Cuba: Luces y Sombras 8

Cuba: Luces y Sombras 8

Episode Transcript

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Good evening to you all and everyoneagain with you, Frank Mr. Cuban,

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his friend, to share repressions,ideas of analysis of facts to the
past and probably of the future.Like I always tell them. I welcome
you all once again and hope thatsome have liked my previous podcast and in

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this one today, continuing the conversationor reflections on the dilemma. Let us
say the Cuban dilemma and its historicalbecoming. Let' s go to me.
I' m going to explain toyou my views that, as I
always tell you, are very personal. They have nothing to do with sweetening

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or concealing the things that have reallyhappened. I am not a political or
economic analyst either, but I haveseen through so long the mistakes and successes
that, of course, there havebeen, but that over the years,

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as I explained to them, thosesuccesses have been diluted in the sea of
mistakes made by the leadership of theCuban government in its attempt to take forward
the socio- economic project that havebeen proposed since a thousand nine hundred and

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fifty- nine. In the previouspodcast I put some of the most pressing
mistakes that I consider to be themost serious, which they have had,
such as to make the change ofattitude by attitude. I consider it a
total nonsense and it has had verybad consequences for the good development of any

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project and, above all, forthe Cuban project, which has developed under
the permanent and fierce siege of theUnited States Government. But there have also
been a lot of mistakes on thepart of the United States. First of
all, because the United States isnot governed by law, but laughs at

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what is good for it military andeconomic power or superpower. Many of its
leaders, not all of them,pose a vision of the world from domination,
humiliation and subjugation. And I thinkthat when we listen to those words

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we always dislike, they give usa bad taste, they give us not
like, they give us a rejection, because it is that no one likes
either to humiliate him, or tosubmit him, or to treat him like
a inferior, only by having determinedthe characteristic that surpasses you as a human

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being or as social people. Let' s say because I have more money
or because I have better weapons,or because I have a better position or
more friends and with that I caninterfere with anyone' s life. We
can bring it into the atmosphere ofinternments, into the international environment. And

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the United States behaves as it hasnot had for years, Since the year
forty- five that ends the SecondWorld War and is divided into two opposite
blocs, the international community, theUnited States has faced a force that fights

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against them, so that they reallyfear it, as happened with the former
Soviet Union. The former Soviet Unionkept them at bay. It kept the
politics of hegemony at bay, thepolicy of submission of the United States kept

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it at bay for almost thirty-five years until the weakening of the Soviet
Union began, weakening that was notfree nor as it was as it likes
to say to ignorant people, topeople that their knowledge is based on what

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someone else tells them and not whatthey analyze, nor what they think or
what they investigate, but what otherstell them. The Soviet Union did not
fall because the economic and political projectwas inefficient. That' s a total
falsehood. And a sign of thisis that the Soviet Union, being a
country that is both agricultural and developed, which was in nineteen hundred and seventeen,

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and when the stage of World WarII ends, becomes a super power.
If anyone can explain to me howit is possible that an inefficient country
would achieve that. I' dbe delighted if you' d explain it
to me anyway. China, whenit adopted the current model, went from
being in a thousand nine hundred andeighty a country supplying raw material, with

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little influence on politics, on theworld economy, to doing what is today
the world' s first superpower.It hurts here gruel because right away one
says that China is the first superpower. There' s gonna be some.
No, but China doesn' thave aircraft carriers. No, but China
doesn' t have planes I don' t know what that doesn' t

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determine. What determines this is theglobal relevance of its economy and the U
S economy, something that is diminishingover time for the simple reason that they
have been more dedicated to trying toround the world, to developing their own
economy and their own society. Ido not say that I challenge them to

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look for and to analyze and thinkand when they have all that data,
they will see the state in whichthe infrastructure of the United States is located,
the social services in the great majority, and so they will see that
what I say is true and Itold him that I believe that the United

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States, in its relationship with Cuba, has made mistakes garrafale in the first
place, from the beginning, fromthe beginning of these relations. When the
Cuban Revolution triumphs, the United Statesor gala of all its pride, Because,
in reality, when you begin toanalyze, Cuba is an archipelago that

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does have a geostrategic position important tothe United States, of course, but
in the midst of the effervescence ofthe triumph of the revolution that, as
I told you, made a revolutionwith the reasons that was made and not
for what they say that many ignorantor destitute military who tell us that before
the fifty- nine that was awonderful, wonderful, that was Arwha.

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Not that is not true, askthose who really saw it, those who
lived it, that there is notmuch left, but there are the living
conditions that existed for the majority ofthe population in c and that is why
what had to happen happened, asit happens in social outbreaks, when the
living conditions are terrible. How ithappens at this time in Cuba, where

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people have a very great dissatisfaction withthe economic performance and political performance and the
deterioration of the standard of living ofthe people in general, then I told
you the United States, from thevery first moment sought confrontation why, because

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I could not allow that on asmall island that was doing forty kilometers away,
what happened occurred a guerrilla movement bornfrom the people that takes power,
by their own strength, by theirinitiative, and not as always had happened
until that moment, after the yearforty- five, when the United States

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removed and put presidents throughout Latin Americawithout anyone bothering or pointing a finger at
it. This was the case inalmost all Latin American countries, almost all
of which were scenes and scenes ofa bloody coup imposed by the United States,

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by the interests of the United States, as was the case in Cumba,
just as happened in Nicaragua. Inthree of the Latin American countries there
was bloody chirania, sponsoring how theywould support and defend themselves with a cape
and sword in the United States againstlegitimate elected governments. That is to say,

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once again, the tale of democracyremains bare, because whenever a vote
was taken and the candidate who didnot like him won the United States,
then came the coup d'état. As gon diego leash in the United
States does not occur in coup becausethere is no downside of the United States.
And that is an indisputable truth.Undisputed. The United States shaped Latin

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America' s geopolitics to its likingand pleasure for almost fifty years without anyone
standing in the way. That's what' s called his backyard or
America' s Monroe doctrine for Americans, which looks like it' s kind

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of nice that he said it wasfor Americans, but that had a double
reading America for them that no oneinterfered with was in their snowfall. So
with capital letters, in this area, in this hemisphere where they made and
undone at their whim, putting andremoving presidents at their whim. It doesn

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' t matter how bloody or whatthey threw away as long as they responded
to their interests. Everything was fine, as long as I gave him what
they wanted, as long as Isold him the country and the resources were
fine. In his campaign against communism, as they said, he was perfect.
Everything there is the bloody tyranny ofUruguay, Paraguay, Chile with Pinochet,

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which is an iconic one, thatof Tenemos la Tiranía de Soya,
which is one of the most iconicgood, for the atrocities it committed,
the atrocities that were committed in ElSalvador, also that that I saw those
amounts of massacres that were committed dailyagainst the civilian people in El Salvador,

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even killing the bishop of El Salvador, Monsignor Arnulfo Romero and areas that murdered
him in the middle of a massthe paramilitaries in the service of the Arena
Party, And never the United Statesraised its voice or speak of human rights,

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nor opened up sanctions, nor spokeof blockade Against that I remember when
the student struggle was on the streetof Santiago de Chile, and the paramilitaries
also and the Carabineros burned people alivein the street. It' s good
that people know that and Chile.Augusto Pinochet was one of the main actors

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of a so- called Operation Condorin Latin America, where thousands of young
people were murdered for only proposing todictatorships, for opposing those regimes interviews and
selling everything for money subordinated to theUnited States, graduates of that institution that

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was so infamous, that it wasthe School of the Americas, that perhaps
many people today do not know whatit was and was, as they say,
the nursery of the worst practices againsthumanity in Latin America. It was
the School of America. There wasthe school of torture. How to subvert

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a government, how to torture?How to kidnap from how to disappear,
from how to useless. And Idon' t use that. I am
even in the story that the Americanjournalist who made the about the schools of
the Americas and the consequences it broughtwith it to perform, those people were

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simple, plainly murderers and were givena military charge to terrorize the population of
the countries where they worked. Streshner, who was one of those, one
of the worst killers in Latin Americandictatorships. But there are many who can

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be named then. I don't understand how many people or good people
apologize. I do understand why theyalways come from total ignorance, from the
total incomprehension that America really has nofriends or any allies and as I told

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them. They were told by Kinsinger, the main geopolitical stratogue in U S
history, along with Bercisinski ke SingerDiario that I had already told you to
be enemies of the U S isdangerous, but being a friend is lethal.

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Why he said that, because Americahas no friends, it has only
interests. The Anglo- Saxon rootof the United States is undeniable. And
there' s the sample of theEnglish government. It' s idem is
identical. He doesn' t haveany friends. England, when necessary,
focused on the European Union and thenwhen it realized that what was coming because

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they made their strategic plans and realizedthat the European Union is very likely to
disintegrate in the medium or long termbecause of the differences that have arisen between
them and, above all, becauseof the disagreements shown by the peoples with
the actions taken by the European Parliament, which has nothing to do with the

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interests of the peoples. So,America, that' s what the U
S has to defend its interests,and it' s fine from the simplest
of the basics. Always a humanbeing or a society, a company will
defend its interests. But there areconsiderations of a moral and ethical nature that

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disarm that argument that they have aright and I am not at all amazed
when I see boys, people whoare immigrants just as I am and speak
of the right that the United Stateshas to interfere in the life of not

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only a country, but of theworld, as if it were really in
law, the divine one and theygo to a subjective plane, because what
right does a human being have asstrong as it is, or a nation
as powerful as it is to usethat force, to use that influence to

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determine the lives of millions and millionsof people? Well, when they tell
me that what doesn' t exist, that it' s an invention of
communists to stay in power, becausethey' re useless, etcetera, etcetera.
And I' m asking one ofthese people who tells me that.
You know what it is. Youknow what it' s like in a
memo at Mallory and you know whenit was taken out. You don'

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t know, because what you knowis what you were told yesterday. That
' s what they told you yesterday. There' s nothing there, there
' s no argument, there's no basis, there' s no
analysis of any. You good theMalory memo, which was in the sixties,
in the early sixties. I'm not sure if it was in

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the 1960s that that American politician wasfired who made an analysis of the situation
in Cuba, what he thought ofthe situation and how it could be reversed
in favor of the United States.And after they analyzed, they all realized

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that, in reality, the revolutionhad a broad popular right. And so
he put it in that memorandum,making it clear that the revolution had strength
because it was people- based,people- based, and people did believe

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in them and people knew why itsupported them, that is, that it
had firmness and could be transcendent inhistory. And what was the solution that
gave bad legacy. The solution wasto use the economic and political power of

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the United States to cause the greatestamount of suffering to the Cuban people.
For through that suffering, people weredisillusioning, People were moving away from the
bears they defended at first, turnedagainst the revolution and ended up revolting against
the revolution. That' s notwhat I' m saying. That'

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s written in the Malory memo andit' s free for you to read.
These people tell you that there isno blockade and sometimes no olive was
abolished can be used as a weapon. It' s in force today and

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hundreds of laws hundreds of restrictions.There is the law hel Borton, there
is the law To Riseli one andtwo. There is the law of Trade
with the enemy. There are hundredsof regulations against Cuba and its economy.
There are so many political perversions againsta small town, because one is a

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small town. It has only tenmillion inhabitants and is surrounded by Maria who
is far from the majority of thosewho can help her, as at the
time she was helping the Soviet Union. And there are people who are happy,
there are people who ask for thepeople who are in Cuba, being

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Cuban has more suffering in mam sanciourenplus the tru isolation of more theft of
their assets, as they have done. I do not know if you know
that the first acts of air piracytook place against Cuban aviation, that is,

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the first plane hijackings were the sceneof the convulsive era of the Cuban
revolution. These acts of kidnapping,first the United States let them pass and

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those who hijacked the planes stayed inthe United States until after September 11 of
the two thousand one, because theybegan to take action with some of those
who participated in these dangerous acts asit is to kidnap civilians and yet,
some of the civilian aircraft that stolefrom Cuba these hijackers, instead of returning

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to Cuba, or were destroyed,were auctioned or simply kept with them to
do more damage, because any year, once savale million dollars, they know,
that is, they have promoted againstCuba terrorist campaigns, they have introduced,
the assets have been stolen, theyhave persecuted diplomats who until recently could

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not even move within the United States. Just a few years ago. They
were not allowed to move as ifthey were the biggest threats in the world.
They do not allow American citizens totravel freely to the country. I

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would like to know that someone wouldexplain to me what freedom the Americans have,
when they are supposedly unable to cometo terms with the danger that that
represents. Nor does it have alogical explanation. That was a huge mistake.
That confrontation of the United States hasbeen absurd and counterproductive, even for

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the United States, which has shownitself, in addition to arrogant or absurd
and stupid politics. Another very seriousmistake of the United States is the financing
of anyone who says he is anopponent within Cuba, any movement that is
moderately saying the revolution down or lowFidel or below, saying under that already

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makes him a hero. They getit out in all the newspapers, in
all the press, on all theradios, on all the televisions, they
give it a prize. And Ithink that' s been a mistake,
because they' ve also chosen thousandsof people who are always sorry for a
scoundrel, who take advantage of itto live from it, worthless people,

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people who have no charisma of leader, people who are absolutely useless, other
than to live by story. Andbetween that I can name scenes. I
met some people who even told me. I mean, it' s not
that this is a business. It' s just that everything is a business
that I can be buevo at theend what I care about. Pono has

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left Cuba. Others are still thereand another day they died because they were
old people. But that' sthe way it is. I' m
telling you the lie. I metseveral people who said it like that and
Cleans me up, no, mind. It' s all a business.
I met people who were older fromthe United States, resources for supposedly magazines

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that were there. There was nomagazine, there was nothing, there was
no radio transmission, there was nothing. Everything was a panipé there they received
thousands of dollars a month for that. Then they turned that into a bad
death show, into something that doesn' t make sense, into an inconsequential

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crap and also harm to those whoreally, for example, have some knowledge
and want them to improve with thatabsurd policy. They created a whole fauna
of people who live on the themeof overthrowing the revolution. I don'

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t think a year goes by thatthey don' t say that since it
' s the last year that nowis, that it' s over,
that they knocked down, that Iknow, that I know when there are
people of these who receive tens ofthousands of dollars, tens of thousands of

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dollars a year as an OSAI grant, of supposed aid to democracy. And
of all this they' ve becomemillionaires. They have become millionaires in the
business of the suffering of the Cubanpeople. None, none, no one
offers a viable solution that is notquote- to- quota to the revolution

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your government gang. Supposedly and ofcourse, under the auspices of the United
States, because the payer commands.That' s how the payer rules,
and what I want for my countryis for the solution to be there,
between Cuban and nobody to come fromeither the Atlantic side or the side of

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the Caribbean Sea to say what wehave to do Cuban or cream we have
to do, or if it's more beautiful or more febue, what
we want to do, because that' s how it is. That is
how independence is and that is howsovereignty is. But the sovereignty of truth,
without any embassy of any country ofthe world being able to come to

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say and evaluate what is done there, among Cubans, because it is equal
what happens inside a house, insidea home. No one and wants me
to come to the neighbor on ahike and tell him if he' s
okay, or he' s wrong. Things. For that reason there are
laws, it seems that there arenorms of coexistence. The United States never

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understood the norms of coexistence. Hehas shown through history that he cares nothing
but his goals and interests. Ifyou need to destroy a country to achieve
this, you do it and thenyou give us a comic that that was

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for democracy and that it was todefend human rights and that those were very
bad. We' re not allvery good at that. They are good
at creating that false narrative that theyare the best in the world, those
who have the right to all,God' s chosen ones to bring peace
and harmony. But against such curiousthings, as Eduardo Galeano said, every

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country that has gone to democratize orsave it. They' ve turned into
a cemetery, into a manicuum,and there' s the evidence. Iraq
and Afghanistan and Libya, where fromstable countries, turned it into countries that

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are a manicrious Okno factions, fightingeach other, killing each other among the
same societies. Why, why dothey do that, Because, as the
ancient Romans dubidi ed Vincii said,divide and conquer. When you keep people

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fighting each other, it' seasier to master it, it' s
easier to control it. And that' s what they talk about covering up
what' s needed. It's a democratic party or there' s
a withdrawal It' s a bigparty to make life better as it happens
in Latin America, almost in allcountries. So that' s a democracy

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they like, the one they like, but the one they don' t
practice, because America' s democracyis a joke, it' s a
joke for people with no brains.There is absolutely no democracy here. This
is a great show where big companies, big banks, big financial funds distribute

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power to convenience. So, tohave a presidential campaign, tens of billions
of dollars, miles of millions,are needed in this country. So I
ask what is so democratic that you, in order to choose a candidate or

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to propose in a socio- economiccountry project, need to have the backing
of a bank of armament companies oflarge financial conglomerates in order to run your
electoral campaign. I think it's one of the biggest aberrations in world

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politics are election campaigns within the UnitedStates. Strangely enough, the least that
is done in a campaign is todiscuss the essential problems in a serious and
data- based way, with officialfigures, but to go to television in

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those so- called debates to attackeach other to get the attention of stupid
people. Look what he said toher. Look how she said ugly old
woman. Look what he said,he saw drunk. So what has become
the supposedly country' s policy paradigmof freedoms, democracy and human rights.

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It' s a chow but thatdoesn' t come from now that didn
' t get married yesterday, oversixty years or seventy years ago, that
this is so or maybe more.But as far as my knowledge goes,
it' s been that way inthe United States since its inception, because

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it' s a country that trailerfirst relaxes in the power of money.
And when you read that very wiseand foundational phrase of America, which says
in its Constitution at first will thePeople, we people already sound nice,
it' s bright, we feelpart of it. But when you start

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looking into who signed that, yourealize that they didn' t even do
the town and didn' t haveanything to do with the people on the
street. They were all big owners, millionaires. So Airbelt, who is
born fiendish never, his tor histrunk interests and that is an unmovable truth,

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as I like to say to myselfas a rock or temple. There
' s no one who can arguewith that. The United States was born
under the symbol of money and underthe symbol of violence and the imposition of
the views of the rich by force. And that' s changed us.

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That' s in America' sDNA. Then, a small archipelago located
one hundred and forty- four kilometersfrom the nearest point of view or from
the United States, has had tolive under the hostility and area twenty-

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four seven of the most powerful paelin the world, which, curiously enough,
came to have an agency exclusively topursue the economic, commercial and financial
activities of the States of Cuba inthe world, when the attacks occurred in

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quotation marks. That too I wouldlike one day to talk about the 11th
of September opened up from this.The terrorist monitoring agency had fewer people than
the Agency for monitoring the financial assetsof Cuban economic activities. Notice how far
the accusation goes, that is,terrorists who threaten the lives of people really

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in the United States or in theworld against the interests of the United States
and the world had less supervision andvigilance than Cuba' s economic and financial
activities. Tell me if it's not nonsense. Tell me if it
' s not a mistake. Tellme if it' s not a stupid,

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blue siege is a completely wrong approach, as I told you. And
besides, inhuman and not. Theonly thing he has done is to increase
the problems of the Cuban population,as Maroly wanted in his report, to
make people suffer and that suffering ifit has caused. Who knows how many

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people have died because of the sanctions, children, women, men, elderly,
people with disabilities, for not havinga medicine, for not having a
treatment, for not having the medicalequipment, as I told the United States.
The one people say there is noblockade because they sell him a boat

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with chicken or because they sell hima boat with Cuban maena or because they
let them take them. I don' t know cars to Cuba and they
tell us it' s not ifyou don' t look. They let
thirty cars pass, forty that butit is always with a number of restrictions,
that it is incredible those that putCuba and nobody remembers half of the

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covid the donation that China made forCuba of elements to fight the pandemic was
blocked by the United States before itarrived in Cuba. They did not allow
the plane to arrive with the cargoof mask and other medical equipment to fight

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the epidemic. Why, because theplane that transported it, according to those
laws of the blockade that does notexist, could not land in the town
instead Cuban. So I think everythingis absurd, the whole policy of the

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United States toward absurd vats on someoccasions that have tried to have some approach,
but those people who live from it, as I told those who created
themselves through funding like the Cuban AmericanFoundation. It was a group of mobsters

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who even had complaints, money laundering, drug trafficking, like those brothers to
the rescue, etcetera, etcetera.So, that fauna that lives from that
know that the moment there' sa normal relationship, as they tried to
do recently, they' re runningout of business, they' re running

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out of gift money, they're running out of way of life at
the expense of people' s suffering. It' s good to know this.
It is good to know this andto know that the United States does
what it does against the cube forits interests and not for the interest of
the Cuban, nor for defending anyhuman right, nor for defending any freedom

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of expression or any of that.That' s a lie. That doesn
' t exist and you need toopen your eyes with that, because there
are many people, lots of peopledeceived, even where I talk to people
in Cuba, and they want theUnited States to invade, invade Cuba,
because what that entails is why,because they are people that I think have

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the brain was a brue of somuch crap that they read and so much
crap that they listen to, becauseevery time the United States has intervened in
a country it has been to destroy. And that' s proven. That
' s not what I' msaying. That' s in the story.
It' s there, you haveto look at it. Then let
' s just get down here andkeep talking on the next podcast. Greetings

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to all of you and I hopeyou have a nice machine until later.
Friends, a Mr Chao