A New Paradigm in the NL West

Craig Elsten, Chris Reed, and Raphie Cantor gather immediately after the Padres salvage a win in Arizona, and immediately after the news breaks that Rafael Devers is now a Giant.

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(01:49):
to the Padres hotteb. Everybody, It's Craig, Chris and Ray.
What the fuck did the Giants just do?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Sure? They a shot in our cereal? Craig?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, we were like really literally getting ready to start,
and Rafie gave me this guys, guys, and I knew
it was something, and I was praying, praying that he
was about to say, we just got our left fielder.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
He did not say that. Instead, he said, the Giants
got Raphaeld Devers, which is a fucking mile from being
our left fielder. He's now there in first basement or
d H.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Or something for ten years. We're only gonna have to
deal with him for ten years. Okay, Well, we're here
to talk about that. And a survival month of June
and a Diamondback series that should have been two out
of three for US and was two out of three
for them, and a Dodger series that could have been
two out of three or three out of three for US.
And it was two out of three for them, and

(02:52):
uh now we're gonna go play La again for four
games and hopefully well at least they didn't trade for
Rafaeld Devers. Chris, How are you.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Vallid point right there? I mean I would be freaking out,
maybe a little bit more. I'm doing great, dude, maybe
not as good as I would have been had the
boys decided to turn on the bats even more last night.
Bobby Bullets had had the night he did, but doing okay,
Like all told, a fun game this afternoon, Nick Pavetta

(03:25):
regained his form in you know, pretty prompt fashion after
a couple of starts that we didn't like. I'm down
here in San Diego for the week. Cannot wait for
Sweet Life too this year at the Western Metal Building.
Can't wait to see the familiar faces I met last year,
meet some new ones, and get together with the Padres

(03:47):
hot To crew. So all told, doing quite well.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Rave, Yeah, you know, I think I was a bit
worried after last night's really fresh trading loss, that that
was a potentially destabilizing loss in terms of, you know,
changing the direct trajectory of the season. And you know,
who knows we might look back at the end of

(04:13):
one sixty two and point to that game and say, oh,
that was the one that was the one that changed
this in the standings or whatever. But for now, the
Padres coming back the next day, the offense being you know,
yet again electric and showing up. I there was a
stat that was on the broadcast today that does not
include today's game, but I had to take a photo

(04:34):
of it because it stuck out to me. During games
this season against the National League West, the Padres have
scored over six runs a game. They have batted two
to eighty five, they have hit three to eighteen with
runners in scoring position, and they have an ops of
seven to seventy eight. That is again not including today's
eight run showing, which obviously those numbers are higher. In

(04:56):
all other games this season, the Padres have scored three
and a half runs, they've hit two thirty four, they've
hit two thirteen with runners in scoring position, and they
have an ops of six fifty nine. So this team's
able to get it up against the division, which you know,
it's like when I'm golfing and I and I hit

(05:17):
a pure shot and I'm like, it's in the bag.
I know it's in the bag. It's somewhere in the
bag that shots in the bag. And so I'm looking
at this Padres team, who, uh, you know, after a
brief Dodger's hangover on Friday, exploded for what fifteen runs
in the last two days. Yeah, and I'm like, it's
in the back, it's in there. I out, but yeah,

(05:41):
really interesting.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I just want to point out that a lot of
those rounds are at Tekelodi, meaning they're against the Rockies.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
It's only been three games this season so far though,
right what the.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Rock Yeah, regardless, it's a small sample against anyone, it
doesn't matter. I think we know, though, enough that we
don't have to fight back against the idea that the
Padres get up for these games in Division. They absolutely do,
and they absolutely don't get up for American League games.

(06:21):
And the team is seven games under five hundred against
American League teams this year. And what are they overall
now with with today's win, nine games over, eight games over,
So we're fifteen games over against the National League. So,
you know, here's what I have to say before we

(06:41):
get into all the you know, bigger overarching things. This
is a month of survival I'm going to keep saying
that to the end of the month. This is not
a month about going twenty one and six or something.
This is a month about surviving. You don't have Michael King,
You Darns is on the way back. You're starting every

(07:03):
time through Strandy Vasquez, Stephen Kolik, and Ryan Bergert. Facing
the best teams in the league, meaning the teams in
your division. You're playing a streak of thirteen in a row,
a break, thirteen in a row. You know which added
up it's twenty six out of twenty seven. This team,

(07:23):
it has to hang on. So you lose a game
like you did Saturday night, when you're up seven to
three going to the ninth and the seven, eight, nine
hitters are coming up for Arizona, you know that's disastrous.
But the only real disaster is getting swept. Yeah, getting

(07:46):
swept is disastrous. Losing two out of three is a
minus one. Take your bogie, move on to the next
tea box. You know. That's what I think about this
week is basically, yes, the Padres could have pulled out
another game against La and they certainly should have pulled
out another game against Arizona. They didn't, But they also

(08:07):
didn't get swept in either circumstance. They have no King,
they have no Darvish, they now don't have any merrill.
They didn't have a tatise until he's been replugged in
this week. So let's continue to survive and not get
eliminated and the advance part comes later in the season.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yeah, I mean, just backing up what you said, Craig,
Padres are seven and seven in June so far, which
I mean, it's again one of those if you had
told us two weeks ago thing, I think we probably
would have taken all things considered, and yeah, you know,
the distribution of some of those losses, four of them
coming against the Diamondbacks and the Dodgers thus far, you know,

(08:54):
maybe not as optimal. But it really is about about
hanging on. And you know, I think we saw some
really encouraging things from Ryan Berger last night. I think
he's he's certainly showing, if not to be a viable
long term solution for the team, that he is a

(09:15):
patchwork solution for the team in in you know, and
going five innings and three earned runs from your rookie
call up, it should not be disastrous for the team.
And for a time it looked like it would not
be certainly before the Padres started scoring. Yesterday, the mood
and the discord and you know in the Padres online

(09:35):
communities was quite dour because it was a second consecutive
day in which the offense was seemingly not showing up.
They did show up eventually, and it looked like they
were gonna pull it out. You know, we're gonna talk
about the bullpen later. I just want to note that
Robert Suarez up until this point has been remarkable this season.

(09:56):
He's a human being. You know, Trevor Hoffman had these
games too, and you're you're you're gonna have a handful
of these every year from your all star closer, which
is very well what Robert Tuarez might be for the Padres.
So I'm not as I'm not as bugged, especially because

(10:17):
they won today. Because they won today and they did
not let it get to their heads in a way
that it could have.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, I mean to me, the one loss I really
can't even react to is when Suarez blows a big lead,
what are you gonna do? Padre's bullpen is taxed. The
You should have taken out Suarez, he didn't have it.
He gave up three pitches and like or three hits
in like nine pitches or something. I mean, those those

(10:46):
first three guys came up. It was a Bengala Bengalo bingal.
No one was tattooing him, you know, bingle, bingle, bingle.
Now Carol is up. Who do you want to face him?
You want Suarez to face him? Swarez strikes him out.
You know, the next guy up is Marte. Marte hits
a ground ball to short. Problem is it was a

(11:06):
corkscrew ground ball. He hit the opposite direction with corkscrew spin.
Bogart's was playing him the other way. Bogarts runs backwards
to try and get him, and you know they replay
him safe. There's an out there. Swarres might get the
next guy and it's all over. Instead, he's back to
a basis loaded situation. You know, things fall apart with

(11:29):
Perdomo at the plate. Uh can never complain. What are
you gonna do? Get rid of Suarez?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Dori?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
He's leaving next year anyway. You know his haters good news.
You know he'll be gone next year anyway. Sarez lovers, Hey,
I get it. That's a second all of his earned
runs have come in as two blown saves pretty much,
so you know, there's nothing to be said. He blew

(11:56):
a game.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
It sucks.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Every closer blows a couple of games. Usually every closure
blows four or five games over the course of the year,
so you know, that's one of those ones.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
It's in the bag.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
It stinks. I'm more disappointed in Wednesday or Monday, to
be honest, Yesterday just stinks.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Nothing to be said about it.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
And if I can just on the back of that,
it's worth remembering that. You know, the when Robert Tuarez
was tacked for a loss against the Angels on May twelfth,
you know he walked four guys in that appearance. Robert
Tuarez didn't walk anyone yesterday. They just hit the ball.
They just hit the ball. And I think you could
look back at that starting against the Angel or appearance

(12:36):
against the Angels rather and say, okay, like he can't
hit the strike zone. It's just one of those nights
that was not the issue yesterday. Like your seventy eight
nine hitters get base hits against him, you know, suboptimal outcome,
but it's not like he's walking the bases loaded, which
he did against the Angel So I think that that
makes it a slightly different situation.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes, because that night you're like, he doesn't have it. Yeah, yeah,
he just doesn't have it. But Swarz was throwing one hundred,
he was hitting spots. It didn't work out for the
San Diego Padres. It's on too la. It's a four
game set. Cease gets to start it off. You know.

(13:17):
The maybe the single best thing that happened this week
is Dylan c spitched a dominant outing and he had
said for a week or two, I'm almost there, I'm
getting close. I'm turning the corner. He turned the corner.
Padres aren't going to get to the finish line without
Dylan Cees delivering. There's I don't believe. I know alternate

(13:39):
paths were discussed over the course of the last couple
of weeks. There's no alternate paths, he says, to lead them,
he has to pitch innings pitched, dominated andings pitched because
we don't have enough other starters.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
We just don't. He's got to do it.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Yeah, there was there was word that U Darvish pitched
in a simulated yesterday. I don't know how the fake
hitters hit against him, so we're just waiting word for that.
But apparently he's going to do one or two more
of those simulated games then go for a rehab assignment
currently planned. I mean he already pitched in a rehab assignment. Uh,

(14:17):
and he has not pitched since, so you know, plans
subject to change. But I mean, we said it on
our last show. I can't remember if it was the
main show with group therapy or whatever, but seventy innings
from you, darbish, this season is massive. You know, there's
expensive innings, but they are massive, and those are seventy
innings that you know, Kyle Hart doesn't have to pitch theoretically,

(14:43):
so if the Padres want to be making the playoffs,
that's that's a huge swing.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, guys, let's get to the biggest story. Well, go ahead, Chris, Sorry, no,
it's all good.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
The biggest story in baseball. And it's just crazy that
over the course of the last several years, the Boston
Red Sox have traded the three most important best people
in their system all to the National League West. The
Dodgers got Mookie Betts, the Giants got Rafael Devers, and

(15:17):
of course, the Padres got Don Arsilo, which like.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's not a trade, we outbid them.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's fair.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Nonetheless, they let them go.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Boats and Bays and Babe Ass.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
So everyone got something, is my point. You know, everyone
gets a piece of the Red Sox Crown Jewels. But today,
literally right before we were about to hit record, the
Boston Red Sox and I didn't know that Nico Harrison
was their general manager, but I just found out, and
so that's exciting too. Traded Rafael Devers to the San

(15:58):
Francisco Giants. The Giants get Dever's contract, which is really
what's going on, and then they give up Matt Harrison.
They give up Jordan Hicks, which I think they're happy
to give up, and they give up two young players,
Jose Bellow, who is at the level of the Arizona

(16:19):
Fall League and James Tibbs, who has made it all
the way to High A coming out of Florida State.
So not exactly, they are two best prospects, not even
like close to their best prospects. This is money and

(16:39):
I think this is really important.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
From Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe, it says per
Red Sox sources the team's feeling was that a three
hundred and thirteen point five million dollar contract comes with
responsibilities to do what is right for the team, and
that Devers did not live up to those responsibilities. They
had enough and they traded him. Yeah, well, good for you,

(17:04):
Boston fucking sucks for us. Devers is a giant.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Devers is a giant through twenty thirty three. And you
know he was not willing to play third or anything
but third base for the Red Sox. He very well
might be playing first base or strictly dhing for the
San Francisco Giants. That remains to be seen. One thing
that I did want to note, because it's something that
we don't really talk about frequently when we talk about

(17:28):
the Giants, is that I have a very rare window
where roster resource has not updated, but spotrack has updated,
So I have the before and after numbers. The San
Francisco Giants payroll before they made the trade, this is
cash payroll was one hundred and seventy four million dollars.
Their luxury tax payroll was two hundred and fifteen million dollars,

(17:51):
so they were twenty six million under the CBT threshold
going into today. Now, with Rafael Devers on their team.
Their cash payroll is a hun hundred and ninety two
million dollars and their luxury tax payroll is two one
hundred and twenty two point six, so they are still
nineteen million under the first apron. The Giants have not

(18:13):
historically been spending money in a market that certainly we
wouldn't call small. I would call it a big market.
And that's something that I know. Giants fans have constantly
ridden the Johnson family for not being willing to open
up their wallet when their financials certainly say that they
ought to be spending money like the Dodgers, like the Cubs,

(18:33):
like the Yankees, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And
so you know, this was purely a move where I
guess Buster Posey got Charles Johnson to say, green light,
you can spend a little bit more of my money.
And that's all that this took, you know. And when
you're not burdened by massive contracts, frankly in the way

(18:57):
that the Padres are, you can take swings. The Potters
have already taken their swings and the Giants hadn't, and
they were able to do it on Devers, and that's
what this is.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Well, the Giants have tried their absolute best to get
burdened by huge contracts. They just haven't been able to
say anyone to say yes or come play for you.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Yeah, did the press conference set? They did, Carlos care Arson,
Judge Arson, Judge gone, And they didn't in this one
either because Rafael Devers did not have a no trade
clause and had not qualified for five to ten per protection.
So this is not his choice. Matt Chapman just hged

(19:38):
a really long extension to play third base for the
San Francisco Giants and he's not going to be able
to do so for a little while here. But I
don't know exactly if the situation is going to get
better for mister Devers wanting to play the position he wants.
We assume he's going to play first base or do
what he does in Boston. But I find it interesting

(20:00):
saying that he may not be going to, you know,
his ideal situation that he might have been trying to manifest,
making the big stinky diaper that he has been in
Boston the past couple months.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Well, if the Giants wanted to play, Chapman out of
position at shortstop and Willie adamis out of position at
second base in order to put the worst defensive third
baseman in the league out on our field. I would
welcome them making those moves, yeah, but I don't think
they will. I think they'll put Devers at first. We'll

(20:35):
probably put Devers at DH. I think they'll just put
Devers at DH, and you'll say you are an All
Star DH, and now you're going to be an All
Star DH, and Devors will probably say, thank God, I'm
free until he sees the prevailing wind patterns at Oracle Park.
And the Giants haven't had a thirty home run hitter
since Barry Bonds, so you know they've got a chance

(20:58):
to have that now only makes them a different and
significantly more dangerous team having Rafael Devers and really giving
up nothing. Matt Harrison is a good picture.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Kyle Harrison.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Matt Harrison is also a good picture. He was in
the twenty tens. Kyle great guitarist, wonderful gitarist too. Rodney Harrison,
he can hit, hit hard hitting, he can bang. There
are Harrisons, there are comparisons. Josh Harrison pretty good utility infielder,

(21:33):
but anyways, Kyle Harrison is a good picture. The Giants
can withstand his absence. They didn't give up a guy
like a Hayden bird Song. That is a big time
prospect in the organization. They're going to count on young
guys like Roupe and bird Song to carry the freight.

(21:56):
And they've still got room. As Raef he just said,
if they need to add some thing more financially, they've
still got room. The Giants are going to be a
problem the rest of the year.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I was kind of hoping for them to fade. I
don't know that that's going to happen anymore.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I just want to say, first of all, I said
Rodney Harrison, and I said great receiver. I was confusing
that with Marvin Harrison. Rodney Harrison, of course, I know
incredible strong safety. Before people's thumbs start blowing up, I
just want to apologize for that.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
No to send those emails to Briefy Canter.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
I know I could feel the inbox blowing up Raphael
Devers if they Giants want to make them their full
time DH. You know, Fortunately for Devers and the Giants
and unfortunately for us, he has no platoon disadvantage. He
has this season, he has a nine oh two OPS
against lefties and a nine oh seven OPS against righty's.

(22:47):
He's basically the same guy. He's just I mean just
he's a great He's a one forty eight WRC plus.
Right now, He's gonna probably hit thirty home runs this year.
He's already got fifteen on the season. You know, one
thing I do want to note, according to stat Cast,
is that Devers has hit two hundred and twenty two

(23:07):
home runs in his career. If he had played every
game of his career inside of Oracle Park, that number
drops to two hundred, so you know, something to consider.
But there are many splash hits for Devers in his future.
I'm just genuinely, I have not been floored by a

(23:28):
trade quite like this in a really long time, just
because he's only in this really the second year. It's
technically the third year of the deal, but one of
those years was already his arbitration number that he had
for his final year of arb so it's really the
second year of this deal, and to send a player
away like that, it feels somewhat unprecedented. So I'm just

(23:50):
kind of still reeling a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
It was an ugly situation. It was getting uglier. And
what I wanted to say before we started talking about
this deal is that I do not Padres fans for
feeling like it's not all right, and for that, even
though their record in June is an even five hundred now,
not to feel like the team needs to express some
little bit of urgency in improving the roster, because the

(24:15):
Giants just ten days ago kicked three players off of
their roster, including Lamont Way Junior, a guy who is
like a key clubhouse guy. You know, if Mike Schiltz
talking about Lamont Way Junior, he's talking about what a
gamer is and what he brings to the clubhouse and
how important he is on the team, and the Padres
don't dfa him in the middle of the season. Well,

(24:37):
since that shakeup, the Giants are seven and two. They
lit a fire under their ass and they're playing some baseball,
and the Padres are sitting here batting Luis Aria second
all season long, no matter what the results are, you know,
hanging their hat on veteran leadership and vibes in the
clubhouse and they're limping along. And the Giants just got

(24:58):
a whole hell of a lot better, and now the
Padres need to do too.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well. The Giants shot their shot, you know, and they
had the shot to shoot. As Rafie said, just seeing
on Blue Sky, Molly Night writes something and I really
really agree with this. The Giants have learned definitively they
cannot get elite hitters to take their money to come

(25:26):
to play in their park as a free agent. The
only way they we're going to do it is in
a trade just like this, to get a pre existing
Giant contract and trade for it and get that guy over.
It was either that or a massive, massive overpay. And
they haven't even been able to overpay to get a
Harper or a Judge to come West. So trading for

(25:47):
devors makes all the sense in the world. The Giants
had the money to spend, They've now spent it. Now,
let me not be doomer. Okay, they spent it on
a player.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Not go ahead.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm not saying you're duomer. I'm just saying, let me
not be dumer.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
All right.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I'm not saying anyone else is being anything.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
All things considered, all the great players in baseball that
have three hundred million dollar contracts. Devers is down the
list for the player I want to hang my team
on because he's a one way only player. He is
not a physical specimen. The the possibility of him being

(26:31):
injured or far less useful. I'll just give Prince Fielder
as an example of a guy who at Dever's age
you thought was going to be something and three years
later was completely a different.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
And I don't unlike a Machado, who I think is
gonna age very well, or even a Bets or an
Otani or a Freeman who I all think are gonna
age pretty well, Devs is a guy that I wonder about.

(27:05):
So the Giants have accepted all of that risk, you know.
I mean they didn't really have to give up a ton.
They had to give up a pitching Harrison Jordan Hicks,
who's really nothing special, you know, and you know a
couple of low minor leaguers. We didn't have the wherewithal
to get a guy like this, and so we just

(27:27):
have to grin and beartt and try and beat the Giants.
It's one more tough bat in a great division, and
everyone will be up for the challenge.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I don't think they have to go and beart. I
think they need to get a left fielder like now,
like this week, in the next ten days.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
I don't disagree with that. I mean, they've needed to
get a left fielder opening day ago, you know. Unfortunately,
if yeah, if the downstream effect of this is that
it lights a fire under aj Preller is asked to
make some sort of move, then you know, I'm uh,
you know, I'll take whatever ancillary benefits we can get
from this. I don't I don't really know that there's

(28:07):
much to say. I mean, just to put a button
on this. From from my standpoint, when we had talked
about the Giants in the past, you know, I had
been saying that they don't really scare me. In the
reason I had said that was because I didn't think
that their offense really scared me. Their offense scares me
a little bit more now with Devers in the lineup,
I think that they the one thing that they had

(28:27):
that they had in spades, that they were the only
team in the division that had this was pitching depth.
You know, they they really had a deep well of
guys and guys coming back and one of them is
Justin Verlander. To draw from they just traded away, you know,
two of those guys. And while certainly Kyle Harrison, you know,
at one point he was their best prospect and he's

(28:48):
still a young player pre orb like, I think that
that matters. I think that it matters that Kyle Harrison
is no longer a Giant and whatever you think about
Jordan Hicks, those are two for real major leaguers, And
when you get late in the season sometimes you're gonna
want those innings. I mean, maybe it's June fifteenth and
you're on a team that needs innings from from real

(29:10):
major leaguers. And this is part of the gamble that
the Giants have made, is that they're they're leveraging their strength.
But you know, one of the things that I think
is a baseball truism is that you never have too
much pitching. And the Giants, essentially, by making this trade,
said we have a little too much pitching and we
can trade from it. So you know, we'll see how

(29:32):
that shakes out for them.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well, I couldn't agree more that the Padres need to
do something I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Want to go.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, they have to trade for a left fielder.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
In the next week.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
They need to trade for a left fielder. If I
don't want them to make a bad trade in order
to meet an arbitrary deadline, I need them to make
the right move. But what bothers me the thing that
bothered me the most about the entire week. I went
on and on about it on both the postgame show
and a group therapy. Which one of them might have

(30:05):
gotten to the free feet or not. I'm not sure.
But the only thing that's really bothered me this week
is seeing Gavin Sheets, who's having a great year for
the San Diego Padres, such an important part of this team,
but he's facing elite left handed relieving in our division,
and that's not okay. That should never happen in any

(30:28):
type of playoff situation. Which these division games, you know,
they track to playoff like games, They have playoff like intensity.
It's intense enough that Mike Schildt made the right move
on Wednesday and pulled Randy Vasquez after eighteen batteries faced
rather than have him face the third time order through penalty,

(30:49):
even though he had pitched four and two thirds innings
and it only allowed one run. Well, if you're willing
to make that move, which is undisputedly the right move.
You have to bat a right handed batter for Gavin
Sheets and when the answer is, well, the right handed
batter we have is Louise Campisano, and he's no good. Okay,

(31:12):
get rid of him, you know, like literally get rid
of him. If you guys have decided as an organization
that Luise Campusano is just useless, get rid of him.
Get rid of him yesterday, get rid of him a
week ago. Stop leaving Mike Shilt with no option. Maybe

(31:34):
if you delete Campasano from the roster and put something
over there, a fucking eight by ten of Matt Carpenter,
you know, like just hanging in the corner. Maybe he'll
use a Glacias more in those spots. Maybe he'll do
something a little bit different. But we're missing things on

(31:55):
the margin right now. Iglecias is a little bit underused.
Campus Ono isn't being used at all. Maldonado has theoretical
value for shaping a pitching strategy, I guess. So he's
kind of like Ruben Niebla's understudy. Maybe, but we're still

(32:17):
giving him a big league uniform in cleats. You know,
Niebla doesn't have cleats at least he wears sneakers, you know,
like we're still giving Maldonado cleats in a bat, so
I mean that's and Brandon Lockridge. You know, look, he's
gonna have to place him outfield right now with Jackson
Merrill just getting his bell rung on Saturday night. So
I'm not going to like say you got to get

(32:37):
rid of Brandon Lockridge too. But Brandon Lockwridd is gonna
hit two hundred dish with a six hundred dish ops
on his best day, and you just hope he catches
the ball. Like, that's four spots. You get thirteen for
your hitters. So we're gonna have a hard time keeping
up with the Joneses if four of our spots are occupied.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Thusly, these are the moves I'm talking about, Craig. I'm
not saying you need to go out and get a
three hundred million dollar franchise player, but the Padres need
to get some right handed bats, and then they need
to utilize them once they're in there. You talk about
Gavin Sheets, this is what I was talking about. With
the Padres continuing to bat Luis Arai second, it seems

(33:23):
like it's been super stubborn managing on Mike Schild's part,
refusing to have somebody else take those right handed bats,
be it Jose Iglesias, who probably shouldn't be designated hitting.
He should be out there on the field somewhere, but
he hasn't been in the lineup against every lefty and
it makes no sense. The dude has a seven to

(33:44):
sixty three OPS in his career batting against left handed pitching.
And I could go it further to Jake Croninworth, who
has come through with some really big moments this year.
He had home run today, it looked great, love it,
But traditionally, throughout his entire career, dude hasn't been great
against left handed pitching. Yet he gets declared an everyday player,

(34:04):
and it's like some sort of tenure that Padres players
are granted. Gavin Sheets gets declared an everyday player, so
they just leave him in and it seems very backwards,
it seems very anti analytical, and it goes along with
Luisa Riots continuing to bat second. You know whatever, We
fifty sixty games into the season and there's been no adjustment.

(34:26):
Even though he's having his worst year of his career,
He's making terrible decisions. We saw him today swing at
a pitch that hit him. The pitch hit him. It
was exactly what you're talking about. He before the ball's thrown,
he's like, all right, swinging at this one. Got to
hit the button when it comes, and he hit the
button and it hit him. And of course Nando wound

(34:49):
up scoring because Manny Machado had a great piece of hitting.
But now that Fernando is starting to turn on a
little bit, he still hasn't hit a home run against
a fastball, which and he does that, he will be
all the way back. But if we're gonna have Nando
doing what he's doing, get multi hit games and leading
off the top of the order in a dangerous manner,

(35:10):
and then just keep Louise a Rise behind him until
the trumpets sound until Judgment Day, Like, that's just stubborn man.
And I think it's a problem, and I think that
the club needs to make moves to bolter bolster its
platoon matchups and then use them.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Just to continue the discussion. So so you're saying, I mean,
because I don't Louise a Rise does not hit well. Okay,
the Padres this year have gotten the worst version of
Luis A Rise. So far this year, they've gotten every
piece of his defense, they've gotten every piece of his

(35:50):
base running, and they've gotten every piece of his lack
of power.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
And it's swinging at it. Everything is terrible, terrible, all
of his chase decisions.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yes, straight up, a Luisa Rise that hits anything under
three ten isn't a very useful player in baseball, which
made his three thirteen average Like, you're barely useful. Really,
Luisa Rise has to hit three thirty three forty to
be a useful player in the big leagues. And so

(36:24):
I don't disagree with what you're saying. But having said that, practically,
are the Padres actually going to do that? No, they're
not going to They're not going to pull a Rise
down in the lineup now. It would probably take a
month of him.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Here's my question. Then there's my think about it. Is
that born out of anything other than stubbornness, And I like,
I say that we're knowing stubbornness, Like, right, it could go,
it could help you out in the long run, But
it just seems born completely out of stubbornness, and like
that has to shift otherwise they're not going to get
where we want them to go.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Go ahead, mate, I well, I just like I don't
disagree with you. I mean, we had this discussion. We've
had this discussion multiple times, and it's just that the
Padres value veteran leadership and they value their people's intangibles.
I mean, some might say egos more than they do
putting out the stratomatic, you know, optimal best lineup. I

(37:29):
think that that's something that's clear. It's something that we
constantly bemoan when saying like why don't we do things
like teams like the Dodgers do, and they just they
just haven't done it. They haven't done it the entire
time that I've done this show. They weren't doing it
before I did this show, and my sense is that
they probably won't do it after we do this show.
It's just a baked in thing with as long as
aj Preller is the general manager and Mike Shilt, who

(37:51):
was one of his guys is is his manager. Like
they're going to be setting the lineup where guess what.
Tatis is lead off hitter every day. Guess what. Pchado's
gonna hit third, even though he should probably hit fourth.
Guess what Merril's hitting behind him, like, you know, guess
what Bogarts is hitting fifth, which, by the way, I

(38:12):
just really really brief diatribe, because this absolutely blew my mind.
Dander Bogarts in twenty twenty five is hitting the ball
better than he did in twenty twenty two, his last
season with the Red Sox when he put up I'm
pulling it up now six war and hit three h

(38:33):
seven three seventy seven, four to fifty six. And let
me tell you why. His expected wOBA that year was
three twenty three. His expected wOBA this year three twenty two.
His expected batting average that year two fifty nine. His
expected batting average this year two sixty four. His expected
SLUG that year was three eighty three. His expected slug

(38:53):
was three eighty six. Right now, his max or excuse me,
his average exit velocity that year eighty eight point one,
his average this year eighty nine point nine. You know,
his launch angle that year ten point two is launch
angle twelve point nine. The launch angle sweet spot percentage
in twenty twenty two was thirty point three, this year

(39:14):
thirty six point eight. He's a better hitter this year,
and yet he's up. Of course, he's not like we're
in an old, results faced business. So I didn't really
know what to make of that. I just wanted to
say that as a brief diatribe to to what we're
talking about now. They're never going to change the lineup.
I just I just know that in my bones. They're

(39:36):
just they're never going to change the lineup.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Bat him second, rafe.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I mean, look, Jake Cronenworth today had like an eleven
pitch at bad I forget at least ten eleven twelve,
ten pitches, ten pitches that ended with a home run.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Sure what I like to him?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
That?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Would I like to see that in the two spot?

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Instead of yes? Yes?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
However, do they believe that if you put Jake in
that situation that he'll respond the way you think you will.
I don't think they do. There can be a human
element to this that we are unaware of because we're
yokels on mics, you know, saying do this, do that?
You should? You should, you should? But we're not in there,

(40:27):
and and those are the kind of things I think of.
They line up the lineup the way they line up
the lineup, not because they're big dummies, you know, but
because they honestly think it's the right thing to do.
I believe the type of version that is idealized of
Luisa Rise makes sense sitting second, just like I believe
that FTJ should be the leadoff man. I was the

(40:50):
guy who was saying a week and two weeks ago,
you should push him down the lineup. I look like
the big dummy this weekend. When he gets eight hits
and walks a couple of times and scores a ton
of runs and restarts the Padres lineup and is a
great lead off hitter. They stuck with him at leadoff,
and so they're gonna they're gonna pay the penalty when

(41:11):
he's bad, and they're gonna reap every single penny of
dividend when he's good. And that's their attitude when it
comes to Luisa Rises, that when he's good, they're gonna
reap every penny of dividend by getting him out of there.
Do I disagree?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I don't think anyone disagrees with what you're saying, Chris.
It's just kind of like arguing with the irs or
something like, I mean, I agree, but what am I
gonna do? They're not gonna change.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
It sometimes that works, Craig and I just want to
button it up with this. If the Padres don't make
the change that leads to them scoring more runs, all
that is going to do is put more strain on
their high leverage relievers that have to hold one run,
two run, three run leads. And they've already used those

(41:55):
guys way too much.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
They have, and part of that, of course, is the
starting pitching. The team has scored six plus runs in
four of their last six games, and that's the most
we can really ask for. We can never ask them
to score six runs every single game, but if they're
scoring that level going forward the rest of the month,
we're going to be very happy that we won't have

(42:21):
fallen apart by the end of the month. This team
needs to get more depth out of their starting rotation
to get more length out of them. Today was huge
to get seven innings out of Nick Pivetta. By the way,
Brandon Lockridge made an amazing catch up against the wall
to deny a triple and that might have been the
moment in the game, because you just never know with

(42:43):
the Diamondbacks. If you give them that momentum of a
triple right there what might follow? So that was a
gigantic moment in today's game. But there's no question about it.
Adam is not the same guy he was in April.
Adam is now a guy who comes and gives up
a couple base runners, kind of wiggles his way off

(43:04):
the hook. You know, Estrata has given ground lately. Morhone
looks great, you know, swore is Saturday.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
But eventually the Padres must improve. I think we all agree,
and so we're kind of waiting for godot here. You know.
It's like, yeah, we all agree they must improve. We
all probably further agree that if they don't improve at all,
that eventually, slowly, excruciatingly, over the next three and a

(43:35):
half months, this will wither and trickle away and will
either creep into the last spot or fall out of
the last spot. You know, but I do have faith
that they are going to improve this team.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I do.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
I just don't know that they're gonna do it tomorrow.
And the Giants did it today, So you know, again,
it's not what is me bully for you San Francisco
bully for you? You know, the Diamondbacks tried like hell
to improve their team, and Burns is out and Montgomery

(44:12):
is out, and they paid fifty seven million dollars for
one win, one war this year, like they tried. The
Giants are trying at Domis Devers. You know, is it
going to work out for them? I don't know. We're
all chasing La. We're all chasing La, and the Padres
get to go to La now. I don't know, guys.

(44:33):
I feel like they came out of the Diamondbacks series
about as well positioned as they could. They didn't have
to torture their bullpen today. In particular, they got a
lovely rest for the bullpen. I think they're going in
reasonably fresh and leading the way dilettant Dylan allow him
to continue to be dominant and not disappointing.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Yeah, I think it was really important for the Padres
to just get at least one went out of the
series for the obvious reasons, but also because that means
that we're currently recording this in the middle of the
Giants Dodgers game, so we're not going to have that
result by the time this podcast ends. But at the
very worst, the Dodgers will be three games ahead of
the Padres. Which means that theoretically the Padres could have

(45:19):
the division lead at the end of the week. If that,
you know, in terms of the error bars on this week,
the Padres could be one up on the division or
they could leave LA seven games back on the division.
So I mean, I try not to speak in hyperbole,
but this is probably the Padres. They're not going to

(45:46):
win the division this week, but they could lose it
this week. They could absolutely lose it. In this series,
you get swept, gone, over done zone. So you know,
I look ahead to the to the Dodgers probable pictures
and this is according to UH roster resource. Shout out
to Jason Martinez. But the Dodgers are throwing uh uh.

(46:08):
This is sequentially from Monday to Thursday, Ben Casparius, which
is of course a bullpen game, Emmett Shean, Matt Sour
who was sacrificed at the altar last week, and Yoshinobu
Yamamoto on Thursday. So obviously those are estimations from Jason Martinez.

(46:29):
But that is a gettable Dodgers lineup. That is a
very gettable Dodgers rotation that is set to go against us.
So look again, you go one in three and it's
minus two, really tough on the division, but that doesn't
kill your season. You go two and two, that's I

(46:49):
would say that that's a win. Obviously, anything more than
that is gravy. But just like with La excuse me,
just like with Arizona, and like you said, Craig, this
is a month of survival, and I just think the
bar has to be you cannot get swept. You just
you have to take one. You take one, You're okay.

(47:10):
If the if the Potters get swept, that's a big deal.
It's a really big deal.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
No, it is.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
And that's why you know, I really sympathize with with
Chris's frustration and has called for we need something now,
because when you just add Lockridge to the lineup, keep
Wade in the lineup, add Maldonado tomorrow, you know, like

(47:37):
it's it's really getting chunky at the bottom of the
order for the San Diego Podres. So if you had
a real left fielder, and and you know, look bless
Tyler Wade. He's a he's a fine twenty sixth player,
but anytime he gets two weeks of at bats in

(47:58):
the big leagues, you understand and why he doesn't get
two at weeks of at bats in the big leagues,
why it's not a good thing. The three for thirty
comes in a real hot hurry with Tyler Wade and
you see that one hit and you're like, ooh, hey,
Tyler's slapping it the other way man, And then like
they're just constant flyouts, out out out, you know, you

(48:24):
get it eventually. So yeah, it's scary that the Dodgers
roll up like Edmund in a spot where we roll
up Maldonado, and that when we bring in more hone
for a big spot, they're gonna switch out you know,
whether it's a months or whoever, back in the day

(48:45):
out and then but you know they'll they'll switch out
their platoon guy for the other side of it. We
will leave our platoon guy in and they'll just laugh
and take the dividend and go, okay, plus one, there's
a strikeout in this inning. And that's how they'll That's
how they won two games against US last week, and
it's probably how they'll win a game against US, if
not more, this week. Eventually, if we get to a

(49:08):
point where the Padres have a complete team again like
they did in August, and September last year. Then I'll say,
we can go toe to toe with these guys, and
it's just going to come down to the breaks of
the game. Right now, we're not there, so you know,
it's a matter of literally hanging on and not getting buried.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Hey, with Fernando going again and Manny going, you know,
that's that's the bulwark the team is built on.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
It.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Just like you know, we came into the season yelling
about Yuli and Maritimoldanano being on the team, and I
think Tyler Wade, Jose Iglesias, Brandon Lockhart, Hey, that's a
that's a solid bench, especially if DZ is your backup capture,
which you know, not convince he's ever going to be
this year. But like I, like I said, it just

(49:58):
it's going to be a really tight in the National
League West this year, and I don't think waiting for
the deadline's gonna cut it. And we already see people
online and even in the discord talking about the Padres
being sellers, and that blows my mind. It's such a
weird reaction to five hundred ball for a few months,
but without the early seasons success, that's where the club

(50:18):
is and you know, at five hundred, then the reaction
of wanting to be sellers makes more sense, which it doesn't.
Like I said now at all.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
People are weird, man, I'm sorry. That's that's that's insane.
They're eight games over right now. There they are three
games out of the division lead. They're I don't know
why even where they are in the wild card right now,
they're they're in the third spot. They're one and a
half up on the third spot. People are weird.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
There are weird people, I know, and I love our
weird people. I do, but I don't. I don't tend
to spend a lot of time in our watch party channel,
in our discord. And I'm going to tell you that
the number one reason why is not the content, although
I'm about to discuss the content. The number one reason
is that usually my TV is forty five seconds behind

(51:11):
at least the discord, so I can't watch it and
enjoy the game. The Discord just tells me what happens.
You know, I see a string of fought fuck fuck
thuk though fun, I know that this next pitch isn't
going to be good. You know, three pitches for now?
Is it going to be good, and that's what makes
it horrible. But I was spending a little more time
in there over the weekend, and like, literally, our team

(51:33):
fell behind three to one, and like people aren't just
saying game when they fall behind three to one in
the fourth inning, it's game, and it's moving on to
like Chris's soliloquy and why didn't they get the trade
done and why haven't they changed the catcher yet and
why and Hilt sow this, and so then I'm like,

(51:53):
there's five innings left, you know, and like literally the
team then took a five to three lead and built
it out to seven three lead. You know, at some
point I wrote just like game question mark, like is
this game now?

Speaker 3 (52:08):
You know?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Like no, And it turned out, you know what it
wasn't And whoever was in fucking Diamondbacks outfield, fools splashing
around going game game, probably where Tevin spends the rest
of his time over there, just a snake pit. Yeah,
Like those people were wrong too. You know, the Diamondbacks
have come back from four runs plus down on the
ninth four times in the first half of this year.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
They have eight Grand Slams, that's insane. Baseball's stupid all
the time. It's dumb, So why would anyone ride on
the fucking acid waves that it creates for you. I mean,
you can do it, but it's it's it's actual insanity.

(52:57):
It leads you to crazy town.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
I want to get into a few things, because you're right, Craig,
one hundred and sixty two games, nine innings a game,
three outs atn inning, and a lot can happen within
all of those subsets and numbers. I want to get
us to the bullpen because we know they're under stress,
and I just want to give you a little context
on the horseman, if that's all right, just to sure

(53:24):
they're at this year compared to years prior, because they've
been pitching in a lot of tight games and they've
been really good in them. Jason Adam leads Major League
Baseball in appearances, and the fastest that he's ever gotten
to thirty five games where he's at right now was
only eleven days faster than he's done it. So he's

(53:45):
getting ridden, but he's not getting ridden in a way
that he would be completely unaccustomed to. Right like, it's
maybe at a fifteen percent higher pace than his years prior.
I think he's gotten in him, but like you said,
we already see him be a little bit worse of
a picture now than he was earlier in the year.

(54:07):
Adrian moorehone, the fastest he's ever gotten to thirty two
appearances was July thirteenth. That's a month ahead of time.
Adrian more ahone is setting a crazy higher pace than
he ever has, and the same for Jeremiah Estrada. Fastest
he's ever gotten to thirty four appearances was July fourteenth.

(54:28):
Now Suarez is under the same pace that he was
last year. But you guys remember what happened to him
last year and the end of the season.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, yeah, we wore down.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
He wore down. And right now the Padres fifth and
eighth leverage relievers, which are Logan Gilaspie and Alex Jacob
are not on the team. In the sixth and seventh
are Wandi and Yuki.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
So yeah, I mean, oh, this isn't just a product
of you know, you know, this is a product of
both the starting pitching, but it's also a product of
the offense. You know, you're not scoring a lot of runs,
so you're forcing your high leverage relievers in because all
games are close when you're not scoring a lot of
runs and you're holding people in. I mean, this is

(55:15):
a this goes back to the watch party discussion. But
like another truism is that for for baseball fans in
real time, no manager has ever managed their bullpen well.
Like it's just it's just no one's ever managed the
bullpen well. But if you hit them with well, you know,
the Padres have an ERA of three twenty three out
of their relievers this year and arguably of a top

(55:38):
five bullpen. You know, I'd say part of that is
the way in which it's been deployed. But no, no, no,
managed shilt is terrible at bullpen usage. Whatever. No, it's
just like you pull levers and sometimes you pull a
lever and it doesn't work, and that's baseball and that's
like what it is. I think for the most part,
you know, we can have the up down discussion if
we want to have it. But you know, that's that's

(56:00):
a little piccadillo that I thinks we have a you know,
certain feelings about. But the most part, make sew and
Rumaniyell had done a pretty good job managing the bullfen,
Like they just had to use it a lot because
of the position they've been in, So what are you
gonna do?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
You know, one hundred percent, I actually think their bullpen
usage has been It's not perfect, but I'd say it's
been close to ideal. And you're supposed to ride your
bullpen harder the first half of the year than you
are the second half of the year because that's when
they're the freshest, and that's when the most defective they're

(56:37):
going to wear down, just like every bullpen in history
wears down. And that's why it was so important last
year that at the deadline the Padres got Jason Adam
and Tanner Scott and Brian Hoeing and adding all of
those fresh arms into their pen. Now, those guys were
wearing down for their various teams, Tampa Bay and Florida,

(56:59):
but they get that in of going to a new team.
So you know, you hope for that going forward for
the San Diego Padres. But you know, it's it's really
boring podcasting, but it's like if Michael King never comes back,
the equation fails. At some point. You just put too

(57:20):
much stress on the bullpen and then eventually the bullpen
will break. You know, if Vasquez can't add an inning
to his outings, if Cease can't start giving you seven
innings on the regular, those things haven't been happening, and
so because of that, the Padres have had to use
their bullpen more. If Darvish came back and started throwing
seven innings, if Cease through seven innings every outing, you know,

(57:43):
it like you would get a better situation. But I
think they've done what they've had to do. And I
kind of feel like you feel about a tire, you know, like, oh, well,
the treads wearing out. What we're in the race, We're
not going to pull over and change the tires right now,
so let's hope that they stay together as we keep driving.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I'm pretty sure that if you're in the race, you
have to change tires. And I don't I don't know
if I don't have the book of Formula One's.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Perfect analogy, But but late in the race, there are
these moments do I pull over and change the tires?
Do I keep going? I don't feel like the pod
race have time to pull over and change the tires
right now.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
I think that that's right. And I also, as someone
who had a brief Formula One phase after drivers to
survive at the analogy is good. Sometimes you know you
want to you want to put the soft tires on,
but you're worried that they're not going to last throughout
the race. But they are, of course faster, so uh,
you know, it's it's a gamble. Sometimes it's a gamble

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that you that you make. It's it's it's actually it's
it's actually a very equivalent metaphor to hanging with a
picture a little bit too long and you're just like,
hope it pulls out, and you know, maybe one time
you hit a corner a little too hard and then
you start skid, and certainly happened for the Padres in
twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
So that's the Randy Vasquez contingency. Yes, there's some skidding.
The only way out of Jeff one fan.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
You're gonna start calling him Hoodini pretty soon. I like Strandy,
but he's getting into Hoodini territory.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, really not looking forward to him facing the Dodgers
on Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
Right, Tuesday, Tuesday, Yes, Tuesday, Yeah against score score twelve runs,
score twelve runs.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Padres, Give your boy some support. He's gonna need.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
It, and it Shean, which one of his songs is
the most popular.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
He was a great lanister on Game of Thrones, that's
all I remember. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I'm just gonna I'm gonna do that. Craig doesn't know
the name. That's now just a complete bit. I'm going
to just ride this bit into my ensuing dementia so
that it's very hard for you to know where the line.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I never know what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, okay, anything further, gentlemen, before we adjourn for the evening.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Uh yeah, I just want to say that I think
sometimes especially on the right, we like literally we were
hitting the record button and the Dever's news broke. So
I just want people to understand that. So we are
not a glum lot. You know, I still can't emphasize enough.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Guys were too positive. I thought you guys were too stunned.
I'm glum. I'm glumm.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
I was surprised at your at your glumness today, Chris.
But again it's like I will continue to be optimistic
about the Padres so long as their problems remain imminently solvable,
which they are. Just get a left field like, just
you get a left fielder. And this team is so
much better immediately, So I will continue to be bullish

(01:01:09):
on them. You know, that's my positivity corner. I guess
you could say for to end the episode on and hey,
go punch him in the mouth in LA.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
You know the left fielder is not going to be
Jaron Duran. I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
No, No, I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
And that's a good thing. By the way, I think
that you're not trading like Leo de Friese or something
for Jared Duran when you can go get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Hang on a second. You don't think that AJ looks
at this deal and goes, oh, no, shops open in Boston.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Now I can I mean, now I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Can go harder and get what I want.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
The Socks just swept the Yankees. There are a game
over five hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
I think it's a little too early for him to
be selling. And I think Devers was a very unique
situation where it was a toxic player in a bad
and they just they hit the eject button. So I
don't money White think that this changes things. What I'm
worried about, frankly, is that that Aj Preller does take
that conclusion. But the Red Sox say, well, we're not

(01:02:14):
willing to sell yet, So then a j preler waits
another six weeks to make a deal until the Socks
are officially out of it. And now we played another
six weeks with a you know, Lockridge, Jason Hayward, Trenton
Brooks platoon and have lost games because of it. So
instead of just going and trading for Jesus Sanchez or

(01:02:37):
Austin Hayes or Taylor Ward or any of those guys,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Yeah, last bad. Yeah, he's just money, that's all he is.
He's money, that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
The same thing, not as good as he's like a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Bad hitter too, hitting one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
He runs FAST's Brandon lock with danger. He's like Razors
Brandon Lockridge.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Right, yeah, he'll he'll give you all the production of
Brandon Lockridge with the added exciting promise of well he
could be a lot better than that though, Like I mean,
I know he's hitting two hundred with the six I
hope yes, But have you seen him. He's really cut
and he might do a lot better. Now He's never
gonna but he might, so let's trade for that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
No, it's gonna look good in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
The yeah, year two versions too Okay, Padres Hot to
Dodger series coming up. Buckle in Folks, Buckle in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Go Padres, Do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Do Do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Do Do

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
What is the way before they record of the