4/17/25 - Legends of the Desert

Tonight we take a gander at some legends, myths, and stories about what creeps, crawls and flies in the American Southwest.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
How do doty cats and kittens?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
So do?

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Mhm?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
What it did?

Speaker 4 (00:09):
What it done?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Did?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
How is everybody tonight?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm hanky dory Other than my tummy, I'm all right,
other than your tummy.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, grapes and weren't agreeing with them, like.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
A whole bag of grapes. That's that's like a pound
of grapes. Breeze.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
He's got a rumble in his tumbly.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, grapes and cool whip, cool whip, cool.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yes, you gotta have the coolip with with all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's like a one fruit fruit salad, is what it
sounds like to me.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah it is. Oh, it's the only one of the
only I guess if you could call it a condiment
that my cat will share with me. Like if she
knows I'm eating cool whip, she's like, hey, except, bro,
I come hang out with you for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
And you know I can eat a little bit of
cool whip. I just you know, when you when you
have other stuff available that's better tasting, like the stuff
in the can, the ready whip, ready whip, or if
you make your own whipped cream.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
You know they don't put the nitrous oxide in the
cans the coolip anymore or the ready whip or whatever.
Like I tried it. I tried it like.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Five years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I was like, oh yeah, and I was like what
it didn't work anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I didn't know. I mean, I knew it was a thing,
but I'd never done it.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh, it was great back in the day when I
was a kid. I'd have you know, my mom would
be pissed because there's literally you can fill a hole
can of cool whip, but there's no gas left in it.
I'd catch an ass.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I guess, so damn it breeing, you've been huffing cool.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Look at some spray paint, like a normal delinguer.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Right, gold, the gold or silver, that's the good stuff. Word.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Now, those people were easy to spot, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Because they've got spray paint, all of them.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yes, actually really lock up.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
The spray paint. Now you have to like go get
somebody to get the spray paint for you.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, they started doing that and down here, well at
least I remember they did that in the I want
to say mid to late nineties. Like they would lock
it up and you had to have an ID to
buy it.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, I wasn't in a graffiti. I wasn't huff and fumes.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I had a cousin who did that and got on
and uh he went as far as a gasol, you know,
and he literally fried his brain out, like like you
talked to him now and he's well even back then,
you know, he's so Yeah, kids, take something better, you know.

(03:20):
I know it's cheap, but do yourself a favor.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, you remember that, Oh man, I remember the rubber
cement and element the few coming off of that crap.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
You got like a six year old ready to pass
out for lack of oxygen because they were using the rubbers.
It was strong.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah. Do y'all remember them making the copies on the
wordly bird, the copying machines you know.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Remember, Yeah, I mean I remember them, but I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I remember that. I remember the carbon copies in the
carbon paper.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
This was.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It was basically the same thing, but it was they had.
You had a drum you put the the the whatever
you were copying on and it rolled over the papers
and spit it out. Could duke and wet ink and
I mean everybody every time you every time you'd hang
out a paper kid in the class.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I remember the smell. I remember the smell you had
to hand crank.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, well remember they were, But I don't like we.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Used to have to hand crank the engines back in
the day.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, get in the.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Front, my apologies, which reminds me.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You know that favor you want me to do when
you pass, Yes, other worlds. Yes, I'm going to do it.
On one condition.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
If I'm allowed to put a wind up crank on
the front of your coffin when I play the music, Well.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
How about that would be good? Yeahs the grim Reaper
and start cranking. Then everybody waits.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, you give me. You give me a little bit
time alone with you, and I can make you pop
up out of the It's okay.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Now, look, gosh, I don't like touching dead bodies. I
can't imagine you would either going to hurt you. They're
not going to hurt you. I just don't like to
feel yeah, waxy and cold.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
So anyway, on that note, on the note that skin,
let's see, what are we going to talk about tonight, y'all?
Because I really, guys, honestly, I didn't have a topic.
I just saw some legends, some Apache legends. Actually, I
was just kind of perusing those and I noticed that

(06:21):
Apache have a Rockman legend, and so do the Cherokee.
And again, you know we're talking about not that you
know they never cross paths. I'm sure you know they
did at some point, but you know, the Cherokee have
a legend of Rockman also, but the Cherokee legend is

(06:41):
more of he's not good or evil, he just is
and he goes and he gathers wayward like evil spirits,
like or people that serve evil spirits, or people that
are you know, doing like black magic, let's say, black

(07:01):
whatever you want to call it, and he goes and
gets them and you know, brings them back to the
other side, where the Apache rock Man is like an
ambush predator. I just noticed that one. So I don't
know a ton about it, but it was just really
interesting to me, and it got me thinking about the

(07:23):
Southwest and things that go bump in the night in
the desert, because I mean, there's a lot of weird
stuff going on in the desert. Yell. I know, we've
all heard some crazy stories the stuff that goes on
in the desert if you have not witnessed it yourself, right,
that is true. Yeah, I mean there's UFO stories you've got,

(07:45):
obviously the Native American aspect. There's ghosts, you know, and
the desert itself is just creepy if you've ever been
out there at night. I mean it's vast and dark
and cold. I mean, you wouldn't think the desert was
cold at night, but it's dang cold.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
H Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I'm reading this one. I'm packing packing, I'm a pachy
legend and it's killing of the monsters. Oh yeah, it's
pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, they're all great. I mean, if you get a
chance to read like Native creation legends or just legends
in general, they're all right, pretty interesting. You're going to
hear something cool. And I'm all about, you know, making
sure that the stories stay active and get the story
out there for everybody. But you know, when Joe and

(08:44):
I were talking about what to do, he had mentioned
aliens or men in black, which is a good topic too,
because I mean, let's be honest, there's lots of UFOs
cited out in the desert.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah. Our bill was all about that.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Mm hmm. I wonder why it's so prolific out in
the desert isolation, I guess.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
So, yeah, I mean that's yeah, you got you got
less of a population. You know, it's in so you
can be a little bit more sneaky with it, you know,
same with the oceans and whatnot. If you if you
buy the U. S. O S and all that stuff.

(09:36):
I mean, that's just where i'd go at it. You know,
if I'm in your backyard trying to sneak around your house,
I'm gonna stay in the tree line.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
You know where you're not going. I'm not going to
come like right out by your barbie. But why not
when we started talking about the desert and stuff, I
was looking at the desert and I ran across the
did excuse the Egyptian god Set, which is the god

(10:05):
of the dead, And I was reading about you know,
him and Horace and Iris and but when they all
got sideways and everything, it's pretty crazy. You want to
hear it?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, sure, the Egyptians.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Okay, So Set is a god of desert, storm, disordered
violence foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion. In ancient Greek, the
god's name is given as Seth. Set has a positive
role where he companied accompanied raw on. When I first
read this, I thought it said barbecue, but it's not.

(10:46):
It's Barque, the god.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Of barbecue was in Egyptian times.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, so now we know, you know. But to repel Apep,
the serpent of chaos, Set had a vital role as
a as a reconciled combatant. He was Lord of the
Red Land, the desert, where he was the balance to Horace,
lord the Horse, to Horse's role as lord of the

(11:13):
Black Land, which is the fertile land. In the Osiris myth,
the most important Egyptian myth, Set is portroyed as portrayed
as the usurper who murdered and mutilated his own brother, Osiris.
Osiris's sister wife Isis, reassembled his corpse resurrected her dead

(11:33):
brother slash husband with the help of the goddess Niphius.
The resurrection lasted long enough to conceive his son and
their heir, Horace. Horace sought revenge upon Set, and many
of the ancient Egyptian myths described their conflicts. So then

(11:59):
and it goes on. But I mean, you know, oh,
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I used to love ancient Egypt. You know, all the
mythology surrounding all those gods, because it was just interesting
to me. It was such a pantheon.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, I was a Greek mythology kid man by like
fifth grade, Like I knew you couldn't tell me anything.
I didn't know about Greek mythology. Well.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Set's parents were named Geb and Nut.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, Geb and Nut sounds like.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
They were, like, I don't know, GiB, how are you
you know down south? To be Jeb and Nut.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Sounds right, Yeah, talking to.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Sounds an awful lot of deep South to me.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I didn't realize that Anubis was his offspring, So Set's.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Offspring, okay, hm, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Set is a beast not identified with any known animal,
although it could be seen as resembling a silk, an
ard vark, an African wild dog, a donkey, a dunk donkey,
a donkey, a hyena, a jackal, a pig, an antelope,
a giraffe, or a phennic fox. Hm.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Oh human eybrids that they are.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, that was interesting too, Like they all have the
heads of preachers, so uh huh. Yeah, it seems warish,
but you know, it does kind of look like an artwork,
doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of what an art work
it looks like. And I've drawn a blame.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Do you remember the ard vark from the Saturday Morning cartoons?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Come on, it's got a long snout face.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Okay there, all right, I'm back in the game.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Give me a second guy, as my cats are in
the other room, tearn each other up. So talk about.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
HM.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
So I was reading this, this apache myth, the Killing
of the Monsters and Ei. There is no way in
hell I'm gonna be able to ever to be able
to pronounce these names nian Nai. In this a Gani

(14:52):
came where elk had been killing people. He could not
get near it, although he tried to approach it from
every side. Then another person came to him to be
his partner, my companion. He said, I will gnaw off
the hair on his breast for you. Having done this,
he returned saying, now go to him. Niagasani went to him,

(15:18):
made motions four times, and then shot him. He hid
in one of the holes that his partner had made.
The elk broke out of the uppermost hole. Nigasani went
to the next hole. The elk broke broke that out also.
He then went into mother, which elk also broke out.

(15:42):
He went into the bottom tunnel. Just as elk broke
out of this, he fell down dead. The partner came
up to him and said, the breast will be mine.
He skinned it and took the hide. He also chopped
off one of the horns, filled two blood vessels with blood,

(16:03):
and spread the hide in the sun until it was drunk.
He started away toward the eagle. When he came to him,
he wrapped the elk kid about himself and went out
into the open place. When he swooped down, the eagle
attempted to drive his talents into him, but could not
penetrate the hide. He flew up without getting a hold

(16:26):
of him. He came to him again, but failed to
get his talents in. Again, he flew up again. He
came back, and, having failed, flew away again. Then he
came back and drove his talents and drove in his talents.
He flew away to his home with the man. He
brought him to his young. When they bent their heads

(16:50):
over him, he said, father, when we put our heads
down to it, it says one of them, said, do
not mind it. Go ahead and eat the air coming
out of the wound, makes that noise. Then the blood
flowed through the opening, and the old eagle flew away.
Oh it goes on and on and on.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Good grief.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
That lost me.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yep, me too.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
What was it supposed to be the story of.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
The killing of the monsters?

Speaker 6 (17:29):
Yeah, okay, I'll have to read I'll have to read that.
I have a link to it, but I just didn't
have time to read it before tonight.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's worded like it was like it was maybe taken
as directly translated as possible.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
It sounds like it.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah, pronouns use them, and so okay, let's see.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So there is another creature that.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I've read about.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
It was pretty cool, and I'm going to let's see
if I can get us all over on the third side.
It's a stude. Where are we him or it? I
should say, big owl. He's like a big boogeyman, and
you know owls get there. I don't know, like Litusa

(18:36):
is owl woman and this dude's like big owl dude.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Right yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
And you know, like he's a reoccurring villain in Apache tales.
Apparently he's described obviously as a huge owl like creature
kind of humanoid with sharp claws and an appetite for
human especially children, of course, because we want to tell
those stories to keep the kids from wandering off. Yeah,

(19:07):
this is interesting. He travels at night, which I guess
that's not too interesting, but he is said to mimic
the voices of people the victims know in order to
lure them out. So that's that's like a theme that
kind of stretches across a bunch of.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
A bunch of lore.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
What weirded me out recently. I just saw is somebody
that was on like YouTube or whatever, like a short,
but someone like pointed or put their finger in an
aiwl's chest and it sinks, like oh yeah yeah, And
I was like what, Like I don't know. It just

(19:53):
gave me the heavy GBS. Like I was like, I
was like, you just went right through the asp. But
like they're not to shift gears, but their skeleton is
like the size of pigeons, but they're you know, huge
freaking birds. They're all yeah, they're all fluff.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
We've got an ol crime scene last time we were
out and dog Man Ranch. Oh really yeah, anw and
tour it apart.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's where I got this.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Mm hmm okay, mm hm hm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well that sucks for mister owl.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, there was like just a bunch of feathers and
one wing intact. That was it.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Oh my god, they're like animalistic or humanistic.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, well, I think it was an animal whatever tore up.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I can't imagine there's a lot of people running around
out there because it's pretty.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah fast, there's tweakers everywhere.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
They would have had to have crossed a lot of
private land and like like cattle, like they probably would
have run into a bull or two on the way,
I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, not only that, once you get in there, you
got to find your way out if you don't know
your way around.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, we couldn't find our way out.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
How big is this spot?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Two thousand acres?

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's see. That's the same kind
of thing we're talking about the desert, you know what
I mean, like the you know, when you're out there
like that, that's you're freaking out there kind of like
we were talking about in the last one of the last shows.
We're doing what we were talking about, having enough provisions

(21:49):
and such for in case you get caught out because
I mean it's hard for you know, when I was
a city kid and I first came out here to
the country, just the family's property alone, it was ten acres.
That to me was like vast, Like I can imagine
that much, that much foliage in woods and you know,

(22:13):
but I mean city blocks, no problem. You can go
twenty thirty city blocks or miles all day long.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
And because you can spot landmarks, you can spot buildings
right you know out there.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
You know, it's if you know what you're looking at
the country, you can spot right.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah. Yeah, like parts of rivers and bens and stuff
like that. But I mean i'd be total blair witch
and be like we've we're in the same part of
the we just went in circles. Well you know, like yeah,
i'd be I'd be totally.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah. It's uh, I guess it's a lot different. I
feel way morelays in the country than I do in
the middle of a city. That's rue.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely in the middle.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Of the woods.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, it's weird that transition, Like like because when I
was a city kid, when we first moved out to
the country, like I couldn't sleep because there wasn't headlights
and cars and you know, people yelling outside, you know,
like it was it was too quiet, you know. So

(23:23):
I was in a an uncomfortable stage. Now if I
go stay out in the city, you know, like now
I'm like, would y'all shut the hell.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Get that way with myre b and B.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
You get used to you know, you get used to
a certain sound.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
It takes a while your environment. Yeah, you get comfortable
in your an environment, you know, but still, like you
were saying, once you get to really really far out isolation,
for me, it's just creepy, like I don't care you
get to like a like on Big Ben, Like Big

(24:10):
Ben to me, borderline scares the hell out of me.
You know. It's like that's because you know, well you that.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Megala fear right, You're afraid of big things, and a
big emptiness is a big thing, you know. Yeah, I
can understand where that would make you uneasy.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, there's a terrifying I never thought of it, you know,
because I've never been on one. But some dude he
was on he was on a cruise and he just
went out and took like he's taking like video of
like everybody partying on the cruise. And all the lights
and everything, and you know, everyone's kicking in having a
good time, and he's like, does the one eighty out

(24:55):
to fast nothingness? And I was like, would you do
that to me?

Speaker 6 (25:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:07):
I was like, I never thought of that, because you know,
you're thinking of the structure that you're on, not that
that structure is a spit in a you know, a
five gallon bucket, you know what I mean. You know
you're nothing out there compared to everything around you.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean I've never been on
a cruise. I don't particularly care to go on a
cruise either, But I just don't know how I would do, Like,
I don't know how my claustrophobia would do it. And
I think a lot of people think of claustrophobia as
like confined, tiny little spaces. It's any restrictive for me anyway.
It's any restrictive space. Like if I can't walk out

(25:48):
this door and walk down the street if I feel
like it, I like something in my head starts turning
the wrong way. Like that's why I freak out on airplanes.
It's not because I'm afraid to fly. It's that fine
space thing and a cruise ship is essentially the same thing.
Even though they're giant, you're still confined. I can, like

(26:09):
if I need to get off the ship, like I
don't like the motion. I can't just like to go
for a walk, work it off.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
You can't like, Okay, this ride has over. Let me off.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, helicopter me out. Hit the panic button, helicopter me.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, I need help, I need help. Help.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, don't chopping me out. I'm scared.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Put me in the hells of the ship, in the
tiny room with no windows, like close to the whatever
they are the because they have the big levelers what
do they call balancers something like to keep the ship
from doing muge of that.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
It's like the inertial dampers they're using the star trek.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, yeah, like that exactly, but in the ocean without
the what kind of crystal is it?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Oh uh.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Uh lithium crystal.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, like that, but without space in the dilytheum crystals.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, cotton, We've got to recharge of the lithium crystals.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm giving a roll.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I got there.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, I'm a doctor not I'm not a bricklayer.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'm a doctor, not an engineer.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Because mister, so okay, we I think we covered this
before if I'm not mistaken, But would you rather be
caught in the vastness of space or in the dastness
of the ocean? No, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Depends what you mean by caught.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, like you're out there my own or we'll go
We'll go either raft or submarine, because I think submarine
would be scary, you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Put me in a submarine all day long. That's what
I wanted to do when I first wanted to join
the military.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
But like even in like those like what is that
the freaking giant trench and all that where there's like
a like orange Mariana trench, the Marinera trench, spaghetti.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Cheese sticks or those submarines giant.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, you're just waiting for the blue Meanies and the
Beatles to float by in their yellow submar.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Get your gas mix wrong, you will mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
See to me, that's that that would be the more
frightening because of the.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Thank you for pointing out.

Speaker 8 (29:23):
So kind.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Nowadays nowadays I would be like, yeah, we need the
pooh stuck in a damn hole.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
But so I don't know, Breezy, what would you rather
be stuck in? I choose no neither.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
If there is such a thing as space, it would
be space.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, space scares me, but the ocean scares me too.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
But you know, I mean I'd rather, I'd rather go
to space, like because there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Else nothing to do with space that it's scary.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I'm not worried about a giant space monster, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
But worry about space monsters either. It's terrifying enough without
that ship in there.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
But you if I see a bloop go through my
submarine window passed by, like yeah, no, game over, get
me out of here. No, I'm not dealing with it.
There's too much, too much unknown, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well really, I mean, if you go deep enough in
the ocean, it's like being out.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
In space, Like, yeah, tell you cross that giant squid.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Wow, micro meteorites have across the path of micro meteorites.
You want that coming at you that you like, microwaves
shooting out, you get, you know, the you get, you know,
you cross the event horizon of a black hole. Like
there's so much shit.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Okay, yeah, all right, I didn't I didn't add that
in the fact that yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, black holes if they're active, you can see right
because the well, I forget what they call it, and
there's the event horizon. But as the matter gathers, it
moves so fast it creates like visible light yep. Because
I can't figure out because I mean, it must be

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right at the event horizon because once it goes in
light can't escape.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
That mm hmm yep. In in theory.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, So screw screw that. Screw that. Don't want
anything to do with it. Don't want my don't want
X rays, I don't want microwaves. I don't want to
get near a quasar, apulsear a black hole.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Right, And and you know now that you open that
up in my in my nugget, thanks a lot.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Like just just the idea of how large stuff is,
you know, supposedly in space, Like if I came across
as as our sun is, but one that was like
forty million times that size, like that would just be
ultra Megan, my heart would just give out. I'd chug

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a bottle of whiskey and die not dealing with that.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
No, no, put me under the water.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I don't go down there either. I don't want to
go tell stuff's trying to eat me. I'm good.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Oh you know, I was thinking about this earlier when
you said the topic not to shift gears, you know,
once again. But I wonder if there is an overlaying
map of UFO kind of like we did with the
four one one and the cavernous systems. I wonder if
there's a continuation with that and the UFO sightings over

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cavernous systems, you know what I mean. I wonder if
that's Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I think if there isn't, that would be an excellent
thing for somebody to do, right, that would be some
very interesting data.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
There's a lot of anything.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Want to whip that out?

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, but yeah, so, I mean because if you think
about it, like a lot of them do have parallels
like Mount Shasta and you know all those which you're
both you know, missing forward on locations as well as
you know all of Earth's locations. Mm hmmm and UFO side.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
You know, that would be interesting Texas on it.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Hey, Maddie, mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Let's see here there's one for UFO hotspot map correlates
to dark sky locations.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Okay, I imagine they're considerably easier to see in a
dark sky.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, that kind of makes sense. I cannot. I
don't see anything that has correlation of UFO sightings versus
deep ocean spots.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Thank you, mid South squatch.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I agree, Hey, mid South, how you doing, man? I
haven't seen anyone.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't know what he said, but he said, no.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
One's ever been beyond the crystal instructure that covers the
Earth known as the firmament. I know I spilled that wrong.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Okay, well, no, wonder Greezy's agreeing with him. That is what.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's actually pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
My my cousin called me blue and I forgot how
the subject transitioned into the show, and because being here,
were going off on different.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Theories and conspiracy theories whatever people want to call it.
And uh, He's like, I was talking about the you know,
the flat earth thing. I'm like, yeah, I finally came
out on you know. He's like, oh, He's like, I know,
I can see Monica's face every time he talk about it.
She gets this look like you gotta be freaking kidding me.

(35:39):
And I was like, yeah, I never noticed it, but
she's real subtle with those looks. But yeah, I'm gonna
actually have him on sometime soon because he's been doing

(35:59):
a lot of recent search into our genealogy, I guess
you could say, or whatever have gotten Apparently, Uh, I
got almost as much Cherokee in me as I have
Apache in so through our grandmother and grandfather on my

(36:19):
mother's side. So yeah, I was like, yeah, And he
was actually talking about the one of the main reasons
why I wanted to have him on his U. He
traced back some of the some of the very first
what would you call it, uh, realizations and articles about

(36:43):
the first serial killers, and one of the very first
serial killers was right here in Austin, Texas.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Was killing killing the maids and stuff the yeah there
you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
The milk made axe murderer that some people God blessed
these cats. Uh. I think that it was like, what
was it, Jack the Ripper somebody? Oh no, the axe
murderer from New Orleans.

Speaker 9 (37:16):
Yeah, okayry guys, I gotta keep turning my camera, no
you get, But yeah, I thought that'd be a pretty
interesting subject.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Is he's he.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
When he nerds out on.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Something like he goes to the to the depths of
the rabbit hole. He doesn't just brush over him. He's like, yeah,
he'll he's one of those very retainable knowledge type of cats,
and he'll just like when he went down the mafia
rabbit hole, like he could tell you freaking everything in

(37:56):
the world about the mafia and the Italian and the
black hands and all this. I'm like, dude, where do
you get the time for.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Crazy stuff? The servant girl murders?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
There you go, it's the tax man in Austin.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Eighteen eighty five. It was right, it actually it was
right as Austin had became the capital, I think, and
they were growing and they didn't have the police force
to handle everything, right, and it was he was he
was going in people's houses and dragging and dragging him

(38:40):
out and killing them in the backyard, you know. And
it didn't really get any attention until I think there
was two white girls that were killed and they blamed
it on their husbands, but I suppose they're not the

(39:03):
ones that did it. Sure, mid you live in Austin.

Speaker 10 (39:08):
Now in Austin mid South, Oh, Carol, Hello, Madeline.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Was Rock and Roy in.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Here Rock and Roy.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
She's bad ass.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
A bunch of our people are badass and chat.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, where's my buddy? She was in here. He said
he was tired, but he was in here.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Seen her earlier, but he said he had to get
up and go to work early.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
About that, Maddie Mickey g.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
So, my friend told me a freaky story about when
he was driving through the desert at night with his
uncle and his cousin. And I mean, I say, desert
West Texas. That's desert to me, like the far West Texas.

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It's a nice flat strip of ugly. It can't stand
it out there. But he was driving the oil fields
because he used to work in the oil fields. And
I don't know what he was doing, but he was.
It was like one two in the morning. He was out,
his uncle was driving. He was in the passenger seat,
and they were driving down one of the roads with

(40:32):
his his cousin was in the middle. And he said
that there was a person that they saw and the
person started running alongside the car, running alongside the truck,
like keeping up with the truck. And I said, well,

(40:54):
what did they look like? And he goes because I
was telling him about my dog man.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
No no no, no, no no no no no no no no no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well, now you joke that there are things that will
keep up with the trucks out there. And I was
telling him about my dog man encounter and I was
I told him I was reluctant to tell him because
I saw something nobody will believe I saw. And he
was like, I got one too. So he goes, if
you tell me, I'll tell you what I saw. So

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I told him like the gist of what I saw.
I didn't want to get deep into the story because
like people who aren't into this just you sound like
a complete in that case. And he's like, oh, he goes,
I believe you, he goes, and then he told me
the story. You know, they were driving, dude started running
beside the car and I said, well, when he looked,
you know, he was like running beside kind of looking

(41:45):
to the car and keeping up with them and trying
to get ahead of him. And I said, well, what
did he look like? And he goes, he didn't have
a face.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
It was like.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Blurry, like where the feature should be. He's like, he
did not have a face, but he was keeping up
with the car. And I said, well that's scary. He goes, yeah,
you think the crap out of all of us, he goes.
My uncle floored, it just floored. It was making that
truck as fast as he could down those roads, and
it stayed with him for like ten minutes and then

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it peeled off into the desert.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, that I wouldn't have went. Okay, you want to play,
you know right? Yeah, side swipe?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, but do you want that cling into you? If
it's able to run fast enough to keep up with
the truck, what makes you think it couldn't cling to
the bank my head.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Thanks for the ride, lady.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I saw a meme for that the other day.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
I had an equal but opposite uh experience on that.
It was back in like the mid nineties when I
was first like coming out and hanging out in the
bass Drop area, and it was before Bastrop got big.
I think there's like a McDonald's, you know, but this is,
you know, I guess what you would consider the rural

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part of bass Drop. And it was like it was
like three in the morning and me and my buddy
were driving, you know, down this freaking farm road out
of mid of nowhere, no houses anywhere around. It's all
like ranch and field and stuff. And we're actually coming

(43:30):
around which is an actual filming of a filming location
for Texas Change saw Massacre two, which I didn't know
til decades later. But so we're coming around this bend
and then there's there's a drop hill and there was
this guy. And this is like three in the morning.

(43:53):
Nothing's out there, there's no lights, there's no houses. You know,
it's like you have to go fifteen minutes doing sixty
five miles an hour to get from you know, one
stoplight to where you next his civilization. There was this
dude standing on the freaking side of the road, like
staring at the road, you know, so basically staring sideways

(44:16):
and like all black and it had like almost like
a trench coat, but it wasn't a trench coat. It
was just completely black head to toe, just staring. So
like when I look at my passenger window, he's like
staring right at me as we drive and I was like, yeah,
uh no, I'm good on this, you know, like it

(44:39):
was it was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
But like, what was he doing out there? There's nothing
out there? You know, he had to have walked, you know,
fifteen to twenty miles just to be and why was
he not like walking down the road like right, yeah,
I don't know. It was just very out of place
and it just sent you know, chills down your spine.

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It was like abby normal, very much abby normal.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Not Yeah, you didn't pull over and ask the guy
what was going on?

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Oh no, like suggested they hit the dude running beside it.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, no, I did not, we did, we Yeah, yeah,
it was. It was. It was one of those things
where when as soon as we got to the house,
I was I was packing my botanicals and trying to
forget that I ever saw that it was. It was
freaking yeah, it was. It was really weird.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
And it.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Was one of the few times that I'd been out,
you know, in this direction, so it was, uh, I
don't know, it was it was a new, new location,
new you know, So it was it was just, uh,
I don't know, man just rubbed me the wrong way.
Seemed very paranormalist to me, kind of give a men

(46:07):
in black type of dude was just standing out in
the middle of nowhere watching you drive by when you're
the only car on the road of three in the morning,
you know, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
It would be creepier, is if, like the next night
they were just standing at the end of your driveway. Yeah,
the place like like those creepy twins from that movie,
the creepy like white haired kids just.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Right, just see Texas, Texas. That's while we have firearms. Yeah,
get off the grayss.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
So how do you think that? I mean, what was
have you guys watch Family Guy?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, I can help it.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
So the pervy old dude. Can you imagine BPS kids
encountering him?

Speaker 3 (47:11):
How would that?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I don't know what mister act there at the emergency
room with his wife heating up round over Madge and
never I'm so sorry. We'll be praying.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, I sorry to hear that. Cp D is a
rough thing. That's what my father passed away from. It's
not an easy thing to endure.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Nope, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Y Kimber's dad.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
We haven't seen her in chat for a while, but
Kimber's dad passed to wait today.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Oh, I'm sorry, Kimber. I am sorry to hear.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
That I saw Madeline as when the next time we're
gonna be in Austin. I'd lived pretty much in Austin. Well,
I'm like twenty minutes from the airport.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
So I need to get out in the field more so,
I am open to Austin adventures, especially since I'm gonna
have a lot of time on my hands here pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
So oh, don't you worry about that. I'm gonna I'm
going to have you running around.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Well, it has to be places I want to go
or I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Thanks, thank you, thank you. That is awesome.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
So we.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
You know, I go to click the show and then
it moves up and you end up the wrong one.
Sorry about that, Thank you, rich Renner. So I am
open to adventures because I feel I feel my my
adventure stories are stale. I need some new ones. I

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need to get out there because the only way you
get cool action adventure stories is to get out where.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
The well we need to get you to go actually
spend some time in Brown Springs.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Mm hmmm, yeah, okay. I mean, I don't know if
I really want to spend a lot of time during
Pinata Spider season, especially you know, I've got the Jason
McLean level spider terror.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Just you know, well, how about one? How about we
put that into books for the fall?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
That works like once all the spiders have gone back
to hell where they belong. We can not all of them,
but a majority of them. I would I will camp
in the ice to not worry about those things. And
I don't think people understand they're not just like cute
little how these things. These things knock. I mean you

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hear an audible like you hear it, and then they
shake their fists, set you as you.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
D Thanks for the ride, lady.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
And if you're super lucky, some of them might clean
enough to say hi to you in your driveway when
you get.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
So.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yes, I will spend time in Brown Springs. I don't
want to spend that much time during Pinata spider season.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Where's Brown Springs at Oklahoma?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah it's right on the Red River on the border
with Oklahoma and Texas. Yeah, it's about an hour from me.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Well, when y'all do come down to us, and we're
definitely gonna have to go grub at the gas station, Yeah,
we'll do that. We'll get some get some barbecue, and.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
We can put like a quick weekend together. And you
point out like where we need to go investigate.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I can do that. There's actually Maddie.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
And get the whole crew together.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
And go up. Yeah, we could go we could go
investigate that that dollhouse museum.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, there's a there's a good couple. There's there's one
that it's like right, I think it's called Masa Park.
It used to be the only road from like where
Austin Berstrom International Uppart is now, but it used to

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be military base. It was just Birstrom Air Force Base
and that was like the only way in and out
through the south side of that location. And there's a
bridge there that's supposed to be mad paranormalish activity going on,
and the only way you can get to it now

(52:34):
is through walking because it was like I think it
was so old that it was originally started as like
a wagon trail and then eventually got paved and now
it's it's it's completely taken over by the park. But yeah,
so I'd say within twenty five minutes from you know,

(52:57):
in a circumference from the guest is probably good. We
have four or five paranormal locations we can check out
cool and I think pretty soon when the weather when
the when the weather cools down a little bit, Uh,
there's gonna be some the activity at the gas station

(53:21):
is gonna ramp up where we're gonna have a bunch
of horror movie actors and actresses coming out and and
and they do autographs and all that stuff. But really,
the whole main the whole main thing is is just
a big party between Bigfoot, horror people freaking whole nine
yards like paranormal people like you'll, you'll make good connections

(53:45):
and network. There's a there's a lot of them that
come out to this but or it turned out to
that spot when we have those events.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
You know, there's got well I know there is. There's
some places around Austin that's had dog Man activity.

Speaker 11 (54:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, what is the East
two nineties got quite a few of them.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Yeah. It's like, and I think I've said this before, Yeah,
we've yeah, I mentioned this before. It's like Bigfoot stays
on one side of thirty five and dog Man stays
on the other, the right, right, But there there have
been Yeah, I've actually read stories about like that same

(54:38):
kind of concept where people will be driving like North
thirty five from like San Marcos, uh towards Austin area,
and dog Man will literally be running alongside the car
and then leap over the median be on the other
side of the highway before they know it for real.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
That's like and a hundred people didn't see that. Is
there like a low period of traffic.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
In that Yeah, in the middle of the night, in
the middle of the night. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
I would imagine there's a fair amount not like packed,
but a fair amount of traffic like around the clock.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
It depends and it depends on what part of the
highway you're on too, also, because like everyone gets off
like and so save you're coming from San Antonio towards Austin,
not everyone's going to Austin. A lot of cats that
get off and Shirts area or New Brothels, and so

(55:34):
it'll thin in between the you know, the more major towns.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I mean I could see, okay, so Shirts and then
the well there's a town like east of Shirts and
I forget it starts at the.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, Universal Universal City.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, but I mean Sybilo wasn't tightly like super tightly packed.
It seems like acreage around out there.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
It is now because that's where wood he lives. And
when I went to go see him, because I was
just dropping Gin and the Kiddle off with her mom
and I was going to my uncle's in Sagein, and
so I stopped in Sibylo to uh just say what's up.
And it's you wouldn't even believe your eyes. It's like

(56:26):
cookie cutter houses, you know, like the big two story
that are like five feet away from each other, you know,
as far as the eye can see. You know, it's
it's it's I'm like, dude, what the hell happens? Because
I remember when it was just downtown Sibylo and you
had like Harmon's and and then then before you know,
you're on what I think it's seventy eight or seventy nine,

(56:50):
and then you go to Marion and all those but
you're out in the middle of fast nothingness. And now
it's it's kind of melded together. Like when y'all came
down through for the San Antonio Comference. I'm pretty sure
you saw like the same kind of thing used to be.
It was like Round Rock than Flugerville, then Austin, you know,

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and there's like big breaks of nothing in between.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
And now it's just like I'm big, yeah, all bled together. Yeah,
it's all one starts, one stops anymore.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah, yeah, because it's been years since I've been down there. Yeah,
because the last time San Antonio I went, I don't know,
it's to something out of Fort Worth. I took the
long route because I can't stand. Thirty five scares me,
Like I really feel like I'm going to get hurt
on thirty five. Like I don't want to be on
thirty five ever if I can help it.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, we went. We went. Uh we went thirty five
all the way down when we went.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah, that's what we did. But it had been years
and like I said, it had been years since I've
been down thirty five. And I remember, like like Breezy said,
like there were clumps of towns on the way, yeah,
and I did not recognize that because I was like,
oh shit, we're in Austin or.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
But speaking of the the like we were talking earlier
about UFOs being more over dense and isolated places. You know,
I've seen more UFO activity in like Austin and Round Rock,
you know, when it was city city, you know, like
than I ever had out in the country. I think
I've had maybe three, maybe four UFO sidings out here

(58:38):
in the Bass Drop area. And when I was a kid,
I mean i'd see five or six UFOs in the summertime,
you know, out like North Austin or South Austin. You know,
they were everywhere. So yeah, that kind of sparked just
a thought in my head about it.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I want to see a UFO, dude, like and like,
I have a very strong desire to not have any
kind of contact, just because traditionally, you know, when a
higher civilization encounters a lesser civilization, a lesser civilization is

(59:19):
usually screwed, right, Yeah, I don't doubt that, you know,
we're already screwed in so many ways. I don't want
to be on the receiving end of that, you know,
until like maybe something happens in mass Like, I don't
want to be like picked out of a crowd right

(59:43):
to be able to see I'm good. I don't want
to see a UFO. I don't want alien contact. I'm okay,
I am aimed. Okay.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah. When I was a kid, I thought it was cool.
Like the first couple of times a song I was
like shocking, but I was still young enough, you know,
you're talking third fourth grade was the first time I
think I saw him out in North Austin, and I
don't know, like, yeah, you're startled by it, but you

(01:00:17):
just you still got that You're young enough to where
you got that adventurous factor, so you're like, whoa, you know,
like check it out?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, young probably, I mean I actually, yeah, I don't know.
If I would have chased it, I might have been
like m I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
There's a lot of probing I heard, right, Yeah, yeah,
according to a couple of people, I now have the
Golden prob Awards. So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
You have a Golden Probe award.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, you know you get abductor Golden probe you know,
Golden pro ward you know, mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yeah I think I got one of those. Is yeah,
I can't Yeah, I don't. I had a missing time incident.
I've told you them here before. I'm not going to
get back into it. But yeah, so yeah, there's there's
a good chance.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah I don't know. Yeah, like a tornado, I'd like
to see a tornado from way far away. Maybe I
could handle a UFO from like way far like abducting
somebody elf, or maybe some cows in a pasture, like
hide behind a tree and witness a right. I don't
want it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
No, So yeah, that is kind of like if you
if you break it down, I guess that is one
of the more safer things you think about UFO because
you're seeing it from a distance. Like even if it's
within you know, a few blocks away and you know,
a couple of hundred maybe three four hundred feet in
the air, you know it's still in your nugget. You know,

(01:01:52):
it's like, that's far away. But like if it can't
but if it came down to like, uh, like a creature, right,
like a dog man or a moth man or something
like that, the only way you're gonna see it is
if it's really freaking close, Like it's got to be
within you know, fifty to one hundred feet or so.

(01:02:12):
You know, you'd be like, what is that? And by
the time you can identify it, you're within catching distance.
You know, it only has to take.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
For it fast. Yeah, those like even though I think
it's far away, it's a false sense of security. I'm sure,
but you know, there go my lights. If it could
maybe be preoccupied with something else, like and I'm still
not convinced that UFOs are doing the cattle abductions. I

(01:02:43):
think that's a government. Yeah, I think it's a government
with the cattle mutilations and the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Even the old old ones like the like the mid
to late forties and all that, not to test their.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Shut out just because we didn't know about it doesn't
mean and it wasn't advanced at the time, Like they
worked twenty years at least behind with the governments showing this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Is true at least.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, at least, so yeah, why not or maybe maybe? Okay,
So I also think that they probably have live specimens
of various you know, intergalactic ethnicity, you know, and maybe

(01:03:36):
the first few were legitimate, you know, UFO experiments and
the government's like, well, what's this about. They explain what
they're doing, and the government's like, well, some good idea,
let's do that, and then we'll blame it on you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Right, yeah, reverse engineering, and then yeah, and then you
got the perfect alibi. Yeah, you know. And then and
then when people see he goes you're crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Believe you. I do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I do think it's our government, because there's I've read
so many and heard so many accounts of ranchers who
see like it, not necessarily UFOs, but like even government
helicopters kind of scout in the area prior to mutilations
or the discovery of mutilations. And I really do think

(01:04:24):
that it's our government just doing experiments and using the
UFO thing to not to allow that and allow the
public to think that's what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Right. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't kick that one out of bed.
So what do y'all know much about Allister Crowley?

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
I do know some.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
So this is kind of a weird one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
If anyone gets a wild hair, uh, do him digging
on this one, because there's this whole theory that because
you know how like the UFO thing hit big in
forty five and all that, you know with Roswell and
the whole nine yards. But there's this theory that talks

(01:05:16):
about right before then. So it was Alistair Crowley.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
What was that cat's name?

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
He worked for Jeff Propulsions. Oh, he ended up blowing
himself up Jack Parsons, Jack Carsons, and so it goes
him and Jack Parsons and this chick were doing like

(01:05:49):
ritualistic magic and opening portals, you know, but he ended
up losing control and he couldn't shut him back down,
and he was talking to this uh, this entity. Yeah,
and you're right, I read Jimmy page did by the house,

(01:06:10):
but uh that he was talking to this entity called
Lamb l A M. And if you look at like
his drawings of Lamb, it's a freaking it's But this
is you got to remember this is pre little Gray
Men type, you know, was before like anybody spotted the Grays,

(01:06:32):
you know what I mean. But it was it's exact
big bulbou his head, big eyes, no knows, little bitty
mouth like and he was drawing this thing and talking
to it, and it was it was telling him how
to open up, you know, portals to different dimensions and
so yeah, so it's kind of like one of those

(01:06:53):
things where he he he opened up a rip in
either time and space or dimensional travel or whatever, and
then right after that became the big alien surge, you
know what I mean. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Concern too, Yep, exactly,

(01:07:18):
just with black magic and stuff. Sure, yeah, but yeah,
if if any of the you know, people in the chat,
if you if you haven't heard about it, yeah, check
it out. Go down that that one. It's it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Pretty So you have to be so careful when you're
doing that stuff because you can open you can open
things if you don't know how to close it. You think,
you know, no guarantees. Maybe something's given you information because
it doesn't want it closed. You know, be so careful, like,

(01:07:52):
don't call up what you can't put down. That's not
just spirits.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
M I agree, Yeah, go call them to gnomes and
fairies and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
You know, I don't want to mess it up, like, yeah,
you know, but if something happens and you can't close
every door you opened or whatever, I mean, yeah, spirit
that you conjured. That that's really freaky to me. Is
conjuring something?

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yep, there's a wall reasonable control it. Yeah, I agree,
but yeah, that's that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
What you're looking at text he's researching mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
I can see it in his eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
And in the beard in the glasses.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I watched a movie on Briegie's recommendation the other night.
Oh which one strange darling? Oh, how'd you like it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
I liked it that that chick did an absolutely great
acting job. I mean, she acted that thing out great,
like no arguments and no I could tell she's byessing
she I don't know if she's a method actor or what,
but she nailed it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, if you like, uh you like serial Killer Top Things?

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, good movie, yeah with a twist, Yeah, very cool. Yeah,
you gotta check it out, like it's it's it's a
good one. Strange darling, Okay, yeah, it's just really good. Oh.
I was gonna ask you what was the name of

(01:09:48):
the freaking movie it should be out by now that
we were talking about back in uh a few months ago,
and it said if the Robert Johnson thing kind of
like the Robert Johnston mixed with the vampires or.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I forget oh yeah, the twenties.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah, yeah, because that should be like it's not out yet.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I think it comes out in June or July.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
I thought it was like April, like mid April. Really yeah,
I think so. I forgot the name of it, so
I couldn't. I'm like Robert Johnson Vampires and my phone's like,
you're stupid. I was like, well yeah, but still sooner,

(01:10:38):
uh did Sinners?

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Let's see when is that coming out?

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
That noon werewolf movie should be out?

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I think yeah, so it actually comes out tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Oh, which one?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Sinners is released in the United States April eighteenth, twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Now I'm going to see that because that thing looks
so good and it's actually going to tie into it'll
tie in nicely to a book that I'm going to
do for book club. It's gonna start book club, and
I'm going to anybody who wants to join. I'm going
to tell you what book we're going to be doing,
and I'm going to tell you when to join me
in which chapters to read.

Speaker 12 (01:11:27):
That sounds like school, just like doing a podcast, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:11:38):
A responsible podcast or clearly I'm not, because I'll roll
in here like noll A're going to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I watched the new version, well, the Lewist version. The
series is the stand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
M Yeah yeah, the book pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Yeah yeah, it wasn't bad. I had a few cloms
with it, but it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Too bad, I thought, I mean because it came out
like during the pandemic, Yeah, yeah, which I thought was
hilarious because okay, that is I will say that that
is the one book by Stephen King that I couldn't
read because it was way too like probable, like back

(01:12:35):
in the day, like I was like, this could totally happen. This,
I mean, I want outlandish things that you know, maybe
yeah maybe ye yeah maybe that could happen. This is
like no one that could, like totally.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah, a killer car that fixes itself and then runs people's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
They come back, you know, spirits haunting this particular stretcher.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I mean, what was the what was the one about
the aliens and the fungus and Tommy Knockers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Oh no, no, it was like it's not Cavin in
the Woods, but it's is it a king? Yeah, because
I because I know it and I broke it down.
I was like, yeah, he went out to a cabin
ate something bad, got the he got the squirts and
that's how he came up. Because like all of his books,

(01:13:27):
you can kind of like see what was going down,
like Monkey Shines, I was like right after he got
hit by the car, you know, and and all that.
So I'm like, yeah, the Hostile Kingdom Hospital, Oh no,
I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
It was a mini series and it was he wrote
that while he was recovering after he got hit by
the car, and it like it's clearly paralleling because the
main character gets it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Yeah, but what Patrick Freak? You two shadows?

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Oh what did he call him? Ship Weasels?

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:14:12):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
I still feel like out of all of them, I
still feel like the Stand is like just the virus, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
The main Oh yeah, no doubt uh. But you know, well,
the Stand is my favorite Stephen King book.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
I stopped reading King after Desperation because I didn't like
After Needful Things. I didn't like the ending of Castle
Rock because that was the last book of Castle Rock,
and I don't know, it just kind of always kept
me in that world. So yeah, once once I've read
Desperation and I was like, all right, I read the show.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
I've read I read Chris thing Kujo, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Stand you read Carrie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I haven't read Carrie.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Carrie is a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Did you read his short stories? Like night Shift? Night
Shift was my favorite for the longest time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Night Shift is dope. I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
I like Salem's Lot. I do like Salem's Lot. It's
a good book.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Do you know the reason why some of them are
called Jerusalem's Lot and the others are called Salem's Lot?
I long just wondered that they.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
They explain it, and gosh, I'm trying to remember it
had something to do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
The Myst is really good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah, yeah, the Mist is good, but it's a short
story inside of I think night Shift or one of them.
But and that was like one of my favorite short
stories from him was The Mess. And it does not
end like the movie. It has a like you decide
how it ends kind of ending, like what do you

(01:16:06):
think happened? But Jerusalem's Lot, the way they explain it
has something to do with a pig like this old
It's not like spooky necessarily, it's it's it has something to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Do with Oh. So it is a totally different because
I always thought it was just like maybe like the
first draft or whatever, you know, like generation one of
the book. And then Salem's Lot was different.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
No, no, No, Salem's Lot, Jerusalem's Lot was. I'm trying
to remember because it's been a hot minute since I
read it. Jerusalem's Lot is what the locals called it.
And they got the name Jerusalem's Lot from like a
farmer's pig that got killed or something. But it's not

(01:16:55):
it's not like a supernatural thing. It's just like like
a scandalous thing that happened at the time in it.
I want to I don't remember if the pig's name
was Jrue, I don't remember, but it had something to
do with a farmer and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
A pig Hatfield. McCoy's type stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Was good. Misery is a good read. She is a
lot more brutal in the book than she ever thought
about being in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I probably couldn't do that stuff in the movies.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Yeah, the the ankle thing was a lot worse and
the book, we'll just put it that way as far
as I remember it, because I read all the old
ones as much as I could, so like I do,
because Kujo was my first when I was like, yeah,

(01:17:51):
probably like third grade. My mom had Kujo and Christine
and I read both of those and I was hooked,
absolutely hooked. And then when I as I got older,
a buddy of mine he was really really hooked on
Stephen King still is and yeah, he just like give
me books he already read. So then I went through,

(01:18:13):
you know, the ton on Tommy Knockers and all that.
Tommy Knockers is a really good one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I don't think they read the Tommy Knockers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Tommy Knockers and the Lango Leers, those two books, like, yeah,
I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
I can't remember which one it was. I read one
of them about the sky Monsters.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Really get stuck on the plane yeah, and they land in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
A different time. Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I don't
remember it was either. It's probably Christine was my first
King book that I read because I used to read him.
He was my favorite author.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
And I was like, did y'all like the remake of Carrie? H?
Did you'll like the remake of Carrie? That girl that
plays Carrie in that movie is one of my favorite actresses.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
She's great. I like her.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
She was fantastic and let I can't remember see the
there's the Japanese version of this movie and then the
Americanized version, and she's in the Americanized version, of course,
but I can't remember the ring. No, it's called one
of them is called let the Right One. In the

(01:19:41):
other one is called let Me In. Yeah, with the
Little Vampire Girl. Yeah, that's a good movie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
That is. Both of those are good movies. Yeah, the
foreign version in the American version, Chloe Moritz.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
That's where I first saw her, and I'm like, this
girl is going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
So mid South, I agreed. Dan Koon's is a great writer.
And I will tout the Odd Thomas series to anybody,
is like, that's I love the Odd Thomas series. I
will reread it and just reread it because it's I
love it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
I still want I still want some of the I
want some of the Peter Peter bench other Peter Benchley
books to get the film. That's what I'd like to
see me And you've had that conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Yeah, you know, I want to read a White Sharks.
I'm dying to read White Shark. But I have a heart.
I don't have a lot of time to like sit
and read. That's why I listen to audiobooks so much.
And it's not available on audio. What I have scoured,

(01:20:58):
like audible, like every different way it could be written,
any like alternative titles that could have been published under
and it's just not there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Man, I suck, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
So I'm gonna I mean not that it's a terrible thing,
but I'm gonna have to get like a kindle or
a hard copy to read.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
I heard they got the green light to uh start
production on Blood Meridian, which I'm very interested to see
how they pull that off, because I don't see how
you could ever make that into a freaking movie. Like
I don't know if y'all heard of that or anything,
but yeah, it's it's Cormick McCarthy. He also did what

(01:21:43):
was that? H what was the freaking movie? Tommy Lee
Jones and the Dude down in the Desert, No Land
for Old Men or No Country.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Yeah, and and The Road.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
He also did The Road, which was, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
That's brutal.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Yeah, and see that's one of those things like you
were talking about. It's like one of those things that
could happen, like, yeah, it's called the Road.

Speaker 6 (01:22:12):
The Road.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Yeah, there's a movie, and I mean there's the book
and the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
But Blood Reading is just there's so much in it
that that I don't know, like I don't even know
how it almost have to be in our production, you
know what I mean, Like because that I mean the judge.
The judge, the character alone is just absolutely brutal, like
there is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
No oh, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 12 (01:22:40):
Yeah that's freaky, Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean he's like
a seven foot tall giant with no hair and a
baby's face.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
With little hands and little feet. That statistic as I'll
get out, and and basically the you know the way
I took it, because he does ritualistic stuff anywhere, like
they're making the bullets and all that, and he's making
like the mud that has to go, that it has
to be dipped in because that's the only thing that's

(01:23:12):
gonna save him. And so he's more like and he
talks about how they he never eats, he never sleeps,
and he says that he can't he can't be killed,
you know. So it's almost like the Devil on Earth
type of a thing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
It's and he does the devil's work, that's for sure.

Speaker 14 (01:23:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I'm interested to see how
that's gonna play out, because it's either they're gonna either
have to zip it up so much it's gonna suck,
or they're gonna have to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
They're gonna have to I don't know how they're gonna
They're gonna have to tone it down.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
That's an understatement.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Yeah, So okay, I'm going to jump into this book
my book recommendation for this week that I I actually
finished both these books that we'll talk about, but the
one that I'm recommending and text, I think you'd like
it because it has to do with mermaids and sirens
is Into the Drowning Deep by Mirra Grant. So it

(01:24:24):
starts off with a research vessel, right, and what we
call it a you know, research special. Uh, it's kind
of following a faux documentary crew. I think like when Discovery,
I think it was Discovery was doing like the fake
werewolf like documentaries and you know, that kind of thing

(01:24:48):
to make it look like a legit documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
But you know it's not right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
You're doing like a mockumentary. But they're not telling you
it's a mockumentary. They're just putting it out there to
see who bites.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
So there it's following a production research a vessel that
goes out near the Mariana Trench and they are on
this particular mockumentary episode looking for mermaids, and everybody on
board goes missing. The ship is found abandoned with blood everywhere.

(01:25:22):
Six weeks later, and part of like camera that's left
behind or a film can a camera that's left behind
shows what looks like a mermaid or several mermaids just
paring through the ship. So several years go by and

(01:25:44):
a new operation is put together, actual scientific research operation.
The owner of the network is trying to you know,
show that they care. They want to exploit this of course,
and it follows the story of the second vessel that
goes out there to look for mermaids, and let me

(01:26:06):
tell you that they find what they're looking for. And
it is rough. It is rough. It does have a
few instances of animals getting harm. So if that's like
a trigger thing for you, probably not a good book
to read, right, But it's got I mean, it's got

(01:26:27):
a decent amount of horror and in horror in it.
And if you are a fan of the ocean and
potential creepy Crawley's Inside the Ocean, then by all means,
I think that this would be a great book for
you to check out Into the Drowning, Deep Deep Kale,

(01:26:51):
So if you're into that thing, go check it out.
And the other one, so, the one I think I'm
going to do book club for is a book called
Those Across the River. And this is a were wolf book.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
No way, look at the cat right, It's like it's
like the poster for the Howling. You would never guess,
I know, right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
What could be just mean dogs? Right, because those look
kind of like a timber wolf teeth. So it's an
interesting take on a were wolf book. I will tell
you that it is set in the nineteen thirties, and
it's written in a manner that I haven't I haven't

(01:27:44):
come upon in quite a while. It's very steinbeck Ish
in I feel that it's very Steinbeckish in the writing style.
But I liked it. I liked it a lot, and
so I think for book Club we're going to be
tackling this. So next show, our next show, I'm going

(01:28:08):
to carve out what'll we say ten minutes. Ten minutes
puts the end of the show, and we will cover
chapters one through five of this. There's several chapters. I mean,
I might amp it up, but just everybody, since it's
a new thing, will start slow. We'll just do five

(01:28:28):
chapters of this and then we'll discuss what was going
on with it. It's available in print, it's available on Kindle,
it's available on audio, and I would like to see
what people think about it. As we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Along Those across the River.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Those across the River, and you know, the vampire movie
that we were talking about, Centers takes place around the
same time, nineteen thirties South. This is nineteen thirties South.
Want to say it's very rural Georgia, that this takes
place in in the River, so the I mean were

(01:29:09):
wolves Vampires nineteen thirties. Check it out, check out the movie,
start reading the book and we'll chat yet up about
it next time.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
And I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Yes, you will be greater. There's a pop quizard at
the end of ever show.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
There is yeah silver bullet, so if you get a chance.
So that is another one of my favorite King books.
Cycle of the Werewolf. Cycle, Yeah, Cycle of the Werewolf.
It is in such a cool take on were wolves.
It gives you the backstory of how the Reverend maybe

(01:29:50):
became a vampire, how you think I'm not a vampire
a were wolf? How you think he became a were wolf?
And the illustrations in that book are insane. It's like
a graphic novel tied into it. So if you don't
own it or you really need to just do yourself
a favor and try to find one of the original ones.
But it is amazing. It's an amazing were wolf books,

(01:30:11):
like a Little Werewolf.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
Night Mickey g Night, Mickey Roight behind you, Mickey g
mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Okay, awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
I got to keep up with a seven year old
tomorrow at the zoo.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Oh yeah, it's good Friday, then that's right. I mean,
you gotta remember not just leave my son at home
and I leave for work.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
My son's going to work with me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Well he's going to work with Jen at the gas station.
But yeah, because I'm in my routine and I don't
my brain didn't turn on until I'm you know, at
least been at work for an hour down the road. Yeah, exactly, exactly,
So I'm gonna have to like make myself a note

(01:31:08):
or something I remember, right, But then again, you know,
in our day, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
I was left alone much younger, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:31:22):
And the kidnapped didn't get me, just saying locks of
the door, don't open it for nobody, and don't burn
the house down, don't used that.

Speaker 8 (01:31:31):
And I mean, no, okay, right, I think we're good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Yeah, got anything to say, any closing statements, any closing arguments?

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
Mm hmmm, No, No, I gotta figure out. I've been
tossing up a couple of different ideas for tomorrow's show.
I really want to get into these fake astronaut chicks
that just went up, but I don't know if I'm
going to do that because it's too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Easy hanging fruit, dude, low hanging fruit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
And all that. It's it's just so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Like I know, if I was up there for like
a couple of minutes, I would not be taking selfies.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
I'd be like out the window, like seeing the most
amazing thing I ever saw, not trying to take pictures
of myself. But that's just me. But yeah, uh, and
I still want to touchdown on the the Egyptian Column
things that they found and there there was a whole
thing a video of it where the dude shows the

(01:32:46):
blue water and all that. But with like we've said
before a million times, with AI and stuff like that
in special effects, the way they've gotten who who knows,
you know, I have a hard time with that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
I've seen so many of literally the same video with
different people in it, all of them clearly that it's
that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
And I'm like, yeah, no, I agree, you can't. It's
it's a DTA. Don't trust anybody. Yeah at this point,
you know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Check it out on the Breezy Speakeasy tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
We'll do something fun either way.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Yeah, he'll have it planned out better than I planned
mine out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Don't quote me on that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Okay, guys, so in conclusion, start reading those across the
River so that we can talk about it. Because it's
a pretty cool book. You can read past five chapters.
I don't care, but I'm going to talk about the
first five the next week or whenever I show up
again in your computer, TV and phone screens. So for

(01:34:01):
Brazy and text and me, good night, everybody. This is
the future revolution.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
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