July 10, 2025 • 54 mins
Uni and Pastor Ben "Rabbi" Gohlstin interview Jesse Ruffin about Carolyn's Law, an initiative for a Nursing Facility Patient's Bill of Rights in Ohio. Rabbi and Uni discuss the importance of political engagement and community involvement, leading into a conversation with Jesse Ruffin. Ruffin shares the emotional story of his late wife, Carolyn, and the traumatic experience she endured in a nursing home, inspiring his advocacy for better patient-to-staff ratios through Carolyn's Law Incorporation. He emphasizes the need to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves and encourages listeners to support Carolyn's Law (carolinslaw.org) to get it on the November ballot. Ruffin, a 71-year-old deacon and real estate broker, thanks supporters like State Representative Daniel P. Troy and Congresswoman Shontel Brown.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to our voices today book Club Tuesday with Uni
and the Rabbi right here on w OVU ninety five
point nine FM. How y'all doing, How y'all living, How
y'all feeling? I know, I know, I know, y'all gonna
beat me up. Y'all all ready to beat me up.
But look, look we are recolliborating here at WOBU, just
as we are with our voices today, So just bear
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with me.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Bear with me. We got some special guests coming.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Up later in the week and we got one live
in the studio with us today.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
How you doing, Rabbi, I'm doing well. I'm doing well.
I'm having a good time.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
How was your weekend? I'll beat you too at the
five Busy busy all right.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I got to DJ at the Botentacal Garden this past
Friday for the Deep Roots kickoff exhibit. There they're opening night,
which was again at the Botentnacal Garden, so it was
monumental for them.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
If you're unfamiliar, you're with Deep Roots.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It is a black owned art gallery right here in
the neighborhood off of seventy ninth and Central and shout
out today.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
He been doing his thing making sure that the art
in Cleveland states progressive and is continuously being exposed with
black artists.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And I love it. I love it. But yeah, the
rest of my weekend, yeah, I ain't even gonna talk about.
What about you? How was your weekend?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I had a good one. We went to the rooftop
again and had they have this dish that I love,
is a brunchy dish. It's a filling me on the
three eggs. Yeah. Right. And then Saturday night we went
to Martin's. It was my daughter's birthday. We went to
Martin's and I had a little steak and lobster. Yesterday
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I spent with our guests planning some things and working
with our guess. But before we introduce him, one of
the things, you know, we've been discussing uni on the show,
how we must understand the political process. Yes, okay, And
very often we take and elect people to offers and
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we abdicate our power to them, all right, because we
say they are our leaders, and they're not our leaders,
all right. They are our representatives and servants, and we
don't do due diligence.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
See, I'm glad I let you finish that statement, because
I was ready to cut you off for a second,
but I'm glad I let you finish because as the.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
People, we initially empower.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Them, and we have to give them instructions, and we
fail to do that, and so then anything that they
do becomes all right. It becomes their agenda and not
our agenda necessarily all right, And so we must begin
to retrench, re entrench ourselves, re empower ourselves by contacting
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our representatives and giving them instructions as to what we
need them to do. And with that being said, we
have in the studio with us today, gentlemen. I met
a little while ago and spent some time with yesterday.
Jesse Ruffin, who is a real estate broker here in
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the greater Cleveland area, has a wonderful office on Libby Road.
It has been a mainstay of Cleveland, Ohio for his life,
doing a wonderful job. However, and a point in brother
Ruffin's life, his family had some adverse circumstances. I'm doing
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it this way because I don't want to tell his
story right. Well, I'll let him tell his story. But
Jesse and his wife had a traumatic experience that that
was terminal for her. And because of that, Jesse now
is on a campaign right. He has developed an initiative
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that he wants to place on the November ballot. Jesse Jesse, Jesse,
Jesse ruffin our our our citizen, uh here in the
greater Cleveland area. How are you this morning, Jesse?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Good morning, sir. I'm doing very well, and thank you
for having me here. It's a honor and a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Good good to have you, Jesse. I you know, I
don't want to tell your story, but give us a little,
give us a little history, give a little a little
history of who you.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Who and what you are and how you how you
came to where we are today. Well, wonderful, thank you, sir.
It's a it's always an emotional story for me to tell,
so forgive me if I do get a little emotional.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's all right, it's understandable.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
But as you stated, I I was married to my
wife Carolyn for forty four years. We have uh two
daughters and a son. We have ten grandchildren. In fact,
we have five girls and five boys. Right, we're basketball
team for the girls and wool all right, and sh
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they were wonderful. She just loved those kids. And UH.
There came a time when she was diagnosed with a
tumor and a brain tumor and it had to be removed.
And we went through that process and it was a success.
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They did remove the tumor. It was not cancerous. However,
after she received that procedure, uh, she had to go
into the nursing home. Uh. And during that time, within
ten days of her being in a nursing home, UH,
she ended up falling on her head oh and had
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over a third of her brain uh, which is uh
they call it a uh hom uh hematoma. A third
of her brain tissue was uh bl uh blood and
she suffered uh for three and a half years uh
with trake two feed uh that type of thing for
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three and a half years. During that time period, I
spent every night, every night with her mm in the
nursing homes and rehabilitation facilities and emergency rooms because I
felt that after her falling, I couldn't understand how that
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could have happened. But once I got involved, I found
out that the nurses and nurse age was taken care
of as many as twenty five and thirty patients in
a twelve hour sh and because of the time that
I spent daily for three and a half years, I
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got to learn and know a lot of people, and
we talked and got information. We found out that California
had established a nurse staff patient law, and we looked
into that and from that particular information we came and
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brought it to Ohio. So on took us several years
to get the petition established. A lot of people don't
know how hard this is, because I didn't know either.
But I had promised my wife before she passed that
something would be done because we didn't want anybody else
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to have to go through what we went through. And
you can imagine after being with someone forty four years,
we are at our retirement age and we wanted to
have some time together and travel. All that was taken
away from us and the joy of our her grandchildren.
So Carolyn's Law uh In Corporation was established as a
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nonprofit organization to go out and fight for those that
cannot fight for themselves. There were a lot of people
that were in the nursing homes that didn't have anybody,
and you could hear them at night and during the
day crying and asking for help, and they just didn't
have enough people to help them. These are some of
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the people that we're fighting for now because it's not
gonna help my wife, because she's going on to be
with the Lord. But in her honor, we named it
Carolyn's Law. So the legal name is Nursing Facility Patients
Bill of Rights known as Carolyn's Law.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Jesse, Jesse, and I'm hearing you, and your story is compelling.
But Jesse, who are you? Who is Jesse Roughing?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
All right?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, your church you go to, you know, we want
to know about you.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Jesse. Okay, Well once again, I'm seventy one years old
right now, all right, Lord has blessed me to be
seventy one years old in spite of some of the
illnesses and challenges I've had. I am a member of
the East Mountains Iion Baptist Church, where the Reverend Brian
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Anthony Cash is our pastor. Doctor now, yes, doctor doctor Cash.
I've been a member there since nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
All right.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I married Carolyn in nineteen seventy seven, and that's when
we had three children, Carmen, Tasha, and Jesse. The third
and after working with the Water Department, the City of Cleveland,
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and Republic Steel and dealing with all the politics in
those situations, I decided to ask the Lord to give
me an opportunity to establish my own business and my
own company so that I can do the things that
I think is fair and right. And so we were
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blessed to get involved with opening up Rough and Real
Estate company, and we have I've been in real estate
since nineteen eighty and we have survived about five different
presidents and different situations over forty five years, which is
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a lessons So you know, only God could carry you
through those many years and keep you up and running.
So basically that's where I'm at right now, Native Cleveland.
I was born here in Cleveland, Yes, sir, Actually it
was called Lakeside Hospital which is now University Hospital. Yeah.
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That the Lord allowed me to enter into this world
on September fourth of nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
All right, yes, educated and of course being a native
Cleveland or you're educated, what high school did you go to?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well? I went to John Hay all right, the lawyers, right,
the lawyers, John Hay, John Hay right there on one
hundred book keepers.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Their mascot kind of.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Oh, the bees, the bees.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yes, okay, okay, all right, yes.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Okay, so now you're taking me back now, all right? Yeah,
so that's pretty much you know my story in the summary.
Someone had asked me to write a book about this experience.
But you know, I'm not focusing so much on myself
right now because after experiencing what happened to my wife,
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things that used to interest me doesn't interest me as
much as they used to because I found out a
lot of things we'd be trying to get involved with
really don't mean that much. And when you think about
your purpose of being here on this earth, God put
us here for a purpose. And I have more time
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behind me than I do in front of me. So
I'm trying to do God's will the best I can.
And I'm not trying to preach, but I'm just testified.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
All right, Well you're a good deacon that he's mouth
zying and my correct.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yes, d Cess nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
All right, okay, and so Jesse, where where's your business located?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
We're located at one seven zero two seven Libby Road
in Maple Heights, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
All right, so, Juny, why don't you take us to
break and we'll come back with our special guests Jesse
Ruffing and Carolyn's Law in just a few moments.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yes, you are listening to book Club Tuesday right here
on WOVU ninety five point nine FM.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Welcome back to book Club Tuesday, and our voice is
today right here on WOVU ninety five point nine FM,
Burton Bell Car Community Radio. And if you are just
tuning into UNI and the Rabbi on OVT, look we
got mister Jesse Ruffing in the studio with every time
I hear your last name, I think about you know what.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
David, which is actually a third cousin of mine. Oh wow, wow.
I wasn't gonna ask for you know, I just don't.
I just don't have it. I can't care a note
in a bucket.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You got them bills in your pocket.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
That's what it matters.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So before the break, we were talking about just you
in general. Of course you brought it back to the mission.
I want to go back to you just a little
bit before we get into Carolyn's Law and the mission
and what has transpired and where we are going.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
How what sector of realty are.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You in a residential and commercial.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, okay, because look are you hiring people?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Want to know we always are looking for good workers. Okay, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
When you say good workers, do you mean like the
people that help you flip the homes, like people like
construction workers, contractors, things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well, actually, I have a commercial out now about the
flipping concept, which I have a slight problem with that.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Okay, let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Because when a person invests into a home, that's mostly
the most expensive investment they'll make, and it really makes
them who they are and their inheritance. And then to
have someone come along and talk them out of their
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equity because they want to purchase the property for thirty
to forty percent less than what the value of the
property is for cash. That may sound good to most people,
but it's really taking away their equity. I believe a
person that purchased a property should get total equity and
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appreciation out of their the value of their property. And
that's what we focus on, getting people their fair market value,
and the same thing for the buyers. We wanna get
them their fair market value because even the flippers, if
they do sell the property, they gonna sell it at retail.
They're not gonna sell it at wholesale, so it's not
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a benefit to the buyer really. So that's my personal
opinion from being in this industry forty five years, and
I have invested in properties, and I've done flips too,
because there have been some situations where people needed that,
But the majority is for people to benefit from their
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equity that they receive in their property. So when we
hire on individuals that salespersons, we teach them the value
of property and how important it is for people, especially
people of color, to own property and to own land.
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And if you do your research, you'll find out that
as a generation of black of African American bl negroes
or whatever they want to try and call you, the
bottom line is we still don't have a high market.
A percentage in ownership in this country stills today no
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different than it was back in eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Really, that's people don't understand. That's the real basis of
wealth is the only real estate. All right, You canna
have a million dollars in the bank, all right, but
be land poor or you say, say you're leasing your
property and you have no real value. The value comes
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in being a property. You can own a lot. You
canna have five dollars in the bank and own a lot,
and you're more wealthy than a person with a million
dollars and leasing.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
If that makes sense that I understand, because they don't own.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yes. See, the definition of a real American, if we
go back right before the movement, was to be a
white male Anglo Saxon Protestant twenty one years old with
at least one acre of land. So you had to
be white, you had to be male. You had to
be a Protestant, white male, not female, all right, because
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the white female was not considered to be a real American. Okay,
an adult twenty one years old, and you had to
be wealthy, and wer wealth was considered by you having
at least one acre of land or more.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Where did we get away as a society here in America?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Where did we get away from wanting to own land
and understanding the value and the property.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
We were never given the fair opportunity to be landowners,
all right. We're either denied, you know, the opportunity, or
or blocked from Okay, being denied or blocks. Right one,
you couldn't get the loan, yes to amateurize okay, red
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still red lining. Okay. I remember a time when you
you could get a car, but you couldn't buy a house,
all right. They were because the car was a depreciating value,
all right. But but a house that accelerates in value,
or property and accelerates in value, they would not. Okay. Secondly,
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we must remember that up until the nineteen forties or so,
most most black banks, I mean most banks would not
accept black money, all right. We had to keep our
money in the mattress, or in the hole in the floor,
in the wall, or maxwell house coffee can, okay, and
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so those kinds of things, you know. And because you
did not have an account with a bank, a bank
would not chamateurize you, all right. And so we must
understand the kinds of things that we've had to go through,
all right to get there. And then the bottom. Let
remember we go back to old data January first, eighteen
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sixty three, after Lincoln signs of the Emancipation Proclamation on
September twenty second, eighteen sixty two. January first, when the
Emancipation Proclamation became effected to free the slaves only in
the South, the total economic value of the people of
African origin in this country was one point two percent
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of the gross national product of this country today is
April the eighth, I believe, Okay, twenty twenty five, all right,
I said to twenty twenty five. Okay, twenty twenty five,
one hundred and sixty years later, Okay, of their about
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proximy one hundred and sixty years later, we still only
represent one point two percent of the gross national product.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Of this country.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Which which is why that was a question in my head,
because is it something that we pretty much have had
zero access to due to those others and the structure
of the society here in America, And then we just
got to the point where we just weren't interested anymore
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because I feel like in the sixties, maybe fifty sixties,
I feel like the black family home buying was something
that they wanted to do, whether they were able to
or not. But now today a lot of black family
that's not the focus.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Back then, we huddled. You have other ethnicities that are huddling,
Hispanic Asians.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Going back to that communal lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Everybody lived in one house, you know, you know, taking
you save your money, and you know, because see if
you got ten people living in the house and ten
people are contributing to the sustainability of that home, right,
just hypothetically, if the cost is one thousand dollars a
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month to run that house ten people, that's one hundred dollars,
all right. But if you got two people in the
house and it's a thousand dollars, that's five hundred apiece.
All right, How can you It's easier to save when
ten people are sharing a thousand, and now you have nine.
If say each everybody's got a thousand dollars coming in,
now you can nine. You can save nine hundred dollars
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every month. All right. So in a year, look what
you saved. If you stay there, if you sit there
in that situation for five years, look what you have
in five years that you can now step out on
your own and be that huddle source for another.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Group of people.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
All right, We don't do that, No, we did not,
all right? They all right, they for the most part
have been isolationists individualism, and so we we we in
assimulating to them, we're more concerned in our own silos
than we are in huddling. If that makes sense. Let's
get back to.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And property, folks.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Folks come back and listen to Black Thought the Spark
at one o'clock and we'll we'll go into this a
little bit deeper.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Ye yeah, all right, I've been around for a.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
While, Subli, but we definitely want to get back on
track with Carolyn's law and talking about the journey how
it has been getting here, understanding the patient to nurse
ratio in general, and you gave me.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
A card with some statistics. Let's talk about them.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
One to eight nurse to patient ratio and in some
long term situations it goes one to twenty. Being an
AID myself again, you know, I'm uni and I've lived
many lives. I was an STNA at some point or another,
and I remember I work nights. I always wanted third shift.
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I hate it first and second it was just way
too busy for me, and third was calm. I had
a to thirty patients at one point and that is
why I left, because you get burned out obviously way
quicker the more patients that you have, and that's absurd
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to me. That is absurd, no matter what the law is,
that is absurd. Thirty people to one.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up because you had
first hand experience, but really there is no law as
to how many patients that the nurses or the sage
are required to have. They have what they call some ethics,
but there's no law, and that's why we decided to
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hire a law firm to help us put this petition
together to have the initiative to become a constitutional amendment
for the state of Ohio. So what that basically means
is this petition goes out to four hundred and four
hundred and fourteen thousand signatures, is what we have to
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get in order to get it to the ballot, which
means we need seven hundred and fifty thousand signatures, because
thirty to forty percent of the signatures.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Will be.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Removed or rejected. And that's because if your signature doesn't
match what's on your registration card, if you moved and
you didn't change your address, if your name changed, you
got married, and whatever the case may be. Some people,
I know, I don't write the same way I did
when I registered minds what fifty something years ago. So
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those are the things that can happen that will alleviate
a lot of the signatures. So a lot of people say, well,
why is it taking you so long. Well, when we
saw what happened to the teachers over in Arizona, when
they went out and got three hundred and seventy five
thousand signatures and then when it was brought you know,
to the legal to the state, they threw them out
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for what you know, because well there was several reasons
they threw them out. But we didn't want that to
happen because we've been in seventy two different counties already
getting signatures as volunteers, and our group hassed and we
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it's just been amazing how many people are so thankful
for what we're doing and praying that this happens, because
this is not a situation that concerns a Republican or
a Democrat or Independent or a Green Party or Tea Party.
This is a people a person situation and we're all
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aging and they are needed. These facilities are needed. So
when we found out that there was no law and
it wasn't anything that would you know, give guidelines as
to what they should or shouldn't do, that's why we
established the Nursing Facility Patients Bill of Rights known as
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Carolyn's Law in honor of my wife's name because of
the experience that we had from her situation. So I've
heard people say, well, he's doing this for his wife.
You know, I don't want that to be a misunderstanding.
I love my wife and I'm honoring her, But this
is for the people that needed that can't speak for themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yes, and there are so so many in these facilities
across the country, really across the world, that do not
have anyone to speak up for them.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So this work is so so important. What made you
go out and get a lawyer to make sure?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Besides you know the teacher situation in Arizona with all
of their signatures, was that the first step for you
throughout this entire process. Were you off the bet like
I'm just going to get a lawyer because I don't
know anything about this, or did you make some mistakes
along the way before that?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Stet Well, first of all, because I was involved with
my wife's situation for three and a half years, being
there in the facility, learning the nurses and the doctors
and all the individuals involved, I started asking questions on
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you know, why is it happening and what can we do?
Everybody kept saying there's no law, Well we need to
do something, and then we have a bad you know,
we have a situation where we always say they should
do something, they should do this, they should do that,
And you know, I said, well, who are the days
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I am the other day?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
We've been waiting on?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, you know. And furthermore, I said, how could I
go and sit down and enjoy my life knowing what
I've experienced and what I've seen and the people suffering.
So that's why I had to hire an attorney, a
law firm, because I didn't know anything about this. So
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they guided us as to what we needed to do
and how to do it. And we went from let's see,
I don't want to miss anyone, but we went from
city to city, different libraries for a year and a
half talking to the public, asking the public what do
you want in this petition? So it took us a
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year and a half, almost two years to put the
petition together. And then once we put it together in
nine in twenty nineteen, well obviously, you know, COVID hit
and they shut down the country and we couldn't do
nothing for about a year. So after it was opened
back up in two thousand and twenty one, that's when
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we submitted it to the Attorney General and it was
certified June thirtieth up to twenty twenty one. That's a
day I'll never forget because they said we couldn't do it.
The naysayers said it would never have it, and then
they said, well, you got another hurdle to jump because
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you have to take it to the ballot board, you know,
the Secretary of State. It was approved by unanimous everybody
is supported, all five on July fourteen or twenty twenty one.
So once that was done, the attorneys had to modify
the petition to go out to all eighty eight counties.
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And that's why we have a petition now that's prepared
to go into every single county in the state of Ohio. Now,
the law says that we only have to really go
in forty four counties to get it. But I beg
to differ because if we want to hold state of
Ohio to participate at the polls, we can need to
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go in each county and talk to them and let
them know what's going on. That's my position. And we
have right now signatures in seventy two counties, but we
don't have enough. We have to get at least seven
hundred and fifty plus to make sure that we come
in with the right amount. Because check this out. If
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we took five hundred thousand signatures to the Secretary of
State when we need four hundred and fourteen thousand, if
they threw out a hundred thousand, we're short. Yes, and
guess what all those signatures is no good, no more.
You have to start all over. So why would we
take that chance? So I sh I, you know, our
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committee agree, let's take our time, get involved, get the
people involved, and get the the correct number to submit,
so when we do turn 'em in, we'll be successful.
And I know and I believe that from the experience
that we've had with the people that has participated, over
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ninety five percent of the individuals we talk to support this.
Some d don't d some do not vote for whatever reason.
That's that other little small percentage, But mostly the registered
voters are on this because it's they understand. And when
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you hear the stories that the people give us about
their experiences, you know, it's it's just amazing. So I
know this is I believe, this is what the Lord
put on my heart to do. And every day, you know,
I get up. This is on my mind to get
it done.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Oh, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You are listening to book Club Tuesday right here on
w OBU. I don't want to take a break with
I'm gonna take it really, really short when we gonna
come back, because I have so many more questions.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I know you do as well. Rapped I our voices
today will be right back.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Welcome back to book Club Tuesday right here on WOVU.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Ninety five point nine FM.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Our voices today And if you are just tuning in,
we have mister Ruffing in the studio.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
With us live from Caroline. Excuse me, Carolyn's law.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I gotta slow down because I I have so many
questions in my head that I want to make sure
I get in. But I will let Rabbi kick it
back off because I know I saw you chomping off
the bed before the break.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yah, Well we listen. Jesse has for the most part
funded this effort out of his pocket and has been
one of my questions. It has been quite quite costly.
I think probably around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
that he's taken out of his slide. Okay, and now
it's it's going to become necessary for some additional physical
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help from the community. And so one of the things
that we're talking about doing and Jesse has put in
place is a fundraiser that he's going to have in
May May thirty Yes, sir, thirty first, May thirty first.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Okay, No, no, that's the other one.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Okay, but you got too, Okay, tell us about it.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yes, this is an annual function. It's going to be
held at Gambida's Party Center, which is at one six
zero east of Railroad in Northfield, Ohio, on May thirtieth,
which is a Friday, and we're going to have live
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entertainment by the renowned national recording artists and flutist Harold
Willburn Jr. And his band, very very talented group of men,
and we're going to have dinner and then we're going
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to have some special speakers. We're looking forward to having
the Rabbi share some insight with us. Also be glad
to right, thank you, sir. And so after that, we're
going to give our people an opportunity to kind of
relax and enjoy because they all the hard work to
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let them have what they call line dancing and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
No, no, I know, you know that is.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Well, they like it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You just can't do it yourself.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Oh me a little bit. I'm a hand dancer. Really yeah.
But that's what we're doing, and that's a fundraiser because
we have to have these signatures in order to get
on the ballot for November by the end of June,
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because they have to be turned in in July, the
first part of July, because they need one hundred and
twenty days to review and make sure that they have
the adequate signatures so that it can get on the ballot.
And at that time when we have the annual function,
we kind of look and see where we are to
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see if we're in a position to be successful to
get on the ballot.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Thank you, all right, And with that, listen, we we
we we're going to be recruiting circulators, petition circulators. I
think Jesse has some packets here that will explain everything.
Have the petitions in them. The petitions must be circulated
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in the county in which you are in. In other words,
I can't be in have a cay Hoga County petition
and go out to Lake County and get petitions of
signatures all right, So if you're in cai Hoga County,
all the signatures must be in cay Hoga County or
whatever county you find yourself in. We need to do this.
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We need to make sure that we have more than
enough all right signatures, so because as they disqualify some signatures,
we want to be able to make sure that we
have enough to have this on the November ballot. So
we will be contacting different organizations groups, churches at around
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the state to make sure that we have enough CIRCL
petition circulators and we get enough signatures to make sure
it passes must if it will okay, ye.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yes, yes, So again we are looking for volunteers. I
can assume people could go to the website carolynslaw dot
org if they are looking to get involved, or they
want more information about upcoming events, or just if they
would like to share their own stories.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yes, that's right, right. We have the website designed for
people to get involved. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, I I'm glad that you mentioned that, because when
I go to the homepage of the website.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's very big, it's very bold.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's very like if you need reading glasses, you won't
on this website. It's very welcoming, that informative, and so
I love the layout. Again, that's Carolyn's Law dot org.
Carolyn's Law dot org. Next steps, next steps, We're going
to be outside. That means if you want to volunteer,
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please reach out, do not hesitate. If you have a
story to share, please reach out, do not hesitate. If
you want to make sure you are at one of
these two reoccurring events because they're both annual.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Correct, well, this one is annual that I just referred
to the one on the thirty first that was.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Last year's Okay, Oh yes, I see them like bagh.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, definitely four so big.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
If people you know aren't coming outside, can they sign
the petition on the website.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
No, with a constitutional amendment, you have to have what
they call wet ink signatures. Oh okay, wet ink signatures.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
It must be witness by the circulator.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And it must be witnessed by the circulator. It's very rigorous.
But we have all the rules and regulations for you know,
the petitioners and for the people that want to participate signing.
We have that for the in a package for it
to be talked. We train before we turn people loose
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because if they make one era, they can throw out
the whole batch of petitions. And we don't want people
to have to work hard and then sacrifice what they
did because of an era.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I want to ask you this before we get out
of here.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I want to understand and you on on a different level,
because I'm sure this process has been a hard one
for you, like you mentioned in the first segment, but.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
It's levels to it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I'm sure, yes, how has this process in getting this
law implemented into our constitution affected you personally?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Oh? Lord, have mercy.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
There's been many nights I've shed tears. I'm a grown man.
But you know, when you go in your secret moments
of prayer, it's very touching because I think about what
actually happened to my wife, and you know, being a
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a husband, you want to protect your wife, you want
to protect your family. And I wasn't there to protect
her when she failed, and that bothers me deeply, and
that's why I stayed with her every day after that
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until the Lord called her home.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
This is.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Something that I need to do for myself also to
keep me from the flesh. Let me leave it there
keep me from the flesh, cause we know what the
flesh can do. And I'm trying to keep this on
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a spiritual level and let the Lord go because I'll
mess it up if I get if I did what
I wanted to do. That's why we're doing it this way.
And see, UH, I have to thank a few people
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that haven't been mentioned that has helped us with this process.
UH State Representative Daniel P. Troy m. He has been
a big help with with us and to us, and
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he has actually volunteered to present this Carolyn's Law on
a legislative level. Also a constitutional level is straight to
the people, to to the ballot and the legislative that
goes through the legislation process. We're talking about that not
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changing what we're doing, but that's what he's is asking
us to consider. I thank him for that because we
talked to several individuals, but he stepped up.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
MM.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I wanna take a moment to thank re UH Congresswoman
Chantale Brown. She provided a congregressional I'm choking up now,
y'all congressional recognition presented to the Carolyn's Law initiative and
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it reads on behalf of all who reside in the
eleventh congre Congressional District of Ohio. I am pleased to
recognize Carolyn's Law Initiative, working to establish an amendment to
the Ohio Constitution. It would provide legislation for fair, safe,
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and effective staffing measures for nurses and aids to patient ratios.
I wish you all continue success in the coming years.
And this is the United States House of Representative Chantale Brown.
There are others that I'm not gonna try and go
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into because I don't if you miss somebody then they
get offended, you know. But there are others that have
have shared, so I do want to make sure that
the listeners have contact information. Carolyn's Law Incorporation. The headquarters
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here locally is located at one seven zero two seven
Libbery Road, Suite, Unit number two, in Maple Heights. The
business telephone number is two one six two five two
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I'm sorry eight five two three nine zero zero. That's
two one six eight two five three nine zero zero.
The cell number is two one six seven zero one
two three zero zero again two one six seven zero
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one two three zero zero. We have a fax number
two one six three six five two eight zero four
once again. The website is w W dot c A
r o l y n s l a w dot
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o r G. That's Carolyn's Law dot or c a
O r l y n s l a w dot
r G. We have an email at petition it's petition
at Carolyn's Law dot org. That's p E t I
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t i o n at c A r o l
n s. I'm sorry c A r o l y
n s l a w dot r G. Those are
ways to get in contact with us.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
And you have no excuse. He he ain't even gave
it the fact number, so you got no excuse.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Okay Again our website, Carolyn'slow dot org. Under the contact
let uh tab you can find all that information along
with a buffalo other tabs and options for you to
get involved.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
We need volunteers, We need volunteers. We need people on
all on these streets.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Where are you going pros? Specifically are you going to churches?
Community events?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Where can people find you next?
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Well, we had a beautiful meeting yesterday with Rabbi and
doctor Gwyn Jarvis and we h my work is cut out.
They've gave us, UH about thirty different entities that we
can get involved with. So we have no excuse. But
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what we're going to do. I'll be working with a
company on tomorrow that's going to assist us in the
advertising and marketing so that everything that we're doing is exposed. Uh, YouTube, Instagram, Uh,
you know the different ways that uh people communicate. Now,
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Uh that's not my profession, So I have to hire
someone that you know, uh knows how to handle that
uh situation.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
So you you and floating most of this from your
own pocket, So I'm sure are you accepting donations?
Speaker 4 (49:06):
Most definitely we are accepting donations. There's what they call
a Q card QR cod COD. Yes, all this is
new stuff to me.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
You keep it up.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah, So uh you can when you go to the website,
you can donate straight from the website. If you want
to be receive our emails, Uh, you can go to
petition at at Carolyn's Law dot org and then you
can sign up to get information. It's everything's on the
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on the website now for us.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Rabbi, Well, I just want to reiterate we need community partners,
you know, at all levels, you know, to to work,
to put and also to donate so that this work
can go on. Brother rough has been doing a tremendous job.
This is a cause that's close to his heart. Now,
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not close, it's in his heart, yes, all right, his
passion because of the great price and what it has
cost him in the coming days. So let's partner with
him and let's get this done. People, they're they're those
who have we have been exiled from our land, from
our culture, and from our identity. But this is one
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of the ways we can take and begin to move
towards recovering some of our dignity as a people, all right,
by helping one another and also inspiring people other ethnicities.
O wow, to help us. I call some of my
Hispanic friends and they're going to be involved in this
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to make sure that this gets done. So be like me,
you know, and I will I will sign off with this.
I will drink from my part of the river and
no one shall keep me from it. And so UNI
is back on you and mister Ruffins.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Last words, I thank you very much for this opportunity. Uh,
it is out of my lane. But we grow as
we go, and I'm learning a lot and I'm growing
a lot, and I've been very humbled by this experience, yes,
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and I really appreciate the Rabbi's input. And you know,
a lot of people talk, but then there're some they
walk the walk. And I have to say that for
this gentleman who has proven to me that you know,
he means what he say and he does what he means,
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and I thank him for that. And Sister Gwynn, doctor
gwyn Jarvis, I thank her. There's a lot of people
that I'd love to think right now, but I know
they gonna get on me. But I think everybody that
has participated in this particular situation over the years, and
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we're gonna celebrate on that day when it goes before
the state for the people to vote. I believe in
my heart that everyone that have experienced this and know
about this and care about this will support it in
spite of the adversary.
Speaker 5 (52:41):
MM.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
You know, I specifically asked you no questions about the adversary,
but you've brought them up and I'm gonna leave it.
The spirit is telling me to lead out along cause
this is about Carolyn's law, Yes, and that's what we
are going to focus on. The adversaries are irrelevant, That's right.
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Blessed be, thank you so much mister Rufford for joining
us informing us all about this amazing initiative deemed Carolyn's Law. Again,
that's Carolyn's Law dot org. If you want to get involved,
if you want to donate, if you want to volunteer
your time, whatever that may look like, look, please do
so because we need people to be involved. We're always
talking about change. This is a change that's positive as
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will affect everybody. We all have a loved one that
may go in for a simple surgery, it may not
come out the same, and this will help avoid those
type of situations that occur every single day. Thank you again,
mister Rufford for joining us. Thank you Rabi for bringing
him here so we can spread the light. I definitely
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want to get more just people aware of this and
make sure we get those signatures needed to make sure
that this.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Gets into our constant Yes you don't.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Realize like yes, yes, we can still change our cost.
We can still put things, implement things, change things.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
We just have to have the drive to do it
for the people, by the people.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
We are the days people we can do it. Make
sure to stay tuned w o v U. This is
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This is w o VU Studios.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to our voices today book Club Tuesday with Uni
and the Rabbi right here on w OVU ninety five
point nine FM. How y'all doing, How y'all living, How
y'all feeling? I know, I know, I know, y'all gonna
beat me up. Y'all all ready to beat me up.
But look, look we are recolliborating here at WOBU, just
as we are with our voices today, So just bear
(00:29):
with me.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Bear with me. We got some special guests coming.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Up later in the week and we got one live
in the studio with us today.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
How you doing, Rabbi, I'm doing well. I'm doing well.
I'm having a good time.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
How was your weekend? I'll beat you too at the
five Busy busy all right.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I got to DJ at the Botentacal Garden this past
Friday for the Deep Roots kickoff exhibit. There they're opening night,
which was again at the Botentnacal Garden, so it was
monumental for them.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
If you're unfamiliar, you're with Deep Roots.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It is a black owned art gallery right here in
the neighborhood off of seventy ninth and Central and shout
out today.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
He been doing his thing making sure that the art
in Cleveland states progressive and is continuously being exposed with
black artists.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And I love it. I love it. But yeah, the
rest of my weekend, yeah, I ain't even gonna talk about.
What about you? How was your weekend?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I had a good one. We went to the rooftop
again and had they have this dish that I love,
is a brunchy dish. It's a filling me on the
three eggs. Yeah. Right. And then Saturday night we went
to Martin's. It was my daughter's birthday. We went to
Martin's and I had a little steak and lobster. Yesterday
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I spent with our guests planning some things and working
with our guess. But before we introduce him, one of
the things, you know, we've been discussing uni on the show,
how we must understand the political process. Yes, okay, And
very often we take and elect people to offers and
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we abdicate our power to them, all right, because we
say they are our leaders, and they're not our leaders,
all right. They are our representatives and servants, and we
don't do due diligence.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
See, I'm glad I let you finish that statement, because
I was ready to cut you off for a second,
but I'm glad I let you finish because as the.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
People, we initially empower.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Them, and we have to give them instructions, and we
fail to do that, and so then anything that they
do becomes all right. It becomes their agenda and not
our agenda necessarily all right, And so we must begin
to retrench, re entrench ourselves, re empower ourselves by contacting
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our representatives and giving them instructions as to what we
need them to do. And with that being said, we
have in the studio with us today, gentlemen. I met
a little while ago and spent some time with yesterday.
Jesse Ruffin, who is a real estate broker here in
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the greater Cleveland area, has a wonderful office on Libby Road.
It has been a mainstay of Cleveland, Ohio for his life,
doing a wonderful job. However, and a point in brother
Ruffin's life, his family had some adverse circumstances. I'm doing
(03:47):
it this way because I don't want to tell his
story right. Well, I'll let him tell his story. But
Jesse and his wife had a traumatic experience that that
was terminal for her. And because of that, Jesse now
is on a campaign right. He has developed an initiative
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that he wants to place on the November ballot. Jesse Jesse, Jesse,
Jesse ruffin our our our citizen, uh here in the
greater Cleveland area. How are you this morning, Jesse?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Good morning, sir. I'm doing very well, and thank you
for having me here. It's a honor and a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Good good to have you, Jesse. I you know, I
don't want to tell your story, but give us a little,
give us a little history, give a little a little
history of who you.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Who and what you are and how you how you
came to where we are today. Well, wonderful, thank you, sir.
It's a it's always an emotional story for me to tell,
so forgive me if I do get a little emotional.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's all right, it's understandable.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
But as you stated, I I was married to my
wife Carolyn for forty four years. We have uh two
daughters and a son. We have ten grandchildren. In fact,
we have five girls and five boys. Right, we're basketball
team for the girls and wool all right, and sh
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they were wonderful. She just loved those kids. And UH.
There came a time when she was diagnosed with a
tumor and a brain tumor and it had to be removed.
And we went through that process and it was a success.
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They did remove the tumor. It was not cancerous. However,
after she received that procedure, uh, she had to go
into the nursing home. Uh. And during that time, within
ten days of her being in a nursing home, UH,
she ended up falling on her head oh and had
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over a third of her brain uh, which is uh
they call it a uh hom uh hematoma. A third
of her brain tissue was uh bl uh blood and
she suffered uh for three and a half years uh
with trake two feed uh that type of thing for
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three and a half years. During that time period, I
spent every night, every night with her mm in the
nursing homes and rehabilitation facilities and emergency rooms because I
felt that after her falling, I couldn't understand how that
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could have happened. But once I got involved, I found
out that the nurses and nurse age was taken care
of as many as twenty five and thirty patients in
a twelve hour sh and because of the time that
I spent daily for three and a half years, I
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got to learn and know a lot of people, and
we talked and got information. We found out that California
had established a nurse staff patient law, and we looked
into that and from that particular information we came and
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brought it to Ohio. So on took us several years
to get the petition established. A lot of people don't
know how hard this is, because I didn't know either.
But I had promised my wife before she passed that
something would be done because we didn't want anybody else
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to have to go through what we went through. And
you can imagine after being with someone forty four years,
we are at our retirement age and we wanted to
have some time together and travel. All that was taken
away from us and the joy of our her grandchildren.
So Carolyn's Law uh In Corporation was established as a
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nonprofit organization to go out and fight for those that
cannot fight for themselves. There were a lot of people
that were in the nursing homes that didn't have anybody,
and you could hear them at night and during the
day crying and asking for help, and they just didn't
have enough people to help them. These are some of
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the people that we're fighting for now because it's not
gonna help my wife, because she's going on to be
with the Lord. But in her honor, we named it
Carolyn's Law. So the legal name is Nursing Facility Patients
Bill of Rights known as Carolyn's Law.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Jesse, Jesse, and I'm hearing you, and your story is compelling.
But Jesse, who are you? Who is Jesse Roughing?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
All right?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, your church you go to, you know, we want
to know about you.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Jesse. Okay, Well once again, I'm seventy one years old
right now, all right, Lord has blessed me to be
seventy one years old in spite of some of the
illnesses and challenges I've had. I am a member of
the East Mountains Iion Baptist Church, where the Reverend Brian
(09:43):
Anthony Cash is our pastor. Doctor now, yes, doctor doctor Cash.
I've been a member there since nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
All right.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I married Carolyn in nineteen seventy seven, and that's when
we had three children, Carmen, Tasha, and Jesse. The third
and after working with the Water Department, the City of Cleveland,
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and Republic Steel and dealing with all the politics in
those situations, I decided to ask the Lord to give
me an opportunity to establish my own business and my
own company so that I can do the things that
I think is fair and right. And so we were
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blessed to get involved with opening up Rough and Real
Estate company, and we have I've been in real estate
since nineteen eighty and we have survived about five different
presidents and different situations over forty five years, which is
(10:59):
a lessons So you know, only God could carry you
through those many years and keep you up and running.
So basically that's where I'm at right now, Native Cleveland.
I was born here in Cleveland, Yes, sir, Actually it
was called Lakeside Hospital which is now University Hospital. Yeah.
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That the Lord allowed me to enter into this world
on September fourth of nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
All right, yes, educated and of course being a native
Cleveland or you're educated, what high school did you go to?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well? I went to John Hay all right, the lawyers, right,
the lawyers, John Hay, John Hay right there on one
hundred book keepers.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Their mascot kind of.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Oh, the bees, the bees.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yes, okay, okay, all right, yes.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Okay, so now you're taking me back now, all right? Yeah,
so that's pretty much you know my story in the summary.
Someone had asked me to write a book about this experience.
But you know, I'm not focusing so much on myself
right now because after experiencing what happened to my wife,
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things that used to interest me doesn't interest me as
much as they used to because I found out a
lot of things we'd be trying to get involved with
really don't mean that much. And when you think about
your purpose of being here on this earth, God put
us here for a purpose. And I have more time
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behind me than I do in front of me. So
I'm trying to do God's will the best I can.
And I'm not trying to preach, but I'm just testified.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
All right, Well you're a good deacon that he's mouth
zying and my correct.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yes, d Cess nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
All right, okay, and so Jesse, where where's your business located?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
We're located at one seven zero two seven Libby Road
in Maple Heights, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
All right, so, Juny, why don't you take us to
break and we'll come back with our special guests Jesse
Ruffing and Carolyn's Law in just a few moments.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yes, you are listening to book Club Tuesday right here
on WOVU ninety five point nine FM.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Welcome back to book Club Tuesday, and our voice is
today right here on WOVU ninety five point nine FM,
Burton Bell Car Community Radio. And if you are just
tuning into UNI and the Rabbi on OVT, look we
got mister Jesse Ruffing in the studio with every time
I hear your last name, I think about you know what.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
David, which is actually a third cousin of mine. Oh wow, wow.
I wasn't gonna ask for you know, I just don't.
I just don't have it. I can't care a note
in a bucket.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You got them bills in your pocket.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
That's what it matters.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So before the break, we were talking about just you
in general. Of course you brought it back to the mission.
I want to go back to you just a little
bit before we get into Carolyn's Law and the mission
and what has transpired and where we are going.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
How what sector of realty are.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You in a residential and commercial.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, okay, because look are you hiring people?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Want to know we always are looking for good workers. Okay, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
When you say good workers, do you mean like the
people that help you flip the homes, like people like
construction workers, contractors, things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well, actually, I have a commercial out now about the
flipping concept, which I have a slight problem with that.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Okay, let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Because when a person invests into a home, that's mostly
the most expensive investment they'll make, and it really makes
them who they are and their inheritance. And then to
have someone come along and talk them out of their
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equity because they want to purchase the property for thirty
to forty percent less than what the value of the
property is for cash. That may sound good to most people,
but it's really taking away their equity. I believe a
person that purchased a property should get total equity and
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appreciation out of their the value of their property. And
that's what we focus on, getting people their fair market value,
and the same thing for the buyers. We wanna get
them their fair market value because even the flippers, if
they do sell the property, they gonna sell it at retail.
They're not gonna sell it at wholesale, so it's not
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a benefit to the buyer really. So that's my personal
opinion from being in this industry forty five years, and
I have invested in properties, and I've done flips too,
because there have been some situations where people needed that,
But the majority is for people to benefit from their
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equity that they receive in their property. So when we
hire on individuals that salespersons, we teach them the value
of property and how important it is for people, especially
people of color, to own property and to own land.
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And if you do your research, you'll find out that
as a generation of black of African American bl negroes
or whatever they want to try and call you, the
bottom line is we still don't have a high market.
A percentage in ownership in this country stills today no
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different than it was back in eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Really, that's people don't understand. That's the real basis of
wealth is the only real estate. All right, You canna
have a million dollars in the bank, all right, but
be land poor or you say, say you're leasing your
property and you have no real value. The value comes
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in being a property. You can own a lot. You
canna have five dollars in the bank and own a lot,
and you're more wealthy than a person with a million
dollars and leasing.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
If that makes sense that I understand, because they don't own.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yes. See, the definition of a real American, if we
go back right before the movement, was to be a
white male Anglo Saxon Protestant twenty one years old with
at least one acre of land. So you had to
be white, you had to be male. You had to
be a Protestant, white male, not female, all right, because
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the white female was not considered to be a real American. Okay,
an adult twenty one years old, and you had to
be wealthy, and wer wealth was considered by you having
at least one acre of land or more.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Where did we get away as a society here in America?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Where did we get away from wanting to own land
and understanding the value and the property.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
We were never given the fair opportunity to be landowners,
all right. We're either denied, you know, the opportunity, or
or blocked from Okay, being denied or blocks. Right one,
you couldn't get the loan, yes to amateurize okay, red
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still red lining. Okay. I remember a time when you
you could get a car, but you couldn't buy a house,
all right. They were because the car was a depreciating value,
all right. But but a house that accelerates in value,
or property and accelerates in value, they would not. Okay. Secondly,
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we must remember that up until the nineteen forties or so,
most most black banks, I mean most banks would not
accept black money, all right. We had to keep our
money in the mattress, or in the hole in the floor,
in the wall, or maxwell house coffee can, okay, and
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so those kinds of things, you know. And because you
did not have an account with a bank, a bank
would not chamateurize you, all right. And so we must
understand the kinds of things that we've had to go through,
all right to get there. And then the bottom. Let
remember we go back to old data January first, eighteen
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sixty three, after Lincoln signs of the Emancipation Proclamation on
September twenty second, eighteen sixty two. January first, when the
Emancipation Proclamation became effected to free the slaves only in
the South, the total economic value of the people of
African origin in this country was one point two percent
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of the gross national product of this country today is
April the eighth, I believe, Okay, twenty twenty five, all right,
I said to twenty twenty five. Okay, twenty twenty five,
one hundred and sixty years later, Okay, of their about
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proximy one hundred and sixty years later, we still only
represent one point two percent of the gross national product.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Of this country.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Which which is why that was a question in my head,
because is it something that we pretty much have had
zero access to due to those others and the structure
of the society here in America, And then we just
got to the point where we just weren't interested anymore
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because I feel like in the sixties, maybe fifty sixties,
I feel like the black family home buying was something
that they wanted to do, whether they were able to
or not. But now today a lot of black family
that's not the focus.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Back then, we huddled. You have other ethnicities that are huddling,
Hispanic Asians.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Going back to that communal lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Everybody lived in one house, you know, you know, taking
you save your money, and you know, because see if
you got ten people living in the house and ten
people are contributing to the sustainability of that home, right,
just hypothetically, if the cost is one thousand dollars a
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month to run that house ten people, that's one hundred dollars,
all right. But if you got two people in the
house and it's a thousand dollars, that's five hundred apiece.
All right, How can you It's easier to save when
ten people are sharing a thousand, and now you have nine.
If say each everybody's got a thousand dollars coming in,
now you can nine. You can save nine hundred dollars
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every month. All right. So in a year, look what
you saved. If you stay there, if you sit there
in that situation for five years, look what you have
in five years that you can now step out on
your own and be that huddle source for another.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Group of people.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
All right, We don't do that, No, we did not,
all right? They all right, they for the most part
have been isolationists individualism, and so we we we in
assimulating to them, we're more concerned in our own silos
than we are in huddling. If that makes sense. Let's
get back to.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And property, folks.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Folks come back and listen to Black Thought the Spark
at one o'clock and we'll we'll go into this a
little bit deeper.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Ye yeah, all right, I've been around for a.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
While, Subli, but we definitely want to get back on
track with Carolyn's law and talking about the journey how
it has been getting here, understanding the patient to nurse
ratio in general, and you gave me.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
A card with some statistics. Let's talk about them.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
One to eight nurse to patient ratio and in some
long term situations it goes one to twenty. Being an
AID myself again, you know, I'm uni and I've lived
many lives. I was an STNA at some point or another,
and I remember I work nights. I always wanted third shift.
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I hate it first and second it was just way
too busy for me, and third was calm. I had
a to thirty patients at one point and that is
why I left, because you get burned out obviously way
quicker the more patients that you have, and that's absurd
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to me. That is absurd, no matter what the law is,
that is absurd. Thirty people to one.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up because you had
first hand experience, but really there is no law as
to how many patients that the nurses or the sage
are required to have. They have what they call some ethics,
but there's no law, and that's why we decided to
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hire a law firm to help us put this petition
together to have the initiative to become a constitutional amendment
for the state of Ohio. So what that basically means
is this petition goes out to four hundred and four
hundred and fourteen thousand signatures, is what we have to
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get in order to get it to the ballot, which
means we need seven hundred and fifty thousand signatures, because
thirty to forty percent of the signatures.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Will be.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Removed or rejected. And that's because if your signature doesn't
match what's on your registration card, if you moved and
you didn't change your address, if your name changed, you
got married, and whatever the case may be. Some people,
I know, I don't write the same way I did
when I registered minds what fifty something years ago. So
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those are the things that can happen that will alleviate
a lot of the signatures. So a lot of people say, well,
why is it taking you so long. Well, when we
saw what happened to the teachers over in Arizona, when
they went out and got three hundred and seventy five
thousand signatures and then when it was brought you know,
to the legal to the state, they threw them out
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for what you know, because well there was several reasons
they threw them out. But we didn't want that to
happen because we've been in seventy two different counties already
getting signatures as volunteers, and our group hassed and we
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it's just been amazing how many people are so thankful
for what we're doing and praying that this happens, because
this is not a situation that concerns a Republican or
a Democrat or Independent or a Green Party or Tea Party.
This is a people a person situation and we're all
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aging and they are needed. These facilities are needed. So
when we found out that there was no law and
it wasn't anything that would you know, give guidelines as
to what they should or shouldn't do, that's why we
established the Nursing Facility Patients Bill of Rights known as
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Carolyn's Law in honor of my wife's name because of
the experience that we had from her situation. So I've
heard people say, well, he's doing this for his wife.
You know, I don't want that to be a misunderstanding.
I love my wife and I'm honoring her, But this
is for the people that needed that can't speak for themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yes, and there are so so many in these facilities
across the country, really across the world, that do not
have anyone to speak up for them.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So this work is so so important. What made you
go out and get a lawyer to make sure?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Besides you know the teacher situation in Arizona with all
of their signatures, was that the first step for you
throughout this entire process. Were you off the bet like
I'm just going to get a lawyer because I don't
know anything about this, or did you make some mistakes
along the way before that?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Stet Well, first of all, because I was involved with
my wife's situation for three and a half years, being
there in the facility, learning the nurses and the doctors
and all the individuals involved, I started asking questions on
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you know, why is it happening and what can we do?
Everybody kept saying there's no law, Well we need to
do something, and then we have a bad you know,
we have a situation where we always say they should
do something, they should do this, they should do that,
And you know, I said, well, who are the days
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I am the other day?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
We've been waiting on?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, you know. And furthermore, I said, how could I
go and sit down and enjoy my life knowing what
I've experienced and what I've seen and the people suffering.
So that's why I had to hire an attorney, a
law firm, because I didn't know anything about this. So
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they guided us as to what we needed to do
and how to do it. And we went from let's see,
I don't want to miss anyone, but we went from
city to city, different libraries for a year and a
half talking to the public, asking the public what do
you want in this petition? So it took us a
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year and a half, almost two years to put the
petition together. And then once we put it together in
nine in twenty nineteen, well obviously, you know, COVID hit
and they shut down the country and we couldn't do
nothing for about a year. So after it was opened
back up in two thousand and twenty one, that's when
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we submitted it to the Attorney General and it was
certified June thirtieth up to twenty twenty one. That's a
day I'll never forget because they said we couldn't do it.
The naysayers said it would never have it, and then
they said, well, you got another hurdle to jump because
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you have to take it to the ballot board, you know,
the Secretary of State. It was approved by unanimous everybody
is supported, all five on July fourteen or twenty twenty one.
So once that was done, the attorneys had to modify
the petition to go out to all eighty eight counties.
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And that's why we have a petition now that's prepared
to go into every single county in the state of Ohio. Now,
the law says that we only have to really go
in forty four counties to get it. But I beg
to differ because if we want to hold state of
Ohio to participate at the polls, we can need to
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go in each county and talk to them and let
them know what's going on. That's my position. And we
have right now signatures in seventy two counties, but we
don't have enough. We have to get at least seven
hundred and fifty plus to make sure that we come
in with the right amount. Because check this out. If
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we took five hundred thousand signatures to the Secretary of
State when we need four hundred and fourteen thousand, if
they threw out a hundred thousand, we're short. Yes, and
guess what all those signatures is no good, no more.
You have to start all over. So why would we
take that chance? So I sh I, you know, our
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committee agree, let's take our time, get involved, get the
people involved, and get the the correct number to submit,
so when we do turn 'em in, we'll be successful.
And I know and I believe that from the experience
that we've had with the people that has participated, over
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ninety five percent of the individuals we talk to support this.
Some d don't d some do not vote for whatever reason.
That's that other little small percentage, But mostly the registered
voters are on this because it's they understand. And when
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you hear the stories that the people give us about
their experiences, you know, it's it's just amazing. So I
know this is I believe, this is what the Lord
put on my heart to do. And every day, you know,
I get up. This is on my mind to get
it done.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Oh, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You are listening to book Club Tuesday right here on
w OBU. I don't want to take a break with
I'm gonna take it really, really short when we gonna
come back, because I have so many more questions.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I know you do as well. Rapped I our voices
today will be right back.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Welcome back to book Club Tuesday right here on WOVU.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
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Speaker 2 (33:48):
Our voices today And if you are just tuning in,
we have mister Ruffing in the studio.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
With us live from Caroline. Excuse me, Carolyn's law.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I gotta slow down because I I have so many
questions in my head that I want to make sure
I get in. But I will let Rabbi kick it
back off because I know I saw you chomping off
the bed before the break.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yah, Well we listen. Jesse has for the most part
funded this effort out of his pocket and has been
one of my questions. It has been quite quite costly.
I think probably around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
that he's taken out of his slide. Okay, and now
it's it's going to become necessary for some additional physical
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help from the community. And so one of the things
that we're talking about doing and Jesse has put in
place is a fundraiser that he's going to have in
May May thirty Yes, sir, thirty first, May thirty first.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Okay, No, no, that's the other one.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Okay, but you got too, Okay, tell us about it.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yes, this is an annual function. It's going to be
held at Gambida's Party Center, which is at one six
zero east of Railroad in Northfield, Ohio, on May thirtieth,
which is a Friday, and we're going to have live
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entertainment by the renowned national recording artists and flutist Harold
Willburn Jr. And his band, very very talented group of men,
and we're going to have dinner and then we're going
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to have some special speakers. We're looking forward to having
the Rabbi share some insight with us. Also be glad
to right, thank you, sir. And so after that, we're
going to give our people an opportunity to kind of
relax and enjoy because they all the hard work to
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let them have what they call line dancing and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
No, no, I know, you know that is.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Well, they like it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You just can't do it yourself.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Oh me a little bit. I'm a hand dancer. Really yeah.
But that's what we're doing, and that's a fundraiser because
we have to have these signatures in order to get
on the ballot for November by the end of June,
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because they have to be turned in in July, the
first part of July, because they need one hundred and
twenty days to review and make sure that they have
the adequate signatures so that it can get on the ballot.
And at that time when we have the annual function,
we kind of look and see where we are to
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see if we're in a position to be successful to
get on the ballot.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Thank you, all right, And with that, listen, we we
we we're going to be recruiting circulators, petition circulators. I
think Jesse has some packets here that will explain everything.
Have the petitions in them. The petitions must be circulated
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in the county in which you are in. In other words,
I can't be in have a cay Hoga County petition
and go out to Lake County and get petitions of
signatures all right, So if you're in cai Hoga County,
all the signatures must be in cay Hoga County or
whatever county you find yourself in. We need to do this.
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We need to make sure that we have more than
enough all right signatures, so because as they disqualify some signatures,
we want to be able to make sure that we
have enough to have this on the November ballot. So
we will be contacting different organizations groups, churches at around
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the state to make sure that we have enough CIRCL
petition circulators and we get enough signatures to make sure
it passes must if it will okay, ye.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yes, yes, So again we are looking for volunteers. I
can assume people could go to the website carolynslaw dot
org if they are looking to get involved, or they
want more information about upcoming events, or just if they
would like to share their own stories.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yes, that's right, right. We have the website designed for
people to get involved. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, I I'm glad that you mentioned that, because when
I go to the homepage of the website.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's very big, it's very bold.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's very like if you need reading glasses, you won't
on this website. It's very welcoming, that informative, and so
I love the layout. Again, that's Carolyn's Law dot org.
Carolyn's Law dot org. Next steps, next steps, We're going
to be outside. That means if you want to volunteer,
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please reach out, do not hesitate. If you have a
story to share, please reach out, do not hesitate. If
you want to make sure you are at one of
these two reoccurring events because they're both annual.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Correct, well, this one is annual that I just referred
to the one on the thirty first that was.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Last year's Okay, Oh yes, I see them like bagh.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, definitely four so big.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
If people you know aren't coming outside, can they sign
the petition on the website.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
No, with a constitutional amendment, you have to have what
they call wet ink signatures. Oh okay, wet ink signatures.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
It must be witness by the circulator.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And it must be witnessed by the circulator. It's very rigorous.
But we have all the rules and regulations for you know,
the petitioners and for the people that want to participate signing.
We have that for the in a package for it
to be talked. We train before we turn people loose
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because if they make one era, they can throw out
the whole batch of petitions. And we don't want people
to have to work hard and then sacrifice what they
did because of an era.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I want to ask you this before we get out
of here.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I want to understand and you on on a different level,
because I'm sure this process has been a hard one
for you, like you mentioned in the first segment, but.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
It's levels to it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I'm sure, yes, how has this process in getting this
law implemented into our constitution affected you personally?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Oh? Lord, have mercy.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
There's been many nights I've shed tears. I'm a grown man.
But you know, when you go in your secret moments
of prayer, it's very touching because I think about what
actually happened to my wife, and you know, being a
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a husband, you want to protect your wife, you want
to protect your family. And I wasn't there to protect
her when she failed, and that bothers me deeply, and
that's why I stayed with her every day after that
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until the Lord called her home.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
This is.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Something that I need to do for myself also to
keep me from the flesh. Let me leave it there
keep me from the flesh, cause we know what the
flesh can do. And I'm trying to keep this on
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a spiritual level and let the Lord go because I'll
mess it up if I get if I did what
I wanted to do. That's why we're doing it this way.
And see, UH, I have to thank a few people
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that haven't been mentioned that has helped us with this process.
UH State Representative Daniel P. Troy m. He has been
a big help with with us and to us, and
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he has actually volunteered to present this Carolyn's Law on
a legislative level. Also a constitutional level is straight to
the people, to to the ballot and the legislative that
goes through the legislation process. We're talking about that not
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changing what we're doing, but that's what he's is asking
us to consider. I thank him for that because we
talked to several individuals, but he stepped up.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
MM.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I wanna take a moment to thank re UH Congresswoman
Chantale Brown. She provided a congregressional I'm choking up now,
y'all congressional recognition presented to the Carolyn's Law initiative and
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it reads on behalf of all who reside in the
eleventh congre Congressional District of Ohio. I am pleased to
recognize Carolyn's Law Initiative, working to establish an amendment to
the Ohio Constitution. It would provide legislation for fair, safe,
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and effective staffing measures for nurses and aids to patient ratios.
I wish you all continue success in the coming years.
And this is the United States House of Representative Chantale Brown.
There are others that I'm not gonna try and go
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into because I don't if you miss somebody then they
get offended, you know. But there are others that have
have shared, so I do want to make sure that
the listeners have contact information. Carolyn's Law Incorporation. The headquarters
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here locally is located at one seven zero two seven
Libbery Road, Suite, Unit number two, in Maple Heights. The
business telephone number is two one six two five two
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I'm sorry eight five two three nine zero zero. That's
two one six eight two five three nine zero zero.
The cell number is two one six seven zero one
two three zero zero again two one six seven zero
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one two three zero zero. We have a fax number
two one six three six five two eight zero four
once again. The website is w W dot c A
r o l y n s l a w dot
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o r G. That's Carolyn's Law dot or c a
O r l y n s l a w dot
r G. We have an email at petition it's petition
at Carolyn's Law dot org. That's p E t I
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t i o n at c A r o l
n s. I'm sorry c A r o l y
n s l a w dot r G. Those are
ways to get in contact with us.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
And you have no excuse. He he ain't even gave
it the fact number, so you got no excuse.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Okay Again our website, Carolyn'slow dot org. Under the contact
let uh tab you can find all that information along
with a buffalo other tabs and options for you to
get involved.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
We need volunteers, We need volunteers. We need people on
all on these streets.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Where are you going pros? Specifically are you going to churches?
Community events?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Where can people find you next?
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Well, we had a beautiful meeting yesterday with Rabbi and
doctor Gwyn Jarvis and we h my work is cut out.
They've gave us, UH about thirty different entities that we
can get involved with. So we have no excuse. But
(48:29):
what we're going to do. I'll be working with a
company on tomorrow that's going to assist us in the
advertising and marketing so that everything that we're doing is exposed. Uh, YouTube, Instagram, Uh,
you know the different ways that uh people communicate. Now,
(48:51):
Uh that's not my profession, So I have to hire
someone that you know, uh knows how to handle that
uh situation.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
So you you and floating most of this from your
own pocket, So I'm sure are you accepting donations?
Speaker 4 (49:06):
Most definitely we are accepting donations. There's what they call
a Q card QR cod COD. Yes, all this is
new stuff to me.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
You keep it up.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah, So uh you can when you go to the website,
you can donate straight from the website. If you want
to be receive our emails, Uh, you can go to
petition at at Carolyn's Law dot org and then you
can sign up to get information. It's everything's on the
(49:48):
on the website now for us.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Rabbi, Well, I just want to reiterate we need community partners,
you know, at all levels, you know, to to work,
to put and also to donate so that this work
can go on. Brother rough has been doing a tremendous job.
This is a cause that's close to his heart. Now,
(50:12):
not close, it's in his heart, yes, all right, his
passion because of the great price and what it has
cost him in the coming days. So let's partner with
him and let's get this done. People, they're they're those
who have we have been exiled from our land, from
our culture, and from our identity. But this is one
(50:35):
of the ways we can take and begin to move
towards recovering some of our dignity as a people, all right,
by helping one another and also inspiring people other ethnicities.
O wow, to help us. I call some of my
Hispanic friends and they're going to be involved in this
(50:56):
to make sure that this gets done. So be like me,
you know, and I will I will sign off with this.
I will drink from my part of the river and
no one shall keep me from it. And so UNI
is back on you and mister Ruffins.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Last words, I thank you very much for this opportunity. Uh,
it is out of my lane. But we grow as
we go, and I'm learning a lot and I'm growing
a lot, and I've been very humbled by this experience, yes,
(51:36):
and I really appreciate the Rabbi's input. And you know,
a lot of people talk, but then there're some they
walk the walk. And I have to say that for
this gentleman who has proven to me that you know,
he means what he say and he does what he means,
(51:59):
and I thank him for that. And Sister Gwynn, doctor
gwyn Jarvis, I thank her. There's a lot of people
that I'd love to think right now, but I know
they gonna get on me. But I think everybody that
has participated in this particular situation over the years, and
(52:20):
we're gonna celebrate on that day when it goes before
the state for the people to vote. I believe in
my heart that everyone that have experienced this and know
about this and care about this will support it in
spite of the adversary.
Speaker 5 (52:41):
MM.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
You know, I specifically asked you no questions about the adversary,
but you've brought them up and I'm gonna leave it.
The spirit is telling me to lead out along cause
this is about Carolyn's law, Yes, and that's what we
are going to focus on. The adversaries are irrelevant, That's right.
(53:09):
Blessed be, thank you so much mister Rufford for joining
us informing us all about this amazing initiative deemed Carolyn's Law. Again,
that's Carolyn's Law dot org. If you want to get involved,
if you want to donate, if you want to volunteer
your time, whatever that may look like, look, please do
so because we need people to be involved. We're always
talking about change. This is a change that's positive as
(53:33):
will affect everybody. We all have a loved one that
may go in for a simple surgery, it may not
come out the same, and this will help avoid those
type of situations that occur every single day. Thank you again,
mister Rufford for joining us. Thank you Rabi for bringing
him here so we can spread the light. I definitely
(53:53):
want to get more just people aware of this and
make sure we get those signatures needed to make sure
that this.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Gets into our constant Yes you don't.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Realize like yes, yes, we can still change our cost.
We can still put things, implement things, change things.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
We just have to have the drive to do it
for the people, by the people.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
We are the days people we can do it. Make
sure to stay tuned w o v U. This is
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