OREP 22 | Is Your Home Toxic? How To Identify & Fix Common Health Hazards To Sell Your Home - Optimized Real Estate with Rod Wilson

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to Optimize Real Estate Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the Optimized Real
Estate Podcast, where I bring you the latest insights and
strategies from some of the industry's experts, and today is
no exception. I got an amazing guest. He is an
environmental engineer, and this is something I've been wanting to
cover and talk about for a long time because I
think most of us are living in quote unquote unhealthy homes.

(00:32):
So I sit down with Bo Stevens today to uncover
some of the hidden dangers lurking in our homes, from
EMS to.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
RF radiation to mold VOCs.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
We dive deep into the science and practical steps you
can take to create a healthier living environment, and then
we get in towards the end if you get through
the metior part and he goes deep. He goes really
deep into this topic, which I think is great. I've
also kind of asked him not to go over the
top as far as you know, he's an engineer and can.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Talk forever on this stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
But I give you of the basics that will give
you an education on why these things are good and bad,
how they affect human health, and then simple strategies you
can do to either eliminate or mitigate some of those issues.
And for those of you building homes, I think it's
important to know that there are some tips that are
actually cheaper, so everyone's ears perked up. No one wants

(01:21):
to spend a bunch of extra money on something they
feel like they can't market or get more money for,
which I think is going to change significantly with the
health of you know, most of the population seemingly declining.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
But some of the things we talk about are the differences.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Between emf's voltage, RF radiation and dirty electricity, how to
improve sleep, optimizing your bedroom and home setup, cutting edge
technologies for cleaner air and water, and then tips for
creating a low EMF workspace in your home office specifically,
and this is hugely important because you can be just
working in an office that's really just draining you, not

(01:55):
from a longevity perspective, but just your energy.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Both physical and mental.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
So whether you're a real estate professional, simply someone who
cares about human health, or if you're a human being,
you're gonna love this episode. So stay tuned and let's
dive in. Hey bo, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
And I'm doing good, Rod, how you dood?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I'm good. I'm excited to have this call on this podcast.
I really appreciate taking time and this is something that's
been on my mind and I'll just tell the story
for everybody that you know. We made some adjustments to
my own room and sleeping environment and made major changes
for my wife and myself. And so anyway, I got
Bo Stevens on. His company is the Stevens Consulting Group

(02:34):
Healthy Building, So SCG Healthy Building dot com is where
you can find them. And we're going to probably break
this up into a couple couple podcasts, so stay tuned
for number two. But this one we're going to talk
about basically some of the hidden danger is inside I
mean pretty much every home. I mean you could tell
us if you think it's in every home, but we

(02:55):
will get into that here in a minute. But what
I thought i'd start with Bo, why don't you just
give us kind of a quick snapshot in your background.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
So I was environmental kind of manufacturing industrial engineer my
first job, and in that job I was exposed to
prototyping and development and building materials were part of it,
as well as all kinds of different magnetic and voltage
fields in the lab, and I became real sensitive and
we've built a brand new building almost immediately to the

(03:24):
from aldehyds, the VOCs, the magnetics being encased in this
in this building. And so from there and having a
building background, I started, you know, a life of being
interested in why was my system and other people's systems
affected by all these unknown toxins. So that's kind of
where it all started in my early twenties. And you know,
as a as a career as an engineer in the

(03:46):
environmental field, I developed some technology and while we were
developing that, we were learning and exposing ourselves because we
were doing in a lab with electronics, and there were
electrical engineers in these labs, and I would be real
sensitive to when cell phones came out and then subsequently
smartphones and as well as the materials. And I was

(04:07):
a normal, healthy, athletic person, and so I was talking
to these engineers and they would be explaining to me
why systems were grounding, why they grounded buildings. And so
my initial exposure to what would be the future of
being considered toxic building was based on health and based
on my own industry as a young engineer, and slowly

(04:29):
over the years I developed techniques and philosophies and made
lots of mistakes, had lots of failures, tried lots of
different products, and learned, you know, over forty years of
kind of you know, what is it in our homes
that are making us sick? How is it doing it?
And you know what can we do to identify it?
And I did it for myself first, and then I

(04:50):
started building houses, doing it that way for myself first,
and now you know, helping other people do it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Now I can imagine, you know, when it's affecting your
own health, Yeah, you get pretty motivated on figuring it out.
Gives you a perspective absolutely, So before we all try
not to be questioning every single thing you say, but
just from an what are VOCs?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I've heard that term. Everyone's probably heard that term. What
is that?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
It's a great question. So volatile organic compounds and and
then part of those, the most important part for us
in a home is from aldehyde. And everybody knows from
aldehyde from maybe they were in high school, they're in
a biology class, and you know, it's what hurts you.
And when you embombing, fluid is pure from aldehyde. But
from aldehyde's put in as a preservative in almost every

(05:37):
chemical and it off gases, and that off gas is
a massive neurotox into our brain, which and nowadays everybody knows, oh,
you know, it's got a outgas, it's got a off gas,
and you know, you know, what's that new car smell?
And what's my new paint smell. So it's not uncommon now,
but forty fifty years ago, people didn't even know it
was harmful. And if you're smelling it, it's really harmful
because idye doesn't have its own smell. The smell, what

(05:59):
you're smelling is the oxidation, the oxygen in the air
attacking it and creating that smell while it's trying to
get rid of it. So so anyway, that's it. And
just to be real quick, there's like zero VOC paints
and zero FIEOC products. And you know, in our country,
there's a list, you know, a mile long of all
different volna organic compounds. And I had to learn that

(06:21):
that list doesn't exist on those zero VOC products. In
most cases, they are just what the government regulated as
okay to call zero VOC, even though there's maybe fifty
other ones that you can make it with they're just
as toxic.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Right, Okay, everyone kind of buckle up a little bit.
We're gonna do a little bit of an education here,
I think. And okay, so talk to us about, you
know the difference between EMFs, voltage r radiation and just
I guess dirty electricity.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
We'll start, but just you know.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
What, Yeah, that are those and yeah, and then we'll
get into kind of how they affect human health.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Okay. Electromagnetic fields are EMFs, okay, and the AM is
for magnetic and to simplify it, when something runs like
a fan. I'll just try to keep my explanations. So
everything that we know, instead of going into some engineering speak,
magnetics use motors that typically have friction in that friction
with electricity creates a field very closely to the product,

(07:15):
to the you know, piece of equipment that is an EMF.
Electromagnetic field is what it's creating. It's kind of what
it puts off, and that field is dangerous. And one
component to.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Us is that pretty much every motor, everything that.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Every single motor, every refridger near every motor, every fan.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
To elect to product which I give you brush yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, yeah, So the more watts the more power that's
controlling that motor, the bigger the field. Does that make sense?
So electric toothbrust has very small magnetic field. But a
hair dryer is a thousand watts. I mean that's a
that you know, a hair dryer is you know everybody
has plugged their hair dry and overheated their hair or whatever,
maybe not everybody, but and blown out the fuse. Well
it's a twenty amp fuse. So that's a lot of
power in your hand blowing. You know where a toothbrush

(07:57):
is like an amp, right, So it has so that's
electromagnetic field. So that's one electricity or voltage is current,
So that's absolutely you know, if we touch a car
battery that's twelve volt, it's going to elect You're gonna
get a shock, a major shock, and I mean one
that would put you down. So a house has one
hundred and ten volts, so that current running through the house,

(08:17):
that's just the same thing, only it's almost it's ten times.
It's a lot. So electricity affects us differently than magnetics.
They are a different towort of field. Then you have
regional frequency or Wi Fi, and that is what regional
frequency is how it's rare video waves. It's what's already
natural in the natural frequency in our environment. They just
exist in a radio station. They push the power with

(08:39):
wattage through Like let's say you have your favorite station
as ninety eight point six it's hard rock station or whatever,
and you want to listen to it. You can't listen
to it out of your town because the wattage in
that station only goes so far. But it's pushing that
frequency or that signal through that frequency so that your
car can pick it up on an antenna. So microwave
cell phones are the exact same style. They've worked through

(09:01):
regional frequency, except regional frequency for Wi Fi happens to
be the exact same hurts frequency as a microwave. And
we all know nobody's going to stand in front of
their microwave while it's running. Why they don't know why
it's not heating them, but they don't know why. But
it's the same exact forty seven hundred and eighty five
hertz is a Wi Fi frequency. So it just happens
that your microwave is running on one thousand watts. That's

(09:23):
how it generates heat. And the one that's coming in
through your cell phone signal is you know, like half
a what but the microwave you wouldn't stand in front
of it for twenty four hours, right, it would kill
you in an hour. But do you really want a
regional frequency running in your house three hundred different times
the three your different ways, twenty four hours a day,
just just perking you on the shoulder or on the chest,

(09:44):
or on the brain, mostly just waking you constantly. So
that's regional frequency during the electricity is the electric so
are in the United States, we have romex wiring plastic
in case twiry, vityl in case wiry. In commercial buildings
they have conduit based wiring. They do that for fire
because if that wire, you know, because theF rat eats
the wire. They're in a vinyl building or you know

(10:05):
vinyl romex, it's gouna cause fire. It could cause a fire.
So that's their protection mechanism because they want commercial buildings
that last forever. Right offshoot of that is that that's
shielding one hundred percent of the power within the aluminum
or steel shielding that that goes so there's no voltage leaking. Well,
we have one hundred and ten volts running through our
romex and it's not shielded or entrapped in that vinyl casing.

(10:26):
Some leaks, lots of it leaked, ten to twenty volts leak,
So you don't want to be close to that wiring.
So if you have in most of the United States homes,
if you're in a tract home, you share power with
your neighbor, and that power comes from the street from
the electric company, and it goes to their house in
your house, but there is no mechanism for their power
not to come to your house. And if they have
a pool motor running in the middle of the night,

(10:47):
that is going to feed back to the system, and
some of it will come through your system. And it's
measured like by you can measure it with an AM radio,
but it's basically a frequency. But it's basically dirty noise.
It's noise. It's harmonics, And so harmonics are different than
electricity because it's sound and has a different expectation to
our nervous system as a magnetic field. They're all different,

(11:07):
but those are equally as dangerous. So hardly anybody talks
about it. Easy to take care of, but very, very
dangerous because in the forties and fifties and sixties when
they first started building pools and track tomes, they would
routinely put the pool motor right next to the master
bedroom or other bedroom, literally on the wall. People are
sleeping with their headboard there. And I've measured twenty to
thirty volts on people's bodies while they're sleeping in a

(11:29):
body voltage meter and I'll explain that later, but I mean,
they're sleeping in three car batteries. Wow, like their body
and they haven't slept in two years, and wonder why.
Heavy neurologic conditions like you know, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's at
early stage and you wonder why. Right, So different types
of potential that we're talking.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
About, got it?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay, So let's talk about how do they affect human health?
Like what is the system?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
What you know? Are is it all different depending on
the y Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
But so for the purpose of this phone call and
just for helping people, the way I can explain is
all four of those are still their radiation. That's what
they are. The magnetic field, dirty electricity, regional frequency, it's radiation,
same with voltage. That's what it does. It radiates. So
there are different health effects that have been associated to
both on studies, and there's just as much studies to show. Well,

(12:18):
they can't prove this, but what the studies do show
is that it exists and it either exacerbates it. They
may not be able to prove the origin of why
some children at an early age are affected more, but
they do know that children have thinner brain walls until
they're adults. That is a fact. Your brain walls is thinner.
Therefore they are more sensitive cell phone signals.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'm afraid, yeah, I'm afraid to ask what that even
what the results of that are penetration I me know,
but it's like you see every kid on a cell phone,
on an iPad, on a Webay.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Look in the studies now in Europe and in Asia
and in thorough countries. We don't have them in the US.
They don't allow them, but I mean I can show them.
There's a physicians for electronic health in the whole world.
It's like it's the size of a un It has
literally millions of physicians that are medical doctors feeding into
this source and you can see it. There's hardly any
the United States, and they're all over the world. Every
country and so there's studies been done for thirty years.

(13:09):
It's their factual studies. But the cellar, the thickness of
the child's wall is a shield, it's a bone. It's
just like a wall in your house. And so the
thicker that is, the more preventative it is for the
signal to come in. It's like factually easy to understand that.
So children are more susceptible. It's a fact. They've proven it.
They've tested it now because we've had these for twenty
five years. So there's studies showing that. So you're talking, yes,

(13:33):
you're talking developmental disorders. You're talking that autistic related you're
talking just depress it. You know, it affects your dopamine levels,
your nonifferent levels, your epernefferent levels. They have studies to
show that it affects these things. So if you're affecting
those things, well, those are what governing your mood. Right,
So even if they can't prove origin yet, who cares.

(13:53):
In my mind, it's exacerbating your condition. So let's just
talk about sleep for a second. So you're going to
sleep and the idea of sleep, and I've worked under
building biologists and I've worked under really really new age
or let's say cutting edge physicians and medical doctors, and
that's who I work for most of the time. So
a lot of this information has just experienced from their
speaking and from their practice, but also myself. But you're

(14:13):
trying to go to sleep, and your body wants to
go into rest and digest. It wants to shut off serotonin,
produce melatonin, which requires darkness, and it wants to relax
so it can repair. That's it. It's pretty simple. We
just go to sleep and we don't produce corsol. We
don't because that is your excitation. You wake up with corsol. Hey,
I have adrenaline. Let's go start the day. Well, now

(14:33):
you're getting all these different signals and they're pinging you
every two seconds or whatever. Whether you have an electric
blanket in your bed, or voltage running from your wall,
or a motor running right next to your head, or
Wi Fi left on all night, or however you want,
you have literally dozens of signals that are not their excitation,
so they're exciting you. Well, you don't want to be
excited when you sleep. So that's how I explain it
to people. You want to rest and your brain can't

(14:55):
rest while it's being poked and jingled and deemed with
all this voltage.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
So it's more than just the EMF is, which which is
what I thought.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
And I know you and I've talked, you know, even
years ago about you know, we measured one of my kids.
He was basically his bed, his headboard was on the
other side of the electrical panel, and he measured on
both sides of the room and it was like the
thing was like off the charts. Obviously we moved the bed,
but even brief Yeah, before that experience, I just thought
it was EMF.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
So I thought that was kind of a culprit.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
But it's basically, it's electricity, it's motors, it's it's all
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, it's interesting that you say that, because you're absolutely right.
But EMFs are in the news, right, And I always
sit there and I and I and I was watching
podcasts for a while listening to what these famous people
on the world, and I'm just like, they keep saying
EMF and I'm like, so an EMF is the least
of your problems, because an EMF is logarithmic six feet
from the source. It's gone, it's logrythmic, it goes down fast.

(15:48):
So as long as you're not on top of the motor,
nobody needs to get rid of the refrigerator. They don't
need to get rid of their pool motor. They just
need to be location sensitive to where they're spending their time.
So I don't I mean, if I find an EMF
problem in the house where somebody's sleeping, or somebody's working,
or somebody's you know, watching TV or reading or cooking,
I fix that because that's an exacerbated problem. That's something's malfunctioning,

(16:09):
or you have a you have a ground issue in
your house. So that's what's so funny. All the words
are amfs, when really the problem is radiation from RF,
that signal from the regional frequency from our Wi fis
and our cell phones and our smart meters and the
voltage it's coming through your body. So here's an example.
Everybody almost in the world has lamps next to their
bed that have two prong chords. Well, a two prong

(16:29):
chord does not have a ground. There are studies, there
were studies done, so houses were built without ground well
into the fifties, some sixties, okay, and cancer rates so
you can look these up. They're all documented on this.
On the AMA cancer rates were going high. And by
the way, cancer is really inflammation. Let's just talk about inflammation,
which is you're exciting your body when it wants to rest.
It's inflaming it, it's responding and it's swelling and inflaming,

(16:52):
which is everybody knows inflammation is not a good thing.
It's a bad thing. Answer is inflammation it is a
tumor that is growing. Lay. So then they started grinding
houses and in the sixties and seventies you can see
the numbers, it like it dropped straight down. And then
cell phones came out and they have studies to show,
I mean, they've been tracking this. There's all this data

(17:12):
that you can see that once they went to smartphones,
these the incidences of depression and sleep disorders just skyrocketed.
Because what happened was it was kind of like back
before we were living in just a voltage problem. We
had no ground store house. So all that one ten
vault that was coming through the house, it was going
through our bodies. It wasn't going to ground, which literally
means dirt. So once they started grounding houses, people got

(17:34):
to reprieve because we didn't have cell phones, we'd have
smart readers, we didn't have anything. We have computers. It's
like camping in your house now, right there was when
they go camping, they sleep on a rock for four hours.
They wake up with the back ache and they feel
great because there's no electricity and there's clean air. So
right right, sole two prong cord that's on those lamps.
I mean, you know you. I just spoke to your

(17:54):
wife Holly about that, right, It's like she thought, she goes, oh,
I'm sure there're three, and I'm like, I've never seen one.
But the problem with this is that in a laye,
unlike any other appliants that you have, the power is
coming live from the wall through that cord to the lamp.
Because the lamp is hot, right, you have a switch. Well,
that cord happens to come right behind your head in
your bed because they all go into the into the
outlet that's right next to your bed or right behind
your bed, and that cord is leaking one hundred and

(18:14):
ten volts all the way because it's not shielded and
it's not grounded, has no place to go. And I
typically for every lamp that's next to a bed. I
will measure a vault on a person. So if there's
two lamps, I'll measure two volts. If there's one, roughly,
so that's one vault that you're sleeping in. A volt
of electricity that's a lot. I mean, that's a volt
that's one twelfth of a car battery. You might say, oh, well,
that won't electrocute you. Well, I don't know, but I
don't want my body having that. It's waking me up.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, and it's the death by a thousand cuts scenario.
It's like it's not that one time it's going to
hit you. It's like it's constant. And that's the Wes's
what we're talking about in these environments that we're in,
whether it's your office, your bedroom, Well, your bedroom is
you know, a third of your life and then you've
got you know, these other areas that you're in. And
I think it's looking at ways to mitigate that and

(18:56):
back to the if you reduce the number of cuts
that you're getting every day, I mean, you gotta think
you're going to be healthier overall.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, absrlutly right. I mean it's like you poke somebody
in the chest. You know, you know, lightly ten times
it doesn't hurt, but you do it a thousand times
they got to bruise, right, Yeah, it's permanent for a while.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Let me transition to let's go you started to kind
of touch on solutions with the light.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
But let's go back and talk about health conditions.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
If someone's listening to this and saying, you know, I
guess you had mentioned cancer, I mean, is it just
across the board if you're having any kind of health
related issue, it could be attributed to this or they're
kind of a top ten list or a top you
know few that if you're having issues with sleep, you know,
your thyroid, digestion, cancer, brain, you know, mental acuity, that

(19:39):
type of stuff. Is it all affected by this? Okay
for those who are joining us, you'll see a little
different visual for for both. We had some technical difficulties
and we're back at it. So let's let's go back
to the health conditions. What are kind of some of
the main health conditions that are affected by so.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Sleep disorders is probably the number one thing that's probably
on most people that you know, that's on most people's minds.
So and the way that it affects sleep is through excitation.
So you're trying to relax when you go to sleep,
and your durnals want to be off and you don't
want to be producing cortosol. And for example, if you
take RF radiation, so for Wi FI, you're talking about
exciting the levels of neurotransmitters that govern the melatonin production.

(20:23):
So if you're producing cortosol, you're not producing melatonin. And
so it's simple as that. So you're trying to relax
and you're having these signals come in and your body
is disrupted. And the way it disrupted so there's ionizing
and non ionizing radiation. So an X ray is ionizing.
So that's why I can damage you because it actually
removes molecule. I mean it removes electron. Well, non izing radiation.

(20:45):
Radiation is like a microwave or Wi Fi signal. They
are the same different power, but instead of removing the electron,
which is permanent damage, it smacks more around so they're
not stable anymore. So they're moving excited. Well you can't
you know, I mean not to make a really crazy analogy,
but you know that's how you build a nuclear ball.
You excite the molecules until the atoms run into each
other and then they combust in plutonium. Right, So it

(21:08):
just imagine your system being excited and the molecules trying
to be at rest, and now they're moving all around
and they're disoriented, and they're also not in the same
place that they normally are to make that production. So
it disrupts your sleep, and it disrupts your pattern for sleep.
And the magnetic fields and the voltage simply cause inflammation.
They cause your body to inflame, to the tissues to

(21:30):
swell again through excitation. That's what the voltage does. So
when you want to wake somebody up past out and
they're having a heart attack, you use voltage to slam
into their heart to wake them up. That's heavy voltage,
but even light voltage excites you. So that's your sleep.
So if you just govern your sleep, which is where
you're supposed to rest, digest, and repair, you can't repair

(21:50):
when you're not resting, because that's what happens. The body
goes through its circadian rhythms and it repairs this gland
and a couple of other literal repairs that it's got
a system to do. That's factual, that biological physics. So
if you disrupt that pattern, it doesn't go through those motions,
won't get your reparation. You end up having just a delay.
And so often people with voltage issues will either oversleep

(22:11):
voltage radiation magnetic fields do either oversleep because their body
needs extra rests or they'll wake up in the middle
of that I can't go back to sleep because now their
circadian rhythm is off. So that's sleep and with that
effects if you don't have proper sleep in that method
is now you're talking about your neurotransmitter protection, your dopamine,
your neuropeneferent and your neurotransmitters that govern your mood. So
I think those are the two big areas that people

(22:33):
can really relate to. I need my sleep and my rest.
So you'll wake up fatigue or you'll be more prone
to imminological issues because your body is not repairing. So
now your system is agitated to where it didn't get
the proper rest.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, the good news is, I don't think we have
to really convince anyone that sleep is important, and I
think everyone understands the effects on the human body related
to information. We're always trying to, you know, reduce inflammation.
So if it's you know, exciting those two things, then
it's it's definitely not good now. And I would expect
that those two things are going to basically relate to

(23:06):
in pretty much any ailment you can, you can have
any illness, any ailment, any disease is going to be
somehow kind of related to this.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Well, look at it this way. You have a cold
and you don't rest, and you go to work and
you work at twelve hour day and you're understressed because
your boss is yelling at you all day long. Do
you think you're going to get better from the cold
or worse? So you can just look at that so exactly. Yeah,
I mean, I just I'm practical, and so I think
it exacerbates everything. So it's not all about electricity, all
about toxins that we're breathing, all about water that we're drinking.
But it certainly doesn't help if you're drinking a bad

(23:36):
water source, if you're smelling you know, really bad air,
and you're in an environment of electromagnetic field and voltage
field and radiation fields that are exciting your body when
it needs to rep Okay, so let's maybe transition.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Before I kept saying we're going to get into some
of the solutions and strategies and maybe products.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
But you just brought up air and water, So what
about air and water in the home.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Let's talk about air because air is way more complicated.
Water is one thing. Air, So in air you have
to split up into bad air bad air type. So
I'm gonna all split it up real quickly, the air
quality that we breathe. That's how we know pure oxygen.
Like I gave the reference to the camping story, if
you're living in smog and you're living in bad air,
then your body can't detox. And now you have more

(24:18):
to detox because you have bad chemicals going through your
liver and it can overload your liver. So everybody understands
the concept of having fresh air feels good and we
need that fresh oxygen. Well, mold is the other side
of that. So mold is dangerous for two reasons. When
it's wet, it gives off ammonia, and that ammonia is
a neurotox and it can permally affect your brain. But
when it's dry, you can inhale it, and when you

(24:39):
inhale it, it's in your lungs, and now it's really
because it'll do damage, a permanent dam. So when I
think about air, I think about mold is really a
really big factor because building materials that we use commonly
are part of the problem. Because moisture exists. People close
up their house and air conditioning and they're breathing recirculated air,
not fresh air. Most of the air systems and houses

(25:00):
for AC systems up until just a few years ago,
even in California, didn't even require any fresh air input.
It's nuts. So, you know, there there's lots of studies
during COVID, not to bring up, you know, a crazy subject,
but where people went in nursings home to close up
the nursing home and one hundred and scent of the
people die and then the CD that's you know, the CMC.
Later they ven said oh no, no, now go outside. Well,

(25:20):
when they were inside, they were breathing each other's air.
I mean, everybody knows when you're in a room or
you're on an airplane or something and everybody's sick, it's
easier to get sick. So if you're in your own
home and you're not oxygenating and you have bad air,
and the bad air can be new furniture that has
from all the heights of VOCs that have an off
gas and you're breathing it through your liver. That slows
down your liver's ability to detox and you can get
sick just because the body can't fight an illness if

(25:42):
it's got a dirty system of excretion and methylation. And
that's how we get rid of toxin. So you have that,
and then you have mold on top of that that's
in your house and your bathrooms, in your kitchen, and
oftentimes the building materials do not help that system. They
just they'll either properly kill the mold or they'll dry
the mold out and then it gets in the air

(26:04):
and then it filtrates through the house in your HVAC system.
So air is huge. What we're breathing is how we methylate,
is how we get rid of toxins. That's why we exercise.
You know, we go outside and if you're caught inside
and the air that you're breathing is bad, that's tough.
And that's like I said, two fold. There's mold, there's
dirty air, and then there's polluted air from like toxin.

(26:26):
Water is simple. Water is simple. We have water that
has parasites and bacteria in it from streams, and so
they have to sanitize it sterilize it. Well, they use chlorine,
and the chlorine is not off gas completely, so you're
drinking chlorinated water. In southern California, they actually use ammonia
with the chlorine. They use chloromine. Well, ammonia is way

(26:48):
worse than chlorine. I mean, you look it up on
the periodic chart. It's way up there, is dangerous, and
there is no way to filtrate ammonia's very easily. It's
a massive system. In fact, they've worked with the guy
who's developed the system in the Midwest. Problem with when
you get that big of a filter in a house
is that you end up getting mold in the filter
because there's no place where the bacteria to go because
you're not changing your filter off of thent SO chlorines chlorine.

(27:10):
How we sanitize our water, big deal. We're showering it
and our glands. Our skin is our biggest glan goes
right through the pores into our bloodstream and into our liver.
So water not just the water we drink, but the
water we bathe. It is a really key factor. So
you got water, air, magnetic electrical fields, and radiation. Those
are in air. Like I said, it's toxics. It a

(27:32):
whole bitch of different. So those are your three.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Well, if I've heard that about the skin being the
largest organ being kind of an intake for the water,
I was hoping that was not accurate and that we
really just had to focus on, you know, what we're drinking.
But you're saying, I mean, it's basically both. If you're
dealing with one, you're not completely eliminating the issue.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
You're not, and the drinking one is really really important.
And I've worked hard on developing a system in a
house that's not crazy expensive and not overly having to
be serviceable. Because to do use reverse hospitals is which
is what we commonly use, we waste a lot of water.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
That's actually, sorry to interrupt, let's jump into that. Let's
go into solutions. Since we're talking about water, why don't
you give us an idea of kind of what is
a minimum recommendation and then what's kind of more closer
to the ideal recommendation. Because everyone's got you know, various budgets,
they've got existing environments whatever, you know, there's going to
be I'm sure that, and we talked about.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
It earlier when we weren't recording.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Like some of these fixes, especially when you're building a house,
it's like it's it's peanuts, you know, you spend The
example that that bou shared with me earlier was on
a you know, one point five to one point six build.
I mean we're talking about, like, you know, twenty thousand
dollars in improvements too. I don't know if it would
be eliminate, but dramatically reduce a lot of this stuff
in the home.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Oh no, you can build a house. I mean, you
can build a house with literally you know, you're move
in with zero toxicity zero VEO C real real zero
voc zero from aldehyde, you know, I mean magnetic fields
that are zero voltage, that is zero. The Wi Fi
radiation you can you know, mitigate that by proper usage.
So if you can build those houses in the twenty

(29:00):
or whatever you're going to spend, which is let's say
it's let's say it's two percent, that's probably pretty close ish.
But you're in labor and materials. You're just talking about
changing the material, you know, just using a smarter material,
that's it, or just think of it. And maybe it's
a little bit of labor for a couple of the materials,
but most of it it's not. So yeah, that's when
you're doing a bill. But even in remodeling, which is
more common for people to have to remodel mold or

(29:22):
just you know, they're adding a room, or they're adding things,
or they're redoing their house. Those simple solutions. There are
simple solutions to be able to get through it. And
it's choosing or for talking about that, it's it's choosing
products that are not not just labeled zero BAC or
grain because grain means environmentally safe, does not mean non talk.
I mean, I'll give you an example term. My companies
use orange oil. That is environmental. That's that that is

(29:45):
you know that that is a solvent that is from oranges.
It is highly toxic to many people, highly toxic breathing. Wow,
it is a prevalent solvent. So it's just like choosing
the right things for your health doesn't always have to
be cost and more costly at all, right, just that
knowledgeable to do that. And so I've developed some systems
when we're getting rid of the mold, and like companies

(30:05):
will come in and they'll get rid of the mold
and they'll putting the wrong materials again. So because they
just want to they just want to get paid to
get rid of the mold and then do the reparation.
But another water leak or more moisture or improper HVAC usage,
and five years later it's moldy again, or one month
later or a year later, if they have a water
leak and they got to tear it all out, and
there's ways to put in the materials that don't even

(30:26):
cost more that if that happens again, that it's prevented it.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Okay, let's start with water. What would you recommend for water?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, I'm gonna I mean, I typically don't like spout
companies because a I'm not on the aerall of inity companies,
but I just I'm happy to share products. There's a
gentleman in the Midwest by the name of the company
called Cousin c u z N and a biologist and
was real sensitive to the concept of replacing a water
filter and having to throw it away in six months

(30:53):
because they would hold and so he generated he is
zinc really zinc oxide something we need in our system
every day anyway, we never get enough of and that
think allows his water systems in chlorine only water systems
to allow us for five years without bowl. So you're
talking about one hundred and fifty dollars water filter that
you can plumb into your sink underneath just the water
fielder doesn't waste any water and instead of every six months,

(31:16):
every five years in some of the California, and he
developed the chlorine filter, it's twice as big because you
need twice the media and that would last two and
a half years. Whole house systems cost you know, I
mean the system itself costs five or six hundred bucks.
They're not expensive, and so there are so that's I
recommend It's company because the ones I've used in California,
I tested them and they don't work. So he's the

(31:37):
only one that I found that that really has a
cost effective, efficient system where you can install yourself or
have a local plumber do it very easily and not
have And he also has a reverse osmosystem for those
like you and IROD that like, you know, we want
we want our water to be state of the art
and we want it to have you know, the right
pH level and the right minerals and I'm inspelling one
for my son next week, so same type of thing.

(32:00):
So that's what I recommend for water, and I recommend
their whole house system or their shower filters, which also
don't have to be changed every six months. But shower
filters are easy. They can typically do chlorine. Chlorine is
another thing. So you know, there's different things for different budgets.
You know, they range from one hundred and fifty sixty
bucks for the UNDERSYNCD one that's not ro too, you know,

(32:22):
probably with a plumber, you know, probably eight or nine
one hundred dollars to do a whole house system.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Great, okay, so that's water. That's kind of it seems
like a no brainer. I mean, the cost, it's so important.
In fact, you got me thinking about even the you know,
the showers and stuff. It's not just the drinking system,
which you know so many people focus on. But if
you're not doing the other you're kind of you're kind
of missing it. So let's talk about air. What do
you recommend for air?

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay? So air, whatever problems is that we use four
stair systems most commonly, and they're very efficient, but they
move air around at a high rate, and so it
increases your aspiration level. So people with allergies typically do
not do well. You can look that up pretty With
an HVAC system, one, they have to close their house up,
seal it up. If you ever open it up, war
crap comes in and then you're blowing it around because

(33:08):
it's the vacuum is in the system, right, So I
don't love HVAC system In the event that you have one,
then you know that you have to control mold in
the filters, You have to control mold inside the system,
and you have to control your breathing rate. So I
can work with those systems. Typically they have to be cleaned.
If there's mold in the system, it does proliferate the mold.

(33:30):
That's why I don't like them. Outside of HVAC systems,
there are houses that I built with radiant system radiant
heaters and input infused AC systems that they have to
have AC so meeting they're pulling in outside oxygen, right,
so they're getting you're getting fresh air, but and so
between because between hot you know, between summer and winter,
you have condensation issues because you go from hot to

(33:52):
cold in there. And so I really recommend people, you know,
clean their ducks every year with a hepercleaner, you know,
every single year between seeing that they incorporate UV light
in their systems if it's done properly, or some type
of air scrubber in their system if they have a
lot of junk, but.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
It was an air scrubber.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
An air scrubber is something you can install in the
system that has a filter that literally takes it down
to point out three microns, So it scrubs the air
that comes into the system so that you don't really
have to you know, I mean, it really cleans it,
so instead of killing it, it just takes all the
stuff out as it's coming in. It's like a maximum
filtration system. It's what we use in how we do

(34:31):
mol remediation. You've scrubbed the air, so it's just constantly
taking the air and then it goes to a scrubber
literally clicked through a scrubber like this, and then it
just takes all the particles out to point out three microns,
which is smaller than a Molti particle molecule, and then
it goes through cleaner air. But in the event that
you can live without if you don't have an HVAC
and you have other types of heating systems. I do recommend,

(34:51):
you know, room air cleaners. You know, I like the
lavoid system because you know, think about these people putting
these big, massive air clane systems. They put it in
the middle of their living room or the middle of
their bedroom. First of all, they have massive magnetic fields
because they have a big motor, and they don't they're
not efficient. I mean, how do you filter your house
with doors closed in hallways and bathrooms. It doesn't work

(35:12):
well in my opinion. It's too much of a motor
and it's wasting energy. So I those energy is huge, yeah,
and then you got a magnetic field, so you I
like smaller and the filters are a tenth the cost.
You know, they you put them in each room, they
overlap and you can create a really clean air. And
I always tell my clients, I don't care where you're living.
You crack your air. You crack your windows, just a

(35:34):
slight crack because you want fresh air coming in. If
you live in a polluted environment, then unfortunately you're going
to have to close your house up and seal it.
And that's a whole different discussion, right, because we need
fresh air to survive.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
The air pure fires per room, and that's the recommendation, right, versus.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Having smaller air pure fire because it's they don't work
well around corners and you know, like they're not really
working when you have hallways and cars and closets.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
And do you have a product or a brand you like.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I like the LaVoi lavod Okay, yeah, I like the
Lovoi because they're inexpensive. The filter changes are very inexpensive,
and I've measured them and they have really low magnetic
fields and low voltage. Like the air doctors are really great.
But every time I measure people, I have to get
them out of their bedroom because they put off a
fairly large magnetic field because they're a big system. Yeah,

(36:23):
go ahead, Yeah, the Lavot is like a four hundred
square foot or at three fifty right, so it makes sense.
It's like a bedroom or an office or something. Right,
So it's a little bit bigger than your bedroom, but
you want it to be more filtration than you are.
But you know, those air doctors fifteen hundred and three
thousand feet, somebody puts it in their bedroom. I mean
it's like, doesn't make any sense to me, And.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I've always wondered about that with some of we've gotten
the bigger ones obviously to cover the house, but then
it's like it's in the family room.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
How's it getting in you know, every nook and cranny
of the house.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
And we'll get it, and not efficiently. It kind of is,
but not really efficiently, I don't think. And you have
to turn it up so high for it to do
it right.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Okay, let's talk about bold to radiation EMFs. What are
some of the recommendations there.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Okay, so EMFs you need a milligause meter to be
able to you know, be able to measure them. Building
biologists will throw things at me if if I say this,
but I like the Trifield meter. It's inexpensive, it's very accurate,
and I think it's accurate enough. I mean if you're
if it's off by you know, five or ten percent,
I could care less, because if you have a problem,
it will tell you.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
This is the recommendation. If you think you have an issue,
this is how to test well.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
If you don't have an issue, you could have a
Trifield meter and that means it measures X, Y and z.
You don't have to like turn the meter right, and
you can walk around your house slowly and you can
find if you have a magnetic field, you won't know it,
and you can. It'll isolate it, because if you do,
you're gonna have to call electrician unless you are one,
you know, like unless, but it will find Like if
your air doctor's in your bedroom, it's gonna show you

(37:49):
right away. Oh look, that's too close to your bed.
Move it over to here where it's not so close
to your bed, and I'll lie in your bed and
it'll be fine, you know what I mean. Like, it'll help.
It'll help you identify the problem and even fix it
on smaller things. But if you can't find something, they
can call me or we can call building biolers, so
you can call it electrician and they will. It will identify. Oh,

(38:10):
you know you have a ground fault issue, right, you
have a ground fault issue. You have something in your
house that's not wired properly, or it'll tell you, Hey,
I'm sitting too close to this motor right, that's the
MS voltage trick. Here. You need a body voltage meter.
So I'm going to tell you exactly how to do it.
And it is easy to do. But okay, so we
everybody's walked across carpet and shocked themselves, right, that's you.

(38:33):
That's not the carpet. It doesn't have any electricity in it.
That's our body. Our body has thousands of volts. By
the way, we are a voltage mechanism. So when we
are rubbing against the carpet, we are creating friction. That's
all we're doing against ourselves, our own magnetic field, our
own electrical field. So so we can ground ourselves because
we are an electrical conduit. So you take a you
take a multimeter, you put it on AC volts. It's

(38:56):
got a black and a and a red cord that
you stick on your bat right, measure your battery. But
you're not DC, you're doing AC. You take the black
and you can buy a six dollars cord that is
made that alligator clips to the black prow extension to
the pin at the end of the of the cord,
and you stick that into the ground of the of

(39:18):
your wall. It's got just a single thing. It'll be
a three prong but it'll only be going to ground.
So now the black, which just ground, is going to
the ground of your house, and you hold the red
prog on the metal part, not the plastic, and now
you are in the middle of the field and it
will measure the voltage that you're that's radiating through the
house onto your body. It's dead accurate.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yees you are.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
So you sit on your bed and I guarantee, well,
I mean, of course I can guarantee, but this is physics.
You put your foot on the floor, the voltage will
be lower than off off the bed. Why because your
floor had made If it's slab, it's got condo it
in it. What's that doing going to ground? Right, If
it's a foundation, you'll have insulation. Right, But if you
pick your feet off the floor, that's the true potential

(39:58):
of what you're doing when you're sleeping, right, get on
the floor. You're raised in a bed, right, so always
be worse put off the floor. But you can lay
in your bed that way, you can sit in your
office and you can find all kinds of voltage stuff.
And after that it's like, you know what is in
this house that's a two pronged thing that's near me.
There's all kinds of different things with voltans that can
cause it your digital clock that's sitting next to you.

(40:20):
You're charging your phone in your bedroom. Those transformers for
phone charges, they put off massive magnetic fields and huge
voltings because they're inverting the electricity from one to ten
down to twenty four volts because their cell phone cannot
take on a ten volt by the way, to blow up.
It's a mobile phone, so it inverts it. In that inversion,
you have all kinds of dirty electricity. You have all

(40:41):
kinds of lost potential that you're going to measure in
your body. So you don't in your bedroom. You get
that stuff out of there. You cannot be charging things
around your bed.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Well, you just.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Remind me to ask you about something which I completely forgot.
You were mentioning that the just because you have your phone.
I've had my phone on my bed well, by the way,
the two prong next to my bed.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
I had that.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
I had something I got from like Dave Aspre one
hundred years ago. But I thought was kind of solving
that problem. But and then I have been using my
cell phone for a long time in airplane mode, which
I thought was kind of solving the problem.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
And it sounds like it's not at all okay.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
So it is part of it. It's solving. So a
cell phone is a computer when because it has three
especially now right right, right, Well, it's also a phone,
but it has cellular data that comes from the satellite, right,
that's how you download. Also has Wi Fi, which you
have to be close to a Wi Fi loadom right
or router right, So you can't have Wi Fi while

(41:38):
you're walking down the street because you're not close to
a vat of a router.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
That's why you cell your data. And then you have Bluetooth,
which is another mechani. Right, those are three ways that
your phone gets data. Sound through bluetooth, right, and then data.
But when you're walking around talking, you do not need
to be surfing the internet. You don't need to be
on it. Maybe you do want to be on it
and you'll check something, but you are. That's three mechanisms

(42:02):
that are touching your body that are pulling in massive radiation.
That your cell phone is an antenna, Your motive is
an antenna. Do you notice when you go turn on
your cell phone, you look at Wi Fi. There's thirty
signals there that you could if you had the dang passwords. Right.
That's it's pulling in thirty different fields into your phone
that's into your hand, and then happens all night long,

(42:22):
all night long, your motive and your cell phone to
every cell phone in your house, and every motive in
your house. I mean add that up. That's probably one
hundred and fifty signals coming in, all those potential not
just one signal, but all of them. It's an antenna.
So you're holding a lightning rod and that's.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
What you're doing.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, you put airplay mode. You have knocked that out,
but your phone won't work as a telephone anymore. So
you can leave it off airplay mode and turn all
those things off. Lit'sten. You're expecting a call from your child, right, But.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
If it's plugged in, if it's plugged into electricity and
it's in airplane mode, have you solved most of the problem?
Is that like a kind of a minimum recknation for
someone who's got a phone next to their you know, headboard.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
No, you can't know because the transformer and that wire
is leaking one hundred and ten volts. So you've solved
the Wi Fi problem, you haven't solved the voltage problem
or the magnetic field problem. That transformer is right there.
It's just like the two prong corda in your It's
worse than the two prong corda in your land because
that transformer is leaking electricity and it has a magnetic field,

(43:24):
and that wire is not shielded, and it's right by
your head, so it's running right next to you. You
might as well be sleeping with it. So the airplane
mode also, that doesn't stop the radiation from the Wi
Fi signal problem that being a computer, it doesn't stop
the electricity or the magnetic field. Okay, so for people
is you know you can it still works as an alarm,
you know on airplane mode or those are the things
the phone. When you turn it on airplane mode, you

(43:46):
just turned it into everything on your phone works. You
can airplane mode. You can still access your email because
they're downloaded. You just can't get new because it's not
accessing the internet, it's not accessing the motive. But everything
on your phone function. You can do anything. You could
listen to download podcasts, you can listen to downloaded music.
So always tell people download anything you want to do
at night, if you want to read off it, if
that's what you want to do before you go to bed,

(44:08):
but don't use it as in your hand, especially when
you're trying to sleep.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Okay, so this is a little side note.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
What about when you're hiking, writing, walking exercise and you're
you have not downloaded it. I assume that's not good,
like a podcast or you know, music or whatever you're
you're saying you definitely want to download.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Oh my god, it's in your pocket. You're yes, that's
not that's not excellent, because you are you just went
on mute at the cell tower, right, You're also accessing
everything else that's in that phone and all the antenna
from all the other signals, and that's in your pocket.
So now you're carrying So yeah, yeah, that's a big
one for me.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I've done that for years.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
But but but I tell people this, thirty years ago,
those of us that have been alive that long thirty
years ago, you know, we didn't have these things, and
we had you know, something like an iPod, we had
it downloaded, or we had you know, a cassette and stuff.
And so it's really funny to me because I believe
that the more we get these conveniences, the more things
that we do in our life, and the more. We're

(45:08):
exacerbating our nervousness. We just do more, and tell what
I mean, how much can our bodies take. That's why
I think we have all this. It's not just magnetic
fields and just selectric evolsity of multi but we have
so many things going on in our brain. Our brain
can only handle so much. Sleep issues are also relegated
the fact that people are doing ten times more in
a day their body is capable of doing so. If

(45:29):
you have to take a little discipline and download your
podcast so you can walk in a healthy thing and
still enjoy it. Geez, that's not going back thirty years.
You didn't even have.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Them, right, No, that's an easy fac It's just it's
more just knowledge and understanding how this works.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Is work you know we're doing here?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm saying I understand, and
I try to I just try to say. I have
clients all the time that you know, have no knowledge
of this, and they've changed their lives and now they're
working out home on a computer and maybe they've been
in the field the whole time, and now they're really
really sick, and they're they call me and they're normally
I mean, they're in their fifties and their healthy, their
whole life, and they're like, why am I holding up
my cell phone to my ear now? And my whole

(46:05):
face is on fire? Like I've been using a cell
phone in twenty years. That I'm like, well, because all
the other things that you're doing that you aren't doing.
You're staring in a computer all day now, eight hours
a day. You're it's hooked up to electricity. You're charging
your computer while you're working on it instead of pulling
it off. It's a mobile, you know, keep it at
twelve volts? Why I have one hundred and ten volt?
You're doing all these things. You're working on the pad
instead of the keep art in the mouth, You're you're

(46:26):
not Ethernet connected. There's so many things that are actually
simple that cause very little money that can help you
be in a healthy environment.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
And I guess corded headsets, keeping the phone away from
your body or off your body, I mean those are
also you know, I think doctor McColo was talking about
this years ago.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Is that is that also a recommendation?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, corded headsets aren't good because that you need you
need air tube headsets that are still corded, but they
have to. So an air tube headset is literally there's
no electrical connection from the phone to the ear. It
sends it to I mean, how was how is sound invented?
I mean you know it is two cups and a wire, right,
That's how they vent the telephone. Right, They just screamed

(47:07):
through the cup and it went to a y you know,
to a string. That's how it sounds. So they have
air tube headset. You know what about it?

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Are there any earbuds that that you'd recommend or is
that just not a good thing to do?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Okay, I have to explain an earbud. So in order
for the earbuds to work, they have to send a
wireless signal, but they have to amplify the signal by
ten times, so they couldn't be anything. Now you can't,
well think about it. How is it getting sound?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
No, it makes sense, it makes total sense.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
But it doesn't just like throw it there. It has
to amplify, which is why cordals had telephones. When they
went to so they used to have nine hundred mega
hurts coord the telephone everybody could talk. Well, oh no, no,
we have to have a corlos telephone that works three
hundred feet from our station. So they made two point
three mega hurts, well, two point three megaherts to cell
phone cord. The telephones are just cancer in the brain

(47:55):
waiting to happen. That is a signal you just don't
want on your head, touching your head like that. So,
I mean I used to use that, and I'd use
an air two and head that on them, but I
just got away from them. Magnetic fields are awful any
type of you're amplifying a signal. They're increasing the signal,
that's the best way I can say it. And more radiation.
So yep, I use air tube headsets and I have

(48:17):
all my clients do it, and you carry it in
your pocket and you shut off all the Wi Fi
and all the data. So it's just the phone. Now.
You just have the phone as a battery and the
battery is twenty four volts. It's not that much. It's
not okay.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
So what about I guess getting back and maybe kind
of wrapping up on the Wi Fi for the house.
You talked about some of the voltage stuff and.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, yeah, so Wi Fi is really you know, I
try to keep this stuff, you know, like what can
you do and still live your life and enjoy your life?
So Wi Fi, you know, do we really need to have,
you know, a refrigerator in, a washer and dryer and
a dis warts as we can work cloth? I mean
you just got you know, do we have to have
an Alexa that we were too lazy to punch in
our phone and say, hey, I want to listen to
some Santana? I mean, do you have to have a

(48:59):
ring door bell that has cameras all the way around
their house because you don't want to hard wire it? Well,
that is putting you into a Faraday cage of electricity.
I have to take them out of every hole my
app because these people are.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Really smart smart basically smart home stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Smart stuff because it's just more wif fy, more signal,
more amplification. The key, though, is to reduce this stuff
to where you still can have a normal life and
use it all the time and have the convenience of
you know, seeing on your couch and working on your laptop.
But at night that stuff has to be off. So
a ten dollars mechanical timer that turns it off thirty
minutes after you go to bed and thirty minutes before

(49:33):
you go to bed automapple they don't have to touch it,
and those mechanical timers they don't. You don't want a
digital timer because that's more electricity that's put out radiation.
A mechanical timor has nothing. It just needs to be
three prongs that's to go to ground. You plug this
stuff in and it goes off and then it goes on.
You never know, and that way you're getting sleep that's undisturbed.
That's what I recommend to people. Make sure that your

(49:55):
sleeping environment is completely clean.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
So we've actually done that.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
For the lights that are on the night stands, those
are on timers now, so it was completely shut off.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
And then we did go back with your recommendations.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
We had done it, I don't know for probably six
or eight years, and then when we moved.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
We didn't I didn't have the Wi Fi on a timers.
So we've done that.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Those are just like you said, they're so easy, they're
so cheap. It's like, you know, a third of your
life is in bed in your bedroom trying to sleep,
so why not just not have the EMFs continually just
pounding on you.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
And it doesn't affect you at all. I mean other
than I mean, really you don't even know. And so
you know, other than.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Teenage kids want Wi Fi at midnight, so you may
have to you have to close that window a bit, you.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Close the window that It's true when you have little kids,
they well, I guess people have to make some decisions
on that kind of stuff because I really think that
we need some undisturbed time at night. I've seen it
in my practice with my clients and how much it
can effect. I mean, I have clients in their early
twenty that have worse problems with some of the people
in our fifties already because they're just tagging on a
cell phone their whole life and the graduate college and

(51:03):
they go to work and they stare at a computer
eight hours a day and they're they're migraine, can't play.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Look, it's it's actually scary when you see those kids that.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
And I've got friends unfortunately that you know, you're not
going to tell anyone how to raise their kid, but
every time you see their kid, they've kind of screen
in front of them.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I mean, like they don't even know what's in the
world that's around them. It's just it's not good.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
There's studies showing that that level of neurotransmitter disruption in
terms of dopamine increase, because that's what it is. It's
just the more dope, you know, they just they're they're
addicted to you know, the social media and stuff, and
that's just I really don't have an extreme opinion on this.
I mean, I don't try to do anybody and what
they're doing. I mean, I want everybody enjoy their life.
But that kind of exposure, you could understand why it

(51:44):
would make somebody like if they are like, can't get
away from the phone, that's a sign of some sort
of addiction, right, I mean we would all do the
same thing.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
That's a whole other thing.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you're just so you know, getting
back concept of geting your home as healthy as you can.
And there's I just believe that there's really simple solutions
and not really it doesn't break the bank, right, It's
some knowledge and that's what I that's what I want
to do with my book and what I'm trying to
do with helping people is just you know, be efficient.

(52:14):
There are efficient ways and cost effective ways to do this,
and I typically find like clients at the end of
it They're like, I don't even notice the difference other
than I feel better, but I don't notice different in
my lifestyle. Like actually I feel a little better because
I was just so agitated all the time. Right, So
that so I've kind of created some discipline in my
life again, and I feel like I took control over it.

(52:35):
In the fact that they're sleeping. It's awesome because then
now they have energy and they're not.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Tea exactly, energy, reduce the anxiety, depression. I mean, all
these things tend to tend to improve.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Right right, right, It's a whole feel good mentality. And
I think I don't think, like I said, my point is,
I don't think it has to be pain. I really don't.
I think there are solutions and I don't think it
has to be scary. But you know, it's just one
step back and was looking at the big picture and saying,
you know, what do I really need and what you know,
what improves my life style? And you know, and what

(53:10):
maybe is not improving it and more agitated it maybe
corraling you know, the workplay, you know, relaxation ratio.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Right, Well, this has been a little indulgent because I'm
very interested in this stuff in health and longevity and
all that. My audience is, for the most part, real
estate people. Optimize real Estate podcast. It's basically you know,
helping them optimize their business and and the whether it's
spec builders, fix and flippers, those are most of the
people that follow in real estate professionals.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
So you have an interesting.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Story on how you used all this to basically increase
the profits kind of maximize the sale of your own
you know, spec build. So I thought maybe it'd be
great to hear more about like what you did and
just kind of what the result was as far as
what you you know, expected to get and how the
sale went based on using all of these strategies in
building a home.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, it's interesting. I mean I've spent my life building,
but I'm not a builder. I mean I've done it
myself for homes that I lived in. Some of it
was spec almost all of it turned out to be
Spec one at a time. But I was able to
each house, learn about, you know, the different materials available
in the different solutions, and I made mistakes over thirty
five years of doing this, and I recently the last

(54:25):
couple of years built a house in Kawai and I
wanted to make it. I built a house in La
Gunaeguel first and made it completely non toxic and went, wow,
that wasn't expensive, you know, And then found new materials
that people don't just don't even understand and didn't know
that they existed, and made relationships, and then I tried
it in Kauai, which was difficult because I had to
ship a lot of the materials over there because it's

(54:46):
an island with you know, sand, that's all they have,
so they can do concrete, right, you got stamp, but
other than that, you can't. There's no wood, there's nothing.
And so I ended up building the only really non
toxic home over there that all. So I had no
magnetic field, and I incorporated everything that I could do
reasonably well over there. And the house sold in an hour,

(55:07):
in a day, and it sold to some doctors that
had little kids, and the reason that they bought the
house was because they were like, wow, we didn't think
this was possible here. And you know, I had thirty
five people come the first day and a bunch of
you know, a couple of offers, but they've paid full price,
so you know, I can't say I sold it for more,
but I didn't expect to sell it in an hour.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Well, you had mentioned first of all, okay, we're talking
about I think you said, was it hard costs were
about a million bucks.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Hard costs were about a million dollars, and it was
about fifteen to twenty thousand dollars. I'm being that's that's
over estimate. I'm just being fair because if I really
sat down and talked about it, I mean, the bigger
part of it was the electrical component because we wired
the house with mc cable, which shields all magnetic fields
and vaulted so I have no voltage. I mean my house.
I was sleeping in forty millivolts, which is better than camping.

(55:58):
I mean it was in side the house, outside the house.
This is and it was an open airhouse. But I
built it with a bunch of other things, like the
house will not mold. It stands up thirty inches. I have.
I designed an airflow system where the air comes underneath us.
The air there. The air came through the house up
and out through the roofs, and you'd walk in the
house and there was no temperature, like it was eighty
seven degrees outside and there was no temperature. You couldn't

(56:20):
feel hot or cool. You just well a little bit
of airflow coming through the house. So yeah, it was
you know, most of it was in the electrical because
the building materials themselves there. It really wasn't difficult. I mean,
I just used choices that I knew that I'd used before,
and you know, maybe the bathrooms. Me in my bathroom,
I'll tell you a story right before, right when we
plumbed the water the first day we had live water,

(56:43):
Like one of my carpenters was hanging cabinets with me
in the garage and I had to go get some materials,
so I let him go by himself. He calls me,
oh my god, I punched in the main water line
like we had just had full water. We were on
hoses for a year and a half right out there, right,
So we just plumbed the water line and he punctures
the main water line and it's flooding out right of

(57:04):
this brand new home.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Well, it happened to be on the outside of the
bathroom and I put wool insulation in the walls. Well, wool,
the hydroscopic cannot mold, and it's not like fiberglass, which well,
even like plastic, it will compensate in the whole moisture.
And then mold wool cannot it cannot grow. Yeah, you're
and you're saying wool wool as in rock wool. The wall,
but the inside walls were made of this product called

(57:27):
DNS Armer Plus which Georgia Pacific makes. I couldn't get
the magnesium oxide board, which I recommend over there, but
dnsarmer and plus is a gypsym board. But I had
a waterproof fiberglass, non toxic finish on it. So all
I had to do is cut up from the wall.
We aired it out. I pulled the wool out. I
put it outside because it aired out like in ten
minutes in Hawaii with the air and I and so

(57:48):
I had to resheet rock like I mean, it cost
me six hundred dollars and I have to tear out
and it went through. It would have been ten thousand
dollars and it would have taken me three weeks. Because
we just dry wall finished and painted, and it was
the whole bathroom in the closet and everything and nothing.
We didn't have to do anything because I used this
material in the bathroom. So we advertised it as a

(58:08):
completely non toxic home with you know, and from all
those things, air water. I had the water filtration system
that was designed in Ohio there. I had it all
in there, and the chiropractors that bought it there that
the two doctors the little kids called me on the
phone and said, is this true that you built it
this way? And I said yes, and they said, that's
why we're buying that. Wow.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I think we're going to see a lot more of
this when people, you know. Again, part of this was
more education than you know, coming up with specific strategies.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
But I think that people are going to be paying.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
For They're going to pay a lot more, I think
for a healthy home because I think we've talked about sleep,
but there's so many other things that I think will
improve when you're in a good environment.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I know, and most of my career in this has
been and it's not unfortunate, but it's just I mean,
I help people, they've already SI doctors recommend me, and
I'm mitigating. It's really sad because they're scared and they're
really really a lot of times we'll but a lot
of times, I mean, when you have sensitivity to EMFs
and magnetic fields. You don't know what's going on. You
can't feel it, touch it and see it. It's all
in your head, right right in your head. I mean,

(59:10):
these are normal people that go I've never even been sick.
I'm oving to this house. They can't sleep. My headache,
I can't go to work. It's like frightening. Nobody will help.
Your doctor tells you're crazy, right, but really really with
love and I am story to do this helping builders
and architects and homeowners preventatively put in systems that can
be just a healthier home. So you got homemade to

(59:31):
buy and it's built you know the normal way and
the code, which you know has no airflow, the California
code is causing zero airflow in the house and sickness.
Sickness rates are driving up because there's no there's no oxygen.
Because they all they want is efficiency. I agree, make
your house efficiency because we're worried about natural resources. That's
environmentally friendly, but it's not non toxic. And so I

(59:52):
build homes and design homes that are both of those things.
I want to use environmentally friendly materials and design the
house to breathe, so it's non toxic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
So that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
My eighty one year old father in law, it just
he goes crazy about that, the fact that they're making
him build that way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I'm sure, yeah, he just can't understand it. Okay, so
let's do this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
How about just give us the bullet points on your
build and then I'll obviously have people reach out to
you if they want to learn more about how to
build this way. But what are the main things that
you did that's different than just a kind of a
standard build.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Giving away my trades need? Okay, Well, well I'm I'm joking.
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
They're going to need to talk to you to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
No, No, I because you know how me, you know me,
you know me a long time. None of this is direct.
I mean I worked in tech. We it was kind
of the soulless industry for me. I'm doing this because
I really want to be doing something with my life
that actually matters. So I just joking. So I'll tell you.
And there's a material called magnesium rockside board can't either
worry to get it because the manufacturing United States is

(01:00:50):
really difficult. And the guy is having problems because for
a lot of different reasons. But magnesium lockside board is
a direct replacement for sheet rock. You can screw one
eighth inch from the edge where she rocket cracks. It's
the same cost. It cannot mold because it's made of
thirteen point five percent pH magnesium oxide. By the way,
there is no way that sheet rocks should ever be
in a house, in a bathroom or a kitchen because

(01:01:11):
it cannot. It's paper, and it molds instantly when there's
a humidity, moisture or heaven forbid, a plumbing leak in
the wall, and they'll they put algaecide and bioside on
the front side, thinking that's going to protect it, which
is toxic to all of us. But it's still on paper,
so when it does get wet, the only thing that's
protecting your seat rock is that layer of paint. That's it.
And cocky well oxideboard you don't even need that. So

(01:01:32):
I use magnesium box sideboard or dense arm or plus
in the bathrooms and kitchens any water area. I use
wool insulation in the wall because wool breathe and a
tighters copic it can get wet and it dries out
and it will not mold. And it's three times the insulator,
three times, it's twice. It's twice the cost. But insulation
is a cheap part of what you're building your house.

(01:01:53):
So I use wool in insulation. I use real VOC pains,
so if somebody is heavily hypersensitive to chemical I use
mineral based paint. They breathe. Its paint doesn't breathe. An
animal paint does not breathe. It's a waterproof steel. But
mineral paints breathe one way. They're made of rock mineral.
They have zero VOCs for real, not the kind where
the government says tulan and these twenty things. If you

(01:02:14):
make your paint this, it's zero VEALC. It's not because
there's fifty other things that they're using in the paints.
That definitely. I can measure all of our organic compounds,
so they're in real VOC. But there are certain so
in paint. I use Benjamin Moore bend Brand. I've known that,
I've talked to the chemist there. They it is of
all the paints I've ever tested, it's like literally twenty
five micrograms per leader. I mean, you can open put

(01:02:37):
your head into the paint and not spellady and it's
not more expensive. It's actually cheaper. You're talking forty seven
to fifty dollars a gallons that are sixty five bucks
a gallon. That's a money saver. So I use that.
Wood floors, I mean, if it's carpets, it's wool. I
don't like them, but you can use wool because the
dust might don't live in wool. They die and mold
eats dust. That's how it works, so that's its food.

(01:02:59):
So I use that. You know, there's certain types of
cocking that you want to stay away from. You don't
want to really put silicone in your breathing environment because
you have to use it in your bathroom, but you
don't want to put it in your breathing environment like
your bedroom and things like that, because even though they
say it's non toxic, most people have sensitivities and it
takes weeks if not months. Then yeah, so installation, paint, wallboard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
And then you were getting into our or you talked
about the heating and cooling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Well, yeah, so heating in heating, if you can wire
your house with two twenty when you're building a new house,
you can wire you out that two twenty and you
can put radiant heating in there. That's so inexpensive to
eat your house. But check this out. I have installed
systems that are far infrared radiant heat. When you go
to your sauna and you go to an infrared sauna,
that's healing for you. It's far infrared heat. It's anti inflammatory.

(01:03:46):
You can actually heat your house with an anti inflammatory
source that's shrinking your inflammation and heating your house and
not causing allergiess because there's no air moveing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
It's just the how is that installed? Is that in
the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
You can do it in the floor, you can do
it in the wall, you can do if you already
have a house, you can do panels, true, and they
can be beautiful. Some of them made a marble, but
they're like the piece of art. It's really cool and
it's about the third the cost. You're kidding, No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Okay, Well I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to
find some of that stuff and share it with the
with the folks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
There's almost incredible your house and it's just really start
to finish, right, like, what are you doing? And that's
what I do I advise builders. They'll call me up
and say give me your list or tell me what
to do, or they'll call me up each week and say, okay,
I'm doing this now you know, what do I do?

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
And if they have a sensitive plant, and so that's
kind of what I do with Molder mediation. I quarterback
the solution, like I will go identify it. I have
a biologist that comes in and does the lab work
because he carries the bond and the liability because it's
analogists and biologists. And also I shouldn't be doing that
because you want independent thinking, so there's no conflict, right,
not trying to get business. And then I quarterback the

(01:04:54):
solution by bringing in contracts. Are working with their contractors
to bring the non toxic materials in and just watch
their work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Okay, so I guess we got to wrap up to
finish it up. I'm curious, did you market any of
this when you were selling the house in Kawai?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah, you mean the Yes, they did all of that actually,
I mean yeah, yeah, we market it. Yes, when when
we put our you talking about when we were listing
the house.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Yeah, when you list the house, I mean you you
found you found the perfect buyer, someone who cares about
this and appreciates the difference in how a clean home
is a healthy home.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
But that's how we found the buyer. We market it
in the listing all just all the features. This is
not We didn't just say non toxic home. We actually
we actually put a short blur about all those three
different things, just kind of condensing what the materials were.
And that's well, like I said, the buyer said, I
read that he found my number personally and called me

(01:05:45):
before he made the offer, and he said, it is true,
And I said, and I had we happened to kind
of know each other. He just didn't know I was
the same. I don't know why he was. I mean,
bos a pretty anyway, you know, not a comment name,
but it was so he had known who I was
kind of through mutual friends. But he called me on
the phone and so he said, we want to buy.
I mean, besides, it was a great home. He's like, wow,

(01:06:06):
I can't. I mean they were so they had a
one year old and a three year old and this
monster backyard and this healthy home, and I built a
guest house in the back and the dad got to
live there. And it was like, I built this house
for myself, by the way, but I ended up selling
to them and feel like so excited that a local
Hawaiian family got to live it. And they were holistic chiropractice,
so they were really they identified the concept of living

(01:06:26):
in that home. Hawaii is the worst of the building
talk like they don't care. I mean, you'd see people
literally walking around their yard with herbicide no mass spraying
their own yard all the time, and they're just when
I asked them, They're like, well, we're going to die
of something, And I'm like, yeah, but do you want
to die painfully or you know, I'd like to die
of old age? Like but anyway, So that that sums

(01:06:47):
it up. But yes, we definitely marketed.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Okay, cool, well listen both. Thanks for the time, man,
this is awesome. I'll probably be reaching out and getting
some some info I could share with folks. Why don't
you let us know where to find you. What's the
best place to find you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
So SCG Healthy Building dot com. It's my website. It's
pretty simple. They can put a contact information, there's a
little video on there. I have some links to you know,
research and studies, but mostly it's just a destination for
you to come and see the legitimacy and you can
find me that way. I'm going to be, you know,
releasing a book at the end of the year called
is Your Home Toxic? And it's a simple guide for

(01:07:21):
every homeowner to be able to identify and remediate their
own home for themselves. Well, I'm really going to give
away a lot of my solutions, well everything I can
that they can do themselves, because I really feel like
I reach a lot more people there and that's what
I want to do. I mean, I help people by
consulting over the phone. I can visit people's houses, but
that you know, all that stuff is in it's great.
I'd love to help people. When I go and do

(01:07:41):
a consultation, I'm always showing the low hanging fruit that
they can do themselves. I'm always trying to help people
find what they can do and show them because it
just empowers them to go move on with it and
then help themselves and they feel really excited about it
instead of me saying I have to do everything because
I don't. There's a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Well, again, appreciate the time. It's s c G. That's
Stevens consulting group healthybuilding dot com Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Okay, great, well, thanks for the time and we'll see
everybody soon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Okay, Thanks Rod, take care of you too.

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