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(00:01):
Welcome the One Bad Podcast. Here'syour host Kyd and Shaner. So,
Katie, we ended on a cliffhangerthe last episode, which was the reason
you mentioned in the last podcast thatit was such a big deal not only
to work with Danny, not onlyto like really find our sound, really
(00:26):
you know, get our first likebig studio experience. But the reason all
that was going on is that sixoh four Records in Vancouver, which is
Chad Kroger of Nickelback. I thinkhe might still be part owner. But
it was a big deal for us. We had a record deal like I
don't want to say looming, butit was, like I put last time,
it was kind of like the carrotbeing dangled in front of us.
(00:47):
And if it was kind of likeyou get these three songs, if they're
good, if you can get someradio traction. You know, we were
getting a lot of that. Ifthis happens, if that happens, maybe
something right you're you're a little bandfrom Saskatoon. We don't know, but
there was a record deal on thehorizon. Possibly, Yeah, that's the
thing. And so and yeah,I mean we'd started to get some attention,
(01:11):
you know a little bit because wecould, you know, we had
a good live show and had someradio but like, I think people saw
the potential, you know, likelike Simkins saw the potential with the Owner
of six or four. But yeah, we cut those three songs, and
yeah, I remember at the timethinking, like you know again, thinking
we cut these three songs, geta massive record deal and be be you
know, as big as Nickelback andNo Time kind of you know. And
(01:36):
then what did we release first?Was it Retribution Blue? Because what was
on the EP Retribution Blues Russ Bucket, Russ Bucket Works in Days? Yes,
Oh, man, I that thatsong. That's that's the only it's
only on that ep, isn't it. I yeah, actually the idea completely
forgot. Yeah, it's it stillstands up, you know, it's got
some vibes. But I think butwe didn't release Blues. No, I
(01:57):
think we just really or didn't reallyYeah, because remember there was we'll probably
get to this in a bit,there was weirdness because oh actually we did
because we uh spoiler alert, wereleased Russ Bucket as our first single off
the Red album. Uh. Andthere's like a whole story about that and
what happened and what almost happened,but it was we were gonna do Blues,
(02:20):
but they were like, you've alreadydone it, so you gotta But
yeah, because we got a littlebit of traction with radio, but it
was independent, like it wasn't througha label or anything. So yeah,
but this this leads to this,like you know, this era. When
you actually look back on it,you're like, you know, when you're
living through everything, when you're livingthrough something, everything seems to take forever.
(02:44):
You know, you're like, holyshit, is anything ever gonna happen?
But now you look back and you'relike, wow, we like you
We did Orange City, we touredour asses off, we moved out of
that house, we met Danny,you know, we're out there recording the
record. Deals like you're like,holy shit. A lot happened in a
short period time. But we hada huge decision to make, which was
(03:04):
Blues was out doing okay, andthey were asking for stuff like we were
kind of like, well, ifyou get a song on the radio,
if this, if that, andwe were showing them that, like we
can do this stuff, but theywere still like they weren't exactly biting.
So the next deal was like,well, you know, do we move
to Vancouver? Like do we show? And I remember being like, you
(03:27):
know, it was another We've hada few of these moments in our career
where it's like, how how seriouslydo you actually take this? Will you
like uproot your life for your dream? You know? And that was it
was tough. It was a toughdecision. I mean, I still none
of us had a ton of cash. You don't just move to Vancouver,
even in that era and think likeit should be no problem. Right,
(03:49):
Well that's it, I mean,yeah, that was That was a big
decision. And I think I dosay this often to to bands these days.
It's like, yeah, are youyou know, are you prepared to
move to like Toronto Vank? Right? Because that you know, you can
make it by not being in thosebig cities. But it's just it's a
lot tougher, you know, yougotta you're going to be seeing more and
you'll be seeing as more professional tooif you're in those two big cities,
(04:11):
right, and and Toronto probably betterthan Van. But we chose Van because
that's where the label was and itwas a closer drive from Saskatin. But
yeah, it was like, yeah, biggest issue and I think it just
showed how committee we all were,like we all wanted to become, you
know, the biggest band in thecountry or the world, and then yeah,
we got out there, and thatwas kind of the crazy thing is
well, eventually, I mean,I don't know how far I want to
(04:33):
jump ahead, but we got thedeal eventually, which is great, but
then we entered this Speaking of thatwaiting period, I mean, I feel
like the the hardest time was thatthe time from when we signed the deal
to when we finally released Scarecrows andactually had a hit, you know,
and yeah, or even the wholerecord, I think, because and the
crazy was this is just shows howthere's something that most things in the music
(04:55):
biz are so out of your controlas an artist. But for us,
it was the fact that Carli Rayjeps and blew up and was on our
label, and so it was sortof all hands on deck at six or
four records on Carly Ray and basicallySam because like, I'm not releasing your
record and I'm too busy. Sowe just sat around Vancouver in the fucking
rain, you know, and thegloomy Vancouver. You know. I just
(05:15):
pictured being walking downtown Vancouver and you'restrouded by you know, all the sad
you know, you know, drugaddicts and homeless people and like the rain.
And I was just like, holyshit, this is what why did
we come out? But it wasbecause it was it was I think it
was what two years of sitting aroundwaiting, right, it was two years,
Like two years are like about twoyears of their life, we thought.
(05:36):
And around that time too, likeI remember, like, you know,
our buddies, the sheep Dogs blewup with the whole Rolling Stone thing,
and everyone's like the SaaS Dude's band, the sheep Dogs, and you
know, we all thought that we'dbecome that the Sassin band that broke through,
right, And and we're sitting around, what do you guys up tore,
Like, Oh, we're just sittingaround being depressed in the Vancouver rain,
(05:56):
you know, waiting on our fuckinglabel to really read the record.
But to me, that was likethe heart the probably the biggest, the
hardest time of our career for mewas was those two years. But how
about you. It wasn't hard forme because I think I blocked it all
out where I'm like that never dude, that never happened. We were out
there and then we went on tourand it was great. That's when we
that's when we started getting into heavyi PA drinking, so we were drinking
(06:20):
the eight percent i PA. Somaybe most of it is a fall.
Yeah, well and one of theamnesiac from Phillips that really did a number
on me. But no, youknow man, that it was so difficult.
You're right because like, you know, we went out there with this
momentum and you go, you know, and it was like, holy shit,
we're moving out again. The sameway we moved into the band house
(06:42):
in Saskatoon where like the band isgoing out to Vancouver. All four of
us went out. Granny was inthe band at the time. Uh,
and just we went out there andhad all this momentum. Felt great,
I think because then we finished therecord obviously and had these songs that we
thought like, holy shit, likewe we have written the best songs of
our career. That much. Weknew we had a feeling about some of
(07:04):
them being like these could be someof these like might have some actual potential
for radio and like not in thatdelusional way we were doing it in two
thousand and five where it's like fuckit we're gonna take over the world.
Here, here's a live in Texas, like it's gonna do it. But
this time we were like, there'sreal momentum. And then you're right.
(07:24):
You said it perfectly, like allthese things you cannot imagine might happen could
happen. Where Carly Ray blew upwith that song and just they shelved everybody.
It wasn't just us. So everyone'ssitting around like we couldn't. The
label wouldn't even meet with us fortwo years. It was like we heard
nothing for months, and that wasI mean, obviously they could have hang
(07:46):
that way fucking better. Like wesat like they wouldn't return to emails and
stuff, and it's like this isour lives. We're sitting there and we're
also, like you said earlier,we're broke, we're starting. I mean,
we're working our asses off, tryingto just pay the bills and our
dreams. Like you said, wethink we're ready to do it, and
I remember just being I was prettypretty bummed out. I mean, sitting
there, it's tough, man,And looking back now, I would have
(08:07):
just walked into his office and likegave it to him. But you know,
we didn't want to. We weren'twho we are now, and we
didn't also want to get dropped fromthe label or something. You know,
they could we're not releasing the record, go to hell, and we couldn't
done anything right. Yeah, Andhonestly, like obviously, you know,
probably more than anybody else in mylife, how many bands, like all
through history that have had that happen, Like record a record, the labels
(08:30):
like, nah, forget it.You know, we're not feeling it or
we don't think it's viable and theycan just kill it. And we were
worried about that because it's like,holy shit, even at that point,
we're already you know, that's that'sfive six years into our career and all
of that touring, and you justthis is another thing that I think people
don't get about being an artist,where you're like, it is really difficult
(08:52):
to keep your shit together when you'veworked this hard, you put all this
time in. We were like,you know, I don't even won't even
say the amount of money in debt. We were just to get that record
made, but now we can't tour. So not only is it like oh
shit, like you might not geton the radio and your dreams might not
come true. It's also like literallyI get the bank calling me saying,
(09:15):
like, you've got to make paymentson this card, like you you know,
but we're like, we can't tourif we don't have new music,
because you know, already in thatera, you know, even though the
other records didn't do much on radio, it was still like, you know,
we're building the fan base, soif you have new songs out,
well, you can go tour.So we, like I remember, we
would jam like we always did andtry to figure out what do we do,
(09:37):
Like we couldn't get gigs because theplaces we were playing were like we
want new music, Like you can'tcome back with just the same show that
you did last year. So it'sjust like this was like rock and roll
purgatory for us. You're right,yeah, at least if you because the
middle the middle world is crap.Like you know, if you're if you're
(09:58):
not succeeding, or you're succeeding,that's easy, but in the middle,
it's like you feel stock I felt, I felt, I remember, feel
a lot of anxiety on that time, you know, and also resentment towards
our label. But you couldn't domuch about it. It was just like,
you know, we could have easily. I'm sure any of us could
have given up, right like saidI'm going back to Saasto and giving up,
you know. But yeah, andthat's a good point too, And
(10:22):
honestly, man, like I'm proudof everybody in this band, like you
know, us are new members,former members, like you know, we
put up with a lot of shitwhen you're right, like could have thrown
the towel and it been like,well forget it, like you know,
but for two years, like andthat's like, that's no joke, two
solid years, Like there was veryfew shows, couldn't hear back from the
(10:46):
label, and we were just sittingthere just wondering, like what what do
you do? Because every it waslike every step in our career was like
it can't get harder than this,you know, it can't be you know,
driving out to like Grand Prairie nogas in the tank in like two
thousand and six, you're thinking,oh, I can't get worse than like
these gigs are playing and you know, but of course it can. You're
(11:07):
like, don't ever say that,like just but it was a point too,
and It's a good to spend sometime on this because again we talked
about this in like early episodes,how these are moments bands typically gloss over,
right, because if you look atour career, it's like start out
in Saskatoon, you know, westart we did well there, We're like
a we're like a pretty big Saskatoonband. Scarecrows comes out, it's a
(11:31):
hit. We're on the road,we're opening for Judas Priest. Like you
know, that's how like a biogoes where you're like, of course you're
not gonna sit there for fifteen minutesand talk about how miserable you were walking
around Vancouver thinking like and I remember, like we weren't. It wasn't one
of these things where we were sittingaround thinking like, well, somebody's got
(11:54):
to you know, they've got tohelp us out, Like we were stuck,
like we there wasn't anything for usto do. And I we'd never
been in a position where it waslike you can't do anything, like you're
now you have this this label.That's great, but you're stuck. But
I'm proud of everybody for pushing through. And we did, you know,
probably a little too much. Drinkingin that era, like for real,
(12:15):
just we jam. But I rememberspending you know, half the jam just
talking and being like what can wedo? What should we do? How
do we you know? And thenyou know we're coming up on time here
pretty quick. But it's a hugemoment for us because we pushed through it
and uh, you know, wedid whatever gigs we could get, and
(12:37):
finally the label starts picking up thephone and you know, now it's like,
okay, well you've got you've gotthis record, and it's time to
get out and figure out what songis gonna go on the radio. And
then we release our massive hit RussBucket. We'll get that. I would
say two things for this episode ends, because yeah, first off, first
(12:58):
and foremast Yeah, on those twoyears, you're right, that was all
of those times in our lives andour career, and everyone has it in
their life at some point where becauseeveryone kept asking, remember what do you
guys after you moved to Vancouver,like what's next, you know, and
we just kept saying, we gotthis thing, It's gonna happen, you
know, and we believe in thesongs, but we all believed in ourselves,
right, and no one else didNo one else in the no radio
people aside from Gary knew what wasgonna come down, like no one like
(13:24):
something's the only all the only peopleyou have supporting you is you, right,
Like we knew and people are like, sure, you're gonna make it
two years sitting on my recouver waiting, but we knew. The second thing
I want to end on this isI remember because we'd sit around talk you
say, we just sit around talkand drink. I remember I came up
with this crackpot idea that like,because radio wouldn't play our songs. Remember
my remember my anti radio released strategy, which was we're gonna release a song,
(13:48):
oh yeah, and radio wasn't allowedto play it. If any radio
stations play it, we would suethem or something. Remember it's like this,
It was like, what a dumbass idea. But like I thought,
radio, this is song not forradio because remember Rado is playing all
the crappy stuff that nickel Back andstuff that I'm not a fan of.
But we're like, we're at leasta song it's only for the fans.
Stations can't play it. It's likethis anti radio manifesto, And I think
(14:13):
you're you maybe said a good ideaand then the next day you're like,
that's actually a shitty idea. Butthere was this anti radio release. Oh
dude, I was I bet Iwas on board because I think, like,
when you're making decisions based on alcoholand rage fueled rants, you're like,
yeah, fuck those guys, likethey don't get our songs. Like,
But also I think deep down we'relike that might work, you know
what I have to do with them? And I was going to draft a
(14:35):
letter of like suing. Anyways,Okay, we'll leave it on that.
I think it's a great way toend it. But dude, that is
the anti radio Manifesto. And Imean we'll see, like there's a we
have new music in the it's it'ssitting. It's sitting in the bin right
now, so you never know,maybe we take the anti radio Manifesto to
twenty twenty four. Right, Well, at least we have Spotify now that
(14:56):
we didn't have Spotify back then,so the idea was crap without a there's
no way to get it out there. But anyways, or were you just
ahead of your time, buddy,as you often are. Okay, it's
a great place to end, dude, and getting into coming up is watershed
moment, and you know we're gonnaget into Scarecrows and all that. I
still didn't touch on the TVs,I realized, so we'll bring that up
(15:18):
next time too. We'll talk toyou soon, Buddy, say thanks,
Buddy, thanks for listening to OneBad Podcast
Welcome the One Bad Podcast. Here'syour host Kyd and Shaner. So,
Katie, we ended on a cliffhangerthe last episode, which was the reason
you mentioned in the last podcast thatit was such a big deal not only
to work with Danny, not onlyto like really find our sound, really
(00:26):
you know, get our first likebig studio experience. But the reason all
that was going on is that sixoh four Records in Vancouver, which is
Chad Kroger of Nickelback. I thinkhe might still be part owner. But
it was a big deal for us. We had a record deal like I
don't want to say looming, butit was, like I put last time,
it was kind of like the carrotbeing dangled in front of us.
(00:47):
And if it was kind of likeyou get these three songs, if they're
good, if you can get someradio traction. You know, we were
getting a lot of that. Ifthis happens, if that happens, maybe
something right you're you're a little bandfrom Saskatoon. We don't know, but
there was a record deal on thehorizon. Possibly, Yeah, that's the
thing. And so and yeah,I mean we'd started to get some attention,
(01:11):
you know a little bit because wecould, you know, we had
a good live show and had someradio but like, I think people saw
the potential, you know, likelike Simkins saw the potential with the Owner
of six or four. But yeah, we cut those three songs, and
yeah, I remember at the timethinking, like you know again, thinking
we cut these three songs, geta massive record deal and be be you
know, as big as Nickelback andNo Time kind of you know. And
(01:36):
then what did we release first?Was it Retribution Blue? Because what was
on the EP Retribution Blues Russ Bucket, Russ Bucket Works in Days? Yes,
Oh, man, I that thatsong. That's that's the only it's
only on that ep, isn't it. I yeah, actually the idea completely
forgot. Yeah, it's it stillstands up, you know, it's got
some vibes. But I think butwe didn't release Blues. No, I
(01:57):
think we just really or didn't reallyYeah, because remember there was we'll probably
get to this in a bit,there was weirdness because oh actually we did
because we uh spoiler alert, wereleased Russ Bucket as our first single off
the Red album. Uh. Andthere's like a whole story about that and
what happened and what almost happened,but it was we were gonna do Blues,
(02:20):
but they were like, you've alreadydone it, so you gotta But
yeah, because we got a littlebit of traction with radio, but it
was independent, like it wasn't througha label or anything. So yeah,
but this this leads to this,like you know, this era. When
you actually look back on it,you're like, you know, when you're
living through everything, when you're livingthrough something, everything seems to take forever.
(02:44):
You know, you're like, holyshit, is anything ever gonna happen?
But now you look back and you'relike, wow, we like you
We did Orange City, we touredour asses off, we moved out of
that house, we met Danny,you know, we're out there recording the
record. Deals like you're like,holy shit. A lot happened in a
short period time. But we hada huge decision to make, which was
(03:04):
Blues was out doing okay, andthey were asking for stuff like we were
kind of like, well, ifyou get a song on the radio,
if this, if that, andwe were showing them that, like we
can do this stuff, but theywere still like they weren't exactly biting.
So the next deal was like,well, you know, do we move
to Vancouver? Like do we show? And I remember being like, you
(03:27):
know, it was another We've hada few of these moments in our career
where it's like, how how seriouslydo you actually take this? Will you
like uproot your life for your dream? You know? And that was it
was tough. It was a toughdecision. I mean, I still none
of us had a ton of cash. You don't just move to Vancouver,
even in that era and think likeit should be no problem. Right,
(03:49):
Well that's it, I mean,yeah, that was That was a big
decision. And I think I dosay this often to to bands these days.
It's like, yeah, are youyou know, are you prepared to
move to like Toronto Vank? Right? Because that you know, you can
make it by not being in thosebig cities. But it's just it's a
lot tougher, you know, yougotta you're going to be seeing more and
you'll be seeing as more professional tooif you're in those two big cities,
(04:11):
right, and and Toronto probably betterthan Van. But we chose Van because
that's where the label was and itwas a closer drive from Saskatin. But
yeah, it was like, yeah, biggest issue and I think it just
showed how committee we all were,like we all wanted to become, you
know, the biggest band in thecountry or the world, and then yeah,
we got out there, and thatwas kind of the crazy thing is
well, eventually, I mean,I don't know how far I want to
(04:33):
jump ahead, but we got thedeal eventually, which is great, but
then we entered this Speaking of thatwaiting period, I mean, I feel
like the the hardest time was thatthe time from when we signed the deal
to when we finally released Scarecrows andactually had a hit, you know,
and yeah, or even the wholerecord, I think, because and the
crazy was this is just shows howthere's something that most things in the music
(04:55):
biz are so out of your controlas an artist. But for us,
it was the fact that Carli Rayjeps and blew up and was on our
label, and so it was sortof all hands on deck at six or
four records on Carly Ray and basicallySam because like, I'm not releasing your
record and I'm too busy. Sowe just sat around Vancouver in the fucking
rain, you know, and thegloomy Vancouver. You know. I just
(05:15):
pictured being walking downtown Vancouver and you'restrouded by you know, all the sad
you know, you know, drugaddicts and homeless people and like the rain.
And I was just like, holyshit, this is what why did
we come out? But it wasbecause it was it was I think it
was what two years of sitting aroundwaiting, right, it was two years,
Like two years are like about twoyears of their life, we thought.
(05:36):
And around that time too, likeI remember, like, you know,
our buddies, the sheep Dogs blewup with the whole Rolling Stone thing,
and everyone's like the SaaS Dude's band, the sheep Dogs, and you
know, we all thought that we'dbecome that the Sassin band that broke through,
right, And and we're sitting around, what do you guys up tore,
Like, Oh, we're just sittingaround being depressed in the Vancouver rain,
(05:56):
you know, waiting on our fuckinglabel to really read the record.
But to me, that was likethe heart the probably the biggest, the
hardest time of our career for mewas was those two years. But how
about you. It wasn't hard forme because I think I blocked it all
out where I'm like that never dude, that never happened. We were out
there and then we went on tourand it was great. That's when we
that's when we started getting into heavyi PA drinking, so we were drinking
(06:20):
the eight percent i PA. Somaybe most of it is a fall.
Yeah, well and one of theamnesiac from Phillips that really did a number
on me. But no, youknow man, that it was so difficult.
You're right because like, you know, we went out there with this
momentum and you go, you know, and it was like, holy shit,
we're moving out again. The sameway we moved into the band house
(06:42):
in Saskatoon where like the band isgoing out to Vancouver. All four of
us went out. Granny was inthe band at the time. Uh,
and just we went out there andhad all this momentum. Felt great,
I think because then we finished therecord obviously and had these songs that we
thought like, holy shit, likewe we have written the best songs of
our career. That much. Weknew we had a feeling about some of
(07:04):
them being like these could be someof these like might have some actual potential
for radio and like not in thatdelusional way we were doing it in two
thousand and five where it's like fuckit we're gonna take over the world.
Here, here's a live in Texas, like it's gonna do it. But
this time we were like, there'sreal momentum. And then you're right.
(07:24):
You said it perfectly, like allthese things you cannot imagine might happen could
happen. Where Carly Ray blew upwith that song and just they shelved everybody.
It wasn't just us. So everyone'ssitting around like we couldn't. The
label wouldn't even meet with us fortwo years. It was like we heard
nothing for months, and that wasI mean, obviously they could have hang
(07:46):
that way fucking better. Like wesat like they wouldn't return to emails and
stuff, and it's like this isour lives. We're sitting there and we're
also, like you said earlier,we're broke, we're starting. I mean,
we're working our asses off, tryingto just pay the bills and our
dreams. Like you said, wethink we're ready to do it, and
I remember just being I was prettypretty bummed out. I mean, sitting
there, it's tough, man,And looking back now, I would have
(08:07):
just walked into his office and likegave it to him. But you know,
we didn't want to. We weren'twho we are now, and we
didn't also want to get dropped fromthe label or something. You know,
they could we're not releasing the record, go to hell, and we couldn't
done anything right. Yeah, Andhonestly, like obviously, you know,
probably more than anybody else in mylife, how many bands, like all
through history that have had that happen, Like record a record, the labels
(08:30):
like, nah, forget it.You know, we're not feeling it or
we don't think it's viable and theycan just kill it. And we were
worried about that because it's like,holy shit, even at that point,
we're already you know, that's that'sfive six years into our career and all
of that touring, and you justthis is another thing that I think people
don't get about being an artist,where you're like, it is really difficult
(08:52):
to keep your shit together when you'veworked this hard, you put all this
time in. We were like,you know, I don't even won't even
say the amount of money in debt. We were just to get that record
made, but now we can't tour. So not only is it like oh
shit, like you might not geton the radio and your dreams might not
come true. It's also like literallyI get the bank calling me saying,
(09:15):
like, you've got to make paymentson this card, like you you know,
but we're like, we can't tourif we don't have new music,
because you know, already in thatera, you know, even though the
other records didn't do much on radio, it was still like, you know,
we're building the fan base, soif you have new songs out,
well, you can go tour.So we, like I remember, we
would jam like we always did andtry to figure out what do we do,
(09:37):
Like we couldn't get gigs because theplaces we were playing were like we
want new music, Like you can'tcome back with just the same show that
you did last year. So it'sjust like this was like rock and roll
purgatory for us. You're right,yeah, at least if you because the
middle the middle world is crap.Like you know, if you're if you're
(09:58):
not succeeding, or you're succeeding,that's easy, but in the middle,
it's like you feel stock I felt, I felt, I remember, feel
a lot of anxiety on that time, you know, and also resentment towards
our label. But you couldn't domuch about it. It was just like,
you know, we could have easily. I'm sure any of us could
have given up, right like saidI'm going back to Saasto and giving up,
you know. But yeah, andthat's a good point too, And
(10:22):
honestly, man, like I'm proudof everybody in this band, like you
know, us are new members,former members, like you know, we
put up with a lot of shitwhen you're right, like could have thrown
the towel and it been like,well forget it, like you know,
but for two years, like andthat's like, that's no joke, two
solid years, Like there was veryfew shows, couldn't hear back from the
(10:46):
label, and we were just sittingthere just wondering, like what what do
you do? Because every it waslike every step in our career was like
it can't get harder than this,you know, it can't be you know,
driving out to like Grand Prairie nogas in the tank in like two
thousand and six, you're thinking,oh, I can't get worse than like
these gigs are playing and you know, but of course it can. You're
(11:07):
like, don't ever say that,like just but it was a point too,
and It's a good to spend sometime on this because again we talked
about this in like early episodes,how these are moments bands typically gloss over,
right, because if you look atour career, it's like start out
in Saskatoon, you know, westart we did well there, We're like
a we're like a pretty big Saskatoonband. Scarecrows comes out, it's a
(11:31):
hit. We're on the road,we're opening for Judas Priest. Like you
know, that's how like a biogoes where you're like, of course you're
not gonna sit there for fifteen minutesand talk about how miserable you were walking
around Vancouver thinking like and I remember, like we weren't. It wasn't one
of these things where we were sittingaround thinking like, well, somebody's got
(11:54):
to you know, they've got tohelp us out, Like we were stuck,
like we there wasn't anything for usto do. And I we'd never
been in a position where it waslike you can't do anything, like you're
now you have this this label.That's great, but you're stuck. But
I'm proud of everybody for pushing through. And we did, you know,
probably a little too much. Drinkingin that era, like for real,
(12:15):
just we jam. But I rememberspending you know, half the jam just
talking and being like what can wedo? What should we do? How
do we you know? And thenyou know we're coming up on time here
pretty quick. But it's a hugemoment for us because we pushed through it
and uh, you know, wedid whatever gigs we could get, and
(12:37):
finally the label starts picking up thephone and you know, now it's like,
okay, well you've got you've gotthis record, and it's time to
get out and figure out what songis gonna go on the radio. And
then we release our massive hit RussBucket. We'll get that. I would
say two things for this episode ends, because yeah, first off, first
(12:58):
and foremast Yeah, on those twoyears, you're right, that was all
of those times in our lives andour career, and everyone has it in
their life at some point where becauseeveryone kept asking, remember what do you
guys after you moved to Vancouver,like what's next, you know, and
we just kept saying, we gotthis thing, It's gonna happen, you
know, and we believe in thesongs, but we all believed in ourselves,
right, and no one else didNo one else in the no radio
people aside from Gary knew what wasgonna come down, like no one like
(13:24):
something's the only all the only peopleyou have supporting you is you, right,
Like we knew and people are like, sure, you're gonna make it
two years sitting on my recouver waiting, but we knew. The second thing
I want to end on this isI remember because we'd sit around talk you
say, we just sit around talkand drink. I remember I came up
with this crackpot idea that like,because radio wouldn't play our songs. Remember
my remember my anti radio released strategy, which was we're gonna release a song,
(13:48):
oh yeah, and radio wasn't allowedto play it. If any radio
stations play it, we would suethem or something. Remember it's like this,
It was like, what a dumbass idea. But like I thought,
radio, this is song not forradio because remember Rado is playing all
the crappy stuff that nickel Back andstuff that I'm not a fan of.
But we're like, we're at leasta song it's only for the fans.
Stations can't play it. It's likethis anti radio manifesto, And I think
(14:13):
you're you maybe said a good ideaand then the next day you're like,
that's actually a shitty idea. Butthere was this anti radio release. Oh
dude, I was I bet Iwas on board because I think, like,
when you're making decisions based on alcoholand rage fueled rants, you're like,
yeah, fuck those guys, likethey don't get our songs. Like,
But also I think deep down we'relike that might work, you know
what I have to do with them? And I was going to draft a
(14:35):
letter of like suing. Anyways,Okay, we'll leave it on that.
I think it's a great way toend it. But dude, that is
the anti radio Manifesto. And Imean we'll see, like there's a we
have new music in the it's it'ssitting. It's sitting in the bin right
now, so you never know,maybe we take the anti radio Manifesto to
twenty twenty four. Right, Well, at least we have Spotify now that
(14:56):
we didn't have Spotify back then,so the idea was crap without a there's
no way to get it out there. But anyways, or were you just
ahead of your time, buddy,as you often are. Okay, it's
a great place to end, dude, and getting into coming up is watershed
moment, and you know we're gonnaget into Scarecrows and all that. I
still didn't touch on the TVs,I realized, so we'll bring that up
(15:18):
next time too. We'll talk toyou soon, Buddy, say thanks,
Buddy, thanks for listening to OneBad Podcast
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