Cuba: Luces y Sombras 7

Cuba: Luces y Sombras 7

Episode Transcript

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Good afternoon to you all again tocontinue talking about the subject, because we

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have started this second QA. Ithink that speaking of tasks in the historical
becoming of the Revolution, I havealready mentioned Batis And we must also mention

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a curious detail, and that isthat, despite the fact that the priest
adopts the socialist model of economy andof social political system, and that that
system establishes control over the means ofproduction by the State, of the position

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of goods, etc, in themost just way possible, also establishes that
the economy must be planned. And, as I said, it is a
curious fact that, although the economyis one in socialism is planned in Cuba

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it has a rather strange characteristic,that is, it is planned on paper
you can make plans of what oneintends or what the government intends to achieve
the fortnightly term, etc. Butin reality, in the end, for

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a reason, behind those plans,they hardly ever come true. And if
they' re met, in quotationmarks. I am clear that there is
a basis from which we must startfrom the usefulness and persecution of Cuba'
s economic and financial activity in anycountry by the United States. Sister the

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APPLI and it' s real,but I don' t understand what it
has to do with it. Forexample, with or many times planning to
build a sewer aqueduct, the firstone is going to give the aqueduct and
then do the I and this isnonsense that you see it dozens of times

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and I think people who listen tothis podcast have to agree. I remember
when in the neighborhood where I wasborn and raised. They broke the street
to make the agreement. First theythrew out arachalto and shortly after it didn

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' t even arrive at the ageof three months. There they broke it
again to put the sewer and,of course, as the water master drivers
had put it, the drinking waterfor the homes, all that driver had
to take it out and they broke. And, in addition, the sewer

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must be below the drinking water conductor. And that was a disaster, a
breaker of you, a vote ofwater and the dilapidation of human resources,
especially the time of financing, theasphalt that was invested, the machinery,
the oil, the wages. Sothat repeats itself as an infinite cycle in

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Cuba. It' s one thingthat doesn' t make sense. They
break a street to do a play, they fix it and then they come
and break it again to do somethingelse on that same street. It'
s voting on resources that don't have poorly planned. The people see

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that, the whole world sees itand the people are practically not interested,
because it is already a sign ofinefficiency, lack of control and bad planning.
That' s what it' scalled. I remember when they made
the milk plans, which I thinkwere funded by the PM or something.

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They made tens or hundreds of dairyfarms and constructions to promote cattle, which
has always been a serious problem inCuba. But they did it precisely in
the area of Cuba. Where thereis less rainfall in the area of the

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tunas, in the area of Camagüeyand in that part of the area between
the Tunas and Camagüey, above all, and that part of there is a
part that one of the most aridin Cuba is the semi- desert,
as they say, with a characteristicof very little annual rainfall, and that

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brought this as a consequence that thefood of those animals was always a problem.
In other words, the cows thatwere taken there cattle always had the
problem of feeding. Then, tothis problem of food, we should add
the problem of transportation, the problemof energy supply, etcetera, etcetera,

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etcetera. To make these dairy basins, as they called it, dozens of
institutions were created, quantity was throwninto a quantity of half electric lines,
mills were erected, wells were made, turbines were put in, cowyards were
built, recria centers, etcetera,etcetera, etcetera. It was a huge

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work and, in addition to that, in places that were not very accessible,
i e it also had no properplanning. That resulted in all that
no longer existed. The majority ofthese bakeries abandoned their stock. I don
' t know the number, butthey were some that must have been a

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few tens of thousands of cattle thatwere transported there. I don' t
know if they bought them, Idon' t know where they came from.
They were cows of that damon milkand of good breeds or they were
Hustein above all and all those handsof works that were pawned there, that

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they even became small villages near wherethey were building those cowries so that there
were the peasants that would take careof it, the ranchers and in the
end all those strands, in lessthan ten years disappeared. I ask how
many millions and millions of dollars werelost in that in that bad planning of

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one of a project. I ask, if I were theorélogos, if there
were no records of the rainfall ratesof that area, who studied the soils,
because they were quite arid dreams thatbarely produced vegetation. Then they wanted
those Suelus besides being Arean, toproduce all the food and for the cattle

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that moved toward that blue. Thatis a sample of the little vision of
those who make the projections of whathabram I do not know if it is
directly has an impact what we talkabout replacing the right people by the people

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with attitude, but it did happenthat way. That is another huge problem
that there was and still remains thatway of acting. Blind voluntarism and the
lack of foresight of the problems thatmay arise from bad planning and from the
desire to make plans to please someoneand new agree to reality as tangible that

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is video. You can also tellthem how, for example, the glass
container production plant was built in thetunas, a gigantic plant when it grew

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up that it could produce about 300million glass containers a year, when almost
no longer glass containers were used inthe world, that is, they were
holding for plastic. That was aplant that was bought from Belgium, a
plant that was not even a newplant. It was a plant that was

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already used in Belgium, which wasbeing dismantled precisely because of this problem,
because there were no more twenty glasscontainers. I say that because I got
to work at that plant. Imet some of the engineers who were there
and we talked with me. Wetalked about it and they told me it
was even a technology that was obsolete. That plant was continually broken. How

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much kind you can have a plant. It is clear that I know that
it is a continuous production, whichis a production that has a certain characteristic
because of temperature, which has tomaintain the machines. But more curious is
that the place that was built inthe tunas there was no mine of the
essential raw material needed by that plant, which is Silica' s sand.

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Well, Silica' s sand,you had to bring her out of the
river, and I think that onethat was taken out of the sierra de
cubid area that had to be transportedby trains, that is, you had
to take a journey of nine hundredkilometers or more to supply that plant.
It is another sign of the lackof foresight and vision of the planners of

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that one of the projects in Cubaand of that to see it. Or
that' s good. At theend of that plant it served to give
work to thousands of workers, becauseit was a really gigantic plant. I
think it was the largest in LatinAmerica and one of the largest in the
world. But what sense does itmake for such a small country to have

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taken on that enormous burden, whichwas also an energy and meager cost and
with a market that was in depressionat the time because it disappeared on a
glass basis. Practically no longer usethe end of the factory the story of
how many hundreds of millions. Inever know if that cost was amortized,
but in the end it was ashovel. There' s the factory,

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there' s the factory turned intoold junk and never again in the bulga
worked and there' s practically noone working there anymore. Now they are
warehouses and there we have in thatsame zora the steel laminators and those of
roaring barbed cabs, which also presentin quantity of limitation with the same problem.

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It is located far away from anyport where you can import the necessary
scrap and export it to the finalproduct then ner is the problem in an
arid area, in an area thatyou have not even near any electrical generation,

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that supplies it in a stable way, so that it has quality to
those industries that are energy with zoom. That' s another nonsense for me.
That is not the industrialization that Ihave told you about these huge plants
basically do not exist anywhere in theworld, only in some countries. Imagine

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that assuming in Cuba, those plants, with those exaggerated energy consumptions and that
amount of resources they carry, andthen an electrical system like that that Cuba
has, completely deteriorated over the years, that I have always presented a problem
of any kind and that is nowin a tremendous crisis, despite all the

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investments that have been made to improveit, for paleto, remains an electrical
system paupérring, if not for theproblem of the plants that transmit and the
problem of the transmission of apologies thatthey transmit, that they generate. It
is because of the transmission or thetransformers, because Cuba is a country with

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a little resource. It' sa serious problem, but planning and vision
of the future I really don't know how it does. I don
' t know how he does it. Another curious thing, which I think
something prose has to be unique inthe world. Cuve making an archipelago surrounded

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by Mars. They have thousands ofthe islets and callos I surround you in
Cuba it is practically impossible to doto foods that come from the sea,
because in Cuba I don' tknow, I can' t give you,

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but I know that I think itis forbidden to have a boat.
I mean, if you' renot a traditional family fisherman, you can
' t have a boat. It' s forbidden, you can' t
and you can' t. Thatis to say, until very recently the
means of navigation could not be passedon. In Cuba, it' s

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a sad thing to see. Itis always an island, being an island,
being surrounded by the Caribbean Sea,being rolled from the Caribbean Sea and
the Atlantic Ocean Sea, cave isone position, one of the countries where

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the least fish and seafood is consumedin the world, because it is something
unheard of by the same ones thatthey did with the ranchers, to which,
besides telling them that that cattle theyhave is not theirs, but the
State, because they cannot kill itor they cannot sell it if it is

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not the State. They did thesame with fishermen, that is, two
of the most important sources of foodprotein. They were controlled by the State,
but they were not controlled to improve, found, controlled to make them
worse and practically destroy them. Ifthere are people who spend work in Cuba

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and who are people who throughout thehistory of humanity are very special people,
it is the fishermen, the peoplewho come from the sea and the peasants
and in Cuba. Interestingly, thesetwo types of people are the people who
live the worst and who spend themost jobs for the whole State. It

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hardly helps them at all. Youcan tell me no, not that,
that' s not like that.No, it' s not. What
I' m saying is because wehave to say it somehow. I'
m saying it so people can stopit in the world. No. I
am telling you to listen to whatis there inside Cuba, to those who

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have to make decisions and to whatthey have the power to decide what they
have done and have poised such absurdmeasures, to forbid that you know your
boat to calafate or prohibit you onyour boat from riding even some people of
your family, simply signed permission ofthe captainship with I don' t know

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for any reason. I think thatthe first ones that come to the head
of people is not sport, theywill be pro yes, they will be
gone, if they will be topray, they will be to go the
same and I am completely convinced asit is, do not want a peasant

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that a bandit eats his animal,his cow, his horse, his sheep,
whatever his property and protects him andtakes care of him no real fisherman
of those people who are very special, for I know many fishermen and I
know that sinners are very special and, like peasants, love much of that
way of living. If you makelife impossible for them, if you take

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them and put so much restraint andabsurd laws on them that come mostly from
people who know nothing about the seaor the land. They are people who
sit behind a bureau to make lawsor affirm them without knowing what they are
talking about, that is, inan office, that is, in the
National Assembly, that is, inan office of the provincial directorates. To

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him the least that there is isa person with knowledge of what sea life
is like and how is the workthat must be done there to achieve any
COSA the fishermen, the fishermen oftruth, the fishermen of breeders, of
family, of all life, whostill continue there fighting in the small towns
cos but that almost all are brokenup and full of needs, that I

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believe are the ones who have themost problems and still live on the shore
of the sea. A lot ofthem because they like the life of the
sea and those people have no chancepractically because the help they give this simula
and what they give them is alot of way to prohibit the things they

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can do. I' ve neverseen a fisherman scratch it with any kind
of fish. I say a fishermanabout that thing I' m talking about,
I haven' t seen it.They know what fish they can catch
until when, how big, when, etcetera, etcetera. Like the peasant,

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the peasant knows when the harvest isdue when the crops have to be
cultured. Then a named one comesand tells them what to do, how
to do it, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And that motivates people.
It discourages it because that is ajob that is extremely hard and you have

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to want it to make you haveto like it to do if against that
thousand difficulties and that it is ajob Murus I will come. You don
' t even know where you camefrom to tell him what to do and
how to do it and when todo it. Of course it does.
I don' t think anyone likesbeing given that order and less people who

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don' t even know what they' re talking about. It is the
most serious problem for these people,for fishermen and farmers and ranchers, who
are people who ignore, even thoughthey may be called a graduate engineer,
it is very rare. Sometimes theyreally know what they' re doing.

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Then that is another immense damage thathas been done to the Cuban economy and
to the Cuban people. I thinkthat was one of the things that has
had the most significance over time.There' s no stocking a major.

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He hasn' t won a minor, I haven' t won a major.
The horses in Cuba, now disappearand the first to breed Cubans,
of the Cuban races, practically disappeargenetically, are very altered, that is,
they do not have that value tocontinue to advance in these young ones.

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It doesn' t get better becauseyou don' t import animals with
better genes. And that' svisible wherever Cuba' s plates look like
big skinny goats and you see thatrace is bad and the goats aren'

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t that and the Cuban horses,practically the horses are the size. They
' re a little people. Everythinghas been deteriorating, everything has been destroyed
in the eyes of the people.And I ask now what the hostility of
the United States has to do withthat, that the farmer doesn' t

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own his cattle, that even ifyou get killed by a cow, you
' re the one who' sgot a problem, not the other,
the one who killed her, theone who stole it. If they laughed
at you, you' re theone with the problem, not the one
who stole it. And we chasedhim down and investigated him and we'
re going to investigate why they stole. But from that boat that was stolen

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and that cow that they killed,or horse or wrong whatever it was.
The state didn' t give asingle apex for that peasant to have it.
Imagine yourself, imagine yourself in thatsituation, that is you write caraca,
effort, care, cure, shepherd, feed the animal to grow and

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come a curse on the stolen onein the problem is you. That'
s right, that' s right, so no one comes and says no.
Then I don' t have asolution. How long are they gonna
be scratching that? Until when,you, would want someone to tell me,
how long are they gonna be scratchingthat? And you are a political

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problem. It is a problem ofpolitics, it is a problem of ignorance
and it is a problem of inactionand inertia. Everything in Cuba is slow
to approach people. How long arethey going to wait for the future,
How long are they going to expectCuba to start beating you, because it

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has no name anymore And the cubereally has no name And we always have
the communin blockade? If I knowthat the blockade you did and I said
it from the beginning on Pere,I have said it the blockade that the
United States has against Cuba is akinming, it is a filming, nor

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is it inhuman. But what areyou going to do Cuba if they have
vetoed me for thirty years, thirtytimes in one, or that the one
is another money dump, have arepresentation there so that those people do not
feel anything, nor improve anything,nor the circuit something global solve anything.

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The small countries more there to bullythe hotel, it is going well with
the powers, to do fine,to make a theater so that, because
at least they say that there isdemocracy in the world and there is agreement
on some subject. But actually,everyone who knows a little bit about politics.

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You know all this crap, butyou wanted the best, that crap
that could be in the world ofthe worst. That' s what Cuba
came, they' re going toGloria, that' s good, that
they condemned and condemned and that whatwe achieved with that. Create can duel.

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Which has improved absolutely nothing. Oh, yeah, that' s damned.
Everybody knows, everybody and they doit because of that it' s
a nerve. First, it isan abuse, it is inhuman and it
is criminal what the United States does, with a small country surrounded by the
sea, which has a hundred andforty kilometers of its coast. That'
s known to anyone who has twofingers in front and who was born yesterday.

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But America, the powerful country,is the country that dominates international politics,
it is the country that dominates themilitary world. And financially. So
Cuba has to adapt to that,stop talking to the UN for so long
and look for a solution to theproblems in there with the Cubans and stop

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giving it, to give it thebasis for the United States to use and
spend millions and millions and millions andmillions of dollars, to make war on
Cuba, to look for people tolend themselves to go out in forums and

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to live on it, to liveon it, because none, through all
these years, none of them havedone absolutely anything for the people of Cuba,
despite the fact that they have receivedhundreds of billions of pesos of dollars
given to them by the USA andgiven it to them by the Government of
the United States, and none ofthem say I am going to loone out

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of this money that they have screwedme have given me this cursed and in
silence. In the rear axle.I' m going to donate to Cuba,
to people in Cuba I don't know anything for hospitals or for
the elderly or for children. I' m going to donate it to you
from my hand through other people.I' m going to make a donation

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so people can have something better directlyin hospitals. And don' t come
and say no that the government getsit. He doesn' t get it.
He doesn' t take it,because I' ve made donations and
they' ve reached people. They' ve arrived, they' ve reached
people and they' ve been usedin the village. But the justification is
that the government takes it, becausein the end, what matters is the

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business and being able to have moremoney and the living of the story all
these clowns that come out the Internet, on YouTube and on forums talking about
communism and tyrannics and human rights andfreedoms. All that. Those are useless

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clowns, some mismillions, some opportunists, some scoundrel faces. What they are
have already done in a living wayand the suffering of their own people.
That' s what they are,no more and no less. And I
think that there is also a greatdeal of blame for these other opportunists and

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brazen slogan makers who are not conscious, because emples also doesn' t care
about the situation in Cuba, evenif they say they are revolutionary, they
are defending revolution and they are defendingindependence. And when you' re going
to ask them or you' regoing to see them and you see the
prerogatives and you see how they livein the midst of so many problems in

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Cuba, you see them embezzling andyou see them rolling and you see them
doing how much barbarity they have inhand and people know it. People see
it and it happens over and overand then we see them in the press.
They removed the Minister of Economy andFinance, but they don' t
tell us, they never tell people. I have never seen an exhibition in

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the press that that is another subjectthat doubted stopped or put the director of
the chain of shops in pretrial detention. Maybe he' ll be begging and
doing this. I' m takingthis, I had these, no,
no, not the name, andit' s gonna take the test and

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I don' t know what andI don' t know how much.
Secretism is practically a stamp of theCuban press. So, what dialogues with
the people are they talking about,how can you have a sense of what
' s going on? If youhave something in your hand, do not
communicate it to the person who bequeathedto you hello what he named you or

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the one who should trust you.Ultimately, this is something. All I
' m saying is something I livedit or, I' ve seen it
and I think we need to finda solution. We have to find a
solution there, inside Cuba. Orthe people of Cuba how many are left
I was recently euro, who hadcome to see if they had left Cuba

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since two thousand twenty- two fourhundred forty- five thousand Cubans. And
I think that figure is short.I think that' s always agreed.
First, because in Cuba there isno talk of immigration, of migration in
any Cuban media. You' regoing to find immigration figures. They have

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it of course, because they knowthose who go out through customs and return
us. They know, and Ithink he must have doubled that. And
the worst thing is that of thathuge amount, seventy or eighty percent are
people who can contribute a lot tothe country, professionals, young people and

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I imagine what was going to happenwith Cuba when they spend about ten or
fifteen more years remaining in the currentsituation that the country has, where the
vast majority of professionals are migrating professionalsand not professionals because it is not necessary
to have a degree to have talent, the talent well with nature, with

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the education that gives you the familyand the natural talent that people have are
migrating a huge number of young peopleand are leaving the country without hope.
Excuse me, and this is thetruth of this situation. We will continue

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to talk about this until now.Let' s leave this active and soon
continue until later. Bye.