August 16, 2024 • 16 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome the One Bad Podcast. Here's your host, Kadi and Shaner.
All right, Katie, obviously we do these episodes in kind
of chunks, and we just had a lengthy discussion as
to where we left off. So we were kind of
talking about Arenas in that. But we should hold off
(00:23):
on that because we haven't quite You reminded me we
hadn't quite hit that yet. That was during the Black
Buffalo era. But this is a really cool time to
talk about something. You said the words before we hopped
on here the sophomore Jinx. So we'd done the Red album.
We had like, you know, struggle, struggle, struggle for almost
(00:45):
ten years. Red album comes out. Finally we get you know,
some hits on the radio traction, our shows are getting bigger.
But of course the next thing is the question we
get asked all the time, what's next?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right, Yeah, and that's we never had to Like some
artists are never lucky enough to have that real success
and so they don't have to you know, live up
to it after that. But we were lucky that Red
album broke through after eight years of doing it. And
then in the music biz, once you have success, then
you're sort of competing against yourself right to some extent, right,
(01:18):
and there's expectation set right, So all of our fans
were expecting Scarecrows Part two or Blues part two, and
I think that's I mean, every artist deals with this,
if they've had any level of success. It can be
quite a weight on your shoulders.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, and it is man and it's this is very
meta because I'm not sure when this episode is going
to drop, but our newest single, too Young to Burn,
just hit the radio. It's actually streaming, Like streaming numbers
are crazy right now. So thanks to everybody who's streaming
the shit out of it and requesting it on the radio.
But it's kind of timely because we're getting asked right
(01:54):
now what we started to get asked, or once Black
Buffalo came out out, we're getting asked the same question
or or having the same feedback of like, oh, like
it doesn't sound like your old stuff, or it's not
as good as your old stuff, or you know you,
you're like you run this risk of like you just said,
(02:14):
it's gonna sound like your old stuff, it doesn't sound
like your old stuff, or if it sounds like your
old stuff, they wish it sounded like something new, right,
Like there's I've heard many artists talk about this, but
if you're chasing what the fans want, or what you
think the fans want, because you know oftentimes that's what
it is you get in your own head, you can
really fall into a trap. And we started to discover
(02:38):
this because up until this point we're just writing. You know,
there's no hits, there's no there's nothing to live up
to to this point, right, So now it's like, okay,
what do we do? I think luckily i'd love to
get your recollection on this. But like we went from
like two or two or two are with the rad
album to and I think we started to come up
(03:00):
with ideas and that on the road. But to me,
it sort of felt like writing, touring and starting to
write Black Buffalo was kind of like all one thing
to me, Like we didn't really have this time to
stop and be like, oh wow, we're going to do
a new record. It was like we were writing anyways, right,
And we had that two year almost break as we
said before, when Carly Ray's record came out and everybody
(03:23):
got put on the shelf. So we'd been writing, so
it felt a little more fluid, and I think we
probably remind me about the timeline on this, but I'd
imagine we probably had a lot of the songs like
Satellite Hotel working before Scarecrows and stuff had hit. But
do you remember that time?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, good point, Like I think it was sort of
just like that was I would say the busiest time
in our career in terms of like touring and stuff.
Like they were away from our families more than ever.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was like saying yes to everything, right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I think it was like I remember one year,
a couple of years in that time being away from
home like nine months of the year or something, right,
which people, you know, the casual viewers of the music
biz don't really understand what it actually takes to break through, right,
Like they just see you one night when you come
to their city and you melt their face and you're
on They think you're living the rock world dream, which
(04:16):
you are. But it's also a lot of sacrifice, right.
I think we were gone nine months of the year
for those couple of years around this time. But I
remember we did remember we rented a cabin in like
like in the northern Ontario but kind of like right,
with the Manitoba border, right, and we did like a
whole writing retreat. It wasn't like didn't we found out
(04:38):
later that the woman who rented to us, like her
husband had just killed himself or something like a year ago.
So it was a cheap, cheap rent, you.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Know, man. That's I'm glad you reminded me of that.
Maybe I blocked some of that out of them, out
of my mind, but you're right that we did do
that exactly that and that you are right. And I
think we maybe found that out later about the death
in the house and just kind of I didn't realize
until we've done this retrospective how much we've stayed in
(05:07):
haunted hotels, haunted houses. It's like that we're gonna have
to do like the Obs, the Obs podcast, like Halloween
edition with all all these things. Well, but no continue
meg is. I I think I blanked on that. You're right.
We were out there for three or four days just
writing NonStop.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I remember because we just we had we played in Canora, right,
so Canora, yeah, Ontario, but it's like right by, it's
you're basically in Manitoba, and we were like we have
some I was like, what if it just take some
time off. And just like I always loved those certain
records like the Chili Pepper's Blood Sugar where they rented
out a mansion. We didn't have that kind of budget,
but they rented a mansi in La and just like
(05:44):
lived in it for I think several months. We just
lived and breathed the record and writing and all that stuff.
I just kind of had a romantic notion of that, right,
like us hanging out, but a Canadian version, so in
the kind of like the the Muskoka kind of vibe
on terror and I think I think we're there for
like five six days something. But I remember certain breakthroughs,
(06:07):
like I remember Decades was a big breakthrough. When it
came through, I was like, holy crap, Black Buffalo, I remember,
like this is this is gonna be a big one,
you know. And then Satellite I remember it sort of
reminded me of sort of like a slash riff, you
know that Hicks had, and I was like, let's let's
do something with that. But yeah, I mean I think
that was I looking back, I think to go back
(06:29):
to the whole sophomore jinx or whatever. Right like, looking back,
I mean I remember we all This is what I
really appreciated about the four of us in that era,
was just like we were like a band of brothers.
We didn't care about whatever the trends were in rock
radio because we never, like we said earlier, we didn't
know what the trends were. Therefore we couldn't really chase it.
(06:49):
Like we weren't sitting there being like let's try to sound
like whoever was the hit band? Right, We just did
our own thing. And I think we, the four of us,
deserve some credit for that, Like we never tried to
chase anyone else's sound, right, And I think we just
I remember, we just hunkered down and tried to find
the best rifts. Always start with the riffs, that's kind
of the obs motto, and then build.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
On that, right.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And Yeah, I mean I didn't feel I didn't feel
a lot of pressure to top that first record, but
or at least not that I noticed at the time. But
I mean maybe did you feel, like from from a
lyricist vocalist downpoint, like did you have to kind of
like so you had to like write catch your stuff
or how did you feel about it?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah? I mean I think that, I mean you make
great points, man. I do think that we did. And
we talked about this on all of those tours. I mean,
oh my god, the hours and hours and hours on
the road of talking through this stuff. And we didn't
chase trends we knew we almost couldn't. And I think,
you know, we're now moving into the digital era like completely,
(07:51):
and genres and trends, like things are getting weird, like
there's no I feel like this might be a topic
for another time, but I feel like there was no like,
you know, in the mid two thousands you really had
that nickelback sound, you know, you go back to the
nineties or was like the quote unquote grun sound like
hair metal before that, and all you know, you can
sort of see like this is the sound of rock
(08:13):
in this moment. But I think by this time it
was like Monster Truck was getting big. There was already
like I think July Talk was starting to pop off
in Canada. It was sort of like, well, what even
is it? Like I don't think that it wasn't as
though we were like, oh, grunge is the thing, Let's
make a record that sounds like that. I think we
were already like we're getting a lot of headway doing
(08:35):
our thing. We don't even really know what's popular anyways,
so it's like, you're right, we just kind of did
our thing. I think, like I don't know if I
felt the pressure more, just like let's keep getting better.
And I think you and I talked about that a lot,
like let's just keep up in our game, like trying
to get better at our craft, you know, and write
(08:56):
better songs all the time, or at least songs that
we thought were catch here better. All of that. Yeah,
And I think we were having a lot of fun
at that point, and you're right, it was super busy,
super tired, but I think we were in this rhythm
of like play shows, right, songs, you know, repeat, and
then we took that moment, like you said, to go
(09:17):
out and really work on the songs because we probably
had yeah, a lot of ideas up to that point,
but it was like, okay, let's start to solidify some stuff.
And it was great. That was I mean, I kind
of wish we had done that again. We didn't, you know,
we started to run out of time, Like time got
more and more difficult for us, just with the amount
of touring and stuff to take that break to actually right.
(09:39):
But it was great. I remember Granny was scared because
I I'd taken a canoe out to there was all
those islands out there, and I'd never canoed before, and
I got caught in a storm. So like, you know,
it could have all been over then too, but shouted
out to Gran. Shout out to Granny for standing on
the shore and wait until I got home. But yeah, yeah, man,
(10:01):
I think it was just it was a matter of
just you know, we were always trying to up our game, right,
like we were trying to always write songs that maybe
we maybe hadn't written before. I remember you mentioned Decades.
I may have mentioned this before too. We had a
lot of songs that we started and we were like
this guy to Bruce Springsteen vibe. They never really turn
out like that. But Decades felt different, you know. I
(10:22):
think we tried some different stuff on this record. This
one really felt like us. I think we really hit
our stride. And I've heard fans say that too, that
Black Buffalo maybe you know, their favorite song might be
Retribution Blues, but a lot of people, and I don't
know if you've heard this, they say that Black Buffalo
is their favorite record, but maybe there's some energy on
that record that just felt like it was really like
(10:44):
you've already said, at that point, it was like four
of us just almost like we always use this analogy
of being in the submarine. You know, You're like, whatever
is happening in the outside world, it's like, OHBS is
just powering forward, you know. So I think maybe that
comes through in those songs. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, you know, And I just want to say something, man, like,
you know, we've been together for twenty years. I'm just
so grateful that we still get to do this twenty
years on. And I'm grateful I get to do with
you because, honestly, man, like you know, we've been through.
We've had ups and downs as friends and band mates,
like like like any family members do, right, But you know,
(11:20):
we could never I never could have never done twenty
years in a band with someone else, you know what
I mean. And I think we just think of like
thinking of all the shit we've been through, you know,
it's it's a lot, man, And I think, yeah, I
feel lucky, man, I feel lucky that we we were
still doing it together twenty years later.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Man, Well thanks for saying that, Katie, I appreciate it
and the feelings mutual, buddy. I mean, I think that
we mentioned this before we were the same person, you know,
like this thing probably wouldn't have worked, and we've had
our differences and work through it, and I think that's
like such a huge strength, you know what I mean,
Like in this is uh, we were We've talked about
(11:59):
being others in this way of like you know, we're
not blood, but it feels like family at this point,
you know what I mean, And just like and but
it's the family you choose because you're like, this is
what we're gonna do. And yeah, man, I feel very
grateful too. That's in a good moment for that sentiment
because I think really when we talk about this era, man,
it got overwhelming at times, like just the amount of shows,
(12:23):
Like I'd never had to work my voice that hard,
night after night after night. You know, same with drumming,
is not I mean you're doing the most physical thing
in the band, you know, going on sometimes twenty minutes
of sleep a night like that had to be tough.
It was tough for all of us, I know, but
that must have been tough.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
For you well, you know, and you you mentioned it earlier,
just a few minutes ago, and you're so right. I
think this this was we're still having a lot of
fun at this point, right, Like it was just like
we're working our asses off, no doubt, but we were
having so much fun. And then, you know, and with
this record too, and things got a bit less fun
with the next record, right just and we can get
and that obviously, but just pressure and all this stuff
(13:02):
and who we're working with, all that sort of stuff.
But you know, this was really fun, right, So I
think that and I wouldn't have the energy. I don't
think either would have the energy to do what we
did back then now because it was, like you said, yeah,
twenty minutes of sleep we got. I remember a couple
of nights we'd go to the hotel and be like, okay, guys,
like do we do we sleep for an hour or
do we just stay up? Because you know how crappy
(13:23):
you feel after an hour sleep? But I remember also,
but no, we need sleep. So everyone sat there alarms
for one hour from now we're to sleep at this
hotel which we paid, you know, paid the night for
and get up and hit the road and drive, you know,
it's like, oh my god, I couldn't do it now right,
But but it was fun, I think in that, And
I agreed to your point earlier about Black Buffalo, Like,
(13:43):
I think we had a lot of fun, and it's
probably the most technical, like the best songwriting or like
not best songwriting, but like best arrangements and stuff. You know,
I still listen back. I'll listen to, you know, just
like even things like Red Cloud. I'm it's like I
love that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
To me, that's I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Just the arrangements and stuff, you know, Vinyl spin burners,
like it's it's just a ripper, And I think I
think it is probably the best like writing and arranging
we did. Maybe not the biggest hits. The biggest hits
are probably on the first record, But to me, it's
like the stuff. I'm like, I play this when I'm ninety.
I want to play this to other musicians. Big check
(14:23):
of the song I played on you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,
I love Sick Love like it's a banger, Like you know,
there's just cool love that we were at the four
of us. I think we're a collective unit more than
ever on that record, you know what, I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, absolutely, man. I think like you're one hundred percent right,
and we're coming up, coming up on time on this one.
So we'll keep talking black Buffalo in the in the
next episode. And again the tours that started to get
not only longer, but like crazier in size. And I've
been teasing arenas and stuff now for like three episodes.
But if you if you stuck with us this far,
(14:57):
you're gonna stick. But I think the last thing I'll
say before we jumped to the next episode is that
you're right that it was fun. And I think at
this point it was like, okay, we had Scarecrows went
number five, right, and so we were like, let's beat it.
This was that moment of like can we get to
number I mean, obviously number one would have been the thing, right,
(15:17):
so I think we had a lot to shoot for.
Still we were doing that like momentum is with us.
We're going up, we're working our way up. Our label
didn't know why we were successful, so we're still just
kind of like, all right, we'll make our own decisions.
So you're right, this was a really creative time. You
didn't feel like I know, I didn't feel like there
was really anything on it. Yet at this point we
(15:39):
were like, let's let's get a bigger single, let's get
a you know, let's chart higher, let's get bigger tours.
It was like, kind of the world was our oyster
probably at that moment, and it just felt super super
creative for sure. So let's let's talk more Black Buffalo
next time, buddy.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, guys, thanks for listening to One Bad Podcasts. Amia
Welcome the One Bad Podcast. Here's your host, Kadi and Shaner.
All right, Katie, obviously we do these episodes in kind
of chunks, and we just had a lengthy discussion as
to where we left off. So we were kind of
talking about Arenas in that. But we should hold off
(00:23):
on that because we haven't quite You reminded me we
hadn't quite hit that yet. That was during the Black
Buffalo era. But this is a really cool time to
talk about something. You said the words before we hopped
on here the sophomore Jinx. So we'd done the Red album.
We had like, you know, struggle, struggle, struggle for almost
(00:45):
ten years. Red album comes out. Finally we get you know,
some hits on the radio traction, our shows are getting bigger.
But of course the next thing is the question we
get asked all the time, what's next?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right, Yeah, and that's we never had to Like some
artists are never lucky enough to have that real success
and so they don't have to you know, live up
to it after that. But we were lucky that Red
album broke through after eight years of doing it. And
then in the music biz, once you have success, then
you're sort of competing against yourself right to some extent, right,
(01:18):
and there's expectation set right, So all of our fans
were expecting Scarecrows Part two or Blues part two, and
I think that's I mean, every artist deals with this,
if they've had any level of success. It can be
quite a weight on your shoulders.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, and it is man and it's this is very
meta because I'm not sure when this episode is going
to drop, but our newest single, too Young to Burn,
just hit the radio. It's actually streaming, Like streaming numbers
are crazy right now. So thanks to everybody who's streaming
the shit out of it and requesting it on the radio.
But it's kind of timely because we're getting asked right
(01:54):
now what we started to get asked, or once Black
Buffalo came out out, we're getting asked the same question
or or having the same feedback of like, oh, like
it doesn't sound like your old stuff, or it's not
as good as your old stuff, or you know you,
you're like you run this risk of like you just said,
(02:14):
it's gonna sound like your old stuff, it doesn't sound
like your old stuff, or if it sounds like your
old stuff, they wish it sounded like something new, right,
Like there's I've heard many artists talk about this, but
if you're chasing what the fans want, or what you
think the fans want, because you know oftentimes that's what
it is you get in your own head, you can
really fall into a trap. And we started to discover
(02:38):
this because up until this point we're just writing. You know,
there's no hits, there's no there's nothing to live up
to to this point, right, So now it's like, okay,
what do we do? I think luckily i'd love to
get your recollection on this. But like we went from
like two or two or two are with the rad
album to and I think we started to come up
(03:00):
with ideas and that on the road. But to me,
it sort of felt like writing, touring and starting to
write Black Buffalo was kind of like all one thing
to me, Like we didn't really have this time to
stop and be like, oh wow, we're going to do
a new record. It was like we were writing anyways, right,
And we had that two year almost break as we
said before, when Carly Ray's record came out and everybody
(03:23):
got put on the shelf. So we'd been writing, so
it felt a little more fluid, and I think we
probably remind me about the timeline on this, but I'd
imagine we probably had a lot of the songs like
Satellite Hotel working before Scarecrows and stuff had hit. But
do you remember that time?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, good point, Like I think it was sort of
just like that was I would say the busiest time
in our career in terms of like touring and stuff.
Like they were away from our families more than ever.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was like saying yes to everything, right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I think it was like I remember one year,
a couple of years in that time being away from
home like nine months of the year or something, right,
which people, you know, the casual viewers of the music
biz don't really understand what it actually takes to break through, right,
Like they just see you one night when you come
to their city and you melt their face and you're
on They think you're living the rock world dream, which
(04:16):
you are. But it's also a lot of sacrifice, right.
I think we were gone nine months of the year
for those couple of years around this time. But I
remember we did remember we rented a cabin in like
like in the northern Ontario but kind of like right,
with the Manitoba border, right, and we did like a
whole writing retreat. It wasn't like didn't we found out
(04:38):
later that the woman who rented to us, like her
husband had just killed himself or something like a year ago.
So it was a cheap, cheap rent, you.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Know, man. That's I'm glad you reminded me of that.
Maybe I blocked some of that out of them, out
of my mind, but you're right that we did do
that exactly that and that you are right. And I
think we maybe found that out later about the death
in the house and just kind of I didn't realize
until we've done this retrospective how much we've stayed in
(05:07):
haunted hotels, haunted houses. It's like that we're gonna have
to do like the Obs, the Obs podcast, like Halloween
edition with all all these things. Well, but no continue
meg is. I I think I blanked on that. You're right.
We were out there for three or four days just
writing NonStop.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I remember because we just we had we played in Canora, right,
so Canora, yeah, Ontario, but it's like right by, it's
you're basically in Manitoba, and we were like we have
some I was like, what if it just take some
time off. And just like I always loved those certain
records like the Chili Pepper's Blood Sugar where they rented
out a mansion. We didn't have that kind of budget,
but they rented a mansi in La and just like
(05:44):
lived in it for I think several months. We just
lived and breathed the record and writing and all that stuff.
I just kind of had a romantic notion of that, right,
like us hanging out, but a Canadian version, so in
the kind of like the the Muskoka kind of vibe
on terror and I think I think we're there for
like five six days something. But I remember certain breakthroughs,
(06:07):
like I remember Decades was a big breakthrough. When it
came through, I was like, holy crap, Black Buffalo, I remember,
like this is this is gonna be a big one,
you know. And then Satellite I remember it sort of
reminded me of sort of like a slash riff, you
know that Hicks had, and I was like, let's let's
do something with that. But yeah, I mean I think
that was I looking back, I think to go back
(06:29):
to the whole sophomore jinx or whatever. Right like, looking back,
I mean I remember we all This is what I
really appreciated about the four of us in that era,
was just like we were like a band of brothers.
We didn't care about whatever the trends were in rock
radio because we never, like we said earlier, we didn't
know what the trends were. Therefore we couldn't really chase it.
(06:49):
Like we weren't sitting there being like let's try to sound
like whoever was the hit band? Right, We just did
our own thing. And I think we, the four of us,
deserve some credit for that, Like we never tried to
chase anyone else's sound, right, And I think we just
I remember, we just hunkered down and tried to find
the best rifts. Always start with the riffs, that's kind
of the obs motto, and then build.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
On that, right.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And Yeah, I mean I didn't feel I didn't feel
a lot of pressure to top that first record, but
or at least not that I noticed at the time. But
I mean maybe did you feel, like from from a
lyricist vocalist downpoint, like did you have to kind of
like so you had to like write catch your stuff
or how did you feel about it?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah? I mean I think that, I mean you make
great points, man. I do think that we did. And
we talked about this on all of those tours. I mean,
oh my god, the hours and hours and hours on
the road of talking through this stuff. And we didn't
chase trends we knew we almost couldn't. And I think,
you know, we're now moving into the digital era like completely,
(07:51):
and genres and trends, like things are getting weird, like
there's no I feel like this might be a topic
for another time, but I feel like there was no like,
you know, in the mid two thousands you really had
that nickelback sound, you know, you go back to the
nineties or was like the quote unquote grun sound like
hair metal before that, and all you know, you can
sort of see like this is the sound of rock
(08:13):
in this moment. But I think by this time it
was like Monster Truck was getting big. There was already
like I think July Talk was starting to pop off
in Canada. It was sort of like, well, what even
is it? Like I don't think that it wasn't as
though we were like, oh, grunge is the thing, Let's
make a record that sounds like that. I think we
were already like we're getting a lot of headway doing
(08:35):
our thing. We don't even really know what's popular anyways,
so it's like, you're right, we just kind of did
our thing. I think, like I don't know if I
felt the pressure more, just like let's keep getting better.
And I think you and I talked about that a lot,
like let's just keep up in our game, like trying
to get better at our craft, you know, and write
(08:56):
better songs all the time, or at least songs that
we thought were catch here better. All of that. Yeah,
And I think we were having a lot of fun
at that point, and you're right, it was super busy,
super tired, but I think we were in this rhythm
of like play shows, right, songs, you know, repeat, and
then we took that moment, like you said, to go
(09:17):
out and really work on the songs because we probably
had yeah, a lot of ideas up to that point,
but it was like, okay, let's start to solidify some stuff.
And it was great. That was I mean, I kind
of wish we had done that again. We didn't, you know,
we started to run out of time, Like time got
more and more difficult for us, just with the amount
of touring and stuff to take that break to actually right.
(09:39):
But it was great. I remember Granny was scared because
I I'd taken a canoe out to there was all
those islands out there, and I'd never canoed before, and
I got caught in a storm. So like, you know,
it could have all been over then too, but shouted
out to Gran. Shout out to Granny for standing on
the shore and wait until I got home. But yeah, yeah, man,
(10:01):
I think it was just it was a matter of
just you know, we were always trying to up our game, right,
like we were trying to always write songs that maybe
we maybe hadn't written before. I remember you mentioned Decades.
I may have mentioned this before too. We had a
lot of songs that we started and we were like
this guy to Bruce Springsteen vibe. They never really turn
out like that. But Decades felt different, you know. I
(10:22):
think we tried some different stuff on this record. This
one really felt like us. I think we really hit
our stride. And I've heard fans say that too, that
Black Buffalo maybe you know, their favorite song might be
Retribution Blues, but a lot of people, and I don't
know if you've heard this, they say that Black Buffalo
is their favorite record, but maybe there's some energy on
that record that just felt like it was really like
(10:44):
you've already said, at that point, it was like four
of us just almost like we always use this analogy
of being in the submarine. You know, You're like, whatever
is happening in the outside world, it's like, OHBS is
just powering forward, you know. So I think maybe that
comes through in those songs. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, you know, And I just want to say something, man, like,
you know, we've been together for twenty years. I'm just
so grateful that we still get to do this twenty
years on. And I'm grateful I get to do with
you because, honestly, man, like you know, we've been through.
We've had ups and downs as friends and band mates,
like like like any family members do, right, But you know,
(11:20):
we could never I never could have never done twenty
years in a band with someone else, you know what
I mean. And I think we just think of like
thinking of all the shit we've been through, you know,
it's it's a lot, man, And I think, yeah, I
feel lucky, man, I feel lucky that we we were
still doing it together twenty years later.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Man, Well thanks for saying that, Katie, I appreciate it
and the feelings mutual, buddy. I mean, I think that
we mentioned this before we were the same person, you know,
like this thing probably wouldn't have worked, and we've had
our differences and work through it, and I think that's
like such a huge strength, you know what I mean,
Like in this is uh, we were We've talked about
(11:59):
being others in this way of like you know, we're
not blood, but it feels like family at this point,
you know what I mean, And just like and but
it's the family you choose because you're like, this is
what we're gonna do. And yeah, man, I feel very
grateful too. That's in a good moment for that sentiment
because I think really when we talk about this era, man,
it got overwhelming at times, like just the amount of shows,
(12:23):
Like I'd never had to work my voice that hard,
night after night after night. You know, same with drumming,
is not I mean you're doing the most physical thing
in the band, you know, going on sometimes twenty minutes
of sleep a night like that had to be tough.
It was tough for all of us, I know, but
that must have been tough.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
For you well, you know, and you you mentioned it earlier,
just a few minutes ago, and you're so right. I
think this this was we're still having a lot of
fun at this point, right, Like it was just like
we're working our asses off, no doubt, but we were
having so much fun. And then, you know, and with
this record too, and things got a bit less fun
with the next record, right just and we can get
and that obviously, but just pressure and all this stuff
(13:02):
and who we're working with, all that sort of stuff.
But you know, this was really fun, right, So I
think that and I wouldn't have the energy. I don't
think either would have the energy to do what we
did back then now because it was, like you said, yeah,
twenty minutes of sleep we got. I remember a couple
of nights we'd go to the hotel and be like, okay, guys,
like do we do we sleep for an hour or
do we just stay up? Because you know how crappy
(13:23):
you feel after an hour sleep? But I remember also,
but no, we need sleep. So everyone sat there alarms
for one hour from now we're to sleep at this
hotel which we paid, you know, paid the night for
and get up and hit the road and drive, you know,
it's like, oh my god, I couldn't do it now right,
But but it was fun, I think in that, And
I agreed to your point earlier about Black Buffalo, Like,
(13:43):
I think we had a lot of fun, and it's
probably the most technical, like the best songwriting or like
not best songwriting, but like best arrangements and stuff. You know,
I still listen back. I'll listen to, you know, just
like even things like Red Cloud. I'm it's like I
love that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
To me, that's I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Just the arrangements and stuff, you know, Vinyl spin burners,
like it's it's just a ripper, And I think I
think it is probably the best like writing and arranging
we did. Maybe not the biggest hits. The biggest hits
are probably on the first record, But to me, it's
like the stuff. I'm like, I play this when I'm ninety.
I want to play this to other musicians. Big check
(14:23):
of the song I played on you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,
I love Sick Love like it's a banger, Like you know,
there's just cool love that we were at the four
of us. I think we're a collective unit more than
ever on that record, you know what, I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, absolutely, man. I think like you're one hundred percent right,
and we're coming up, coming up on time on this one.
So we'll keep talking black Buffalo in the in the
next episode. And again the tours that started to get
not only longer, but like crazier in size. And I've
been teasing arenas and stuff now for like three episodes.
But if you if you stuck with us this far,
(14:57):
you're gonna stick. But I think the last thing I'll
say before we jumped to the next episode is that
you're right that it was fun. And I think at
this point it was like, okay, we had Scarecrows went
number five, right, and so we were like, let's beat it.
This was that moment of like can we get to
number I mean, obviously number one would have been the thing, right,
(15:17):
so I think we had a lot to shoot for.
Still we were doing that like momentum is with us.
We're going up, we're working our way up. Our label
didn't know why we were successful, so we're still just
kind of like, all right, we'll make our own decisions.
So you're right, this was a really creative time. You
didn't feel like I know, I didn't feel like there
was really anything on it. Yet at this point we
(15:39):
were like, let's let's get a bigger single, let's get
a you know, let's chart higher, let's get bigger tours.
It was like, kind of the world was our oyster
probably at that moment, and it just felt super super
creative for sure. So let's let's talk more Black Buffalo
next time, buddy.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, guys, thanks for listening to One Bad Podcasts. Amia
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