December 15, 2024 • 21 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome, It's the One Bad Podcast. Here's your host KD
and Shaner.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
All Right, Kati, this is the last episode. This has
been an awesome year. This podcast has been a blast, Buddy,
and it's been an honor to do it with you,
not just the podcast, but twenty years of rock and roll. Man,
I appreciate everything we've gone through together, Buddy.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Likewise, man, if it does feel like it's been such
a cool experience to kind of walk through these because
as as the listeners have noticed, like, you know, we
don't really we're not pre planning these discussions, and all
of a sudden, it's like, literally I feel like I'm
talking to a psychiatrist, like bringing bringing.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Up life events, you know. But thankfully it's all positive.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I Mean, there's always ups and downs, but it's like
it's all been like a really cool like I forgot
about so many of these things we did, you know,
and so it's kind of a it's a gift to
go back and reminisce, you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Know, absolutely, man, And that that is something that's crazy,
like just how much stuff as we talk, you know,
and you kind of mentally put yourself into a time frame.
You're like, oh, my god, I totally forgot that that happened,
you know, or at least like trauma pushed it out
of my brain, you know. But yeah, man, it's been cool.
It's been cool to reminisce on all of this stuff.
(01:15):
And you know, honestly, twenty years is a big deal.
Like I said on the last podcast, like we saw
that three years for a lot of bands is like
kind of the runtime, right, Like we saw three to
five years usually kills bands if they're not going to
make it, and then you kind of push through that
and then all of a sudden, it's your decade. Fifteen years,
(01:36):
twenty It's like, shit, I'm proud of us, man, I
really am, and grateful for the whole ride, and I'm
grateful for everybody that's been on it, honestly, like Tara
and Cooley have been an absolute gift. Grateful for Hicks,
Granny Saint Germain, like our producers. You know, time's good
and bad. Like I'm grateful for all of it, to
(01:57):
be honest. But this leads me into, uh, two questions
I have for you that I'd like to finish this
main podcast on and then uh and then we'll we'll
we'll put a request out to the listeners and see
what they think, what if, what, if anything, would you
do different? Like in obs going back to the beginning
(02:22):
or at any point, is there anything you would do different?
I mean, I know that's a loaded question, but it
like kind of a even a different mindset or.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You know, it's interesting like my I was both my
gut instinct, like when I hear the question, like I
don't it's not something I point to and say, oh,
like like.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I don't know. I don't have a lot of regrets.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And I mean in life in general, which I'm very
lucky for, I mean, but also when it comes to
the bad, you know what I mean, Like yeah, because
so nothing comes to mind. I mean honestly, I feel
like we made mistakes along the way, and mistakes are
where you learn, you know, and get better, right, Like
you rarely learn from your successes in life.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's if ever, yeah, right, So you know it's like
little things that we picked, you know, picking the wrong
a single that didn't succeed. It's like, oh, we should
have known it didn't succeed. But that's kind of like
it's like if you if you post something on this
is a funny example, you post something on Instagram and it.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Blows up in the response like, oh, I guess that
was success.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You post something it doesn't blow up, but it's like, oh,
I shouldn't do any more of that. And I think
that's a really poisonous thing with social media because it's
a it could just be the algorithm who's which.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Is fucking you?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Or be you know, you shouldn't just be doing things
because you get a great response on social media, right,
And so similar with the band, it's like, should we
have released Vinyl spin Burner as a single?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, it's probably not. It's two Balls to the Wall.
Radio is not ready. Radio is not Balls to the Wall, right, So,
but we did it because we believed it at the time. Right.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So it's sort of like nothing comes to mind, I guess,
is what I'm saying. So yeah, because I think I
don't know if we look back and said, Okay, I
shouldn't we shouldn't have done that mistake, Well, that mistake
could have led to other things that made us great, Right,
Like all those songs we wrote that had a two
minute intro before the riff, before the vocals kicked in.
(04:21):
We we had to learn that that's not actually very
catchy songwriting. So those mistakes led to scarecrows or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, honestly man like, and maybe that's that's just me
being honest, Like I don't nothing I would say I.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Do differently, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Maybe I think there's times where it's like I could
have been just more patient with or given myself some
more grace, like don't have so much pressure on your
own shoulders. But that's been more of a life learning thing.
It's like just it's not all up to you, like
you can't change everything in the world, you know. But
that's that's part of a deeper podcast for later, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But but how but how about you? You know, I
want to hear what your thoughts are on that.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, man, it's a great answer, and it is like
it is kind of a loaded question because you're right,
like you could you can just nitpick like little regrets
and stuff like that. The first thing I'll say is
that you're right that radio isn't balls to the wall.
It's like radio is balls in a very supportive safe jockey,
you know, So don't expect any different.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
That's that's generous to radio. Sometimes I think radio is
just it has no balls. It's been neutered, you know,
and much love the radio stations the playoffs because they
still they haven't yet, but they're you know, a lot
of them have one not remaining, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So they're holding none. Yeah, they're they're holding none. You know.
For me, I think I think there might be like
if there was one thing I would say, And I
couldn't have known this at the time either, so it's
kind of like, you know, this is looking back something
I maybe it's like wishful thinking, but like I do
wish I would have had thereby maybe the band would
(06:03):
have had just something we talked about in the last episode,
which is like a different definition of success, Like what
will success for this band be if I had I
feel like if I had a clearer vision of that
even when we started, you know, I think we might
have made I don't even want to say different decisions
because you're right, like along the way, you're just a
(06:24):
lot of it is just holding on in the wind.
You're just like shit, we're just trying to make the
best decisions as they're flying at us. But I think
for me, like you know, we talked about it, I think.
I mean, I was a kid. You're like, yeah, I
want to play arenas, I want to do the big shit.
I want to make lots of money. You know, I
don't know what else does the twenty three year old
want to do.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
But I think if I had a bit of a
if I had the guidance or some you know, if
I were able to go back and give myself some
guidance and just say, look, it is not fame you need.
You want success, and then define what's success is. Like
you want to just write great songs, enjoy playing music,
you know, like enjoy all of it as much as
you can, you know, enjoy writing this stuff, and like
(07:09):
if you find yourself not doing that, you might want
to reassess how you're doing it and why. You know
what I mean, I'm going to save myself some mental pain.
And you made a good point too, the idea of
like we put a lot of on our shoulders.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I know that you and I both sometimes we butted
heads more than anybody else in the band, But I
think we both felt like a responsibility to make this thing,
this crazy success and feeling like I want to make
everybody money I want to make, you know, I want
everyone to have the experiences of getting out into arenas
and stuff. So yeah, man, but I think that'd be it,
(07:45):
you know, but again you can't. We didn't have those mentors,
you know. Our mentors were just like, you know, we
didn't have I wouldn't say we had a great mentor.
In general. We had great people that give us great
advice along the way, but that kind of foundational advice
would have been probably helpful of like define success for
(08:07):
you what does that look like?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You're right?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And we didn't really have much mentors, right, Like, there
wasn't bands that we were tight with that were like, hey,
let's take us, take you under our wing, right, I
mean our mentors were like or like people were our
idols essentially, like we wanted to be like Pearl jam
Alice and Chains, Guns n' Roses whatever, and all those
bands had serious issues, right like they.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
All almost of the just crash and burn. Right, So yeah,
you're right. I think I think you.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
And I were both were hard on ourselves, and that's
something you have to learn to not be as you
get older. Right, It's like I remember, I remember that
feeling of just anxiousness because I felt there's always a
thousand things that we should be doing at any one
moment in time, right, and that that's know us, the
definition of anxiety.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's like, we should be doing all these things.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
We're never gonna make it, We're gonna turn forty and
not have made it.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And here we are, we're past forty.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And it's like that, that's a horrible that's a crappy feeling, like,
oh my god, we have to do all these things.
And I think I remember sending like dozens of emails
to you guys to day.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But here's what we should we could do.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We do this, we cad that we you know, and
it's like, no, you's got to be yourself and find
your own path. There's no two paths that are the
same in the music biz, right, So we took the
path that was ours and now we can look back
on it with pride, but at the time we're looking
at other people's paths, right, It's like that whole comparison
comparison culture, right, And yeah, that's that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, And you're right and there and you're right that
there weren't we didn't have contemporaries around us that were
in like they wanted the stuff we did either, like
you know, there's I think every city has its music
scene and stuff like that. And I know that you
and I talked about right off the hop, like we
don't want to be the biggest band in this city
or not even that, Like we don't want to be
(10:00):
scenes theres where we're just like part of this little
scene and it's very exclusionary. It's like, we want fucking fans, dude,
like we want you and I talked about that, like
not interested in like being cool with a bunch of
like cool bands around town. It was like, we just
want fans, and we want a real experience. We want
to tour around the world. And like, honestly, something that
(10:22):
I know that we have achieved is like we wanted
to be able to come home and play massive shows
and celebrate with our Saskatoon fans and the people that
really lifted us up in the beginning. And and we
get to do that at the Christmas show ever here,
which is like such a gift, you know. But we
didn't have other bands that were like let's go on
the road together, Like yeah, we want to get out too,
(10:42):
Let's go. It was all you know, there was a
lot of bands that just kind of wanted to be
safe and home and just sort of like, you know,
I'm not saying this throwing shake because everybody does it
the way they want to do it. But it was
kind of that sort of the mentality of like this
is good enough, Like I'm good just going out and
playing local and doing the stuff. But we were like, no,
(11:03):
we want to like I want to do the whole thing.
Let's tour the world. We wanted to do the spinal
tap thing. We wanted to tour the world to are
the states, you know, And I would.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Say that there is there is one A fond memory
just popped in my mind, which I think the one
exception to we didn't have contemporaries that want to.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Do the same thing. But I remember I have so
much fond memories of touring.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
With the Wild, Oh the Wild DAILI and the crew,
you know, coast to coast, like doing hard ass drives,
but always showing up and having them there. They were
just such bros, you know. And yeah, and then even like.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The Crownlands guys, we took them across the country. That
was awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And yeah, when we did find that, once we got
out right, like then we found bands that were also
out like doing you know for sure. Yeah, yeah, and
that took I mean we met the Wild probably almost
ten years into the career. But you're right, once we
found those bands in it was like, okay, yeah, we
got guys that are they're as driven in their crazy
as shit, and they're like, you know, they're ready to
(11:59):
go to any length to make this thing work, Like
you're so right, man, and that I we probably should
have talked more about that, and that was a real
gift to play with bands like them.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, and you forget these things, right, but I remember
it's like I'm picturing right now playing a colonna or
something with them and just having the time of our lives,
you know, And it's like, you know, yeah, just just
like to have, you know, contemporaries that are like your bros.
And it just because it always felt like it was
us against the world, as in obs against the world.
You got another band that's on your same page. It's
(12:32):
like you're sort of like join gangs, you know, you
got two different gangs fighting together. It's kind of a
cool feeling of camaraderie.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, well, and you know what, man, this is great,
Like we're kind of coming up on time. And I
had two questions, but you've basically answered the second one,
which is just like kind of fondest memories. And but
that's a really good I think that's the perfect answer
to like fond memories. And I think we probably didn't
get to this enough, which is like amazing people that
we met along the way. Bands we played with, like
(13:02):
the Wild Huge, like those are some of my favorite tours,
and they were you know, shout out to those guys
like Dylan and the crew, because like they were like us.
I mean they were they were nuts, like they those
guys did they they did what they said they were doing,
you know, and then they were amazing players. But the
(13:22):
thing I think we respected so much about them is
they were like us because they were also like they
were business. It was like they didn't fuck around on stage,
they didn't take their time and like, you know, fuck
with us because we were headlining and they were. They
were so respectful and they worked their asses off and
that's why they became successful.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's like they then you mentioned Crownland, same deal, like
those guys, they blew up. But the tour that we
took them on, man, they like did their set list.
They slayed it every night. They give us shout outs
every night, like amped up the crowd. They were on time,
and you know, they were just super professional as well
as being like crazy good players. And I mean, like
(14:01):
that's a recipe for success, right there is just like
you know, like b rock and roll and all that shit,
but it's like also be a professional, you know, and
that's why the bands like them have done so well.
I think, you know, I got.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
A couple of memories to share it and we can
go over and this you know, it's the last episode.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
We can go a bit long as long as you're
able to.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Oh yeah, absolutely, okay, So a couple of memories. First,
just speaking of the Wild you know, such a great
time touring them. I think we did a couple of
tours like coast to coast.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah. I have one memory.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We're in Kamloops and yes, they were totally respectful to
us and always whatever. I remember this memory of one
of them I won't say who, actually don't remember, had
a knife that was like it was like this massive,
like probably a buck Knife, which is their former band.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Name, and he kept throwing it at the.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Wall of the door of this bathroom and like there's
like it's putting these massive gashes in the door. And
I remember the next day we get a call from
the venue and they're like, who the hell.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What the hell happened to our bathroom door?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But they were just throwing just throwing a knife at
a door for like five minutes and just ruining the door.
Hopefully the venue owner is not listening because I just implicated.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
A member of the wild, But.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Hey, you did the right that you never named names though, right,
Like it's like it's like talking to the police. It's like, yeah, okay,
hey what you said happened. Sure, I don't know who
was there.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
This is Without Prejudice podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And then another great band we toured a lot with
and just want to give a shout out to Whale
in the Wolf, like we we did I think a
couple of tours with those guys, just such gems of
humans and such. I always remember them standing side stage
for our set every night, just watching us, which I
thought was super cool.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And then yeah, just as far as.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Great memories again, you know, fond memories, like the first
time we toured Arenas, which we talked about at length,
but just def Leppard and Judas Priest.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I mean, those two tours were such fun for me.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I felt like kind of like a kid, you know again, right,
I felt like, that's a great gift of.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Rock and rolls.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It can make you feel like a kid, even just
by listening to it. If I put on a great
ACDC song, I feel like I'm thirteen again, right, And
what a gift for that.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And but when you go when you're playing in the
band and you're playing Arenas for the first time, it's
like I just felt like it was such a new experience,
a new sensation to quote in excess, and it was
like it just felt like we'd made it, man, like
we you know, we'd worked our asses off.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That was the part of.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Our dream when we were twenty three, when we started
like let's play Arenas, and we actually did that, and
it was just crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean it's like going and going to catering and
eating like great food. I thought was great, you know,
like def Leppard, you know, it was good enough for them,
it was good enough for us, you know, just having
our vi our green room, be like the room where
the NHL team played in that arena, right like, that's
that's we go to the NHL player's room. That was
our green room, right Like, I felt like a rock star,
(16:56):
right And I think that that's something that no one
could take away from right, Like, we we have that.
We did it, We earned it. It wasn't a buy
on tour these days. So many bands buy on to
get that opening slot. We didn't have the money, nor
did we have the desire to buy onto tours.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
We earned it, right And the old fast Yeah, we
got invited out exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And anyways, yeah, those are just rambling because I've been
drinking this energy drink. But it's you know, those memories
stand out. And then getting a number one song, I
mean again, it's one of those things you can't No
one could take that away from us, right, we could
not many bands can say they got a number one song,
especially in rock and roll in Canada. It's kind of
(17:37):
it's even harder to do than it used to be.
And we did it, man, And it was like it
wasn't like we had a bunch of people opening doors
for us saying hey, walk on through. It's like we
had kicked down every fucking door we went through, and
we did it. We should use that knife from the
wild to get through those doors, but we didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But they were on maybe they were onto something, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
They were doing it for us.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
But anyway, I want to hear some of your just
just quick things that come to mind for greatest memories, you.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Know, dude, honestly, like I think you really need you
hit the nail on the head. I mean, like the
show we did, the Rock one No. Two show we
did where we headlined the arena at home. That was
a special memory. And that's only a couple of years ago. Now.
Uh no, we didn't really get into it. But when
we finished this podcast, well we're going to put something
out for people here, so we may get to it yet,
(18:26):
but that was a highlight just because like you know,
you come up into town and you think like, oh,
like yeah, you want to play arena's plural, but like
to headline that hometown arena, You're like, that's like kind
of the holy grail for like being a like free
for being a local band, you know what I mean,
Like that's your hometown, Like that's the big Willie and
we did it and that was like, you know, honestly
(18:49):
like love and shouts to Rock one No. Two for
treating us so well and inviting us to do that,
and just like what an experience to you know, we'd
opened so many shows in our arena's uh the headline
one was just like it was special, man, that was
that was super cool.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
That showed like.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
There's so many men Like I think, like we probably
sit here for hours just like talking about highlights and
and just stuff we've done, and like, you know, yeah,
I think like that that's a top one, and I
think arenas in general, like that first one we played
with def Leppard, just cause you had there's nothing like
there really is nothing like the first time you you
(19:31):
do something that you've been looking forward to your whole life,
Like the first time, you know, even sound checking on
that stage was insane, like you just look out. I
remember I took like a million photos of empty seats
because I was like, this is fucking crazy, like we're
about to do this, and then we go on stage
and you're like it's like it's it's that feeling of
going up, uh uh, like a ship, like a roller coaster.
(19:57):
It's like going up a roller coaster where you're like,
oh fuck, I'm on it, I'm here and we're about
to go over right, and so it's like that was
the feeling walking on stage or you're like just butterflies.
But yeah, man, you know what, we could go on forever.
We're over time on this one, but I'm gonna end
on this for this last episode, Katie. This has been
just an honor and just a blast to go through
(20:19):
all these memories with you, buddy. It's been great. And
I'm gonna say we'll put this out on social media too.
We're putting a cap on the podcast here because this
is the twentieth anniversary. We've gone over twenty years and
it's been a blast. But I will say if people
have questions, if there's stuff we didn't get to and
you've always wanted to know, let us know, Like let
(20:42):
us know on social media, like dm us just hit
us up, and you know, maybe we do a couple
of one offs in the future and just like get
to some people's questions. Because I'm sure there's as much
shit as we've talked about in like how many episodes
we're in now, Like you said, I'm sure there's a
million things we've missed on. So I look forward to
hearing people's questions, and most importantly, dude, I'm looking forward
(21:05):
to playing with you again, getting on stage here and
actually in a couple of days from the taping of this.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Thing likewise, But yeah, it's been awesome to go through everything,
and yeah, actually I'm really curious hear what people think
and if they have like questions. I feel like we
missed a lot, I think, or we go a lot
deeper on a lot of different things. So yeah, yeah,
send us your thoughts, your questions, and let's let's play
some music.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Buddy, sounds good, dude, We'll see you soon, okay, Peace,
Peace
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Thanks for listening to One Bad Podcast.
Welcome, It's the One Bad Podcast. Here's your host KD
and Shaner.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
All Right, Kati, this is the last episode. This has
been an awesome year. This podcast has been a blast, Buddy,
and it's been an honor to do it with you,
not just the podcast, but twenty years of rock and roll. Man,
I appreciate everything we've gone through together, Buddy.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Likewise, man, if it does feel like it's been such
a cool experience to kind of walk through these because
as as the listeners have noticed, like, you know, we
don't really we're not pre planning these discussions, and all
of a sudden, it's like, literally I feel like I'm
talking to a psychiatrist, like bringing bringing.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Up life events, you know. But thankfully it's all positive.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I Mean, there's always ups and downs, but it's like
it's all been like a really cool like I forgot
about so many of these things we did, you know,
and so it's kind of a it's a gift to
go back and reminisce, you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Know, absolutely, man, And that that is something that's crazy,
like just how much stuff as we talk, you know,
and you kind of mentally put yourself into a time frame.
You're like, oh, my god, I totally forgot that that happened,
you know, or at least like trauma pushed it out
of my brain, you know. But yeah, man, it's been cool.
It's been cool to reminisce on all of this stuff.
(01:15):
And you know, honestly, twenty years is a big deal.
Like I said on the last podcast, like we saw
that three years for a lot of bands is like
kind of the runtime, right, Like we saw three to
five years usually kills bands if they're not going to
make it, and then you kind of push through that
and then all of a sudden, it's your decade. Fifteen years,
(01:36):
twenty It's like, shit, I'm proud of us, man, I
really am, and grateful for the whole ride, and I'm
grateful for everybody that's been on it, honestly, like Tara
and Cooley have been an absolute gift. Grateful for Hicks,
Granny Saint Germain, like our producers. You know, time's good
and bad. Like I'm grateful for all of it, to
(01:57):
be honest. But this leads me into, uh, two questions
I have for you that I'd like to finish this
main podcast on and then uh and then we'll we'll
we'll put a request out to the listeners and see
what they think, what if, what, if anything, would you
do different? Like in obs going back to the beginning
(02:22):
or at any point, is there anything you would do different?
I mean, I know that's a loaded question, but it
like kind of a even a different mindset or.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You know, it's interesting like my I was both my
gut instinct, like when I hear the question, like I
don't it's not something I point to and say, oh,
like like.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I don't know. I don't have a lot of regrets.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And I mean in life in general, which I'm very
lucky for, I mean, but also when it comes to
the bad, you know what I mean, Like yeah, because
so nothing comes to mind. I mean honestly, I feel
like we made mistakes along the way, and mistakes are
where you learn, you know, and get better, right, Like
you rarely learn from your successes in life.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's if ever, yeah, right, So you know it's like
little things that we picked, you know, picking the wrong
a single that didn't succeed. It's like, oh, we should
have known it didn't succeed. But that's kind of like
it's like if you if you post something on this
is a funny example, you post something on Instagram and it.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Blows up in the response like, oh, I guess that
was success.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You post something it doesn't blow up, but it's like, oh,
I shouldn't do any more of that. And I think
that's a really poisonous thing with social media because it's
a it could just be the algorithm who's which.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Is fucking you?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Or be you know, you shouldn't just be doing things
because you get a great response on social media, right,
And so similar with the band, it's like, should we
have released Vinyl spin Burner as a single?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, it's probably not. It's two Balls to the Wall.
Radio is not ready. Radio is not Balls to the Wall, right, So,
but we did it because we believed it at the time. Right.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So it's sort of like nothing comes to mind, I guess,
is what I'm saying. So yeah, because I think I
don't know if we look back and said, Okay, I
shouldn't we shouldn't have done that mistake, Well, that mistake
could have led to other things that made us great, Right,
Like all those songs we wrote that had a two
minute intro before the riff, before the vocals kicked in.
(04:21):
We we had to learn that that's not actually very
catchy songwriting. So those mistakes led to scarecrows or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, honestly man like, and maybe that's that's just me
being honest, Like I don't nothing I would say I.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Do differently, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Maybe I think there's times where it's like I could
have been just more patient with or given myself some
more grace, like don't have so much pressure on your
own shoulders. But that's been more of a life learning thing.
It's like just it's not all up to you, like
you can't change everything in the world, you know. But
that's that's part of a deeper podcast for later, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But but how but how about you? You know, I
want to hear what your thoughts are on that.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, man, it's a great answer, and it is like
it is kind of a loaded question because you're right,
like you could you can just nitpick like little regrets
and stuff like that. The first thing I'll say is
that you're right that radio isn't balls to the wall.
It's like radio is balls in a very supportive safe jockey,
you know, So don't expect any different.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
That's that's generous to radio. Sometimes I think radio is
just it has no balls. It's been neutered, you know,
and much love the radio stations the playoffs because they
still they haven't yet, but they're you know, a lot
of them have one not remaining, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So they're holding none. Yeah, they're they're holding none. You know.
For me, I think I think there might be like
if there was one thing I would say, And I
couldn't have known this at the time either, so it's
kind of like, you know, this is looking back something
I maybe it's like wishful thinking, but like I do
wish I would have had thereby maybe the band would
(06:03):
have had just something we talked about in the last episode,
which is like a different definition of success, Like what
will success for this band be if I had I
feel like if I had a clearer vision of that
even when we started, you know, I think we might
have made I don't even want to say different decisions
because you're right, like along the way, you're just a
(06:24):
lot of it is just holding on in the wind.
You're just like shit, we're just trying to make the
best decisions as they're flying at us. But I think
for me, like you know, we talked about it, I think.
I mean, I was a kid. You're like, yeah, I
want to play arenas, I want to do the big shit.
I want to make lots of money. You know, I
don't know what else does the twenty three year old
want to do.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
But I think if I had a bit of a
if I had the guidance or some you know, if
I were able to go back and give myself some
guidance and just say, look, it is not fame you need.
You want success, and then define what's success is. Like
you want to just write great songs, enjoy playing music,
you know, like enjoy all of it as much as
you can, you know, enjoy writing this stuff, and like
(07:09):
if you find yourself not doing that, you might want
to reassess how you're doing it and why. You know
what I mean, I'm going to save myself some mental pain.
And you made a good point too, the idea of
like we put a lot of on our shoulders.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I know that you and I both sometimes we butted
heads more than anybody else in the band, But I
think we both felt like a responsibility to make this thing,
this crazy success and feeling like I want to make
everybody money I want to make, you know, I want
everyone to have the experiences of getting out into arenas
and stuff. So yeah, man, but I think that'd be it,
(07:45):
you know, but again you can't. We didn't have those mentors,
you know. Our mentors were just like, you know, we
didn't have I wouldn't say we had a great mentor.
In general. We had great people that give us great
advice along the way, but that kind of foundational advice
would have been probably helpful of like define success for
(08:07):
you what does that look like?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You're right?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And we didn't really have much mentors, right, Like, there
wasn't bands that we were tight with that were like, hey,
let's take us, take you under our wing, right, I
mean our mentors were like or like people were our
idols essentially, like we wanted to be like Pearl jam
Alice and Chains, Guns n' Roses whatever, and all those
bands had serious issues, right like they.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
All almost of the just crash and burn. Right, So yeah,
you're right. I think I think you.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
And I were both were hard on ourselves, and that's
something you have to learn to not be as you
get older. Right, It's like I remember, I remember that
feeling of just anxiousness because I felt there's always a
thousand things that we should be doing at any one
moment in time, right, and that that's know us, the
definition of anxiety.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's like, we should be doing all these things.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
We're never gonna make it, We're gonna turn forty and
not have made it.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And here we are, we're past forty.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And it's like that, that's a horrible that's a crappy feeling, like,
oh my god, we have to do all these things.
And I think I remember sending like dozens of emails
to you guys to day.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But here's what we should we could do.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We do this, we cad that we you know, and
it's like, no, you's got to be yourself and find
your own path. There's no two paths that are the
same in the music biz, right, So we took the
path that was ours and now we can look back
on it with pride, but at the time we're looking
at other people's paths, right, It's like that whole comparison
comparison culture, right, And yeah, that's that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, And you're right and there and you're right that
there weren't we didn't have contemporaries around us that were
in like they wanted the stuff we did either, like
you know, there's I think every city has its music
scene and stuff like that. And I know that you
and I talked about right off the hop, like we
don't want to be the biggest band in this city
or not even that, Like we don't want to be
(10:00):
scenes theres where we're just like part of this little
scene and it's very exclusionary. It's like, we want fucking fans, dude,
like we want you and I talked about that, like
not interested in like being cool with a bunch of
like cool bands around town. It was like, we just
want fans, and we want a real experience. We want
to tour around the world. And like, honestly, something that
(10:22):
I know that we have achieved is like we wanted
to be able to come home and play massive shows
and celebrate with our Saskatoon fans and the people that
really lifted us up in the beginning. And and we
get to do that at the Christmas show ever here,
which is like such a gift, you know. But we
didn't have other bands that were like let's go on
the road together, Like yeah, we want to get out too,
(10:42):
Let's go. It was all you know, there was a
lot of bands that just kind of wanted to be
safe and home and just sort of like, you know,
I'm not saying this throwing shake because everybody does it
the way they want to do it. But it was
kind of that sort of the mentality of like this
is good enough, Like I'm good just going out and
playing local and doing the stuff. But we were like, no,
(11:03):
we want to like I want to do the whole thing.
Let's tour the world. We wanted to do the spinal
tap thing. We wanted to tour the world to are
the states, you know, And I would.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Say that there is there is one A fond memory
just popped in my mind, which I think the one
exception to we didn't have contemporaries that want to.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Do the same thing. But I remember I have so
much fond memories of touring.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
With the Wild, Oh the Wild DAILI and the crew,
you know, coast to coast, like doing hard ass drives,
but always showing up and having them there. They were
just such bros, you know. And yeah, and then even like.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The Crownlands guys, we took them across the country. That
was awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And yeah, when we did find that, once we got
out right, like then we found bands that were also
out like doing you know for sure. Yeah, yeah, and
that took I mean we met the Wild probably almost
ten years into the career. But you're right, once we
found those bands in it was like, okay, yeah, we
got guys that are they're as driven in their crazy
as shit, and they're like, you know, they're ready to
(11:59):
go to any length to make this thing work, Like
you're so right, man, and that I we probably should
have talked more about that, and that was a real
gift to play with bands like them.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, and you forget these things, right, but I remember
it's like I'm picturing right now playing a colonna or
something with them and just having the time of our lives,
you know, And it's like, you know, yeah, just just
like to have, you know, contemporaries that are like your bros.
And it just because it always felt like it was
us against the world, as in obs against the world.
You got another band that's on your same page. It's
(12:32):
like you're sort of like join gangs, you know, you
got two different gangs fighting together. It's kind of a
cool feeling of camaraderie.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, well, and you know what, man, this is great,
Like we're kind of coming up on time. And I
had two questions, but you've basically answered the second one,
which is just like kind of fondest memories. And but
that's a really good I think that's the perfect answer
to like fond memories. And I think we probably didn't
get to this enough, which is like amazing people that
we met along the way. Bands we played with, like
(13:02):
the Wild Huge, like those are some of my favorite tours,
and they were you know, shout out to those guys
like Dylan and the crew, because like they were like us.
I mean they were they were nuts, like they those
guys did they they did what they said they were doing,
you know, and then they were amazing players. But the
(13:22):
thing I think we respected so much about them is
they were like us because they were also like they
were business. It was like they didn't fuck around on stage,
they didn't take their time and like, you know, fuck
with us because we were headlining and they were. They
were so respectful and they worked their asses off and
that's why they became successful.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's like they then you mentioned Crownland, same deal, like
those guys, they blew up. But the tour that we
took them on, man, they like did their set list.
They slayed it every night. They give us shout outs
every night, like amped up the crowd. They were on time,
and you know, they were just super professional as well
as being like crazy good players. And I mean, like
(14:01):
that's a recipe for success, right there is just like
you know, like b rock and roll and all that shit,
but it's like also be a professional, you know, and
that's why the bands like them have done so well.
I think, you know, I got.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
A couple of memories to share it and we can
go over and this you know, it's the last episode.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
We can go a bit long as long as you're
able to.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Oh yeah, absolutely, okay, So a couple of memories. First,
just speaking of the Wild you know, such a great
time touring them. I think we did a couple of
tours like coast to coast.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah. I have one memory.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We're in Kamloops and yes, they were totally respectful to
us and always whatever. I remember this memory of one
of them I won't say who, actually don't remember, had
a knife that was like it was like this massive,
like probably a buck Knife, which is their former band.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Name, and he kept throwing it at the.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Wall of the door of this bathroom and like there's
like it's putting these massive gashes in the door. And
I remember the next day we get a call from
the venue and they're like, who the hell.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What the hell happened to our bathroom door?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But they were just throwing just throwing a knife at
a door for like five minutes and just ruining the door.
Hopefully the venue owner is not listening because I just implicated.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
A member of the wild, But.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Hey, you did the right that you never named names though, right,
Like it's like it's like talking to the police. It's like, yeah, okay,
hey what you said happened. Sure, I don't know who
was there.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
This is Without Prejudice podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And then another great band we toured a lot with
and just want to give a shout out to Whale
in the Wolf, like we we did I think a
couple of tours with those guys, just such gems of
humans and such. I always remember them standing side stage
for our set every night, just watching us, which I
thought was super cool.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And then yeah, just as far as.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Great memories again, you know, fond memories, like the first
time we toured Arenas, which we talked about at length,
but just def Leppard and Judas Priest.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I mean, those two tours were such fun for me.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I felt like kind of like a kid, you know again, right,
I felt like, that's a great gift of.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Rock and rolls.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It can make you feel like a kid, even just
by listening to it. If I put on a great
ACDC song, I feel like I'm thirteen again, right, And
what a gift for that.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And but when you go when you're playing in the
band and you're playing Arenas for the first time, it's
like I just felt like it was such a new experience,
a new sensation to quote in excess, and it was
like it just felt like we'd made it, man, like
we you know, we'd worked our asses off.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That was the part of.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Our dream when we were twenty three, when we started
like let's play Arenas, and we actually did that, and
it was just crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean it's like going and going to catering and
eating like great food. I thought was great, you know,
like def Leppard, you know, it was good enough for them,
it was good enough for us, you know, just having
our vi our green room, be like the room where
the NHL team played in that arena, right like, that's
that's we go to the NHL player's room. That was
our green room, right Like, I felt like a rock star,
(16:56):
right And I think that that's something that no one
could take away from right, Like, we we have that.
We did it, We earned it. It wasn't a buy
on tour these days. So many bands buy on to
get that opening slot. We didn't have the money, nor
did we have the desire to buy onto tours.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
We earned it, right And the old fast Yeah, we
got invited out exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And anyways, yeah, those are just rambling because I've been
drinking this energy drink. But it's you know, those memories
stand out. And then getting a number one song, I
mean again, it's one of those things you can't No
one could take that away from us, right, we could
not many bands can say they got a number one song,
especially in rock and roll in Canada. It's kind of
(17:37):
it's even harder to do than it used to be.
And we did it, man, And it was like it
wasn't like we had a bunch of people opening doors
for us saying hey, walk on through. It's like we
had kicked down every fucking door we went through, and
we did it. We should use that knife from the
wild to get through those doors, but we didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But they were on maybe they were onto something, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
They were doing it for us.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
But anyway, I want to hear some of your just
just quick things that come to mind for greatest memories, you.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Know, dude, honestly, like I think you really need you
hit the nail on the head. I mean, like the
show we did, the Rock one No. Two show we
did where we headlined the arena at home. That was
a special memory. And that's only a couple of years ago. Now.
Uh no, we didn't really get into it. But when
we finished this podcast, well we're going to put something
out for people here, so we may get to it yet,
(18:26):
but that was a highlight just because like you know,
you come up into town and you think like, oh,
like yeah, you want to play arena's plural, but like
to headline that hometown arena, You're like, that's like kind
of the holy grail for like being a like free
for being a local band, you know what I mean,
Like that's your hometown, Like that's the big Willie and
we did it and that was like, you know, honestly
(18:49):
like love and shouts to Rock one No. Two for
treating us so well and inviting us to do that,
and just like what an experience to you know, we'd
opened so many shows in our arena's uh the headline
one was just like it was special, man, that was
that was super cool.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
That showed like.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
There's so many men Like I think, like we probably
sit here for hours just like talking about highlights and
and just stuff we've done, and like, you know, yeah,
I think like that that's a top one, and I
think arenas in general, like that first one we played
with def Leppard, just cause you had there's nothing like
there really is nothing like the first time you you
(19:31):
do something that you've been looking forward to your whole life,
Like the first time, you know, even sound checking on
that stage was insane, like you just look out. I
remember I took like a million photos of empty seats
because I was like, this is fucking crazy, like we're
about to do this, and then we go on stage
and you're like it's like it's it's that feeling of
going up, uh uh, like a ship, like a roller coaster.
(19:57):
It's like going up a roller coaster where you're like,
oh fuck, I'm on it, I'm here and we're about
to go over right, and so it's like that was
the feeling walking on stage or you're like just butterflies.
But yeah, man, you know what, we could go on forever.
We're over time on this one, but I'm gonna end
on this for this last episode, Katie. This has been
just an honor and just a blast to go through
(20:19):
all these memories with you, buddy. It's been great. And
I'm gonna say we'll put this out on social media too.
We're putting a cap on the podcast here because this
is the twentieth anniversary. We've gone over twenty years and
it's been a blast. But I will say if people
have questions, if there's stuff we didn't get to and
you've always wanted to know, let us know, Like let
(20:42):
us know on social media, like dm us just hit
us up, and you know, maybe we do a couple
of one offs in the future and just like get
to some people's questions. Because I'm sure there's as much
shit as we've talked about in like how many episodes
we're in now, Like you said, I'm sure there's a
million things we've missed on. So I look forward to
hearing people's questions, and most importantly, dude, I'm looking forward
(21:05):
to playing with you again, getting on stage here and
actually in a couple of days from the taping of this.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Thing likewise, But yeah, it's been awesome to go through everything,
and yeah, actually I'm really curious hear what people think
and if they have like questions. I feel like we
missed a lot, I think, or we go a lot
deeper on a lot of different things. So yeah, yeah,
send us your thoughts, your questions, and let's let's play
some music.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Buddy, sounds good, dude, We'll see you soon, okay, Peace,
Peace
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Thanks for listening to One Bad Podcast.
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