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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome. It's the One Bad Podcast. Here's your host, Kad
and Shaner Okatie.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We didn't get to your Scarecrow story on our Scarecrow's episode,
so kick it off, buddy.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, I mean, we we shared some great stories. I mean,
what I found out just yesterday was kind of crazy.
Rock one or two here in town called me and
they're like, did you hear the news? And I was
like what, and they're like, basically, they had they they
just did this poll online with like fourteen hundred voters
the top twenty songs that rock on two plays, and
we made the top twenty, which is we made number twenty,
(00:39):
which is, as they joked, were there first in line
if you just flipped the list upside down. So we're
number twenty and they're like, what song do you guess
it is? And for me, it's gonna be either Scarecrows
or Blues, but I went Scarecrows and that was right.
So it's kind of cool. I mean the song. You know,
we talked about what special is for us, but obviously
there's it really sticks with listeners. It's like their first
(01:00):
experience with obs for most listeners, you know, and there's
something about it, you know. I remember people kept messing
and be like, yeah, some of us said they kind
of heard the bit of a bon Jovi vibe and
your vocal on there, you know, and and of Cornell
a little axe or whatever. But I remember people be like, what, who,
what band is this? You know, so that was the song.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, that's really cool man. Well that's thanks for sharing,
because that's the first I've heard of that. So that's
that's amazing. And it's funny because for a while, I remember,
you know, as tours started to kick off and stuff
like bigger tours we went out in this era I
think is when we went out with Glorious Suns and
Airborne and we were the Scarecrow. Yeah. I remember being
(01:39):
the Scarecrow's band because we'd play and then when we
get to that song, people would be like, oh shit,
we we didn't know you guys were that band, you know,
and I was a little I remember being put off
by it. But then I'm like, well, no, that's crazy,
because that's that is how you get into music for
a lot of people, right Like, they get a song
that hooks them and then they don't even know who
it is because oftentimes they'll miss the name, you know
(02:00):
when it's announced on the radio and stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, you you were always kind of anti hit in
the early days until you had some hits and then
you then you've came became a hit.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I said.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I remember, I was like, yeah, playing to these people
is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
You know, playing the full house is actually a good time.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, well, you know it's funny, man, And we
say it jokingly, but there is a there's like this
love hate relationship with uh, with the radio and even
streaming now right because the new thing is like it's like, oh,
you want a playlist, try to We're we're trying to
get on Spotify playlists like we used to try to
get on the radio in a way like there, and
(02:40):
it's it's tough because you know, if you're an underground act,
you can build Like I think of a band like
the Cancer Bats.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
You know, they don't get radio, they never have.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
They have a massive following it all over the world,
right and they can tour ur any time, and there's, uh,
there's something to be said about that because you're.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Not you, You're not Your career is not.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Contingent on whether or not radio plays a single and
that as we found out, and as this story goes on,
this really started to creep into the band and into
our mindset because we go from playing to nobody, Scarecrows
comes out, then You're right, it Ain't Right comes out
and does really well, goes top twenty. We'll talk about
(03:19):
Blues for sure, but we're playing to now packed houses
and that's when we made the move from playing buds
in Saskatoon to playing Coors, right, Like that's a jump
from two hundred people to like eleven hundred people, and
you know, everything goes up from there. So it's really
hard not to get in your head when it comes
(03:39):
time for the next single, like what's it going to be? Right?
Because you mentioned in the last podcast, all of a
sudden it was like, oh, like shit, what's the follow up?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Right? And it Ain't Right? And Blues we knew were
great songs.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We still didn't get support from the label, but at
this point at least they were like, we have no
idea why you're successful, We have no idea why people
like Scarecrows, so we'll just defer to your judgment. So
it did get easier, yeah, to at least kick singles.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Right, they let us pick the next two, I mean,
with a little bit of pushback. But that's that's why
I say to young bands like you, when you have success,
it buys you some freedoms, right in terms of choices. Right,
but yeah, they let us pick the next two, which
was kind of a bit of a win.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh, absolutely, but it did, like, you know, it started
getting in our heads. I know, you and I have.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Talked about this a lot on the road and otherwise
that it became like you saw how big things could get,
the bigger your hits could get. And then our next
thing was like, well, okay, we got a number five
it in rate hit eleven. Blues went five or six? Yeah, six,
And we'll get into that, which it's funny in radio.
(04:49):
I think it actually had more plays than Scarecrows, But
that's the way radio works. It depends who else is
out there and how many spins everyone else is getting, right,
So yeah, but you know that was tough man. And
I remember talking to a friend in a band and
they hadn't been on radio yet and they were like,
oh great, seeing this happen to you guys.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And I said to him, I said, I I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'd love it if you had big hits on the radio,
but I also want you to know that you don't
have to do that. And it can start to get
dangerous once you start to get mainstream success in that way,
because now you're talking to radio people who you and
I both know across the country, across the world.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
They're not all music people.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You're trying to convince non music people what songs to play,
and radio is a whole thing in itself. It's difficult.
It's a difficult world. Like they can only play so
many songs, so what are they going to add anyway.
I don't want to ramble on about it, but it
is like the world of like once we got that
taste of success, like you said, it really changed things.
(05:52):
It changed things in my mind, I know it changed
things for us. Now you run into that danger of
like where he's gonna write for the radio now or
because to this point, even with Scarecrows, we wrote it
because we thought it was a good song.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Period.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
We didn't really think about radio as far except for
like how long it was and like things that could get.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It on radio. But it's real time technical difficulties. Katie anyway, you.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Know, we got a lot to talk about, especially with
the Red album, because it really did kick things off
for us. But it was where we started the podcast
talking about our twenty eighteen too or and just how
worn out we were by that point. There's kind of
this thing that happened when Scarecrows came out, which was
like playing to more people, doing more stuff, finally getting
(06:40):
some success in our career, but also it was the
beginning of this sort of dark like I don't know
if this sounds too heavy, but it was like you
can correct me if I'm wrong, if you felt this way.
It was like a darkness creeping in though, this like
monkey started to get on our back of like what you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Need to do to keep the success going. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Well, and again, I think that's why I always have
a soft spot for Scarecrows because, like you said, we
didn't write it to become a radio hit, right, and
I mean that whole record. We wanted to write stuff
that was catching. We were trying to reach millions of people.
I mean, I think we.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Didn't want radio for sure, you know, but it was
like you.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Know, and and then you're right, So once that happens,
then it's like, of course, where where is Scarecrows too?
You know, we should we should shouldn't even fall up
record that, No, but but we we really tried to
not do that, right. We see where the songs come from,
try to make them catchy, but it is it's always
in the back of your mind, right, And that's the
whole thing. It's like, and I think we did a
(07:37):
pretty good job of this is just writing songs. Don't
let the commercial aspect of it creep until the songs
are done, you know what I mean, Like write a
song to its fruition, see whatever magic is sulting around
in the ether, which I always think. Our job is
just to pull it down and then and once it's
all done, once the once the paint is on the wall,
then you say, which one of these is a hit?
(07:58):
You know, which one of these is the picass? So
you know, but like you said, and we'll get into
that later with that that that I guess which is
our last record now, our last release in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Or eighteen eighteen.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, you know, like at that point we just I
think we were just trying to We'd had some hits,
We had a number one even and it didn't really change,
Like it's not we all of a sudden had a
bunch of money or anything like that. Like, it didn't
really change our lives. So I think we realized what
it means to have a hit in Canada, and it
was hard because we realized we couldn't make a living
off it, you know, and unless you're on the road
(08:34):
eleven months of the year, which is hard. And but yeah,
I think you're right, it sort of crept in. And
but let's also I want to talk a bit too
about so the Red album. We haven't really talked a
ton about, right, I mean, yeah, you know, I think
so it ain't right second single. I remember it was like,
(08:56):
well it still is one of our fan favorites, I.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Think, right, oh huge, Yeah, I still love it.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I love some of your best lyrics and uh and
the lyrics actually seem to resident even more now than
they did back then, which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I know it's it's odd, but percent and I
mean your work on it too. That's your music, that piece, right,
like so that that was cool because that's a piece
of music you brought. Oh right, Yeah, you know, it's
funny the things you remember and forget, but that was
definitely that was your music. And it also just like
it was hooky right off the hot.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, and again our team it is like it was
too political, was the idea right? It's like, you don't
have to be a political band, like leave the politics
to rage against the machine. They're the one band that
can have politics, but not one bad Son. We're like
fuck that, Like this is a great song. Again, we
saw that we believe in and so we had to
(09:47):
sort and at the end of the day we just
basically said, hey, Scarecrow's worked, so let us release this
and it would have gone top the quick side story,
which is kind of funny. It would have gone top ten.
But remember so many stations and it's worse now. But
they got sort of disqualified from being a counting station
because they played too much classic rock. So, in other words,
(10:07):
if you don't play enough new rock, the spins that
you do play don't count towards You're not a modern
rock station, you're a classic rock station. So a bunch
of the stations that loved us and got us to
number five, the Scarecrows played too many Jesse's Girl and
then now they don't now those spins for us don't
count because then now they're not a counting station, so
(10:29):
we it stalled at number eleven. It should have been
our second top tenth, but it got stuck at eleven
because the Calgary station, I won't say it was now
for that period was a classic rock station.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, and that, man, I'm glad you brought that up.
I actually kind of forgot about that, and I remember
that it had it ain't right, had the same It
had very close to the same spin count as Scarecrows.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Whichever. How are many spins?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I guess we should break this down quick because there's
probably a lot of people that don't know how this works.
We won't get in crazy depth about it, but it's
like you get, it's spun so many times a week,
so and based on how how many times literally they
played the song on each station, that's your chart for
that week. Right, But you have to be accounting station,
like you said, And usually smaller radio stations like take
(11:16):
Grand Prairie for example, they played the shit out of
us still, but they've never been accounting station because you
got to pay extra money for that.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
It's a whole other thing.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So we could get played eight hundred times a day
in Grand Prairie, and it doesn't count towards our chart position.
And we had a lot of non counting stations, which
was great because we had amazing crowds and played awesome
shows and still do. But a lot of people don't
understand that, Like they will hear us on their local
station and wonder why the song is not charting higher.
(11:45):
But it's because of there's so many things like that
behind the scenes that like this podcast could go deep
into the weeds where Eddie is living, Eddie Vedder lives
waiting for Cornell to call him out.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But that's part of the deal. There's all those things
that we had.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
We did know about that, right, Like you just think
radio's playing you like that we're charting, but like, no,
you're not charting. Only these stations count and the big
city stations are the tough ones to get usually, and yeah,
so it ain't right.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You're right, like they coming back to that song. I
loved it. You know, I was in a pretty political headspace.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I think we've you start to realize it's kind of volatile,
and you also kind of didn't want to always divide
your fans. I think I started to realize you want
to unite people through music unless you our rage and
you're just like this is the message Plus that song,
I will say, it wasn't a left to right stance.
And it's crazy the way the world's gone to, like
you're on this team or you're on that team.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Right, And that's what the song was about.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's like I in a nutshell, it ain't right, is
about like why do people line up behind their billionaire
of choice, you know what I mean? And it's like
stop doing that, Like you're you're you're cheering for which
billlionaire you know you're going to side with, Like doesn't
matter what political figure it is. It's like they they're
(13:08):
in a different world than you. So just like pay
attention to you, be good to your neighbor, you know,
like h And it was about that. But people, as
we find we found out, depending on what part of
the world you're playing, and they would take that song
in very different ways.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, yeah, to me, it's more classiest, right, like it's
rich against the poor, which to me, that to my worldview,
which is the world is run by five families that
are incredibly wealthy, you know, And yeah, the left right
doesn't matter as much to me as rich to poor right. Yeah, yeah,
I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And because I told somebody recently, I said, you realize
that no matter what you do and how much you
yell at your neighbor, like any political figure that's running
the world right now, they will remain incredibly wealthy whether
they win the next election or not. They're gonna be okay,
but you won't, you know what I mean? People anyway,
(14:01):
So it was cool that we got that one in there,
and it has been like a staple of our set
since then, and every time we play it live.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It goes over crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So I'm really proud of that song, honestly, and I
think sometimes any Right gets a little overlooked because the
other songs charted a bit higher.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But it's still one of my all time favorites. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And then there's that oh we have well, actually, you
know what, this is perfect because just like Scarecrows kind
of had its own episode, we'll devote a good amount
of time to the next single, which also became a
crazy hit for us. And still there is no song
that we play live that gets a bigger reaction every
time the guitar line kicks off and that's retribution blues.
(14:46):
So I say, uh, like, we're like a minute early here, Katie,
Unless you have any other thoughts on this, we could
cut this one off and just we can jump into
the next one. Talk about Blueskay, Retribution blues next time,
Katie Night. Thanks for listening to One Bad podcast.
Welcome. It's the One Bad Podcast. Here's your host, Kad
and Shaner Okatie.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We didn't get to your Scarecrow story on our Scarecrow's episode,
so kick it off, buddy.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, I mean, we we shared some great stories. I mean,
what I found out just yesterday was kind of crazy.
Rock one or two here in town called me and
they're like, did you hear the news? And I was
like what, and they're like, basically, they had they they
just did this poll online with like fourteen hundred voters
the top twenty songs that rock on two plays, and
we made the top twenty, which is we made number twenty,
(00:39):
which is, as they joked, were there first in line
if you just flipped the list upside down. So we're
number twenty and they're like, what song do you guess
it is? And for me, it's gonna be either Scarecrows
or Blues, but I went Scarecrows and that was right.
So it's kind of cool. I mean the song. You know,
we talked about what special is for us, but obviously
there's it really sticks with listeners. It's like their first
(01:00):
experience with obs for most listeners, you know, and there's
something about it, you know. I remember people kept messing
and be like, yeah, some of us said they kind
of heard the bit of a bon Jovi vibe and
your vocal on there, you know, and and of Cornell
a little axe or whatever. But I remember people be like, what, who,
what band is this? You know, so that was the song.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, that's really cool man. Well that's thanks for sharing,
because that's the first I've heard of that. So that's
that's amazing. And it's funny because for a while, I remember,
you know, as tours started to kick off and stuff
like bigger tours we went out in this era I
think is when we went out with Glorious Suns and
Airborne and we were the Scarecrow. Yeah. I remember being
(01:39):
the Scarecrow's band because we'd play and then when we
get to that song, people would be like, oh shit,
we we didn't know you guys were that band, you know,
and I was a little I remember being put off
by it. But then I'm like, well, no, that's crazy,
because that's that is how you get into music for
a lot of people, right Like, they get a song
that hooks them and then they don't even know who
it is because oftentimes they'll miss the name, you know
(02:00):
when it's announced on the radio and stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, you you were always kind of anti hit in
the early days until you had some hits and then
you then you've came became a hit.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I said.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I remember, I was like, yeah, playing to these people
is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
You know, playing the full house is actually a good time.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, well, you know it's funny, man, And we
say it jokingly, but there is a there's like this
love hate relationship with uh, with the radio and even
streaming now right because the new thing is like it's like, oh,
you want a playlist, try to We're we're trying to
get on Spotify playlists like we used to try to
get on the radio in a way like there, and
(02:40):
it's it's tough because you know, if you're an underground act,
you can build Like I think of a band like
the Cancer Bats.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
You know, they don't get radio, they never have.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
They have a massive following it all over the world,
right and they can tour ur any time, and there's, uh,
there's something to be said about that because you're.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Not you, You're not Your career is not.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Contingent on whether or not radio plays a single and
that as we found out, and as this story goes on,
this really started to creep into the band and into
our mindset because we go from playing to nobody, Scarecrows
comes out, then You're right, it Ain't Right comes out
and does really well, goes top twenty. We'll talk about
(03:19):
Blues for sure, but we're playing to now packed houses
and that's when we made the move from playing buds
in Saskatoon to playing Coors, right, Like that's a jump
from two hundred people to like eleven hundred people, and
you know, everything goes up from there. So it's really
hard not to get in your head when it comes
(03:39):
time for the next single, like what's it going to be? Right?
Because you mentioned in the last podcast, all of a
sudden it was like, oh, like shit, what's the follow up?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Right? And it Ain't Right? And Blues we knew were
great songs.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We still didn't get support from the label, but at
this point at least they were like, we have no
idea why you're successful, We have no idea why people
like Scarecrows, so we'll just defer to your judgment. So
it did get easier, yeah, to at least kick singles.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Right, they let us pick the next two, I mean,
with a little bit of pushback. But that's that's why
I say to young bands like you, when you have success,
it buys you some freedoms, right in terms of choices. Right,
but yeah, they let us pick the next two, which
was kind of a bit of a win.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh, absolutely, but it did, like, you know, it started
getting in our heads. I know, you and I have.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Talked about this a lot on the road and otherwise
that it became like you saw how big things could get,
the bigger your hits could get. And then our next
thing was like, well, okay, we got a number five
it in rate hit eleven. Blues went five or six? Yeah, six,
And we'll get into that, which it's funny in radio.
(04:49):
I think it actually had more plays than Scarecrows, But
that's the way radio works. It depends who else is
out there and how many spins everyone else is getting, right,
So yeah, but you know that was tough man. And
I remember talking to a friend in a band and
they hadn't been on radio yet and they were like,
oh great, seeing this happen to you guys.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And I said to him, I said, I I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'd love it if you had big hits on the radio,
but I also want you to know that you don't
have to do that. And it can start to get
dangerous once you start to get mainstream success in that way,
because now you're talking to radio people who you and
I both know across the country, across the world.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
They're not all music people.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You're trying to convince non music people what songs to play,
and radio is a whole thing in itself. It's difficult.
It's a difficult world. Like they can only play so
many songs, so what are they going to add anyway.
I don't want to ramble on about it, but it
is like the world of like once we got that
taste of success, like you said, it really changed things.
(05:52):
It changed things in my mind, I know it changed
things for us. Now you run into that danger of
like where he's gonna write for the radio now or
because to this point, even with Scarecrows, we wrote it
because we thought it was a good song.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Period.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
We didn't really think about radio as far except for
like how long it was and like things that could get.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It on radio. But it's real time technical difficulties. Katie anyway, you.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Know, we got a lot to talk about, especially with
the Red album, because it really did kick things off
for us. But it was where we started the podcast
talking about our twenty eighteen too or and just how
worn out we were by that point. There's kind of
this thing that happened when Scarecrows came out, which was
like playing to more people, doing more stuff, finally getting
(06:40):
some success in our career, but also it was the
beginning of this sort of dark like I don't know
if this sounds too heavy, but it was like you
can correct me if I'm wrong, if you felt this way.
It was like a darkness creeping in though, this like
monkey started to get on our back of like what you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Need to do to keep the success going. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Well, and again, I think that's why I always have
a soft spot for Scarecrows because, like you said, we
didn't write it to become a radio hit, right, and
I mean that whole record. We wanted to write stuff
that was catching. We were trying to reach millions of people.
I mean, I think we.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Didn't want radio for sure, you know, but it was
like you.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Know, and and then you're right, So once that happens,
then it's like, of course, where where is Scarecrows too?
You know, we should we should shouldn't even fall up
record that, No, but but we we really tried to
not do that, right. We see where the songs come from,
try to make them catchy, but it is it's always
in the back of your mind, right, And that's the
whole thing. It's like, and I think we did a
(07:37):
pretty good job of this is just writing songs. Don't
let the commercial aspect of it creep until the songs
are done, you know what I mean, Like write a
song to its fruition, see whatever magic is sulting around
in the ether, which I always think. Our job is
just to pull it down and then and once it's
all done, once the once the paint is on the wall,
then you say, which one of these is a hit?
(07:58):
You know, which one of these is the picass? So
you know, but like you said, and we'll get into
that later with that that that I guess which is
our last record now, our last release in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Or eighteen eighteen.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, you know, like at that point we just I
think we were just trying to We'd had some hits,
We had a number one even and it didn't really change,
Like it's not we all of a sudden had a
bunch of money or anything like that. Like, it didn't
really change our lives. So I think we realized what
it means to have a hit in Canada, and it
was hard because we realized we couldn't make a living
off it, you know, and unless you're on the road
(08:34):
eleven months of the year, which is hard. And but yeah,
I think you're right, it sort of crept in. And
but let's also I want to talk a bit too
about so the Red album. We haven't really talked a
ton about, right, I mean, yeah, you know, I think
so it ain't right second single. I remember it was like,
(08:56):
well it still is one of our fan favorites, I.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Think, right, oh huge, Yeah, I still love it.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I love some of your best lyrics and uh and
the lyrics actually seem to resident even more now than
they did back then, which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I know it's it's odd, but percent and I
mean your work on it too. That's your music, that piece, right,
like so that that was cool because that's a piece
of music you brought. Oh right, Yeah, you know, it's
funny the things you remember and forget, but that was
definitely that was your music. And it also just like
it was hooky right off the hot.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, and again our team it is like it was
too political, was the idea right? It's like, you don't
have to be a political band, like leave the politics
to rage against the machine. They're the one band that
can have politics, but not one bad Son. We're like
fuck that, Like this is a great song. Again, we
saw that we believe in and so we had to
(09:47):
sort and at the end of the day we just
basically said, hey, Scarecrow's worked, so let us release this
and it would have gone top the quick side story,
which is kind of funny. It would have gone top ten.
But remember so many stations and it's worse now. But
they got sort of disqualified from being a counting station
because they played too much classic rock. So, in other words,
(10:07):
if you don't play enough new rock, the spins that
you do play don't count towards You're not a modern
rock station, you're a classic rock station. So a bunch
of the stations that loved us and got us to
number five, the Scarecrows played too many Jesse's Girl and
then now they don't now those spins for us don't
count because then now they're not a counting station, so
(10:29):
we it stalled at number eleven. It should have been
our second top tenth, but it got stuck at eleven
because the Calgary station, I won't say it was now
for that period was a classic rock station.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, and that, man, I'm glad you brought that up.
I actually kind of forgot about that, and I remember
that it had it ain't right, had the same It
had very close to the same spin count as Scarecrows.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Whichever. How are many spins?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I guess we should break this down quick because there's
probably a lot of people that don't know how this works.
We won't get in crazy depth about it, but it's
like you get, it's spun so many times a week,
so and based on how how many times literally they
played the song on each station, that's your chart for
that week. Right, But you have to be accounting station,
like you said, And usually smaller radio stations like take
(11:16):
Grand Prairie for example, they played the shit out of
us still, but they've never been accounting station because you
got to pay extra money for that.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
It's a whole other thing.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So we could get played eight hundred times a day
in Grand Prairie, and it doesn't count towards our chart position.
And we had a lot of non counting stations, which
was great because we had amazing crowds and played awesome
shows and still do. But a lot of people don't
understand that, Like they will hear us on their local
station and wonder why the song is not charting higher.
(11:45):
But it's because of there's so many things like that
behind the scenes that like this podcast could go deep
into the weeds where Eddie is living, Eddie Vedder lives
waiting for Cornell to call him out.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But that's part of the deal. There's all those things
that we had.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
We did know about that, right, Like you just think
radio's playing you like that we're charting, but like, no,
you're not charting. Only these stations count and the big
city stations are the tough ones to get usually, and yeah,
so it ain't right.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You're right, like they coming back to that song. I
loved it. You know, I was in a pretty political headspace.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I think we've you start to realize it's kind of volatile,
and you also kind of didn't want to always divide
your fans. I think I started to realize you want
to unite people through music unless you our rage and
you're just like this is the message Plus that song,
I will say, it wasn't a left to right stance.
And it's crazy the way the world's gone to, like
you're on this team or you're on that team.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Right, And that's what the song was about.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's like I in a nutshell, it ain't right, is
about like why do people line up behind their billionaire
of choice, you know what I mean? And it's like
stop doing that, Like you're you're you're cheering for which
billlionaire you know you're going to side with, Like doesn't
matter what political figure it is. It's like they they're
(13:08):
in a different world than you. So just like pay
attention to you, be good to your neighbor, you know,
like h And it was about that. But people, as
we find we found out, depending on what part of
the world you're playing, and they would take that song
in very different ways.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, yeah, to me, it's more classiest, right, like it's
rich against the poor, which to me, that to my worldview,
which is the world is run by five families that
are incredibly wealthy, you know, And yeah, the left right
doesn't matter as much to me as rich to poor right. Yeah, yeah,
I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And because I told somebody recently, I said, you realize
that no matter what you do and how much you
yell at your neighbor, like any political figure that's running
the world right now, they will remain incredibly wealthy whether
they win the next election or not. They're gonna be okay,
but you won't, you know what I mean? People anyway,
(14:01):
So it was cool that we got that one in there,
and it has been like a staple of our set
since then, and every time we play it live.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It goes over crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So I'm really proud of that song, honestly, and I
think sometimes any Right gets a little overlooked because the
other songs charted a bit higher.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But it's still one of my all time favorites. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And then there's that oh we have well, actually, you
know what, this is perfect because just like Scarecrows kind
of had its own episode, we'll devote a good amount
of time to the next single, which also became a
crazy hit for us. And still there is no song
that we play live that gets a bigger reaction every
time the guitar line kicks off and that's retribution blues.
(14:46):
So I say, uh, like, we're like a minute early here, Katie,
Unless you have any other thoughts on this, we could
cut this one off and just we can jump into
the next one. Talk about Blueskay, Retribution blues next time,
Katie Night. Thanks for listening to One Bad podcast.
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