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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How their neighbors. We're back with part six. Apparently part six.
There's a couple of days in between recording, and I
completely blanked on where we were. Actually this was a week, week.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And a half, week and a half, So hello, welcome
to Overkilling.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
If you don't know the drill by now we're on
part six, you might want to check out the previous parts.
But this is gonna be on Andre Chiccatillo. Still still
uh where was he? I don't even remember. I think
I think we just got to the one cop who
saw him at the train station, who saw the small cheat,
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you know, the small blood drops, small blood drops, and
how weird he was and everything like that. Yes, but
did he do anything? We'll find out. On November thirteenth,
chorus Stick's body was found. She was a thirty eighth
murder linked to the un now would be mister Chikatillo.
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Gier police summoned the officer in charge of surveillance at
the Lenskoe station and examined the reports from all the
men that were stopped and questioned the past week. Not
only was Chickatillo's name among the reports, it was familiar
to several investigators because he had been questioned in eighty
four and had been placed in a eighty seven subspect
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less compiled and distributed throughout the Soviet Union. Sorry if
you hear Frankie's panting. After checking with Chickatillo's present and
previous employers, investigators were able to place him in various
towns and cities at times when the victims were murdered.
Questioning the former colleagues from his teaching days, divulged that
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he had been forced to resign from two different teaching
gigs because of leude behavior and sexual assaults. Spelled salt wrong,
It's swats. Nothing says comedy like you spelled the word wrong. Yeah.
Police placed Chickatillo under surveillance on November fourteenth. In several instances,
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mostly on trains and buses, he was seen approaching lone
young women or children, engaging them in conversation. If the
woman or child broke off the conversation, he would wait
a few minutes and then repeat the process with a
different person. On November twentieth, Chickatillo left his house with
a large jar which he had filled with beer at
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a small kiosque in a local park before he wandered
around nolvitureasque Hey remember part one? I believe it was
you said, oh, yeah, it comes up maybe once more.
Oh no, I said it came up a lot more. No,
you said one more time. No, I said a lot more.
I have already listened to the tape. Well, I would
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like someone else to listen to the tape. I do
not trust Sam anyways, attempting to make contact with children
he met on his way. When exiting a cafe, he
was arrested by four plain closed police officers. He put
up no resistance when he was handcuffed. Chick Tillo gave
a statement claiming that police were mistaken and complained that
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he had also been arrested in eighty four for the
same series of murders. Spoiler alert, if the same if
the same person is up for several different murders years apart, Like,
you know what I mean, it's one thing. If it
was this has been the guy we've been eyeballing for
the past decade. Now something can stick, you know what
I mean. We finally got something to stick. Versus Huh,
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there's that creepy sum bitch again. Kuinky dink quinkydink. Well,
let's see if The Russian police also feel that it's
a quinkidink. A strip search revealed a deep flesh wound
on one of his fingers. He self treated it with iodine.
Medical examiners concluded the wound was a human bite. Uh. Spoilers,
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sports fans, I don't want to be like, if you're
gonna come in a crime, don't do that. Keep your
fucking hands away from anyone who's you know what. I'm
not gonna even finish this joke because we'll get the
same backlash as the if you're gonna force somebey to
give you head. Yeah, don't yeah, because literally, at the
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same time, it's like, stop asshole assholes who want to
be you know, creepy assholes. Do not stick your digits
or any part of your body against someone's will. Uh miight, Mark,
thank you. Chickaitillo's second to last victim, Victor Tishenko, was
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physically strong at the crime scene, showed a physical struggle.
Chickatillo never sought for a broken finger and a Chickaitillo
never sought for sought for a broken finger and a
missing fingernail. Yeah, like he uh lost part of his finger. Oh,
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but the way you're saying he broke his finger and
was no, no, no, no. I get that, but the sentence structure.
I understood what you were trying to say, but that
doesn't make sense. You're right, that doesn't that makes sense.
I'm sorry. Found during a search of Chickatillo's belongings a
folding knife and two lengths Well, you said two links
of rope. Yep, I don't think links chain two lengths
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of rope. Yeah, but you said links two links of rope.
Right again, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to I like
it when you're stoner competent, not stoner stupid. I'm sorry.
A sample of blood was taken and he was placed
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in a KGB cell in a stove where the police
informer instructed to get him to talk. Was this I'm
assuming you started writing this part when you just went
to the store and got yourself a new batch. No,
here's how the sentence is written. A sample of blood
was taken and was placed in a KGB selling Rostov
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with a police informer instructed to get him to take
Why was the police informer trying to get someone to
take his blood? I don't know. You're right, it makes
no sense. You did good on translating. Formal questioning started
on November twenty first. The interrogation was performed by Issa Kostoyev.
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The strategy was to elicit a confession by leading Chikatillo
to believe he was in need of medical attention. The
intention was to give Chickatillo hope that if he confessed,
he would not be prosecuted by reason of insanity when
you're at thirty eight murders or however many there were. Officially, yes,
I think reason of insanity might be there might be there. However,
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he was very premeditated about it because see, there's what
a lot of people don't realize. Reason of insanity isn't
about you know, Oh, I'm just fucked up in the head.
But there has to be no cognitive like reason of insanity.
You know, I dressed up like Mufasa from the Lion
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King Broadway musical, masturbated to Enya, and then killed somebody. Well,
why did you do that? That would be reason of insanity, Yes,
that would be. But if you did it religiously. You know,
every time I went to kill someone, this is what
I kept doing. Well, why did you do that? Because
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it's not the earthquakes oh wait, no, we actually had
that guy. We had that guy, which again, reason of
insanity makes sense there, but it is it is this.
It is a it's not a black and white it's
not you know, I'm crazy, you know what I mean.
It has to be an inborn thing. You can't just
be like, you know, normal everyday activity and then just randomly, oh,
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this was reason of insanity. Now you can do temporary insanity,
which I you know what I mean, where it's like
a crime of passion or something like that. Yeah, you know, hey,
the person just told me my son died, so I
punched him. You know, could you get assault on that? Yes?
Would there be a mitigating circumstance where the court would
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look at it and be like, well, I get it,
you're gonna get punished in some way, but we might
listen in a sentence because of a crime of passion
or something like that. Right, I'm totally rambling, and you
can cut all of that anyways. Uh. Police knew that
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their case against Chickatillo was largely circumstantial, and under Soviet law,
they had ten days in which they could legally hold
a suspect before either charging or releasing him. So you
actually don't mind that. I know US now has I
think it's a two day holding period, which unless it
they terrorists and then under the freedom of it then
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under the Patriot Act, you can be held indefinitely. Well,
there was also another problem is I'm sorry, we well
we saw a lot of it in a lot of
the protests that were going on. Yep, that a lot
of people were being pretty much black bagged for two
days to just get them off the street, and it
would there's still issues with it. But I do, like
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I this is gonna put me on whatever list I'm
not left enough or something. But I do understand the
idea of you know what I mean, the holding somebody
a couple of days to let them pull off and
then but I also think that there needs to be
a shit done, a paperwork involved with it. You know
what I mean. We are holding them for you know,
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this is the two you have to charge her one
not within two days, but you still need to have
proper paperwork to state we are holding them on suspicion
of this or we are holding them for a reason. Yes,
which I know not a lot of people do, well,
maybe not a lot, but in the cases that I've
seen a lot of times. It's almost a black bag
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situation where it is we will hold you for the
you know, the two days that we are legally allowed to.
On November twenty first, Chickatillo's blood test came back again.
He had blood type A, not type A B. Due
to the amount of physical and circumstantial evidence, plus the
fact that investigators had deduced the blood type of their
killer using seamen samples obtained from clothing and bodies of
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fourteen of the victims as opposed to actual blood samples,
so they took a semen sample. Nothing gets you in
the mood like a Russian holding cell. The results confirmed
that Chikatilo's seamen was type A B, whereas his blood
and saliva were type A. I know when we originally
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did this for the original killing fifteen, we wanted to
look into like that, did we know? We didn't. But
I just think it's really interesting that you can have
different And I'm assuming it's because you know phenotypes and
pundum squares and shit that you knew it was a
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Putnam twere That kind of does it for me because
I was like, I can't remember what I was called
or a Punnett square or something like that. I'm like
and it was. The questioning was going nowhere about the murders.
Chickachilo did confess he molested his students. Chikatilo also produced
several written essays for a Custayev, which nothing to do
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with the murders, but did reveal a psychological symptom. But
did reveal psychological symptoms consistent with the eighty five profile.
The interrogation caused Chikatillo to be defensive, The Informer reported.
Chikatilo stated Kustoyev had repeatedly asked direct questions regarding the
mutilations inflicted to the victims. On November twenty ninth, Hey
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my birthday. Okay, like a year or two after before
my birthday? But none? Oh, this was ninety You haven't
said a date. You said he was caught in eighty nine,
wasn't it? Yay I was one a former request have
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doctor book Dan Navaski, I'm not retaking that name. Assist
with the questioning. Bukhanovski read extracts from his sixty five
page profile to Chikati. Within two hours, Chikatila burst into
tears and confessed it all Later that evening, Burganowski reported
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back to Burukhov and Fetisov that Chikatilo was ready to confess.
With a handwritten notes from Berganowski, Kostoyev prepared a formal
accusation of murder, dated on November twenty ninth, the last
day he could be held without charges. Cool, so he
got booked my first birthday. Yes, cool, I don't know
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why I'm happy about that. This somebit. Once we're finished
up with this, I'm never thinking about Chikatilo again. Why
are you smiling? Is there another Chikatillo? Do are we doing?
Like a third version? Let's actually look at the psych
profile children. No, thank you. The following morning, Chickatillo formerly
confessed to thirty six of the thirty eight victims police
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linked together. He did deny two of the eighty six
murders of Leubov, Golovanska and Irina Peerilova. Chikatillo did give
a detailed description of each murder on the list, details
consistent with police theories and reports. When prompted, he could
draw a rough sketch of various crime scenes, indicating the
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position of the body and various landmarks in the vicinity
of the crime scene. Additional details provided further proof of
his guilt. One victim on the list was nineteen year
old Anna Lamasheva, killed on July nineteenth, nineteen eighty four,
near Shatskny station. Chikatilla recalled that as he overpowered her,
she had stated Bars would retaliate. Who the Hell's Bars? I? I
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think it's next sentence? Let me. Chev's fiance had the
nickname Bars tattooed on his knuckles. His knuckles say cobra.
In describing as victims, Chickatillo falsely referred to them as
de classe oh degraded elements, whom he would lord as
colluded area before killing. In many instances, particularly with his
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male victims, Chickatillo stated he would bind their hands behind
their back with a length of rope before killing them.
Chickachillo would typically inflict a multitude of knife wounds, initially
inflicting shallow knife wounds to the chest area before inflicting
deeper stabs and slash wounds before eviscerating them as he
gained sexual gratification.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right right with the sexual gratification because his penis was placid,
How are we getting apart?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Seven? First you go into the trial. In the trial,
never give a stoner with ADHD a full assignment. Chackachtillo
stated he'd become adept at avoiding blood spurts from his
victims and would regularly sit or squat until their heart
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stopped beating, adding that the victims cried cries, the blood
and the agony gave me relaxation and certain pleasure. And
on that note, we're gonna be doing part seven of
this where we're in the middle of his confession. Yeah,
I know the pacing of these is all over the place,
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but if you're binge watching, it really doesn't matter. So
binge away people see in the next one.