6/26/25 - Forbidden Places

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody. Hello, it's Monica and Breezy. Yeah, the right
way I'm getting used to.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I know.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I was like, I was telling you backstage, I was
locked onto the wrong lenk and I was like, finally.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm gonna be on the right side.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
I was like yeah, and I was like, oh wait,
just I can't add myself to the I was like,
wait a minute, I think.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
The host is always on the left side.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I think it depends.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, you're you're you're on my account, So if you
long on before I do, then you're on the left.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Depends on how you're looking at it.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Uh sorry, answered somebody in chat. So, yeah, yeah, you're
actually you're over You're over here on my screen. I'm
pointing at you on my screen because you're so I
have to point opposite of where you are for anyway.

(01:19):
We talk about this all the time. Sorry, we we do.
It's the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I just came off of the Blowns and the Booze
Paranormal podcast where we were talking about Faye. We were
having a nice conversation about ferries and Fay and all
the different wonderful Faye creatures and what to not do
around your house to not invite them in.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Huh, don't put in the garden.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
You don't do that. Maybe don't decorate your your whole
gardens escape and fairy cottage core. It's adorable, I get it,
Like I'd love to do that, but I'm afraid something's
going to occupy the space if I make it look
overly inviting. So yeah, So tonight, at the end of

(02:14):
the show, instead of giving a book recommendation, I'm going
to give you two movie recommendations that are heavy in
the fairy folklore. It's not necessarily blatant, but let me
tell you, like they're spot on with a lot of
their face stuff in there, and it's heavy. So we'll
talk about those at the end of the show. But tonight,

(02:37):
Joe and I are going to be talking about forbidden places,
all right, he says, you're not supposed to go. There's
a lot of those around the world. But tonight we're
going to be focusing on Area fifty one. Of course,
you can't do a show about forbidden places and not
have Area fifty one in there. We'll talk about the

(03:00):
Vatican Archives a little bit, and we'll talk about the
Grand Canyon because it still just in senses me that
it is a national park and there are places that
you are not allowed to go, and I don't why
why why can't I go in there? There's places in

(03:22):
a lot of national parks that you can't go, like
they just come in and shut down trails or whatever.
And I understand shutting things down like that for maintenance,
but when it is a public land like for us
to access, and you're telling me I can't and you're
not giving me a decent reason why, Like are the
cliffs crumbling? Is there a serious chance that half of

(03:44):
that mountain is going to crumble into the Colorado River?
Like I don't understand. I need some explanation because it
seems a little bit fishy when the government's just no,
you can't go there anymore.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I don't like yep, smells like my fingers in high school.
Really fits like.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Smells like low tide.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
So how's your week going? Have you had a good week?
I don't know if they if you went over that
on the bond?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, I mean it's okay. You know, I'm I'm working
from home and I'm on I only have one project
going right now, and then once this is done, I'm
really not going to be doing that for a while.
So this project, for those of you that don't know,
I'm a project managed project director of a manager for

(04:40):
a commercial construction company, all right, and this project is twigging,
it is dragging, and every time we call an inspection
in the city, inspector finds a reason to fail us,
like he's getting a bonus for every red tag issues.
I swear to God, and we're following like standards of

(05:00):
just look at their nitpicking, which I get in some
areas like you, I would want them to be particular
if we are doing something incorrect and it is a
danger to people by all means, let me know. But
if you are just because you want that to be
yellow instead of white, and you're failing me on that, like.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Such a pain in the ass, right.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Anyway, that's my rant. That's my rant. That's my rant
about this week. I've got a client who's upset because
the city keeps stalling me and now his open date
is getting pushed.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Gotcha, gotcha? Well mine, it was what was it Monday?
I think it was like overnight Monday and Tuesday. If
I don't have my days wrong do When those rainstorms
came through and all that stuff. Like I think it

(05:58):
was Tuesday, Like I was curled up on the couch,
I had like swollen glands in my neck, like I
felt like I blew. Like I was like literally like
doing the fever thing where you know, one minute it's
too hot, the next minute it's too cold and I'm freezing.
And I was like, but it only like like it's

(06:22):
weird when you get older.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Because stuff like that, you know when you when you're
a kid, it doesn't affect you at all.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
But but yeah, I just like like flut out, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Literally.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Now moving yeah and then yeah, yeah, yeah, but no,
but it was uh yeah, and for like the whole day,
and Jim's like sitting there, She's like, dude, what the
hell's you know, because like, you know, I don't I'm

(07:04):
not going to work and I'm not dealing with other people.
So it's not like I got got by somebody else,
you know, in.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Their little freaking germ factories.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Right right, And so I was just like, man, I
was like, no, it's just it's I don't want to
call the allergies, but every time weather changes like that,
just you know, it's kind of like that thing.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Uh, back in the gap. Whenever you hear.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Like older people complaining and they're like, oh, my knees
are aching, it's gonna rain, you know what I mean, Like,
oh my elbow hurts.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Whatever exactly.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
You get older and you're like, damn, my knees hurt.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
It's like, oh, there was something to that.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
My joints are a better barometer than the thing I
have on the wall.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, my joints feel tight, well, then roll them looser,
you know.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
But okay, let's jump in because I'm kind of tired.
I don't know how how long the show is going
to go tonight, y'all, because I, like I said, I
did the Blondes before this, and then we chatted backstage.
So I've been on for almost two hours now at
this point. So I'm a little sleepy, a little sleepy.

(08:29):
So let's jump in to our forbidden Places? And which
one do you want to start off with? Do you
want to start off with Area fifty one? Do you
want to start off with the Grand Canyon or do
you want to start off with the Vatican or if
there's one there?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, So I was looking at him and and the
way I kind of.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Kind of like we're slightly discussing backstage. They're ones that
are obviously like military locations, so it's it's commonality to
understand why you're not allowed, because you know, they might
have certain projects going on or whatever. But I would say,

(09:16):
let's jump on the Grand Canyon because that's one of
those that there's no reason, well, no particular reason.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well, there's no public reason why, right right, right right,
there's no issuance saying, at least that I've seen saying,
you know, this is restricted area, and this is why
it's a restricted area. It's in government testing. It's this,
it's that we found uranium in there, it's it's glows
in the dark if you hadn't noticed, I mean, right,

(09:50):
they haven't much of an explanation. But here's the theory
that is popular as to why sections of the Grand
Canyon are roped off. In the story behind it. So
there was an explorer in nineteen o eight. There's my
co host coming in with the facts. So there was

(10:12):
an explorer and he was kind of hiking around the
Grand Canyon in nineteen oh eight, and he was hiking
up a particular.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Cliff and he was he was on the river, he
was looking for gold, and he was like, yeah, but
he saw the cave entrance right right.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So he hiked up into the cave entrance because it's
not at water level, it's up a little bit higher,
according to him. So he hiked up to this plateau
with this cave entrance, and when he gets in there,
there's Egyptian hieroglyphics written all over the walls.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
But there was whenever he saw it because he saw
mineral deposits. And so when he actually pushed the brush away,
there was actual stair like a staircase carved into the
wall that led up to the.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Cave entrance that led up to Okay, so he followed
a staircase that was carved by somebody and he gets
into the cave and what does he see in the cave?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
He well, so, yeah, he gets up in there and
then the first thing he sees is.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
What seemed to him like Egyptian hieroglyphs. And one of
the weird things about it was in the entrance of it,
there was either a.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
It was either Isis or.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Horus, like a statue of it. But instead of like
having like the palm trees, like it doesn't in Egyptian,
you know, archives, it was.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Things, but instead of what it was.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It was instead of like palm trees, it was like cacti.
The local the regional right and.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
And the local the local natives said that.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
That they weren't those local natives.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Particularly their story on it is that they weren't the
original people there, that there were people from the other
side of the sea, you know, that that established this
the spot.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
And so.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
He goes inside and there's like a warriors chamber where
there's like there's like, uh, I don't know if there
were skeletons, but I know there were definitely wards and stuff,
and it was like a circular room right right, and

(13:07):
and it had like it looked like a I don't know,
I kind of think like Indian and Jones type shite,
you know. But yeah, it was like a circular room
and there were there were either tombs or but they
had weapons with them all around it.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
And that was like the first entrance.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
So if you kind of think of a fortification, you know,
type of a deal, then yeah, that would be the
first you know, your first and foremost defense, you know,
against an intruder would be you know, so so it
wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
An indication that people had been living in there?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
It's not just yeah, yeah, no, Actually he once he
actually went through it.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
He well, so he found it, and then he went
to go get some homies, and then they came back
and they started actually.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Exploring it, you know, but it was like just like
his own personal friends and whatever, fellow expeditioners.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
And the way I remember the story is they came
back and they actually started looking through it, and it
was big enough for a city. I think he could
hold approximately fifty thousand people. So yeah, it was like

(14:40):
a complex. So they found like.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Like prayer rooms, like.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
You know, a residential quarters, whole nine yards and yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
So this was g K and K nineteen oh eight.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
And there is actual newspaper articles and stuff about this
discovery edition.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah right, so why keep found this? And he explored
around in there for a while, he went in contacted
the Smithsonian, right, somehow he got in contact with the Smithsonian,
is correct, and they paid for an expedition to get
in there and really document everything. Thanks Werewolf, thank you,

(15:34):
and I'm glad you loved the show.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Oh sharing. Sharon Sunshine says, why can't someone use a drunk.
You can't. Yeah, you can't, like literally.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I mean you can, but it's not going to be
in the air for long.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Right Exactly. Our buddy that's been on the show before,
Richard Woody.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
He actually went out there with his drone and before
you knew it, like black helicopters and people were like,
take it down, you'd.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Did I tell you that I found Woody in the
wild on TikTok like I was looking for him. I
was not looking for him. He's not in my phone
as any contacts, he's not like on any of my
social media platforms as a friend. But he popped up
in one of my for you videos, so I follow
him now on TikTok. Has no idea I found.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Wild talking. I'm too immature for that.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
So yeah, but yeah, Woody is awesome. He's such a
good filmmaker, just documentarian.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
He does really really good photo.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
And he's got a good voice. He voices his own
like videos and stuff like. He's really awesome. But anyway, yeah, so, uh,
mister Kincaid back to the Grand Canyon. Mister Kincaid somehow
got it, like teamed up with the Smithsonian and they
mounted this full on expedition to document everything, pay for
everything proposedly. And I say supposedly, because there are absolutely

(17:18):
no records anywhere the Smithsonian. If you try to push
them and get them to disclose anything, they deny ever
having anything to do with any expeditions in the Grand Canyon.
They deny having gone into a cave in the Grand Canyon.
They deny having witnessed any kind of Egyptian type artifacts

(17:38):
or anything anything to do with the Kincaid like discovery.
They will tell you no. But Kincaid was the one
out there telling everybody dismissal right, because I mean, how
else would the story have gotten out that the Smithsonian
was like even involved, right.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Like yeah, yeah, exactly. And it was Kinkain And I
forgot the other dude's name. He added like a a
best Tomi with him that was like his in the
original expedition, and they and I've seen.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I don't know how it really are, because you never
know how really anything is, but.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Like the letters that they sent to the Smithsonian saying
you know, hey, this is what we found, blah blah blah.
And I've seen, Like I said, I don't know how
really any of it is. But news articles where they're like, oh, yeah,

(18:48):
G K and K went and found blah blah blah,
and now the Smithsonian's evolved and they're gonna go and
make a big expedition.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So they apparently the way the story goes.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Is the Smithsonian came back and they led, they funded
a huge expedition, came back to the location and then.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Uh, they kind of raided the place and they they.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, but they rated it and they took everything, and
G K and K was like, yo, so what's up.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
We're gonna you know, we're gonna like yeah, yeah, and
then he was never seen or heard from ever again.
And his apparently so.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
By the conspiracy, yeah, right, by the conspiracy part. The
conspiracy part goes that they completely eradicated his birth certificates

(20:10):
and knowledge of existence.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Oh yeah, even though completely right off the map.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, exactly, because there is no quote unquote.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
G Kid and I want to say I saw it
on the I know, I bringing up a lot the
WI files, but.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
That it was a compilation of two different people, which
was his name and one was his homeboy and one
was him the G and the E and the Kincaid
was the.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Something like that. But yeah, I don't know man it.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
And and still that area that that you know, he
charted it on maps, and those maps were in I believe,
I think it was even like in the national uh
geographic or whatever, that location is completely off limits. You're

(21:17):
not allowed to you're not even allowed to like go
river rafting.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
You're not allowed to be on the water, which is yes,
so bizarre and unreasonable to me, Like you know, there
is zero entry into this canyon really right this particular stretch,
which again, like I just it for so many reasons.

(21:46):
It raises my hackles when I hear somebody saying that
there's public land and the government's I can again I
understand if it's trail maintenance, you know, if they're but
if they're doing something in there on public land, like
tell me why, Like you need to explain more to me,
Like you're not my parent if you tell me I

(22:08):
can't go somewhere and it's public land, Like if it
was government land, I get it, Like if it was BLM,
if it was you know, even BLM, I'd probably argue.
But if it's part of a national park, like you're
not supposed to be mining in there, You're not supposed
to be doing a lot of things in there, correct,
you know, how do we as the people know that
you're not in there, not not even just hiding things

(22:31):
like this, right, You're not just in there just strip
mine in the dang place, Like, how do we know
you're not in there? You know, pulling out a crap
ton of ur anymore, and you know, poisoning the heck
out of the land. You know, it's so scrutive, And
that's what I have a problem with, Like.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
There's zero exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
And from what I've heard about it and research what.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Have watched on would have watched on YouTube now.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
But but what I've heard their biggest excuse is is
because it's.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
It's too dangerous, like you might try to because this thing.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Was supposedly like up the cliff side and if you
you know, if.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
You climb up and you fall or if you've broke
that's their right.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, rim of the freaking game Green Canyon that people
ride donkeys down is dangerous. Like if people want to
risk their lives, that is their that that's their prerogative.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Well see, yeah, because to me, that's a you know, uh, well,
we're twenty five minutes in the show almost so I
can cuss a little bit.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
But to me, that's bullshit, because because we.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Can go to Mount Everest all day long and be like, oh,
hang a left that the guy that died with green boot,
you know, like you know, it's it's no big deal.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Our government doesn't have control over that. The Nepalese government
clearly doesn't give a flip. I mean, you want to
die half all, you know, but give me a break,
Like the government is not in place to guard us
like children, right, Like that's I'm not asking to be
guarded like a child.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I don't know that I can still buy these right.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
If I am well enough to vote your butt into office,
then I am well enough to make a decision on
whether or not an area is dangerous for.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Me, right exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
You're giving me all of the information.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, and you do you know white rapid right right,
rapid river tours and you know you.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Do nobody's shutting that down. Maybe drown every year on
those things, yeah, or.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Jump out of a freaking airplane. Oh but that's dangerous.
Don't go climb a cliff side.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Between this surfing or maybe they shouldn't be swimming in
the ocean in Hawaii because it could possibly brown with
the rip currents. Like, where's your concern there?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Right?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
But between this spot and this spot, you're not allowed
to go.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
On that river, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, screw that mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah. So that's where I find it, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
And if if that was an isolated incident about the Smithsonian,
then so if it so be it right, But there's
just too many of those same incidences, Like same with
the mounds in Ohio and the Giant Mounds and stuff

(25:50):
like that. It's just to me, it's like they got
their hands a little too mucky with the the hush hush,
you know, and that that kind of ties into the
the you know, same with the Vatican type thing. You know,
it's it's a it's a foundation that has a lot

(26:15):
to hide underneath its core, and things go there and
then they just disappeared.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
They were just like the Smithsonian. One of our guys
in chat made the comment that the Smithsonian is a
black hole of information, which is one hundred percent accurate.
If you want something to disappear with a quickness, called
the Smithsonian or the government, and you will, you will
if you are ever heard from again, whatever it was

(26:44):
you're handing over won't.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, on the streets, it would be the mafia. But
you know, we're dealing with something bigger and better.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I mean, there's so I've heard so many stories of
the Smithsonian just because they've been they've been around for
so long, and their archives are so big and vast.
I mean, there are curators in there. They're like, I
have no idea what's in Vault twenty seven, File eighty,
Like I have no idea what's down in there? You know.

(27:16):
Or they've they've signed at some point that they've taken
possession of something, and then later on they're like, oh, no,
we didn't know, but we don't know where that is, right.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Right, yeah, Or or you know, if you have an
elevator that has restricted access and you know, and you
got a badge, Yeah, I'm an employee here, but I
can't get down to or And it's weird that they
do it that way because normally, like at a hotel

(27:47):
or you know, like a residency or something like that,
you can only go up to a certain point. Well,
whenever you've got to whenever you got a of I
wouldn't even call it a building, but whenever you got.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
An institution yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, when you've got an institution, you can only go
down so far.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, now you talked to some you know who knows
what's down there.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, you know. And I mean I understand granting permission
for certain people because the freaking front desk clerk doesn't need,
you know, access to the you know, seventeen fifty files
and archaeological finds. There's no reason for that. I understand that.
But what I don't understand is the loss of so

(28:42):
many artifacts. I don't understand. It's just secrecy in general, right,
And they claim to be very open. If you call
them and ask them, they're like, oh, yeah, I mean,
I don't know. Like, I just feel like the public
in general has been screwed around so much. I can't
trust anybody that I talked to. I don't trust you
telling me the truth because we heard around for so long. Like,

(29:04):
there's there's nothing in the history of ever with a
lot of agencies or you know, museums or whatever insert
here that makes me want to believe anything you say
going forward. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I I agree with the whole thing. It's it's it's kai,
it's food.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
So that that kind of leads us into the Vatican. Right,
So the Vatican Archives, I just call them. The archives
have been called the Secret Archives. They're they're currently called
the Apostolic Archives or something like that. But we all
know what we're talking about. Like, underneath Vatican City, supposedly
there is a vast network of artifacts, including books, I

(29:55):
mean everything, you know, straight up artifacts, books, you name it.
If the Catholic Church wants it suppressed and they got
their mets on it, it's down in the Vatican Archives.
And I believe that. I one, I you know, if

(30:16):
if I have to associate with any particular brand of
organized religion, I am leaning Catholic because my mother was Catholic,
I was baptized Catholic, never went to I mean, I
go to church occasionally, but I'm not very religious, so
I'm Catholic leaning. But I also know that that church

(30:36):
has done some horrible things in the past, and they're
not so distant past, and I wasn't surprised if they're
still doing some pretty shady things as well currently, you know, Right,
So the archives are the tip of the sphere of destiny,
and I do believe that is down there. I do

(30:58):
believe that the ark of the Covenant is likely down there.
I think that. I think there's a lot of things
that are hiding down there. And well, I don't know
anybody that's been down there, because when you're granted access,
I believe you're only granted access to like a very

(31:21):
like particular section. You can't just wander around in the archives.
And you know, willy nilly, if you're granted access to
anything which is dang near impossible to get, they're like, Okay,
here's your little cubby hole with.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
The one thing. Yesparent's one out of nine. You know. Yeah,
I personally.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
When it comes to the art not to switch gears.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But I don't think they did.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I think that's where the Knights Temple are took off
and made all that loot with it.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
But yeah, the the so I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Like, my mother was Catholic, I was baptized Catholic.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
But what weirded me out when when.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I had my kids baptized is what I noticed is
whenever they do baptize children, they put oil on They
put the across, they put oil, and then they put
the water on it. Well, what what you know keeps

(32:39):
water off of anything is oil. So like whenever you
look into biblical faction. When Christ was baptized by John
the Baptist, there.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Wasn't no oil involved in any of it, so yeah, yeah,
it was.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Basically it's basically a repellent, So why are you repelling
the water that's supposed to I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I've got a hole, like I can go down a
whole rabbit hole. I can fire right down that rabbit hole.
For people that are that that follow any particular organized
I mean that that's wonderful having feet like that. I

(33:26):
think that is fabulous. Unfortunately, I mean, I believe in
a higher power, but I cannot subscribe to anyone like
this is the way it is and that's the only
way it is. Kind of religion. I just you know,
I'm not that narrow minded, right, And.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I don't believe you should. I mean I believe that,
you know, like life.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
And and the wondering and uh questioning of it should
be as expansive as it is for the questions and
you know.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
And I mean if we just look at like the
Catholic and I hate to be begging on the really
it's just the topic we're on. I'm not really not
breaking Catholics or the Catholic But I mean, if we
I mean to be fair, if we look back over
the history of that church, and I'm sure any of them,
if we really get into it, like none of them
are have clean hands. But since we're talking about the Vatican,

(34:26):
we'll talk about the Catholic Church. I mean, they have
a history of uh trosities. Oh yeah, every very old religion.
All they all do, right, everybody does something in the
name of their religion that is not okay. So the
Catholic Church though, like dominated dominated like religion world for

(34:52):
a while. And that's why they've been able to gather
everything to keep in the archives. Right. They just they
pillage once they they yeah, thunder pillage whatever. They're taking
what they want. And you know, again there there are
all these conspiracies about what's done in the archives. And

(35:14):
and I do, like, I truly do think that they've
got the spirit of Destiny. I do believe that they've
got the the the art, the arc of the Covenant.
And I also think that they I think they're hiding
some stuff like about Jesus and what really went down there.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
There is a there is a and this is this
is definitely on subject there is one I wouldn't know.
I wouldn't call it a theory, but there is one
conspiracy about that they actually have the remains of Christ,

(35:58):
which would mean that he and resurrected, which would mean
that the whole church falls if they found out. You know,
that's that's one of the ones I've heard of times.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, and you know they we've talked about this before
across different shows, like on Joshu's show. We've talked about
you know, soft disclosure in movies, right, And I really
like it rang with me when I watched the movie Stigmata.
The whole prob yeah, is that there are these and

(36:31):
I'm not saying this is true, but I think that
there's likely something like that that there's this this like
script written in Aramaic, like written in the time of
Jesus that says, basically, you don't need to go to church,
like if you were, if you believe in me. Nature

(36:51):
is my church, like I am everywhere at all times.
So your living room is your church, like the woods
that you walk through to meditate, like that is your church.
Like turn a stone and I am there and split
a log in you alf I mean that, I mean
I am everywhere and that I mean consider that if
that came out, and of course this is a movie

(37:13):
that we're talking about, if that came out, then like
the church, the church would collapse, right because if people
found out that there was scripts straight from the horse's
mouth saying you don't need that, you you don't need that,
you know, then I mean all, really, seriously, all churches

(37:36):
would collapse, not just Catholic church, organized religion in general.
Take like Tank, but I wouldn't doubt I mean something
like that in there because I believe that I believe
that like in people again, and this is if you
follow an organized religion. I am not bashing you. I

(37:56):
am just saying that I believe that, you know, God
is everywhere, that's Jesus is everywhere. And if you feel
more comfortable going to a church in worshiping with others,
I think that is great. But the people that worship
in private are just as legitimate as the people that
go into the large bery.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Right well, I mean you know, and that would that
rings true to me personally, And like like you said,
I'm not bashing anybody's belief system or anything like that.
And you know, church is a thing that's that's fine,
But to me, it it rings home when I go

(38:41):
why is money involved?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, you know what I mean, like monetary value. Why
does that guy to have anything to do?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I mean if they were truly following Christ. In my
this is just my opinion. If you are a true
follower of Christ, you don't need a middleman. And if
you do have a middle man, that middle man should
not be driving around in rolls and having a gold
toilet Like there is no reason for the middle man
to be profiting to that extent on your charitable contributions.

(39:13):
That should go straight to the poor. It should go
straight to the sick. It should go straight to like
food for the hungry. It should do what you intended
it to do.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, yeah, not your private.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Jet, Yeah, not your mansion.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah but see, but but but it I know, we're
kind of veer enough. But but they created that, uh,
that middle man with with with Latin, right, So in
old Latin, you know when they when they conquered other countries,

(39:52):
and you know it, the only way that you could
you could read Latin. So the only way that you
could be saved in salvation was to go to the
church and have the priest or the bishop or whoever was,
you know, translate the Bible for you, because of course

(40:16):
we all know it went from Hebrew to Aramaic to
Greek and then into Latin, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
So so you had to have a medium, like without
it then you would you didn't even know. So like
be and you Native Americans, like.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
When they came over here, they're like, you don't understand
anything we're saying, do you? You know, savage? So you
better show up, pay your tides and then we'll tell
you how to be forgiven so you could go to heaven,
you know.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
So that.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, okay, back to the back to the underground Vatican thing,
there is one piece that.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I'm kind of I wouldn't say I'm divided on, but
do you know about the Chronoviser.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
No, that's supposed to be at the bottom of the Vatican.
So there was this monk, he is a Catholic monk.
I guess with what you doing? So he invented as
like a television type of thing back in the gap,
and he could go back to any point in time

(41:45):
and like watch it like a TV like be like yeah,
like watch it like a VHS and be like and
he could go and he could watch, you know, the
the Crucifixion.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Or I'm worading about it.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
The Chronavisor is a purported time doing device allegedly created
by the Vatican, based on the claims of Father Pellegrino
Ernetti a nineteen month and monk, oh my god, I
said month, I'm tired, and physicists. The device is said
to have used electromagnetic echoes of time to observe past events,

(42:25):
potentially allowing the Vatican to view historical occurrences, including religious ones.
While the Chronavisor remains a legend, a book exploring the
topic suggests it's a story that combines history, conspiracy theory,
and theological tension. The story often involves alleged collaborations with

(42:46):
famous scientists and Vatican cover up, according to the book's
description on Amazon. So yeah, okay, so he created a
not time machine necessary like you can't go through, but
a time viewer.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
A time viewer. Yeah, like when we were kids in
the eighties.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
And that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
It's awesome right there in front of my face. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
So that's an interesting one to me because like, okay,
so if it say it is all fake and and
there's there's no real logic to it or whatever.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Then a why would it be so associated with you know,
artifact in the in the Vatican.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Well, I mean it's such a secret thing, right and
it's been around for like a thousand years, Like it's
been around for a long time the Vatican, right, and
you know the misinformation and deception and the secrecy paired
with the history of just not good things. If the

(44:11):
new Pope were to come out I and just give
us a diction, like, just give us a catalog of
everything in the archives, I wouldn't believe it. I would
believe it. I'd be like they're they're leaving something out.
I know they are, like I. And that's again, that's
that's where I am personally with so many things. Like

(44:33):
you could come out and be like, here's full disclosure.
I'd be like, bullshitrely.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Bit you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (44:42):
If like things don't add up, I don't. I don't
believe it, Like I wouldn't believe it, you know, there
would It would be hard. I would have to and
this is me. I would have to be like like
I need to see it, like I need like I
need to view not that I have the time in
my life even if I were granted access to the archives,

(45:03):
I don't believe in my lifetime, what's left of my lifetime,
I could view a half of what they have down there.
So but I would be inclined to like prove it,
like I thank you for the catalog. Prove it, right, yeah,
cart that puppy out there. I'm not telling you show
me everything in the book, but show me the book cover,

(45:25):
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Right right?

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah, and yeah, i'd be I'd be quicker to believe
in a freaking Stephen King novel.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Like a lot of that, you know, Nightwear, Wolf, God
bless Man.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
But yeah, so you know, it's it's weird things like
that's what intrigues me, I guess is what I was
getting at is, you know, things that can seem so.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I don't know, so not.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Pair normal, but so science fictionists that why would they
even be associated and not just discarded you know, like right,
oh yeah, yeah, that's that's heresty. Yeah that's heresy, man. Yeah,

(46:20):
if you believe the Earth was round, that's heresy and
it is. But but no, I mean, like you know,
like it's kind of like if if if someone were
to make a you know, a statement about you know,

(46:46):
me or you or anything like that that was just
so outrageous, like oh, yeah, I heard Monica, you know,
banged a dog man and just be like what, No, No,
I don't even I'm not even I'm not even gonna
I'm not even gonna say nothing about that, you know,

(47:07):
instead of going, well, no, there was this one dude that.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Back in eighteen thirty four that you know and even imp.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Make an implication about it, you know, So to me
that that uh, I don't know, that just resolves like
a not just denying it, but even acknowledging it. That

(47:43):
is something to me, you know what I mean, Like
I wouldn't even acknowledge something like that, Oh there's a
television that can show you the past and the and
them not going dude, them going no, we don't have that.
We never heard of that. Well there was this monk
mhm and yeah blah.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
There was this one monk.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
No, I'd just be like, I'm not even I'm not
even replying to your comment on night t Bone, But yeah,
I wouldn't even acknowledge the comment, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Face So oh that is a good one.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Aristal of the Lucifer show.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
What's up with that? Well, I mean again, I can
go not just not just the Vatican, I mean it's
just religion in general. I could go down a whole
rabbit hole that is very similar to that topic.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yep. And you two probably demon well.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Like I'm making any money now, Well.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Retire on that ten bucks a year I get from you?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, make that.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I mean, you know, monetization is nice, and I appreciate
everybody that donates and helps, but I am not retiring
off of it. You know, I'm not here to make money.
I'm here to have a good time with my friends
and talk about things that are interesting to me or
interesting to us, and everybody who's listening and hopsong, you know,

(49:29):
hopefully or interested in it as well. So I'm not
as concerned about Bandie Bonatas. But I mean, for real,
like I could say that that, what's what's Lucifer right
known for like the greatest lie, like the biggest con right, he's.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
The light right, and yeah, that's the light bearer.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, but he's like he's he's right, he's the god
or god of lies or whatever you want to call it, right,
master of lies. But he's known for conning men. What's
the biggest con Like, what would be the biggest con
of mankind is to get you to think that what

(50:19):
he's pulling off is light. Right, it's a flip flop
basically what we're we consider religion. So like the light
religion is actually dark and it's just been flipped and
it's listed for conning you into thinking that it's light.
Because what realm does he reside over? That'd be the

(50:41):
one we're living in right now. Yeah, anyway, I'm not
going to go down that rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
But yes, that is an excellent We leave that alone.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
A lot of people are going to be coming for you.
But I mean the Vatican itself. Let's get back to
the Vatican. So the Vatican. Yeah, the archives in the Vatican.
I just again, if they handed or made public, right,
a complete catalog of everything in the archives, I would

(51:14):
still not believe it. I wouldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Right, Yeah, Well, see the thing about the Vatican archives
because okay, because we were talking about the Smithsonian. The
Smithsonian has been around for hundreds of years, right, The
Vatican has been around for thousands of years and one
of the one of the biggest things about the Vatican

(51:38):
is when when the First Crusades and the Second Crusades,
you know, I don't remember which year that was, but
it was thousands of years ago, all thousand years ago,
they sent the Knights Templars into basically, so they sent

(51:59):
they sent the armies into because what was it, uh,
Jerusalem and Israel got well, Israel is a new state,
but Jerusalem got took over. They had all the armies

(52:21):
wipe them out, and then they sent in the Knights
Templars basically as metal detectors, you know, like they're like, oh,
go to the spots. So they went to Solomon's Temple
where Solomon's Temple was originally was, and had them start
digging and you know and looking for you know, like

(52:44):
the Spear Destiny, the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Right. So and then these cats come back to.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
The Vatican and turn in these archives and then they
went from because it originally the Knights simple are their
flag was two dudes riding one horse because they were poor,
you know. And then they came back and they had
so much money after they came back and turned you know, stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
In that they bought pretty much all of Spain.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
You know, they became the richest thing, and they even
became richer.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
That was their downfall, was their wealth because the king
got like really sketched about how powerful they were.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah yeah, I forgot the king's name, but yeah, and so.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
It's like it's like, okay, so so one of these
uh basically like you.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Know, material bounty hunters got that's so freaking you know,
monetarily valuable that they go from being nobody's to owning
half of the known continent, you know. Yeah, so and

(54:15):
then giving it to the Vatican.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
You know, so if you put those cats like if
you know, like.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
If I send a bunch of you know, young gangsters
out to go and clean up after you know, people,
and then they come back and then I dude, I
got this, this and this, what how do they go
from being street cats to being royalty almost?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
You know what I mean? So they had to they
had to fill their.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Their museum or whatever you call it, their their bunker
with a bunch of stuff that was it's very important
to them at the time.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Sure, yeah, so let's let's move away from the Vatican
or I'm going.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
To be here all night talking shit, all right, So
do we go to government spots.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Now, yeah, let's go to Let's start with Area fifty one,
because again, what would a yeah uh yeah, that subject
forbidden place be without including Area fifty one where they've
got sensors on the ground. If you take a step
off the main road, you got the dude in a
jeep up on the hillside with with you know, with

(55:41):
a you know, unliving weapon. So right, right, So yeah,
so Area fifty one, I think we all know, we
should all know, it has been considered a place for
UFO technology, right, Supposedly that's where they do a lot
of reverse engineering. You've got people Bob Blazaar that was

(56:01):
all up in there, supposedly busted or flew in with Janice, right,
Janis Air and claims that he was working in their
reverse engineering alien technology, right, and he had seen actual
alien creatures up in the mountain side there, right, sound right, Yeah,

(56:26):
So this is my take on it. This is my
take on Area fifty one. I think at one point, yeah,
they probably did have alien technology there. It is so
in the public eye now, like once people started leaking information,
once people started talking about it, once the public figured out, hey,

(56:47):
that's not normal for a government installation, like these people
are being super secretive. People are seeing some weird craft
going around. I think they pulled up out of fifty one.
I don't think there's any alien technology there any longer.
I think that it is legit a testing ground for
new aircraft. Now, whether it's reverse engineered aircraft or what.

(57:08):
But I think that it's just a testing ground at
this point. I think that all of the UFO technology,
all of the reverse engineering, all of the alien bodies
you know, alive or otherwise, we're all picked up in
either moved to Dulce or moved to that base. I

(57:30):
can never remember the name of under the ground in Alaska.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Right right, the Black Pyramid spot.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I think it's one of those two sites.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I'll go with you on that one. Yeah, I think
if one.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Way too in the public eye, way too in the
public eye.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah. I look at Area fifty one like it's uh
oh damn.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
It just had it on the top of my head.
The place where they used to store all the gold
and what is it, Kentucky or whatever? Fort Knox, Yeah,
Fort Knox. And then they go, oh, there's no more
gold in Fort Knox. It's all it's all BS well, yeah,
because you made it so public that.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
It's lost its secrecy and a lure. Same with.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
The Bohemian Grove thing, like I'm sure at one point,
yeah it was you know, that was the spot that
it leaked to people caught on.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Yeah, I agree. And you know we've talked about that
before because I'm deep into Bohemian Grove because I was
like right down the road from where I grew up,
literally like right down the road, right and I didn't
even know it was a thing. I mean it was
I just knew that there was like a men's club
in the woods. That's what I grew up, and it
was talked about it's just a meta club. And I

(59:03):
didn't think twice about it, because I mean I was
all over the Russian River and you know, I'm all
over Gernville, Ontario, like all around in there. I go
back up into you know, all of those little towns,
and I had never heard of the Bohemian Grove right right.
But I remember, like I've told you, when I was eighteen,
they used to, you know, back in the day when

(59:24):
I was a kid, you got a job by looking
through the long hands in the newspaper. And I had
done cocktail work, like cocktail waitressing work before, and they
were advertising for a cocktail waitress at Bohemian Grove and
I had told my dad, Hey, I think I'm going
to drive out to the river and apply here because
it looks kind of cool. My dad was like, oh,

(59:48):
hell no, no, there is no way in hell you
were going to work. And I didn't know what the
big hubbub was because all I news it was like
it was essentially a country club, is what I was
brought up to believe it was. Either apparently my father
had heard the rumors not shared them with me, which

(01:00:11):
is fine. I mean I was about eighteen when that
ad was out, but you know, he hadn't shared any
of that with me. I mean if he had, I
probably wouldn't have said anything and just gotten the job.
And I would have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Been like yeah, and then I wouldn't have known at all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah, and I would have probably disappeared in the Redwoods
and I'd be like a four to one one show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
You'd have been a mountain, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
So I think like back then, like back in the eighties,
I think the you know, seventies, sixty seventies, eighties, probably before.
I think that it very likely was a New World
Order kind of place. Right. It's where one percent or
meaning in doing our shit and making plans and deals

(01:01:03):
in all of that now because there's such a spotlight
in it, and so many people are getting past the guards.
I mean, people are literally climbing over that mountain. And
let me tell you, climbing over those mountains that's no
joke because there is probably two feet worth of like
leaf litter as well as like old logs and stuff,

(01:01:23):
and it is steep, rocky like terrain under all of that, right,
so and snakes like I wouldn't go over the mountain,
but people are doing that. They're climbing literally up over
the mountain into the camps.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And they're getting way, you know, they're getting way past where.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Anybody you know, if you think like the forties, fifties, sixties, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Yeah, And it is also a very.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Very telling part about it because that's where you know,
the Roswell incident is right down the road from where
that went down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
So but you know they talk.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
About, uh, when when it came to the Roswell, everything
went to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, right, So, but yeah,
because they didn't have an establishment there you know, they
they had car Well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
And it landed in Carswell for a minute, I don't know,
to refuel or something. And then it went to write
to Patterson because I remember that because I was like,
oh shit, I went to Carswell, which is basically where
Chris works. Yeah, and when I first moved to Texas,
I did a guy that was stationed out at Carswell,
and I just I remember that little tidbit of information.
It was really interesting to me because I had been

(01:02:42):
on base.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Yeah, and I find the I find the like you
were saying, I think it's more for secretive uh, not
so much like stolen like alien stuff, but secret of
aircraft because when you look at like the phoenix lights

(01:03:04):
and stuff like that, you know, if I'm about yeah,
you know, like yeah, like why is that in the
same region and the same you know, I guess it
would be latitude latitude in the line, you know, right there.
So to me, it seems more like it's it's it's

(01:03:24):
more for actual government top secret technology opposed to originally
what the location was for was because you look at
the Bob Blazar thing, you know, and that was that

(01:03:46):
was more for the reverse engineering, so you get the
reverse engineering, you get what you need out of it
or what you can out of it, and then that
location has already been disclosed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
People are are you talking about it? So it becomes popular.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
It's way too there's way too much attention on it,
Like it's hard to conduct secretive things when you've got
a world not just the localized focus, but a worldwide
focus on it now because I mean we're not the
only people in the world talking about it. People talking
about it in Russia, I mean in Australia, I mean
literally globally, people everywhere globally.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Yea one is yeah, when when the crack ask gets
too hot, you know, fact exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah. So yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent
on the area fifty one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
And I do think that they moved it to more
undisclosed locations, you know. And I definitely believe in the
more underground parts of it, like the dul.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Say you know, like Mountaineer you know, and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Sure, yeah, yeah, and those are restricted too. That I mean,
we could literally do like a three hour show.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Near as much as I know about Shasta. Shasta's crazy.
Shasta's been crazy for years. And what's interesting to me
is the farther away you get from the Western States,
the less you hear about Shasta, Like it might come
up as a side on different topics, But if you're
in California or Oregon or probably even Washington, like, Shasta

(01:05:38):
is a very concentrated area. It has been a UFO
hospital for ages, right, But it's not something that I
hear a lot of people talk about since I've been
in the South. Now, that's not to say they're not
talking about it. Clearly, anybody in the UFO field or
the paranormal field is heard a story or two about it.
But when you're growing up out there, like you hear
a lot of stories.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
About it, right, Yeah, yeah, tell us. In my forties,
Dasta was a soda that you got in Texas, like
the cheap soda that you got. I didn't even know
it was like a thing. I was like, Ah, Shasta.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
I remember driving by it going to and from Oregon,
you know, in the summers, because a lot of times
we'd follow Highway one up into Oregon, but occasionally we
take I five and that takes you right past Shasta.
And I remember as a kid looking at it out
the window because I mean, it's a giant volcano that
dominates the landscape for a minute because it's pretty flat

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leading up to it. R I remember looking at it thinking,
I wonder if there really are aliens in there, you know,
And I was like a kid, I was like ten,
you know, eleven, twelve, I think looking at this volcano, going,
you know, I wonder if all the stories are true.
I wonder if there really are alien bases in there.
You know, the lenticular clouds that tend to form over

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volcanoes and high peaks don't help because those one percent
look like spasors. But yeah, it's just not something you
hear about that much, at least in my experience outside
of the Western States.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
So I never full yeah stories.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I've never physically been up there, but from all the
things I've seen and uh, you know and kind of
like the same things, it's Schess is very rare as
far as like when you're watching like Unsolved Mysteries or
you know, Monster Quest or something like that, Like that's

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not a popular one, So that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
It's it's not as popular just adds credibility.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
To it, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
It sparks my intrigue, Like yeah, yeah, I yeah, I'm
with you on that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
So okay, talking about government places, so Plumb Island keeps
coming up in the chat. So Plumb Island is a
government research facility that specializes in animal diseases.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
All right, yeh biological.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah, there's a lot of stories circulating about things getting
off the island and you know, weird things like weird
disfigured animals washing up on the shore in the surrounding area.
So with monster, yeah right, which I still I don't know.

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I think it's a dog. But the thought of anything
like dying like that just that breaks my heart. A
lot of animals being tested anywhere when there are prisons
stuffed with pedophile is also another like that, like leave
the animals alone, grab a pedophile, you'll get better test

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results in your I mean it's one to one, like
you don't have to Well, if it I reacted this
way in a lambrat, we can look at the DNA
in the labratte and relate that over to the human DNA,
and how would you know speculate on how it'd react
with human. No, there's a pedophile, there's them, go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Anyway, what do you think about the whole Plumb Island
like animal disfigured animals washing up, Like are they doing
genetic experiments out there own Plum Island with those not
disease research, but actual genetic alteration.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Well see that that I have no I have no
dog in the fight about it. They don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
The logical thing for Plumb Island that I've always looked
into was, uh, disease part right, So I know that
they had a bunch of that. That's apparently where what's

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that lime disease came from?

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Right? And how about the one that's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Allergic to meat? Like the tick barry you've heard of
that that came out in recent years, Like there is
a disease carried by the tics that makes you literally
allergic to the proteins and red meat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I've never heard that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah, it's it's legitimate.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
When it came out, I was like, oh, the vegan disease, right, Well,
I know there was a there was a tick thing
that apparently they it was.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Like a un eliven in Castro type of thing, and
they unleashed it in Cuba and it was like and
the ticks flourish like in that habitat.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Sure, and then that was like, let.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Me tell you there is no containment. Like when when
I hear about like potential uses like in movies and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Of course, you know, right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
But when I hear them like, oh, that's a biological weapon.
Imagine if we take this thing and we release it
behind enemy lines, and we did, the world is connected,
Like you release it behind enemy lines. Unless that thing,
like Peter's out in its own timeline, like within one
or two cycles, like unless it becomes completely inert within

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like two life cycles, it's confect everybody on this planet,
you included.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean that's that's as
far as I really know that, Like I know that
they go, oh, the mo on Top monster and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
You know it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
I don't know, I think, I think anywhere that but
there is like this this big hole.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
It is known as a biological research facility.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
There is a I know, it's like a very fenced in,
very well guarded spot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Which you know makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
As far as the fact that, yeah, yeah, you'd have isolated,
but those people got to go home, you know what
I mean, they're you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
The containments and the clean rooms and the you know,
you know, decontamination stages that you have to go through
depending on what disease you're working with. I mean, the
CDC is something very similar in place, right, They've got
like E.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Well, I mean it's kind of like that remember that
freaking movie in the I think it was either the
late eighties or the early nineties, h like Dustin Hoffman.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Outbreak.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Yeah, it's gonna come, you know, And and it's got.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
To be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Understood that no matter how much you try to isolate,
you know, if you're if you're messing around with that
kind of stuff, then yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
There's listen, there is no I don't believe it at all, right,
exactly jacking around. At some point, there's going to be
like cross contamination. There's going to be an outbreak to
some degree. Now, whether it's quickly contained and squashed be super.

(01:13:43):
But you know, just like we had talked about before
with like the coronavirus, right, I don't think that some
dude was eating raw back on a wet market in
the Chinese like some Chinese province and like contracted some
rare ass thing that nobody's ever seen before and spread

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it around the world.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
I love the South Park version of it, where Randy
Marsh's drug can knock down a bat and I mean, sorry,
I sorted, sorry, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Not buying that. I think that it was released. Yeah,
I think it was released. Like okay, whether it was
released on purpose or somebody was contaminated and went out
into the world not knowing they were contaminated, whatever the
case is. Think that that was uh an outbreak, right,
not from some random crap happening in a market somewhere.

(01:14:47):
I think that it's it came out of a very
controlled environment.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Well, see, what what rings true to me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Is like, say, like the Cuba thing, right, Like, if
you we're gonna purposely release it, you would release it
in an isolated area that has.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
No travel between them and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Your country, right, So like you have the Cuban embargo
and only certain people are So if you go, oh,
here's an island that no one can go in and
out of into our world, then yeah, we can punch
it on them and have no problem about it. But yeah,

(01:15:36):
it's like someone was saying earlier, like the zombie thing,
it didn't matter once you make a zombie, it's we've
all seen the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
We've all watched every freaking horror movie.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
It's gonna get out and eventually you're gonna get bit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah, like don't like, I don't want to live through
a zombie apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Please please keep the no. So what's the point behind
creating any kind of genetic alteration or virus or whatever
the heck it is it? What's the point affusing ridiculous
crap together? Because I've seen that horror movie and it

(01:16:29):
doesn't end. Well, what is the point to what end
do you need to make a superbug? To what end
do you have to merge Raby's and COVID, Like, let's
see what this does. Yeah, it ends the world. Please tak.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Yeah, it's just that's for God's sake.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
You live on this planet. To you idiots that are
making it, you live here too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
We'll see. But I mean, that's it's it's it's weird.
That's that's like the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
That's the whole thing about uh, certain parts of humanity
is they weaponize everything, you know, Like if you take
black powder from.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
You know, China.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Back in the day when they first made black powder,
it was they would literally.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Like have like what we would call like black cats,
you know, and they'd put them in the corners of
their houses. If there was a fire. It would go off,
and then they knew it was like.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
A fire alarm and then you know, well, I mean
but you know, would wake you up. But then we
ended up turning it into you know, brother against brother,
and and you know, let's see how much bigger we

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can get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Now, you know, create projectiles to work, right, I gotcha
to weaponize, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
And it's sad that humanity gets to that point where
it's more about weaponry than it is about Well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
It's all about money at the end of the day,
Like how much can I sell, Who's going to pay
me the most for this? How notable can I be
if I developed this? And maybe I have a cure,
but I'm not going to tell you about it because
the ain't no money in the cure. Yeah, it's all
about money at the end of the day. Greed, and
it's so gross.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Yeah, it is, absolutely, Yeah, because I remember when I
was a kid, when I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Getting kicking my legs, so you just weaponize your life.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
I weaponized my slipper against my light plug.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Yes, no, but I remember, like when I was a kid,
they used to sell they'd call them, uh snake shot, right,
and it was like a little twenty gauge a little
twenty gauge shotgun pump, and you know everybody had them
just to kill snakes, you know, And now you try

(01:19:12):
to go and buy like a twenty gage shotgun and
it's I think they used to sell for like eighty bucks,
like and they have them like in a barrel, like
a bunch of them upside down, like kind of like
a novelty, you know what I mean, kind of like
you used to buy big lightsabers and and then then

(01:19:37):
it increased to the factor where you're gonna pay two
hundred dollars for that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
So yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
It is a monetization value for for weaponization against mankind
of so or you know, your own pelic human beings,
which is fucked up, you know, like keep it with
the rats and and the and the snakes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
You know, there's enough horrible things curling around. And listen,
this scares me too. And we'll talk about this and
then we'll just stop because we're almost at the hour
and a half mark and I'm tired. But let's consider
all of the viruses that are in the perma frost
that is now being defrosted. Mmmm, just warms my heart

(01:20:28):
to think about the crap that's locked up in that
that our bodies haven't been exposed to for god knows
how long, probably forgotten to have, Like our bodies don't
have the ability any longer bullshit off since what comes
out of the perma frost?

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Yeah, yeah, now that's that's another one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
So, yeah, we didn't even touch Antarctica or yeah the
h double a r P.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Yeah, I mean you can go right into a c
r N.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
I mean yeah, yeah, it's all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Like we could do another show about Antarctica for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Yeah, because the world's flat and they want to they
want to make sure you Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
I'm not going to talk about like if you're sailing
around the continent, I'm sure it looks like an ice wall.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
It's cool though, now, but yeah, actually, you know that
might keep us from going, what the hell are we
going to talk about next week? I just.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Well, yeah, the whole interior, the dang place Again. It
goes right back to who the hell do you think
you are to tell me it's too dangerous for me.
You're not my mom, you're not my daddy. Yeah, Like
I don't need you telling me as a grown ass
adult that I can and can't do ship because you
do it's too dangerous or.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
You know, or so even if you go like by
territorial sides, if I got a passport to go into
your country or whatever, then you know, I should be
able to do whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
The fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
You know, no one goes, Oh you're not allowed to
roam through the hills of Romania on a bicycle, you know,
or go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Through I'm not going to ask them why, but I
will ask my own government why.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Well, right, But what I'm saying is like, once you're there,
there's no reason that you can't, Like there shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Let me say that, there shouldn't be a reason why.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
You cannot travel through that country if you're allowed in
that country to go you know, like what are like
I never did it, but like the college kids to
go backpacking through Europe and you know, and that they'll
go this hostile.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
When I hear that exactly, somebody tells me they're back
packing through Europe, I'm like, I see that horror movie,
but there's no one when I saw the second one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah, but there's no one going.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Nah, you can't go because there's hostels and yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
No, you might get kidnapped. Please don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, I have to make that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
I mean, you know, I'm sure they'd love to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Right, So what's your your movie review?

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
So? Okay, so my movie recommendations, it's not even a review,
they're just recommendations following up on my talk on the
Blondes and Booze about the Faye. So, if you would
like movies that are heavy into fay in folklore, it

(01:23:54):
is the first one would be legend, right, the eighties
Tom Cruise movie huh of fay and folklore in that time?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Bowie, No, that's Labyrinth. Oh yeah, okay, gotcha, all right,
I'm back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
It's the one where the guy who did penny Wise,
the original penny.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Wise, Tim Curry.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Tim Curry is darkness. He looks like yes kind of.
So anyway, there is a ton of Fay and then
Fay folklore and just folklore in general from around the world,
not just centralized around the world, all in there. And
the same with hell Boy. The hell Boy series in
general like taps on the Faye. But Hellboy two is

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so heavy in the Fay lore, so heavy in Faye.
So if you're interested in movies that are heavy in
both and are pretty you know, spot on with the
with the legends and the mythology and the folklore. Check
both of those out, and I'm sure like you've seen them.
If you haven't, you're missing out. I really recommend them.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, and people might you know,
hate me for it. But the David Bowie one lab Labyrinth,
I wasn't a fan. It was too much muppets and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Well, yeah, yeah there's not. There's some puppetry in Legend, okay,
but not as heavy as the one you're thinking of. Labyrinth.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Yeah, I just it just didn't get my goat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
I mean, but I mean, okay, So in Legend you
have all unicorns. Of course, that's like the central thing
is like you touched the unicorn, you unpure person. But
then there's uh, there's Faye in the form of the
little tinker Bell looking fae, which there are. There's Faye

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that are larger that eat people. There's Meg Mucklebones, who
is essentially Jenny Green teeth out of the I think
it's Walsh folklore. There is just so much like woven
in there, and it's pretty pretty spawn with the Faye

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and then Hell Boy two specifically, I mean it is
straight up Fay, just straight up from the beginning, pay yeah,
and accurate, and it's pretty tied into Celtic Faye folklore
like the Natha that's all like, that's all killed. Take

(01:26:47):
it for what you want. But like I said, if
you guys are interested in that kind of thing, both
those movies are awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
I would have a movie suggestion, But like, right before
the show, well about two hours before the show started,
I'd tooken nap, but I was watching In the Search
of Darkness three, which is all about eighties VHS movies,

(01:27:17):
and it was like an information overload, so I'll bring
one up tomorrow. But I was like, there's so many
of them. Like I was like The Fog, should we
do Giant Carpenter?

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Yeah? Yeah, And so.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
It kind of had me like because I was like
sleeping and I was dreaming at the same time but
listening to it, which made it very fucking interesting. I
was like I woke up and I'm like, uh, oh, yeah,
and what's uh what's her name? The chick from the Fog?

(01:28:02):
She's in creep show? Who knows like Patricia Bernard from
The fog.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Yeah, she's like the main.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Oh she owns the lighthouse.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Yeah yeah, god bless. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
So like she was like in my dreams, so I
was like, I was like I had too much information
overload basically. So yeah, so yeah, Adrian Bardell, Yeah thanks Nikkiji. Yeah,
but uh but yeah, I have something for tomorrow and

(01:28:44):
yeah I think, yeah, me too. After that getting sick
and all that, like I'm still recovering, but you know,
so to tomorrow, I think we're going to do because
last week we did the playground games, right, so I

(01:29:11):
think tomorrow we're going to do nursing Rhymes and then.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
We'll week after that we'll do board games.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Yeah, because nursery Rhymes is going to take significantly longer. Sure, Yeah,
so I think we'll knock that out and then I
think only got one more show after that before I
go out to South Padre for like a whole week
and a half. Sweet Yeah, right in the middle of charts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
I don't think it's going to interfere with my shows though.
I think I'm gone maybe a rob show I'm going
to the end of July the twenty six, three thirtieth.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Well, I think I'm I'm leaving the eleventh, and it'll
be like a whole week almost and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
A half after that. Okay, so yeah, but gins it's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Jim's like, I'm getting binoculars and I was like, yeah,
and I'll shaw you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Earth is flat. She's like, shut up, stupid, But yeah,
but yeah, So we'll time up.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
And and try to bring some good content for everybody,
So you know, tune in, show up, and show out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Yep. So check us tomorrow night on Breezy's channel to
Breezy Speak Easy. I'll be on with Big Michigan Rob
Saturday night having fun as always, and pretty soon I'm
going to be starting up a new show with Rob
on Thursday afternoons. So more of BMR and Monica this

(01:31:07):
time in the afternoons, So stay tuned for that. And
thanks to everybody who came into chat, and thanks to
BMR and Werewolf for your donations. Thank you so much,
and until next time, y'all have a good night and
we will catch you later.

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