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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome the One Bad Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Here's your host KD and Shaner. All right, Katie, let's
keep going. Let's let's keep going.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
From the last episode talking about the New Shit EP,
you said something that really hit me that I really
wanted to do when we went to record these songs,
which was like you said that monkr is our producer,
didn't talk down to us. And honestly, I don't know
if I told you this or you know, I definitely
(00:35):
had it in my head where I was like, we've
been in this for a long time, and I am
not an expert. Like I said last episode, you're always
growing as an artist. You're never I don't give a
shit if you're Jack White, like he's not walking into
the studio just saying like, oh I know how to
write a song, Get out of here, everybody, Like you're
always in learning mode as a as an artist, like
and you should be. But I did feel like this
(00:57):
time around, we're like, we know who we are, we
have a sense of who we are, we know how
to write songs. And I was really looking for that
balance of like I want to be challenged, like I
want a producer to say, like, you know, don't let
me off the hook, like if you think there's a
better take in me, like let me have it, like,
you know, get the best I want.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I need somebody to get the best out of me.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
At the same time, I don't want to be treated
like it's two thousand and six and I don't know
how the industry works and I don't know how his
studio works. And I'm glad you said that on the
last episode because I felt that this time, like I
didn't felt for once. I know I didn't. I don't
know how you felt. Like I didn't feel like that
little kid, like that twenty five year old that's just like,
(01:41):
oh man, help us out, man, Like I felt like, man,
I know what I'm doing in here, you know, and
you know, without ego though, like without that kind of
like I need. I mean, we've heard many stories through
the many producers we've had and the artists they've worked with.
I mean, there's guys that walk in the studio and
just they think their shit doesn't stink and they put
out shit work, honestly, because once you stop taking people's
(02:06):
advice in their ideas, well, shit gets stale. But I
don't know about you, but it felt like a cool
balance this time of being treated like pros but still
getting pushed Like Monk Carr's like any good producer, he's
not gonna let you off the hook with a shit take,
right Like It's it's like if you flubbed something, or
you fall out of time, or I'm like out of
(02:27):
you know, my pitch is terrible, you know, it's not
like just let the computer fix it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's like we're pros. Let's get the good, let's get
the right take.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, it's so true and you're right, Like I feel
like in the music industry, there's two extremes when it
comes to artists, Like there's there's you know, there ares
that have made it, of course, like the Dave Grolls
or the Eddie Vedder's or the you know, Tom York's,
Like no one can tell them anything, right producer or
or manager or label. Everyone sort of bows down because
those artists have made it, and if they do something
(02:57):
kind of crazy or against the norm, people praise them
as being geniuses, right Whereas, and that's that's the one extreme.
The other extreme is all the artists that aren't them,
who are sort of especially up and coming artists like us,
who you know any idea you have none? No, No,
that's not how we do it. You gotta you gotta
record campy live off the floor. We gotta do We
(03:20):
got to remove the symbols and record those.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Separates, your favorite, your at your absolute favorite memory.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah exactly. That's obviously a soft spot, you know. And
it's like, no, you got to listen to us, because
if you want to become the Food Fighters, you gotta
do this. But of course the Food Fighters got to
where they are, or Pearl Gem got to where they
are because they didn't just do what everyone told them
to do, right. Otherwise Pearl JOm would have sounded like
poison in nineteen ninety right like they chose to be,
(03:48):
or Nirvana would absolutely. So it's so funny that and
the industry likes to keep as we've talked about before,
like the music industry, like the professionals quote unquote, like
to keep artists just in the dark, right and keep
them sort of under their control.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So a lot of times in studio we came across
that a bit, right, like you guys don't know what
you're talking about, Like you can't do you can't do
that live sound because that's not what radio is looking for. Well,
and then turns out Jack White did that live sound
and radio loved it, right, So it's you got his
as an artist. This is for all the fellow musicians
out there. It's like you got to just stick to
(04:24):
your gut and and don't take no for an answer
and just trust like you know your sound more than
anyone does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But it doesn't mean you don't have an open mind, right,
Like you said, the artists that we know of it
coming to the studio and think they're just perfection in
a in human form, It's like, that's that's the extreme
of ego.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So I think for this record it did feel like
a great like you said, a great balance where we
could we knew what we under sound to be like,
but then monk Cars also pushed us, you know, And
I think that's the great. If you can get to
that point with your producer where it's like a equal
sort of push and pull, that's that's the sweet spot,
you know. And I feel like, because you don't want
(05:07):
a person just to be a yes man. You don't
if Brian was just a yes man, that wouldn't be
good either, right, because we need someone to be like, no,
that wasn't good enough. Really hit it out of the
park on this take and we do it right. So yeah,
it was. I think it was a great, great sort
of middle ground, great balance.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know, well I think so too, man.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And honestly, it's a good segue into just you know,
I've had people I'm sure you have too, like artists
come up new were artists asking about like how do
you find your sound or how do you like you know?
And then it's like, man, it's such a broad question
of like what you do in the studio. I mean,
I how I would advise somebody to be like basically
(05:46):
absorb everything, learn every lesson, but also try to be
yourself and find yourself. Like it's not a I can't
give you, like the three steps to like a great career,
or like even I can't even give you the three
steps to like finding your sound. It's like, I don't know,
do a bunch of touring record some shit that doesn't work?
Like there's a lot of you know, I think that
(06:07):
especially in this era, there is this feeling of like
how do I go from like where I'm at to
just like making it? You know, maybe that's true for
every era. But the truth is it's like it's not
a straight line for anybody, but it is. I will say,
like one thing that I know that I wish I
could go maybe I'll ask you this, like if I
could go back and give my self advice now twenty
(06:30):
years Like if I go back twenty years and give
myself advice, I would say, like, only be a hard
ass if you actually believe it. And if it isn't
about your ego, you know, if it isn't about you
just wanna you know, be selfish, then fucking stick with
(06:50):
your guns, like stick to it, you know. And I
think even though we've gone back and forth on this,
I think we've ultimately come to that most of the time.
But I think, like for myself, on a personal level,
that's what I would say. I'd be like, you know,
if something is hitting you, like if you want a
certain sound, or you're going after something, or you're you know,
(07:10):
and a producer is doing just what you said, like
you don't know what you're talking about, Like, fuck off,
you know, we're doing it our way.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
This is what radio wants. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
If you know the difference in your soul, if it's like, yeah,
I'm being an egotistical prick and I just don't want
to be told what to do, or you're just like,
this does not feel right. This is not what we
want to do or where we want to go, like
and to be unafraid to tell your producer it's not
it's not what we're looking for here.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And I wish we could have maybe done that a
few times.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
But I think that that'd be the advice i'd give
myself if I went back. What about you, man, what
would you tell What would you tell yourself twenty years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, it's a good question, man. You know, I think
what I say to I'm becoming musicians. And that's probably
the great test of what I would say to myself
is success in the music biz it comes in the
long term, not the short term.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think I didn't know that. I mean, we were
what so twenty years ago, I was twenty three, right,
you were saying, I guess you know, we were just
young punks. You know, we just came out of you know,
not that far out of high school really, and I
was not even up. We always joke, we joke about
it now, but at the time I think we both
actually believe that there'd be at the side of our
(08:27):
side stage after each show, some guy in a suit
with a record contract in his hand, right Like we
kind of thought that, right Like I was, I thought
that we'd we started in two thousand and four. I
was like, we'll have a major label deal by two
thousand and five. You know, there's out We never got amazed, dude.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I vividly remember saying, you and I both were like, well,
two years, you know, we'll see where it's at in
two years, like kind of like that's so far away,
and if we haven't made it by then, while shit
like pack pack your bags like you're done.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, well, like and so I think, but it's hard
to tell a twenty three year old that that you
gotta you know, you'll be doing this twenty years from
now and looking back and being thankful and grateful. But
like I really did. I think both of us. There
was times I remember just driving sort of unending hours,
just like driving in the van, just sort of both
of us stressing, like like thinking about how to break us,
(09:18):
but also they kind of stressing, right, Like I think
I I lost hair on those tours to just like
stress about how do we I had to get hair
transplants just to recover, you know, and how how do
we how do we get the how do we break
the band? Right?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And that was that's eight years of that and it
didn't stop after eight years, but that's when we first
got you know, Scarecrows broke through. But for eight years
driving across the country in a van, making no money,
wondering what the hell we're doing with our lives, wondering
if this is the right path, right because you know,
without success, we're like maybe we aren't actually good enough.
Maybe we're just those musicians that think they're good and
(09:55):
they just you know, annoy the shit out of their
family and friends because they're not actually.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That good, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And so like just there's always a sense of like
I remember having so many the visual in my head
is like just a thousand question marks kind of floating
in my brain, like what can we do to make this?
And that's where we came up with the whole like
remember the plan to not allow radio to play our songs,
But like who's who's who comes up with these ideas?
But just that sense like we.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Got we we literally we labeled it the no radio.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
To her, it's like, if we catch you playing our
songs on the radio, like we got a lawyer in
the band, you've a fucking litigate.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know. But but like so I think that would
be the advice is like just don't stress about I
actually say this to my kids too, Like life is
the long game, right, like like establish daily habits and
routines that are healthy and positive, try to minimize the
unhealthy ones, and just work your butt off, be kind whatever,
like all those things. But it's all about the long term, right.
(10:54):
So if you establish those patterns and those habits, well
eventually you'll break through and you write a song like Scarecrow,
you know. But so for me, yeah, success in the
music business comes in the long term, not the short.
And be prepared for the long term, right And then also,
like what is success? I think back then in two
thousand and four when we started this, is that just
(11:14):
the era we were living in. You and I wanted
to be guns n' Roses or Pearl Jam, like playing
arenas around the world, making you know, a million dollars
a year kind of thing, and you know that didn't happen,
But I would, you know, I would definitely say with
confidence and with pride that we succeeded over the last
twenty years. You know, the definition of success is different
(11:35):
than I think maybe we started with. But the fact
that you and I are still friends and we're having
this podcast and we're still doing this twenty years, to me,
that's a huge success, right. Like we could have maybe
made having made a million bucks or you know, do
on that route and hated each other or not had
good family lives. It wouldn't be worth it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, Well, and I've often like it's great points. Man,
I've often wondered, like what what would my twenty six
year old self have done as a multi millionaire? Like,
you know, like I'm a you know, I'm a very
different person now in my outlook on life and things
like that, and I'm super grateful for so much that's
(12:18):
happened in and looking back on it, like, oh yeah,
like it the way it happened has actually.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Been very necessary for me. And I've wondered that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, man, the way my priorities were, you know,
fifteen years ago, give that guy ten twenty thirty million dollars,
like I don't know, you know, and I think that,
and honestly, you know, that's and I actually even say
that no joke, because I think, you know, we romanticize
the you know, the Kirk Cobaines of the world.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But like that guy, it ruined him, like it messed
with them. It was it was.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
He wanted fame as much as we did. And he
really did.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And he said that. You can read interviews that they wanted.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
No one starts a band thinking, you know, I just
want to play the three people at night and keep
my integrity. It's like, no, we all want to play arenas.
That's the dream when you start out, right, But I mean,
give that guy then he did get that fame, he
got that money, and it was it was too much.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And so you can't obviously know that about yourself.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But I don't know what I'd have done if that
would have actually happened to us.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So you know, it's just an interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Thought that, like, you're right, like the way you look
at success now it's different than then because you think like, well,
you want to be loaded, you want to be you know,
you want.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
To be a rock star. Let's be real.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And but I think that has negatively affected a lot
of people and you know, I'm grateful when I look
at our career and I think about how many bands
came and went in our time and we toured with
and they were the next big thing, and then you
just never heard it from him again.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
They felt apart, they all.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
The things you said, they in fighting, or just the
fact that, like, you know, we talked about artists that
they're pumped about it and they they think they want
to go tour and ship until they actually go on
to or like go on tour for three months and
you know, and go each shit and you might feel
differently about it. So I'm proud when I when I
think about that too, like just thinking like the amount
(14:24):
of bands that did you know kind of the three
year run, Like how many times have we seen bands
they do kind of that three year deal. They kind
of start to build some steam, they're touring, they're the
next big thing. Don't hear about them again, and then
it's the next one. So I'm I'm proud of the
twenty years we've had doing this thing and just end
the level of success we've had and and pushed through.
(14:45):
So but you know what, We're going to do one
more episode here on the main podcast, and I now
have two specific questions to ask you that I think
is going to be a good way. I'm not going
to tee you up because I want your actual I
want of the real sponse. So uh, let's do one
more here and then I think we'll make a little
plan for possible future podcasts as well.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Thanks all right, buddy, thanks for listening to one bad
podcast example.
Welcome the One Bad Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Here's your host KD and Shaner. All right, Katie, let's
keep going. Let's let's keep going.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
From the last episode talking about the New Shit EP,
you said something that really hit me that I really
wanted to do when we went to record these songs,
which was like you said that monkr is our producer,
didn't talk down to us. And honestly, I don't know
if I told you this or you know, I definitely
(00:35):
had it in my head where I was like, we've
been in this for a long time, and I am
not an expert. Like I said last episode, you're always
growing as an artist. You're never I don't give a
shit if you're Jack White, like he's not walking into
the studio just saying like, oh I know how to
write a song, Get out of here, everybody, Like you're
always in learning mode as a as an artist, like
and you should be. But I did feel like this
(00:57):
time around, we're like, we know who we are, we
have a sense of who we are, we know how
to write songs. And I was really looking for that
balance of like I want to be challenged, like I
want a producer to say, like, you know, don't let
me off the hook, like if you think there's a
better take in me, like let me have it, like,
you know, get the best I want.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I need somebody to get the best out of me.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
At the same time, I don't want to be treated
like it's two thousand and six and I don't know
how the industry works and I don't know how his
studio works. And I'm glad you said that on the
last episode because I felt that this time, like I
didn't felt for once. I know I didn't. I don't
know how you felt. Like I didn't feel like that
little kid, like that twenty five year old that's just like,
(01:41):
oh man, help us out, man, Like I felt like, man,
I know what I'm doing in here, you know, and
you know, without ego though, like without that kind of
like I need. I mean, we've heard many stories through
the many producers we've had and the artists they've worked with.
I mean, there's guys that walk in the studio and
just they think their shit doesn't stink and they put
out shit work, honestly, because once you stop taking people's
(02:06):
advice in their ideas, well, shit gets stale. But I
don't know about you, but it felt like a cool
balance this time of being treated like pros but still
getting pushed Like Monk Carr's like any good producer, he's
not gonna let you off the hook with a shit take,
right Like It's it's like if you flubbed something, or
you fall out of time, or I'm like out of
(02:27):
you know, my pitch is terrible, you know, it's not
like just let the computer fix it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's like we're pros. Let's get the good, let's get
the right take.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, it's so true and you're right, Like I feel
like in the music industry, there's two extremes when it
comes to artists, Like there's there's you know, there ares
that have made it, of course, like the Dave Grolls
or the Eddie Vedder's or the you know, Tom York's,
Like no one can tell them anything, right producer or
or manager or label. Everyone sort of bows down because
those artists have made it, and if they do something
(02:57):
kind of crazy or against the norm, people praise them
as being geniuses, right Whereas, and that's that's the one extreme.
The other extreme is all the artists that aren't them,
who are sort of especially up and coming artists like us,
who you know any idea you have none? No, No,
that's not how we do it. You gotta you gotta
record campy live off the floor. We gotta do We
(03:20):
got to remove the symbols and record those.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Separates, your favorite, your at your absolute favorite memory.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah exactly. That's obviously a soft spot, you know. And
it's like, no, you got to listen to us, because
if you want to become the Food Fighters, you gotta
do this. But of course the Food Fighters got to
where they are, or Pearl Gem got to where they
are because they didn't just do what everyone told them
to do, right. Otherwise Pearl JOm would have sounded like
poison in nineteen ninety right like they chose to be,
(03:48):
or Nirvana would absolutely. So it's so funny that and
the industry likes to keep as we've talked about before,
like the music industry, like the professionals quote unquote, like
to keep artists just in the dark, right and keep
them sort of under their control.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So a lot of times in studio we came across
that a bit, right, like you guys don't know what
you're talking about, Like you can't do you can't do
that live sound because that's not what radio is looking for. Well,
and then turns out Jack White did that live sound
and radio loved it, right, So it's you got his
as an artist. This is for all the fellow musicians
out there. It's like you got to just stick to
(04:24):
your gut and and don't take no for an answer
and just trust like you know your sound more than
anyone does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But it doesn't mean you don't have an open mind, right,
Like you said, the artists that we know of it
coming to the studio and think they're just perfection in
a in human form, It's like, that's that's the extreme
of ego.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So I think for this record it did feel like
a great like you said, a great balance where we
could we knew what we under sound to be like,
but then monk Cars also pushed us, you know, And
I think that's the great. If you can get to
that point with your producer where it's like a equal
sort of push and pull, that's that's the sweet spot,
you know. And I feel like, because you don't want
(05:07):
a person just to be a yes man. You don't
if Brian was just a yes man, that wouldn't be
good either, right, because we need someone to be like, no,
that wasn't good enough. Really hit it out of the
park on this take and we do it right. So yeah,
it was. I think it was a great, great sort
of middle ground, great balance.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know, well I think so too, man.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And honestly, it's a good segue into just you know,
I've had people I'm sure you have too, like artists
come up new were artists asking about like how do
you find your sound or how do you like you know?
And then it's like, man, it's such a broad question
of like what you do in the studio. I mean,
I how I would advise somebody to be like basically
(05:46):
absorb everything, learn every lesson, but also try to be
yourself and find yourself. Like it's not a I can't
give you, like the three steps to like a great career,
or like even I can't even give you the three
steps to like finding your sound. It's like, I don't know,
do a bunch of touring record some shit that doesn't work?
Like there's a lot of you know, I think that
(06:07):
especially in this era, there is this feeling of like
how do I go from like where I'm at to
just like making it? You know, maybe that's true for
every era. But the truth is it's like it's not
a straight line for anybody, but it is. I will say,
like one thing that I know that I wish I
could go maybe I'll ask you this, like if I
could go back and give my self advice now twenty
(06:30):
years Like if I go back twenty years and give
myself advice, I would say, like, only be a hard
ass if you actually believe it. And if it isn't
about your ego, you know, if it isn't about you
just wanna you know, be selfish, then fucking stick with
(06:50):
your guns, like stick to it, you know. And I
think even though we've gone back and forth on this,
I think we've ultimately come to that most of the time.
But I think, like for myself, on a personal level,
that's what I would say. I'd be like, you know,
if something is hitting you, like if you want a
certain sound, or you're going after something, or you're you know,
(07:10):
and a producer is doing just what you said, like
you don't know what you're talking about, Like, fuck off,
you know, we're doing it our way.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
This is what radio wants. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
If you know the difference in your soul, if it's like, yeah,
I'm being an egotistical prick and I just don't want
to be told what to do, or you're just like,
this does not feel right. This is not what we
want to do or where we want to go, like
and to be unafraid to tell your producer it's not
it's not what we're looking for here.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And I wish we could have maybe done that a
few times.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
But I think that that'd be the advice i'd give
myself if I went back. What about you, man, what
would you tell What would you tell yourself twenty years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, it's a good question, man. You know, I think
what I say to I'm becoming musicians. And that's probably
the great test of what I would say to myself
is success in the music biz it comes in the
long term, not the short term.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think I didn't know that. I mean, we were
what so twenty years ago, I was twenty three, right,
you were saying, I guess you know, we were just
young punks. You know, we just came out of you know,
not that far out of high school really, and I
was not even up. We always joke, we joke about
it now, but at the time I think we both
actually believe that there'd be at the side of our
(08:27):
side stage after each show, some guy in a suit
with a record contract in his hand, right Like we
kind of thought that, right Like I was, I thought
that we'd we started in two thousand and four. I
was like, we'll have a major label deal by two
thousand and five. You know, there's out We never got amazed, dude.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I vividly remember saying, you and I both were like, well,
two years, you know, we'll see where it's at in
two years, like kind of like that's so far away,
and if we haven't made it by then, while shit
like pack pack your bags like you're done.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, well, like and so I think, but it's hard
to tell a twenty three year old that that you
gotta you know, you'll be doing this twenty years from
now and looking back and being thankful and grateful. But
like I really did. I think both of us. There
was times I remember just driving sort of unending hours,
just like driving in the van, just sort of both
of us stressing, like like thinking about how to break us,
(09:18):
but also they kind of stressing, right, Like I think
I I lost hair on those tours to just like
stress about how do we I had to get hair
transplants just to recover, you know, and how how do
we how do we get the how do we break
the band? Right?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And that was that's eight years of that and it
didn't stop after eight years, but that's when we first
got you know, Scarecrows broke through. But for eight years
driving across the country in a van, making no money,
wondering what the hell we're doing with our lives, wondering
if this is the right path, right because you know,
without success, we're like maybe we aren't actually good enough.
Maybe we're just those musicians that think they're good and
(09:55):
they just you know, annoy the shit out of their
family and friends because they're not actually.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That good, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And so like just there's always a sense of like
I remember having so many the visual in my head
is like just a thousand question marks kind of floating
in my brain, like what can we do to make this?
And that's where we came up with the whole like
remember the plan to not allow radio to play our songs,
But like who's who's who comes up with these ideas?
But just that sense like we.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Got we we literally we labeled it the no radio.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
To her, it's like, if we catch you playing our
songs on the radio, like we got a lawyer in
the band, you've a fucking litigate.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know. But but like so I think that would
be the advice is like just don't stress about I
actually say this to my kids too, Like life is
the long game, right, like like establish daily habits and
routines that are healthy and positive, try to minimize the
unhealthy ones, and just work your butt off, be kind whatever,
like all those things. But it's all about the long term, right.
(10:54):
So if you establish those patterns and those habits, well
eventually you'll break through and you write a song like Scarecrow,
you know. But so for me, yeah, success in the
music business comes in the long term, not the short.
And be prepared for the long term, right And then also,
like what is success? I think back then in two
thousand and four when we started this, is that just
(11:14):
the era we were living in. You and I wanted
to be guns n' Roses or Pearl Jam, like playing
arenas around the world, making you know, a million dollars
a year kind of thing, and you know that didn't happen,
But I would, you know, I would definitely say with
confidence and with pride that we succeeded over the last
twenty years. You know, the definition of success is different
(11:35):
than I think maybe we started with. But the fact
that you and I are still friends and we're having
this podcast and we're still doing this twenty years, to me,
that's a huge success, right. Like we could have maybe
made having made a million bucks or you know, do
on that route and hated each other or not had
good family lives. It wouldn't be worth it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, Well, and I've often like it's great points. Man,
I've often wondered, like what what would my twenty six
year old self have done as a multi millionaire? Like,
you know, like I'm a you know, I'm a very
different person now in my outlook on life and things
like that, and I'm super grateful for so much that's
(12:18):
happened in and looking back on it, like, oh yeah,
like it the way it happened has actually.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Been very necessary for me. And I've wondered that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, man, the way my priorities were, you know,
fifteen years ago, give that guy ten twenty thirty million dollars,
like I don't know, you know, and I think that,
and honestly, you know, that's and I actually even say
that no joke, because I think, you know, we romanticize
the you know, the Kirk Cobaines of the world.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But like that guy, it ruined him, like it messed
with them. It was it was.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
He wanted fame as much as we did. And he
really did.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And he said that. You can read interviews that they wanted.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
No one starts a band thinking, you know, I just
want to play the three people at night and keep
my integrity. It's like, no, we all want to play arenas.
That's the dream when you start out, right, But I mean,
give that guy then he did get that fame, he
got that money, and it was it was too much.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And so you can't obviously know that about yourself.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But I don't know what I'd have done if that
would have actually happened to us.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So you know, it's just an interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Thought that, like, you're right, like the way you look
at success now it's different than then because you think like, well,
you want to be loaded, you want to be you know,
you want.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
To be a rock star. Let's be real.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And but I think that has negatively affected a lot
of people and you know, I'm grateful when I look
at our career and I think about how many bands
came and went in our time and we toured with
and they were the next big thing, and then you
just never heard it from him again.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
They felt apart, they all.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
The things you said, they in fighting, or just the
fact that, like, you know, we talked about artists that
they're pumped about it and they they think they want
to go tour and ship until they actually go on
to or like go on tour for three months and
you know, and go each shit and you might feel
differently about it. So I'm proud when I when I
think about that too, like just thinking like the amount
(14:24):
of bands that did you know kind of the three
year run, Like how many times have we seen bands
they do kind of that three year deal. They kind
of start to build some steam, they're touring, they're the
next big thing. Don't hear about them again, and then
it's the next one. So I'm I'm proud of the
twenty years we've had doing this thing and just end
the level of success we've had and and pushed through.
(14:45):
So but you know what, We're going to do one
more episode here on the main podcast, and I now
have two specific questions to ask you that I think
is going to be a good way. I'm not going
to tee you up because I want your actual I
want of the real sponse. So uh, let's do one
more here and then I think we'll make a little
plan for possible future podcasts as well.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Thanks all right, buddy, thanks for listening to one bad
podcast example.
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