Cease and Desist, Boston!

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Speaker 1 (03:23):
I'm Craig Elston, joined as always by Chris Reid, Rayfie Canter.
We are recording on August tenth, twenty twenty five, not
too too long, within the same hour as when the
San Diego Padres dispatched the extremely good Boston Red Sox,
beating them two out of three games, taking the last

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two of the series to win four consecutive series. Post
trade deadline, the Mike Shilt push is on to the
finish line. Turns out, when you give them a bunch
of rocket fuel at the deadline two years in a row.
It really helps build the narrative that he's a much
better second half manager than he is a first half manager.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Gentleman, Hey, if you can't beat the American League, go
take all the American League's players.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
That's a good strategy.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
There was a really, really good piece that was published
in the Union Tribune this morning about AJ Preller Josh
Stein and the quote unquote the room, the room where
it happens to speak. And I'm sure you know actually
bet it on our menu, but that's actually something we
should be talking about on today's show because I thought
that was an excellent piece. And yeah, I mean, look,

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it's one of those correlation not causation things necessarily that
Mike Shill gets to benefit from and he just gets
to hay cuz his way all the way to a
nice second half. Hey, cuz, good one accounts Cuz.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Mike Schildt had a good weekend. The one note that
I mean, you should just say that and say it again.
He had a good weekend, including some outstanding bullpen management
in a very nervy win on Saturday evening. And yet
I did chuckle at the Sunday morning, reporting that when
the game was over and the buckets of gatorade had

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been tossed and the jumping up and down and the
infield was over, that Schilt pulled that old metaphorical station
wagon up to Ramone Loreano and said, hey, cuz, come on,
come on in here, because you might have missed a sign.
You might have missed a sign. That game winning hit
not what we're looking for, buddy.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Oh really, Oh yeah, I missed that.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Ramon Loreano missed a bunt sign that had been put
down for him to sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
The game.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, instead, with Alex Bregman pulled in expecting the sacrifice
because the Red Sox do a little scouting.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know something we found out this weekend as well.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh yeah, Loriano so then hit a ball into the
infield dirt that chopped over Bregman's drawn in body exactly
to where he would have been to start a double
play if he had been back instead of him and
the Padres dance off to victory, and then after the dancing,
Shilt calls Loreano in the office and says, hey, let's

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go over those signs one more time, be cuz we
don't want that happening again. We don't want any of that,
any of that individual winning going on. We need you
to supplicate to the masses. Let's go anyways, I'm just teasing.
I'm only not teasing a very tiny bit. We should
not bump with Roman Loreano up. I'm sorry we shouldn't.

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Matt.

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It's really the now oh now, our.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Okay, this is a show about the padres. I do
promise it is a show about the.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Power you can loop that and attract Narwhale. It sounds
you just heard over the last eight seconds. Okay, let's
get into this. Uh, let's get into this weekend series.
Over the Red Sox. I want to start with something
that should have been patently obvious to us. But I

(10:37):
don't follow the Al East as follow as close as
I follow things, you know, west of the Rockies. The
Red Sox are good, and I think they succeeded trading devors.
I think it's it's crystal clear to me watching the
team that I watched in person and on TV the
last seventy two hours that that is Alex Bregman's team.

(10:59):
They like the Astros used to play. They've got that chip,
They've got that just up and down attack. Uh, trash
Cans are being subbed out every other homestand I don't
know that to be true. But iPads, Yeah, they obviously
are relentlessly scouting for edges as an organization, as we'll

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get into. But Bregman's a beast, and you can't bring
him on your team and not have him be the
leader of your team. If you do, he's going to
be the op on your team. You know what I'm
saying like he's such an alpha that if you bring
him in to be the beta to someone else's alpha,

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he's it's just going to cause a rift. And the
Red Sox were a pretty just okay team as the
whole thing was, well, Bregman's here, Dever's you got to
move off the position. But wait, you promised this is
my position. Yeah, but you're bad and he's good. Can
you please move? Go be a DH? Okay, I'll be
Dh'll make the All Star Game. Well what about first base?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Eh?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Okay, Well we're gonna trade you. And the Giants have
been begging for somebody to take their money for so so,
so long, so long, and finally somebody who can't say no.
All they have to do is accept the contract and
the dude has to move out and come to.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
The West Coast.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
And look, it's reductive and it's deeply simplistic to say
that the Giants have a worse record since they got
Devers and the Red Sox have a better record since
they got rid of Devers. I don't think Devers is
a bad player that makes teams worse. What I think
is that Bregman needed that vacuum to fill with his

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personality to create alignment in that clubhouse, and since then,
that Red Sox team, which is not the best team
in the league, but they've got a super deep lineup
and they've got a good pitching staff. Like they came
in hot as a firecracker and then they just put
it up our high knees on Friday Night. So to

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come out with a series win at the end I
think is a legitimate accomplishment in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah, and I want to elucidate the point that you're making, Craig,
which is that the Red Sox may have quote unquote
won the Giants trade right now in twenty twenty five,
but the Padres are still losers in that transaction because
having Devers in our division sucks. And if he's Devers
is stinking up the locker room in Boston, that has

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no effect on the Padres. Him being in the NLST
is a net negative for the for the Padres. However, Yes,
I mean, but as you're saying, you know the sample
size we have right now, the Giants have been worse,
the Red Sox have been better, and completely agree. I mean,
like the we talked about this on the postgame show
for patrons last night. But like, the Red Sox have
a young, controllable core who are going to be playing

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together for the next half decade, and I do think
that that matters, Like I do think that those things
and then having a unit that builds chemistry and rapport
with one another, and yeah, I mean, you know, lest
we forget that, the Red Sox are managed by Alex
Korra and he said, I want to go get my guy.
I want to go get my guy from Houston and

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bring him into this team. And it's been an absolute
boon for them. I mean he I mean, you said
it yourself, Craig. He's a beast.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
He is.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
He is an anchor in that lineup. He is the
number two guy. He plays a great third base too,
he says, not looking at the statistic and not knowing
if he's wrong.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah he does. Okay, thank you much. Uh and uh.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
And they play in a tough division and they're like
they're scrappy as all hell, and that I mean, like
we talk about the the Phillies, uh as like a
lineup that you don't want to face in October. And
I'm not I don't think the Red Sox are on
the same level. But when I look at the Red
Sox lineup as we played them this week, and I
was like, man, there's not really a lot of relief
in there, Like maybe you're hoping Rafaela hits a ground ball,

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but even then he could leg it out and like
he did and got gone on for the game time
run on Saturday. So yeah, it's a great, great series
when to come away with, especially after an absolute stinker
on Friday.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
I talk a bit of Red Sox with my next
door neighbor who is a lifelong Red Sox fan, Red
Sox fan, Red Sox fan, socks fan, and yeah, no
there's no socks. Yeah, there's no sock running around.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
They're screwed in Australia that we call them the soks.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I believe you, mate. Well, he became very sick of
Devers and uh with the drama that he had with
the general manager of the team, the new general manager,
Heim Bloom's replacement, Craig Breslow. Like basically these two butted

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heads from the very beginning of the year, and Devers
was a panic signing after the Red Sox had traded
away Mookie Betts and had seen fan favorite Xander Bogart's
signed with the Padres. Now I just want to point
out to Padres fans, what did Xander do when he

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was asked to give up his position, his longtime position,
like within weeks of the season starting.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
He gave it.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
He gave it fifteen minutes, gave it up in fifteen minutes.
And that acted generosity. And you know, for a guy
who's always got his money and could have thrown his
ego on the table and said, Nope, this isn't how
it's doing. You know, we can, we can work this
out some other way. It's gonna be the other guy
who plays shortstop better, who's moving, and he didn't do that.

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Devers choosing to throw that card on the table caused
a rift in that clubhouse from the very beginning because
they have a lot of young guys who are learning
how to play the game right now, and they had
Alex Bregman playing it one way and they had Devors
playing in another way. So them unloading it to San
Francisco seems like it working out about as perfect for

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the Red Sox as possible because they've got him replaced,
They've got Yoshida playing DH and like it's that's like
a fifteen percent downgrade from Devors. I know that matters
big time. But they're they're like good to go and
they're going to be a dangerous team for a long
time as long as they don't stay cheap when signing

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starting free agents. But they extended Garrett Crochet after trading
for him, and luckily we missed him this. You know,
Brayon Bail.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Is a lot Brian Bail.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Bryan Bao is a lot more favorable matchup than Garrett Crochet.
So glad we missed that one this time. But four
and two on the road trip, like on this not
road trip, but on the going away four and two
this week, since we last both week, which is what
we asked them to.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Do, we did. We did ask for it, we did.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
The last thing I would say about that.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Is that, yes, it's one hundred percent too that it's
a long term concern that Raphael Devers is in San Francisco,
but that is dependent on him hitting, and so far
with the Giants, he's hit two thirty with seven home
runs as their full time DH essentially and as such
he has generated about half a b war during his

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time in San Francisco, while San Francisco has plateaued from
a team that was double digit games over five hundred
to being five hundred to getting back to what was.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Probably their destiny.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Anyway, I always thought that they were a little paper
tiger ee when they were out there hot in the
first two months of the season. But nonetheless it was like, uh, oh,
this team's hot, and now they've got Devers, they could
be great, and instead it was, well, they got Devers,
but Devers is just kind of hitting two thirty with
a four something, you know, slugging and ops under eight hundred. Honestly,

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Lamont Way Junior probably did better in twenty twenty one
as a DH than Devers as for San Francisco. So
the only point I'm driving at this is Devers is
only gonna help a club one way. In that sense,
he's kind of like Sodo. He's not as good as Sodo,

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but like Sodo isn't gonna win too many games for
you with his base running prowess, Sodo isn't gonna win
too many games for you with his glove. Nobody is
stopping at third base on a basic to second or
you know, base it to the outfield with the run
around second because Sodo came up throwing even though he's
got no karm.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
But they're not.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Stopping at their going hang on automatic stop signed SODA's.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Got the ball.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
No, he needs to hit for his team to succeed.
He needs to hit all the time, and Devas needs
to hit all the time for him to be a
driving force that powers the Giants ahead. If he's just
out there hitting average, then all he is is a
thirty million dollars average guy, you know, and that's that
doesn't help your team, doesn't help your team at all.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
So just something to think about. I'm not trying to
jink or reverse jinks.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
We're going to see the Giants next, and I hope
Rafaeld Devers stays tepid.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I hope he doesn't get the cove boiling over the
course of the next three days.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Let's keep with this series.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
So I had the misfortune of going to Friday's game,
and I'll just tell this story. Big patron Andy came down.
It was one of those days where I made the
offer in the middle of the day, like, hey, does
anybody want to use the other two tickets'? No one,
you know, offered to the big patrons, does anyone wanted?

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Andy plucked it and said yes. And as I got
his ballpark e mail, I saw our DM history and
I'm like, oh, this is the third straight year Andy
has gotten tickets from me. And the first time was
a loss to the Dodgers, and the second time was
a game we went to last year that the Padres
lost and I left by halfway through, and I could

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see that in the DM. And then he came down
from Pasadena with all and they literally as they emerged
into the section and we waved to say hello, will
you or a bray who waved goodbye to a Paveta

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curveball and sent it over the pavilion in right field, and.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
The game was all but over as they sat down.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
In the fourth inning, and sure enough, two innings later,
I was like, well, I'm going to be heading out
of there. And he had the audacity to say that
I was Tevin's alter ego, and I'm like, no, you
don't understand, bro.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I like this team. I believe in the team completely.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
I just I've been to enough baseball games in my life.
There's a certain it's almost like reading an aura, like
I could read the aura of the game, and the
aura was this ain't happening. And guess what, Daddy was
right again, tend to Nick Pavetta. Afterwards, Rafie said that
he was just too amped to face his old team.

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He maybe got into his head a little bit on
Friday night.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well, and it was also the perfect storm, because the
narrative in my head, of course, is Pavetta against his
old team, Walker Buehler's return to Peco Park in a
different uniform, what's that going to be like? And it
turned out that, as you said, Pavetta a little too
amped to face his former team. And turns out Walker
Buller very comfortable pit in Pecko Park. Let's he forget it.

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Turns out he's really good at pitching here and it sucks.
And we didn't magically get any better at hitting him
just because he's now playing in a different uniform. He
is still the same guy who is not feeling jittery
at all about coming here. In fact, I bet you
he was feeling quite comfortable. And he sure did look
comfortable because we couldn't hit him for shit.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, he said so.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
He said as much in his postgame comments that he
likes this mound. He likes pitching here. He's had so
much success, he said, so much comfort. And you know,
the Padres knocked him around a couple of times last year,
and watching him, you can understand why Red Sox fans
are so frustrated. I mean, first off, he's given up
more hits than the Nix pitched. He's walking almost four

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and a half batters per nine innings. He's given up
plenty of loud contact and that stuff that I remember
Walker Buehler having as a Dodger. He just doesn't have anymore.
His fastball's ninety five, you know, it dropped to ninety
two and ninety one by the end of his outing.
But when he locates that knuckle curveball and he had
it snapping on Friday night.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
You know, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
These Padres hitters have had a long track record of
not succeeding. And it was kind of funny as well.
There was Red Sox fans all around us. Honestly, the
Red Sox fans kind of took over Petco Park.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
They were very loud on the radio, they were very loud.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
They kind of took over Petco Park.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I was literally if I hadn't had Andy and his
partner to my right. It would have been a complete
surrounding of Red Sox fans in my section. But this
one dude in front of us, who was, you know,
six or seven in I'm sure, but kind of turned
in the fifth because he heard his doing baseball chattering.
He's like, well, I gotta get Bueller out of there,

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you know, I gotta get Butler.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Out of there.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
And I'm like, buddy, you need to leave Bueller in
until his arm falls off, because this is gonna be
the best he pitches for you tonight and the rest
of his Red Sox career, like, it's never gonna be
as good as it is today, So stretch it out,
have him go that extra frame because the next time
out he's gonna get his ass handed to him by

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some other club.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
But he owns our butts and enough said. It was
a rough night at Peco Park, And.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Can I also just say there are a lot of
people from the Boston General area that are transplants and
have moved to Peco and who get to come and
see them play in their new adopted hometown once every
two years, and I'm sure a ton of them were there,
So yes, I'm sure Boston fans travel well, and also
a lot of them live in San Diego. And I

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bet you eighty or seventy nine other seventy eight other
games a year, seventy eight other games a year at
Pecko Park, if they're there, they're wearing Padre shit. But
I bet you there's those three where they're they're wearing
the Red Sox stuff. And that's just what it is. Man,
a good place to live.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
You know, it's never a great game when somebody gets
sent to Triple A at the end of it. This
might have been last time we see Sean Reynolds for
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
That was always probably.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
With King who was King coming back? Yeah, yeah, probably,
but still five ernies not not in just like nowhere
near the plate, A really rough outing for a dude
who you know has had a fairly other season Otherwise.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, I do agree. I think unless there's some spade of.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Injury or overuse, we're pretty much through all of those
twenty five games in twenty six D type you know,
marches that they had to do through the early part
of the summer, So I would not expect to see
when the rosters expand, you might see Reynolds find his
way back. I'm sure you'd see JP Sears find his

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way back, and he'd be ahead of him in terms
of that. So you know, we'll see the guys in
the fringes man as Rafie and Percota talked about years
ago on pa Are those are the guys that are
just going to keep moving all the time, and you
know you need to really do something to root yourself.
Sean Reynolds did some good things this year, but boy

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and outing like that, especially when they needed him to
finish that game and he went out and just completely
was unusable. Tough, tough look for him. But that was Friday.
Saturday night was the return of Michael King, and for
all the excitement of that, you had to think kind

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of you Darvish style, especially when he had one relief
or one rehab outing.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
And it was bad, really bad that you couldn't expect
Michael King to go out there and give you six
shutty on Saturday afternoon, and as point of fact, he
gave him two plus with two or and runs allowed.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Uh got into a basis loaded jam in the second
inning and did work out of it and afterwards said
my slider had nothing a lot of times I aimed
for the inside corner and hit the outside, or I
hanged for the outside and I hit the inside. So
you know, Michael King isn't coming back from injury. He's
coming back from a nerve issue that that reduced his

(28:23):
range of motion for a period of time. He's never
had an actual tendon or tissue injury. So he's healthy.
It's just a matter of getting his stuff back.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
You're talking about an arm injury. He's not suffering from
the arm injury, yes, but the thorastic nerve thing is
an injury.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Like the range of motions, right, it was a compressed
nerve and but he had to wait for it to relax.
But just saying he didn't have a tendon tear in
his elbow, he didn't have a laborum tear in.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
His shoulder tissue damage.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, So he should be able to pitch the way
he pitches, you know, as soon as he gets the
touching feel back on his ut.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
It's rust man like. You can't just stop what you're
doing in the middle of the season, not do it
for two months and have like no effects. I mean,
I guess you could, but I think to a couple
of earned runs is probably right about fiftieth percentile of
what you could expect for the guy coming back.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, but hey, he's back, and he had a big
smile on his face after the game. You know, I think,
you know, nothing came out today about any issues, so
I think it's a really exciting return. Now, the next
time he's going to pitch, it's going to be a
Dodger stadium, so tough, tough second spot, you know, to

(29:52):
pop up. But in a playoff series, that's the guy
you'd want out there. So we'll see how it shakes
when we get to the weekend. That's still a long
ways into the future. Meanwhile, on Saturday, Padres had to
go to that bullpen with no outs in the third inning. Uh,

(30:13):
Wandy Peralta, How does Wandy Peralta, a veteran of some
ten something major league seasons, and Manny Machado, a veteran
of I believe thirteen major league seasons both failed to
know the rules when they're trying to pull a shoot
the Moon and execute the hidden Baldrick?

Speaker 3 (30:35):
How do they not know the rules? Hey, Manny might
know the rule. He's not holding the ball, Let's not
throw our guy, Manny under the bus.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Here is this spontaneous art that's being created on the diamond.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
I'll bet it might chill grip ball baby. That's what
I think. I'm willing to blame the big guy right away.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Ball talk today is the hidden ball trick? You ever
seen it? Heard of.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
These kids? These kids ain't seen it. These kids ain't
seen it.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Het up some stew and listening to my guess.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
My guess is that the padres On Friday night after
they lost, you know, morale is low. They turned down
the lights in the locker room. They put the little
you know, those little blow in the dark stars you
can put on the ceiling. They put those, Yes, absolutely,
they took a sheet. They took a sheet down and
they put it on the wall and they projected the

(31:32):
nineteen ninety four classic film Little Big League on the
wall of the Peco Park Clubhouse. And in that movie,
of course, Little Big League about the uh uh.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Own Strong's mom, Strong Strong Mom.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
That is true.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
That is she's in the movie as the mother of Henry.
I think no, Henry's Henry Rows Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Who you know whose grandpa just happens to own the
Minnesota Twins, and then the team passes to him, and
then they're in the front office and they're like, who
should we get to manage the Twins?

Speaker 5 (32:11):
And they're like, He's like, I could do it, and
they let him do it.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
And guess what he calls for at a certain point,
A hidden ball trick. And I'm guessing that Wandy had
never seen the film and he was so taken by
it and inspired by inspired by the romance of the
Crow Armstrongs and the one Crow Armstrong and you know,

(32:36):
decided to try and make some magic in Becko Park
on Saturday night. That's the reality I'm gonna live in
because otherwise it's just stupid and I don't want to
live in the reality.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, she went by the way, she went by just Crow.
Back then she was Ashley crow Armstrong. Ashley Crow. Yes,
as we were thinking of Billy Hayle Edwards, no relation
to Cheryl.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Unknown at this time.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Oh no, We're gonna say no, because we would have
heard it. We would have heard he Crow Armstrong's Auntie.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Crow Armstrong know about Lance Armstrong's doping. That's what I
want to know, because now.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I'm so sorry, guys, this is at a separate Patreon level.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
I should have eaten an.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
How the Snicker's rafe.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh my goodness. Back to this game.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, this was one of my favorite games of the
year because this game was so illustrative of what San
Diego can do when they're not at their best now,
which is they can just throw a stop sign up
for the other team and say, I'm sorry, you're gonna
have to contend with five of the single best arms in.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
And point of minor digression here, while the Padres are soaring,
the New York Mets are sagging. The New York Mets
have fallen apart. They are floundering their way to potentially
flaming all the way out of the playoffs. And I
had to read all of these post deadline articles that
talked about the best bullpen and just were like, well,

(34:20):
the Mets, for sure, and then yeah, the Padres, you know,
they got Mason Miller, they had some good arms there before.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I don't know, but the Mets, holy cow, you know
the difference is.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
And I hate to sound anti step, but like the
Mets guys pulled the spreadsheet and said, look at the stuff.
Plus look at the this and that, look at that
and this. Tyler Rogers is such an incredible advantage. Ryan
Helsley in front of Diaz is gonna be But you
know what those guys don't have. Rogers has command. Hellsley

(34:56):
and Diaz don't. They never have, They've never had great command.
And I just put the stuff of the Padres five
finger death punch above what the Mets got. And Hellsley's
blown two saves, Diez blew a save today, like their
bullpen has imploded multiple times. And it's not like nanaboo boo.

(35:19):
I'm just saying, like, for everyone who thought they made
great moves, the Padres made great moves.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Because Mason Miller throws.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
One oh three, He's there are many many big leaguers,
probably like seventy five percent of big leaguers who just
literally can't hit Mason Miller just just cannot cannot get
the bat around fast enough to put contact on one
O two, one oh three. And that's a weapon we're
going to have this year and for years to come,
as opposed to the dude who throws the loopy scraper

(35:48):
hoping for induced vertical break on his seventy mile an hour, whizzled,
you know, whiffleball.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
The Mets into Peco and got shellacked, and they haven't
gotten back on their feet yet, is how I look
at it. But I do think they're going to They've
got a lot of talent on their team. I wouldn't
put the Mets out of the playoffs quite yet. But
what the Padres have done have made their They made

(36:19):
their lineup deeper than the Mets. You know, they don't
have Vientos or oh gosh, what's Mauricio or anybody like that.
You know, the Padres have now have no holes where
the Mets still have holes. And the bullpen was always better,
you know, Padre's bullpen was always better. And that we
got to see five finger death punch fully deployed against

(36:43):
the Red Sox. And you know, even if the Mets
were a little longer, I wouldn't be too worried about it.
It's gonna like the Phillies are are going to walk
away with that division, I think now, and they remain
the team I'm worried about that.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
The think about the Mets sucking it up lately is
also that in the n Now Central that the Mets
sucked it up to the boon of the Milwaukee Brewers,
who swept them out of Milwaukee and who have won
ninth straight and are just on the heater of all heaters.
Maybe firing Pat Murphy was the biggest mistake this organization's
ever made.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
I obviously don't believe that, but.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
We always said that.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
But what that does mean for the Padres is that
the Brewers are five and a half games in front
of the Chicago Cubs right now, and the Cubs are
playing on the Sunday night game as we speak, and
we don't know the result of that. You probably will
by the time you listen to this. And what that
means to me is that the Brewers it's their division

(37:47):
to lose, and the Cubs are going to be gunning.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
For a wildcard spot.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
And to me, finishing ahead of the Chicago Cubs is
paramount because if the Padres end up in the five seed,
they will be going and playing a best of three
series at Wrigley Field, which is the maybe the last
place I want to play a two game the best
of three series, because the weather is unpredictable. It's the

(38:14):
beginning of October, so I mean it could be cold,
it could be frigid in fact, which is not something
our guys are custom playing to. It is one of
the most unique ballparks dimension wise, with the long foul
poles and then the dip in in the left center
and right center field and the ivy and just everything.
And I think that the Padres played there in April

(38:34):
was the last time that they played there, so you'd
be returning to the little park you haven't been to.
I think the Cubs is a four seed in Padres.
A five seed is kind of a nightmare for us,
and the Padres are I think two and a half
two and a half back of the Cubs, and depending
on the result of that game, why there'd be two
or three. So this isn't just about catching up and

(38:55):
beating the Dodgers. This is about catching up to the
Cubs because they have one of the best home field
advantages in baseball and that's a huge factor for the
Podters coming down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Nice, I would just go ahead just to file away
the nice thing there. Oh wait, it's not nice because
it's a tie. It's three three, Yeah, and then the
it becomes the intra division record within the league. Yeah, yeah,
gotta run that up. Boys.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Well, the good news there is that both objectives align perfectly.
For the Padres to race down the Cubs, who came
into today eighteen games over five hundred, you have to
play great baseball. You have to play ninety one plus
baseball because at the end of the year, if you

(39:47):
win ninety games, you lose seventy two. That's plus eighteen
for the year. So the Podres still have a little
work to do to get there, but they're not that
far away right now. Being a season best fourteen games
over five hundred, you're if you can chase down the Cubs,
you can chase down the Dodgers who are altero eighteen

(40:09):
games over five hundred. So you know, it's to me
as simple as just perpetually pushing the bar higher and
higher and getting to twenty games over five hundred. And
if you can get to twenty games over five hundred,
you're either going to be.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Leading the division or you're going to.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Have the best wildcard record like you did last year.
And you know it wouldn't be it would be a
weird path. It'd be a different path to be the
four hosting Chicago with Milwaukee being the place that you'd
be headed next as opposed to LA. But I think

(40:47):
there's a lot of folks who, if you had offered
them that opportunity in April, would have done some hell
yeah fuck yass before they accepted, And like, where can
I sign on this one that we're going to go
through the Central to try and get the NLCS.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
So I got to give respect to those clubs though,
But also the Brewers have a weird twenty ten padres
vibe to me. They've got players like out of nowhere
playing so good, you know, so many of their starters
are just nondescript Dude Myers, Priester, guys who are not
like superstars but have.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Been just getting the job done.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
They always seem to have some random quad A guy
hit a chopper down the line, and that reminds me
of your victory Aalba and Jerry Hurston Junior hitting bleeders
over the second basement that would turn into three run doubles.
So I'm not sure that the Brewers won't have a
ten game losing streak in September like that club did.
But I know that they've got the safety of the

(41:46):
wildcard to protect them. So they're going to make the show.
But anyways, I digress. My point is that it doesn't
matter who we're chasing down. What we're chasing down is excellence.
That's what the Podres need to chase down now is excellence.
And the one thing when I called into your Guys
postgame show Saturday night on the way home from Wave

(42:10):
is that you know that game the Padres left up
for grabs by leaving about three very ripe offensive opportunities
on the board, one in the first inning, one in
the ninth inning, and another one in.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
The fourth inning.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
And today I thought the difference was they cashed in
a run in a critical spot to get from five
to two to six to two.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
They cashed in.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
The extra run, you know, when they got an opportunity,
a rise got the hit to get in those two
runs when BeO early on looked like he was going
to be really, really hard to beat, being opportunistic, and
that directly translates to that runners in scoring position statistic
that the Padres struggled with so much at the beginning
of the summer. To me, that's the difference between World series.

(43:00):
Here we come and listen, there's a lot of teams
that we're going to play a very tight margin.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Against They went three for eight, Red Sox went one
for five with runners in scoring position. I think the
biggest thing about today's game, and I alluded to it
in that same postgame show Craig, which was what was
the meaning of yesterday's when with Michael King going to

(43:26):
and then five finger death Punch having to turn in
the outing that it did was that Dylan Cease had
to have a fantastic outing, and he does. He does today.
He gives up a quality start before he even goes
out to the seventh and puts a couple of base
runners on and those become his earned runs, which you know,
it's a little bit of a bummer for Dylan gets

(43:48):
it under plays how good he was. But after that
really long bottom of the sixth inning where he had
to sit on the bench a long time, he was
sitting seventy something pitches and comes back in might just
be a little bit rusty, and that just kind of
takes away from how damn good he was, which is
really meaningful for this team.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I think we all talked about that on the show
last night too, right, like you need it, you need
it today and he delivered it. And you know, Raypie again.
You know, earlier we were talking about psychology and the
type of things that you can't pull out of fangraphs.
In terms of the Dever's trade, Bregman's role within a clubhouse,

(44:31):
Dever's role within a new clubhouse, you know, and I
kind of feel like this plays a little bit along
those same lines as well, in terms of this club
finding oh, pardon me, every game. In terms of this,
In terms of Dylan Ce's pitching through his free agent season, struggling,

(44:55):
negative feedback loop right, one bad start, adjustment, bullpen, We're
gonna go in, We're gonna try something else, another bad start. Oh,
I have one good one now, I immediately cough up
three runs in four innings. You know, he was just
snelling all the way around and all the way in
the back of his head. He had to know, and

(45:15):
his agent had to be saying too, there's a chance
you're gonna get traded, man, And Dylan sees, whatever we've
thought of his failures in the playoffs last year, is
an invested part of this team this year. You know,
he started the new year believing that he wanted to
win a World series with the Padres. He came to
spring training thinking he'd win a cy Young with the Padres,

(45:37):
and all the way through he's disappointed the Padres. And
in the strangest way, I think and listen, I'm holding
my hand up as high as I can. Okay, I
have ripped Dylan Sees. I was thinking it would be
a good move to move him off this roster, or
at least an okay move, an acceptable move to move

(45:57):
him off this roster if you were going to backfill
it with somebody else.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
In retrospect, it would be.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
A terrible move if JP Sears was taking all these
starts instead of Dylan Cees, Like, this is the guy
with the stuff, and again ages getting stuff as much
as he's getting numbers, he's getting stuff. Dylan's got the stuff.
And the biggest key is he's clearly made an obvious,

(46:24):
measurable adjustment to increase his knuckle curve percentage into double digits,
to increase his two seam percentage. Today it was in
double digits, and he's become His fourth pitch today was
a knuckle curve, like he is introducing his arsenal earlier
into these games, and that adjustment has made him less

(46:45):
of a reliever starting, which is pretty much what he
was his first you know, twenty starts or so.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Yeah, I mean he uh stackhass picks up his two
seam as actually as a sinker, and he had a
thirty eight percent slider used to create twenty five five
percent forcing fastball, fifteen percent sinker, thirteen percent knuckle curve
and whatever you want to say about fastball sinker, whatever
you can say. Definitively, those are at least three pitches
if not for, and he was dropping them in. I mean,

(47:13):
I want one of my favorite pitches of the game
he had was to Masa take Yoshida, I think on
his second ab, just starting him off with a knuckle curve,
which I think Dylan from Letters to AJ has done
a really really nice graphics to show like what the
pitch usages first plate appearance versus someone second plate appearance

(47:34):
versus someone third plate appearance if it gets that far,
and typically the last few starts Dylan sees has been
fastball slider like the guy we know him as as
in those first plate appearances. Second time to the order,
he's like knuckle curve at least once, if not twice
in an AB and then if he gets the third time,
you know, then you know making a decision there. But

(47:55):
I kind of think that that's interesting to have a
guy whose stuff is so good that you own only
have to show two pitches to people like that first
time through the order and it's great, And then the
second time hitters are coming up, they're seeing a pitch
they haven't even seen yet like that that that is
just completely new to the arsenal, and it gives you
so much optionality. And I agree with you, Craig, like

(48:19):
it seems very evident to me based on reporting that
the Padres were actively shopping Dylanc's to Houston and that
they just didn't get the package that they wanted, and
the package involved Spencer Raghetti who would have potentially been
coming back, and then prospects, and it seems like the
haggling was over prospects. And I'm pretty certain that if
Dylancy did get traded, he would have been good for

(48:41):
Houston down the stretch and it would have there would
have been questions asked and YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
But yeah, I think we're.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Kind of bearing the lead a little bit on today's game,
which is to say, outside of a Xander Bogart's error,
this would have been a completely clean game, like it
would have been a shot. It would have been a
shutout on a Dylan c stay in which they also
used David Morgan to cover parts of multiple innings, which
would have been basically exactly what we would have drawn up.

(49:10):
And it's still the game was still basically exactly the
way we would have wanted to draw it up. Xander
had just a just boot world, like there's just nothing.
It was just a bad one. He's really not made
a lot of those this year with something we saw
in those first couple of seasons he was with the team.
So I'm willing to just say, hey, it happens. He's
been wonderful this year. Human error didn't cost us the game. Whatever,

(49:31):
move on, But we asked you. One would say you
begged and you pleaded Craig last night on the show,
and it's fair to say Dylan delivered.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Well.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
This team needs him and they're going to need him
to win a Pennant, they're going to need him to
win a World Series. And I just think we can
always look at the measurables, but the psychology of a
man is something that is in vidual and case by case,
and in this case, I think Dylan Sees got the

(50:04):
biggest gift he could have gotten from the San Diego Padres,
which was beyond a pat on the back. Words they've
said to him all year Dylan, we believe in you, Dylan,
we think you're great, Dylan.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
We know we need you.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Dylan.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
You know you're going to lead us to where we
want to go. They've said all.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Those things to him since February, but it didn't matter
because he wasn't doing it. And then he was getting
a whisper. Oh yeah, you know, Houston called the Cubs, called.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
The Red Sox called. To your original point, like, these
discussions about having traded aren't only at the deadline. They've
been all year long, even in the off season, And
the psychology of it is the guy doesn't know where
he's going to going, regardless of what the Padres said
or their intentions when shopping him. He didn't get traded.
He knows where he's going to be, he knows what

(50:55):
he has to do, and that certainty is now there
when it wasn't before. And I think it's good you
said that. I'm glad that you acknowledge that you are
the only one on the podcast who thought that Lindsey
should be traded, and we'll move on.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Well, I did put my hand up.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Now that doesn't preclude anyone else from accepting the responsibility
of their words.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
And and I don't remember their words.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Thoughts thoughts, so.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Well, that's what makes you a master debater, Chris Facts.
I just watched that episode earlier this morning. It was
a very very good episode of South podcast. Cartman master debater.
He's been master debating for hours now. Oh anyways, listen,

(51:49):
I I pulled it again. I'm a guy willing to
stand up when you know, somebody I've criticized, but I've
wanted to succeed.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I'm not one of those fans, all right.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I'm not one of those fans who's like, wants the
team to lose so I can say, hey, I.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Told you he was going to be that way. You know,
you should always abandon hope.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
No, I want our stars to succeed. And a guy
that I've been very tough on is Xander Boguards. So
today I pulled it out. It's San Diego once again,
Dug the San Diego T shirt, which was at the
bottom of the auxiliary bag of Padres gear. Put it

(52:28):
right back up to top deck for today because Xander
bogarts the era actually illustrates to me how well.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
He's played defensively.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Which, to go back to Chris's point from earlier in
the podcast, illustrates how class he was to move off
shortstop for has Sung Kim, who then proceeded to make
a bunch of errors at the beginning of the year
last year, and he didn't go to Kevin Ace and
do a Padres daily about hey, you know what, I'm
struggling and Kim struggling like, why can't we just switch

(53:01):
this back? It would be so much easier. But he's
gone out and since June nineteenth, apparently the Padres have
one card in their deck that one player a year
can play, because last year it was Manning. He was
like six hundred ops with six homers on June nineteenth
and from that point to the end of the year

(53:21):
he played like an MVP, and this year it was
Xander Boguards that up to June eighteenth, was pretty much
a schmuck offensively, and while the rip thing has picked
up a little bit, over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Still a problem, but boy, he has been such a
different place. He has been.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Xander Bogart's worth every penny of twenty eight million dollars
for the last two months.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Ravy.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yeah, I was curious because I keep seeing this graphic
posted over and over again, like Sander boguards since June nineteenth,
which by the way is six to one nine day.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
So I think that that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
That's why we have the card in our deck is because.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
That's why we have the card. We can do a
C one player per year.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
On June seventeen.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
So before June eighteenth, Sander Bogarts was slashing two twenty
seven to ninety seven, slugging three eleven. Uh So, yeah,
he was He was just bad.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
He was bad.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
He Barry had no ps over six hundred. Uh Since
June nineteenth, he has slashed three point thirty seven. It's
been on base three ninety seven and he slugged five
forty two. He has a four to oh three.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Whoba has it gotten a little lucky?

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Yeah? But was he a little unlucky before?

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (54:35):
And so all you're basically seeing is that things are
starting to progress a little bit. But I wanted to
get into the the why, like why why has he
been so much better? And I really think it comes
down to his two strike approach. And I did a
little Pots of Replacement mini segment for this, which I
was very curious through June eighteenth. So up until and

(54:58):
through June eighteenth, with two strikes in the count, I
want to ask for some guesses. What do you think
Xander Bogartz's batting average.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Was once he got to two strikes?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Yeah, so once he got to two strikes, any two
strike count.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
MLB average is really low. So I'm gonna even go lower.
I'm gonna go point one one one.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I'm gonna say eighty seven.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Okay, you guys are way too low. It's two o
seven two o seven, thirty strikes.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Not that that's about average, yeah, wright.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Or something would be around the average, okay.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
WRC plus sixty eight Okay, since June nineteenth with two strikes,
do you want to guess what Xander Bogarts's batting averages?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Is it? Ninety seven?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Now I'm gonna go.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
All right, it's somewhere in the middle. He's hitting three
to twenty one. He's hitting three twenty one with two strikes.
He isn't ops of eight ten with two strikes and
this is eighty five played appearances going today's game.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
It's remarkable. That is so much.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
I know that the league has an OPS that's down
in like the low six hundreds with two strikes, So
that's remarkable. And so I'm thinking to myself, Okay, two strikes,
what's going on? What's different? And so stat cast has
this amazing new bat tracking feature where you can go
and you can get so much information on swings and

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with two strikes through drewne eighteenth, when he was stinky smarty,
stinky smelly farty, Xander Bogart's had a few key things
going on. He had an attack angle of six degrees
to the pull side, and he had a bat speed
of sixty.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
Eight point nine.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Okay, and his why intercept and I'm just gonna say
that's an annoying term, but that's what it is on fangrass.
It's how far in front of him is he is
the ball where when he makes contact with two strikes,
all that means his why inside how far ahead of
him is he is?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
He?

Speaker 3 (57:09):
And we wanted to be you want it to be
fairly out in front, because that's how power is generated.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Right, was thirty four point seven thirty four point seven
inches out in front of him, out in front of him.
Since June nineteenth, two key changes have been made. His
attack direction has gone down three degrees to three degrees
to the pole side, and his why intercept, the how
far he hits the ball in front of in front

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of the plate has gone down over two inches. And
I think that that's relevant because and the bat speed's
also gone down. I should say the bat speed's gone
down about a mile and a half per hour, And
that's relevant because the exact same change has happened in
Luisa Rise. Luisa Rise since the All Star Break has

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seen his bat speed drop by oh god, I just
had it up by about one and like one point
two miles per hour. He's seen his attack direction drop
four degrees to the opposite side of the field, and
he's also had pitches travel in closer to him over
two inches more. The exact same trend has happened between

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Luisa Rais and Xander Bogart's and so to me, that
speaks to and I know that they talked about Elias Diaz,
and I didn't pull his numbers beforehand, it'd be a
smaller sample size, but they talked about telling him, hey,
don't swing as hard, don't swing as hard, And so
I don't know this is this is This might be
like just pure speculation. This is a guy on his

(58:41):
couch with a spreadsheet like doing numbers. But I think
it's pretty cool that our two guys who have been
hitting the hottest in the last month or so have
had almost identical changes to their approach in that they're
not swinging the bat as hard they're they're they're hitting
a little bit less to the pole side with two strikes,
and they're also letting the ball travel there in And
so I don't know if that's Victor Rodriguez's influence, but

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to me, the extend to me like that's something that's
really cool because we're seeing the fucking Red Sox with
their iPad and everyone's freaking out at their advanced scouting
and they're they're looking for any edge possible, and.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
We have guys on this team that are struggling.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Manny has a six hundred OPS in August and Jackson
Merrill has not been himself for we can now say
most of the year that he has been playing. So
that's this is not to say that that that the
organization has a sterling sort of track record, but I
just like, I want to keep tabs on these things
because it's it's sometimes not really evident what kind of
changes the team is making in season. But to see

(59:44):
two players who are key in our lineup having similar
changes to their swim profile and having success pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah. I like that a lot.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And I mean just the old school baseball way as
you as you said in there, you're letting the ball
travel further. That's something Tony gwyn talked about so much
that Tony Gwinn Junior talks about it all the time
on the radio broadcast, about letting that ball travel a
little bit further and therefore letting it tell you where

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it's supposed to go, you know, and having the ability
to react to the pull pitch and to send the
outside pitch away.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So love it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Xander this weekend, consecutive games with hits with runners in
scoring position. I'd be very willing to say that that's
only happened at most three other times this year that
he's had two consecutive games that he got a hit
with a runner and scoring position that drove in the run.

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So he's really coming around on all facets. He's playing
like the player that the Padres were dreaming of when
they signed him at the end of twenty twenty two.
And it's great to see. It's honestly great to see.
We were all wondering and it was fair to wonder.
It wasn't unfair to the player. It was fair to

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wonder does this guy still have it? And the answer
for over two months has been a resounding yes, he's
got it. And if he's got it, the Padres have
a huge arrow in their quiver going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Hellya, as the guy who on the trade Deadline podcast
did say that the team should trade Louise Arise, I
will say that I should stop having thoughts. And when
he's hitting like this, when he's hitting like batting title
Louise a rise. He's an absolute joy to watch, and

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he was again today. So keep going, Luise, and thank you,
Victor Rodriguez. Extend him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I agree you should, and of course, as you guys know,
in the Padres constitution, a hitting coach can't be signed
to more than a ten day contract.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
So extended.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Tark arts teachers of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Given the next ten days, let's see what happened. Give
the kid a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Okay, we're at the hour mark or so, but I
want to get into a couple of other things. Kevin
Acey did a really good piece, really good piece could
have run in The Athletic in terms of getting into
the process behind the Podres trade deadline. And I thought

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the piece of reporting that came out of that that
was really interesting, guys, was that when the Mason Miller
deal was announced in the eight a m. Hour of
the trade deadline, every one of the other deals that
would later be consummated had been agreed to. That they
hadn't been finalized, so there was still the chance that

(01:02:55):
something could fall through, but all of them had been
lined up and agreed upon. And Preller said, I wasn't
making the Miller trade unless I got all the other
trades too. And that's again why you just don't comment
at nine am on deadline day, because they've literally got
a plan on a board that they're just waiting for

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the hours to enact, and we're taking the first piece
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
And going, oh my god, one way or the other, like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
What what a brilliant orchestration that that war room did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I think, Rafie said on the reaction pod, it felt
like that must have been the case. I could be
making that up, but I could have sworn I saw you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Smart comment from a very smartness dude man, very handsome.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
That guy should keep having thoughts, Kevin Ac should keep
writing pieces like this that he kind of like gets
to do his you know, like it's what was the
first sentence of that particular piece something you know, total like,
you know, friggin' the guy who wrote Perfect Storm, not

(01:04:10):
sebast and younger, but I can't remember the guy's name.
But from the very first sentence of that article, you
know AC's taking you in and along for a story.
That's not the only rad piece of writing this week.
I also want to say, like shout out a j
castlevel for talking about Freddy for Meen and his hometowned

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fellow hometownian from Venezuela, Carlos Hernandez Padres radio announcer and
World Series alumni. And I also thought Annie Heilbron friend
of the show, had an awesome piece about David Morgan.
Not a five finger death punch, but I mean the
sixth finger on that hand, guys, I want to give

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you a real quick little tidbit that I'm ever hyperbolic
or jumped to insane like reaches. But did you know
for his first twenty three games, Trevor Hoffman through thirty
innings to a three point three ERA while having a
fit that was almost five. David Morgan in the exact

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same amount of time has thrown the exact same amount
of innings thirty and he has a one dot eight
ERA with a fip that has to be much much lower.
But I'm not looking at fangraps, so i don't know
it off the top of my head, Craig.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
I just wanted to say for what I loved about
that piece, which I thought was very well written from
Kevin Ac and I agree Chris that it is very
much in his style. Is it's the first time I
can recall AJ really grappling with and elucidating his theory
of team building like and and basically acknowledging in the
piece like look, we're gonna trade away good ass players,

(01:06:06):
which is a direct quote from him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
He said good ass players.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
And you know he name dropped Josh Naylor and Andres
Munos and a bunch of those guys and he's like,
but we get good players in return, and he's like,
that's just the cost of doing business. And it's like,
it's what we talked about in our first main show
after the trade deadline, of like, he really does have
a theory of team building and it is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Like, a.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
I don't want to call it a market inefficiency because obviously,
like he is doing something that costs money, because like
it does cost money to sign these players who are
more expensive than prospects. But he's basically just like I
don't I'm not as precious about these people as everyone
else is. Like I think he is the least precious
general manager in baseball when it comes to prospects, and

(01:06:56):
I think that, like that's just another attribute of his
in terms of team building, and it's I just think
it's really interesting. I don't know if it's good, Like
I don't. I mean, the Padres are good this year,
and they've been good the last few years for the
most part. Twenty twenty three, the team was built pretty
well for the most part, and it's just fascinating. So

(01:07:19):
I don't know, man, I'm just stoked that we get
to talk about him. And about the team, and it
was a great piece. Everyone should go read it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
I got the first sentence it is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
They'd call it the room.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
It can be any room.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
That was good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
It can be any room, but it's the Room.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yeah, good piece. And you know, we've talked a lot
about this. A lot of last week's show was talking
about aj and why he does things the way he
does and the methods, you know, to his madness. But
the central underpinning of it is that he's not going
to waste the prime of these gigantic contracts that this
club has agreed to. And I can't avoid that being

(01:08:09):
a north star as much as he has made it
his north star. For the organization, the Padres never gave
anybody any money ever, Like really, they didn't sign people
to contracts. James Shields was the biggest free agent contract
in the history of the Padres when he signed it
in twenty fifteen, and then of course Eric Hosmer, at

(01:08:32):
one hundred forty four million dollars, became the biggest contract
the Padres had ever signed. Eight years, the longest contract
the Padres had ever given out, but the next year
it was ten years, three hundred million dollars Manny Machado,
and two years after that it was fourteen years, three
hundred forty million dollars Fernando Tatists Junior or fifteen years.

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And those deals are in place. So if we played
Brewer's ball, or if we played Royal's ball or Ray's ball,
I mean, they would never sign those contracts. But also
they would automatically consign two to four years of the
primes of those players to rebuilding years because you got

(01:09:18):
to bring in the young players. Which ones are gonna
sort out, which ones need to get moved out. We're
not increasing payroll. We're gonna you know, we're gonna have to, Oh,
if we have a good team and then we spend
too much and we don't win it all, we're gonna
have to tear it down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
They haven't done that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Instead, it's been a perpetual rebuilding of the system to
refuel the big league club. And I just got to
think say that that is as good of a statement
case of a way to run a front office as
any other.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Who's to say that you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
You don't get an extra flag on the championship trophy
if you did it with six homegrown players, like there's
no bonus for that, it's just winning so as much
as it's so scary. Again, I'll just go back to
Hunter Renfro and Manny Margo, Like if you had had

(01:10:12):
them for their entire careers, would you have been in
a fundamentally better spot than what the Padres have been
able to do? You know from twenty twenty forward, I
would say absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I love AJ's fearlessness in a game that all kind
of has like a group think aspect to it, and like,
you know, hiding in the safety of the pack effectively.
Wild talked about how they don't know if he's a
good GM. I think he's a good GM. Stadium's full
team has a chot at winning the championship basically every year,

(01:10:44):
Like of course things go wrong. You don't see some
things happening the way they do in twenty twenty one.
You don't see that you're gonna need Jake Arietta to
contribute meaningful innings amienst an offensive collapse in twenty twenty three.
You don't see like the worst running scoring runners in
scoring position luck you've ever seen, you know, on all

(01:11:05):
the stuff that befell that team, but on all the
dude does a really great job and uh, you know,
the stadium's full despite tickets going up just about every year.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Excellent transition. Yeah, they really said they didn't think, they
didn't know if they thought he was a good jam.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Yeah, like they do. That's they're they're they're kind of snobby.
They're they're a little snobby.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
They petey and yeah very much.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, Yeah, he's obviously a good jam and that should
go beyond anyone's discussion point. And I'm someone who has
set on this feed and you could probably go nexus
lexis forty counts of me saying those words exactly, saying
I don't know if he's good or not. He took
a few years of a lot of mistakes and honestly

(01:11:56):
give you know, the illustrious Mike d all the credit
in the world for sticking with him through the rough years.
Well really it was Peter Sidley. But nonetheless, now I
would say he's I would say that I would fucking
hate him not to be the pod raised GM because
that means he's working for someone else's front office, and

(01:12:19):
that's big time trouble for us, big time trouble for us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
So very very happy to have him here. Okay, let's
wrap up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Sorry, segue Man, I speed bumped it because I'm like,
did they really say that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
I hadn't heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
As a season ticket member, you're always waiting for the
here comes the letter from group. Can't wait because what
it's meant for the last three years is that, you know,
ticket prices are going to go up. I guess they
had the one year, the disappointing year that they didn't
raise ticket prices, and they've They've raised it every other year,

(01:12:57):
and they did. And you know, mine personally went up
an average for the two of us of eighty dollars
a month. So we're now into small car payment territory
for the seats that we have. Other people spend a
lot more for a lot better seats. I like my seats,

(01:13:17):
but nonetheless, I cannot truly complain when I see the
club has sold out every game but like six for
them to believe that they could charge a slightly higher
price point for the product that they are offering.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
And I'm sure they can. I'm sure they can.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
And the longer this team keeps winning, and the longer
this Crest keeps going, I expect the prices to go up.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
So I have to say I do not have a
degree in economics. I do not have any study in
economics other than I got a five on my ape
contests in high school. So suck on that. And I
will just go so far as to say, right now,
on a Padres dot com, I can still buy a
Padres on deck membership weightlist, which means I can pay

(01:14:15):
one hundred dollars for the right to be on the
wait list to get a season ticket. And look, I
don't live in San Diego right now, I go to
games when I can. I have to imagine if I
was a season ticket holder, I would be annoyed. And
I get it, and I want to have I want
to This is not a lack of empathy for those folks,

(01:14:37):
but just simple economics. The Padre should continue raising season
ticket prices until there's not a waitlist. Like that's like,
that's that's business. That's not I'm not trying to say
that they should because that's a good way to treat
a fan base, Like I don't think that that's a
good way to treat a fan base. And I think
baseball is about a region. It's a regional sport and

(01:15:00):
it's about fostering lifelong stuff. And so this is just
that sort of balancing you know, sports and commerce and
like where we're at and how do we fuel this
operation that's so fun. But like you said, Craig, like
it is just kind of supplying demands in a way,
and people still want to be season ticket holders and
they're willing to pay a higher price, and who are

(01:15:20):
the Padres to say no to that money? And I,
you know, I this is the virtuous cycle that Peter
Seidler kind of talked about in terms of, like you
spend money. Yes, people want to spend money on your product,
and that's just kind of what happens. And so I
really feel for people, and I really hope people aren't
getting priced out of season tickets like that. Obviously they

(01:15:42):
are a tragedy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
You know, it's happening. It's definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah, of course it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
But that's a broader baseball that's a broader fault of
Major League Baseball as well. You know, it's not limited
to the Padres.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Yeah right, I mean that's a broader economics story overall period.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
One hundred percent. And I mean I'm just speaking for myself.
I'm not going to Dodgers Padres on Friday when the
Dog when the Padres are in Los Angeles, because the
tickets are too expensive. I'm just I'm just not gonna
do it. It's one hundred and sixty dollars for me
just to get in the door. And that doesn't include
parking at Chavezravine, which socks, doesn't include food, it doesn't
include any of that stuff. That's to sit in the

(01:16:20):
top deck at Dodger Stadium, which are shitty seats. And
by the way, I'm gonna get fucking hackled the whole time.
So I'm not gonna do that. And that's a bummer
because I want to go see my team play in person.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
But also I get it, like that's just that's what
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
And the Dodgers just won a World Series last year
and that's the nature of it. And La is a
high cost of living city and so is San Diego,
and so you know, I don't love it, but it
is what it is. And uh, the Padres, if they're
going to continue spending money on the team, which I'm
sure you know the moment they stop spending money on
the team, all come in and be like this is greed.

(01:16:56):
This is this is ridiculous. But they're still spending money,
so I you know, I yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
They're over the second threshold. They didn't trade Cease, they
didn't trade Suarez, they didn't trade off Jake cronin Worth
for a double A you know, infielder and said that, no,
we're being the fiscally prudent thing. No, they are spending money.
They'll never spend as much as Peter did in twenty
twenty three. It's never going to happen again until inflation

(01:17:26):
raises it to the point where you know, everyone is spending.
You know, everyone is spending up to that number. I'm
sure someday they'll have a two hundred and seventy five
million dollars payroll, but it'll come at a time when
the average payroll is higher than it is today. But nonetheless,
I cannot fault them. I think the one thing people

(01:17:49):
didn't love in the email, which was not tone deaf,
it was just group tone, you know, I mean, like
Groupner's emails, which I'm sure he doesn't write, or maybe
he does, I don't know, but it's always kind of
got that I don't know, you feel like oil stripping
off it you know. But the part about all of

(01:18:12):
the significant upgrades we have made to Petco Park and
continue to make the pet Co Park, and the higher
cost of you know, our costs to San Diego, we've
had to raise the prices. Well, here's where it does
start to get a little bit interesting to me. First off,

(01:18:35):
just as a bullshit buster for anyone who doesn't know,
the podres have to pay a certain amount to the
city every year, and that gets reduced by, among other things,
when they do renovations on their property. That's something that
they can under that they can write off to the cost.

(01:18:56):
So every time the padres are doing that, they're there's
a reason behind it. It's not just to keep the
place fresh because that's a mandate. It's because they're trying
to keep that number down and they can do it
every year. LA does it every year. Teams do it
every year. When you start playing this game, so you know,
I get that. I would recommend folks go check out

(01:19:20):
the latest Voice of San Diego podcast because Scott Lewis
and friends had a good discussion about this. The thing
that I really think is interesting. So the city announced
that for certain pay meters in downtown, they are changing
from their normal thing, which is like two fifty an

(01:19:42):
hour and then free after six to ten dollars an hour,
and it continues until four hours after a Padres game
on Padres game days, so a surge pricing, which is
a four x.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Pricing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Now, before everybody gets completely in equiver about this, I'd
like to know, from practicality's sake, hands up, how many
people go to the game to street park in meters
using meters for street parking specifically, not parkade, not street parking,

(01:20:27):
not trolley, not tailgate lot, but actually finding meters. I
would suggest it's a minute number. It's never zero, it's
always as many as are available.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
But it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
A couple three hundred people, maybe five hundred people.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
Anyone who goes down there seeking a meter.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
It's crazy because.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
It's just it's just the reason that they're all taken up.
I mean, this is another supply and demand thing that
we're talking about. I would just argue that as a city,
as a government, their job is not to profit. The
reason that the meters are ten dollars an hour is
because twenty years ago they completely fucked up the pension
in the city of San Diego. And the city's been

(01:21:17):
paying for it ever since. Like that's like you can
go listen to bolts and you want to hear more
about that. But like that's that's what this is. Like
most cities don't have to to try and make money.
I mean, some cities certainly choose to, but most cities
don't have to try and profit, you know, in this
way on metered parking. Uh, And so that's that's all

(01:21:39):
that this is. This is another way to try and
just say, oh, we're shoring up some some budget shortfall
that we've had year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
It's gonna suck. Yeah, if it drives up the prices
on parkade and park it at all those and it
almost certainly will. And that's science. I know that. And
like I hope they upgrade, they up how many how
many trolleys they have going on game days as a
result of this, Like even if it's five hundred spots,

(01:22:07):
that's what one full trolley maybe two?

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Well, and then there's the unintended consequence, which is somebody
who has a haircut appointment at a downtown salon for
a Thursday at five pm, and now the parking for
them just went stupid up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
And that's eight.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Four hours after the game ends. That's the thing that's shitty, Like,
just make it till eight o'clock, like pocket your twenty
five dollars or whatever. It would be Like, I just
don't like that. And that was the thing I didn't
know about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Yeah, and it does suck.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
And you know, on one level, I can argue that
these the city owns these things, and they were probably
not charging anywhere is close to market, you know. So
I do understand that there used to be this thing
called like civic good, which, by the way, for the

(01:23:06):
younger kids, this actually used to be a bedrock fundamental concept.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Of the American dream, uh was for the civic good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
But instead now we want to run our governments like businesses,
which means running for profit, which is wild. But regardless,
here's the here's the thing that I think is interesting
from a horse race standpoint. The padres weren't consulted on
this parking meter race, and they raised a little bit

(01:23:37):
of a stink. And then and this is something that
VOSD reported on. They had had they have subsequently commissioned
a survey that they did. They did a little you know,
paid survey stuff where the questions were about the Padres
as political actors, like how would you feel if the

(01:23:57):
Padres backed an initiative or back an initiative, or spoke
in favor of city councilor spoke against city Councilor how
would you feel if the Padres endorsed a candidate?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
And would that make you more or.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Less likely to attend a Padres game going forward? So
San Diego Padres recognized their power position within downtown San
Diego and is a driver of commerce and interest, and
now might be a little bit more willing to flex
their muscles than they have ever since prop C basically,

(01:24:32):
ever since they got what they wanted and then they
got out from under the Henderson lawsuits and got the
place built. Since then, it's been smooth sailing essentially, but
maybe a little bit more willing now with all these
wins and sellouts to start flexing them muscles just a
little little bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
It's such an interesting question. It's like, how much do
you respect our opinion? Everybody? Do you really do you
want to get in nine behind us? We're ready to
march a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Yeah, that's really it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
It's like, what do you think if.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
The daughter Silla but elections.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Come on in to our side, to our tent, to
our side of voting. Yeah. Interesting thought.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
I'm not happy about any of these things, and I
don't mean to sound dismissive about any of these things,
but I just I think the thing that's stuck in
my craw is that I saw somebody who I know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Through a different walk of.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Life but still sports posting about this going well, I'll
never go to a Padres game again.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
Okay, buddy, this is just too much.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
And I'm like, come on, come on, get with the program,
give me a break, you know, like, yeah, what are
the Padres supposed to cut prices when they've had all
but six games sold out and a wait list?

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Like as Rafie said, that's ridiculous. Should the city Well, yes,
the city should.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
But if they're a little behind and they want to
make some money, this way, it's gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
You know, it's gonna work. People are gonna pay it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
They're not gonna be happy, but they're not gonna give
up the parking spot and keep driving around.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
It's also not gonna fix the budget crisis, by the way,
like not gonna fix the mention. Like what I'm Okay,
So I'm listening to a podcast called Revolutions, which is
the history of different revolutions throughout history, and I just listen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
To the episode Oh here we Go.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
I just listened to the episode.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
About the Boston Tea Party and what if Padres fans
really want to make a difference, they can do that.
But the Boston Tea Party people do they do a
false flag. They dress up like a bunch of Dodgers
fans and they go downtown and they saw all the
street meters off of the meters on K Street and
six and everything, and they say do this and then
and then, oh my god, these Dodgers fans ruined all

(01:27:01):
these street meters. I guess we have free parking down here.
I'm throwing them all off.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
The Star of India exactly, just to change the quarters,
shaking out from the street meters and just checking them
off into the harbor. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Too bad you said it into a mic, because now you're.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Back to its roots.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
If there happens to be a false flag operation of
Dodgers fans on street meters in downtown San Diego, then okay,
maybe that will come back to me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Who's I'm happying.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Glad you're the pragmatic legal mind behind our operation here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Ray, your responsibility has guided us to goods places once again.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
Yeah all right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
That puts a tag on this episode of podres hots up.
If you made it to the end watching on YouTube,
thank you so much. If you haven't hit the thumbs
up yet, I'm sure the math isn't one to one,
please give us that thumbs up on the way out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
And group therapy on Thursday. Until next time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
For Chris read Rafie Canter, I'm Craig elstin Go padres

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