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Terms and conditions apply. Hello and welcome to Part two
of the Overkilling on Peter Sugcliffe. If you'd like to
watch part one that came out last week. If you
want to know all about Peter Sutcliffe under fifteen minutes,
Instead of listening to all of this, listen to Killing
fifteen minutes. Proper believe. It was our first episode, episode one,
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which means that it is rough tumble, and so now
we're on to part two, where we are going into
far more detail than we probably should. Peter Sugcliffe would
kill Wilma May mccair on October thirtieth of nineteen God,
there was.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Like sixty seventy five seventy five.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
He struck her twice in the back of the head
with the hammer that he loved ever so much, before
stabbing her once in the throat, five times in the chest,
and then nine stabs to the belly. An extensive search
involved one hundred and fifty officers of the West Yorkshire
Police Department were precinct of West Yorkshire Palis, and eleven
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thousand interviews failed to find Suckcliffe. Mostly at least the
cops are doing something there.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
They're doing something alright.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Usually in this you know, a dozen bodies are down
and the cops are going. They don't get it. Do
you think they're linked? Well, the dude carved his initials
into the person's stirnam at least one hundred times. I
think so. On January twentieth, nineteen seventy six, in Leeds,
Suckcliffe stabbed Emily Jackson fifty two times in financial hardship.
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Jackson's husband talked her into hooking using the family's roofing van.
No no, no, I feel horrible that you know, Emily
Jackson was stabbed fifty two times and I'm assuming died
from it, and I understand financial hardships, you know, going
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there's nothing else I can do. I have to spread
my legs. I don't know why the fact that her
husband going, shit, honey, here's the roofing van. It'll be fad.
I understand this is in England, but that's the most
redneck shit I've heard in a while. Suckcliffe picked Jackson
up outside the Guiet the Gaiety Pub pub. Suckcliffe had
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picked up Jackson outside the Gaiety Pub on round A Road,
then drove about half a mile to a derelict building
on Enfield Terrace in the Manor Industrial Estate. He hit
her over the head with a hammer as he's want
to do, dragged her body to a garbage strewn yard,
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then used a sharpened screwdriver to stab her in the neck,
chest and abdomen. He left his bootprint on her thigh.
What the hell was the point of the roofing van.
I assume if you're gonna hook and your husband's like, yeah, baby,
i'll help you out take the roofing van. Wouldn't wouldn't
that be where you go to have the sex?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It would make sense to me?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Or did he pick her up and then they took
the roofing van too there.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I think he picked her up on the side of
the road and declined to use her van to do.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Oh okay, I'm deducing this.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It makes the most amount of sense to me.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
That would be because, I mean, why why would the
you know, hey, honey, use the roofing van. You don't
exactly need to car. You can carpool to your street corner.
He would then attack Marcella Clackson in around A Park
on May ninth. He accepted a car ride from Sutcliffe. However,
when exiting the car to p she was hit on
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her head from behind. Clason survived and testified against Sutcliffe.
On February fifth, attecked Irene Richardson in one of the
Chapeltown prostitutes in round A Park, she was bludgeoned with
a hammer and stabbed three times in the stomach. Suckcliffe
then mutilated her corpse with a knife. The tracks left
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near the murder scene resulted in a long list of
possible suspect vehicles. Okay, so the cops are actually trying
to fucking do it something.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
They're trying, but they're not doing too happy.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, I mean at this stage, I would be like,
let's scope out round a park. It seems to be
where he picks up all.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
His It would make the most rel sense to me.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
However, then he changes up things with On April twenty third,
he killed Patricia Atkinson Miltra Mitra Miitra Miitra Miitra, a
prostitute in her Bradford apartment, where police found a bootprint
on her clothes. According to Sutcliffe, he picked up Atkinson
in Manningham, Bradford, before going to her place. He then
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attacked her with the hammer. Is it the same hammer
every time?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I think it's similar hammer every time?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay, incapacitating her with four hits to the head. He
undressed her then stabbed her six times in the stomach
with a knife. So do you think he can't get
it up?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I don't know, man, well, because he does penetration with
those knives.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, the bludgeoning is to incapacitate, yes, And I know
we can talk about this at the end, but it
popped in my head now. And that's what these overkillings are,
is us discussing during But the incapacitating is because you know,
he doesn't feel adequate enough to deal with them alive
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or deal with them while they're conscious, right, he would
then strip them down, he would, you know what I mean?
And we never see early so far, he really hasn't
had sex with any other people who's killed correctly so
to me, and I know we have other serial killers
with a very similar thing where their impotency would lead
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to stabbings. So that's why I would think, especially since
the next stab is obviously to kill. Yes, that's not
I mean, that's not like a sexual thing at all.
And then the chest and then the abdomen. But it's
one of those things where like one of his earliest victims,
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she survived, but the check where he literally moved, you know,
to cut at her lower back. For me, that's weird
unless he was planning to put it bluntly raw dog
it from the back, but couldn't, you know what I mean.
So it's one of those things where I could easily
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see this being especially from an abusive alcohol. And then
he has the Catholic upbringing.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Well yep, you gotta have that Catholic guilt.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But anyways, let's us continue and see if this makes
more sense. Later on June twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seven. Wow,
that's a blue uh jel pen you're using there, that's green.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
The pen is green the changes from blue to green.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
On June twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seven, Jane McDonald was
attacked by Sutcliffe on Reginald Street in Leeds at around
two am after leaving a friend's house. Her body was
found by children in the playground between Reginald Terrace and
Reginald Street in Chapeltown or Chapeleton. They mispronounced words over
there all the time. Hey did talk? We such a
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funny accidentally York, Sure ha, I'm kidding. York in Yorkshire
are two different places. Although what would really help is
us knowing a general idea because like he's jumped, he's
pretty much focused on on Bradford in Leeds, yep, and
Leads I know is roughly like county size if we're
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going America. So it's like it's one of those things where.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, someday I'll actually get a map and we'll actually.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Please become a patron so we can get a big board.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I need I need a murder board, guys.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We need a smart murder board one where we can
actually click and that's what England looks like. Yeah, and
it also makes us when we hop over to YouTube
much more entertaining. Oh sorry, let's get back to the murder.
Police did not release the extent of her injuries. Later
it was revealed she was struck three times in the
head with a hammer and had been stabbed in the
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chest and back. A broken bottle had been embedded in
her chest. I'm assuming the broken bottle was a more
of like opportunity use. I would so, because he's very
good at bringing his own hammer a knife. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I think it was just an opportunity to try something new.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean very possible, especially if he's in mid murder
and sees a discarded bottle or something like that. On
July tenth, nineteen seventy seven, Maureen Long was assaulted by Suncliffe.
Is this gonna be the start of every sentence possible?
For every paragraph possible? Long was leaving a nightclub when
she accepted a ride from Suncliffe. Long stopped to pee
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when Soufcliff struck her in the head and knocking her out. Man,
he really likes going after the ones that pee. Let
me rephrase, I'm gonna tell everyone to spoil her women
pee two, but like, how long is it? Like, it's
weird to me, and I know this might just be
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you know, we're in twenty twenty now. You know, this
was in the seventies, so it's a different time period.
You know, I know, I'm in my thirties now, but
even in the nineties, if you're hitch hiking or even
if someone goes hey, you know, if you're you're accepting
a ride from a stranger, you don't go, could we stop?
I need to pee?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't know, depending on how.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You again, it's a different time period. I'm assuming it's
a different I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's just one of those things where it's like, to me,
once is weird.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
But it could also be that they you know, they
could be intoxicated in Oh that's fair.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Too, because she was leaving a nightclub. Yeah, so anyways,
he struck her in the head and knocking her out
when she wanted to get out to pee. She was
suffering from hypothermia when found and spent nine weeks in hospital.
A witness misidentified Sutcliffe's car, leading to over three hundred
police officers taking thousands of cars without success pretty much
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as you do. Like I'll be honest, I'm if I
witnessed something horrible and they're like, what's the making model?
I don't think I could do it off the top
of my head unless it was something like you know,
yeah it was a fun in nineteen eighties, mustany you know,
if it's something that is very specific.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Like yeah, I could narrow it down to maybe depending
on if it's just a dan fuck.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I can't give you the make a model those anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Especially especially nowadays where they all look at goddamn sit
like if you you know, if it was a two
thousands Taurus or an Escort, I know those off the
top of my heads. Those were our cars growing up. Yeah,
how many Saturns did we have?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I could take depending on but it all depends on motorheads.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That's true too. I mean like it's always it's always
weird to me. And again, this is just one of
those things for me where they're like, oh, yeah, this
person was able to if you didn't see the back
of it, like I understand, people are like, yeah, I
knew it was you know, uh, Lexus l ees because
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I saw the Lexus logo.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
You know, yeah, but there's there's a handful of cars
that I can look at in the front and name
make a model, Right, a jeep, I can tell you
it's a jeep.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It has the teeth, so you know it's got teeth,
thank you, But it is.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But it is one of those things so misidentifying. Like
I'm assuming most most cops have to deal with the
misidentification to some extent of a car. You know what
I mean. It was a red Sedan. Okay, it's a
red sedan we're looking for, right, you know what I mean?
You might be able to narrow it down. It was
like was it smooth? What did it feel like to
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have angles on it? You know what I mean? Because
then you could relatively see a time period with it,
Like my Buick Century I know what my buck centry
looked like. You know, however, it was very sadan of
the time. It was slightly different, like all you know,
all model cars are slightly different. Like I'm never gonna
confuse my Buick Centry with you know, our Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
However, you know, in the middle of the night, if
I saw the Lincoln, you know, a Lincoln drive off,
I could easily misidentify it for that caddy you had.
I think it was a caddy.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
No, it's a buke.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Uh No, the saber was the small uh that was
it was a sun dance. Confusing it with the sun dance.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I hope you're not.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I was thinking maybe with the with the uh the
other buke we had the.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Crowd looked like, no, my Buick Sentry and.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We had another. There was another buke. Dad drove.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Uh No, he had the Bontaville.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
That's it, and that was Buick Pontiac Boneville.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Because remember it died up in Booneville.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh my god, yes, where we were hallucinating that entire thing.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Dad. We had to rev the engine, fucking pop it
into drive or else it died. I can't even remember
what the hell we had to do.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
That was exactly what I had to do. And pray
to God that I ran.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I had to pop the clutch on an automatic. Yeah,
get at all.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I gotta tell you. That was the day.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Mom looked at me when I told her what happened,
and she goes, I don't know what you did, but maybe.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yo, we'll take it to Chucky c And then Dad's
in the room going.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Nothing wrong with it started right up?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Well hold fine, hey, look we're at fifteen thirty all right,
now we're gotten to have another part for this.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I like how we ended off with it. So anyways,
did I even finish that? Yes? I did actually finish
that paragraph at least.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, So this is definitely a new format. We are
definitely doing a lot more interjecting and talking about it.
But let us know what you think. Granted, it's not
going to change anything with the Peter Suckliffe episode. That's
all recorded, but we might go a little bit more,
you know, if you want us to talk less about everything.
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Involved, whatever our whatever we followed the dopamine.
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You know, it's fifteen minutes or less on a serial killer.
Usually it's ten minutes of a serial killer at best,
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Well this but a lot more focused, yes.
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Much more focused.
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