Andrei Chikatilo The Red Ripper Part 7

This conversation delves into the chilling case of Andrei Chikatilo, a notorious serial killer. It covers his confessions, psychological evaluations, the trial process, and the eventual sentencing. The discussion highlights the complexities of Chikatilo's psyche, the media's role in the trial, and the legal proceedings that led to his execution.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, there, everybody. We're on part seven of Andre Chikatillo.
Now we've got about a little under ten pages left,
so I'm just gonna power on through. If you have
no idea what overkilling is at this point, well why
are you on part seven? If you do know what
it is, then why the hell am I sounding so unhinged?
That's a very good point. Now, then, storytime children, one

(00:31):
question of oh uh, if you are just trying to
catch up or you know, the senses are weekly out.
We are in the middle of his confession and everything,
and we will be getting to his child today. I'm
gonna try powering through these ten pages within fifteen minutes.
I'm sorry if I speed up a little bit and
they sound a little weird. Oh and Sam's here too, Okay,

(00:52):
let's do this. One question most about is later victim's
eyes being stabbed or slashed but not if enunciated enuncleated?
That was that new word we discovered, as as his
earlier victims was. Chikatillo stated that he had not. Indeed,
when questioned about most of his later victim's eyes being

(01:14):
stabbed or slashed but not innucleated as his earlier victims were,
Chickaitillo stated that he had initially believed in an old
Russian superstition that the image of a murderer is left
imprinted on the eyes of the victim. He stated in
later years he had become convinced that this was simply
an old wives tale, or he never got to see

(01:35):
the glory that was wild, Wild West, Chickatillo informed Kostoyev.
Chikatillo informed Kostoyev he often tasted the victim's blood, stated
that he felt chills and shook all over. He confessed
to use his teeth to mutilate his victims as well.
He did six teeth, He did sick things to the

(01:56):
body parts. Sam will not repeat that. Thank you a
good night. On November thirtieth, Chikatillo was formly charged with
each murder he confessed to. All thirty six were committed
between June nineteen eighty two and November nineteen ninety. Over
the next few days, Chicatillo confessed to have further twenty
murders outside of Rostov Oblek, or bodies were not found

(02:18):
or in the case of Yolana Zakova, the an innocent
man was executed for her murder whoopsie DOUTSI. He gave
details only the killer would have known. In December nineteen ninety,
Chikatillo led police to the body of Alexei Kobotov, a
boy he killed in August of eighty four and had
buried the body on the outskirts of a Shaskni cemetery.

(02:42):
Three of the fifty six murders Chikatillo confessed two could
not be found or identified. He was charged for fifty
three women and children between nineteen seventy eight to nineteen ninety.
On August twentieth, nineteen ninety one, after police completed their investigation,
Chickatillo was transferred to the Serbski Institute in the Serbski

(03:04):
Institute in Moscow to under ruse undergo to undergo a
sixty day psychiatric evaluation determine whether he was mentally capable
to stand trial. Should I slow down a little? I
don't know. Chickatillo was analyzed by a senior psychiatrist, Andre

(03:24):
to Chenko, who noted that Chickatillo had various psychological problem
who noted that Chickatillo had various physiological problems, which he
attributed to pre natal brain damage. His mom was a
drunk eh or battered around. Wasn't he the one who
had an abusive dad? They all have abusive dads? What
am I talking about? The abusive one? Okay? Oh yeah,

(03:48):
he's the son of a whoa, This wasn't a he? Uh?
Oh no, that was a different person. Oh really the
one who No, because isn't he? Oh no? That was
the dude that shot up? Uh? Yes, the villa he
tried taking on in an dire village. Yes, you're right,
I apologize. Never guess which episode of Killing fifteen I
just listened to. Examining Chikaitillo's history, Kochenko observed a steady

(04:11):
but gradual descent into perversion, which had been compounded by
biological and environmental factors with his increasingly extreme acts of
homicidal violence. Ultimately committed to relieve internal tension, on October eighteenth,
Kuchenko concluded that although he suffered from a borderline personality

(04:34):
disorder with sadistic features, he was fit to stand trial.
In December, details of Chikatillo's arrest and a brief summary
of his crimes were released to the newly privatized Russian
media by police. Chickatillo was taken to trial on April fourteenth,
nineteen ninety two in Rostov, charged with fifty three counts

(04:56):
of murder in addition to five charges of sexual assaultingants
miners from when he was a teacher. Oh good for him,
finally getting his comeuppance on that yep. He was tried
in court Room number five of the Rostov Provincial Court
before Judge Leonid ak Kubazanov. I say his name, Alot,

(05:17):
I'm sorry. Chikatillo's trial was the first major media event
of post Soviet Russia. Shortly after his psychiatric evaluation at
the Serbski Institute, investigators held a press conference giving a
full list of chickatillo crime A full list of Chikatillo's
crimes alongside a nineteen eighty four identicate, though that would

(05:39):
be a facial composite of the individual charged, but not
the full name or a photograph. As he entered an
iron cage specifically constructed in the corner of the courtroom
to protect from any attack by the enraged and hysterical
relatives of his families of his victims. In the opening
weeks of the trial, the Russian press regularly published exaggerated

(06:02):
and often sensationalistic headlines about the murders, referring to Chickatillo
being a cannibal or a maniac, and to his physically
resembling a shaven skulled the monic individual. The first two
days of the trial were devoted to Akubsnov's reading the
long list of indictments. Each murderer was discussed, and on

(06:24):
several occasions relatives broke down in tears or fainted when
details of their relatives murders were revealed. After reading the indictments,
the judge announced to the journalists his intention to conduct
an open, an open court, stating, let this truck, should
I do it in a Russian accent, Let this trial

(06:45):
at least teach some nole. Let this trial at least
teach us something so that this will never happen anytime
or anywhere again. Kubazanov then as Chickatillo to stand, identify
himself and invite his day and location of birth. This
would be one of the few polite exchanges between the two.

(07:06):
Chickatillo was questioned in detail about each charge on the indictment.
Responding to specific questions about the murders, he often gave
dismissive replies, particularly when questioned as to the specific nature
of the wounds he inflicted on his victims and the
ruses he used to lure his victims to locations where
he had murdered them. He became indignant only when accused

(07:30):
of stealing personal items from victims or to his keeping
organs that were missing. On one occasion, when asked as
to his seeming indifference as to the lifestyle and gender
of his victims, Chickatillo replied, I did not need to
look for them every step I took. They were there.

(07:50):
A Kububino, thank you so much. Can get a first name.
Kubezanov would be rate Chickatillo regularly throughout the trial, ordering
him to shut his mouth before adding, you're not crazy.
As Chickatilla's responses to questions deviated into discussing his issues,

(08:11):
such as the repression his family had endured throughout his
childhood and his claiming that the charges were false. These
verbal exchanges would occur whether Chickatilla was cooperative or not
throughout proceedings, and the manner in which the judge questioned
Chickatilla repeatedly led. His defense attorney Marot caubydilin cut bibulin, cubibulin. Okay,

(08:40):
I wasn't that off marat kabibulin to protest against the
accusatory nature of the court proceedings. When Chickatila was uncooperative,
he would shout over the judge, denounce the court as
a farce, and launch into a rambling, disjointed speech. On occasion,
Chickatilla would also expose himself or sing socialist movement anthems.

(09:02):
I mean, if you're gonna be a dick, go for
the socialists. Yeah, I'm not entirely sure where that. These
antics had him being returned to his cell as proceedings
continued without him. On April twenty first, Chikatilo's defense lawyer
requested that Pokanowski to testify. The request was denied. That

(09:22):
same day, Chiktillo stopped answering questions entirely. He refused to
answer questions for three consecutive days before stating his presumption
of innocence had been irredeemably violated by the judge and
that he intended to give no further testimony. Spoiler alert,
if you've already you know, had your major confessions yep,

(09:45):
and added more charges onto it. Yep. Then going I'm innocent,
I tells you is a little harder to you know. Yeah.
The following days, proceedings were adjourned for two weeks. Withdrew
his confessions to six killings on May thirteenth, but claimed
four more that were not in the indictment Jesus. The

(10:09):
same day, Kabibelin again submitted a request that a second
psychiatric evaluation happened for his client. This motion was dismissed
by the judge as being groundless. In response, Kibibelin rose
from his seat, condemning the composition of the court and
arguing that the judge was unfit to continue presiding over
the case. Chikatillo repeated his early remarks as to the judge,

(10:33):
making numerous rash remarks prejudicing his guilt, prejudging his guilt.
The prosecutor, nikol Lai Girisimmenkojiiseimenko, vocally supported the defense's claims.
In fact, Jiusemenko further contended that in conducting an open trial,
Chikatilo had already been effectively prejudged as being guilty by

(10:56):
the press, before also requesting that the judge be replaced
judge at Kubazanov would rule that the prosecutor be replaced,
instead briefly conducting the trial with no prosecutor until Anatoly
Zeteroskni was appointed. Jesus Christ. This reminded me of the
trial of the Fucking the Chicago Seven. Yeah, Yeah, except

(11:21):
that was funnier. On July third, Putanovski was permitted to
testify as to his analysis of Chickatillo's solely in a
witness capacity for three hours. He testified as to his
nineteen eighty five psychological profile and of the conversations he
had held with Chickatillo following his arrest, which had culminated

(11:43):
in his confession. Four psychiatric experts from the Serbski Institute
testified as to the result of a behavioral analysis they
conducted in May. All testified as Chickatillo's behavior in the
courtroom being strikingly at contrast to his behavior in cell
and that they considered his antics to be a calculated

(12:04):
attempt to obtain acquittal on the grounds of insanity. On
August ninth, the defense gave closing arguments. With the beginning
of his ninety minute closing argument, Jesus do you know
you can't filibuster a closing argument just saying. Kabubulin stated
he had no confidence his voice would be heard above

(12:26):
the general outcry for a retribution against Chikatillo, before questioning
the reliability of the forensic evidence presented at the trial
and describing areas of Chikatillo's confessions as being baseless. He
also questioned the judge's objectivity and called back to the
decision of the court not to allow the defense to

(12:46):
present testimony from independent shrinks, emphasizing that the crimes committed
by an individual of a sane mind. Kabublin then formally
requested that judge find his client not guilty. That did
not happen the prosecutor, the new prosecutor, Anatole Zaranovsky there Zairovsny,

(13:10):
the following day gave his closing argument, calling towards earlier
testimony of psychiatrists. Zaerosni argued that Chickatillo fully understood the
criminality of his actions, was able to resist his homicidal
impulses on times, and had made numerous conscious efforts to
avoid detection. Zaovsny emphasized that in nineteen of the charges,

(13:32):
the material evidence of the crime had been provided by
Chikatillo himself. Zerovsny ended with reciting each of the charges
before formally requesting the death penalty. Following the conclusion of
the prosecutor's closing argument, Aszubinov invited Chikatillo back into the
courtroom before formally asking him whether he would like to
make a final statement on his own behalf. Chikatillo stayed mute.

(13:58):
The judge announced that an initial day of September fifteenth
for himself and the two official jurors to review the
evidence and pass the final sentence. The date would actually
be postponed to October fourteenth, However, on October fourteenth, Finishing
on the fifteenth, the court reconvened to hear formal sentencing

(14:18):
at Koupazanov. Why can't I say that dude's name, I
don't know A Koubazanov began sentencing by announcing Chikatilo guilty
of fifty two of the fifty three murders. He was
sentenced to death. He was sentenced to death for each offense,
which is all I always found those awkward. I get
why they do it because of that on the books,

(14:39):
you know, he was charged that, but when it's the
death penalty, this ain't it James Bond film, You Only
die Once. Chickatillo was found guilty of five counts of
sexual assault committed during his teaching years, and reciting his
findings to judge read the list of murders before criticizing
both police and the prosecutor's department for various mistakes in

(15:01):
the investigation, which had allowed Chikatilov to remain free until
nineteen ninety. Specific criticism was directed towards not local police,
but the prosecutor's department, primarily procurator Issa Kostoyev, whom Akubazanov
scathed as negligent and who had been dismissive of Chikatillo's

(15:24):
inclusion on the eighty seven suspect lists compiled by police.
Akubsanov had a lot to say on those failures, however,
on October fifteenth, Chikatilo was formally sentenced to death plus
eighty six years for fifty two murders and five counts
of sexual assault. Chikatilo kicked his bench across his cage

(15:45):
when he heard the verdict and began shouting abuses. When
given an opportunity to speak about his verdict. He did
remain mute, though after passing final sentence, Akubzanov made the
following remark, Taking into considering the horrible misdeeds of which
he is guilty, this court has no alternative but to
impose the only sentence that he deserves. I therefore sence

(16:09):
him to death. Chickatillo went from the courtroom to his
cell in Noverturesque prison to await execution. He lodged an
appeal against his conviction with the Supreme Court of Russia.
I did not know they had a Supreme court. Everybody
else I would assume they would because they have courts,
so there would have to be a supreme one. This

(16:32):
was rejected. In the summer of ninety three, Chickatillo filed
a final appeal for clemency with President Boris Yeltson. This
was rejected January fourth, nineteen ninety four. On February fourteenth,
nineteen ninety four, Chickatillo was taken to a soundproof room
in Novturek's prison and executed with a single gunshop behind
the right ear. He was buried in an unmarked grave

(16:54):
within the prison cemetery. Okay, come out. So that was
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(18:03):
I'm out of here.