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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome the One Bad Podcast. Here's your host Hed and Shaner.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So KD. We talked, we came full circle on the
podcast talking about the American tour that we did. I'm
sure there's like a million stories that were probably forgetting,
but you know whatever, when this podcast wraps up, if
we have enough we forgot about, we might have to
do some bonus episodes. But yeah, I mean, hey, every
(00:31):
great album's got them. They're some of my favorite tunes,
you know. But you know what this is to go
from here because obviously between that tour and the new
ep coming out here just this year, we had a
full pandemic, and before the pandemic even hit. I don't
know about you, but like after that Sebastian Bock tour,
(00:54):
I came home and I never felt that exhausted, Like
I got really sick. I remember that, like it's almost
like my body, my brain just was like shutting down.
It was almost like I felt, and I don't know
how you felt, but like we'd pushed so hard. It
was almost as though like my body like hit like
a shut off, which was like if you're not going
to stop for a little bit, we're gonna make you
(01:16):
you know, that was kind of the feeling I had.
So I I got super sick, I was laid up
for weeks, and it was just kind of like a
force like, Okay, like this this life, like being a musician,
being a touring musician, can really take a toll on you,
you know. And you've said in a few podcasts ago,
like luckily we didn't get involved in like drugs and booze,
(01:39):
Like no one struggled with addiction, like thankfully in this band,
because I can't. There's a reason why that happens obviously,
is like it's just such a grind. And so I
do remember after that tour just being like just exhausted,
you know, from not just the tour, but what felt
like you know, you'd also said how we kind of
we'd always been working hard, but when that when the
(02:01):
Red album came out, like from like the beginning of
that album coming out to the Sebastian Bock tour, it
was really this is NonStop. It was just foot on
the gas and no breaks at all, you know, So
I think it was just like a general exhaustion. But
how did you feel? Man?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, similar, man like it And it's sort of that
exhaustion combined with a sense of like where the hell
are we going to go from here? Like we we
put it all into this, that last record got a
number one song, and it didn't really change that. It
didn't move the dial that much, right in terms of,
you know, we thought we'd, like you said earlier, we'd
give we'd given the label and our management and our
(02:37):
agents everything they asked for. They said, get a number
one song, Which that's a pretty ef and tall order,
you know, like not maybe so do it.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
We did it. It didn't change things much, right, Like didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I mean again, I don't want to bore people with
like the financial side of the music biz, but like
it's like we were busting our asses on the road
like eight months of the year sometimes or more yep,
nine months some years, and and making like f all
for money, right, which that only matters insofar as like
(03:09):
what it can do for your life in terms of
making it easier, right, Like our lives were we were
grinding every month to like pay rent, to pay for groceries,
like the boring stuff in life.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But I think people, you know, it was just like
we had a.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Number one song toured like crazy toured the US, and
it's like, we don't have a lot to show for it, right,
And it didn't.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It wasn't like our team.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, it wasn't even you know, I was gonna say, like,
you make a good point, man, because it isn't. It
isn't just about like you know, oh, we're gonna do
this and get rich. But it was like it was
all it was still not even sustainable, like you it
wasn't like you had this reliable, somewhat sustainable income coming in.
It was still you know, feast or famine. You know,
the feast was a little bigger at points now than
(03:51):
it had been, but it's still like once the tap
shuts off and it's just like, okay, well let's record
again and go back to it. You're right, like it's yeah,
it just totally like you hate to talk so much
about financial stuff, but I mean, who else has a
career where they're like just not gonna worry about whether
or not they can make rent, Like it's not it's
(04:12):
not realistic and not just rent, but you know, everything
else in life.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So yeah, yeah, like and it wasn't like our I
think also it'd be different if our team was like
and again I think that there's probably some teams of
bands that did a better job of like planning and whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
But like if they said, Okay, here's here's what we
should here's what we're plan for for.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
The next record in terms of you know, like make
a growth plan or be like here's what you guys,
you know, maybe in a couple of years you can
afford to put a down payment on a house.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Like none of that, Like we were no more close
to that.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
We were still all of us in the red, right,
which is like, yeah, just felt like the train was
going off the tracks and and you know, burning out,
like there's nothing fueling it anymore, right, and the second
you get off the road, like you said, it all
drives up, right. So I think it was just a
sense of like sort of not desperation, but like exhaustion
(05:08):
and like there's no guy, there's no guidance, right, there's
no place to go, there's no so a big question
mark in my head, like what the hell we're gonna
do and to get to that next level, whatever that
is to me, just the next level was like just
getting our career to the next level where we can
actually he said, have a sustainable life. There was no
plan for that, right, So I think for me it
(05:29):
was like, Okay, I guess we're just gonna I guess
we have to just be on the road eleven months
of the year every year to sort of grind out
in existence, right, And to me that I could tell
that I wasn't cut out for that. Some people are
some people are meant to like they love being on
the road.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's really the happiest.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean for me, I want to have a good
balance with with my home life, you know. And so yeah,
it was just like a sense of like what do
we do now? And then the world's like, well, guess what,
I got a pandemic for you. So it was like
it's sort of maybe it was meant to be. I
don't know, but it was like a needed break I felt, you.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Know, yeah, well it absolutely was, man, And you know,
sometimes that kind of forced break is what you need,
you know, because I think hard to know how things
would would have panned out exactly time wise, because it
was this time that obviously Hicks left the band, and
(06:22):
you know, there again we'd said this earlier. There was
no animosity like there's I think we also talked about this,
like I feel like everybody almost has how much they
can deal with in this industry. It's not just whether
or not they want to play music anymore or like,
you know, because the first thing, you know, I've been asked,
like when Hicks left was their animosity was It's like, no,
(06:44):
there was no nothing like It's just at some point
you're kind of like, maybe there's other things I want
to do more now, And especially when you've given as
much as honestly, as much as Hicks and Granny gave
to this band, they gave as much as we did.
Like it wasn't you know, we weren't just steering the
ship and they were on for the ride. They ground
every day, they were grinding as hard as we were.
(07:05):
So you know, that happened and Hicks was out, and
like you said, it was kind of like, what do
we do next? Is there something to do next? And
I think like without the pandemic, that might have happened,
but probably obviously differently, but we were kind of left
with sort of like that weird sort of like Okay,
(07:25):
well Hicks is out. We still don't know when the
world's gonna come back, or even if it will, because
they're you know. I mean it's funny talking about the
pandemic now you almost forget just how weird just the
not knowing was because obviously entertainment music number one is
like the first thing that ended and the last thing
(07:46):
that came back, because anything that had to do with
crowds in any way, well, how are you going to
do that? Our whole business is based on the notion
of trying to get as many people into a room
as possible. So, you know, it was a strange time,
and honestly, I think it was. I know, it was
good for me. I mean I went to you know,
I was able to pivot into my art more and
(08:10):
build as you kind of have to do. I mean,
you've been doing entertainment law. Now for how many years
have you been doing entertainment law, Katie? I feel like
you've been working in the in the van since like
two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, I mean I became a lawyer twenty ten, so yeah,
it's been fourteen years. But yeah, it's yeah, exactly that
got thankfully, that was like that got busier in the pandemic,
which is great.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But yeah, well, and I only I bring that up
because now that I've got comic art and music. It's like,
it's hard, what's the right I'm trying to put this
in a way that is like not complaining because it's
where we are. But we know so many like what
you would think were full time musicians that have other
(08:53):
jobs or they have you know, especially as artists, they're
doing all sorts of different things, you know what I mean.
They're like they're they're doing sound stuff when they're not
on the road with their band. It's like, you know,
that's also kind of a thing where if you want
to make a go in the creative world, now your
odds of just being in a band and it takes
off and now you're buying houses and cars and stuff.
(09:13):
It's like it was never that was never going to
be easy in the seventies, eighties or any time, but
now more than ever, it's kind of like being able
to balance a few different things as you're building your career,
you know. So luckily with the pandemic, I was able
to do that, which is I think helped when we
started to come back, because you didn't feel like I
(09:35):
think for both of us and you can correct me
if I'm wrong. The nice thing about where we're at
right now, is you Because you're not just relying on
banded income, you can be a little more chill, and
I feel like make better decisions and make more healthy
decisions because you're not like, well you've got to say
yes to everything all the time or there's no money
coming in. Like that's just that's a crazy amount of
(09:58):
pressure that we were under for a really long time time.
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, you're totally right, dude.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I think there was times where would take gigs and
we were like, we don't want to do this gig,
but we kind of need the money, right, And it's
like and not we love doing gigs, but it's more
like it was just like it's gonna be a.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Pay in the ass.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
We got to take a bunch of flights to get
out to this place, and and we got we all
have family stuff commitments that that weekend, but we're gonna
we're gonna miss them to make some money, right, And
you're right. I think now it's like we do what
we want instead of what we have to do. Yeah,
which is which is great. Yeah, And I think and
then I would say, just to jump ahead a second,
it's like, yeah, middle of pandemic We're like, what the hell?
(10:33):
And then when we started to kind of like look
for a guitar player, and I remember we were like brainstorming,
and I was like I just been following Tara through
like nice horse and stuff, and I knew she had
played with Kittie, and I was like, what about her?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Man, she looks like awesome.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And we you and I both had a call with
her and it's just like right away we just vibed,
you know, and.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And honestly, it's it's cool when you meet somebody that.
And honestly, Cooley was like this, and I don't know
if anyone knows Cooley played Actually the last few Shores
shows before the pandemic we did with Kooley on bass.
We played a few shows in Alberta, and then the
pandemic hit and it was like, oh shit, sorry dude,
we're gonna have to take time off obviously. But so
(11:14):
it was cool when we came back because Cooley was
still he was like, yeah, let's go. And then I, man,
I totally remember that phone call with you when we
were just like, you know, what do we do? Do
we put the word out like do we post and
say like, let's do auditions or like what's you know.
We just were like, I love when things when things
are right. They happened so easy and like so casually
(11:35):
because we were just like, well, who do you know
that's good and also like a good person, because you know,
we didn't want to have to train somebody up on
like how to tour, and like it was just we
were like, who's who's a kick ass guitar player who
also just like has been in bands and knows what
the world's like. And yeah, you're like, oh, yeah, Tara,
(11:57):
because you told me about and I knew she was
in but I wasn't following any of her other stuff
at that point. But yeah, then we chatted with her
and she was chill, and then weirdly, this is the
craziest part, and again when something's happening right, it's like, oh,
this is just meant to be in a way, because
you said you were like, I think she might live
(12:18):
in Toronto. But at that point we're like, well, flying
is not a difficult thing. We're kind of doing it anyway,
And so we asked her where she lived and she's like, oh,
I actually live in Calgary right now, And it turned
out she lived literally five minute walk from my house.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, so that was like it was meant to.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Be, you know. Yeah, man, so I met her for
coffee and just like yeah, she was in and and
just I mean, you know what, we'll probably end this
episode here is it's a great This is a great
part to jump off for the next episode, which is
like the new shit eph why we called it that
and all that, but like just this new era and
(12:55):
the joy. It's like, man, this next era. I can't
wait to talk like about this with you. But it's
almost like when joy came back to music for us
in a way, because the it felt like the grind
was over and you know it, Tara and Cooley breathed
this new life. But also I felt like you and
(13:15):
I were like, for once in our entire career, it
felt like we were literally writing and recording for the
joy of how much we love music and rock and
roll and playing together. And there wasn't that like, oh man,
what is it, what's the hit?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know? It didn't have all that heaviness on it
that had been put on us before, and it just
felt my favorite recording experience ever. I don't know about you, how.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
To a sent.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Man, it's like I felt like, you know, a twenty
year old again, you know, writing music for the first time, right, like,
which I guess in two thousand and four when we started,
I was twenty three, right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's
like it took me back to that time where it's
like we didn't we weren't writing a song to try
to like we'll just go on.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Radio, which we don't. That's not how we do it anyways.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But there's always that heaviness over on our shoulders, right,
whereas in the early days were just like we just
write songs. We'd write a fucking three minute intro and
then the riff. We you know, it's like like it
was kind of back to that sort of just that
freedom of being just a musician, right, which yeah, maybe
that sounds silly, but like we haven't we didn't have
that for at least six seven years. We could didn't
(14:25):
have just the freedom of just writing music because we loved.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It, right yeah, absolutely, Well you know what, let's in there,
And honestly, I'm gonna write something down here because you just, man,
you really put something together in my mind that I
hadn't thought of before. So I'm stoked to talk to
you about it next time.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Nice okay, thanks for listening to One Bad Podcast.
Welcome the One Bad Podcast. Here's your host Hed and Shaner.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So KD. We talked, we came full circle on the
podcast talking about the American tour that we did. I'm
sure there's like a million stories that were probably forgetting,
but you know whatever, when this podcast wraps up, if
we have enough we forgot about, we might have to
do some bonus episodes. But yeah, I mean, hey, every
(00:31):
great album's got them. They're some of my favorite tunes,
you know. But you know what this is to go
from here because obviously between that tour and the new
ep coming out here just this year, we had a
full pandemic, and before the pandemic even hit. I don't
know about you, but like after that Sebastian Bock tour,
(00:54):
I came home and I never felt that exhausted, Like
I got really sick. I remember that, like it's almost
like my body, my brain just was like shutting down.
It was almost like I felt, and I don't know
how you felt, but like we'd pushed so hard. It
was almost as though like my body like hit like
a shut off, which was like if you're not going
to stop for a little bit, we're gonna make you
(01:16):
you know, that was kind of the feeling I had.
So I I got super sick, I was laid up
for weeks, and it was just kind of like a
force like, Okay, like this this life, like being a musician,
being a touring musician, can really take a toll on you,
you know. And you've said in a few podcasts ago,
like luckily we didn't get involved in like drugs and booze,
(01:39):
Like no one struggled with addiction, like thankfully in this band,
because I can't. There's a reason why that happens obviously,
is like it's just such a grind. And so I
do remember after that tour just being like just exhausted,
you know, from not just the tour, but what felt
like you know, you'd also said how we kind of
we'd always been working hard, but when that when the
(02:01):
Red album came out, like from like the beginning of
that album coming out to the Sebastian Bock tour, it
was really this is NonStop. It was just foot on
the gas and no breaks at all, you know, So
I think it was just like a general exhaustion. But
how did you feel? Man?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, similar, man like it And it's sort of that
exhaustion combined with a sense of like where the hell
are we going to go from here? Like we we
put it all into this, that last record got a
number one song, and it didn't really change that. It
didn't move the dial that much, right in terms of,
you know, we thought we'd, like you said earlier, we'd
give we'd given the label and our management and our
(02:37):
agents everything they asked for. They said, get a number
one song, Which that's a pretty ef and tall order,
you know, like not maybe so do it.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
We did it. It didn't change things much, right, Like didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I mean again, I don't want to bore people with
like the financial side of the music biz, but like
it's like we were busting our asses on the road
like eight months of the year sometimes or more yep,
nine months some years, and and making like f all
for money, right, which that only matters insofar as like
(03:09):
what it can do for your life in terms of
making it easier, right, Like our lives were we were
grinding every month to like pay rent, to pay for groceries,
like the boring stuff in life.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But I think people, you know, it was just like
we had a.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Number one song toured like crazy toured the US, and
it's like, we don't have a lot to show for it, right,
And it didn't.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It wasn't like our team.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, it wasn't even you know, I was gonna say, like,
you make a good point, man, because it isn't. It
isn't just about like you know, oh, we're gonna do
this and get rich. But it was like it was
all it was still not even sustainable, like you it
wasn't like you had this reliable, somewhat sustainable income coming in.
It was still you know, feast or famine. You know,
the feast was a little bigger at points now than
(03:51):
it had been, but it's still like once the tap
shuts off and it's just like, okay, well let's record
again and go back to it. You're right, like it's yeah,
it just totally like you hate to talk so much
about financial stuff, but I mean, who else has a
career where they're like just not gonna worry about whether
or not they can make rent, Like it's not it's
(04:12):
not realistic and not just rent, but you know, everything
else in life.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So yeah, yeah, like and it wasn't like our I
think also it'd be different if our team was like
and again I think that there's probably some teams of
bands that did a better job of like planning and whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
But like if they said, Okay, here's here's what we
should here's what we're plan for for.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
The next record in terms of you know, like make
a growth plan or be like here's what you guys,
you know, maybe in a couple of years you can
afford to put a down payment on a house.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Like none of that, Like we were no more close
to that.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
We were still all of us in the red, right,
which is like, yeah, just felt like the train was
going off the tracks and and you know, burning out,
like there's nothing fueling it anymore, right, and the second
you get off the road, like you said, it all
drives up, right. So I think it was just a
sense of like sort of not desperation, but like exhaustion
(05:08):
and like there's no guy, there's no guidance, right, there's
no place to go, there's no so a big question
mark in my head, like what the hell we're gonna
do and to get to that next level, whatever that
is to me, just the next level was like just
getting our career to the next level where we can
actually he said, have a sustainable life. There was no
plan for that, right, So I think for me it
(05:29):
was like, Okay, I guess we're just gonna I guess
we have to just be on the road eleven months
of the year every year to sort of grind out
in existence, right, And to me that I could tell
that I wasn't cut out for that. Some people are
some people are meant to like they love being on
the road.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's really the happiest.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean for me, I want to have a good
balance with with my home life, you know. And so yeah,
it was just like a sense of like what do
we do now? And then the world's like, well, guess what,
I got a pandemic for you. So it was like
it's sort of maybe it was meant to be. I
don't know, but it was like a needed break I felt, you.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Know, yeah, well it absolutely was, man, And you know,
sometimes that kind of forced break is what you need,
you know, because I think hard to know how things
would would have panned out exactly time wise, because it
was this time that obviously Hicks left the band, and
(06:22):
you know, there again we'd said this earlier. There was
no animosity like there's I think we also talked about this,
like I feel like everybody almost has how much they
can deal with in this industry. It's not just whether
or not they want to play music anymore or like,
you know, because the first thing, you know, I've been asked,
like when Hicks left was their animosity was It's like, no,
(06:44):
there was no nothing like It's just at some point
you're kind of like, maybe there's other things I want
to do more now, And especially when you've given as
much as honestly, as much as Hicks and Granny gave
to this band, they gave as much as we did.
Like it wasn't you know, we weren't just steering the
ship and they were on for the ride. They ground
every day, they were grinding as hard as we were.
(07:05):
So you know, that happened and Hicks was out, and
like you said, it was kind of like, what do
we do next? Is there something to do next? And
I think like without the pandemic, that might have happened,
but probably obviously differently, but we were kind of left
with sort of like that weird sort of like Okay,
(07:25):
well Hicks is out. We still don't know when the
world's gonna come back, or even if it will, because
they're you know. I mean it's funny talking about the
pandemic now you almost forget just how weird just the
not knowing was because obviously entertainment music number one is
like the first thing that ended and the last thing
(07:46):
that came back, because anything that had to do with
crowds in any way, well, how are you going to
do that? Our whole business is based on the notion
of trying to get as many people into a room
as possible. So, you know, it was a strange time,
and honestly, I think it was. I know, it was
good for me. I mean I went to you know,
I was able to pivot into my art more and
(08:10):
build as you kind of have to do. I mean,
you've been doing entertainment law. Now for how many years
have you been doing entertainment law, Katie? I feel like
you've been working in the in the van since like
two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, I mean I became a lawyer twenty ten, so yeah,
it's been fourteen years. But yeah, it's yeah, exactly that
got thankfully, that was like that got busier in the pandemic,
which is great.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But yeah, well, and I only I bring that up
because now that I've got comic art and music. It's like,
it's hard, what's the right I'm trying to put this
in a way that is like not complaining because it's
where we are. But we know so many like what
you would think were full time musicians that have other
(08:53):
jobs or they have you know, especially as artists, they're
doing all sorts of different things, you know what I mean.
They're like they're they're doing sound stuff when they're not
on the road with their band. It's like, you know,
that's also kind of a thing where if you want
to make a go in the creative world, now your
odds of just being in a band and it takes
off and now you're buying houses and cars and stuff.
(09:13):
It's like it was never that was never going to
be easy in the seventies, eighties or any time, but
now more than ever, it's kind of like being able
to balance a few different things as you're building your career,
you know. So luckily with the pandemic, I was able
to do that, which is I think helped when we
started to come back, because you didn't feel like I
(09:35):
think for both of us and you can correct me
if I'm wrong. The nice thing about where we're at
right now, is you Because you're not just relying on
banded income, you can be a little more chill, and
I feel like make better decisions and make more healthy
decisions because you're not like, well you've got to say
yes to everything all the time or there's no money
coming in. Like that's just that's a crazy amount of
(09:58):
pressure that we were under for a really long time time.
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, you're totally right, dude.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I think there was times where would take gigs and
we were like, we don't want to do this gig,
but we kind of need the money, right, And it's
like and not we love doing gigs, but it's more
like it was just like it's gonna be a.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Pay in the ass.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
We got to take a bunch of flights to get
out to this place, and and we got we all
have family stuff commitments that that weekend, but we're gonna
we're gonna miss them to make some money, right, And
you're right. I think now it's like we do what
we want instead of what we have to do. Yeah,
which is which is great. Yeah, And I think and
then I would say, just to jump ahead a second,
it's like, yeah, middle of pandemic We're like, what the hell?
(10:33):
And then when we started to kind of like look
for a guitar player, and I remember we were like brainstorming,
and I was like I just been following Tara through
like nice horse and stuff, and I knew she had
played with Kittie, and I was like, what about her?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Man, she looks like awesome.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And we you and I both had a call with
her and it's just like right away we just vibed,
you know, and.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And honestly, it's it's cool when you meet somebody that.
And honestly, Cooley was like this, and I don't know
if anyone knows Cooley played Actually the last few Shores
shows before the pandemic we did with Kooley on bass.
We played a few shows in Alberta, and then the
pandemic hit and it was like, oh shit, sorry dude,
we're gonna have to take time off obviously. But so
(11:14):
it was cool when we came back because Cooley was
still he was like, yeah, let's go. And then I, man,
I totally remember that phone call with you when we
were just like, you know, what do we do? Do
we put the word out like do we post and
say like, let's do auditions or like what's you know.
We just were like, I love when things when things
are right. They happened so easy and like so casually
(11:35):
because we were just like, well, who do you know
that's good and also like a good person, because you know,
we didn't want to have to train somebody up on
like how to tour, and like it was just we
were like, who's who's a kick ass guitar player who
also just like has been in bands and knows what
the world's like. And yeah, you're like, oh, yeah, Tara,
(11:57):
because you told me about and I knew she was
in but I wasn't following any of her other stuff
at that point. But yeah, then we chatted with her
and she was chill, and then weirdly, this is the
craziest part, and again when something's happening right, it's like, oh,
this is just meant to be in a way, because
you said you were like, I think she might live
(12:18):
in Toronto. But at that point we're like, well, flying
is not a difficult thing. We're kind of doing it anyway,
And so we asked her where she lived and she's like, oh,
I actually live in Calgary right now, And it turned
out she lived literally five minute walk from my house.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, so that was like it was meant to.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Be, you know. Yeah, man, so I met her for
coffee and just like yeah, she was in and and
just I mean, you know what, we'll probably end this
episode here is it's a great This is a great
part to jump off for the next episode, which is
like the new shit eph why we called it that
and all that, but like just this new era and
(12:55):
the joy. It's like, man, this next era. I can't
wait to talk like about this with you. But it's
almost like when joy came back to music for us
in a way, because the it felt like the grind
was over and you know it, Tara and Cooley breathed
this new life. But also I felt like you and
(13:15):
I were like, for once in our entire career, it
felt like we were literally writing and recording for the
joy of how much we love music and rock and
roll and playing together. And there wasn't that like, oh man,
what is it, what's the hit?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know? It didn't have all that heaviness on it
that had been put on us before, and it just
felt my favorite recording experience ever. I don't know about you, how.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
To a sent.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Man, it's like I felt like, you know, a twenty
year old again, you know, writing music for the first time, right, like,
which I guess in two thousand and four when we started,
I was twenty three, right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's
like it took me back to that time where it's
like we didn't we weren't writing a song to try
to like we'll just go on.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Radio, which we don't. That's not how we do it anyways.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But there's always that heaviness over on our shoulders, right,
whereas in the early days were just like we just
write songs. We'd write a fucking three minute intro and
then the riff. We you know, it's like like it
was kind of back to that sort of just that
freedom of being just a musician, right, which yeah, maybe
that sounds silly, but like we haven't we didn't have
that for at least six seven years. We could didn't
(14:25):
have just the freedom of just writing music because we loved.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It, right yeah, absolutely, Well you know what, let's in there,
And honestly, I'm gonna write something down here because you just, man,
you really put something together in my mind that I
hadn't thought of before. So I'm stoked to talk to
you about it next time.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Nice okay, thanks for listening to One Bad Podcast.
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