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March 13, 2024 • 15 mins
This conversation delves into the horrific crimes of Andrei Chikatilo, a notorious serial killer in the Soviet Union. The discussion covers his methods of luring victims, the brutal nature of his murders, and the challenges faced by investigators in capturing him. It also highlights the missteps in the investigation, including false confessions and the tragic consequences of police tactics. The conversation balances the grim subject matter with moments of dark humor, reflecting on the complexities of discussing such a disturbing topic.

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And we're back with Part three of the Andre Chikatillo Overkilling.
Fifteen minutes, he's already killed three people, so we're already
better off than.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
At part one.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
This is true following Burryus Murder, who is no longer
resisting his homicide allerges. Between July and September of nineteen
eighty two, he killed five victims between the ages of
nine and eighteen. He used a pattern of approaching children,
runaways and young vagrants at bus and railway stations, enticing
them to a nearby secluded area, and then kills them,

(01:03):
usually by stabbing, slashing, and visceraating with a knife, although some,
in addition to stab wounds, were also strangled or.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Battered to death.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I assume that that's because, as we saw with at
least how the previous ones were described, he batters and
strangles to.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Stop the screaming.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Basically, stop the screaming to get them into a position
where he can just start stabbing and then ejaculate yees. Basically.
Many victims bodies bore mutilation to the eye sockets. Many
victim's body bore mutilation wounds to the eye sockets. Pathologists
at the time concluded that these injuries were caused by
a knife, leading investigators to believe that the killer was

(01:44):
gouging out the eyes. Chickatillo's adult female victims were often
prostitutes or homeless women. With promises of money or alcohol.
He would get them to get them to the secluded area.
He would get laughed at when he could not get
an erection, and this would then send him into a
murderous rage. He would then get sexual gratification only when

(02:08):
stabbing and slashing. His victims. His child in adolescent victims
were both sexes, who would lure them to secluded areas
using a variety of ruses, usually mentioned in the initial conversation,
such as promising assistance or offering to show them a
shortcut or a chance to view rare stamps, films, or coins,

(02:31):
or offer a food or candy. Basically any way you
would entice, he would try. Yeah, although I do love
the change of the world, we're going, Hey, k do
you want to see my stamp collection? Would actually be
a positive way? Like would be would work right now?
It's hey, Kate, you went to Fortnite skin? Yeah, I'm

(02:53):
trying to. We're supposed to. This is supposed to be
a comedy show. Well, no, it's supposed to be edutainment. Yes,
but we're supposed to have a little bit of comedy
in here to show. If you all like overkilling, we're
gonna continue overkilling. Of course, we still have thirty pages
on the sum bitch to do. But it's really hard
to find funny when we have to deep dive into

(03:16):
you know, you know, child diddling and child murdering and
what's his name?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Why the Stewart. Who the hell did we suckcliffe?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Who decided to actually bury the knife inside the Yep,
it's not funny, man.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
No not. This brings me down, dude. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I need more caffeine. He would then overpower them once alone.
Oh yeah, right, we're in the middle of child killing.
And when he got them alone, he would overpower them,
tying their hands behind their back before stuffing mud or loam.
Is soil mostly made of sand, that's how you phrased it,

(03:59):
is he it's just parentheses. Is soil made of sand?
I had to look it up into their mouth to
silence their screams and then kill them. After the killing,
he would half heartedly conceal their bodies. On December eleventh,
nineteen eighty two, Chickatilla met ten year old olgust Almakanak
riding a bus home in Navashenkt.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
That fucking place again.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's called the reference to a previous episode where I
couldn't say that name and persuaded the child to leave
the bus with him.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
She was last seen by a fellow passenger, who reported
that a middle aged man had led the girl away
firmly by the hand, Chickatillo had taken her to a
cornfield before stabbing her over fifty times and eviscerating her.
By January nineteen eighty three, four victims had been linked
to the same killer. A Moscow police team led by

(04:56):
Major Mikhail Festov Fetisov fetish Off fetish Off. A Moscow
police team led by a Major Mikhail Fetisov was sent
to Rostov to direct the investigation, named Operation Forrest Path
by members of the team Forrest Path.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Forrest Path.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
See, well, that's because he was killing him on in
secluded which would be Forrest Okay, you know what, that
makes more sense.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I was like, you gotta come up with a better name.
It's all about the press.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
You have to have a name that makes you go, yeah,
let's fucking find this guy operate So the Sorority Slasher.
Let's find this guy cool. I don't think it was
Operation Sorority Slasher.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I don't think so either, But that sounds great. No,
it sounds like you are the Ted Bundy team. That
is true.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
That is okay, guys, I've got a plan.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I shouldn't be making light of this. I know. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
We've got all this humor that's just bubbling up to
the surface and it's gonna come out in very horrible ways.
I apologize. In advance, Tetisov established ten man team based
in Rostov charge was solving all four cases. In March,
Fetisov assigned Victor Berkhov, a newly appointed forensic analyst, to

(06:20):
head the investigation. The following month, Staalmachennok's body was recovered,
Berkhov went to the crime scene, where he examined the
numerous knife wounds and eviscerations upon the child and the
striations to her eye sockets. Bergkhov later stated that as
he noted the striations on her eye sockets, any doubts

(06:43):
about the presence of a serial killer evaporated. Chikatillo did
not kill again until June eighty three, he murdered fifteen
year old Armenian Lauris Arkuyan. Her body was found near
an unmarked railway platform near staff Shatni. By September he

(07:07):
gained another five victims. The accumulation of bodies found and
the similarities forced the Soviet authorities to acknowledge that a
serial killer was on the loose. On September sixth, nineteen
eighty three, the Public prosecutor of the Soviet Union formerly
linked six of the murders thus far to the same killer.

(07:27):
Due to the sheer savagery of the murders and precision
of the eviscerations upon the victims' bodies, police theorized that
the killings had been conducted by either a group harvesting
organs or the work of a Satanic cult or mentally
ill individual see Russians in the US are the same. Yeah,
weird shit happens. It's Satan, Yeah, Satan organ harvesters or

(07:53):
a crazy guy.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Much of police efforts concentrated upon the theory that the
killer must be mentally ill, homosexual, or a pedophile, and
the alibis of all individuals who spend time in psychiatric
wards were convicted of homosexuality or a pedophilia worked then
checked and logged in a card filing system. Registered sex

(08:16):
defenders were investigated, and if their alibis corroborated, eliminated them.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
From the inquiry.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Beginning in September of eighty three, several young men confessed
to the murderers, and I'm assuming this is the We
need to close this case, so you congratulations, you get
to be you get to be a murderer.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
But whack, you are a murderer, A murderer, murderer, damn straight.
That's why we close cases here. It's called lion.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Luckily, America's never had that issue, never had that issue.
While being very unpatriotic today it's okay. I'm also being
in Dirussian, which is very American. So it cancels itself out.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
It does.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Beginning in September of nineteen eighty three, several young men
confess to the murders, even though these individuals were often
intellectually disabled youths who admitted to the crimes under prolonged
and brutal interrogation.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Hey, I was right.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Three known homosexuals and convicted sex offenders committed suicide as
a result of heavy handed tactics by investigators. As a result,
more than one thousand unrelated crimes, including ninety five murders,
one hundred and forty aggravated assaults, and two hundred and
forty five rapes, were solved. You know, I'm not sure

(09:43):
that those are actually solved.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, somebody did it, and that's how that worked.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
In spite of obtaining confessions from suspects. Police continued to
discover bodies, proving that these suspects could not be the killer.
On October thirtieth, nineteen eighty three, the eviserated body of
nineteen year old prostitute Veris Venkn was found in Shatshni.
Svetkan had been killed on October twenty seventh, although the

(10:14):
mutilations inflicted upon Zavenkin's body were similar to victims to
other victims. Although the mutilations inflicted upon Zevetkan's body were
similar to other victims, the eyes had not been cool
word means removing eyes, leave the eye muscles inunciliated. I

(10:37):
can't tell with your writing that's uh inunciliated, inociliated, okay,
or otherwise wounded in any way. On December twenty seventh,
nineteen eighty three, fourteen year old glukhovos oh. On December
twenty seventh, nineteen eighty three, a fourteen year old Glukovo schoolboy,

(10:59):
Sara J. Mark Kov, was lured off of a train
and killed at a rural station near Nova church. Ask
novchurch car again, I'm sorry too. Any Russians listening.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Who like no, it's pronounced Nov.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Sorry, you get that a lot you know, there's one
hundred and fourteen letters in the name, but it's actually
pronounced noise yep. Markov was emasculated and stabbed slashed over
seventy times before being eviscerated. In January and February nineteen
eighty four, Chikatilo killed two women in Rostov's park of Aviators.

(11:41):
On March twenty fourth, the lord ten year old Dmitri
Tezanov away from a stamp kiosk in you said it
only came up one more time, novoshatstink no hey.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Comes up a lot? You laned on me?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
How bare you pinko sister. You know, in the US
judicial system, I'm the man, So if I kill you,
I may get like two years.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I oh no, We're in New York State.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
You're right, and sibling insanity might work out in my favor.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Let's find out. Yeah, how.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
That's still life. While walking with the boy, he was
seen by many witnesses, who gave detailed descriptions of the killer.
When Tzanikhov's body was found three days later, police found
a footprint of the killer and both semen and saliva samples.
I always feel bad when they're like, yeah, we found
semen at the scene. Yeah, Like saliva is like okay,

(12:45):
you blood obviously you bigger viscerated body.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
You.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
But it's like to me and.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's like there's just something extra. If you're like a
crime scene investigator and it's like, why, yep, there's some
fresh seamen right there.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Just has to just be like oh eh, like it's
sort of the I can handle, you know, puking, I
can handle all that, but it's it's not that makes
me go out out yep. On May twenty, Chikatillo killed
Tatiana Petrosen and hery ten year old daughter, Sveetyana in

(13:24):
a wooded area outside Chechki. Petrosen had known Chikatilo for
several years prior to her murder. By the end of July,
he had killed three young women between the ages of
nineteen and twenty one and a thirteen year old boy.
On August second, he killed sixteen year old Natalia Guerloshovkyaya

(13:48):
in the park of Aviators. However, we are now at now,
we're at that time when we say goodbye and I
want to cry a little. Well, that's only because we
still have about thirty some odd more pages to go.
This is the end of part three of the Overkilling

(14:08):
and Andre chick Catillo anything you would like to add?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
He gets sicker? Why you gotta say that? Why? Why
do you gotta say that? Shit?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Spoiler spoiler He's not sick enough yet.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
He's gonna start yes ending like an improv troop. How
what's you lying anywhere? Anyways? Who's y who? No?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
No?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yore?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Why anyway? I'm gonna go beat my sister to death.
See you next time.

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