2/13/25 - OPW Presents: KC Murphy - Our Paranormal World with Monica Rawlins

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Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hey, cats and kittens, it's monica with our paranormal world.
Text says that I'm creepy when I say that in
my shorts.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Gives me chills when you say it.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
What can I say.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Cats and kittens? Yeah I can, I can laugh. I
used to have a great scream too when I was younger.
I had a great like scream queens scorn like scream,

(01:41):
say that fast scream Queen's cream. I can't yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Can't even say the first word.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
But how is your day? Tax? How's your week going?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Not bad?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Pretty productive? I mean, you know, it's uh just any
day above. Dirt is a good day. Right, long as
you're pushing, long as you're pulling the days he's not
pushing them, you're good, right, That's a fact.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's a fact. Yeah, my day. Like I said earlier,
I was telling Kevin and text backstage that today was
the mondayest Thursday that I think I've ever heard. It
was the monday'st Thursday in the history of Thursdays.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
That you know.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
And I can't stand when they sticking Monday in the
middle of the week.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I know, right, it's expecting to go smooth. I'm all
excited because it's pre Friday. It was a Monday, it
was a Monday in disguise.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
But so are you having to work Monday?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah? I got dual Mondays this week. Yeah, only seventy
two hours in between this one and the next one.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
So you're going to have to really, really, really really
hard to have more fun than usually do this weekend
and make up for it.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
That's right, That is right. But you know what I
get to do this weekend, and something that probably nobody
who's listening knows. I love gardening. I love gardening, and
it's something that I've gotten into in the last few years.
I've completely like revamped my front yard. I'm in the
process of doing my backyard and I'm going to be

(03:26):
putting in or actually I've already built raised beds garden
like vegetable beds for my backyard.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
And why.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I keep forgetting to build mine?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh well, I slapped mine together last week and I'm
having some soil delivered next week. But I'm going to
a class at this garden center that I love out
in which toa falls. I'm driving two hours to go
to a gardening class. So that's my weekend. That's going
to be my relaxing weekend. That's how I doing that. Saturday?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Really what time?

Speaker 3 (04:03):
The classes at ten? So I've got to get my
little rear end out the door at like seven forty
five h And Chris is going with me. I suckered
him into it.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
You'll have to text me the information on that. Okay,
you want to go, I'll talk to my wife say
she wants to go.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, yeah, We'll meet you guys there. I'll buy y'all's
tickets just so I can have friends there.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
I'll pay for my friends to go with me.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
For you my friends to be my friends. Speaking of friends, tonight,
we're going to be talking to Casey Murphy. And Casey
is fairly new friend of mine, but I gotta tell you.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
He is so cool.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
He is the coolest guy. You guys are gonna love him.
And and as soon as he starts talking, like I said,
you guys are just going to fall in love with him.
He's a blues guitarist. He's had these crazy experiences throughout
his life and all different things. Even his mother had
an interesting experience that I think everybody's going to be
fascinated with. And he reached out to me just kind

(05:20):
of out of the blue, wanting to connect, and I responded.
And the first time we talked it was a video call,
and I was just kind of you know, anybody wants
to be on the show is welcome, but I'm going
to feel you out. I'm not going to PLoP you
on air. And we talked for like three hours. We
became very fast friends, and like I said, I think
y'all are going to really enjoy Kevin and speaking up here.

(05:44):
He is here. He is, Here's the man of the hour.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
And I enough, Hi, thanks for having me on, guys.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I was hyping you up. I told everybody how awesome
you are and how much they're going to love you.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Turn about three shades of red.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Now you've played in front of you, You're not You're
not you know, I shot you away from a crowd.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Now, I've been fortunate. I haven't had the career a
lot of guys have had. But you know, one of
the many ironies of I think an enterprise like that
is that sometimes you can get comfortable playing in front
of large amounts of groups of people. Though. I had
a friend who played with Gosh, Kenny Loggins, Michael McDonald,
Mick Fleetwood, you name it, and every gig he would

(06:29):
throw up before the game. So there's always a I
think when that kingle goes away before an event like that,
then you really got to worry. But you can get
comfortable with that and then still be very awkward in
one on ones. And I'm a perfect example of that. Yeah,
I was very fortunate too. I started late in life
as a professional musician, and I had very interest. I

(06:53):
was a real ancient history, mythology, archaeology nerd, and I
was convinced as many people that knew me that I
would end up teaching it. Much of the consternation and
horror of my mother. I checked it aside to pursue music.
And but I started writing about twenty years ago, and
they say, right, you know, which I kind of was

(07:16):
drawn like an invisible magnet back to that source. Of
the things that took place in fiction were hatched from
you know, archaeological, mythological, supernatural connect combination background.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
First, I was just kind of trying to get paid
by writing articles that things that I had experienced, like
boxing or chess, things like that, and just just to
get published, you know. And but music was really you know,
when I STI so much, I want to say here,

(07:49):
I want to school a lot of the time at
the age of thirteen, and well, I'm trying to tap
a reservoir of succinctness that's usually dormant because I with
tennessee to hyperbole. As you'll find out. But when I
first got I was a football player, but I was
very shy, and I played chess. I started to win tournaments.

(08:12):
But the camaraderie that you know, the locker room thing
that athletes are used to, and the banter, the kind
of brotherhood that I felt among musicians was I didn't
feel that the same way with chess. Chess was very clinical.
Most of the chess players that they knew didn't have
any respect ory time for you unless you was good
or better than they were. And that's a sweeping stereoytime

(08:34):
that I realized that. But I was a very impressionable age,
so I kind of put that as a hobby and
pursued music because the one thing about music and noticed
right away was the fraternal, the communal, the Sacramento experience
that it potentially offered. You know, it was just so
binding and bonding that it was. It wasn't really a

(08:55):
difficult choice. What was difficult was the work in uh
a job because I started working forty years a week
at a young age helped my mother out. You asked
me to give some background. My mom was raised in
an orphanage by Irish nuns up in the place upstate
New York called Saint Colman's and my father was half

(09:16):
Irish also and half Native, but he lived on the
reds with my grandmother, who was full blood, and that was,
you know, my background, but I really didn't in order
to help my mom out sins my dad was. When
I started working forty hours a week at a young age,
and there's not a lot of time left to make

(09:37):
you know, the choice has become very immediate, you know,
when you have this kind of time constraints. So didn't
have a lot of time to be self indulgent. You know.
I came home from work and I grabbed the guitar
and played till I fell asleep with it on my lap.
And chess was something I did when I could, you know,
reading and other pursuits fell in accordingly, you know, well, I.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Mean it led you down a very unique path, and
it gave you a lot of life experiences that are
going to be pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
I think, you know, following your subject tonight, I have
to wonder the paranormal world. That's the name of the show.
Monica's are a paranormal world?

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yep, that's it.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Man, We're at war and where paranormal world we've ever been?
And as I was saying the text before the show starts,
almost like somebody opened Pandora's box, you know, not long ago,
and we're living in the most I mean, the eternal question.
If that's real, what else is real? Yes?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
And I just feel like more people are waking up
and opening their mind to the possibility and that feeds
right because energy, Right, you put energy into something, it grows.
And that's what I feel is happening right now, where
people are waking up, they're becoming more open minded to
the possibility of things or you know, that opens you

(11:01):
up to experiences, which leads to deeper belief, which puts
more energy and energy into the cycle.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Right.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well, the world's certainly gotten small look through technology, and
through the technology, we've been able to have very refined
searches for things that were just considered you know, allegorical
or metaphorical up to recently. And there's just no disputing that.
I mean, look at the things they're discovering Antarctica, I
mean everywhere work today.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, and so in your experience, because you've had so
many and we could probably talk for another four hours
tonight if we wanted to, but I wanted to start
it off discussing your experiences in it was Laguna, right,
that's where you lived at the time.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
In order to properly you set that up, I really
have to give you a background. As I said, I
was a real nerd about archaeological, mythological, ancient story all
that where that intersection is was a place I lived
much of the time and whenever I had time, and
as a result, it creates a foundation that becomes very

(12:15):
useful for a number of reasons later. Also, where I
was living at the time, it was very racially polarized.
It was a time for so much is happening. When
I was started to work for the county in nineteen
seventy three, which is right before I went to Laguna,
I had When I went to work at the county,
we had a choice to be the working for the

(12:38):
tree division or the street division. And the Tree division
was full of most of the country boys and who
lived so far up the country that that had take
of an hour hour and a half to get to
work in the morning. The Street division was all brothers,
and in those days it was so polarized that if
you had long hair and you're walking on the street
and pickup truck came by, more often than not, you
were in a fight. And if you hang with brothers,

(13:00):
it was even Danny was even raised even more. It
was like that, And I'd have to say that you know,
when you went down the city, you know you're rolling
the dice in a much different way. But which led
off inevitably the same conclusion. Anyway, I became very close
with the guys I was working with. We were divided

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into five and six man crews, and most of these
guys are from the Deep South. Casey Mannix was my
foreman and he was from making Georgia Ulysses of North Carolina.
They all were from the Deep South. Casey was a growth,
very dark skinned man who was in his mid fifties

(13:45):
or maybe late fifties, so you can imagine the world
he was living in when he was a young man,
if this was nineteen seventy three, And at first he
rode me like a pony. But you know, you prove yourself.
Why shout up for work on time and doing your part,
keeping up with guys. And it was challenging because it
was roadwork, and it was I I was young, but

(14:08):
it was very rewarding in so many ways. And I
was just getting deeply into the blues at the time,
you know, from an academic as well as from a
musical perspective. And I'm working with guys who knew. Some
of these people like my boss who knew you know,
Big Bill Brunsi and Hallan Wolf and it was just
pretty incredible. And once I had passed kind of my

(14:33):
the initiation and anyone does, when I started a new
job with new people, we started to become friends. And
it was kind of funny because he was such a
gruff old guy that all the all the people in
both in the Street division and the Tree division were
constantly joking about the outcast, the odd Couple, and that
movie had not been out that long, and I think

(14:54):
the Intelligence Show was I don't remember it was on
already yet, but the comparative, the comparison is obvious, and
it was really uh, it was a beautiful friendship, it
really was. And I had to I had to say
that I had one of the few times that when
I was young, what I had the wisdom to really

(15:14):
appreciate for what it was at the time and all
the nuances that came with it. Time went along and
you blink and it's time to go. And I found
myself living in an art community called Tacoma Park, which
is just over the district line in Maryland, just east

(15:35):
of Sober Spring. And one night I had a dream
that I was back at work, but there was nobody
there but KC. And he was wearing a three piece
brown suit with a vesta pocket watch, just to the nines.
And I'd only ever seen him in work clothes. And
I remember in the dream, I thought, well, that's why

(15:56):
is he wearing a three pece suit? Where's everybody else?
And just I thought that, he turned and looked at me,
and I woke up at goosebumps everywhere I went outside
the house, just you know, in a state of wonderment,
and I see a guy walking on the sidewalk that
I just take this here clapped. He also worked at
the county with us. Now, in those days where I live,

(16:19):
brothers and sisters didn't go out a lot of times
by themselves. You know, It's just it could be. You know,
it was that kind of climate at times. So my
first initial reaction was to say, hey, Mickey, what are
you doing here? Before we could answer, I said, you know,
I just have the strangest dreaming about case. And he
stopped walking. He just stared at me and he said,
what was the dream? So I told him, and he

(16:42):
looked at me and he sat down the steps. He says,
I man, I said, what he goes. I don't know
how to tell you this. I said, well, just spit
it out, man, and I went, oh no, he goes yeah.
I said, what happened? He said, well, we're just working
on the road and he just keeled over.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Well. I was.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Kind of standing there, you know, numb, and before I
could say anything, he said that they buried him in
that three piece brown suit you just described. I just
saw the body. That's why I'm over here today. So
then I sat down and we talked for a minute,
and then we went our separate ways. Not long after that,
I met Muddy Waters at a place called the Cella Door,

(17:25):
which is a popular nightclib in Washington, d C. And
he was there at Pinetot Perkins and Willie big I
Smith and I don't know how much time we could
spend on that, but it was one of those cathartic
experiences that you know you yearn for and reveling when
they occur. Not long after that, I wanted to go
out to Chicago because that's where all the blues guys

(17:47):
were hanging that I was studying, listening to the ones
from that what they call a post war a period,
Freddy King, Alima Wolf, you know, Little Wall for all
these guys, My mother was terrified the idea of me
in a big city like that that far from her,
So she why don't you go out to Lagoon? And
we had some friends out there that had been living
there for a few years and it was a lot safer.

(18:07):
So I stepped my thumb out and three and a
half days later I was there, and then a woman
there who was introduced to me by still another African
American cat that made a big powerful role in my life,
who was getting death threats from dating a white girl.
And I thought, very mum, so this is California. I

(18:29):
mean the progress of the vision that we have at
that time of well California represented. So to make a
long story short, you know, I convinced him to to
deal with these guys because you know, I knew they
would never leave him alone deserve bullies. And we buy
had a big bonding experience over that, and he said,
I want they're juicy to somebody, and he did. And

(18:51):
the woman at the time was she had had her
own businesses psych collegist. I don't know for how long
I can't remember, but she was working as a hostess
at a restaurant, which a bit incongruous, which she was
to explain later. So we started to date and one
thing led to another quickly, and for long I was

(19:13):
living with her, and at that time you could, I
think we're in a one of those kind of apartments
were over garage, but we had a one hundred eighty
degree view of the ocean for like two hund and
fifty dollars a month.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
And in town it was just so idyllic, you know,
it was. It was the mainstay for artists. It was
a type of renaissance. Every night. It was incredible music
being played by a number of people who worked with
the state of the art people at the time, and
pop stars you know in those days, had a lot
of depth to him as well, people like Kenny Loggins,

(19:47):
Mike McDonald. These guys could also compose as well as
sing and play. They weren't just pop artists. Point her sisters,
all the backup bands of those people were living there. Algia.
It was just a remarkable time. So we started living together,
and I think it was maybe the second or third

(20:08):
day that I had moved in when I told her
about the dream, and she stopped what she was doing
and looked at me for a long time. She says,
you know, I had a feeling. I had a feeling
about you. And later that night she said, I want
you to know that I may have been a professional

(20:32):
medium for years, and all our host of images came
through my mind, you know, conjuring of all kinds of
ab At Costello movies, of the Crystal Ball. I mean,
so I had read a lot of esoteric things when
I was a kid. I had read Alistair Crawley, Golden,
The Lid of the Dawn, McGregor Mathers, a Wife, What's

(20:54):
your name, Adam Levatski, A pretty wide circuit of existential writers.
But I was just, you know, kind of pulling the
layers back. So to make a long story short, she said,
tonight I want to demonstrate, you know, I'm going to
show you what I am. And that night I know

(21:17):
she had the give the proper background. This is a
woman who whose mother the gift was handed down from
mother to daughter for generations. Her own mother was a
very strict Catholic my mother and terrified of the gift
that she put it. And I had friends who were
Morning again Christians who thought that consulting with the medium
was you know, if it wasn't the devil's work. It

(21:40):
was something to be discouraged at best. But I didn't
have any of that blackening up. I just was fascinated.
She had a lot of pictures of Christ all over
the apartment, but unlike most of the people, well all
the people at that time that I knew, they were
rid of Jesus. She also had gave a lot of
credence to Buddha Krishna. She was pulling from a you know,

(22:03):
from a wide palette, you know, existentially speaking. And she
had been part of the metaphysical church called the Church
of Mind Science and Long Beach, and she found out
that the guy that was the pastor was just charging
you sums of money. She says, one thing to keep
the lights on, it's quite another to charge the someings
I found that he was charging, you know, for my gift,

(22:25):
a gift that's supposed to be shared with people in
a way that is healing, you know. So that's why
she had left the confines of that and moved to
Lagoon to work as a hostess. So one of the
books that she had that I found very compelling was
a book called The Mystical Christ by Manly P. Hall.
Another one was a book called Autobiography of a Yogi.

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The first night that these sessions started, as I refer
to them, well, almost every night we started the same way,
which is a long prayer, you might call it an involication,
and she would always start it the same way. Heavenly Father,
Divine Mother, Jesus Christ, saves of all religious were gathered
here in the hope that you will manifest your presence

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and in doing so expert at our spiritually as you
would really get into it, I mean minutes, you know,
and the fervor that the sense of peace, the vibration
in the room was just you know, very powerful, very
calming at the same time, and she would have all
the lights turned off in the room, but one candle
with like a i mean one lamp with like a

(23:32):
towel over it, so you could see, but it was
you know, dim, and at first when when she would stop,
when she would stop the prayer, you know, you could
almost you could hear the silence, if you know what
I mean. And the first visual phenomena that I noticed
was what you would when you see like heat waves
of the summer day, that kind of that was the
very first thing unnoticed. But it wasn't long before and

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I'm sitting I had like a forty five degree angle
if I'm facing out, say direct the west with the
sliding doors, where she'sed off to my left for the
forty five or angle facing that way, and her eyes
would be shutting. And the next thing I noticed, after
like the heat wave kind of looking phenomena, was what
her face and form would start to look like a

(24:18):
negative from a photograph, black with yellow around, like a
like a nimbus around it, you know. And right, I
don't I don't remember for how long that would manifest, minute,
a couple of minutes, and then colors of light would
come sweeping through the room. That I had done psychedelics

(24:41):
for maybe about a year and a half, not like
every weekend, you know, but I mean I had done
both LSD and organic things like peyote and mushrooms, but
I never saw anywhere near the degree of phenomena. You know,
I've seen what they call transfiguration, and we see people's
faces moving around and the music and all the senses

(25:03):
are heightened, you know. But what I was wanting, what
I was saying, was way beyond that colors of life
sweeping through the room, and then this negative effect would
dissipate and her face would literally start to molecularly rearrange
itself until she looked entirely like another person, and that

(25:26):
image would hold for three or four seconds before morphing
into another image equally defined. It would hold itself for
three or four seconds, and then in turn would morph
into another image, and this would keep going until, if
you can believe it, I would fall asleep. And the

(25:48):
first time she woke me up, I said, how that?
How could I fall asleep in the face of that?
And she just kind of smiled and put her in
on my should. So you're being healed, right, so you know,
like a child. I wake up the next morning lazars
on cracking, like, hey, can we do this again? And
she looked at me and said, sure, I'll do this
as many times as you want. The dream that you
share with me is very powerful. And I think that

(26:09):
you were supposed to supposed to receive this and this
one on it every night. And let me tell you
that not only was the manifestation singular by virtue of
the clarity the definition of the images, but the sheer
beauty there was always women. I have no idea why

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And I asked her about this, but they didn't look human.
They were so beautiful. They didn't look human. Am kidding?
And when I asked her the first time, I said,
why am I seeing? Well, what's your gut? What does
your gut tell you? And I said, well, my gut's
telling me that you when you do this, you tune

(26:50):
in to other other mediums. But why would they all
be that beautiful? That doesn't I mean? And she just
smiled and she says, I don't know, I'm out when
this is going on.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
So so she wasn't aware.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
She was completely gone when this is Yeah, as if
you turned the switch off and she was asleep. By
the way, I don't know if I'm supposed to see comments.
I don't see anything in my write here.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Oh that's okay. If anything comes up, I'll put it off.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
So anyway, as you can imagine, this is a fairly
compelling experience. You know, all twenty one years old at
the time I had been I had studied briefly for
about a year with a kung fu teacher guy that
came from Flint Comment is China, So I kind of
had a working idea of a life for us what

(27:42):
they call chi key prana, and so the existential dots.
I'm starting to connect these things. But every night this
went on, and there were other One night we came
back from dinner and there was so much ectoplasm in
a room we thought the place of a fire. We

(28:03):
thought it was smoke, and I remember going to call
the fire apartment and getting them starting to get in
the address before she ripped the phone out of my
hand and told the sorry, this has you know, been
a big mistake. This is not a prank. You know,
we just we came home from dinner and so hang
up and started laughing, and I said, you know what's
so funny. Tell me is that we both know I

(28:23):
got a great sense of humor. She says, it's ectoplasm.
She says, I'm amazed with the amount of sessions that
we're doing every night that this happened happened sooner, And
when I confessed my ignorance about, you know, an ectoplasm,
she started to explain that it was one of the
physical manifestations of a medium. Sometimes it comes out of
their mouth. It looks literally like a like white mist

(28:46):
or smoke. Sometimes off their fingertips. I never saw any
of that until we came home from dinner that night.
Whenever she went to trans I saw all the things
I just related to, But I never saw anything like that, Okay,
But when we came home that night from the Captain's anchorage,
it was so thick. I mean it was I was literally,
you know, going like that to get to the phone.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Did it have any substance to it or was it
like snoke?

Speaker 5 (29:12):
No, just as them substantial as the mist okay, but
so thick that you know, like I said, I had
to kind of.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Like, yeah, I undered it was.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
It was just like smoke, you know at that time.
That was That's my memory of.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
It, because I've heard it described so many different ways.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
That's why I'm asking, well, I my experience with it
was that one singular event, because every time this will happen,
you know. We lived together for oh good three four
months before we moved at the Long Beach. Her mother
had been diagnosed with cancer, so she moved in with
her mom and I got a room and the YMCA,

(29:51):
which at the time was running cheap apartments, and I
was fascinated with with astral projection. One of the things
that I was. I found it utterly compare as you
can imagine, as so many do. And I have asked
her about it when we were living together before we
had left Laguna. She know, it's not that hard. Really,
I'm just the whole idea. That was why it's not

(30:12):
that hard. She goes, I'll show you a technique, and
she did, and it's a very simple technique, it really is.
And I worked on it, but I could never get
beyond a certain point. And that was the feeling of, well,
you have to lie flat in this you have life
flat on your back, and I can never get beyond

(30:32):
the point where you feel like you're at a backup
where youre kind of floating with one other exception, and
that was the pressure that you get in the so
called a two tier or pineal glands. Give me the
third eye area. Yeah, and uh. And she said, I'm
amazed because you you know, in some ways you're you're
you seem to be very vance. You know, I'm surprise
you haven't. I said, I'm not going to lie to

(30:53):
you that I'm not. And then and then I met.
I said, I forgot to tell you about this buzz here,
and she said Oh my god, his third eye is
opening up, but he feels like he's not progressing. She's
found wildly comical at the time. So we moved up
to Long Beach and I continue these these efforts, and

(31:15):
one night I remember there's a Denny's restaurant across the
YMC at the time, which is at six and Long
Beach Boulevard in downtown. Long Beach is really rough part
of town. And I got up in a state of
frustration because I wasn't making any progress, and went across
the street you get something to eat, And when I

(31:36):
walked in there, everyone looked like like people do when
you're tripping. They're facing all the story to Everything was
like and at the time they had payphones. So I
called Meredith immediately on the phone and in a state
of confusion of not near hysteria, and she just laughed

(31:56):
and said, well, you know you've been doing this in
practicing the techniques. You wanted to pull back the veil,
you said, just came down and go back to your room,
and tomorrow night I'll be working a double and you
can come over and you know, spend the night at
my place and try over there and talk about a
self fulfilling prophecy. The next night, I fell asleep early.

(32:21):
She was doing a double shift at the hospital, as
as she had said, and I fell asleep at ten thirty,
which is early for me. And I woke up at
one thirty in the morning with that sense of imminence.
I just knew something was going to happen. And the
lighting in the room had there was a glow to
that was a mistakeable if you don't know, anybody would

(32:43):
think that there was a full moon in the room.
You know that kind of light, you know, Okay, And
immediately started doing the techniques and bam, I went right out.
But I didn't have the feeling of going through it too.
You were a tunnel the way a lot of people
write about, and I did looking down and see why
by none of that. Simply one minute that was lying
on my back, and the next minute it was in

(33:05):
what most would define as a lower astral, which was
to say, if it looked like a Maxwell Parish painting.
Everything was lit up beautiful, like a valley, no houses
or buildings of any kind, a valley beautiful, you know,
setting like that, and the mountains were huge, and the
moon was like incredibly big, and I thought, well, you know,

(33:26):
from everything that I know, when you're outside the body,
thought is immediately creative, you think of something it's there.
So I willed myself to levitate, and just then I did,
and the the full weight that it hit me and
grew me right back to my body. And I came
up from my you know, lying on my back, and

(33:47):
oh man, I was there. I blew it, you know,
and I went laid back down when right back out again,
only this time I was in a different setting. It's
also nature setting, no buildings, people, no ganned off with
a you know, wand give me the secrets of the universe, which,
in my in software probably a.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Good thing though, because I hear that it's very dangerous
to spend too much time in the astral realm because
your your body is empty essentially.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
There's so many different perspectives on that. I think that karma,
which is nothing other than cause and effect, is intricate,
and your own spiritual guides, your protectors, you know, it
could be a real distraction. There's reasons why the elder's
counselors in the manner that they do oho going off

(34:41):
on that tangent. I will try and stick to this sure,
this little journey here, I found myself walking without walking,
and I was kind of moving along a path, and
I had the sensation, although I knew there wasn't in
a physical body of like rocks under my feet, that
the journey being hard. And I was surrounded with trees

(35:03):
on both sides of the path, but a very ominous vibe,
no leaves, very stark, austere, almost well foreboding, not almost,
but for voting. And uh, I'm ashamed to say that
fear drove me right back in my body.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Again, Well, it's it's unknown, So I think that fear
is a natural response.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
I had stuff to do, I had people to see
out there, man, yeah, places to be. But for that
I was I think psychologically exhausted from because I had
been trying to do this, practicing almost daily for at
least a couple of months. And I don't know if

(35:46):
you heard what I said that text to whoever was
listening when you were when you were gone, but I
had gotten to a point where I were you there
when I talked about going to the Denny's.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Mm hmm. Now I had to I had to run
out of the room real quick, Okay, my cats were
being fussy.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Well, you get so sensitive when you start to develop
those you know, cultivate those muscles, those existential muscles. Then
you know everything works. You know, what you give energy to,
you give life to, so as we all know. And
I was becoming very incredibly sensitive. And I was already
incredibly sensitive to begin with. And I was what you
missed was you know, you want to just rewind every

(36:27):
want me to see it again, But it's in merits repetition.
I think we get so sensitive when we practice any
kind of existential techniques because we're given I believe we're
we're a seed of divine at all this, you know,
price themselves? That are you not? I would say gods
and children of the most high? So we all have

(36:48):
the potential to reach yeah oneness, you know, as it were.
And but we're all at different stages because of all
this is that we make Nelly in this life, all
the lives that lead up to this, and we are
the subtotal of that, from the way we like our
food to the way we like our sex, everything, you know. So,

(37:10):
but the amazing thing is that we have the power
within us at any time to stop and reinvent and
redefining ourselves. And that's an crazy, incredible liberty idea, I think,
and I think we believe that all the time, most
of us would be dawned a lot less frequently than
we are. But so that was a very landmark kind

(37:36):
of at that time. I remember telling her the next
day when I had breakfast, she said, well, what was
it like, and said, well, what are you going to do?
And I said, what do you mean? She says, she
looked at me for me that saying thing. She was
twenty eight at the time. I was twenty one, and
she was my teacher in a lot of ways. Sure,
she said, well, most of us go back to sleep,

(38:01):
but some continue forward intrepidly. And I was trying to
imagine continuing to spend the amount of time it was
in that technique on a daily basis, and considering the
amount of time I had to spend practicing guitar, you know,
all the things that you can do. I was, as
I said, someone done, And so I put that out
hole for a little bit. And she said to me,

(38:23):
you know, for the amount of money that you spend
taking me to dinner, you can get techniques to meditation that,
and I said, what do you?

Speaker 4 (38:34):
What do you?

Speaker 5 (38:34):
She said, watching me every night. You're not going to
evolve just by witnessing phenomena. You have to work at
it the way you do everything else in your life
that has meaning. So she gave me the Bottom Bible. Yo,
you should read this book and when you're done, get

(38:55):
the lessons. There are techniques of meditation which your master.
She was talking about my comfor a teacher, which we
call seafoo or karate sense, which a lot of you
probably know. And I was gifted, but I wasn't advanced,
so I knew that there were techniques that that he
had yet to teach us, you know, especially me, But

(39:18):
I had learned them yet. So I got the book,
read the book and hailed the book, and got the course, which, uh,
she was right for the amount of money spend going
out to dinner and you have the entire course and
anything that allowed that that's real, that works. The precision
of mathematics that allows you to go with whin in
with a direct proportion of your efforts. That's an amazing,

(39:41):
you know thing, another liberating. I think if everyone knew
that that was possible, you know, we'd have a different world.
You know, it's naives that sounds and the technique. I
think you have to have.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
People in the right mindset, and unfortunately, I feel like
we live in a world where not everybody has.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
That's true, so true, and a commodity these days, it
really is. Yeah, environment is everything. Environment is one of
the masters. Set is more powerful than will until we're
anchoring the divine, so we're impressionable. I mean, one of
the first things I did when I got out there
is get rid of my TV, and I didn't have

(40:18):
one around for about twenty five years after that. If
I wanted to go to the movies, the big screen,
which I love film, you know, I would do that.
But yeah, I think some choices. So that was really
kind of that's the outline of the beginning of my
of my journey with her, and you know, metaphysically, which
is of course still going on. But it was quite

(40:40):
a crash course. I just I'll never forget that, the
degree of phenomena, because like I said, I had I
had done some LSD twenty five, you know, I did
a double him orange barrels. I mean when Sunshine what
they called I was completely straight. When I was going

(41:01):
through these experiences with Meredith. I mean I wasn't even
drinking or smoking weed, nothing, and I wanted to get
back to, you know, to reboot, go back to so on,
you know, start at my foundation completely clan.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
So special that you fact, because that is such a
rare gift to find, and that you were able to
find somebody, not just find somebody in experience, but repeatedly
you lived with her. You were very close to somebody
who who had this gift and ability, which is something
most of the world, even if they were you know,

(41:36):
receptive to that, are not going to just find, you know,
not be introduced to. I'm not saying that they can't
develop that on their own, but just how you came
into it, it's so unique and special.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Well, I thought it was fuel by desperation, to be honest,
I mean, yeah, everything I thought, as you know, energy,
we all noticed some degree as a magnet, you know,
and what we really put out we're drawing too us.
And I had to when I left the DC Maryland area.
Despite that incredible dream and the wonderful people I was around,

(42:12):
great teachers and friends, I had to get out of there.
I was going through a crisis. You know inside, you know,
the battles are hardest. And I left there stuck my
thumb out with maybe fifty bucks. My gibson SG you know,
and was almost killed at one point in the country.
Has some some guy trying to kill me who that
I found out later some truck driver picked me up

(42:33):
that there found four bodies in that stretch of sixty six.
Oh yeah, but I heard that story.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
When you hear this because Texas, there's a lot.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
I know, there's a lot to the story, and I'm
understandably biased, so I can tell you that.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
The texts is a true crime. He has a podcast
about that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Well, everyone that I met was so cool. I mean,
there was a family of an African American family that
were moving that shared their dinner with me. Well one
can place. And there was a bunch of migrant workers
Mexican cats that did the same thing the next day.
And then I sang beatle songs and drank Budwiser with
a cowboy who was from Awesome that picked me up

(43:12):
somewhere in Oklahoma. It was a real rodeo guy, you know,
real handsome, charismatic. It was amazing. It was just such
a blessing.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Such a life. I mean, just I mean really stopping
think about it, Kevin. People these days don't like, there's
no way anybody's gonna pick up a hitchhiker. You were
so exposed to life, like real life that most of
America is not going to experience.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
And probably it was so much more innocent and clean time.
I had two friends, and this is important to the theme,
the central theme of the story of all our stories really,
because they're all reflections of each other, as you know.
And I I had two friends on the hitchhiking that
were friends of mine to the day they died. I

(44:03):
met them five years apart, and they died five years apart.
One of them died from diabetes related things. His name
was Gary, and I mentioned this for a reason, so
bear with me if you would. The other guy was
George Hawkins Junior, who played bass with Loggins Kenny Loggins.
When I met him, he had just gotten pulled out
of a bar in Ohi, a hippie community up north
of Santa Barbara, and it was a gig of his life.

(44:26):
You know. He was twenty seven, so he'd been out
there for a while and it wasn't exactly as first roadio,
as they say, and he was just he picked me
a pitch I got. I took well look at him,
he took a look at me, and we knew we
knew each other from some other time and place. We
drew up the top of the World Lagoon and talked
about God, women in music for three hours. I mentioned
this because years later, when he was diagnosed with cancer,

(44:49):
I had a dream that he was in the back
of a station wagon with me and my friend Gary,
who was already dead, and the woman I'd never met
before were sitting the outther side of them. So there's
there's a girl, there's Gary, and there's George and his meat.
But Gary and George are sitting up in the seats
still its statues, and they almost looked like they were

(45:11):
made of stone. And I was trying to talk to them,
and the woman looked at me like she wanted to
tell me something, but she couldn't. So I fell asleep
and in the dream, so it's kind of like a
dream within a dream. I wake up and they're gone,
and she looks at me and said Kevin, and they
moved on. And I woke up the next day and
I knew that George was gonna make it. He had
already been diagnosed with cancer. I should have said that, sure.

(45:32):
And as far as the guy that I told you,
I was wearing the three piece seat that I worked
with years later. When I was in prison, I was
in this awful place. The ab was really strong. I
got in three fights in the first twenty four hours,
so they stuck me in solitary to protect me. And
I was so exhausted and walking around with the leg
irons that I and fighting, that I kneeled down next

(45:53):
to my cot and I prayed. The master and the
pray were all these scenes anyone would listen, because I
just didn't want to die like it. You know, it's
shame in a place like that, and after all the
things I had been given, you know, the potential I had,
you know that we all have. And I just I
fell asleep, kneeling my body from waste up over the

(46:16):
and I dreamed I was back in Maryland, and I
hear the sound of a truck and look and there's Case. Oh,
this time he's wearing work clothes, driving the county truck.
He waves at me, rolls out of the windows. Hey, Kevin, like, actually,
I wake up goosebumps everywhere. Had to go see my
parole officer later that day. I told her about about
the dream and she says, oh, my god, where's your

(46:37):
freaked out? I went, no, no, no, just the opposite.
I know I'm getting out of here. I don't know how,
and I don't know when. But that's exactly four days
later they dropped the charges and.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
That was awesome.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
But I've had dreams like that, I know.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I mean, well, we've in our discussions, we've talked about them.
But I want to pause for a question second. And Rewind,
I'm sorry you said in your hitchhiking that you were
almost killed in the oh we're picked up everybody in
the chat.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Once I los, I got to Saint Louis and I
don't remember who dropped me off there, but I was
in the East Saint Louis and I walked into a
soul food restaurant and there was some guys very quickly
noticed I was alone, that had a sleeping bag, a
little airline bag full of clothes and my gifts, my
gifts and guitar, and I could They weren't even trying

(47:30):
to hide the fact that they were gonna roll me,
and then I walked out that door. So it was
a kind of a cafeteria kind of place. So I
grabbed a state knife and I stuck in my back pocket.
And this old brother that was sitting opposite me, probably
was my age then just without looking at me, just
laughed and said that ain't gonna help you. And he said,

(47:54):
you just you leave what you come out here with me.
So he then we proceeded to talk and for all
intentsive purposes, we were old friends, you know, and he
basically escorted me out of there. It took me to
his car, drove me to a freeway accent, and two
brothers picked me up. After that. They're playing the Almon
Brothers on the stereo. So I knew it was I

(48:14):
was just divinely until the next moment. I got dropped
off on a campsite in Oklahoma and this guy came
through in a bug BW bug and he was just
driving slowly by, and he said, I'm going to Oklahoma
City if anyone needs a ride. And I just had
to get to California, you know, So I had that

(48:34):
time to really, you know, catch my breath, but I
just said raised my hand and I got the car
throughm We took a take off, and we're going down
in the freeway, and he's talking in a very cheerful,
if not animated style, and then the topic of conversation
turns to biblical quotes, you know, and from that to

(48:58):
allegorical I know, what if such and such? You know,
do you know the story about Saul? When you and
it got progressively, I mean, I love talking about any
kind of scripture, just about anyone that's sincere, you know,
because you never know what you're going to learn, and
the passion that people have is infectious. And so but
it got weird fast, and the weirder he got, the

(49:21):
faster he drove. And we were taking these turns in
the road like ninety miles an hour, and I'm reaching
around trying to find my knife, you know, I had
it from the back from the stak knife that ain't
and it's gone. It's gone. And at some point we
were we were in this somewhere still in Missouri, because

(49:41):
I remember we were in a stretcher roll. There was
nothing man and it was so dark you couldn't see
anything man. And he starts to slow the car down
and I'm just freaking, you know, I'm trying to just
figure out how strong this guy's about my size. I'm
not a fight you know. I mean, I've been a boxer.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
I've been there in DC.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
I had been, you know, held my own with guys
twenty thirty pounds bigger than me. When I was fighting
a one thirty five pounds I mean, sparring with grown men,
and I was I could fight, you know, no tough guy,
I mean, you know, just saying, you know. And then
I studied kung fu, so I could, you know, but
this guy crazy is crazy, you know, and you don't
know what what's of, what's what's happening from that, what

(50:22):
can evolve from that dubious perspective. So he slows down
to where he's going, maybe five miles an hour, And
the last thing he said to me was, well, I
think the devil's in the car and he better get out, yeah,

(50:42):
you know out As the car was still moving, and
I'm trying to grab my guitar because my sg's in
the back, see, you know, And then I see the
knife has falling down on the floor and I'm but
I have to expose my back, my spying to him,
you know, to reach down and get it. So I
just want to get my guitar out, man, you know.
So that's what I did, and shut the door, and

(51:05):
I'm walking backwards, and I keep walking backwards until it's
a little dot, and then he starts backing up. I'm
three kind I three kinds of terrified. And just then
a fleet of trucks come around the corner and I'm
threw myself out of the middle of the road and
almost got killed, and no one would stop. And I

(51:28):
remember something in seven eight, maybe ten trucks, you know,
and at this point that he's got a lot closer
to me, you know, I'd say, at this point maybe
fifty yards, Oh my gosh, even And then another fleet
comes and this time this old guy looked like Dick
the Bruiser, you know, one of the professional wrestling guys

(51:48):
who are nineteen fifty two or something, you know, or
played you know, offensive guard for the Cleveland Browns in
like the early sixties, and with the tank top and
the real short crew cutting and I get out, I
climb with the cab. He says, you're my boy. I
whooped your ass. I should whoop your ass anyway, and
I'm like looking at him like the RC Victor dogman,
what do you you know? He don't you know how

(52:08):
many bodies are discovered out here in the last year.
I said, no, man, I don't know that from Maryland
and uh ages he's really worked up. And ya got
up because he had a he had a son. Well
he had more than when somebody wanted about money. So
you know, he starts projecting and you know, sure. So that's.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
So he gave you a ride away from this potential.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
He gave me rides from Austin the count The rodeo
guy picked me up there.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Okay, okay, I got a couple of questions.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Ask a good way, sir. It must be the most
unpopular guest you have. Actually, no one in the chat calling.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
This wasn't a Pan Volkswagon.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (52:53):
You know man, it was at night. Bro I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
I just don't if it was Bundy.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
Don't I know what that Bundy character looked like.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
No, this was not that.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
This was no there was like he was like a
country boy gone wrong. He was just you know, wow,
he was tall. I remember that could tell that even
from our posture in the car. But he was crazy
as a pair of walters and mice. And I had

(53:26):
not been around crazy that many times. I was twenty one,
you know, but I'd been working for a living already
for seven years. And it's some really tough neighborhoods in
d C and Northeast, you know, Fourth and Channing or
these places like that southeast. You know, were places that
were so hard and so rough that they would pay
me for the whole day and send me home after lunch.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
You know, did he give you a name?

Speaker 5 (53:48):
No, sure he did not, man, And if he did,
I certainly don't remember it.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
So okay, just for Texas ability to look this up,
because now he's bone.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
This is August is seventy six.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
August is seventy six. Where were we exactly when the
Missouri Missouri on sixty.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Six on sixty six, I took sixty six four those days,
you could go all the way. They've they've changed it somehow,
because I came back again two thirteen or tried to,
and they've changed their route a bit. But at that time,
in nineteen seventy six, you could go from one end
of the country all the way through to California.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Okay, So it was on the old Route sixty six.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Yep in Missouri. All right, yep, there you go.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Text he's on it. That's going to be the subject
of a podcast pretty soon, I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Well, you know, I knew that was one of my
nine lives that was gone, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
But yeah, well that's I mean that just okay. So
I had an incident where somebody actually got me in
the car and then started acting could he was acting
weird before he was a friend of mine, got me
in the car, started acting he and more crazy.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
How long have you known him before that?

Speaker 3 (55:04):
A couple of years?

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Oh wow, No, one year.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
One year. I'd only like spent maybe a week with
him before it was. It was while I was filming.
I met him while filming a TV show and we
came back to the next year. He was a local
and it was the same group that was filming with me,
and he came up because he was a local. He
was friends with everybody. He I don't know, he had

(55:29):
a crush on me or something he like. I offhandedly
mentioned this this song that I liked. He had it
queued up waiting in the truck. When I got in there,
he was like openly aggressive to any of the other
guys in the in the group. Anyway, he got me
out in the middle of nowhere with acting nuts, hitting
those those curves. We were up in the mountains of Washington.

(55:51):
Hit those curves, those those sharp curves, doing sixty seventy.
Like you said, he was hitting the curves, going fast right,
more agitived, he got the faster he went. Yeah. When
I finally got out of the truck, just like you,
I was walking backwards.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Because I was not turned. You know, there's a Monopoly
shirt show. I just there's so many things there. I
forgot to tell you. I thought you might find this interesting.
One of the things that happened when Mary was in
trance was the manifestation of things that were in any
other situation would be horrific. And it's not like I

(56:32):
can't describe how. It wasn't a portal, but it was
like this, uh when this when she would go from
the effect of the the uh, the black with yellow
nimbus around the negative effect from the camp that kind
of when that looked sometimes this these things would manifest

(56:54):
that looked like gargoyles or were wolves, and it would
just it would form like right out of the right
in front of me, and she asked me, She said,
how come you weren't afraid? And I said, because you
every time you did these prayers, the sense of peace
and calm that came to the.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Room, it was up.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
You could feel it. Anyone could feel. You have to
be sensitive, because I believe she was that tuned, and
she was very much like a Madonna kind of you know, persona.
I mean, I was dating a girl at the same time.
I just got to town who was just oh my god.
I was crazy about her, man, And when I kissed her,
it was like not to change right out of my pocket.

(57:31):
I mean, just really on the chemistry, like you can't
and I had to. So that's how powerful merediths, you know.
And I thought that, well, you know, hopefully I can
find Colette later. But this is where I'm supposed to be.
This is a teacher, and I have a lot to learn,
still a lot to learn. But but me, she said,

(57:55):
those are nature spirits. We as we lose our purity
in her, lose her innocence, and we lose our ability
to feel here and see them. But animals see them
almost all the time and kill children and sensitives, you know,
I said, nature spirits says, yeah, she said, And I

(58:15):
described them, and you know, they looked like gargoyles man
and and wear waves of what people call dog men.
You know. But I remember you asked me text to
mention the only experience I've had that would be Crypti related.
But I didn't want to forget that because that happened
a lot, because we do this every night, and you think,
how could you you know, she want to do something. No,

(58:35):
I didn't want to do anything else now. I don't
want to do anything else but.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
To learn, right, so that if that's what she needed,
that's what she needed. And she was accommodating you for that.
She understood it.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
And you know, as I said, there were always images
of women. It was as clear as if you're looking
at yourself in the mirror and then you you know,
or if you find her, you know, it was just
only it would take longer, it would it would morph
gradually the image. But they were just as defined as

(59:11):
you are now, over and over, and I would always
fall asleep after about I'd see like fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
It is incredible, man, I'll never forget it. And this
started like this is fifty years ago, you know, so
you can imagine how the impression of that vivid still
on my mind. Of course, the dreams of continued, these
Priscian dreams of continued to this day. In fact, I
it's had one a couple of weeks ago that was
remarkable and a few you don't mind, I'll share it

(59:42):
with you.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
I I have whatever you want, but I do, I do.
We've got about thirty minutes left. I do at some
point want to touch on what you experienced on your
way to the crossroads.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
So oh sure, I'll get for that too. This is brief,
gosh ah. I was been writing artists for chest dot com.
This started about a month after COVID. I wanted to
get back in the chest after my mother died, and

(01:00:16):
I had a dream about her, another one of those dreams.
Only in the dream, instead of looking directly at me,
she's like looking at the profiles. She's talking on the phone,
even though I'm looking right at her, and she's in
a kitchen, you know, and she's telling me don't worry,
so everything's okay. I'm happy here. And she looked beautiful
what she did like when I was a little boy,

(01:00:37):
when I was in love with my mom, you know,
and I was just so happy when I woke up
that she was okay, you know, because we had a
rough time of it, you know, the last few years
of her life. She had Alzheimer's and I had to
you know, I was being followed by you. I was
trying to sell weed to pay for my cancer. I
had no insurance, and I know, sure, how much I

(01:00:59):
can talk about it, I should talk about this on
this you know. So I'm just you know, but my
poor mother, you know. So I was very relieved when
I woke up, you know, and I started playing chess again,
and they're cheating as rampant, you know. In fact, there
was one hundred millionaire I lost a good chess dot
com this last year, and that resolved by giving him

(01:01:23):
this jerk. I lot a bunch of money, but to
make a lungs very not too much longer. I got
passed up the hierarchy like a baton over cheating incident,
because I was furious at the guys I was playing cheating,
you know. And I ended up becoming friends with the
vice president of the company, Danny Wrench, who has become
a very dear friend and in the course of our dynamic,
I sent him a copy of AUTOBIU for Yoga and

(01:01:44):
find out that he's his you know. Uh, he's got
a grandmother who was a meeting. We had a lot
in common. Fast forward to a few weeks for Christmas.
Two weeks for Christmas Friday thirteenth. There's always been a
good number and a good day for me. I had

(01:02:06):
a dream that I was in the forest being pursued
by humanoids that were wanted to do me armed, and
I was very, very shicken up. And you know how
how dreams can be nonsensical, and even dreams of this
import on surface can look incongruous. And I meet a
guy who's like a Ranger Hall kind of guy, and

(01:02:27):
I say, hey, man, I got to get out of here.
You know, I need a riot, you know. And he
goes in his pocket. He pulls out a dollar and
I'm trying to be cool. These guys are circling me,
trying to kill me, and I don't think that's going
to get it done. Ranger, right, He grins at me
and he goes in his pocket. He comes up with
a fist full of money, and I went, think that
will work. You know, and I wake up and these

(01:02:52):
dreams always happened like they run nine to nine thirty
morning with my girlfriend, come with through the door, give
me my smoothie for the for the And I had
talked to my boss about coming back to work for
the company again, and he said, listen to us sending
you some dough for Christmas. And I sent it a

(01:03:14):
Christmas card and I didn't want to take you charity
from me, you know, man, I just want to post
my articles, you know, I write, you know, that's what
one of the things I do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
So uh.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
But at the same time, I keut my third eye
open for the card when it came, you know, right
the days and then we rolled by, no card, no money,
And then I have this dream. And as Dean's walking
through the door with my shake, I'm telling her about
the dream and I get a notification on my phone.

(01:03:47):
It's from Danny. Tell me just worry me a thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
See, you're connected to the universe. You're it's all. We
all are better than most. We all are, man, We
all are tuned in. But a lot of people aren't
getting the message. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Well, you know what we give energy? Do we give
life to That's true. You we get grace, so even
in our unworthy moments. It's amazing. What you know as
a recipient of such grace, it's humbling. I'm really grateful

(01:04:24):
that I could share some of my journey with you
guys tonight. If there's anything I can, how I could
help the show or anything that you find interesting, please
ask away.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Well, what did this guy look like? I'm still stuck.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Around which guy?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
You're still stuck on? The serial killer?

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
He had really short haired, corny like haircut, like no
style at all, man, just not a crew cut longer
than that brown hair. And I mean, if you look
at anything, those guy's a dork, you know, tall but
a dork. No, no, no, no, no, I know, I
swear to God even today I know if I saw
him no short hair, of course that guy could no. No,

(01:05:12):
they have no facial hair at all at that time. Okay,
Queen's going wrong, you know, and mister green Jean's gone wrong.
Just but he was terrifying. I mean, you know, I
was only twenty one, but I had been through some
pretty tough scenarios and didn't get scared too easy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
This her character build your character, I can tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
That, well, this says something to the universe that you
know by far away that the lion's share of the
people that I met on that journey were just not
only you know, cool, but just wonderfully kind. You know,
people had very little struggling. You know, these migrant workers
will never forget, you know. It was amazing. And this

(01:06:01):
old man that picked me up and this outside the
Grand Canyon, and he was flirting with he must have
been eighties, flirted with this nurse at this Diana we
were at and I can't even repeat things he was saying.
But it was cool though, I mean, in any situation
from an old man the god did you really? But
he was much time left, Yeah, he said it hilarious.

(01:06:26):
And we drove. We drove from the Grand Canyon. He
drove me all the way to l a man because
I remember that that view you've seen in movies of
out downtown La. You get the light of that, Yeah, typical,
That's what I saw coming to town. And of course
I had further go and a lot of lagoons an
hour and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Anytime I get near La, I can feel it. I
can feel La like the vibe. You can feel it
before you get to it. But I can smell it
just as far away, like burning tires.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
To I don't know if you know, you know, but
Laguna's kind of used to call out the Riviera of
the West.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
It's beautiful. I'm talking about l A.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I was just gonna say that
good is about it. Now it's I guess, a much
longer drive. At the time. You could get to Laguna
from La an hour and a half and I had
to go that and I just kept getting cool rise.
I was just very very fortunate. Yeah, and La good.
It was just I just was stupefied when I got there.
It's like, I just the other thing that was kind
of like shock culture shock because I'd never seen so

(01:07:28):
many white people in the same place, you know, the
only people of color I saw her carrying trays. So
that was a bit disconcerting, except for the musicians, you know,
you know, but that but it was so beautiful, man,
I miss. I was just it was like pictures of
movies I'd seen of the Riviera with the French and
Italian riviera, gorgeous and the town was no drive by shooting,

(01:07:49):
no stress, no just everyone was about art and and
and uh, of course it was just you know, feeders
past there, you know, the hippie free love, you know.
So it was quite an amazing experience, you know, for
a young guy get there, you know, to spend the
best years of your life in a place like that
is you know, really a blessing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
That's special.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
I left there at thirty one, was there for ten years,
you know, ten years and two months or something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
That's awesome. And you got to experience it at a
time where it was relatively affordable.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Yeah, I mean my first few paths, I had a
two bedroom house with one hundred and eighty review the
ocean in Southlaguna on Jewel Street, near the hospital, for
five hundred dollars a month. Dude, I could have.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Bought it for eighty got a lot of money back then,
but still.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Yeah, yeah, well the place that I could have offered
eighty grand and eighty three ninety eighty three sold for
a two point five million, And every now and then
I go wishfully buy it, you know, and look at.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Yeah, if only, if only I familiar with that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Indeed the world is so different as far as that,
the inflation, it's just I can't begin to address that.
I don't know if I want to on the show. Well, uh,
did you you want to ask me about the cryptid
experience text? I do. I want.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
I want you to set us up, like why you
were going towards the cars, yeah, and what it was
you experienced.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
I studied the h to try to describe the effect
of African American life and culture on me, from the
woman who changed my divers when my mother was at
work to the guys that I was forced up to
meet and play music with later, that life and culture

(01:09:40):
so interwoven with the fabric of my life that it
was pulled away, my entire universe would collapse. And you know,
I like to think that I'm pretty diverse. I have
a lot of I'm fascinated with so many things. I
had a Chinese teacher that was like a foster father
than me, and the effect of Spanish speaking cultures and

(01:10:03):
various kind of Mexican music like Puerto Rico, Cuban at
the South, So so many things influenced went along the way.
But I have to that was paramount prominent, you know,
in my formative years and still a means to profoundly
so to this day. And I say that because when

(01:10:24):
I had the time, I was diagnosed with cancer. I
came back and I put the band together. I had
just been kind of a guitar player for hire, but
I wanted to have put my own band together and
raise a set list, you know, and you know, run
the show. And I knew I was hungry, so I
knew i'd get work. And I came up with the

(01:10:46):
name of juke Joint Jokers and met a Galan when
I was working at so many briefly I married and
you blink in a few years go by and I
was diagnosed with cancer and didn't have any insurances and
I was told I couldn't have any children and not
a young wife. So it was soul breaking, you know.

(01:11:09):
And I feel myself in music as much as I could,
you know, the healing energy that it has, you know,
even just as a listener. And I don't say that
disparage they leave it to be able to play it is.
And along with that, because I had more time, you know,
because I was going through treatment, stuff I got I
started to really get deep in academic studies of the

(01:11:31):
who what they call who do? Yeah, you know, oldest
City I think is is New Orleans where the slaves
were taken Voodoo, which due to Eurocentric racial prejudice, has
been cast in dubious light. It just means, ah, that's
the best way to put it in English. Language of

(01:11:56):
the gods, you know, people of the on the hierarchy, uh,
the language and informs it more from the yure with people.
But as the slaves that were taken here were forced
to become Christians in this New Orleans, in that case Catholics,
they realized very quickly that there was a litany of
saints that was as intricate and as lengthy as their own.

(01:12:20):
So they created a hybrid religion where each Christian or
Catholic saint had a counterpart African counterpart. Prince Saint Peter.
The guards the gates that heaven became illegua or lega
and as this, you know, I really dove deep in
this because there's so many references on the records, you know,
blues records specifically, and you read about the legends of

(01:12:41):
people like Robert Johnson, you know, soul, the soul of
the devil, in which you can go back to classical
which are Paganini. They said the same thing about him,
but it had assumed a uh stylistic construct if if
you will. That for me was I couldn't get enough
of it. And I was living, you know, I came

(01:13:03):
back to d C. And was living in the city
where's ninety five percent African American, you know, and there
was a renaissance of sorts where a lot of African
Americans were coming back to the blues after kind of
disdaining it because they were a memory of you know,
the slave days where most of were going into jazz.
But there was a real renaissance going on, and I

(01:13:25):
was fortunateough to feel and experience some of that, and
I threw myself into it with the usual fervor that
I do anything though passionate about. As a result, you know,
I learned a lot, you know, very quickly. And yet
you know, you get to a place where you realize
how how naive says it sounds. Just Steven say, I

(01:13:49):
know a lot, you know, yeah, just layers man. Anyway,
the whole mythology of the Bluesmen is selling a soul
to devil at the crossholds for his his captivating ability
has been you know, something that's been bragged about by
many of the blues man it was either rubored about
ever bragged about. And I think in Robert Johnson's case,

(01:14:11):
he was what the Jimmy Hendricks of his day. I
think he's just a guy that he joined a house,
as they call it, which is a place where people
gathered would worship, and he also practiced all day. As
a result, when he first showed up, all the old
the elders laughed at him. Somehow is Charlie Patton, all
these legendary guys that because he was that bad? And

(01:14:35):
when he re emerged a year and a half later,
we're hearing a record, it was just a stone, you know,
and rumors went about, you know, as a direct proportion
to his ability and his appearance.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
His grandson was in chat. I'm sorry his grandson was
in chat earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Really yeah, that is so cool because I read a
about this guy and I think he did a documentary.
I can't see anything. I just see private chat as
a blank. Is no names or anything in my line?

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Oh you have to hit comments.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Oh say, devil's in the details. Oh yeah, there's everybody. Hey, guys, hey,
you know talk about I tell you, man, I was
dragged kicking and screaming in the twenty first century, and
you're the results or lack thereof. I hope I didn't
unintentionally ignore anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
No, no, you're good.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
Yeah. Yeah, He's the most compelling figure of them all,
cloak and mythology. I couldn't literally appreciate the records I
first heard him, you know, any more than I could
appreciate people like Charlie Parker at first, Charlie Christen, because
the sonic I was, it couldn't get pasted about. What

(01:15:54):
I thought was, you know, not very good fidelity. And
I thought to myself at the time, well, pride of
myself on being tuned in, and why could they get
past that and get through the essence of it? Well
it took me a minute, but I did, and I
started to study the stuff from that academic perspective. As
I said, when I came back to DC and my

(01:16:15):
business was striving, I finally was able to go out
and afford to buy instruments that had wanted all my life.
And I was fortunate when I came out of the
choot as a young professional, I had two really great
guitars and all I ever needed was those two. But
you know, as we all know, life is about choices,
you know, just have them at least you don't need

(01:16:35):
to go out and be an idiot spend it, but
just to know that you can as all if there
was in the world when you've been poor most of
your life. And I was poor most of my life
as most people would define the word and contend to
be so, because I was married to something that allowed
me to at least pay my bills. You know. I
didn't care about owning property, and I just wanted to

(01:16:56):
become a really you know, guitar player and to be
able to justify it by least, you know, staying in
breast of my bills. I was able to do that,
you know, So I started to I really, I got
this guitar, and I had read and studied and talked
to a lot of different people about the whole Crossroads mythology.

(01:17:22):
In fact, John Fusco, who's acquainting to mine, uh, he's
you would know him from his work. He's done a
number of films. The first one that he did it
was what was called Crossroads. That's about a young classical virtuo.
So that discovers that one of the guys that Robert
Johnson mentions and the song is alive and living in
an old folks on so he breaks him out. It's

(01:17:45):
because the guy promised him showing the song that no
one knows about that Robert Road. But he really just
wants to go back down on the crosshoads a redeem
his soul, which he sold the Dell Jamie Gertz. It's
a really beautiful film, and with Ralph Mancio and actually
Walt Hill as a director, and since that he's going
to do some incredible things I'ldalgo and The Highwayman and

(01:18:06):
Forbidden Kingdom with Jet Lee and Jackie Chan. It's an
amazing guy John is and this was his first one,
and uh, I hope he is as proud of it
as I feel he should be. And that's a pretty
good you know, parallel to what you know. I was

(01:18:27):
doing a much later uh dayton age than Ralph Manto's character.
So I, uh, this is going to sound up surred
to some of your listeners with oh, well what they say,
no fool of an old fool and I was not young.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
It's not gonna sound absurd.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Yeah, don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
So it takes me, I saw a werewolf twenty five
feet in front of me.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Okay, good, I can't wait to ask you about that
if i'm if I can. But there was an area
near my mother's house where I grew up, which is
beautiful area Rock Creek Park, and I knew that it
was a typical. It was this, It was a typical,
but it was it was a technically a crossroads. And
I have a buzz on, you know, and I like,

(01:19:12):
we always have years without anything when I got strictly
meditation because I just wanted to be hiphing meditation, but
if I had to just choose one thing. So anyway,
I drove out there with my guitar and it was
just at midnight, man, you know, it's like and I

(01:19:34):
got out and I walked into the woods and I
didn't get very far. And by that I mean I
couldn't have been thirty yards from the car. Could have
been more than ten feet into the woods. It was
so dark. And something came up, rose up in front
of me, and I did not hear any girl, I
did not have the smell, but what it was huge,

(01:19:58):
whatever it was. And as I said earlier, one of
the virtues living to be seventy years old. Is that
you have the potential experience quite a variety of things,
and both good and bad. And I had been in
some really tough situations. I knew it was like to
be you know, to be terrorized, you know by the Feds,

(01:20:23):
you know, by guys put guns in my head trying
to rob me, and number two cancers at this point
I survived. This was utterly unmanning. And I have to say,
you all want to think to be like you know,
Bey Wolf or John Wayne, who over your here was
when the shait goes down the rise of probul occasion,

(01:20:45):
I was in capable of speech or movement for a
good five to ten seconds. That's a fact. I'm impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
What's that I said, I'm impressed it it was only
five or ten seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
Well, you know they don't watch it to keep the
kind of time you're on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
So I'm hold on my guitar and I just remember
when I was when I was regained movement, mobility. I
remember just having I don't know if it was sense
or if I was just too afraid to do anything
but walk backwards slowly mm hmm. And I got back
to the car I very carefully opened the door and

(01:21:25):
then uh, I scooted around and threw my guitar and
scooted around, and uh, I was on the next thing,
smoking back to my apartment. You know, my head just
buzzing with visions. But that was oh man, And I remember,
I don't know if I could mention other hosts. VIC

(01:21:50):
interviewed me for over an hour a while ago, and
I think because I didn't have any real crypted and
I don't think he's ever viewed aired it, and that's
not a big year. I just wanted to and you
do too, you know. We all want to share a journey, right,
you know, and uh and we all have a tail
of tell you know, everybody's got a burden. You can't
see in the story you ever heard.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Everybody has a story. That's a fact.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
So I remember he asked me, you know, very pointedly.
You know, if I said I didn't smell anything, there
was no growl. But man, there was no question. But
in front of me was huge. I mean it was
not just tall, but it was massive, right, And I
think that's what really So I wanted to ask you, well,

(01:22:38):
I'm sorry text if that's a bit of a disappointment.
But you know that's that said.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
I think that's great.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
That's exactly that went down.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
So this thing that that rose up, you didn't hear
any growls, you didn't smell anything odd.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
One minute, everything was cool. The next minute this thing
it was if.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
There, So it was. Do you think that it was
maybe one of the earth spirits that you had encountered
with Meredith locking your past?

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Because everything I experienced with Meredith was I was never
remotely disconcerted. Every dame she did that, she we did
it a session that she would call it. She would
start with his prayer, and the feeling that pervaded the
room was one of peace and calm and a sense
of anticipation and enjoyous way. It was nothing even vaguely,

(01:23:28):
and I saw horrific shapes, these things she called nature spirits,
which looked like gargirls and wear well, that never felt anything,
because I guess if you had known her or been there,
it felt that you would you know it wasn't because
I was sure.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
I mean, do you think that it was her presence
that was subduing that sensation?

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
I know it's protected. I just I guess on some
level when you're around someone of that stature, you know,
and your deepest recess of the spiritual core that binds
all of us is always potentially awake and aware at
all knowing. And you know, I just saw, I knew,
but this was not that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Well, I understand, but Meredith wasn't there.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
That's what I mean. This was not that. This thing
was just It's like I don't remember hearing it move
out in front of me, and it did not rise
up from the ground. It didn't come to It's just
a portal. It just was all of a sudden it
was it wasn't there. And then it was the terror.

(01:24:30):
You know, man, My mother said to me, was I
love your son, but you're nothing if not given my purple.
I could try for the if I had the rest
of you know, the night, and I couldn't do justice
to what I felt.

Speaker 6 (01:24:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Yeah, that's I understand. I had that similar dread, terror, evil,
just that feeling when I saw the one that I saw.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
When you told me that story and when I heard
text talk about it. I mean, I just I could
talk to you guys for a long time about that.
I mean, I just navigating this surreal world right now.
I mean, I didn't know about these things until a
couple of years ago. I have sasquatch is different. I

(01:25:18):
knew that's I'm talking about dog man. But being a
keen student of mythology and history, I recognize that of
the fifty four Icelandic saggage, at least fifteen of them
have to do with wear wolves. You know. So, I
mean in every culture that I've studied, and I've studied
quite a few, there's a concept of shape shifting. You know,
in Africa, you know, where leopards the women, in China,

(01:25:39):
Japan where the witch has become where fox is. There's
a there's a need for a man and women, for
people to relate to the infinite through nature. You know,
you look at kung Fu, the praying manners, the monkey
of tiger, crane, snake, leopard. There are these styles are
based on the movements of the analysts. Because the way

(01:26:00):
we commune with our higher self than nature, so the
good bad aspects are there for all of us to
potentially explore, you know, learn about it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
That's awesome. Well, okay, so we're winding up our hour
and a half and there's so much more that we
could talk about so I'm going to have to have
you come back on.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
Again, absolutely, But I'd be honest, it's been a privilege,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
And don't be surprised if other people start hitting you
up to be guests on their show too.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
Oh well, you know, man, I'm very grateful. You know,
we live in such an amazing time. We're all trying
to connect with ourselves with something that's you know, our
higher self I think, whether we even constantly know or not,
and we all want to share our story, our journey
with somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Yeah, because every story is unique, and everybody has a story. Yeah,
but it's a story that I feel like the world
should hear everybody's. Everybody's story should be shared at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
That's that's what I think. I mean, that's what I
said I think a little while ago. I think every
everyone has a journey, I mean, a story that we
haven't heard it. They have a burden that you can't
see at first, you know, usually, you know, and these
times more than ever, I think we we should be
trying to be patient and kind. But it's hard. I mean,
the velocity of the negative forces out there, and the

(01:27:22):
toxicity implying and the man loves it. We're divided, you know,
the people, the powers that control love to see is
conflicting with one another, podcast is arguing with you. It's
just this insanity. But it's for each of us to
work out in our own way, according to their own understanding,
you know, and with some humility and compassion, it can
be done, you know, I think, Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
So I usually give my guests an opportunity to tell
everybody if they want to reach out to you directly
with any questions. If you have an email address or
a website or any any method for people to reach out.
If you want to.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Share, email me at Ali kat blues at hotmail. My
music site, my writer's site doesn't allow access to that,
but my personal email is Ali Kat No fancy A
l l E y c A T blues b l
u E s at hotmail dot com. And uh I
get back to you just asten as I can.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Yeah, let me tell you, Kevin is such an amazing person.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
You won't She's got to get to know me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
I mean we've talked extensively every book.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
I know. It's a real gift. I really appreciate, you know,
we really really you know, I can't thank you all enough.
You never chance to ask you guys questions it but
if you have me back on again, text both of you,
you know, have some very pointed questions I'd like to
ask absolutely. And I have some friends that I think
would benefit by going on your show. I have two

(01:28:52):
good friends who both had encrypted encounters. I know it's
not exactly your thing. It's I don't know if I
name these guys now, but there are other avenues, but
but two of them have had direct experience one many times.
And what's intriguing about that guy, Cornell, my friend Cornell,
is that he had these experiences back where I grew up,

(01:29:14):
you know, right from five minutes from my mother's house.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
You know, is he the one who had the story
that I told you I thought I show?

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Yes, yes, well I think Cornell's in chat.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
Yeah he was. I called him earlier and said, hey man,
i'm gonna be I'm gonna be out here tonight. And
you like these guys and uh, but you know the best,
you know attentions, but yeah, I'm glad to see him.
Hey Cornell, Hey man, Yeah, his story is He's amazing, dude.
I mean, he's just a great guest. You know, he's
a great guy, you know. And my friend Roy Stumblefield. Uh,

(01:29:46):
he said he'd try and shake in from work. He's
been on some shows too. He was a guy who
was out in New Orleans, went to the park to
meet a girl and the next thing he's been a
tack by. Well buddy was he went to help him.
You know, the people are amazing and the world is
in a We're in amazing times.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
I'm very grateful to bit here. Thank you very much,
and thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
We'll need to get both of them on and get
you on again and absolutely text did you have anything
you wanted to add? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Not that won't take another hour?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Well yeah, you know what, you know what, Kevin will
get you on Texas show too.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
You can.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
That'd be great, I'd be honest, And I love piece
and blessings to everybody out there, you know, especially the
other podcasts who have an arena allow people that you
guys are doing that, who need to tell the story
that people are just it's an amazing really, it really is,

(01:30:44):
because people have to the times are more eminent than
they've ever been. I'm sorry, I'll let you go. I
just wanted to make gratitude for all the podcasts are
out there and doing, not just you guys, but everyone
that's out there have gives people a voice, you know,
to share these incredible experiences. And thank you so much
both of you. It's been a real gift tonight for me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Well, we're glad to have you here. I'm so glad
that you know, you were able to come on and
you're able to talk about everything. Like I said, I'll
get you back on because you've got a lot more,
like Kevin has more to say, So we've got to
get We've got to get you back on. You'll be
on Texas Show. I'm sure I wouldn't be surprised if
Bigfoot Michigan Rob didn't reach out to you too.

Speaker 5 (01:31:28):
Well, I know these people, I've watched them before and
it's great to be able to connect.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Oh, my book, I forgot my book review. I have
a photo to go with it, So I'll tell you
the book that I am reading right now. So the
book that I am currently reading is number four in
a series. The author is Greg Beck, and this is
a spin off of his main series. This follows a

(01:31:58):
crypto linguist who is a professor at Harvard University, and
he is recruited by the government to go on these
missions to decipher unusual things that are found all around
the world in different circumstances. Each book is a standalone.
You don't necessarily have to read the previous ones to
appreciate it, but it would help you understand the character better.

(01:32:22):
But I love the author, Greg Beck, because he mixes
fantasy with fact. He mixes clients with science fiction, so
there's little nuggets of facts within his stories. So I
highly recommend it's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Thank you for.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
The author is Greg Beck? It is. I want to
say the one I'm reading right now is called Extinction Plague.

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
I would have to get that from you after the show.
I should Bland showed up. I really like to show Josh.
Josh is there too, Yeah, Josh is in chat.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
Great.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
Yeah, of those guys have enough time to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Be here all night if we keep going on about everybody.
But there's my book review, Gregg back Extinction.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
Thank you so much for that. You know I'm got
to write that down, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
And I'll share it with you. So hang around, Kevin,
because we always chat a little bit back. I'm your show,
And to everybody who tuned in Thank you so much,
text and I appreciate it. I appreciate it. If you
liked the show, please go ahead and hit like and subscribe.
It would certainly be doing me all. So for Texts

(01:33:36):
and me and Kevin, we wish you all a fond
good night.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
Hey what do I do to stay on with you?
To just right there?

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
It's all good.

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
This is the future, evolution. This is the future, the

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
Evolution

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