gonna talk about about lost civilizations in the future.
So this episode becomes really important when we start showing
you that everybody agreed that this was all above water.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
You know a place that I used to work. They
were big into making everything because we worked in a
basically a cubicle field with no windows, and so they
tried to make things as fun as you can possibly
make when you're handling claims. And one of the so
they named the rooms different things, and the one that
really sticks in my mind is Mauritius. And it was
named after Mauritia and it was supposed to be this

(13:36):
this Oh I can't remember how they described it to us.
It was supposed to be like a getaway paradise where
you could forget your worries. Yeah, it was a conference
room with chairs and tables, but yeah, it was nice.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, the idea is nice. So if you look on
this picture. See how low the ice caps were.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Yeah, it's like this.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Wasn't that long. Look at the Florida coast here. The
Gulf of Mexico was almost closed off. It is, so
the world looked a lot different. Four hundred feet of
water ago.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
M Hi Chris, Yeah, Amzo said he didn't know this
was the thing. It's it's really a fascinating little, little,
uh piece of science. You know. I can't remember how
we ran across. I ran across something and Mark knew
about it already, and so we kind of went with it.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, it's it's really weird, and like I said, I'd
like to come up with some kind of paranormal explanation,
but there's not. I mean, it's pretty cut and dried.
It's plate tectonics, yes, match with the sea level coming
up four hundred feet about twelve, well, fifteen thousand years ago,
So this is very recent in geological history. Humans were

(15:06):
running around. Yeah, so if there were a lost civilization,
it would be mostly coastal and therefore mostly underwater now.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
And there's evidence of a lot of places that are
underwater that obviously they weren't at one time.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Black Sea, there's whole whole islands that were kingdoms that
are below the surface now, so some of them are
not even that far. Yeah, you can.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Scubaize, Yeah, you can absolutely scoop it down to them.
So what's really interesting about this, you know, like you said,
it is the they have determined it is based on
the plate tectonics and things, the way that the Earth
has moved and and it's so deep and so volatile.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
In that in that area everywhere.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yes, it's just fascinating to me how that works. And
you know, I'm fascinated with the ocean anyway, just because
of the fact that we know more about the Moon
then we know about the ocean. We know more about
things outside of our planet than we know of things
in the ocean. And when you look at a globe

(16:27):
kind of like the map that Mark just had a
it looks, you know, pretty like there's there's a good
land to ocean ratio. And that's really kind of deceiving
because if you were to look at the Earth, you know,
from space, you see the one side that has all
the land masks, but if you look at the back
of it, it's almost complete ocean.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, the specific is just like empty. Yes, Yeah, there's
one side of the planet that doesn't have hardly.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Anything, and you know, we don't ever really pay attention
to that portion because of the fact it's not as
interesting to look at. Yeah, it's ginormous.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
There is a place in the Pacific where if you're
part of there, you're farther away from a land mass
than the International Space Station.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yes, absolutely, you're right.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I mean this is this is the world is big.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
So the world is bigger. The ocean is even bigger
because we have no clue. Humans can only go down
so far, and equipment that humans have built can only
go down so far, and there's still tons of stuff
beyond that that we.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Have no idea about. Well we do. We only explore
the shallowest parts, you know, will occasionally go deep because
we've got some sonar reading or whatever that looks interesting.
Let's see what it is.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, and I know when Enzo has been on
here before, we've talked about the bluep The sound that
was heard down in the trench is at the Marianna's Trench.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Marianna's Trench trench.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
There was a bloop sound down there that they didn't
know what it was. And I have heard recently that
they believed that that was could be it should be
attributed to underwater volcanoes. But yeah, I'm still a little
skeptical on that because I had this huge degree in
oceanography and know everything about it. But I just I

(18:27):
don't know. I just think the blop school, it's hard.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I have a degree in weird exactly.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
We have a PhD in weirdness.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yes, So anyway, this is really a fascinating subject.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Let me I agree.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Look at this line here now these uh hang it
it disappeared again. I've been changing screens and it's been
going with me and then it just stopped. So if
you look here.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
I really like this.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
These islands here look like you. You would think that
the animals would be uh the same all the way
across this island chain. That island chain is volcanic and
has never been connected to either of those continents.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Oh, I like what Zo just said. That remote part
of the Pacific is called Point Nemo. It's where most
countries de orbit their satellites because they won't hit anything
that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
And I appreciate that fact. The last thing I need
is for some Russian spy satellite to bunk me on
the head or be sitting in my living room.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
You know, just one more thing.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I really don't need to live the andramed strain. And
if you guys haven't watched that movie, ord that book.
It's old, but it's still pithy. It's something you gotta
go go check out. Coincidentally, water killed the virus from

(20:15):
another planet, so.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
That'd be a good book.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, it really was a good book.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
So I have not read it, but I need to.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, it was written by the same guy who did
Jurassic Park, I believe, and sphere So.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
So I found this little tidbit that I thought was
pretty cool. And it's talking about scientists in the year
you know, to where we're at now and what they
did on the study of the Wallace line. And they
tend to agree that he pretty much got it right.
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, there's been some minor alterations because of butter boring,
but not very many.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
He did, or what they did to find out what
species have made the journey across the wall It's line.
They analyzed this team went in and analyzed twenty thousand species,
including birds and mammals and reptiles and amphibians, and they
found out that those species that had evolved in like
a dry in the dry arid Australia area were less

(21:20):
able to survive in the wet tropical areas and in
the islands to the north. So those species that had
the greater pre SIP tolerance, they were more successful to
make that jump across to Australia. So that's really a
huge reason why some of them you saw that did

(21:41):
make it, you know, in Australia and survived, and others didn't.
Because I know there's species of bats, but really not
that many birds that you would think, you know, especially
with them being able to not have to cross in
the water. It's really it's fascinating, but that makes sense.
You know, if they can't survive in that tropical.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Wetness, lombirds can make the journey, and some birds can't
exactly some birds die after they do so.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
But what they're doing with it, which I think is
pretty cool, they're hoping that this research could be used
to help inform predictions and decisions about animal migration patterns.
When animal migration, well you can't talk when animal migration
patterns occur. If they see it shifting, you know, it

(22:30):
could be due to climate change, and maybe it'll give
us a little bit of a heads up.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
I see, that's one thing. Most people don't realize. The
climate changes a lot. In the seventies, they thought we
were starting another ice age. Well, I hate to tell you,
the last ice age still isn't over yet. But the

(22:56):
ice age was good for humans because it can pull
off a lot of the predator species. So true, good
on that.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
Jess is in the chat she said, it's weird watching
the show from this side. I'm sorry, guys, I'll be
up and running tomorrow. We miss you. But so yeah,
you take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I got it. I got some of that approx and
we can send over for you.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure when my alarms. I'll have
an alarm going off here a little bit because I
injured myself as well.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, oh yeah, I am to attendant just walking up
the sidewalk.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah, because I'm clever like that.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean, it takes talent, folks, real talent.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Mm hmm, it does.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I just have to get up in the morning and
throw my back out. So tricks today over a shadow.
So oh no, I feel you. I feel you.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
I did manage to work all day to day A.
Luckily Jennifer was there and she did all the running
for me, so I got to set and direct.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Basically, I just need the you know, we'll get you
some batons, Yes, I need a.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Enzo said his only injury yesterday was from eating too much.
So what we did is we're working on the para
con and we have a couple of new members in
the border Town team and that's Enzo's one and uh,
Scotty Rademacher he's the other one. And to be it

(24:39):
more centrally located for this big meeting, we met in
arc City, which is ever in Scotty's territory and it's
a lot closer to Enzo too, So we all got
together and ate at this restaurant and it was fantastic,
super good food and it was only what an hour's.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Drive away, so that was it wasn't too bad at all.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
No, it was great out.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
An hour for everybody.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, and we uh we took the expedition so it
had enough free minute to fit everybody and we had
a good time.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Unfortunately, we bounced Jessica off the roof.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Except for yeah, playing pinball with just the in the
third row seat back there sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, just think how bad it would have been if
she hadn't been wearing her seatbelt.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Oh goodness, yeah, her head it sets up so high.
Her head was only like this far from the ceiling anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Hi, Sylvain, Oh hey Sylvain.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
So it was just enough to really conquer off to
the side a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Oh well, darn it.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
But we had a great time. And if you're in
the area, be sure to come by and visit us
at the Para con. You'll get to meet all of
us and hang out with this And if you can't,
we're going to live stream through our channels on YouTube
and on Facebook. So it'll be a great day. Really

(26:11):
looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
All Right, So, I think I've covered most of the basics.
What else do you have for us there? You had
some other lines.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Put me on the spot here because I did not
get as much stuff done on this one as I
wanted to.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Oh well, we can start tying it into our future
episodes right now, absolutely, So what what the plan is
here is? Uh, this is just kind of a teaser
episode because we're really interested in the part of history

(27:01):
that no one remembers, because there's no written record, written
records only go back. We have fragmentary records from about
nine thousand years ago, and really that's that's about it.
Before that, it's just legends and myths. So yeah, the

(27:26):
theory here is that there was a seafaring civilization or
probably several that twelve thousand years ago, when all of
a sudden all that ice melted that I showed you
in this really really bad picture.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Here we go, ooh, that's a great title, Enzo, Legends
Myths and Monoliths.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Legends, Myths and Monoliths. We're gonna steal it. So if
you look at my really bad picture, which I could
not find a higher as picture of this, a lot
of the ice was tied up up north and down

(28:14):
south in glaciers, so you had these large chunks of land.
And if you look even this shape of the continents
is different because there was a lot more water or
a lot less water covering them up. So and some

(28:36):
of these places, several hundred miles of coastline, you know,
for several miles out into the ocean were above water.
And look at the map today, look at the cities
and the population of the map. That's a map I
should have brought up. Most people in the United States

(29:05):
at least, and probably most in the world, live within
fifty two one hundred miles of the ocean. This is
not something that has changed probably ever. The ocean is
a good place to get food. I mean, the earliest

(29:26):
human settlement that they have located, and I forget the
name of it, but the earliest human settlement that they
have ever found was all based on seafood. That's what
they ate. So it just goes to reason and along
the coast, seafood is a big thing. The oceans are

(29:49):
a good place to harvest food absolutely easy, is relatively safe.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
And it's abundant for the most part.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
So when you cover up all that coast line in
a hurry one, you're going to have a mass die off.
I can compare that to DARPA several years, probably a
couple decades ago now estimated if someone set off an
emp or a nuke on a coast of the United States,

(30:19):
that the ensuing panic of people trying to get away
from the coasts would cause a huge die off in
the United States. Well, imagine what if all your cities
are being swallowed in a matter of days or weeks
because of the sudden rapid rise of water. People are
going to starve to death, most people probably, they said,

(30:42):
in case of an emp right now, ninety percent of
the population would be dead within six months. So there
was no refrigeration, there was no canned goods, there was
no prepping. You know. You had a stone spear or
maybe because I believe that this civilization may have been

(31:05):
in the Bronze Age, so it was a fairly advanced civilization.
You got a couple, a couple of knives and a spear,
and you're just trying to beat the water. It's cold,
you don't have shelter. A lot of people just didn't
make it, you know. So then all you have left

(31:29):
are these legends of the oceans swallowing whatever. And there's
evidence that water flowed through the Sahara and off into

(31:50):
the Atlantic Ocean, so that that there's a big there's
a an area about the size of Florida under the
water here where all this stuff just got pushed out
into the ocean.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
The world itself was massively different looking, you know, because
even where we live in central south central Kansas, you know,
Southeast Kansas area, it was all one huge, shallow ocean.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
You know, well, yeah, long long ago. But like I said,
when the ice ice melted, it all flooded. It wasn't
deep flooding, but all of this flooded. Some people survived,
some people didn't. Some animals became extinct because of it.

(32:44):
Many animals became extinct because over here all that was
the animals couldn't get away any any more than the people,
so only only the best species survived. So this is
a big important thing in world history that nobody ever

(33:07):
talks about. And finally, because of mister Wallace and his
line and a lot of more modern scientists trying to
figure out why that came to pass, then we've found
out this and a lot of people don't think about,
Well if it made a big difference here, but it

(33:30):
doesn't look like anything's that much different.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
It's hugely different. I wish we had an overlay.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah I had a map. Maybe I can still find
that that actually showed Great Britain attached to Europe physically,
so you could walk from Great Britain to France. Basically,

(34:00):
I'll dig around if I can find one.

Speaker 7 (34:04):
Let's see, Uh, I don't have that handy, But yeah,
at one point.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Here we go. That's not it. I can't find any
really good maps.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Well here's an interesting one. Let me see if I
can grab it for you real quick.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Okay, just throw that up there.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
There's a picture.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
But yeah, this this is a big deal. And that's
why we wanted to talk about the Wallace line today
is because it leads us in to these lost civilizations.
Ah ends got it, dogger Land.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
I remember, Yeah, that's the one I just found too,
I think.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yes, awesome, So I knew i'd seen it. So let's
see it's loading.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Did you get it to you?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I've actually got it. I'm I will share it right now.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
So this is what Europe looked like. So you can
see Ireland and the ice sheet and this was all
this was all above water, so that is a big difference.

(35:54):
You can see that.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
It's all connected. I mean there's no bunch of little
islands anywhere.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Ah, you said all connected.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
I did you know what? It makes sense because if
you look into like ancient Scotland and Ireland, there is
so much Nordic ancestry and and Nordic things that are found.
And this right here, I mean it. They easily could
have walked it you know, they easily could have.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Well, they're they're precursor, definitely the horse people. Probably the
horse people. Civilization probably went back that far. I'm not sure,
but definitely. You know, the Vikings, they they rode their
ships everywhere, but at this point they didn't have to, No,

(36:44):
they did. It was very close, and it's kind of
when you look at it, it's like, how how does
nobody talk about this? We know that land masses can
disappear under the water. It happens all the time, all

(37:07):
the time. This is not the first time it's happened.
It won't be the last. I mean, we'll have another
ice age and we'll have a whole bunch of new
land and we'll fill it up and then the ice
wall milk and everybody will drown and they'll forget about
it again.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Yeah, and it will be wiped from history again once again.
It'll be left as a few big monoliths.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
And things that you know, right, because most civilizations mostly
exist on the coast near water. You gotta have water
for food for sustenance, fresh water for sustenance. But it's

(37:53):
it's a big deal that scientists have agreed that yeah, yeah,
that happened mm hm, So I don't I don't get
why everybody wants to jump on the Oh there was
no Atlantis, but it may not have been called that. No,

(38:15):
there was, there was.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
There was definitely some others that we don't know about,
and there's probably more civilizations.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
But for those that week, how similar some of these
civilizations are around the world. Uh, that tells me that
there was contact at some point. Yes, And I guarantee
you as much coastline has gone. I guarantee you there
were people and ships traveling and trading and exploring all

(38:46):
over the world. Uh. You know, we were talking about
it the other day. I believe at our at our
uh paranormal club, meaning, uh, they have found uh North
American products that according to uh, according to some scientists,

(39:12):
i e. The uh not palaeontologists. What's the word I'm
looking for.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Archaeologists.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, probably yeah, uh said shouldn't be possible.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah, the socio sociologists.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
My myologists.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Yeah, it's a branch of anthropologists anthropologists.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, the anthropologists. Oh no, no, that didn't happen. It
was impossible. Okay. How did the ears of corn end
up in ancient Egyptian tombs? They can grow there. They
traveled there, and if one guy can travel on a
ship and trade corn, somebody else can. We found bronze.

(40:00):
It was made from copper that was mined in South America.
We can tell this because of the chemical analysis. It
ain't that hard. The geologists and the metallurgists they all, oh, yeah, yeah,
that's that's probably what happened. And the anthropologists are going, oh,
you go the road boom.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Jess said, the pyramids and Keith Richards that's all that's
going to be left.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
She's right, yeah, yeah, I saw a picture of dinosaurs
that Keith Richards sit.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
That's funny that Mark has a very valid point. You know,
there are a lot of things that have been found
both not only in the Americas, but from the Americas
in other places.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Right, based on cocaine in some of these mummies, obvious.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
That there was trade going back and forth, well well
beyond what we thought was possible.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
And you know, a lot of trade was kept secret
so that they wouldn't lose their special deals.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
So it's not hard to imagine if the Vikings could
sail in the four hundreds or whatever it was, from
Norway to North America. So could the Egyptians. Yeah, they

(41:28):
had perfectly seaworthy vessels that were capable of making that trip.
And as I, as we've talked about before in the show,
there is a theory that Cleopatra's son and his followers
fled to North America long before Columbus went. There is

(41:52):
some evidence that suggested at least Egyptian trade. I don't
know if Cleopatra's son made the trip or not, but
we have found Egyptian artifacts. Yeah, Egyptian bees were found
underneath the stones of Stonehenge when they were excavated in

(42:13):
the Victorian period of they treated with everybody because they
were rich. The Egyptians were rich. What brought in all
their gold and everything else was beer. They made their
fortune making beer. Ask Annheuser Busch. It's an easy way
to make a fortune or lose one.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
So I'm super excited to dig back into this topic because.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I don't know how many people are on the chat
right now, how many of you people are interested in
us firing back up the old Ancient history search. I'm
hoping you are. That's kind of what this episode is about.
We're really excited to get back into that. And this

(43:07):
looked like a good way to do it.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Yes, for sure there was. And I'm kind of squirreling
here and jumping back a little bit that one of
the pictures that I sent you, Mark, Jess, I am,
I am. Now pyramids are interesting. So back on the

(43:33):
pictures that I sent, there's that one that shows what
looks like we've seen it before and you may everyone
may have seen it before. It looks like the line
where they say that the oceans are.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Meeting this one. Hold hold on, let me back up there.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
So you know, is there a line that looks like
this for the Atlantic and Pacific oceans mix? Yeah, there
is a line where they mix. But this isn't it.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
And you can't tell, no, you can't.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Tell what this is right here, and it's this one
is often put off as one of those pictures that
where they meet up. But as you can see at
the bottom of that it says it's the Fraser River
flying into the Pacific Ocean at the strait of Georgia
and Vancouver, Canada. So what it is, it's it's river
water that's coming in that has you know, debris and
mud and all those good things in it. It's a

(44:26):
little bit lighter so it's floating on top. But you
can't really tell where the oceans are mixing, even though
they are. You know, they do have different densities, They
have different temperatures and saline or salt, which means that
you know, the water doesn't mix easily and it's just
harder to tell than as solid line like this. But

(44:51):
they do mix through the currents, you know, and they
are connected. The Atlantic and Pacific are connected by a
bunch of different currents. But I just thought that was
interesting and one that I kind of wanted to defund.
It really is picture, Yeah, very cool, like this from

(45:11):
the Mississippi River, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah you could. I'm sure something like this occasionally happens
coming out of the Mississippi. Yeah, it got to you
because Mississippi is dirty.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Yeah it is. It's a muddy river and it looks
a lot like the portion of this on the left here.
All right, we get a look at feedback in the comments.
Pyramids are interesting. Ancient archaeology is a hot topic the
last few years. Time to bring it back up, and

(45:46):
I and I thoroughly enjoy it. But as a pseudo archaeology, as.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Do we as do we, I mean, uh, some of
these archaeologists are kind of fishy some of them, and.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
A lot of them will not argue with someone that
has made their life work, you know, a specific way,
and they don't want to. They don't work gradual egos
some of them do, and they don't want to piss
them off. Basically, they don't want to make.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
And the problem. Part of the problem is is the
archaeolog archaeologists and the uh uh geologists I don't like
each other.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yeah, they don't. They don't agree on a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
So I am more inclined to agree with a geologist
than I am in archaeology. I mean, it's kind of
like arguing that sharks don't exist because the spoon of
water you fished out of the ocean doesn't have any
in it. Yeah, just because you haven't found it doesn't

(47:01):
mean it doesn't exist. Correct, And we've got all these
legends and stuff worldwide that are the same no matter
where you go. M that's true.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
There are a lot of things that are that are
the same. You know, You've got even if you go
back into like biblical stories, know, in the flood, that's
only one telling of that particular situation. There's not the
exact telling, but it is.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
So there's the epic of they've talked about in South
American legends, North American legends, Asia. Everywhere in the world
there is a flood, yeah, and a fear of a flood, so.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Yep, and you know they wipe that humanity.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
You know for those parts. You notice one thing, I'll
pull up the wallaslying again. There is one creature that
they do not show on the wallace line that they should,
and that is human beings.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Yeah, they're not on.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Because human beings are the one animal that has no
trouble crossing that line. It was probably a lot easier
when the ocean was lower, but even now it's fairly

(48:31):
easy on an outrigger canoe to just row from these islands.
You can get all the way, you can stop and
hunt neat and get all the way to Australia without
too much trouble. It's doable.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Zo in the comments he said and talking about archaeologists
and why they don't always put out the new information
and it does. It boils down to ego. If an
archaeologists career hintes on their theory. That's been the standard
for years and it gets disproved with a new discovery,
then they're going to try to vary it so they

(49:09):
don't lose their status. You are.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well about here. Here's the deal I've noticed with science. Oh,
those scientists two hundred years ago didn't understand things the
way we do now, and so that theory is completely
wrong and it's actually this. And then forty years later
somebody goes, got yeah, that guy from forty years ago,

(49:35):
he was wrong. The guys from two hundred years ago
had it right because they were actually looking at the evidence,
not their own stupid theory. And then it just happens
in cycles. The next generation hoohoo's on the last generation,
and then that's that generation was right, yes or wrong

(49:58):
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
And on top of all of that, you throw into
the mix, especially in the in the United States, you
don't want to prove too much who was here first,
because if they came before Columbus and selling the Ocean
Blue in fourteen hundred and ninety two, that could be
a problem. You know, that could be a problem, a
big problem for you know, a lot of people and

(50:23):
another victual if it shows that they showed first, you know,
they could they could say, hey, was it you, it
was us. You need to hand it over. All religions
speak about the same entity, but they use different names. Strangely,
everyone's supreme being is the one and only and they
fight that they're right and only right. Yes, you are correct.

(50:46):
There's been so many wars they're almost all thought over religion.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Or resources are Yeah, resources, those are the two big ones.
Or you know, I dissed your theory about the evolution
of cockatoos and you decided to wipe out my country. Yes,
I mean it's not that ridiculous, but sometimes it is.

(51:15):
Human beings are really some of the most ridiculous creatures
on the planet. It's like, why are you fighting? Really?
I mean, I don't understand sometimes, but sometimes I do.

(51:37):
I get it. I get the whole fighting for resources
and stuff. You want your country to have all the
resources it needs to make your people happy. You know,
you don't want to get strung up on a gallows
because you know, you let your people starve or whatever.
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
K and said, what where's my cockatoos?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Right right? I prefer the purple ones. I don't know
if there are purple ones, but if there were, they
would be my favorite.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
That's awesome. But this is a great leaping off point,
you know, to as a lead in on what we
are going to be talking about in the future.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
And that's kind of why I wanted to tease everybody
with this. It's considered a fact now, I mean especially
we watched a movie or a mini series not too
long ago at your house, oh yeah, about ancient apocalypse.

(52:43):
So basically what we've got here is proof that had happened.
The geologists at least, and several of the other ologists
agree that. You know, let me get that. I lost
my picture again, dang it. Uh, this was a thing, yes,

(53:11):
and here when we were watching Ancient Apocalypse, that pyramid
that they were excavating would have been in this region.
So it just goes to show you that it's a
it's plausible, and I'm excited.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
We need to do something on pyramids too, just pyramids.
I've been fascinated with pyramids since I was a little kid.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
And yes, pyramid pyramids are fun. We'll get your pyramid hat.
I probably need one to probably help me think more clear,
uh there, especially after a ten hour day in the heat,
then coming in here and trying to do a podcast

(54:02):
sometimes I don't make the most sense.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
You know, Ken has a friend that he had on
a monk with us. It's been a few months ago,
but he has a very large pyramid in his home
and uh, you can go in and sit underneath it,
you know, and it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
So so here's what's going to happen. Uh, thousands of
years from now, our our descendants are going to look
at all these uh rectangular buildings we live in and
believe in rectangle power.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Probably yes, that's his name, kN kN just said his
friend's name was Tom.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
So this is this is my prediction of the far future.
They're going to look at all of our rectangular and
square homes and they're going to see you. He was
reck tingle power.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
I was watching something the other day about and I
can't remember. This is totally off topic here. It was
about a tribe somewhere and during World War two they
used wherever this island was.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Where was it probably New Guinea may have.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Been, or Caribbean or somewhere like that. But they they
use this island as a place to land planes and
to bring in equipment and things. And the people that
lived there had never seen these things, so it would
be kind of like and we would be the same.

(55:45):
Probably it was. It would be like a god came
or somebody, you know. Yes, and even to this day,
you know, they did leave these things for the tribe members.
And even to this day they have, yes, cargo cults,
thank you Inzo. Even to this day they have parades
and things where they bring out, you know, the equipment

(56:08):
that was left and they wear the old uniforms and
they marched like they saw the soldiers march. And they
have built like airplanes out of you know, bamboo and yes,
things that they had to just to replicate these things.
So it's kind of kind of along the same, you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
It's not just lemurs exactly. That's funny and it's true.
I mean, uh, look at Eric van whatever the Hecky's
name is, Donakan, Yeah, Von Doonican Pyramids of the gods

(56:46):
are chariots of the gods? Are we just a cargo cult?

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Are all these religions around the world that show people
in what look like spacesuits and whatnot, Yes, just cargo cults?
Maybe so oh these people were landing their ships there
and you know, Ian said.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Yeah, pyramids are definitely worth a look. Most folks think
the Giza Pyramids aligned with the Ryan's Belt, but they
are closer to the Sickness constellation. You are right, it's
pretty interesting. Oh and Christy's in the chat.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Hi Christy, all right, yay. One of my favorite people
on the whole planet.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
She's a great human being.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
She is, she is just She will be at para
Con this year.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Absolutely, she will be. We need to make sure we
plug that again.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yes, yes we do. But yeah, I'm excited to state.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
If you're not in the States and you don't have
a way to make it to the Paracon, we will
be streaming it live. We'll make sure we get all
that info out early enough that everybody can participate if
they'd like, right, or you can watch it later.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Either way, then hold on, I'm going to share the
screen again, and you your screen yet.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Shirts and hoodies made, so we'll make sure we share
all that too.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Here is twenty twenty four paragrounds. You can I'm going
to leave this up here for a little bit. Those
of you who are on the chat, you want to
scan the QR code, you can get a linked to
the event and everything. It's going to be a lot
of fun. It always is. It's amazing to see how

(58:38):
this with the four of us sitting there talking to
three or four people at a time in that tiny
old library as now we've talked to, you know, one
hundred and fifty people, maybe more. It goes up a
little every year. I'm thinking we're probably gonna, if not

(58:58):
this year, the next, make it two two fifty I hope,
so that'd be fine. But the main thing about the
Para con isn't yes, we want the public there. The
public is very important to us. But the big thing
is getting the different and see, this is why we're trying.
We saw what's happening between the scientists, the palaeontologists and

(59:22):
the geologists and all the different ologists. Nobody wants to talk.
Nobody wants to agree on everything. Everybody is stupid according
to the other one. We don't want that. We want
the UFO guys and the Bigfoot guys and the ghost guys,
everybody to exchange information and see where the other one's

(59:45):
coming from. And what we found is it's time for
your pill.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
I did I took it already, Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
What we found is these people have gotten together and
said you know never thought of it that way. There's
been great friendships struck up. How many podcasts have come
out of this paraicon, so much great content. I just
I'm really excited every year when we have the parakon.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
What I think is really cool is when we get
everybody together. Like you said, you know, part of theologists
can agree. But what's fun is when we get people
together from these different camps. They start realizing that things
that they call in the UFO world one thing may
be being experienced in the Bigfoot cryptid world, but it's

(01:00:44):
just being called by.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
A different name, and it may or may not be
related to either one of those fields. And they've got
the opportunity to figure that out, yes, because they're actually talking.
Imagine what would happen if the uh uh paleontologists and

(01:01:05):
uh the archaeologists and everybody got together with the geologists
and said, hey, did you see that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
They could set their egos aside?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
They could set their egos aside and worry a little
bit less about their grant money.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
And why they worry about their grant money.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Their legacy of their tenure.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
I work in a library. I one hundred understand the
the necessity of the grant money. However, you know there's
got to be a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Common in the way of actual science. It is as
I'm not saying that I'm right. I'm not saying any
of that. Uh, but the plausibility of it is there,
and I feel like it needs to be explored more,

(01:01:57):
and so if nobody else is going to explore it,
why shouldn't we.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
Ian said, also, you guys should do an episode on
the lay lines. He's familiar with the UK stuff. Would
be interesting to hear about anything if there's anything to
report in the United States and beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
And you have no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
We are huge lay line fans around here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Give an episode, I believe on this show. So if
you go back, if you go to Spreaker and go
through our catalog, you will find us talking about lay lines.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
We'll have to figure out which.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I'd probably give me just a second.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
We have lay lines running through right where we live
in Southeast Kansas, and there's tons and tons of evidence
that supports it. Yeah, it's something that we really really
dig into constantly. We're constantly That's one of those that
we don't ever really set aside.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
No, we really don't. We are working constantly to map
waylines more, mostly you and Jessica. So on sixth June
twenty three, what are lay lines and why are they?
Are they important? It's on our Spreaker catalog. One second,

(01:03:20):
and control see, I'm gonna post this link right here
to our Spreaker catalog and you can actually go click
on there and go through all of our old shows
on the Fringe and then check out what If Tomorrow?

(01:03:42):
Because we talked about everything on there until we split
the show to just kind of make it easier for
the algorithms to keep track. So but there you go. Yes,
lay lines are a big deal. I think they have
a lot to do with a lot of paranormal activity.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
Do another complete show on it, and we.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Didn't even we could do a whole podcast on we could.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
You'll find some more fun stuff in the area.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Yeah, And like I said, we don't claim to be
experts on anything. We're here, Phil and I started this show,
uh and what If Tomorrow? On the premise, we're just
a couple of guys or in this case, a guy
and a girl. We're just leaning over the back of
the pickup bed or the toolbox having a conversation about

(01:04:43):
what what if what if this is something? What if
this isn't something?

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
And it always leads right down the road to something else.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
So right, so what we want you to do as
as listeners, because like I said, don't don't believe anything.
We say, you go out there and do the research yourself.
Get out there and do your own research, and hey,
become an expert. Give us a shout, we'll put you

(01:05:15):
on the show and we'll just make a night of it. Absolutely,
if you know an expert who would be interested in
coming on and telling us either how dumb we are
or how we're almost on the right track or whatever.
I mean. No, it's fine because I want to know

(01:05:38):
the answers, and I hope you guys do too. That's
why I say, I want everybody to go out there,
do your own research, dig into this stuff, and have
a good time with it. Have good time with it.
That's because that's that's that's what we're we want to
We want to tickle your mind and and get you

(01:06:01):
interested into looking into this stuff. Like I said.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Christy did say that she has a psychic medium for
those that don't know, and she said she utilizes the
lines as a medium. All of the time, it's pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Cool that, oh they broke okay ends, Yes, we do
our lives on two different YouTube channels. We're at it.
When the viewership on the on the Fringe channel starts

(01:06:38):
getting where everybody's transferred over, will probably stop broadcasting beyond
the Fringe show on the what If Tomorrow channel. Just
like I said, we're trying to straighten out the the algorithm,
but for right now I'm broadcasting it on both and
on our what If Tomorrow page on Facebook. So we

(01:07:07):
really enjoy having people on the lives to interact with us.
We thrive on that. So please do ask questions, make
comments if you're in here. So I don't have a
whole lot else tonight, do you, Pam.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
No, not really, And again I apologize I fell short
on my research tonight biological.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So like I said, I I envisioned this as being
kind of a jumping off point, just kind of test
the waters to see if everybody is interested in us
going back and finishing our Trump through history and myth

(01:07:55):
and legend and see what we can find.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
We'll dig out the machetes and whack through the brush.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Well, I mean, the last time I had a machete out.
I tried to cut my leg off, so maybebe I
should probably.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
Avoid it maybe so. Oh dang in. So you're watching
us on a seventy five inch TV. Yikes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Sorry, I'm surprised. I haven't broken TV. All right, So
once again, Saturday, September twenty eighth. Uh, we're having the

(01:08:45):
Parra Con here in Guiney, Kansas. Come out and see
it live or we will be streaming on stream yard
probably to all of our channels, so you can watch
our panels and our presentations on YouTube and then go
back and watch them afterwards. Yes, so you don't have

(01:09:08):
to miss it. We what do we have last year?

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
No, we didn't have that many. We had like one
hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
We got like a four hundred clicks altogether.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Oh, four hundred clicks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Yeah, yeah, we were people went back and look at
it later. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Live bodies a little a few less. The doors open
at nine to the public, and that's Central Standard time,
and we're going to be going until seven thirty that night,
so it'll be a good time. It'll be a lot
of things happening.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
We've got, like I said, we've got bigfoot guys. We've
got UFO guys. Thank you Christy, You've got everything.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
That we put out. Yay, that means a lot coming
from you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I'm gonna tear up a little. Yeah. So I'm I'm
hoping those of you who can make it to the
para Con come out show your support. And the nice
thing about our par con is our guest speakers and
panelists are all encouraged to walk around on the floor

(01:10:31):
when they are not speaking or paneling, to have conversations
with the public. If you're a member of the public,
this is your chance to talk to an expert about
your experiences or what have you. And most everybody is

(01:10:53):
just delighted. A lot of these folks have come up
with new theories or definitely new stories and stuff to
track from the para con and they might be able
to Yep. Sometimes they'll tell you what you're seeing as normal,
it's not paranormal.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
What I always love is the fact that we get
so many stories and so many when it comes to
the broader paranormal community. Kansas and our four state area Kansas, Missouri, Missouri,
and Arkansas not so much, but mostly Kansas and then
Oklahoma as well are viewed more of like a flyover.

(01:11:37):
You know, there's nothing going on there, noting reports that
it's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
We're the buckle of the Bible. Bible belt, and for
many years, everybody's pastor told them that anything paranormal was
a demon. Everything is a demon. It's all demonic. And well,
I'll give them that some of it, most certainly probably

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is a lot of it can be explained with time
slips or dimensional slips or things that's probably not even
paranormal but present as paranormal. So UFOs they are demonic.
The demons are coming for us. I'm sorry. The demons

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are all in Washington right now. They're too busy for
the likes of us, So.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
Y'all would be surprised. And that's something that you'll read.
But I'm shy when you listen to these presentations, and
I'm sure everybody's kind of learning when they watch our
podcasts as well. There is a ton of personal experiences.
There's tons of UFO encounters, there's tons and tons of

(01:12:58):
cryptid encounters and even more ghost stories on top of
all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Right, and you know we have UFO. You're right, Christie,
we have UFO sightings in this area almost nightly. I
can drive fifteen minutes, and yes, if I'm out there
at the right time of night, I can see them.
I need to get some better camera equipment so that
I can get some Yeah, it was a little bit

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of politics. I wasn't wrong. I don't. I really don't
think so. I think that's where the demons are living.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
It's us correct if that applies, no matter whose.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Power, you're right it does. I don't like politicians of
any stripe, so well, I'm an I'm an equal opportunity basher.
I don't care what side they're on.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
Yeah, we don't have demons. We have flash pedestrial and
other speaky things that are worse than that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
But yeah, I mean, this is a good area to
have the para con, I believe, because we do have
so much stuff going on. We're right here on the
thirty seventh parallel. They wrote a book about it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
Yes, we've done shows about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
We've done shows about it. There's just a lot going
on here, and so there are a lot of groups
out here that are looking into different things. And so
we've got a a pretty uh a pretty robust uh

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body of evidence to fall back on and and lots
of people who are interested in tracking it. So please
come out to the pera Con or watch us on YouTube. Ah.
We hope you all have a good time.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
M hmm, we always do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Let's move on before we fall out, Okay, Doki h
He's right, we need to leave that to the politicians.
This is the wrong show for that. If you like politics, well,
nobody likes politics. If you like politics, you can listen

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to the other show. We talked about it more often.
We try to avoid it whenever possible. Moving on. That's
about all I had for tonight. Me too.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
I think we covered quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Kid says I drive your way and almost watch for
sap watch carrying a cow. I've not seen it yet.
It can happen, It could happen. Yes, yes, weird camera
pictures from around here. You know, I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah,
we have a dog man two dog man sightings, not

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eleven miles from here.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
So yeah, thank you, Sylvain.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Yeah, thanks Sylvain. We hope everybody has enjoyed themselves. Uh,
Pam and I were on here without our minder, so
given for being in the weed a lot. Yes, I'm
kind of kind of famous for getting into the weeds.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
Yeah, just as it hasn't been here to rain us
in so yep. Yeah, we've been off topic a few times.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Most of the show. Pam, it's normal. It won't be anybody,
all right, guys. I I hope you all have a
fantastic night and we will see you in two weeks
on the Fringe and a week from Wednesday on Board

(01:17:00):
Town Strange with Pam and Jess, we will be doing
part three, I believe, Part three, Part three of I'm Anomalies. Yes,
so let's see just enough of it yet. Please check
out border Town Strange on YouTube, yes, where we talk

(01:17:23):
about well, we talk a lot about the Para Air
Rock Con and the strange things that happened to us
on the border of the Kansas Oklahoma border, which is
the thirty seventh parallel.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
A weird stories from our area. Go check out border
Town Strange because we've got some crazy, crazy stories that
we've been telling just the last few shows over there
about things that happen here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Can we find a link for that at www atdk
Bordertown Paranormal.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
What what Portertown Paranormal dot com is the website to me?

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Yeah? So there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Yeah, we're on YouTube Underbordertown Strange. That might be easier.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Yep, YouTube under Bordertown Strange. Uh, come check them out. Uh,
I'm gonna be honest with you. The girls put on
a way better show than I do. Oh, I really
think that. Honestly, If if I wasn't working ten hours
a day, six days a week, I probably could give

(01:18:38):
it a better shot. But I think you guys do
a bang up job and you Uh, if you if
you want to see a really good show, same cast,
different driver, please go visit Bordertown Strange. These girls are

(01:18:58):
the queens uh of proper research and not tonight. Well,
I mean we all have our bad nights. That that's
not that's not the norm. That's actually not the point
of this show. The point on this show is really

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just start a conversation and get people to do their
own research and make up their own mind. That's all
we ask. Absolutely. Like I said, we don't claim to
be experts. We just claim to be interested.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
I claim to not be an expert.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
So there we go, right, right, the non expert expert.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
Yes, yes, and that's right. Christy will be joining us
on Bordertown strange the next show.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
So and she's got some great stories.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
She has some fantastic stories, so it'll be good.

Speaker 7 (01:19:59):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Well, with that being said, I think it's I think
we've done our done our due diligence.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
Done as much damage as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Done as much damage as possible. Yet, Oh, I'm sure
we've damaged somebody's minds at least I have, maybe even
the video device that they were watching the show on.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
Thank you, he said, Cheerio. All I really do enjoy
this format of weirdness. Have a great week. Yay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
We've enjoyed having you on Ian You've you've had some
pretty good points. Please visit us anytime you want. So,
all right, with that being said, good night.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
All, good night everybody. Yay,