Padres Get Cooked (w/ Chef Drew Deckman!)

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did yours go? Minds?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
We lost it mine.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
We we also lost in mine, but mine was fantastic.
We had fifteen people and Chris was sorely missed that
were took over a bar in the central part of
Los Angeles and it was really kind of bizarro world
in some ways because we uh, like it was like
an La bar but like the Padres, like anytime the
Padres scored like we did, say yeay, hooray, Like I

(01:50):
think that the kitchen staff were non non PlusD uh
but uh but we were having a great time out front,
so uh.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
And that was all discord people.

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It's just it's It's one of my great pleasures is
getting to meet people in person. They'll tell me their
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for yourself. Welcome to the padres Hot tub everybody, freg Elston,

(02:46):
Chris read Rafie Canter recording on Sunday, August seventeenth, The
Padres still exists, double checked. Franchise has not been contracted.
On their way back to San Diego from La Deep Breaths, Calming,
Deep Breaths, the Padres did get swept by the La

(03:07):
Dodgers in Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
No, No, you described the perfect.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Breathing over here, Craig.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
I'm just you know, in for four seconds, hold for seven,
out for eight. Look I said this where we hit record.
Say it again on the show, you know. July second, third,
something like that. Dodgers had a nine game lead in
the National League West. And if you told me in
six weeks that the Padres would have cut that lead

(03:40):
down to two games, I would have been elated, absolutely elated,
because it would have meant that they were playing really poorly,
which they were, and that we were playing really well, which.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
We were and to a certain extent still are.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
If you're not looking in the in the into the
last three days and you're taking a little bit more
of a bigger picture sample. So I don't enjoy watching
these series generally, but I think on the whole Podters
are in a great place, and they're about to return
home to face a team that they've done very well
against this year, and I think there's a lot of
reason to be very optimistic about what's going on, Chris Fellas.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
We will get into it, but I just want to
quote two very smart dudes who say this saying all
the time, and I don't necessarily always agree with it,
but today I just want to drink it up, and
that is baseball is stupid and no one should watch.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
You know, it's funny that you bring that up, Chris,
that you'd like to drink that up. Baseball is stupid
and no one should watch because it just so happens.
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Speaker 3 (05:28):
You looked at the mug full of coffee cream and
Irish whiskey.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yes, at six fifteen in the morning, and you say
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not watching right now, and that makes me smarter. So
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(06:17):
had a lot to say about this. Patre sweet to
the Dodgers. Now we've got and I think it's kind
of a perfect timing as it actually worked out.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
We are thrilled.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
On today's show, after we talk about this crap series,
we're going to be joined by a truemover and shaker
in the culinary industry, Drew Deckman, who has a restaurant
in North Park, thirty one thirty one, who has a
seafood stand at the ballast Point area in Petco Park.
He's won six Michelin Stars I believe is what I read.

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He's won two Green Michelins. He has a couple of
restaurants down in Cabo that he's run for about thirteen
years that are incredible. He's got his own television show.
This guy is a true celebrity chef, like he's a
star chef, but he's also a Podres fan. He's also
incredibly humble. We recorded that interview before we did this part,

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so I can guarantee you it's an incredible chat. Please
stay with us past the Podres Dodgers and listen to
Drew Deckman. And if you were mad about the weekend,
I think you'll feel a lot better just checking out
a fascinating person's very very interesting story which is coming
up at the end of this show, so please stay tuned.
Now here's what I want to say. Remember what was

(07:35):
on the cover Chris of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
Do you remember what it said right there on the cover?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Oh boy, something about a towel.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Well that's inside, come on. No, But on the cover big.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Words don't panic, says don't panic.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, don't panic. And I'd like to refer to that cover.
This is the time you should judge the book by
the cover.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Don't panic.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Okay, the Padres are still a really good team. The
Padres are still going to make the playoffs, and they
have the ability to compete in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
They have a path to win the World Series.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
You should not judge a team at its best because
you're going to look like a fool. And we got
the chance to do a group therapy right after the
Padres swept San Francisco, as the Dodgers had been swept
in Anaheim, sitting on an off day in a one
game lead, where we probably really kind of sounded the
fool and we were trying not to We were really trying. Yeah,

(08:40):
well we were trying not like.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
This got called the most important twelve games in Padre's
history on the show. And what I'm worried about is
that same exact kind of mindset infected the Padres. And
I think we saw that a club go into Los
Angeles and play itself completely out of one game and

(09:03):
get out played in the other one. So like, these
games are an August boys, And just on your point
that you're making today, Craig, don't panic like this. These
are regular season games in August. The Padres have a
shitload of season in front of them. Are these games
that could potentially decide the division? Rays Like maybe possibly,

(09:25):
we have no freaking idea. We don't know where things
are going to go from now on. So like, you
can bet your ass that the Padres like really attach
themselves to narratives this week, and they came in and
it bit them in the ass. And you know, I
thought we saw a lot of interesting things from the

(09:45):
Padres today. We saw Jacob Cronimworth get sat down for
Jose Glacias in a moment that saw Jose Glacias come
through with an RBI fielder's choice, you know, put the
ball and play. Did his job. I think we saw
Mike Shilt show us another evolution in his bullpen usage
with Robert Turoz coming into the eighth. That may not

(10:08):
have worked out quite how we won, but like as
we talked about earlier, Craig, we feel very strongly that
was umpire assisted. So like, absolutely, don't panic, don't trick
yourself into thinking these games are more important than they are.
But let's really hope that the Padres coming up to
LA I saw their buses by the way, guys, I
saw the Charter bus. I know it was them. It

(10:29):
was coming up to Universal City as I was going
into class. Gosh, was it Thursday morning or maybe it
was Friday morning, can't quite recall, but like, I know
it was the team. And you can bet your ass
that getting their teeth kicked in in Dodger Stadium is
gonna feel bad in a way that I think they

(10:50):
might have actually needed. So not gonna say this was good.
This was not fun. This was one of the worst
weekends I've had in quite some time. But at the
end of it, two games back, two games back, n
O West in the Wild Card firmly goal incites this
team is better than it was a few weeks ago,

(11:11):
Ramon Loriano like he's ours next year, two boys, like
we got an outfield. We got an outfield for a
long time, and I think this team has shown that
it can do damage and uh, you know, maybe getting
punched now was was what they needed.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well, yeah, maybe let's let's dig in a little more.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
This.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
This was the last part I was gonna make, just
kind of playing off that, like maybe the Padre maybe
the Padres players are mad that they got kicked in
the teeth. I heard at Jake cronin Worth interview this
morning where he said, listen, we got to play better,
you know, coming off of the day before. I want
to hear that from the team. I'm sure we're going
to hear some of that stuff, uh later on. But
one thing to always remember is that the players are

(11:59):
never as mat about this as you are, like other
than the elimination game, like they're because there's always that
belief that they can do better than this. So while
we're out here making grand proclamations or fans are on
Twitter or wherever, the players on that bus back were
just like, let's go kick San Francisco's ass on Monday,

(12:21):
and it's up to the coaches to really be the
ones that plot and plan and strategize, you know, the
front office that talk about making adjustments, uh, so on
and so forth. Now, so don't panic, don't panic, but
but you can you can panic out. You can't panic
about a couple of things. And and one thing that

(12:43):
I think, especially coming off the show we did Thursday
and listen, we did the very best we could to
stop from just like sniffing all the helium and floating
to the roof. But like the Dodgers are in the
Padres heads all the.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Way, they're all the way in.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
We see a completely different San Diego team playing LA
than we do playing any other team in baseball. And
we've seen the Padres lose to the Mariners and the
Blue Jays, you know, we've seen the Padres battle the
Cubs and the Phillies. You know, we've seen them play
the best teams in baseball. But it's different when it's LA.

(13:25):
It's just different. Some of our guys straight no show
these series, and we get the most bafflingly bad performances,
specifically against LA. We're two and eight against the Dodgers,
and I think it's time for LA for San Diego

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fans to just just get it into your heads, like
LA is the team that if we face them, they're
the favorite every time, forever, forever, and every once a
decade or once in a while when we go head
to head in a in a critical situation, san Diego prevail.

(14:09):
And maybe the twenty thirties will be different when when
LA's paying you know, one hundred and fifty million dollars
a year to players who are retired. You know, things
eventually will change. But this is the way of life
right now. They've paid five hundred million for their team,
and they work very hard to beat San Diego, and
we've let them in our heads all the way. So

(14:29):
it's it just we need to stop doing this. Fuck LA, man,
they fucking suck. We're better than them, We're so much
more complete. It's just a matter of time. If any
respect to them is just Dodger Lovin Like, no, they're
They're supposed to win the World Series this year, last year,

(14:51):
next year, twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, and twenty
twenty nine. They're supposed to win six World Series in
a row. Based on the nature of the game. They're
not gonna they're not gonna they will not do that,
but that's what they're supposed to do. So let's just
stop disrespecting the team. Like, this is the team that

(15:12):
we have to beat, and we've gone to and eight.
We can't beat them. Could we beat them in another series, sure,
but this is where it is now. We don't play
well against them. It's not just that we lose. We
don't play well. And I feel like this is a
mountain that needs to be overcome with a lot of things.
And the first is looking in the mirror and saying

(15:33):
it's not all bullshit. When they go eight and two
against us, they're beating us.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
They're beating us, And like, look, we'll be fair that
we won the season series against them last year, but
then we lost in the NLTS. Want it really counted,
you know last year as well, and the reverse could
be true this year. Or we could get demolished in
the season series and then end up with beating them
in the NLDS or NLCS, just like happened in twenty
twenty two. By the way, Like all these are possible,

(16:01):
but I think it's worth saying, and maybe this is
where we can start to transition to talking about the
games themselves, but you know, you were talking about Craig
that the Dodgers are in our heads. I can't speak
for every Padre, but I feel like there are two
or three Padres in my mind too. There certainly, or

(16:21):
at least playing in Los Angeles is certainly in their heads.
And I think it should be no surprised that I
nominate Manny Machado and Dylan Ceese as those two people.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Top of my mind, I.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Would maybe say Toddy, but I think Toddy's sort of
in the same boat that he's been in a lot
of this season, just in the sense of like we're
used to seeing him hit balls literally out out of
Dodger Stadium, and I think his power outage that's been
accompanying him this year, which is not new for twenty
twenty five, felt a little bit more pronounced this series,

(16:59):
especially as for instance, on Sunday's game, the Dodgers score
five runs, all five of them are from home runs.
The Padres and the entire series score two runs from
home runs, both of them solo shots from Ramon Loreano,
who was the only guy who was able to hit
to put the ball over the fence for San Diego.
It's the entire three game series.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
And so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
I Chris, I want to get you in here too,
and the Craig I want to eventually get you back
because I want to hear you talk about Dylanc's because
I know you got something good. But Chris, how, how
does the in the headsness of the Dodgers for the
Padres feel?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
You know, it's like that, you know, the art of
war type thing, right, like it's good to know your enemy,
but it's much better to know yourself. And the Padres
didn't feel like they played within themselves at all the series.
And we'll talk about Saturday, but Saturday was a perfect
example of it. You know, just kind of like this manic,

(17:58):
frenetic action on the Bay's Pass, just giving away outs
left and right in a way that took them out
of the game completely. And that's all it is, like,
get we throw the little brother thing out there. We
hear that a lot and like, yeah, sorry, guys. We
were a PCL team until nineteen sixty nine. The Dodgers

(18:21):
were the Brooklyn Dodgers. They have a storied history. Like
you know, if you're gonna make that comparison, it doesn't
always have to be completely detrimental like it. Sometimes it's
just kind of based in a thing, and you know,
the team, the team needs to know itself and not

(18:41):
get away from that when they walk into Dodger Stadium
because they're going back. I'll say it right now.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I know.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I know the playoff structure is aligned in a way
that if they get the wild card, maybe they won't
have to do it. But I feel like that's where
the road goes, and are going to have to They're
gonna have to go up there again.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Maybe not maybe not. Uh And and well, the one
other thing I just wanted to make sure that we
put out there because we're going to get into these
individual games and then we're going to get out of
this is that Michael King went on the injured list
with a knee inflammation that he himself has said was
a direct result of him trying to ramp up too

(19:24):
fast and and get over his own skis in getting
back they hope again. You know, once again Michael King
is on the injured list, and once again it's not
an elbow or shoulder problems. We're supposed to feel okay
about it, but you know, he is going to miss
more time and that's not great.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
And also Jackson Merrill twisted his ankle Friday night getting
you know, swinging against Diaz and then he had to
leave the game today and he may miss the Giant series.
You know, I don't know that, but but he tweaked
his ankle. He played like crap Saturday, and he struck
out twice today and he couldn't push off that ankle

(20:07):
and then he gingerly walked away and then they took
him out of the game. So this is actually now
a situation the Padres are so much better prepared to
overcome than they were in the past, because now they
can put Gavin Sheets in the lineup, just put Loreano
in center field and be fine and actually be fine.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
And that's and you know, maybe Craig maybe even be better.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Maybe even yeah, yeah, maybe even be a little bit
better as a result. So we're gonna survive by that.
But that that's something real that happened this week outside
the results, and the last thing I will say, and
I don't think this is dooming. I just think this
is realistically reading the road. The Padres are now two
games back. They lost no ground this week. They started

(20:55):
the week two games back, they finished the week two
games back. It sucks because they went up three and
down three in the same week. So we were on
the roller coaster there, Sorry Mike Shield, but in the
end we wound up back in the same place we
were before.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
If either LA or San Diego.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Gets out of next weekend three or more games ahead,
that team is going to win the NLS and there's
no reason to worry about it the rest of the
way because both teams play near identical cupcake schedules in
the month of September. So the idea that you're going
to catch LA if you're four down and they're playing

(21:36):
Colorado seven times and all the other teams that they.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Play equally equally.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
The idea that the Podres go on a crazy run
next week and wind up three games ahead of LA,
and that the Dodgers are going to catch us when
we get to play cupcakes down the stretch. I find
both equally implausible. So while this weekend is an killer,
getting killed, next weekend probably kills the West, and that

(22:04):
could probably be fine. That could probably be just fine
for the San Diego Padres.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
But uh, because.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Chris, you can you can win it this year without
ever facing the Dodgers. You can grin it this year.
Let's just say the Padres finished fourth like they did
last year. Okay, let's just say the Padres finished fourth
like they did last year. Well, they're going to they're
gonna hot if they finish fourth, They're gonna host the

(22:35):
Chicago Cubs in a three game series and play through
the nl Central. There's an outside chance that the Cubs
could fade to six and that the Mets could play in. Okay,
the Mets or the Cubs, though, are teams that you
feel okay about the Padres facing in a three game series,

(22:58):
and then if you want, if you won that series,
unless they've got a twelve game losing streak in him.
In September, you're facing the Brewers. You are going to Milwaukee. Okay,
the road to the NLCS would go entirely through the Central.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
So what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
That means LA would play probably Philly in the NLDS.
Philly could knock off LA while you beat the Brewers,
and then you play the Phillies in the NLCS, just
like twenty twenty two, except this time they've got the
home field advantage. But nonetheless don't even see LA until

(23:46):
either an NLCS or not at all along the way.
And that could be a path where the Padres go
to the World Series and win. And is anyone going
to go, oh, well, there wasn't that kid, because you
didn't play the doll j is. Yes, some people in
LA will say that they'll be very better, but we
won't give a shit.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
We'll be wiping champagne out of our hair.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Well, the point of it is, I was just going
to say, is another outcome possibility situation. The Dodgers in
the Phillies have identical seventy one and fifty three records
right now, there's a chance that the Phillies overtake the
Dodgers in the Grand National League standings and the Dodgers
as the third best division winning team. If they win
the Vision have to play in the Wildcard Series and

(24:31):
have to host a best of three against let's say
the Mets. And that's not as a that's a coin flip.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
And then that's exactly what I was going to get
at your pods above. Replacement partner and fantastic Discord contributor
laid out a great you know, I don't know what
it was. It was some sort of article about playoff
odds and about how in NBA the playoffs the good

(25:02):
teams win it. You know, the teams that are the
best on paper, they tend to have that play out exactly.
Add it as it is, and Major League Baseball has
the most chaotic, the most random sport of all the
major sports. Therefore it's playoffs are the most chaotic and
the most random. This Padres team is good, Folks, like

(25:26):
whether they go ahead.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
I was just gonna say, I know the article well,
and it's the basis behind it is that basically in
the NBA, NBA typically plays best of seven playoff series
and typically eighty percent of the time the higher seed
advances right. And that's done in best of sevens in
the NBA. In order to reach the same level of
certainty with Major League Baseball, you'd have to play a

(25:48):
best of fifty five series.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I don't think it's on the table too much.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
I don't think so as much as many you would
love to expand the playoffs to that level.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
Yeah, I interrupt you, Chris, I just wanted to give
further content.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
No, like you have specifics like, I appreciate it. Man, like,
whatever scenario comes our way, the Padres are going to
be who they are and they have a month and
a half to figure it out. Not a month and
a half, but a month and a quarter to figure
themselves out, have things come together, do some of the

(26:22):
smart shit we saw this series, Crona Worth having, get
sat down, Ryan O'Hearn, playing a whole lot more. And
you know, it's all in front of them. Alse they
have to do is play their ball and it's gonna go. Okay.
Now let's talk about the not okay.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
The not playing the ball. Just watch yeah. That they
just did Friday was a competitive, solid Major League baseball game.
The Padres had some of the best strategy, even though
it's very rudimentary and you know, you could argue like
seven years old strategy. Nonetheless, they had the best strategy
that they could have possibly put out there, given that

(27:00):
they didn't have Michael King.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
They did the ideal thing. They started Wandy Perolta. They
let Wandy Perolta face the one, two, three, four in
the LA lineup, and then they walked in Strandy Vasquez
and asked him to dig his way through the fifth inning,
and he did. And if Manny Machado catches a popped
up bunt that I think he at least catches seven

(27:25):
out of ten times, even though it's a diving play.
The potteries probably win on Friday.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Can I can I offer an alternative as well.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Sure, it's not just that he he didn't catch the ball.
If he plays it on a bounce, the runners have
to respect that it could be a pop fly out
and they have to stay home and you're probably going
to get at least one runner on a force out.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
So it wasn't just that the ball dropped. It's that
the ball dropped and kicked away and he tried to
go for the all Star play and it didn't have
and that was the difference in the game.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, but Vasquez actually went strandy from there. He got
outs from Otani and Bets, and yeah, they scored runs.
But it could have been a blow up inning and
it wasn't. And in the end, LA's pitching was too good.
Kershaw kept the Padres off balance. Even though there were
moment moments throughout his six innings where you're like, ooh,

(28:24):
that pitch wasn't good and you were just waiting for
them to hammer him. They never did. He kept them
off balance like Hall of Famer Clayton Kershaw can do.
And the bullpen that all we heard through the month
of August was just the worst piece of shit in baseball.
Shut the Padres down for the most part. Now they
had a chance, and they got the bases loaded for

(28:44):
the heart of their order, and Luisa Ryes got a
flyout that scored a run. And Manny Machado swung at
the first pitch and flew out to you know, shallow
left field.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
It's very very fat first pitch. He was a sweeper
right down the middle, so.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
That he did not it because Manny's timing is off. Yeah,
you know, and so you know, they lose that game,
and you leave that game, and they had a chance
with the you know, time run on base winning run
at the plate in the ninth inning, you said, okay, okay,
we dropped that one. We lot you know, we didn't
even have king to start the game. Tip to cap,

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move on, and the Potterys moved on to Saturday and
played their worst game with twenty twenty five on Saturday.
Saturday reminded me of when you get the Division three
high school team that's won every game in the league,
and then they go play the Division one rival, you know,
for the last home game of the season, that's got

(29:42):
a student body two thousand larger, and you just get
your ass handed to you and you look like idiots,
and it's like, oh, we don't belong in the field
with them. That's the potteris didn't belong in the field
with the Dodgers. On Saturday, I've never been more mad
this year than to see the Pod start a game single, double, out, single,

(30:07):
and before the first five batters got hits and nobody
scored single, double, single, out, single, and nobody scored because
three straight guys challenged Will Smith and three straight guys
get gunned out and Blake is out here in his
first ever start against San Diego, ready to melt down,
ready to give up seven to eight hits in an inning,

(30:29):
and the Padres just running, just run themselves, run themselves
out of the innings both one and two. And then
on the other side, Dylan Sees showing his ass or
was it his face, I don't remember, because Dylan Cees
once again showed you in a game against La you

(30:50):
just literally can't put him on the field.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
You can't put him on.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
The field because he destroyed the San Diego Padres. Walk
walk walk, walk, six walks, four walks in the first inning.
Absolute disaster class that thirty seven pitches. Yeah, honestly a game.
That a game that I truly feel this. The coaches,

(31:15):
the front office, and the players of the San Diego
Padres should have been uniformly embarrassed by the way they
performed in that game. And to fall behind and then
just die unlike today, fall behind and die and just
twenty twenty three, it just put it in the chiller
and send it out.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Honestly, to me, number.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
One on the list. Maybe it's recency biased, but the
worst game of the year.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I would normally accuse you of that, but that's how
I felt, too, dude, Like just with the base running mistakes,
the kind of manic energy of it. And then you know,
Dylan sees you know, it's like the Mic Burbigley U
or maybe it's Bill Burr. They talk about having a
dog and like the dog looks angry and stressed out

(32:07):
and and like it his freak data every noise, and
then you reach out to Pen You're like, oh, I
hope this dog doesn't do what he's about to do
because we all we all see it, and he did it,
and just a frustrating I am I have I would
normally fight you on the hyperbole, youre the recency bias
of it, but no man, with the stakes that that

(32:29):
were on that game, you know, they Padres had a
decent enough chance to draw even and instead they get
shut out and just completely all the energy out of
the dugout in the first inning.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Well I feel like part of that too. It's a
couple of things.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
One, you've got Snell going up against his former team
and the Padres, you know, and Craig, this was something
you had talked about, was like, theoretically, if there's any
team that you're any picture that the Padre should be
able to know decently, it's Blake Snell. And I think
one of the things that the Padres remembered very well
from when Blake Snell was on their team was that
he wasn't particularly adept at holding runners on and so
they're like, we're gonna run on Blake Snell. We're gonna

(33:10):
make them pay for this clear weakness. And it was
a kind of fool me once, fo me twice, fully
three times, sort of situation of like it's not really
an issue right now, and I mean, look, Will Smith
made three unbelievable throws, Like I don't want to take
that away from him. Sometimes you just get beat. But
clearly that theory of the game wasn't necessarily working.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
And yeah, just.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
In terms of like it being like the worst game
and maybe going back to our prior conversation about it
being in the in the Padre's head, to me, what
the what the stealing kind of smelled of was also
what some of the buntings smelled of earlier in the season,
which was we can't hit home runs, Like we're not
hitting homers right now, and so we got to get
guys over to try and to try and score some

(33:54):
runs because the Dodgers they can hit home runs.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
They can hit home runs in this ballpark.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
So that coming on the heels of having lost the
night before and now you're tied in the standings with
the Dodgers and they're just it felt a little, uh,
it felt a little desperation, you know, that they were playing,
that they were they were scrambling the whole weekend, like
they just kind of felt like they were scrambling.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
And manic it's manic.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Mannick is a really good, really good, uh descriptor, which
is not how they've been playing, not only the last
two weeks, since the two and a half weeks since
the deadline, but really for I'd say since the All
Star break.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, we had even said some things, you know, I
remember us talking about it earlier in the week, like
we feel so much better about the Padres going into
LA or playing these series because of the experience they
had last year, because of the disappointment and the heartbreak
that they had, and this should be a more mature
team that has learned so much from that and can
respond to it. Nope, Nope, they haven't learned one fucking lesson,

(34:55):
not one, not one lesson, not one at all. So
that part of it a real bummer now Sunday, you know,
And we'll talk a little more about Dylan in a
second Sunday. You know, guys, I'm gonna just say this,
there's times I'm watching you Darvish right now, and I

(35:15):
really feel like I'm watching the last starts of his career.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't agree.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I hope you're right. I hope you're right and I'm wrong,
But the way he's changed his armslot, the way he
is reinventing. He's always a reinventor. But even when people
are asking about his age and that he goes, I
think my elbow feels older. I just think he's got

(35:40):
a major elbow injury coming up. And when that major
elbow injury occurs, I do not believe he's going to
choose to rehabilitate and to take a year and a
half and to come back at age forty two. Because
we've seen his gallantry, because we've already seen last year
when he had a private issue that he didn't he
asked the Padres to be put on the restricted list

(36:02):
and to stop being paid. I think he'll retire as
opposed to going through, you know, another Tommy John surgery
and trying to come out the other end. And that's
why I say that, why I'm not trying to be
like I think you was about to be blown out
of the league. I'm afraid that he is worth doing
everything he can right now to save whatever's left in

(36:25):
his elbow, and it's leading to these wild fluctuations where
today he first inning doesn't know where the ball's going,
gives up four runs, gives up two loud homers. And
then later in the game, you know, third fourth inning,
he's throwing crazy, loopy curveballs and he kind of finds
that touch and he shuts out La the rest of

(36:45):
the way. You know, he does something that Dylan sees
couldn't do coming back from a rough start. But I
just I'm a lot more worried about you than I
wish I was. And it's because of It's not because
of the results. It's because of the fact that he's
changing his angle to protect his elbow. Those are usually
the precursors to major injury.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah, just to kind of back up what you're saying, Craig,
when the Padres first acquired you, DARVISI in twenty twenty one,
he had an arm angle of forty six degrees. That
number has fallen precipitously, and twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three,
twenty twenty four, when he was pitching, that had dropped
to forty degrees. But now in twenty twenty five that

(37:28):
numbers all the way down to thirty five degrees, which
you know, so if you go from look back to
twenty twenty one, a forty six de three arm angle
to a thirty five degree arm angle, eleven degrees of drop.
It just in terms of where he's coming in more
from the side as supposed to coming over the top.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
It's different. It's very different he does.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
And I will I don't know if it's I'm not
gonna go so far as to say we're watching the
last starts of his career, but I will say, like
he looks like a different pitcher and like he's reinvented himself,
Like in terms of throwing different types of pitches. I mean,
it's very well documented that he's thrown you know, a
dozen types of different pitches over the course of his career.
But like, just to back up what you're saying, like

(38:09):
it does appear that he's he's adjusting out of necessity
instead of creativity, if that is fair to say.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
It is fair to say. And like I, you know, Craig,
I disagree, and that may just be like pure hopium.
You know that I'd got off the corner up here
in North Hollywood. He's a crafty dude, and the stuff,
isn't it Like if if he were throwing ninety one

(38:41):
ninety two, I would I would be in the car
with you. But you know, I feel like there's a
touch that he hasn't quite found yet that makes him
an elite guy as opposed to a four and a half,
you know, kind of average dude, considering he throws about
an average major league fastball these days, and he has

(39:03):
to get by on craft. And I'm still not quite
letting go that the consistency will come with a few
more starts this year. As for the retirement question in
the gallantry, like if it would be so incredibly rare,
but if there's one person in Major League Baseball who
would do it, it is you, Darvish, And you know,

(39:24):
that's one of the things that makes him one of
my favorite ballplayers. His contract is relatively front loaded, twenty
five million in twenty three, sixteen the next and then
this year is getting paid twenty one. It'll fall off
to sixteen next year and then fifteen the last two million.
So I don't know how many people leave thirty million

(39:46):
dollars on the table or you know, forty six million
dollars on the table if it gets hurt this year,
and there's always settlements and whatnot for that, but I
really hope not. I'll put it that way. If I
like vociferously disagree, I vociferously hope.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well, look me too. I don't want that to be
the case. I'm just keeping it one hundred and telling
you what I see, And what I see is somebody
who's both saying many times my elbow herds and missed
months with elbow inflammation and since has come back and
dramatically changed his armslot and it's changed his results. And

(40:26):
he had that one start where it was just clicking perfectly,
and then he had another where the you know, the
lid flew off, and then today the lid flew off,
and then it was back to okay. But honestly, you
darbish usually gives up a bunch of homers and loses
at Dodger Stadium. So like, that's not that shocking him
giving up a couple homers. I mean, I can think
of seven and three starts off the top of my

(40:48):
head that you darbish gave up at Dodger Stadium. Two
in the playoffs last year, three in a game I
went to a couple of years ago to today, or
you know, so he gives up bombs at Dodger Stadium.
Padres fought back today and looked like a big league
ball club today. You know, they scratched back from four
nothing down five finger death punch tried to do the job.

(41:10):
They were playing nine on ten a good part of
the game because the homeplate umpire. I mean that scorecard
tomorrow is going to be bright blue for La. It
was remarkable how the outside edge was just not a
strike for San Diego and yes a strike for La
and many had two walks, two walks taken away from him.

(41:32):
That next year he would have earned by just tapping
the top of his helmet and going to automatic ball
strike check system. He would have been rewarded both times
with ball four and a chance to walk. But with that,
god man, he was bad. He went over four with
runners in scoring position. He's followed his best month of

(41:52):
the year July with his worst month of the year
in August with an OPS now under six hundred for
the month. And that was part and parcel with San
Diego going two for fourteen today with runners in scoring position,
and they went three for twenty for the series. So

(42:14):
you really look at that and it's kind of that simple.
Padre's get a couple of hits today, they win. Padre's
get a big hit on Friday, they win, they still
lay the same disgusting egg on Saturday, and they win
the series two games to one, and they leave two
games up in first place. But Manny didn't get the

(42:35):
hits in this series, and he kept coming up in
the big spots and he failed literally every time.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
He's off man one for twelve this series with a
walk and a cot stealing. So half the times he
got on base the series, he got erased. Not what
he wanted to do, obviously, not his timing isn't there.
Because when Manny's timing's there, those sweepers over the middle
of the plate get crushed, you know, they get driven,

(43:03):
and that wasn't happening at all. They were getting lifted.
He was getting under it and coming into the series,
like I thought, the key was the padres backs and
if they you know, capitalize on twenty five percent more
of those opportunities, they at least walk away without a suite.
And that's what it was.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Yeah, I mean again, I just think it goes back
to and you know, this is kind of coming up
on the edge of what I want to say about
the team is like what you were saying earlier with
Craig about don't judge a team when they're at their
worst like we were. Really we were literally running into
out to try and get into scoring position from which
we could not score. Like yes, which is it's like

(43:46):
talk about a bigger exercise in futility than that. So
I don't think that that's it certainly hasn't been the
case of the Padres in the last month, and like,
I don't think that that's going to be the team
the rest of the season. So I'm not particularly worried
about that. What I am worried about and maybe this
can sort of pivot us and then we'll talk to
Drew and in just a second, is we got to

(44:07):
talk about the Arise versus O'Hearn thing, because this this
was something that was hammered across social media. It was
certainly a big topic in our discord, and I certainly
have my own opinions about it. But on Friday and Saturday,
Ryan O'Hearn did not start, and instead uh Luise Rise
played first base and started hitting in the two hole.

(44:31):
In both games, uh and O'Hearn did play first base. Today,
Arise was also played and hit in the two hole
as a designated hitter. Arise did have a good game.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
A really good game. Didn't have three hits in a steal.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Three hits in a steal, and I think two of
those hits were doubles.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
He's always going to eventually though. That's why you can't
go by like results every time. You have to make
a bigger picture.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Yeah, and if we're again, if we're just looking at
the bigger picture, Ryan o'hearen plays a better first base.
He is a one twenty nine WRC plus on the season.
Luise a Rise has a one o six WRC plus
on the season and plays a worse first base. The
Padres are choosing to make themselves twenty three percent worse
every day at in their lineup at first and at
first base by not be because of veteran stuff, which

(45:18):
is something I have been saying on the show four months.
This is the achilles heel of this organization is the
way the difference that they show not only two veterans
in general, but also like to like guys who have
just been on the team longer.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Teachers, stubborn adherence to teachers pets.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, okay, I agree that objectively, Ryan o'hearne should be
the every day first baseman, that Luis A Rise should
be the strong side platoon DH, but in certain situations
should just be the pinch hitter. Probably Luise A Rise's
performance this year is performance this year put up against

(46:01):
the players that he could be played against. If just
a Robot was coming in, would probably put him as
the pinch hitter off the bench or a left bat
overload situation.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
But that's just not going to happen. It's not going to.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Happen because the players and the front office and the
manager believe in the player Luisa Rise. They're not looking
at the performance. They're thinking about the next game. And
I guarantee you if you talk to Mike Shilt tomorrow
about this, he'd go, Hey, Cuz, do you see that
guy that against the LA Dodgers just hit a double

(46:39):
the left, a double, right, got a single, got two
stolen bases, and scored a run for the San Diego Padres.
I don't know how to answer the question because exactly
what you're trying to ask, you know, And he's not
completely wrong, because Fernando Tatis Junior believes that Luise Rise
needs to hit behind him, and Manny Machado believes that
Louise Ris needs to hit in front of him. We

(47:00):
don't know that.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I think you do.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
No, I don't think we do. I think Mike Schild
is the manager, and I would ask him. What I
would ask him, is is the problem on this team
getting people on base? Or is the problem on this
team being the worst in Major League Baseball at producing
via the home run? And the team did a lot
to address that at the trade deadline. Ramon than Loiano

(47:24):
hit two home runs the series. He's the only guy
to do it. Ryan O'Hearn has power that Luisa Rise
could only play with on MLB the Show, and that
is such that unlocks the team to a degree they
that they won't do unless they get those guys in

(47:46):
the lineup.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
What are we gonna do? Luisa Rise is gonna stay
as the first, as the number two hitter for this team.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
Like we're I don't think anyone's wrong in this situation.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Craig, you're right, like he is going to stay, and
Chris is right it's the wrong move, and like we
think we're all in agreement there. And I just think that,
like we need to acknowledge that as fans and as
people who talk about the team, because I know that
there are people who are clamoring for it to disgust
and I think we need to discuss it. And we
can also acknowledge they're not going to fucking do anything
about it, and they're not.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Now.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Look today they had a choice and they started Ohern
at first base. That decision Tree could continue to grow roots.
He could continue to start at first base more as
the year progresses. The playoffs are when you have to
make the most dire decisions. Luise has between now and

(48:43):
then to go forty for one hundred. He really does,
and the team still believes that he will. And today
he went three for four, so he's on his way.
You know, if he can go the next ninety six
and get thirty seven more, he'll be right there. So
that's their belief and they're going to roll him out
there to try and do it. But this is how
I'll just kind of thread the middle, agree with you

(49:05):
and get to the last thing, and then we're gonna
get to to Drew Deckman right now in in the
you know, darkest corner of Doomerville. If I was setting
up a little pop up shop, it would be the
three ways that the Padres could see their season die.
All right, the three ways the Padres could see their season.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Die, this is one of them.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
It could be down the road six playoff pop up,
still left field with bases loaded. Later that starting a
rise over O'Hearn wound up being the thing that cost
the Padres the playoffs. It could be that Manny Machado
turning tail in the biggest moments, making errors and striking

(49:54):
out with the bases loaded and going over playoff series
in situations where he gets boom, places like La and Milwaukee,
you know, where he gets in his head. That could
be a way that the Padres season died. If the
card falls on that edge. We could die there. Okay,
we could die if the card falls on the arise edge.
But there's a thousand ways that you can die. But

(50:17):
another one is if Dylan Cees just blows up your
season by starting him in a playoff game. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Two is.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Toe Musgrove coming back to pinch a bullpit inning and
giving up a Grand Slam. Yeah. Absolutely, there's another one.
But you know, the last thing for me is Sees
And we talked about it a little bit before, but
Dylan Sees should never start a playoff game for the
Padres unless it's an emergency situation, unless there's no one else.
He should be a reliever. And just like you guys

(50:52):
talking about Arise and O'Hearn, you should say to me, Craig,
that's not going to happen, and you're right, it won't happen.
He'll start a game two, or maybe a game three,
maybe a game three of three for San Diego, and
that's probably the game that we lose because Dylan Cees

(51:12):
can't win a big game. I'm sorry, I don't know
what GM is going to go out there and look
at this guy. I know of one that would go
out there and look at this guy and say, I'm
going to give him his market rate to come to
my team. And I believe we're still going to win

(51:34):
the World Series. That team is LA. And I do
believe Dylan Sez will be a Dodger next year, right
alongside Blake Snow. And I do believe that before his
arm breaks in LA and he goes to his first
time at John Surgery, that he will pitch a little
bit better. But you know what, I'd love to face
him in a playoff game because you know what he's
going to do, walk the bases, loaded ball, four ball,

(51:56):
eight ball, twelve ball, sixteen ball, twenty ball, twenty four.
He he could not throw one pitch on Saturday. That
was it was one of two places. It was either uncompetitive,
out of the zone, no chance to swing, or right
down the middle, right down Broadway because he had no

(52:17):
command of anything. He's got a career playoff era of now.
I think four starts and it's over. Ten okay, is
playoff era? And tod Saturday Night was a playoff game
tied in the NL West on the road. It was
every single aspect of what a playoff game, except it's

(52:38):
one of one sixty two instead of one of three
or one of five.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Learn your lesson San Diego.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Honestly, I could make a really bullshit you know, tell
me I'm wrong, set up the card table in the
town square argument that the Padres should release Dylan Cease
after game one sixty two because it would prevent them
from pitching him, and by not pitching him that gives
them a way better chance to win that game. I

(53:05):
would rather Nester Cortes start a must win playoff game
than Dylan Cees and and you will not talk me
off of this, this folding table, like I I would
trust JP sears with with an opener of David Morgan. Okay, over,
Dylan Sees in a must win game on.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
The road, you know where I think. I think you're right,
Dylan Cees is going to LA but I think he's
going to be a Los Angeles Angel.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Perfect And yeah, well then he yea, it will be perfect.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, Like this was a playoff game, just like last
September was a playoff game, and he went in and
did the same thing. Like I don't like you guys
have heard me talking.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
God, I was in line.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
I was in line for Kim Sliders at Dodger Stadium
and he walked me Gel Rojas and I will never
forget it in my life.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
And then two weeks later, you than me and.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Craig were watching him and fucking Game four and I
just like, and I know it's I can't square it
in my head because I know he's fucking great, but
I'll just never forget.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
And I ate that slider.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
And it didn't even taste good. It didn't taste good,
you guys, It was so terrible. It was so bad. Okay,
I'm speaking of food. I think we should talk to
a good chef.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
That's enough of that.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Let's hope we have a bunch of winning postgame shows,
uh this week as the Padres hosts the Giants and La.
But let's let's cleanse our palate and do something completely
different right now, All right, let's get right to it.
We are so excited to welcome to the show for
the first time Drew Deckman Michelin start decorated chef. He's

(54:54):
been everywhere, he's done everything. He's actually selling food at
Petcole Park this year. We're gonna talk about it. A
restaurant tour host, Holy cow, and now he has agreed
to slum with us on Podres Hot Tap. Drew, thank
you so much for your time.

Speaker 7 (55:11):
Thank you, Craig. I honored to be here. Absolutely just
I've been ever since we scheduled today, I've been just
looking forward to to spend in a few minutes with
three of you and just chatting all things food and baseball.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Well, let's get the baseball out of the way, because
we just talked a lot about it.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
It's been a great year for the San Diego Padres.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
It was a horrible, yeah, terrible weekend. Thank goodness, the
season doesn't actually end on August seventeenth, no matter what
the internet chat may say.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
You know, you could, you can be. You can spend
your entire life in the gym and still get the
flu and you feel like shit for seventy two hours.
So you know, I mean, that's the way I look
at this weekend. We're coming off a heck of a
run and and it's it's not over, you know it.
We went in a game up and came out to

(56:04):
two games down, and that's still better than a couple
of years ago, where we would have probably gone in
twelve games down and come out fifteen games down. So
I think we're we're we're tending upward.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Absolutely, Yeah, it's Chris.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
It's good to have perspective. I mean, it is only August.
The team if he would even asked us back in
let's say May or June, when Martin Maldonado was the
main backstop at times and you know, left hold left
field was as we called him. Hey Joe, you know,

(56:47):
there's a lot of things to feel good about the team,
and uh, you know, we're where we're we're going to
get the lines. Uh okay, I got to get right
to it. Chef Deckman, what is this about you wanting
to be one of the people that we would be

(57:08):
absolutely furious with today. And this isn't. This isn't this
isn't a picture, This isn't this isn't Mike Chill, this
isn't Major League Baseball umpire.

Speaker 7 (57:20):
You didn't You didn't know strikes are subjective.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Apparently apparently the zone changes.

Speaker 7 (57:28):
Strike zone is yeah, so it's it's it's funny, Chris,
because I, I really, you know, growing up, played baseball,
played some bun college, and I knew I wasn't good
enough to make the show. I, you know, love the
game so much. I but you know, another way to

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get there or still go if you're not a gifted
athlete is to be you know, a moderator, or as
my nine year old daughter calls me, the vampires.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
They can suck the blood out of the game.

Speaker 7 (58:03):
True, absolutely, she goes, Oh wow, the dad looked at
the vampires and know their umpires they're vampires. So and
it was just it was a way for me to
get to, you know, stay in the game really and
and I signed up for that, you know, enrolled in
the Empire School down in Jupiter, Florida. This is nineteen

(58:24):
ninety two, So date myself a little bit.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Where did you grow up?

Speaker 7 (58:29):
I grew up in Georgia. I have a degree in
philosophy from Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee, and spent most
of my senior year at the Memphis Chick Stadium as
opposed to sitting in the classroom, which is what I
was supposed to be doing. And that's where I got
to you know, I met a bunch of the Scouts,
and I met some of the umpire grading people that

(58:51):
go around the minor leagues as they're looking to move
umpires up. And my graduation trip with a friend of mine,
we went from Memphis all the way down to the
Sally League, all the way up to Patucket and back down.
We were eight weeks on the road and I think
there was one day we didn't see baseball game. And
I think the biggest day we got three in right.

(59:12):
It was a day game and a twinnight double header
all in like around somewhere in north north North Carolina
where you can do that with the minor league games
and and That's when I was like, okay, I'm gonna
be an umpire and literally woke up the day I
was supposed to leave to go to jeuwe burn and
said what the hell am I thinking? And and didn't
do it, didn't didn't didn't go. And now I boil

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water for a living.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
So that's nothing subjective about that, nothing unless unless your altitude.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
I guess, yeah, exactly, let's changes this physics.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Yeah, I'm wondering, Drew, And again, thanks so much for
joining us.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
It's it's really exciting to have you here.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Like how you then get from oh, I want to
be a major league umpire to then I am now
going to be working in kitchens and then eventually you know,
having a looming culinary business and going down that road.
So what was the jump from from the Sally League
to Michelin star shaft.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
Yeah, it's growing. The other thing growing up, I'd always
I'd always cooked. This year is literally forty years cooking.
I'm just I turned fifty five this year. My first
gig I was fifteen, So you know it's well, you know,
it's too late to die young now kind of a thing, right,

(01:00:39):
And the uh, this is what I know how to do,
and we're going to keep doing. I don't know that
they'd accept me in umpire school anymore, but it just
seemed right. It just seemed like that was that was
the path.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:00:55):
I didn't go to school or I studied forosophy basically
because I just saw so many of my colleagues going
to school to get a job as opposed to get
an education. And I figured with philosophy is a great
platform too. You know, I'm not a philosopher. I'm a
student of philosophy or it was, which is a big difference.

(01:01:17):
And you know, you can do anything. I could have
gone to law school, I could have gone on to
teach I you know, and and as a chef it
helped me. Uh and my actually refiw I my right
out of college, I worked for Enterprise rent a car.
Of all places, I didn't. Yeah, my first gig out
of school, I was renting cars. And because I liked

(01:01:39):
cooking too much for it to really you know, like, no,
this is gonna this is gonna ruin my passion, this
is going to mess up my my love of the game,
so to speak. Right, and and a couple of years
into it, uh, you know, my my my dad sent
me this book said do what you love, the money
will follow, right, And I read the book and didn't

(01:02:01):
think much of it. My dog probably ate it and whatever.
Three months later I woke up and said, I'm going
back to the kitchen, moving back home. And so, you know,
since nineteen ninety four, probably I've been doing what I love,
still waiting on the money. But the uh, you know,
at least I'm not. You know, I don't go to work,

(01:02:24):
you know, I go to the kitchen, right, which is
which is a cool It's a it's a lifestyle, not
a job.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah. True. Rafie's a writer for TV. I'm an actor
for anything that will pay me. And Craig, you know,
has worked in sports broadcasting. So we're all very much
in the same, you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Know, exactly pursuing passion and still seeking the cash and
where it's it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Where is it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Well, based on what I looked up Drew earlier this week,
I believe you celebrated your one year anniversary of thirty
one thirty one in North Place.

Speaker 7 (01:02:59):
Yeah, last Thursday was one year of operation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
So incredible, and we're going to kind of zig and
zag a little bit, you know, through everything you've done
in your life and career. But here's the thing you're
doing now. You know, North Park, San Diego.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
You were a year in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
How do you feel about how the project has gone
through a year?

Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
It's daunting is maybe the words. It's been a real challenge.
You know, we've been down in Guadalupe Valley. We just
it's July. We celebrated thirteen years with the Mothership, which
is Deckman's. So we opened down there in twenty twelve.
Really when Guadalupe Valley there was nothing going on down
there and now it's you know, a three sixty five

(01:03:45):
tourist destination. And with the sort of the new changes
in the Mexican government, this was decisions made before the
changes in the United States government. You know, it seemed
like a good idea to get at least one egg
out of the basket. You know, we had everything sort
of in one basket down there. As people started to

(01:04:07):
talk about the government's you know, mentioning ex appropriation and know,
taxing entrepreneurs and there's a lot of things that have
been changing on a federal level in Mexico that really
really for us was like, no, we need we need
to we need to do something else. And and I'd

(01:04:28):
maybe forgotten how much we struggled initially when we opened
down the Valley. So for me, you know, we've we've
enjoyed ten years of great success and go to the
play Valley and I'm thinking, oh, it's gonna be easy.
What does open up in North parkways? Put it's a
little a little note somewhere on Instagram and you know,
if you build it, they will come right kind of thing.
And the has it been quite that way? So a

(01:04:53):
little bit of humble pie for sure. And I think
we're getting there, you know, it's it's it's we really
feel like we've turned the corner as far as as
understanding what we are, what we do, who we are,
and what we want to, uh, you know, bring to
the marketplace that has already flooded with hundreds, probably thousands

(01:05:17):
of great restaurants here in San Diego. I mean it
feels like every ten minutes there's a new opening. And
and you know, we don't want to be one of
the ones that are in the the new closures article.
We'd rather stay hey celebrating their third year, fourth year,
fifth ye, or whatever. It's uh, you know different with

(01:05:40):
walls and a roof and all that. Everything down in
the valley is all open air and I, you know,
we don't have a door and here I got to
put a key in to get inside, right, So it's
it's a little different, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
I'm wondering.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Yeah, I was just going to ask, like because you
kind of have to head there to it, Like how
did you get to the Gudalupe Valley?

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
Like how did you get to Mexico?

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Like what initially drew you as a chef who had
been working in kitchens? And I think you worked in
Europe for some time, right, and then you know, came
here and like, how do you land on Baja?

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
I went? You know when I went to Europe, uh rafe,
I was going. I thought I was going for six months.
A friend of me, of my of my parents had
invited me to go work in there in their hotel
south of Hamburg for you know, a short amount of time,
and I was like, okay, I'm just going for six months.
I ended up spending ten years, right, which was huge, Right.

(01:06:37):
You know, I didn't go to cooking school, so that
was my you know, that was my school essentially, And
same thing with Mexico. You know, I I did some
some trips down in Mexico when I was in high school,
spent some extended time during summers in the Yucatum Peninsula,
and when I had the opportunity to come and work

(01:06:59):
in Mexico for the first time, which was actually about
an hour south of Cancun twenty years ago, before Hurricane Wilma.
Before all of that, I didn't speak Spanish. I was
fluent in German and French, which was really funny. So
you go to a place where eighty percent of the
population their first language is Mayan, and don't I don't

(01:07:22):
speak Maya or Spanish, right, And so it was this
It was really really wild because even you know, I'm
the chef, so I'm going to be calling the tickets.
So I'm calling the tickets in French for my pastry
chef who didn't speak anything but French, and in English,
because my sooux chef was Argentina and he spoke English
and Spanish. He would then call it in Spanish to

(01:07:43):
the lead cook behind the line, who was the only
cook who spoke Spanish and Mayan. That cook would then
say it in Mayen to the rest of the team,
and then the community the commit and then the communication
would come backwards. Right. And so if you've ever had
you know, the disc into the tele home game, right,
imagine that for you know, one hundred diners throughout the

(01:08:05):
evening just trying to get just trying to get a
taco out the door, right. I mean sporty is I
think the word we use, right, And and I just, uh,
you know my other gig if as I fished for
a living, are used to at least and so Cabo
was a place where I could go and I knew
I could get I could get paid to fish on

(01:08:27):
a level that I was accustomed to. I'm also a
dive master, so I could work as a freeman freelance
dive master, and then I could also work and cook
on a level I was accustomed to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Okay, So were you doing charters?

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:08:40):
No, mostly working. I have worked as a commercial fisherman
in Alaska, but different more of a bottom dragger for
pollock and code, but more sport fishing like but YACHTI stuff,
so you know guys that own their own vessels, and
I would be hired as a deckhand. Yeah, so not

(01:09:03):
not necessarily like a like a long range charter like
those party boats that go out of like San Diego
and in LA.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
That's my world.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
Yeah, more working, working on the square end of the
boat for guys, guys on their yah, doing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Bill fish tournaments and whatnot like that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:19):
That stuff. Yeah, chasing, chasing, chasing those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:09:25):
Yeah, it was. It was a great time of life.
I really thought, and I, you know, I could get
some of these gigs because not not a bad deckhand,
not a bad leader guy, but also a hell of
a cook.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
So it was, you know, it was.

Speaker 7 (01:09:39):
It was a pretty you know, most of the owners
are you know, very high income folks and they like
to eat well. So how do you you know, double
down on Oh you got a guy that can can
rig a valley who leader of bill fish and also
you know, do us a you know, a six course
dinner when we're done. Some of the some of those
gigs are pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Well. So, Drew, I want to ask in it. We're
going to kind of veer into the philosophical here just
a little bit, but as a preamble, Chris and I,
in addition to doing the podres show, we do a
television streaming podcast called Crossing Streams, and about a month
ago we did our review of the latest season of
The Bear, and within that I was kind of exploring

(01:10:25):
within myself, why do these stories of chefs of restaurants,
of the challenge of creating and being able to succeed
while creating, Why does this resonate with me so much?
And he and I had a discussion about how I've
spent my life most of my professional career in radio

(01:10:47):
or do a play by play and even podcasts, and
all of these are things that I kind of feel
like a dish that you create and you put up
to be you know, sent out, it goes away and
that's that, Like did they enjoy it? You hope they
enjoyed it? Did the right person eat your meal? Did

(01:11:08):
you make the best meal of your life? And it
went to somebody who had a stuff he knows that
day and didn't even know what it tasted like, you know,
just like did I do my best radio show I
ever did and just nobody heard it. It was on
a Sunday evening and it flew off to Jupiter, and
I knew it was good, and the producer knew, and
no one else knew, you know, So I just wonder,

(01:11:30):
what how you've grappled with that in your career, that
you're doing something that is every day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
It's live, it's jazz.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
It's creative, it's extemporaneous, but it's also ephemeral. It changes
every day and the success you had yesterday has no
bearing on today. How do you grapple with that as
your lifelong pursuit?

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
Yeah, and I think I think it's some of the
some of the show notes that I received from from
your team. The you know, you're only as good as
your next meal is is very real, right, And that's
the same thing. We can apply that to baseball, we
can apply that to radio, we can play that to acting.
You know, it's it's it's you know, is it is

(01:12:20):
a disposable art, is a consumable art. You know some
people say, oh, cookings are well, you know, it's like
like hard freaking work, right, And maybe there's you know,
five percent of that art. And I don't even know
that everyone in the kitchen is on that because you know,

(01:12:43):
the way I look at it is, if you know,
Rembrandt paints just unbelievable painting, but then that painting goes
to some factory where they have these people who know
the physics of painting and the emotions of painting, and
replicate that and thereating and they're replicating and they're replicating.
Is that art? No, I don't think it is, because

(01:13:05):
you're just going through the motion part of that. Making
it art is the creative part. Right, You're not allowed
to go outside the lines because you're replicating. So you
could be a great replicator, but you're probably not creating art.
You're creating a replication of what someone else created as art.

(01:13:26):
So I think even the lower you go, sort of
on the the hierarchy in the kitchen, it's less and
less and less artistic and more and more you know,
being a plumber. No, no, no, no, no offense, you know.
I look, I don't. I hope that trade that I
chose is there's no offense.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
In making more than all of us, So don't worry about.

Speaker 7 (01:13:50):
But it's not about that. It's about it's about doing
a job that is just sort of probably something that
most people don't want to do. Had there's some art
to coming in and looking at the pipes in an
old house and make them work, right, Yeah, Because there's
some creativity and there's some understanding, and there's some So

(01:14:12):
for me, I think it's really easy to take yourself
too seriously in the chef world if you will, you know,
I'm you know, if he could get any of my
social media. So I don't call myself a chef, except
for Instagram calls me a chef. So I'm an ingredient facilitator. Right.

(01:14:38):
The chefs are the guys that I work for in
Europe who've had three Michelin stars for fifty years, and
you know, my teachers. I think if you call yourself
a chef, then I think somebody else has to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Yeah, right, I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:14:55):
I don't know that that you can you know self name.
I think so much of it is an inter discipline
recognition and and so for me it's just about you know,
when I was younger, I all cared about was the

(01:15:16):
press and the and the prizes and the awards and
all that and and being on this list or that list,
and and in the end, the only list that matters
is the reservations list, right, the wait list, if you will,
Because if there's no butts in seats, then it's what's
the point man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Reminds me of the off the Bill Parcells quote where
He's just like, listen, you are what your record says
you are.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
You can you can do whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
You you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
Absolutely this question about you know, rem brands and artists,
but then the people who replicate rembrand is, you know,
is that necessarily art?

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
I you know, I think there's a direct analog, at
least in my world of when you look at established
writers and directors and you go, if you were to
ask them, there they are three favorite movies, and then
you go look at their work. They were obviously influenced
by that, and there's different echoes of styles and stuff
like that. And I'm curious if you find it's the
same in the culinary chef world, where you talk about

(01:16:16):
these three Michelin star chefs that you've worked under, like,
have you noticed like influences from them in your own
work as you've then taken that and then made an
entirely new thing without a doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:16:27):
Anybody that says that they haven't is fullish yet in
my opinion, maybe there's some prodigies out there that just
that just but it's got to be point zero zero
zero zero zero zero one percent. Yeah, there's some guys
that are really good at women who are really good
at taking an initial sort of input from teachers and

(01:16:51):
going right. But they would have done that in any
discipline they had chosen to do because that's the kind
of person they are.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
So for me, there's no doubt that I can say
I'm a direct result of my teachers and every single
thing that I've seen, learn, eating, experienced. You know, I
think in any creative thing, from acting to radio to
writing to you, you can't not be influenced by your

(01:17:22):
your your surroundings.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:17:26):
You know, you you can learn something going through a
fast food drive through, right if you really want, if
you want to learn, you know, the lessons are out
there hanging on the trees. You just have to go
out there and want to pick them and see them.
But if you don't, then you just kind of continue
the same right, and and so I think when I

(01:17:48):
kind of got rid of the pride and and and
didn't let the ego lead in the in the kitchen
is really is really when when I started to see
a chain in me and it made me a better teacher.
I think it allowed me to be a better you know,
leader of young people. You know, could ra if if

(01:18:12):
you think about it. I'm the only one in the
kitchen getting older, right, All my line cooks, they all
stay the same because they come, they hit me they're
nineteen to twenty four, and then they have enough experience
they going to do something else. I probably don't see
them again. So as my experience and age increases, they
they're the same. Boom boom boom. Which is cool because

(01:18:33):
I get to learn so much from you know, these
young people that are coming in and really have their
fingers on the pulse of technology in the kitchen, which
you know, I'm not that person. My oven downstairs one
floor below us is connected to my phone. Hell if

(01:18:55):
I can turn it on from here. But somebody told
me that they connected my phone to my oven. Who
is connected to the internet?

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Right? I did?

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
Do I need that? No? But it's a cool story,
you know, right, Hey, look you want to see my oven?
You know it's uh uh so so it's it's it's
a lot more than it's a lot more than just
cooking man, and and I see the kitchen. And I've
had these conversations with with Joe Musgrove, just long drawn

(01:19:26):
out mentorship and and and and and teaching and coaching
instructions conversations with him as he's kind of had his
stints on on the I l over the last couple
of years. And initially, initially when he first like last
year's was the shoulder stuff. And He's like, before the

(01:19:47):
before we knew it was going on, and obviously it
was the body saying, oh wait, I've got to compensate.
And he didn't have a shoulder problem. He needed Tommy
John right and and so yeah, no, I'm getting better
coming back. But and that's when we started having these
conversations about being a coach. He's like, no, I could
never show somebody what I do. I just go out

(01:20:08):
there and do it. And then the more time that
he wasn't playing and the more time he was sort
of working with some of the other younger players, we'd
come back and have another touch on some of these
conversations and I could just kind of watch his his
his sort of point of view change, and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
You know, I.

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
I personally believe that's where he's headed. You know, one
day after he comes back and gets five years out of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
The new arm.

Speaker 7 (01:20:38):
But yeah, it's it's it's cool to watch watch him
kind of change the way he's looking at the game,
and so the kitchen is the same.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
To me, a new restaurant is very much an underdog,
like just getting going, Like you kind of have to
have that mentality. I'm sure. I'm sure Joe has that
mentality from being a kid out here in San Diego,
you know, dealing with everything he did, making his way
to the BIGS and then signing his hometown team. Uh,

(01:21:09):
how did you latch onto the Padres? Was it just
through Joe? The ultimate underdogs? You know, the team that
doesn't have any of that hardware or any of those
trophies or awards, Like, have you felt a draw to
them just from your own experience or yeah, I don't
know that come about. I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:21:29):
I don't know that it's because I saw, you know,
a similar path in in in underachieving. You know, I
grew up in Atlanta, so you know, eight years old,
I remember my mom coming in and getting mad at
me because I had a transistor radio underneath my pillow,

(01:21:52):
and you know, listening to the Braves when they sucked,
I mean sucked right, And there's you know, Chip Carrey
and Skip Carrey and and you know, listen to these
guys and I'm eight years old. And then I got
to watch a team that was really bad turn into
a team that was really good for a long time

(01:22:13):
without having the ability to really do much with it
at the end. But you know, that's for a different
podcast and the uh. And then I lived in LA
for a while because I was a private chef for
an actor in La, and well, what do you do? Well,
you're in La, So I'm not gonna be a Braves fan.
I gonna wear that other hat and I'm gonna go
to those games and hang out and Chavis Ravine. And

(01:22:35):
then then I moved to Cabo, and finally it was
far enough away that I said, oh, you know, put
all that blue stuff in some box, someplays. And when
I opened in twenty twelve, up here in the valley,
one of my friends, longtime Podres fan, his dad had
had season tickets since the mid seventies, I guess, and

(01:22:59):
start going to games, started, you know, started buying hats,
starting to follow, starting to enjoy because I love the game,
and for me, that was that was, that was my
home team, because this is where I was right, and
it just, you know, over time. So now we're talking ten, twelve, thirteen,
fourteen years of sort of being a Padres fan. Uh

(01:23:21):
and each year just a little more vetted and a
little more vetted and a little more understanding. I think
we're this our six year with season tickets. My wife
and I we just do a half season. I can't
even get to all those games. But it was the
way for me to feel like, Okay, cool, you know
I'm more a part of this. This this means more

(01:23:42):
to me than just you know, going twice a year
and you know it just being part of it. Right.
And and then when they did the they did the
you know, the renovation of the Gallagher Square, so we
got the family brick and we you know, put there
undertoning and it's got the bricks there forever. And uh
and and then I met Joe, you know. And Joe

(01:24:05):
was a guest in my restaurant down in Baja a
couple of years ago during the All Star break. And
and I didn't he it was him and uh rich
Rich Hill. I think I had dinner together.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
That checks out that that.

Speaker 7 (01:24:24):
Yeah, right. And and this first thing I said when
I came to the table, uh As, I said, dude,
your hat's on your hats because he had like this,
and I said, I said, why is your hat not like?
And he goes and he looks at me, and then
Joe start had to explain it to him, which I
was like, do you not know your hat's crooked when

(01:24:44):
you're pitching?

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:24:47):
And So anyway, they had this meal and I didn't
charge him, and Joe calls me over the table and
he said, you know, we have plenty of money, right
and and I I said, yeah, that's not the point.
The point is I'm a fan. You do so much
for San Diego. There's no way I could give you

(01:25:07):
anything other than a meal that that you may not
have had before. So there's no your money's not good here.
And I just thank you for being here because there's
a lot of options and thanks for what you do,
and I'll continue to be a fan. And he said here,
write this down. It was his cell phone and he said,

(01:25:27):
text me whatever you need, just and so I started
texting him and he's like, hey, man, what's going on? Hey,
what you have for breakfast today?

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:25:34):
And just talking to him, Hey, what a great game
this weekend? Getting all fired up about this and the
and when we got the investor deck together for the
new restaurant. I sent it to him by text and
I said, Hey, when you get to the clubhouse today,
I know there's probably a bunch of guys that have
some loose change in their pockets. You know, if everybody's

(01:25:56):
interested in being a part of this, just let them know.
And he goes, what, it's our investor deck for the
new spot. And he goes, you're opener in San Diego.
Said yeah, and they what's the buy? And I kind
of told him about the whole things that Okay, I'm in.
I mean, it was it was that easy. It was
like this, like six text messages and and and yeah,

(01:26:17):
and it's cool. And so he spent you know, a
huge cheerleader for us.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:26:22):
And then through that relationship, I've kind of gotten to
know more people in the Patrits organization and and you know,
and then we had this opportunity, you know, I throw
out the first pitch last year, which was really cool,
and did the did the guest chef, did the guest
chef thing down in behind the plate, and and you
cooked this year's the Dinner of Diamond Yeah, which was

(01:26:46):
just unreal. I mean it was really really cool and
and you know, in February. You know, I'd gotten to
know a bunch of the guys in Delaware North and
in February is like, I think I got something for you.
And because at some point, I, you know, probably after
eating too many gummies, I said said something like, uh, hey,

(01:27:06):
if you ever, you know, need me to do something
more than just a pop up kind of thing, let
me know, right and and they said, I think we
got something for you. And we went to the park
and kind of looked at the space where we are
now with Deckman's and it just like all of a sudden,
it just happened, right, And and now I have a
restaurant at Petco Park, and I walk in and my

(01:27:27):
name is on the jumbo tron, and and you know,
every day before then, I'll probably get in trouble for
this because it doesn't always go on the cashers, but
we take food up to Jesse and TONI.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Oh, we know it's on his instagramy day and it's
the Savichi exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
So I was actually I was texted with Jesse today
before the game started, telling him I was gonna be
with you guys today and he was he was like, yeah,
those guys are awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
Jesse is the best, and so.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
It's it's.

Speaker 7 (01:28:03):
Me sort of falling through with some fanboy stuff but
also being a part of it at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
And I think that's really the cool part of it
for me is just feeling like I'm part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
That day, the right person drew that day, the right
person exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
I don't know that.

Speaker 7 (01:28:26):
I don't know that they'll get a ring in my
size in November, but let's.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Go ahead and make that on the record, Padres do
the right thing. Yeah, let's do like your broadcast is
being powered, You're you're starting picturing, your pictures are being powered.

Speaker 7 (01:28:40):
Yeah, right, thing, little golden fish taco right on the side.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
It is there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
It is incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Go ahead, Chris, Well, I want to do something before
we finish up, but if you have another question, go
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Uh. Yeah, I did have one more, uh kind of
topic area I wanted to explore with you, Drew, because
I feel like this is an era that's got to
be always. As Chris said, so well, operating any restaurant
is such a challenge. It is such a difficult business.
So many people just say, well, why why, why are

(01:29:16):
you even torturing yourself. But there's also this.

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
I think the way we refer to it in our
world is it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Sucks exactly so. But there's also this whole world now
because of the Internet, because of YouTube, because of the
proliferation of shows that you can be almost a celebrity
chef now, right, there's the ability to appear on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Chopped or any one of these.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Competitive type shows. I just watched Yes Chef, which chef
Emily from also here in San Diego. I actually wound
up winning that Emily Mortimer. It was it was really
incredible to watch from the on me. But like there's
Instagram and you've got you know, you've got your Instagram account.
There's influencers and their ability to move your product and

(01:30:07):
move the needle one way or the other. What's that
I guess I'm what I'm asking in a broad sense
is what is that like to You've got all of
the I have to cook, I have to get the ingredients,
we have to get the reservations. But there's also the
side of and you've got your own show, right, I mean,
so you're you're working in this in the you've got
to become a brand amongst yourself, even above.

Speaker 7 (01:30:29):
The food, right, Yeah, it's it's a big part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:30:35):
You know you most people don't you just think, oh,
I just go to work, and you know, you get
the fish, you cut the fish, you cook the fish,
they eat the fish, they go home. It's so much
more than that, you know, in first I you know,
first and foremost, it's not me, it's us. It's my
entire team, right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:30:53):
I can have a great day or not great day.
But if the rest of the team is following what
I'm doing, they're the ones that have to do it.
My chef, my you know, lead people on the floor,
the person answering the phones, the you know, even to
the person who's doing our maintenance and cleaning in the morning.
Because you know, every single part of that is leads

(01:31:15):
into the brand. And you know, one of the things
I like to use this analogy. It's like if you're
fuel filter clogs on your car, you know what's the
result the car doesn't run. If your transmission fails, what's
the result your car doesn't run? Which part's more important?

(01:31:36):
I can tell you which parts more expensive, But if
either one of them fail, the results the same. So
which has more importance?

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
And so for me.

Speaker 7 (01:31:48):
Yes, I mean god, the TV show has brought so
much to you know, we're just doing this cool documentary
about you know, ingredients and trying to like communicate about
certain things before they were gone. And we just got
nominated for a Daytime Emmy. Right it's our first year
of doing the show. Never you couldn't get anybody to

(01:32:08):
pick it up find Amazon Prime agreed to do it
for free, so we have no proceeds from it other
than just it's included in Prime. Bam, we got nominated
for Daytime Emmy. It's like, all right, that's that's pretty cool.
Where Like it's called The Ingrediente Mexico and it's included

(01:32:30):
six six episodes. It's on Amazon Prime, included with your
Prime membership right now. And yeah, so we went to
seven different Mexican states and you know, it's a it's
a nonscripted documentary where I'm basically the host and just
asking questions and we it's it's not really a cooking

(01:32:51):
show and it's not really a travel show. It has
some of that, but it's really about you know, talking
trying trying to get it sort of the point of
view of Mexico from a Mexican point of view as opposed.
Most of the time, the story's told through European eyes,
and you know it's man, I became a Mexican citizen

(01:33:16):
in twenty eighteen, but that was just a piece of paper.
I think. Really making myself, my heart become Mexican, I
think happened along the road making this show. It just unbelievable,
the places that we went and the people we saw,
and that, you know, I don't know any times like

(01:33:36):
cry on film that you could probably document that, but yeah,
it's huge. And you're like standing at the airport trying
to get an airplane and somebody goes walks up to you, goes,
can I take a picture with you? And I don't
even you know, I don't see myself that way, right,
I don't see myself as somebody who's even I didn't

(01:33:58):
nobody even watched that shit, right, And oh yeah I
was at this and I are you, Drew Deckman, And
it's like, uh, are are you a police officer? You know,
why are you asking?

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
Uh, hold on your suitcase a little bit tighter.

Speaker 7 (01:34:15):
It's I've been sent to, you know, do a job
kind of thing. Uh, but you know who do I
piss off this time the but yeah, so it's it
is a big part of it, Craig, It's a big
part of Uh. Unfortunately, I don't know that it's even
possible without having that branding to make anything like that

(01:34:38):
work nowadays. Uh, you know, information is so instantaneous and
also so disposable. Uh it's in and out, in and out,
in and out, isn't it? You know, don't put meine
hits bad bad bam bam bam bam bam bam, like
all the time. And if you just go, hey, we're open,
here's our menu should come and then don't do anything else.

(01:35:01):
You're like, it could be two weeks. Two weeks in
social media world is like two hundred years in like literary, right,
I mean, it's it blows me away. And and that's
why we we hire people that know a lot more
about that than I do, because otherwise, I, you know,

(01:35:23):
we probably wouldn't have any of that stuff, because I
just be like, I just want to cook man. You know,
you know what times of game start, so we can
make all the reservations early so we can right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Rafe, you got anything?

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
Uh, I'm just curious, Like this is my last thing.
This is a personal thing.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
I I'm just so impressed in congratulations on getting a
Micheline star. And I know you have two Green stars
as well, And I was just curious, like if you
had any idea because I know that's a super secretive
process that like that was happening, that was in process,
Like when did you find out?

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
What was that?

Speaker 7 (01:35:59):
Like it's we knew Michelin was in Mexico reviewing. If
anybody tells you that they knew when they were there
and they had it all figured out, they're lying. Yeah,
Michelin is so good at that. And like when I
was I my first Michelin Star. I was twenty nine
years old in Europe. It was my very first gig
as a chef. Really messed me up because you know,

(01:36:22):
it was my first job as a chef and I
get a Michelin Star. It just through I mean, I
just became this ego cowboy for years until I figured
out that I wasn't the best thing since beer in
a can, right, and.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
The uh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
It it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:40):
You knew they were there, that you knew that they
were in the country. It was announced they were going
to be reviewing Mexico. We had no idea they were there,
and yeah, I mean you've got these sort of theories.
Oh I think that person. You know, like when when
I was younger in Europe, it was a pretty you
could kind of tell it was a male dressed well

(01:37:02):
thirty five to fifty typically single diner, always made a reservation,
would sit there, look at the menu for twenty five minutes,
order the tasting menu, and have one glass of wine.
And that was like, dude, that's an inspector, right, and yeah,
and now you know, you hear stories about a single

(01:37:26):
person would come in and they're a plant and the
real inspector is on the table of four that's sitting
across from them, and you know, do you hear all
these different things about how stuff happens, and it's uh,
you know, right for the best way to do it

(01:37:46):
is every single person that walks in your door is
an inspector.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
Yeah, And it's the only way you can you can
even deal with it because otherwise you're going to miss it.
And that's why we should be run our business. You know,
every at bout counts, every at that counts when you
come down to making the playoffs or not. Over half
a game after playing one sixty two and you go,

(01:38:15):
don't tell me that that at bat didn't count, because
it did. It drops in a bucket to get to
a goal, and it's just, you know, that's how you
got it. Every every day's game day in the restaurant world.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Did I see in a video that you've got a
placard in your kitchen that says sense of urgency?

Speaker 7 (01:38:34):
Yes, thank you, Thomas Keller. I absolutely, it is something
that I try to just instill in my folks. And
got a couple of Navy seal friends, so we definitely
the slow as smooth, smooth as fast motto we use.
And if you're always going as fast as you can,

(01:38:55):
you never have to hurry, and and if you're always
ready or what what did Jesse said it today talking
about talking about Gavin Sheets if if you stay prepared,
you never.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Have to get ready or something, Yeah, you have to
get ready.

Speaker 7 (01:39:15):
Yeah, you have to get ready, talking about him not
having much playing time since uh, since the deadline and
just coming in today and it's like, oh, yep, it
was like he's playing every day, and you know that's
kind of that's that you don't you don't get to
have an off day because the person sitting out at
the table doesn't doesn't give a shit. They that's not

(01:39:39):
their problem, right, They just want to have a good meal.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Drew, thank you so much for joining us. I do
think that you are more artistic than you give yourself
credit for agreed committing to sustainability. Like that's an act
of creation and the opposite of like what an artist
artist does in creating is is destroying, and like you're
choosing to do your best not to do that. I

(01:40:03):
have a very very stupid little game for you. These
boys are not ready for it. Nobody's ready for it.
I have got four fish. I am going to give
you their scientific name. Two of them are are more
white fleshed fish, and two of them are pelagic fish.
And then I would like you to tell me which
of the padres starting lineup they are. Okay, So first

(01:40:25):
we have we have Paralychthus californicus. This is one of
the white flesh ones. Paralych This californicus. This is a
very common commercial and sport caught fish, highly prized. They
have a size limit, I believe of twenty two inches.

Speaker 7 (01:40:48):
Size limit.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Size limit. They must be twenty two inches long.

Speaker 7 (01:40:52):
And it's probably white sea mess.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Right incorrect, This would be the California halibit Oh hall
of It? Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:40:59):
Cool so and who on the who on the Padres
team resembles a hall of It?

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
No like which one of the lineup is the California
Hall of It?

Speaker 7 (01:41:08):
Probably our second basement. But he's from Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
You are very close. In fact, that is Luisa Rias
because he was born with two eyes on different sides
of the head. And now they have now moved to
the front. All right. Our next one is Ophia don
e long goddess. This is another white flesh fish. Another

(01:41:32):
sport caught one, but the size limit on these ones
is a little bit longer. Here's a great hint for you.
The term ophia don is derived from Greek meaning ophis
for snake and otis for tooth.

Speaker 7 (01:41:47):
That's a link that is indeed a linked god.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
Which of the padres is a link cod?

Speaker 7 (01:41:58):
I like see has a little two different color eyes,
and link cod have different color flesh depending on what
they eat. Sometimes they're blue on the inside, sometimes they're green.
As the flesh they're kind of it changes, and so
I don't know, maybe no, that is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
The absolute correct answer, ding Ding, well done too for
two on that one. Our third one would be funnest finest.
This is a pelagic fish, often considered one of the
most valuable fish in the entire ocean, one of the
strongest fighters in the sport caught world. On this side

(01:42:42):
of the coast, they get to be about three hundred pounds.
On the other side of the United States, they get
much much larger.

Speaker 7 (01:42:49):
You have a guess, probably bluefin.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
This would be the bluefin tuna. And who is this
team bluefin tuna?

Speaker 7 (01:42:55):
Drew Mado, This team's blue fin tuna.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
You have your your your four for six. That is incredible.

Speaker 7 (01:43:07):
You are on a Hotspeakers town, baby, you were doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Let's let's round it out. This last one's tricky. This
last one's tricky. This is funnest albacaris.

Speaker 7 (01:43:18):
That's albu cortuna incorrect.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Correct, This is the yellow fin tuna. Because I'm just
to get you, then, who is who is our yellow
fin tuna?

Speaker 7 (01:43:34):
Fucking latin? Uh, who's our yellow fin tuna?

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
I'm I'm you know.

Speaker 7 (01:43:44):
Sometimes yellow finn don't always come all the way up
to San Diego, but when they do, it typically is
the end of summer going in the fall. They're here
just for a short amount of time and they leave,
not like the blue fin, which you're here kind of
a little longer part of the season, very migratory. Let's
say maybe somebody who might show up at a trade deadline,

(01:44:08):
for example. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, Ramon Loriano.
Is our is our our our yellow fant douna, What.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
A fantastic answer it is. Unfortunately incorrect answer was Fernando
Tatiste junior el Nino because the yellow fin typically show
up in the warmer waters of El Nino years.

Speaker 7 (01:44:36):
Okay, I'd kind of go more like sailfish because ends
up not not weighing a whole lot when you look
at the final batting percentage, makes a lot of a
lot of flash with a great big fin, a lot
of noise. But when you really want, you know, something

(01:44:57):
to happen, it's just sort of this eighty.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
Throwing the gauntlet down, throwing the gauntlet down on the Nando.

Speaker 7 (01:45:07):
I was into the tomorrow. It's like E G will
absolutely call me and he he'll go, Drew, we need
to have a talk.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
Yeah, you're lawyer. Answer it was really good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
But you shouldn't have listened to read he took you
down a dark path.

Speaker 7 (01:45:30):
No, it was those are cool questions, though I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
Thank you man.

Speaker 8 (01:45:35):
Okay, so Chris, that was amazing. It was truly one
of the funniest, funniest things.

Speaker 5 (01:45:44):
I think we had no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
By the way, your U work is really coming handing down.

Speaker 8 (01:45:49):
Tell the man, I think I think we're starting to
see the dividends of your UCB work.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Now you're on Padre's hot tip. Drew, thank you, just
like Christen, thank you so much. We really appreciate the time.
Certainly it helped us take our minds off of this
horse crab series of baseball that we just watched, and
I just I'm really excited to have created this connection
and I look forward to following everything you do.

Speaker 7 (01:46:13):
Thank you. Horse crap typically bounces back really well, because
you're gonna these guys are going to be miserable coming
home this afternoon, They're gonna be miserable in the locker
room tomorrow, and they are just going to come out
raging for the rest of the time. This was a
wake up, This was we needed this. I think we
needed to get smacked back down to finish strong.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
I like that. I like that a lot. Well, thank
you so much, we really appreciate it. And to everybody
watching and listening, thank you so much, and go well.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Just real quick, let's plug Drew everything. Oh yah yeah, yeah,
well nowhere to find him? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
All the plug?

Speaker 7 (01:46:54):
Am I doing that?

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Or more? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
I don't know them all?

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
Please you I'll do that.

Speaker 7 (01:46:57):
My name's Drew Deckman. You've been listening to me. So
we have a thirty one thirty one in North Park.
Website is wwwd thirty one thirty one dot com. Deckmans
dot com is our mothership website. You can get to
any of our other restaurants when you come to Petco Park.
Come see us at the Draft at Ballast Point or

(01:47:20):
the Draft by Ballast Point. It's Deckman's. Is a great
big green sign now on the bridge to get you
up there. Fish, Tacosavices, Baja Oysters, and if you're in
the stadium on Tuesday night, I'm the guest chef in
the Blue Cross Brookshield and we're actually going to replicate
the meal we did for dinner on the Diamond for
the folks that couldn't couldn't have joined that at same

(01:47:40):
evening and just give some folks another chance to maybe
donate to the Padres Foundation and do something good for
good for the kids, good for baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Amazing Baja fishing chef on Instagram. I believe, right, okay, okay,
and all right, all right now for Drew and Chris
and Rafie, I'm Craig. Thanks for watching, thanks for listening.

Speaker 7 (01:48:06):
Go Padres Gods

Speaker 8 (01:49:24):
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