September 25, 2025 • 11 mins
The headlies are bad, the emails are worse. Will King Charles have to make a move to cut off Fergie?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Calorougus Shark Media.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to Palas Intrigue Game, your host Mark Francis.
The Royal family is facing renewed turmoil as divisions emerge
between King Charles and the Prince of Wales over how
to handle Sarah, Duchess of York, and Prince Andrew following
revelations about the Duchess's correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein. According to
a report in The Daily Mail, the King has resisted
(00:39):
calls to completely disown his brother and former sister in law,
pointing to their loyalty to both him and the Crown
in contrast with the Sussexes. However, he is said to
be under huge pressure to expel Sarah Ferguson permanently, after
emails showed her describing Epstein as a supreme friend and
apologizing to him for distancing herself publicly. In recent days,
(01:04):
at least seven charities have severed ties, with the Duchess
Teenage Cancer Trust, which she had supported for thirty five years,
announced she is no longer its patron, saying we have
made the decision to end our relationship with the Duchess
of York and as of today she is no longer
a patron of Teenage Cancer Trust. We would like to
(01:24):
thank the Duchess of York for her support. Other organizations,
including Julia's House Hospice Prevent Breast Cancer, the Natasha Allergy
Research Foundation and the British Heart Foundation have followed suit,
with the Natasha Foundation's founders saying we were disturbed to
read of Sarah, Duchess of York's correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein.
(01:48):
While the King is purportedly reluctant to cut ties with
the Yorks, the Prince of Wales is taking a firmer stance.
A royal source told the paper William feels even more
strongly than the King Andrew and Fergie are an embarrassment
and will be urging his father to act the optics
of that pair of chances guffoing away at events looks terrible.
(02:10):
William is said to favor barring both Andrew and Sarah
from attending public family events, including Christmas gatherings, and is
pressing for their eviction from a royal lodge, their thirty
room home near Windsor Castle. Andrew has so far resisted
a move to the smaller Frogmore Cottage. The correspondence at
the center of the scandal dates back to twenty eleven,
(02:30):
shortly after Sarah Ferguson apologized in the media for accepting
fifteen thousand pounds from Epstein. In an interview at the time,
she said, I abhor pedophilia and any sexual abuse of children,
and know that this was a gigantic error of judgment
on my behalf. I am just so contrite. I cannot say.
Whenever I can, I will repay the money and have
(02:51):
nothing ever to do with Jeffrey Epstein ever again. However,
barely a month later, she sent Epstein a private message
in which she wrote, I know you feel halacious let
down by me, and I must humbly apologize to you
and your heart for that. You have always been a steadfast,
generous and supreme friend to me and my family. She added,
Please understand I didn't want to hurt Andrew one more time.
(03:14):
I was in overriding fear. I am sorry. Lee Cohen
on gb News writes, for an institution that relies heavily
on public goodwill, the British monarchy cannot afford to be
held hostage by irresponsible, self serving members. This is not
an isolated misstep, but the culmination of a long trail
of questionable conduct, cash for access schemes, tone deaf interviews,
(03:38):
and the persistent perception that the Yorks have monetized royal
connections for personal gain. The royal family should now put
self preservation over sentiment. That means formal public distancing, revoking
titles where possible, removing references from official websites, and excluding
the Yorks from royal events and occasions. This is a cruelty.
(03:58):
It's stewardship. The crown belongs not just to the Windsors,
but to the nation it represents. Protecting it requires drawing
clear lines. The late beloved Queen was known for her
sense of duty and her ability to rise above personal grievances.
Honoring that legacy means defending the institution she upheld, not
enabling those who undermine it. For Skye News, Sean Coughlin
(04:20):
asks is the Epstein email one scandal too many for
Duchess of York? He writes, her fallibility has been part
of her likability. She is good with people, with an
outgoing friendliness and sense of fun, which is why charities
have previously wanted her as an ally. She didn't get
an invitation to the coronation of her ex brother in law,
but didn't moan about it. Then she appeared to be
(04:42):
back in the fold when in twenty twenty three she
was invited for a Royal Christmas at Sandringham, her first
time there in decades. The following Christmas there was more
royal approval for her, with grateful murmurings from the Palace
that she had helped persuade Prince Andrew to stay away
from family events of his involvement in the Chinese spy scandal.
(05:03):
She had also gained public respect for her energetic efforts
encouraging women to get checks after her own breast cancer
diagnosis and operation. But now this latest revelation is causing
profound problems. There couldn't be a more toxic connection than
with Epstein, and it is going to be particularly difficult
when so much of her charity work was associated with children.
(05:25):
In The Guardian, Marina Hired writes Epstein had given her money.
Of course, she says fifteen grand. Then again she says
a lot of things. The Duchess's debts were reported to
be five million pounds at the time. Because she has
always spent money other people's money like water. The more
I think about this fashionable line of defense, the more
bizarre I find it. If I had a wildly rich
and incredibly connected friend and they still ended up going
(05:47):
to prison for eighteen months, then I would simply assume
this friend had done the thing they were convicted of,
and most probably much worse. It's called being realistic. I'm
not saying everyone in the world should have known this
about Epstein. Back in two thousand and eight, Epstein obviously
cast things differently. In his Nutty Nyt interview, he likened
himself to Gulliver, shipwrecked among the diminutive denizens of Lilliput.
(06:10):
Gulliver's playfulness had unintended consequences, mister Epstein said, That is
what happens with wealth. There are unexpected burdens as well
as benefits. Do me a favor. And yet Fergie herself
has played a version of this tiny violin for decades
and will again now she has been found out again.
Her victim narrative has been surprisingly durable, even though she
has helped burn through more fortunes than almost every other
(06:33):
person on this planet will ever see twenty million pound
chalais and Verbia, the fifteen million pound Muckey mansion houses.
She never even moved into, eternal luxury holidays, endless retinues
of unnecessary staff. She has poured in more than some
of her charities. Ever, well, how many of her financial
empires have fallen, only for a new one to rise
(06:54):
again when some Kazakh, Oligark, Sex, Gulliver other mysterious billionaire
can mmediately turns up in the nick of time to
buy her out or bail her out. The King is
still doing it, probably dreading the deeper liability of her
being outside the tent. It's unclear quite how long that
will be able to hold if further emails between Prince
Andrew and Epstein emerge, as seems a distinct possibility. Whatever happens, however,
(07:19):
this is not victimhood. I'm sure one of Epstein's actual
victims could explain the difference more Palace in just a moment. Hey,
don't forget to check out our new series, Crown and
Controversy Season two is out. Also another spin off series,
Crown and Controversy Norway The Royal Rebels. We've talked about
the Norway group here and you might be familiar with
(07:42):
some of their deeds and misdeeds. It's a fascinating story.
Check it out wherever you get your podcasts. Crown and Controversy, Norway,
The Royal Rebels. Prince Harry has issued a stark warning
as a new U NEEDS short film was unveiled at
the United Nations General Astate in New York. The film
featuring Harry, aims to rally global support for HIV AIDS
(08:04):
programs at a time when funding is under severe strain.
In a statement, the Duke of Sussex said, right now
babies are being born with HIV due to interruptions in
anti retroviral treatment for their mothers. Without urgent action to
reverse these crippling funding cuts, six million more people will
become infected with HIV, while four million will die from
(08:25):
AIDS related causes with the next four years. It is
not just the at risk communities that will be affected.
We've proven that sustained investment saves lives and builds stronger communities.
Abandoning this life saving work now would be a devastating
betrayal of progress and the millions who depend on these
essential services. Harry has long been an advocate in the
(08:45):
fight against HIV leading initiatives in countries such as Botswana
and Lesotho, and even taking a public HIV test himself
in an effort to reduce stigma and encourage awareness. His
latest appeal comes amid concern that cuts to international AIDS
could undo decades of progress in tackling the epidemic. William
and Kate paid a subtle but moving tribute to the
(09:08):
victims of the Southport murders during an unannounced visit to
the town in July twenty twenty four. Nine year old
Alice da silver Agua, six year old bb King, and
seven year old Elise dot Standcombe were killed when their
Taylor Swift themed dance class was targeted by a knife
wielding teenager. On their second visit to the grief stricken community,
(09:28):
the Prince and Princess of Wales met privately with the
families of the three girls and spent time in their
schools to see how pupils and staff are coping. More
than a year on. At Churchtown Primary School, where Alison
Bbe had been pupils, the couple spoke with classmates and
toured a new playground built in the girls honor. They
alo met with Alice's parents Sergio and Alexandra Aguare, and
(09:50):
Bibe's parents, Lauren and Ben King, who gifted them bearded
friendship bracelets bearing the words Bibe's Hive, after the charity
established in her memory, the to echo the kind worn
by Taylor Swift's fans, both William and Catherine more than
for the remainder of the day, Lauren King said of
the visit, it meant everything. It was really special. I
think we're really grateful anyway. How Beebe's been honored so
(10:13):
much in this school, and seeing the Prince and Princess
support that and be here, it's just been amazing. Afterwards,
the Prince addressed some seven hundred pupils, saying be brave,
be joyful, be kind. This playground is a symbol of
how the community has come together to create such a
positive place for the pupils of this school, a symbol
of remembrance and resilience, a testament that love will always
(10:33):
overcome a tragedy. Many lives were changed on that terrible day,
including countless members of this school community. BB Allison Elsie's
friends and classmates have come together to support each other
and remember the girls in their own way. Earlier in
the day, the couple had visited Farnborough Road Infant and
Junior School, where Elsie had been a pupil, and held
(10:53):
a private meeting with her parents, Jenny and David stan Kerne,
and they have it to email us addresses the Palace
Intrigue at gmail dot com. Please follow us on Spotify,
Apple or the app of your choice and leave us
a nice review. If you're enjoying the show, head on
over to Facebook to become part of the community there.
Just search for Palace Intrigue on Facebook groups or Facebook pages.
(11:17):
I'm mind Francis my thanks to John McDermott. This Palace
Intrigue in terms
Calorougus Shark Media.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to Palas Intrigue Game, your host Mark Francis.
The Royal family is facing renewed turmoil as divisions emerge
between King Charles and the Prince of Wales over how
to handle Sarah, Duchess of York, and Prince Andrew following
revelations about the Duchess's correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein. According to
a report in The Daily Mail, the King has resisted
(00:39):
calls to completely disown his brother and former sister in law,
pointing to their loyalty to both him and the Crown
in contrast with the Sussexes. However, he is said to
be under huge pressure to expel Sarah Ferguson permanently, after
emails showed her describing Epstein as a supreme friend and
apologizing to him for distancing herself publicly. In recent days,
(01:04):
at least seven charities have severed ties, with the Duchess
Teenage Cancer Trust, which she had supported for thirty five years,
announced she is no longer its patron, saying we have
made the decision to end our relationship with the Duchess
of York and as of today she is no longer
a patron of Teenage Cancer Trust. We would like to
(01:24):
thank the Duchess of York for her support. Other organizations,
including Julia's House Hospice Prevent Breast Cancer, the Natasha Allergy
Research Foundation and the British Heart Foundation have followed suit,
with the Natasha Foundation's founders saying we were disturbed to
read of Sarah, Duchess of York's correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein.
(01:48):
While the King is purportedly reluctant to cut ties with
the Yorks, the Prince of Wales is taking a firmer stance.
A royal source told the paper William feels even more
strongly than the King Andrew and Fergie are an embarrassment
and will be urging his father to act the optics
of that pair of chances guffoing away at events looks terrible.
(02:10):
William is said to favor barring both Andrew and Sarah
from attending public family events, including Christmas gatherings, and is
pressing for their eviction from a royal lodge, their thirty
room home near Windsor Castle. Andrew has so far resisted
a move to the smaller Frogmore Cottage. The correspondence at
the center of the scandal dates back to twenty eleven,
(02:30):
shortly after Sarah Ferguson apologized in the media for accepting
fifteen thousand pounds from Epstein. In an interview at the time,
she said, I abhor pedophilia and any sexual abuse of children,
and know that this was a gigantic error of judgment
on my behalf. I am just so contrite. I cannot say.
Whenever I can, I will repay the money and have
(02:51):
nothing ever to do with Jeffrey Epstein ever again. However,
barely a month later, she sent Epstein a private message
in which she wrote, I know you feel halacious let
down by me, and I must humbly apologize to you
and your heart for that. You have always been a steadfast,
generous and supreme friend to me and my family. She added,
Please understand I didn't want to hurt Andrew one more time.
(03:14):
I was in overriding fear. I am sorry. Lee Cohen
on gb News writes, for an institution that relies heavily
on public goodwill, the British monarchy cannot afford to be
held hostage by irresponsible, self serving members. This is not
an isolated misstep, but the culmination of a long trail
of questionable conduct, cash for access schemes, tone deaf interviews,
(03:38):
and the persistent perception that the Yorks have monetized royal
connections for personal gain. The royal family should now put
self preservation over sentiment. That means formal public distancing, revoking
titles where possible, removing references from official websites, and excluding
the Yorks from royal events and occasions. This is a cruelty.
(03:58):
It's stewardship. The crown belongs not just to the Windsors,
but to the nation it represents. Protecting it requires drawing
clear lines. The late beloved Queen was known for her
sense of duty and her ability to rise above personal grievances.
Honoring that legacy means defending the institution she upheld, not
enabling those who undermine it. For Skye News, Sean Coughlin
(04:20):
asks is the Epstein email one scandal too many for
Duchess of York? He writes, her fallibility has been part
of her likability. She is good with people, with an
outgoing friendliness and sense of fun, which is why charities
have previously wanted her as an ally. She didn't get
an invitation to the coronation of her ex brother in law,
but didn't moan about it. Then she appeared to be
(04:42):
back in the fold when in twenty twenty three she
was invited for a Royal Christmas at Sandringham, her first
time there in decades. The following Christmas there was more
royal approval for her, with grateful murmurings from the Palace
that she had helped persuade Prince Andrew to stay away
from family events of his involvement in the Chinese spy scandal.
(05:03):
She had also gained public respect for her energetic efforts
encouraging women to get checks after her own breast cancer
diagnosis and operation. But now this latest revelation is causing
profound problems. There couldn't be a more toxic connection than
with Epstein, and it is going to be particularly difficult
when so much of her charity work was associated with children.
(05:25):
In The Guardian, Marina Hired writes Epstein had given her money.
Of course, she says fifteen grand. Then again she says
a lot of things. The Duchess's debts were reported to
be five million pounds at the time. Because she has
always spent money other people's money like water. The more
I think about this fashionable line of defense, the more
bizarre I find it. If I had a wildly rich
and incredibly connected friend and they still ended up going
(05:47):
to prison for eighteen months, then I would simply assume
this friend had done the thing they were convicted of,
and most probably much worse. It's called being realistic. I'm
not saying everyone in the world should have known this
about Epstein. Back in two thousand and eight, Epstein obviously
cast things differently. In his Nutty Nyt interview, he likened
himself to Gulliver, shipwrecked among the diminutive denizens of Lilliput.
(06:10):
Gulliver's playfulness had unintended consequences, mister Epstein said, That is
what happens with wealth. There are unexpected burdens as well
as benefits. Do me a favor. And yet Fergie herself
has played a version of this tiny violin for decades
and will again now she has been found out again.
Her victim narrative has been surprisingly durable, even though she
has helped burn through more fortunes than almost every other
(06:33):
person on this planet will ever see twenty million pound
chalais and Verbia, the fifteen million pound Muckey mansion houses.
She never even moved into, eternal luxury holidays, endless retinues
of unnecessary staff. She has poured in more than some
of her charities. Ever, well, how many of her financial
empires have fallen, only for a new one to rise
(06:54):
again when some Kazakh, Oligark, Sex, Gulliver other mysterious billionaire
can mmediately turns up in the nick of time to
buy her out or bail her out. The King is
still doing it, probably dreading the deeper liability of her
being outside the tent. It's unclear quite how long that
will be able to hold if further emails between Prince
Andrew and Epstein emerge, as seems a distinct possibility. Whatever happens, however,
(07:19):
this is not victimhood. I'm sure one of Epstein's actual
victims could explain the difference more Palace in just a moment. Hey,
don't forget to check out our new series, Crown and
Controversy Season two is out. Also another spin off series,
Crown and Controversy Norway The Royal Rebels. We've talked about
the Norway group here and you might be familiar with
(07:42):
some of their deeds and misdeeds. It's a fascinating story.
Check it out wherever you get your podcasts. Crown and Controversy, Norway,
The Royal Rebels. Prince Harry has issued a stark warning
as a new U NEEDS short film was unveiled at
the United Nations General Astate in New York. The film
featuring Harry, aims to rally global support for HIV AIDS
(08:04):
programs at a time when funding is under severe strain.
In a statement, the Duke of Sussex said, right now
babies are being born with HIV due to interruptions in
anti retroviral treatment for their mothers. Without urgent action to
reverse these crippling funding cuts, six million more people will
become infected with HIV, while four million will die from
(08:25):
AIDS related causes with the next four years. It is
not just the at risk communities that will be affected.
We've proven that sustained investment saves lives and builds stronger communities.
Abandoning this life saving work now would be a devastating
betrayal of progress and the millions who depend on these
essential services. Harry has long been an advocate in the
(08:45):
fight against HIV leading initiatives in countries such as Botswana
and Lesotho, and even taking a public HIV test himself
in an effort to reduce stigma and encourage awareness. His
latest appeal comes amid concern that cuts to international AIDS
could undo decades of progress in tackling the epidemic. William
and Kate paid a subtle but moving tribute to the
(09:08):
victims of the Southport murders during an unannounced visit to
the town in July twenty twenty four. Nine year old
Alice da silver Agua, six year old bb King, and
seven year old Elise dot Standcombe were killed when their
Taylor Swift themed dance class was targeted by a knife
wielding teenager. On their second visit to the grief stricken community,
(09:28):
the Prince and Princess of Wales met privately with the
families of the three girls and spent time in their
schools to see how pupils and staff are coping. More
than a year on. At Churchtown Primary School, where Alison
Bbe had been pupils, the couple spoke with classmates and
toured a new playground built in the girls honor. They
alo met with Alice's parents Sergio and Alexandra Aguare, and
(09:50):
Bibe's parents, Lauren and Ben King, who gifted them bearded
friendship bracelets bearing the words Bibe's Hive, after the charity
established in her memory, the to echo the kind worn
by Taylor Swift's fans, both William and Catherine more than
for the remainder of the day, Lauren King said of
the visit, it meant everything. It was really special. I
think we're really grateful anyway. How Beebe's been honored so
(10:13):
much in this school, and seeing the Prince and Princess
support that and be here, it's just been amazing. Afterwards,
the Prince addressed some seven hundred pupils, saying be brave,
be joyful, be kind. This playground is a symbol of
how the community has come together to create such a
positive place for the pupils of this school, a symbol
of remembrance and resilience, a testament that love will always
(10:33):
overcome a tragedy. Many lives were changed on that terrible day,
including countless members of this school community. BB Allison Elsie's
friends and classmates have come together to support each other
and remember the girls in their own way. Earlier in
the day, the couple had visited Farnborough Road Infant and
Junior School, where Elsie had been a pupil, and held
(10:53):
a private meeting with her parents, Jenny and David stan Kerne,
and they have it to email us addresses the Palace
Intrigue at gmail dot com. Please follow us on Spotify,
Apple or the app of your choice and leave us
a nice review. If you're enjoying the show, head on
over to Facebook to become part of the community there.
Just search for Palace Intrigue on Facebook groups or Facebook pages.
(11:17):
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