August 23, 2023 • 54 mins
On this episode of Paranormal Odyssey, we welcome Joshua and Hunter to the program. They are the makers of the upcoming movie The Woodmen. The movie is about feral people in the Smokey Mountains of Tennessee. I had a great talk with these guys, and I’m sure you will enjoy!
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(00:01):
I was listening to the story aboutIt was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called thebig Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effortto steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in thatplay. Him behind me, Well,
nothing but a mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me
(00:25):
and taken both of my children,and I wouldn't know. His father just
got like a mustang or something.Why owing okay, he had it out
in the corral because he couldn't putit in the barn with the in the
stalls, with the other horses thatwould kick and made all the other oneses
nervous. At a seminal Indian workingthe horse, trying to break it every
(00:48):
day, they had it out inthe growl. This skunk game snuck up
behind his horse and grabbed it bonnets, hind quarters. This particular horse kicks
out, jumps over the corral,runs into the pair, you know,
to get away. At this pointthe rancher's out there just blested away with
the thirty thirty skunk gave lends itsaid the swamp. I went up there
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one day after that or two daysafter that, I went up there and
sat in the silence up there,and I'm telling you, man, it
was free. It was crazy,you know it was. There was a
crazy vibe up there. Still.I did what I could to kind of
get things under control. But Itold her, I said, you didn't
even get off this problem. Ifeel like, no matter how strong you
are, it's almost like standing inthe ocean, you can't stand still without
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moving your feet. You're gonna getknocked over eventually. No matter how strong
whatever, you can't withstand a barrageof a weird spiritual energy. Hey,
what's up everybody, as Wayne,Welcome back to Paranormal Odyssey. Got a
good one lined up for you guys. Today, I had a chance to
sit down with Joshua and Hunter.They are the creators of the new and
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upcoming movie The Woodman. Josh isthe writer and director, and Hunter is
one of the lead actors and alsoa producer of the movie. A couple
of really really cool guys. Themovie is about Beryl people up in the
Smoky Mountains. I had a reallygood talk with those guys. Found it
some of the stuff they're talking aboutreally really interesting, And I'm excited to
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bring it to you. But beforewe get there, guys, if you
would please take a second to gorate and review the show wherever it is
you get your podcast. If you'vehad an encounter and we'd like to come
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Also, guys, want to remindeveryone about Paranormal Odyssey Live, which is
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subscribe button if you haven't done soalready. All right, that's enough of
all of that. I know youare ready. I'm ready. The guys
are backstage and ready to go,So let's get started. How you doing,
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gentlemen? We doing good? Howare you guys? I appreciate it.
We've been working on this spur alittle while. I had to postpone
it once or twice, but butwe got you here. How's it going.
It's going great here for sure.I mean I always love seeing that
teaser trailer. It's really cool.Yep, yep seeing here. Yeah.
I'm doing good. Just actually currentlyon vacation in my family right now.
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But taking some time to jump onand talk about this with you guys.
So I'm looking forward to it.Yeah, we appreciate that. Now,
Joshua, you are the writer anddirector and enter you are one of the
leads in the movie as well asan executive producer. You are a part
of the production company Hunter, andgo ahead and tell us a little bit
about that company. Well, it'sthe company is called Horror Dad's Productions.
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I'm an actor form, but basicallyjust a group of dads that work you
know, every regular you know,work regular day jobs as well, and
we decided that we wanted to gettogether and start making movies. And we've
been very fortunate and blessing the movieswe've made to be on multiple streaming platforms
and seen by a lot of people. I love them, and you know,
love what we do. So Icouldn't ask for anything better when we
get to get together and make projectslike these, cool, very cool.
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Joshua, where did the idea forthis movie come from? You know,
kind of like we chatted a littlebit before. I've been a fan of
just all things strange. I guessit would be the way that I put
it since I was a little kid. I think when I was maybe eight
years old, by a step momvisited her family out east. She came
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back with a gay magazine or abook called Weird New Jersey, if anybody's
familiar with that at all, andI read a bunch of stories in that,
and I was like, holy God, they kind of like open this
whole idea, and then you know, eventually just inundated myself with all sorts
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of cryptids. You know, thisis why I kind of tackled moth Man
with my first film. It's justbecause it's something that always interested me,
and I felt like, if Iwas going to make a movie, it's
got to be something that I aminterested in and something that I feel personally
passionate about. And for the Woodman, particularly here. The past few years,
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I've been pretty interested in the fourone one series that David Politis put
out. And I know he's he'snot a huge fan of talking about what's
kind of going on. He justhas, you know, his set of
rules or his criteria that that certaindisappearances have to meet. But I thought
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the idea that feral humans have somethingto do with it was an interesting one,
and I felt it was something thatneeded to be tackled, especially in
the found footage horrors genre. Yeah, yeah, I agree, And a
lot of the people watching here noticedthat. You know, when I played
the trailer, the very first personor the second person, you see,
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there's miss Connor. Flan. Connoris a brand of the show. He
is a buddy of mine. He'sbeen on a couple of times. He
was a speaker at my annual campingevent that I hold every year. He
was a speaker last year at it, and he's been doing a lot of
stuff. How'd you, guys gethooked up with with Connor? I mean,
(06:32):
I don't know how he got hookedup with that'd be him. I
just made kind of now. Yeah, so I love him so sorry about
that, guys. I am actuallyhiding birthday presents in the van right now
for my kid. I'm trying towrestle them right now. Anyways, when
it comes to Connor, he actuallyapproached me and he has to be a
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part of it, and that's kindof like how our relationship kind of got
started there and I, yeah,I'd love to have you on because he
seemed super ambitious. He was hewas a go getter and he really came
to life on set and really helpedus out. So it was something that
I was blessed enough to have himin. And his actual inclusion in the
film itself happened just hours before wefilmed those scenes because we had somebody missed
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a flight that came out and wehad no idea that, but we really
didn't know what to do, andthen Connor kind of stepped up and him
and the other actress that he sharesa scene with, Bailey Harrington, they
kind of worked something out. Theykind of took what we scripted and they
kind of went from there, soit worked out very cool. Yeah,
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I mean that's just kind of howI met Connor was on set of the
movie, you know, and hekind of told me that he ended up
getting apart because of the actor whomissed a flight. And I'm glad he
did, man, because he's he'sone cool guy. And I'm looking at
the you know, all the commentsand stuff, like everybody loves him.
So he's a good guy. Iwant as many friends as Connor has.
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Yeah. Yeah, Connor, He'she's a ball of energy. Man.
I don't know how he does it. He's all over the place more than
I am, yeah, absolutely ahunter. How many? Uh? Yeah.
You and I talked briefly before,and you had had shared with me
that acting is really your passion isare these the only movies that you've ever
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acted in? And is that yourgoal to something that you want to pursue
long term? Oh, I don'tthink I'll ever stop acting. That is,
like you said, my one ofmy biggest passions to do. It
just makes me happy. I definitelydon't feel like I'm working by any means.
I have a lot of fun doingit. I've been in several movies
now, a lot of cameo appearances. This is the first time I was
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really a bigger character, for sure. But ever since this movie, I
mean there's been I've had a lotof people reach out just for different things.
I don't know if it's post orstuff. I've been on the news
for it, and so I've justbeen very blessed with everything that's been coming
this way. And but no,I've been in like Mothman, Tahoe Joe
cameo appearances, The Woodman, Ghost, and the list goes on. You
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know, there's other stuff. Justa brief little cameo in a movie called
Macaw Mountain. That's not found footagethough, But I mean, I don't
know. I just it's insane theamount of stuff I've been in all of
a sudden, that's just kind oflike I can't even wrap my head around
how busy I've been lately. I'min like three in the next week and
a half. So oh wow,Okay, okay, Joshua, Yes,
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No, as you kind of stated, the movie is it's bound footage based.
Do you find that as I mean, is that more challenging a top
movie to make? Or is thata little bit easier? Would you say?
To be honest, it's It's theonly thing I've made. I've never
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actually worked a set where we shotanything traditionally, So and from the pre
production side and then the actual productionside, I would say it is fairly
easier just having you know, conversationswith fellow filmmakers and everything like that.
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You know, it us being fulltime workers, you know, out in
the field and everything like that foryou know, our own day jobs and
stuff like. Long stretches of timeare hard to come by, especially when
you got all like your in vacationand stuff. So and and found footage
films are fairly easier and quicker toshoot. So that also helps because you
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know, I can only get likefive days off in a row every so
often, so we got to kindof work with that, and I think
that that is something that I'm goingto stick with for a while because it's
also something that I love too.You know, I fell in love with
found footage when I first watched Blairwith back when I was like nine years
old, and uh, it's it'sreally the most interesting type of horror to
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me personally. I know, somepeople just absolutely do not like it.
It turns them off totally. Butthen I also have know people that that
is like the only stuff they watch, so it's it's kind of niche a
little bit. But yeah, Iwould say it's fairly easier because you don't
have a whole lot to set up. You don't have a lot of downtime
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that is consumed by moving cameras aroundand things like that, moving lighting.
You know, we did some lightingand stuff like that for Woodman, but
not a whole lot. I mean, kind of rely on the environment.
And yeah, it's just a loteasier to work with. We get running
gun, we don't have to youknow, block anything out really, So
it helped a lot. It helpsus, you know, small time production
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guys to get movies done and todo them well too. So yeah,
yeah, I would. I wouldimagine. So I've talked about a couple
of times on this show. Myregulars have a story. But my daughter,
I've got a two year old daughterthat when she was nine months old,
she got cast to play in aTV show for Peacock. It was
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the friend of the Family thing.I don't know, it's a pretty big
deal. She made like a thousandbucks. She was nine months old and
brought in a thousand bucks. Andwe had to take her five different times
to Atlanta for the shooting and shewas only being that young. You know.
We had to get special clearance fromthe state for her to work and
all that stuff. And she wasonly allowed to be out for no more
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than four hours a day, orit might have been two hours a day
is all that she could work.And how much time between sets between takes.
It. Look, I was justamazed with That's got to be the
way these found footage movies. Thathas to be the way to go in
my opinion, if you're gonna makea movie, because they did the same
since probably ten times with my daughter. But they would stop and move all
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the lights, put people in differentpositions, and do the exact same thing,
and it will take like thirty minutesbetween said I mean, it was
insane to see how much work actuallygoes into putting something on for television.
And I gained a whole new respectfor him for just that little bit that
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that I was involved in it.It sounds like the found footage movies is
kind of the way to go.I just watched one yesterday, I think
Willow Creek. Yeah, if yougot familiar with the big Foot, so
Joshua, from that time you decideyou want to make this movie, that
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it's in your head until the timethat you are done, completely done,
how long did that take? Ithink? Me and the guy is I
kind of you know, it kindof started with Yeah, I was watching
I believe one of the Missing fourOnes actually, and you know, another
member of the Horror Dads, DylanBrown, We're all in a in a
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big group chat together, so wetalked to each other every day all throughout
the day, and I kind ofasked him, you know, because they
were talking about hikers and people campingand stuff. I'm like, how,
how like how legal is it toto kind of just just go off into
a national park and camp and dothat stuff. So we just kind of
chatted a little bit about that,and then I started talking about, you
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know, this idea that that Berylhumans and everything like that exist and everything,
and we kind of talked about alittle bit and that's kind of where
it started. And that was Juneof twenty twenty two, so just a
little over a year ago, andI kind of I put that story together
in my head. I wrote itdown eventually, and I spent some time
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because I had to finish moth Man, and then we kind of promoted that
and I carried that into the fall, and I started picking up pre production
in January and then from there,I think we launched the kickstarter in March,
and we started shooting early July.July sixth was our our first day,
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and we wrapped our June sixth,excuse me, in June twelfth was
the last day of shooting. Soabout them about a year it took,
but the big heavy stuff was aboutsix months of planning and the actual shooting
was only about six days. Yousaid, right, Yeah, about about
five days. We we you know, killed the day traveling, but yeah,
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it was about five days. Wow, that's crazy, that's crazy.
And I was interested to find youbefore we came on. I asked you
about the actual where you shot andeverything, because you're the story is based
out of the Smoky Mountains. Butyou said you all did most of your
film in North Georgia in the BlueRidge Mountains, right, Yes, we
did, you know. I thinkone one thing I would do differently in
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the future would be given myself moretime because by the time I secured funding
through the crowdfunding campaign, it didn'tleave me a whole lot of options as
far as locations go and things likethat. And then I also needed to
house, you know, upwards often people at a time, and I
did want to shoot in eastern Tennessee, actually not too far from Blue Ridge
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anyways, because I believe Blue Ridgeis just right over the border there,
and I just could not we cannotfind anything that was suitable for us.
So my assistant director, Laura Rodriguez, actually had a really good friend.
His name is Travis. He appearsin the movie as well. He has
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family in that area and they kindof you know, took me out of
virtual scouting scouting operation and I lovedit, and there was you know,
way more lodging opportunities for us there. So we just kind of settled that,
you know, you gotta sometimes whenit comes, you know, down
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to crunch time, you just gottayou know, get over it and you
know, move locations and things.But I think it totally worked out because
the locations that we got, youknow, match my imagery that I wanted
anyway, So it totally worked.All right. We got our first question,
you guys not mister Carson asked Joshuaand Hunter do you believe the Barrel
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people to be factor piction or alittle boat? So? I guess your
personal beliefs in the Barrel people.I mean, I guess I'm first on
this one though, if you don'tmind, josh go ahead. I'm kind
of a skeptic when it comes toanything. And I say that, you
know, coming from a guy thatran a paranormal investigation group at a private
Catholic university where I went to college, I take everything kind of with a
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grain of salt, you know.I look for explanations, I guess you
could say. So, I mean, I don't know. Man, there's
a lot of on explored wilderness inthe United States. I mean, hundreds
of thousands, if not millions,of square miles of dense woods that have
never you know, had a personever there. So you know, I
very well could be you know,I mean, there's been on contact with
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people in the world today, youknow, on islands and stuff. So
who knows. You know, it'sa big, big country, very true,
now, Josh, wait, thinkyeah, and I'm kind of yeah,
me and and U are almost kindof the opposite, right, So
I'm I love this stuff with apassion and and I do believe a lot
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of the things that that I know, a lot of stories that I've read
and things like that, you know, I I believe in Bigfoot and everything
like that as well. And yeah, fairly humans, that's definitely something that's
that I think is possible, onlybecause you know, some of these large
sections of land are you know,uncharted, and we really don't know.
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It's kind of going on and backthere, and it does leave like a
big question as to what's going on. So and and like Hunter said,
you know, like we're still finding, you know, sections of populations of
humans that are existing outside the boundariesof you know, normal society. So
I think in one hundred percent plausible, stay tuned for more paranormal Odyssey.
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Yeah. I kind of kind ofagree with you there, Josh, I
have pulled up. This was akind of a production you see it,
Josh, Yes again, Yeah,you were telling me that you did that
for the Kickstarter, right, that'skind of a production poster, correct.
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Yeah. Yeah, if we putthat together, it's got to Hunter on
there, it's got to Dan Grogan. He plays doctor SCOTL. Rose.
She saw from the trailer. He'she plays an anthropologist that has sort of
dedicated his life to proving that,you know, these sections of populations of
humans exist and should be you know, either protected or observed. And and
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then Gal there Don Becker. Heis played by Anna Clary and she's another
lead actress. And then the story. She's actually a fitness influencer, so
she has, you know, aYouTube community that kind of follows her everywhere
she goes. And she just recentlylost her father and one of his favorite
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locations was the Great Smoky Mountains,and you know, she decides to head
into the woods and spread his asheswhere where he kind of wanted her to,
and you know, she just kindof gets lost and caught up in
the mess that's scottlar Oshean Ben Loganfind themselves in. So okay, So
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that's what I was kind of goingto get asked Hunter to to do a
little bit of you know, yousee that that's you Hunter there, you
play Ben Logan correct now without givingaway you know, too much of the
movie, because we want everyone togo out and watch the movie. But
tell us a little bit about whathappens in the movie. Again, don't
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you know, give everything away,but you know, just just walk us
through it a little bit. Yeah, I mean an online video is found
I've released out there, which kindof sparks doctor Scottlarosh's curiosity to go out
that way and this my help.But we go on the woods and we
get ourselves in a little bit oftrouble, like Josh said, and you
know, there's like there's just thatdynamic with the the people and other rangers
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and stuff like that that kind ofcreate a little bit of conflict in the
story. And I mean really goesfrom there, you know, because of
that videos in the week and himcoming to meet you play a park ranger,
Right I do, Yeah, Iplay a park ranger. Yeah.
Okay, all right, all right, very cool? All right. Yeah,
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we talked a little bit Josh beforewe got going about I asked you
if you mind going over like thefinancial aspect of making a movie, because
I know, myself included, alot of people are are interested in that,
and is that something that you careto talk about a little bit about.
I know that you you launch,you had to kick or kickstarter to
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raise fund. How did that go? And and how does the financial thought
of making a movie work? Yeah, so, you know, crowdfunding is
difficult. We see a lot ofpeople super successful with it. I've been
successful with it, but it isa lot of work. It's it's everyday
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dedication, right You're sharing, posting, sending it to friends and family,
sending it to anybody that will actuallyput their eyeballs on it and and also
feel the same passion that you doabout the project itself. So it's it's
a tedious task, you know.But for young independent filmmakers, you know,
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sometimes that's a necessity because we alwayswe can't always you know, find
the funding for that stuff because filmmakingking be kind of expensive. If you
don't have the resources at hand todo it yourself. And so that's basically
where we're at. When we startedthe kick funding or quick starter campaign crowdfunder,
and we knew going in, sohe had set a goal for about
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three thousand dollars and at that timeI was wanting to bring on other more
you know, private investors to kindof you know, bridge the gap there.
But actually the kickstarter blew up andwent from three thousand, and by
the time we were done after fortyfive days, we had hit almost nine
thousand dollars and I was able toactually I met somebody. His name is
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Louis Lavella. He is one ofthe producers on the movie as well.
He came in and helped us outfinancially a little bit more too, So
that was pretty awesome. And sowe were able to you know, top
the budget out at about eleven grandand that covered everything everything, so,
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uh, you know, traveling costsfor certain people flying in and out,
you know, booking the locations wastough. All the props, everything else
that kind of goes into it,uh, you know, ate up the
entire thing. So it actually workedout really well because going in you start
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a budget and you really don't knowwhat to expect because anything can happen while
you're on set, anything at all, like the worst of the worst.
You know, I already mentioned,you know that we had an actor,
Missus Flight. We kind of hadto impromptu Connor into the movie, and
I think that that worked out well. So certain things are blessings in disguise,
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but sometimes you kind of go overbudget sometimes, you know, I
put a little bit of my ownmoney into certain aspects of things. But
certainly I feel like I spent morethis time around on props and costumes and
things for Woodman than I did,you know, moth Man. But overall,
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I think we did well. Now, you know, you kind of
mentioned that, you know, thingscan go wrong in the making of a
movie. I'm I'm assuming that youhad to have some type of medical professionals
on set. Did you have todo that? We did not, you
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know, because it's kind of thesince we're not a Screen Actors Guild,
you know, we're not SAG oranything like that. We're not independent,
We're not required for anything. Butit did make me feel good because I
do know that Hunter has a backgroundin in police work and we knew that
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he was there, and I hada couple other people that were on set
that I knew. We're CPR certifiedin First Aid certified, so that helped
because I did. I mean,this was a pretty physical shoot for our
actors and everybody involved, because therewas a lot of hiking and and a
lot of you know, you know, fighting and struggling in certain scenes and
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things like that. So that wasthat was a concern, but we were
I mean, when we go intoit, you know, obviously safety is
our our main objective. But yeah, luckily enough, nobody nobody got hurt
on set and everybody was good.Yeah, very cool, Very cool.
Now you talked about having to findthe actual place to to to do the
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shooting. Now did is that anational forest the part that you were in.
How do you go about securing thatlocation? And did that cost anything
or were there permits involved or didy'all just go out in the woods and
start shooting. Yeah? So,uh, it was all private land,
so nothing was when we didn't haveto secure any state permits or anything like
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that. They're at the We werereally close actually too. I believe it's
the Chattahoochee National forests there, anduh, it was it was going to
be a ninety day process for avideo for filming, they're anywhere on the
premise, so that was kind ofout of limits for us. So we
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ended up finding some private land thatwe were able to shoot on and that
kind of saved us time and moneytoo, because those things are can can
get kind of expensive. Yeah,yeah, I'm sure now, Hunter,
you can answer jump in and answerthis one if you want to. I'm
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curious to like how much research y'allwent into into this role actually looking into
Pharao people. And Josh told meearlier that it was hard to really do
research on Pharaoh people because it usuallyturned into big boot stuff. I mean,
did you on that as a problem, Hunter, or did you do
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any research into Parol people. Youknow, we just kind of discussed a
lot of the stuff that we hadheard are you know, maybe experience watching
other movies. I kind of liketo inspire some of the ideas in terms
of my character. I guess speakingfrom me, the research I did,
I just kind of you know,used and tapped into a lot of my
law enforcement experience to gain the personalityI wanted in this movie. And then
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I would take inspiration from characters Ireally like seeing on TV Shane Welsh from
The Walking Dead. John Burnthall playsthat character. I tried to inspire a
little bit of my character after him, just because I wanted to be a
little bit more standoffish with the idea. My character has a large arc over
multiple movies, and the more itgoes on, the harder my character gets
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in terms of, you know,who he is and his personality. So
any research that came from that,I just kind of came from experience in
my own personal life. But I, you know, just in terms of
Ferrol humans, just inspirations from storieswe I have heard campfire stories or other
other movies that might have something similarto that concept and idea. Okay,
Joshua, same question, but howhow did you bond did the research into
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barrel humans? How did that gofor you? Yeah, like I said,
it was, it's kind of difficultto try to, you know,
decipher between what people really experience.You know, there's some that are you
know, like straight up witnessed thisperson very human like creature you know,
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off in the distance, didn't seemto really I personally couldn't find too many
stories where people had full on interactionswith with feral humans, but just me,
my negligence and not my negligence,my my research skills, maybe lacking
there in resources as far as whereto actually look for this stuff. So
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yeah, like you said too,a lot of it seemed to boil down,
like the debate always you know,started going off into the bigfoot realm,
and that's kind of what I wantedto stay away from. It's an
idea that we play with obviously inthe beginning of the film that you know,
our two characters, Connor Flynn playinghim himself basically and Bailey Harrington playing
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Atlanta Heywood, that they are Bigfootresearchers, you know, going out into
the wilderness trying to figure out what'sgoing on, and maybe some of the
disappearances in that area recently had somethingto do with you know, sasquatch,
and you know, as the movieunfolds, we kind of realized that it's
something a little bit more human.So yeah, I yes, go ahead.
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Yeah, we got another question foryou from Carson and I was gonna
ask this one, but he beatme do it. Was there any strange
things that went on during filming Beer, Yeah, we did well. Not
very strange. We did encounter abear at our lodging that I had to
scare off, but strange. No, And I kind of wanted something to
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happen, to be honest with you, because I'm always a fan of like
wanting to experience things myself. Buthonestly, I think we had too many
people on set shapsing through the woodsat the same time, and if there
was anything out there watching us,it was keeping assistance. So yeah,
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go ahead, Oh, it's justnot the bears. They didn't keep their
distance. No, No, notthem, not them. There were there
were certain things, you know thatthat made us a little leery, you
know, because one day we showedup to film an extended night scene and
one of the guys on set,Travis I mentioned earlier, is that that's
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from that area. Kind of sawevidence of maybe, you know, big
cats written around in the dirt andeverything like that. So that made us
a little leary. But nothing nothingsupernatural, unnatural. Nothing that's that's scared
the hell out of us. Okay, very cool, cool, Yeah,
Josh, you and I spoke alittle bit about the Dennis Martin case before
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we came on, and my audienceknows how fascinated I am with that case
and just how tragic it is.And you uh, you said, that's
actually mentioned a couple of times inthe movie, right, you'll you'll talk
about the Jennis Martin case. Yeah, Connor brings it up a little bit,
and it's sort of the story thatScott Looche kind of springboards off of,
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kind of heading into it. Okay, what are your personal thoughts on
on the the Dennis Mortin case.Yeah, so I I personally do think
that that is one of the situationsin which, you know, peral people
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were involved. It doesn't sound tome personally like like a big foot story
because some of the characteristics are youknow, out of what you normally see
with big foots. Right, So, you know, just the fact that
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they were abducting a child, Ithink I couldn't I couldn't imagine maybe why
the sasquatch would do it, right, So, you know, the idea
that maybe a fair human clan wasbringing somebody, you know, into their
own makes a little bit more sensefor me. That that's that's that helps
at all? Hunter. Do youhave any thought on the on the Dennis
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Morton case. Yeah, I'm kindof right there with Josh. I haven't
looked into it as much as probablya lot of people who are familiar with
but just the basic grasp that Ihave of it, I just have to
agree most of most of what Ilearned from was Connor, and I feel
that people having conversations about it whileon set, and then just a couple
of little articles here and there,and I smarting case until I started looking
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into Big Butt, and that's allpeople really want to It's the big Butt
people that talk about the case.And the more you look into the case,
the more you think Big Boot probablydidn't have anything at all to do
with it. You know, theKey family for miles away, all this,
as mister Key described it, anunkept man was something over his shoulder
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running up the hill, you know. And I don't know, I don't
think, just my personal opinion,you know what people say about opinions.
All right, where can we findthe movie at? Guys? Is it
out yet? It is not.We are currently seeking distribution for it right
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now. So my producer Louis,he's kind of you know, taking the
reins here and in hunting down someleads for us to maybe hit some some
decent streaming platforms with it soon.I'd like to have something secured by the
end of September, so I thinkwe'll have a better idea come October,
(36:27):
when I'd like a release sometime lateNovember. I know we kind of discussed
a October release date, but personallyI feel as though that that is a
time where the market is just saturatedwith every other filmmaker wanting to release something
during the Halloween season, right,So we kind of want to back off
a little bit on that and giveeverybody something to watch around Thanksgiving time.
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Okay, how does you know,if you don't mind, tell us how
that process works. That's something I'minterested in. You put in the time
and the money to make this movie, and you've got it all done and
ready. What is that next stepto get it in front of people?
How does that work? Basically,we just submit the film to distribution companies
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and they give us you know,a yea or name. Really, it's
up to them whether it's a moviethat they feel like their company can stand
behind. And once you know,the process begins. They sort of put
together contract and they say, basically, this is what we're gonna do for
you. This is how much we'regoing to invest in as a company to
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help promote the film. Sometimes otherdistribution companies don't, you know. I
worked with Indie Rates for Mofman,and they don't help with any type of
marketing. So sometimes that's something that'sleft up to the filmmaker themselves to get
their own movie out there once ithits platforms, and for indie make indie
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filmmakers and things. Probably the mostthat we could get would be to get
on a good, decent handful streamingplatforms, because that's really that that's what
exists now, you know. Ithink a lot of these companies are finding
that you know, DVD and Bluray production unless you've got millions of dollars
you know, worth of just playmoney. I guess selling physical media just
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really doesn't seem to be something they'reinterested in. But you know, getting
the film out there on streaming seemsto be, you know, the easiest,
quickest way to get it into youknow, to the masses. It's
generally a process that can take anywherefrom six months to a year once you
sign a contract, because filmmakers haveto get their film together and also package
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it together. Most of the timeindie indie film distribution companies want you to
put together you know, like yourcaptions that's all done separately, music tracks
and things like that, and sometimesthey require documentation as far as location releases,
actor releases and things like that,so nobody can come back and say
(39:13):
that I didn't you approve of thisand for that. So a lot of
that is obtained and once all thatsaid and done, you know, they
generally work with what we call filmaggregators that work with distribution or streaming platforms
like to Be for instance, isa big one, and once the distribution
company submits those films to these aggregators, then it can take, like I
(39:36):
said, anywhere from six months toa year for you know, our movies
to show up. Some more popularstreaming platforms can actually help land actual relief
states just because they're established. Butmost of the time, you know,
like Indie Rights, they told me, they're like, hey, we're live
on Amazon. Our Amazon gave usthe thumbs up, so it can be
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any day now, which is usuallyhow it goes kind of, so stay
tuned for more Paranormal Odyssey. It'sa lengthy process, you know, once
we signed the contract because most ofthe time, these distribution companies give you
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only anywhere from sixty to ninety daysto prepare everything you have, so it
gets ultra crunched to get everything doneand submitted. In a lot of the
times, they want you to mailin a SSD that's got all this information
on there, so I only haveto get it all together. You have
to mail it all out to himand hopefully it gets there in suitable order.
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It's nerve wracking, but once everything'sgood to go in the green lights
bright, it's it's an exciting feeling. No, I bet? I bet?
Now the movie your Your previous moviewas moth Man? Correct? Yeare?
Can we find it? Who?Who ended up with it? Yep?
So Indie Rights distributed. Like Isaid, it is currently available now
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on QB for free with ads.Believe, it's on YouTube on their YouTube
channel free with ads. It's onAmazon to rent or buy, and I
believe it's going to be hitting otherplatforms in the future. Like I said,
that can take a long time too, so it's kind of just whenever
I notice it popping up at otherplaces. You know. Plex is another
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one that Indie Rights seems to puta lot of their stuff on so right
now, I mean Amazon and toB are good and you know that that
that reaches you know, a wideaudience, so that that's that's helpful.
Yeah, Now, places like tobe that you said it's free with advertisements
(41:50):
can make money off of that.You know. That's that's an interesting question.
That kind of is a question morefor a distribution company because I believe
your paid purview obviously, and youknow, I've heard things you know about
like to be like a person.You know, a typical viewer has to
watch a movie on TB for morethan twenty minutes before I could count towards
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you know, the filmmaker or thedistribution company and uh, and they kind
of make money off of, youknow, the ads that the viewers are
watching. So I think right nowtoo, that's a big topic that you
know, indie filmmakers like to discussbecause you know, back years before streaming,
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you know, we kind of laughedand joked to you know, piracy
and things like that. But youknow, piracy is is a real thing
for you know, indie filmmakers becausewe make our money off of those ads.
I mean, that's what you know, that's where we are earning our
keep for these films in that way. So if somebody's you know, streaming
ripping them off of like to Beand things like that, you know that
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that's that's a big concern for us. You know. So you know all
these ad based channels and things likethat, that's basically where where everything lies
is in you know, watching adson these uh on these streaming platforms.
Yeah, I mean it's the sameway. I'm a podcaster obviously. I
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mean, we're gonna we'll take thiswhat we're talking about tonight, and then
I'll upload it and release it tothe podcast form. And I have a
much much larger audience and podcast thanI do on YouTube. And you get
the people every once in a whilethat complain about the ads. Yeah,
yeah, this one guy said,no, podcasting is free, Why do
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you have to put ads in it? How the head podcasting free? I
mean all this equipment I've got righthere where I mean, do somebody get
it to me? Yeah? Amonthly feed that it costs to get out
and podcasting is not free, andby that's how we make our money.
You know, people complain about thispre content that they're getting that they're not
(44:06):
having to pay a dom for,but they've got to stop every you know,
twenty minutes, which happens to betwice in an episode to listen to
like three ads. Yeah, andmost of the time you can skip them
after ten seconds absolutely, yeah.Yeah, podcast you to wait ten seconds,
you just start pass forward thirty toskip thirty seconds ahead, you know,
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just do it and shut up?Hunter. What what's what's next for
you, buddy? You got anythingon the horizon? Yeah, I've got,
like, actually, I've got afew things that had popped up just
over the course of last week,just like little appearances in a couple of
movies in Michigan, Ohio. Uh, and then Josh and I have one
(44:52):
coming later this year. I thinka few other things maybe or at least
sometime in the future. I'm actuallydirecting my own U. I can't tell
you exact day or date, butI know that it's a big collaboration between
everybody at Horror Ads to want toget something that I've been working on and
that we've all been working on forquite a while. So it'll be kind
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of not really my directorial debut,but it'll be my first feature that I'm
going to step into a little bitof a different of a role. I'm
gonna still act in it, butwhere I will hope direct alongside these guys
too. So that's that's definitely something. So I've got I'm busy. I'm
I'm very busy with a lot ofthings coming up. Oh yeah, that's
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exciting. Man, good do gooddo? What about you, Josh?
What's coming up in the future?Yeah, so we are. I'm personally
working on something on side. Can'tdiscuss anything about it really right now,
but that's gonna pick up. That'sgonna take up my September and October,
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and I'm kind of kind of leave, you know, the end of the
year open, so I could focuson promoting Woodman and then next year I
want to jump actually into pre productionfor Woodman Part two. Oh, this
is gonna be a sequel. Verycool, yep, very cool. Do
you I guess, either of you? Do you see yourselves working on anything
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Sasquats related in the future. Yeah, oh yeah. Are you familiar with
Tahoe Joe? I'm not. That'sa that's a horror dance production movie made
by one of our associates, DylanBrown. Blew up on a lot of
social media platforms for a little bitcurrently located on two We probably the easiest
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place to find it and watch it. He's doing a part two for that,
so that's the biggest. The movieis called Taho Joe yep. Okay,
all right about you, Josh uhNo, I'm gonna be uh Actually,
Hunch and I are going to behelping on Tahoe Joe Part two,
and Hunter will be reprising his roleas Ben Logan on that movie as well.
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Wait, wait, very cool.I played Ben Logan and just about
everything I act in, so almostalmost everything the actual character Ben Logan or
a character similar to Ben Logan.No, I just all of our movies
are connected from the horror dads whatwe do, and one way, shape
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or form common connection right now ismy reoccurring character of Ben Logan. There
are obviously other movies I've been inwhere I'm not Ben Logan, but that's
just kind of like the staple wemake a joke about how many footage movies
am I going to reprise my roleas this character? With all this stuff
we've got going on in our heads, and yeah, we want to break
the bad Ben? What is it? I think the same characters up to
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like thirteen times in one movie orin a series, so he's competition.
Yeah, okay, all right,So looking back, Josh, on everything
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that the first two movies that you'vemade, what have you learned from those
movies? And is there anything thatyou would do differently someone starting out wanting
to make movies, what advice wouldyou give them, what to do and
what to try not to do?You know, I would first and foremost
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say take your time, don't rushanything, do what you're passionate about,
and then kind of go from there. Don't worry about, you know,
the tiny little details, because theywill be come super consuming, they'll take
over. But don't never lose sightof your vision. And as long as
you can maintain that and uh andmake it make an orderly film. Don't
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also worry about having to make itthis big, grandstanding production, right like,
you don't need to do you know, thirty forty people involved. You
don't need to work for two weeksat a time. You don't need to.
You know, you could space itout a little bit. I've been
fortunate enough to be able to knockmine out in a row, but I
appreciate the people who do have thechances to kind of work around their own
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schedule as well, So just don'tconfine yourself to certain things and you'll be
good. Okay, all right,a hunter, same question to you.
But you know, obviously actor based, someone that wants to start acting and
get into this, what what wouldyou tell them to do? You know,
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just audition to anything, you know, audition everything. Expect to be
told no, but don't let thateat you alive. I mean, I'm
not the best actor in the world, but I've been fortunate enough to be
in the movies I have been inthe movies I'm gonna be in and you
know I'm I'm twenty seven, Soit can happen to any point in life,
whether you're twenty seven, nine monthsold, or you know, in
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your sixties. Just don't give upon it and have fun doing it and
step out of your comfort zone alittle bit. Because I'm a very reserved
guy. A lot of that comesfrom law enforcement and all that, you
know, all the bad stuff Ihad to experience with them, So I'm
not like a super outgoing guy allthe time, but I definitely step out
of my comfort zone to accomplish anything, you know, and just don't give
up because they're gonna be people.No matter how many people love it,
they're gonna be people that hate youand people I don't like it. So
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it doesn't matter what people think.I'm doing it for me and you know,
hopefully I can make a huge careerout of it one day. That's
the goal, and I can takecare of my family and you know,
friends of mine and the company andkeep going. So just don't give up
and be yourself. Very cool,great, great advice. Where we're right
here at the hour mark, andthat's where we usually cut it off.
(50:46):
But I want to give you guysan opportunity to plug anything that you want
to plug. I know we've beentalking about the Woodman, but if you
got that, guys, have anysocial media or anything else that you are
working on that you want people togo and check out. Now, is
it's a chance to do that.Yeah. So anybody can find me on
(51:07):
anything. I'm on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, super easy. Everything's usually
just JD. Brucker or Joshua Bruckersame. I mean social media. I
don't care. I accept a lotof people that want to be my friend
and talk and it doesn't matter tome. I'm a pretty nice guy and
you know, horrid as productions.Look how far our movies they're all connected.
(51:27):
We call it the crypto verse.So Mothman, Tahoe, Joe,
the Woodman, the movies continue onfor a while, especially with ideas,
and just we can do that,you know, and let's keep going from
there. Really very cool, verycool. Yeah. If there's any links
or anything you guys want to sharewhen we get done, just make sure
(51:49):
you send those to me, andwhen I upload it to the podcast,
I'll make sure to add that sopeople can check you out. All right,
guys, I want to take theopportunity to thank you for spending an
hour with me, coming and answeringsome questions and hanging out. I appreciate
you, guys. Hey, itwas really fun. I appreciate you having
me on. Sorry, I'm sotired of man. That nap was crazy.
(52:12):
Yeah, no problems. I'm nothappy to be here. Yeah,
very good, Very good, guys. I hope you enjoyed the rest of
your evening. And uh and we'lltalk soon. Hey, thank you so
much. Sounds good. They sayyou don't gotta go home, but you
can't stay. I don't want tofeel we're all out that chry this Joy,
(53:04):
that chime everything. Call it babyright, baby my joy for me
Joy, stay right and call itright away. Time. Felt you for
(54:01):
Bell, Call tell you about you, talbotsssssssssssss and jas
I was listening to the story aboutIt was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called thebig Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effortto steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in thatplay. Him behind me, Well,
nothing but a mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me
(00:25):
and taken both of my children,and I wouldn't know. His father just
got like a mustang or something.Why owing okay, he had it out
in the corral because he couldn't putit in the barn with the in the
stalls, with the other horses thatwould kick and made all the other oneses
nervous. At a seminal Indian workingthe horse, trying to break it every
(00:48):
day, they had it out inthe growl. This skunk game snuck up
behind his horse and grabbed it bonnets, hind quarters. This particular horse kicks
out, jumps over the corral,runs into the pair, you know,
to get away. At this pointthe rancher's out there just blested away with
the thirty thirty skunk gave lends itsaid the swamp. I went up there
(01:11):
one day after that or two daysafter that, I went up there and
sat in the silence up there,and I'm telling you, man, it
was free. It was crazy,you know it was. There was a
crazy vibe up there. Still.I did what I could to kind of
get things under control. But Itold her, I said, you didn't
even get off this problem. Ifeel like, no matter how strong you
are, it's almost like standing inthe ocean, you can't stand still without
(01:34):
moving your feet. You're gonna getknocked over eventually. No matter how strong
whatever, you can't withstand a barrageof a weird spiritual energy. Hey,
what's up everybody, as Wayne,Welcome back to Paranormal Odyssey. Got a
good one lined up for you guys. Today, I had a chance to
sit down with Joshua and Hunter.They are the creators of the new and
(01:57):
upcoming movie The Woodman. Josh isthe writer and director, and Hunter is
one of the lead actors and alsoa producer of the movie. A couple
of really really cool guys. Themovie is about Beryl people up in the
Smoky Mountains. I had a reallygood talk with those guys. Found it
some of the stuff they're talking aboutreally really interesting, And I'm excited to
(02:20):
bring it to you. But beforewe get there, guys, if you
would please take a second to gorate and review the show wherever it is
you get your podcast. If you'vehad an encounter and we'd like to come
on and share it with me,or would love to talk to you about
that, shoot me an email toWayne at Paranormal World Productions dot com.
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Also, guys, want to remindeveryone about Paranormal Odyssey Live, which is
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subscribe button if you haven't done soalready. All right, that's enough of
all of that. I know youare ready. I'm ready. The guys
are backstage and ready to go,So let's get started. How you doing,
(03:14):
gentlemen? We doing good? Howare you guys? I appreciate it.
We've been working on this spur alittle while. I had to postpone
it once or twice, but butwe got you here. How's it going.
It's going great here for sure.I mean I always love seeing that
teaser trailer. It's really cool.Yep, yep seeing here. Yeah.
I'm doing good. Just actually currentlyon vacation in my family right now.
(03:37):
But taking some time to jump onand talk about this with you guys.
So I'm looking forward to it.Yeah, we appreciate that. Now,
Joshua, you are the writer anddirector and enter you are one of the
leads in the movie as well asan executive producer. You are a part
of the production company Hunter, andgo ahead and tell us a little bit
about that company. Well, it'sthe company is called Horror Dad's Productions.
(04:00):
I'm an actor form, but basicallyjust a group of dads that work you
know, every regular you know,work regular day jobs as well, and
we decided that we wanted to gettogether and start making movies. And we've
been very fortunate and blessing the movieswe've made to be on multiple streaming platforms
and seen by a lot of people. I love them, and you know,
love what we do. So Icouldn't ask for anything better when we
get to get together and make projectslike these, cool, very cool.
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Joshua, where did the idea forthis movie come from? You know,
kind of like we chatted a littlebit before. I've been a fan of
just all things strange. I guessit would be the way that I put
it since I was a little kid. I think when I was maybe eight
years old, by a step momvisited her family out east. She came
(04:46):
back with a gay magazine or abook called Weird New Jersey, if anybody's
familiar with that at all, andI read a bunch of stories in that,
and I was like, holy God, they kind of like open this
whole idea, and then you know, eventually just inundated myself with all sorts
(05:08):
of cryptids. You know, thisis why I kind of tackled moth Man
with my first film. It's justbecause it's something that always interested me,
and I felt like, if Iwas going to make a movie, it's
got to be something that I aminterested in and something that I feel personally
passionate about. And for the Woodman, particularly here. The past few years,
(05:29):
I've been pretty interested in the fourone one series that David Politis put
out. And I know he's he'snot a huge fan of talking about what's
kind of going on. He justhas, you know, his set of
rules or his criteria that that certaindisappearances have to meet. But I thought
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the idea that feral humans have somethingto do with it was an interesting one,
and I felt it was something thatneeded to be tackled, especially in
the found footage horrors genre. Yeah, yeah, I agree, And a
lot of the people watching here noticedthat. You know, when I played
the trailer, the very first personor the second person, you see,
(06:11):
there's miss Connor. Flan. Connoris a brand of the show. He
is a buddy of mine. He'sbeen on a couple of times. He
was a speaker at my annual campingevent that I hold every year. He
was a speaker last year at it, and he's been doing a lot of
stuff. How'd you, guys gethooked up with with Connor? I mean,
(06:32):
I don't know how he got hookedup with that'd be him. I
just made kind of now. Yeah, so I love him so sorry about
that, guys. I am actuallyhiding birthday presents in the van right now
for my kid. I'm trying towrestle them right now. Anyways, when
it comes to Connor, he actuallyapproached me and he has to be a
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part of it, and that's kindof like how our relationship kind of got
started there and I, yeah,I'd love to have you on because he
seemed super ambitious. He was hewas a go getter and he really came
to life on set and really helpedus out. So it was something that
I was blessed enough to have himin. And his actual inclusion in the
film itself happened just hours before wefilmed those scenes because we had somebody missed
(07:19):
a flight that came out and wehad no idea that, but we really
didn't know what to do, andthen Connor kind of stepped up and him
and the other actress that he sharesa scene with, Bailey Harrington, they
kind of worked something out. Theykind of took what we scripted and they
kind of went from there, soit worked out very cool. Yeah,
(07:43):
I mean that's just kind of howI met Connor was on set of the
movie, you know, and hekind of told me that he ended up
getting apart because of the actor whomissed a flight. And I'm glad he
did, man, because he's he'sone cool guy. And I'm looking at
the you know, all the commentsand stuff, like everybody loves him.
So he's a good guy. Iwant as many friends as Connor has.
(08:05):
Yeah. Yeah, Connor, He'she's a ball of energy. Man.
I don't know how he does it. He's all over the place more than
I am, yeah, absolutely ahunter. How many? Uh? Yeah.
You and I talked briefly before,and you had had shared with me
that acting is really your passion isare these the only movies that you've ever
(08:31):
acted in? And is that yourgoal to something that you want to pursue
long term? Oh, I don'tthink I'll ever stop acting. That is,
like you said, my one ofmy biggest passions to do. It
just makes me happy. I definitelydon't feel like I'm working by any means.
I have a lot of fun doingit. I've been in several movies
now, a lot of cameo appearances. This is the first time I was
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really a bigger character, for sure. But ever since this movie, I
mean there's been I've had a lotof people reach out just for different things.
I don't know if it's post orstuff. I've been on the news
for it, and so I've justbeen very blessed with everything that's been coming
this way. And but no,I've been in like Mothman, Tahoe Joe
cameo appearances, The Woodman, Ghost, and the list goes on. You
(09:15):
know, there's other stuff. Justa brief little cameo in a movie called
Macaw Mountain. That's not found footagethough, But I mean, I don't
know. I just it's insane theamount of stuff I've been in all of
a sudden, that's just kind oflike I can't even wrap my head around
how busy I've been lately. I'min like three in the next week and
a half. So oh wow,Okay, okay, Joshua, Yes,
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No, as you kind of stated, the movie is it's bound footage based.
Do you find that as I mean, is that more challenging a top
movie to make? Or is thata little bit easier? Would you say?
To be honest, it's It's theonly thing I've made. I've never
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actually worked a set where we shotanything traditionally, So and from the pre
production side and then the actual productionside, I would say it is fairly
easier just having you know, conversationswith fellow filmmakers and everything like that.
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You know, it us being fulltime workers, you know, out in
the field and everything like that foryou know, our own day jobs and
stuff like. Long stretches of timeare hard to come by, especially when
you got all like your in vacationand stuff. So and and found footage
films are fairly easier and quicker toshoot. So that also helps because you
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know, I can only get likefive days off in a row every so
often, so we got to kindof work with that, and I think
that that is something that I'm goingto stick with for a while because it's
also something that I love too.You know, I fell in love with
found footage when I first watched Blairwith back when I was like nine years
old, and uh, it's it'sreally the most interesting type of horror to
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me personally. I know, somepeople just absolutely do not like it.
It turns them off totally. Butthen I also have know people that that
is like the only stuff they watch, so it's it's kind of niche a
little bit. But yeah, Iwould say it's fairly easier because you don't
have a whole lot to set up. You don't have a lot of downtime
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that is consumed by moving cameras aroundand things like that, moving lighting.
You know, we did some lightingand stuff like that for Woodman, but
not a whole lot. I mean, kind of rely on the environment.
And yeah, it's just a loteasier to work with. We get running
gun, we don't have to youknow, block anything out really, So
it helped a lot. It helpsus, you know, small time production
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guys to get movies done and todo them well too. So yeah,
yeah, I would. I wouldimagine. So I've talked about a couple
of times on this show. Myregulars have a story. But my daughter,
I've got a two year old daughterthat when she was nine months old,
she got cast to play in aTV show for Peacock. It was
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the friend of the Family thing.I don't know, it's a pretty big
deal. She made like a thousandbucks. She was nine months old and
brought in a thousand bucks. Andwe had to take her five different times
to Atlanta for the shooting and shewas only being that young. You know.
We had to get special clearance fromthe state for her to work and
all that stuff. And she wasonly allowed to be out for no more
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than four hours a day, orit might have been two hours a day
is all that she could work.And how much time between sets between takes.
It. Look, I was justamazed with That's got to be the
way these found footage movies. Thathas to be the way to go in
my opinion, if you're gonna makea movie, because they did the same
since probably ten times with my daughter. But they would stop and move all
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the lights, put people in differentpositions, and do the exact same thing,
and it will take like thirty minutesbetween said I mean, it was
insane to see how much work actuallygoes into putting something on for television.
And I gained a whole new respectfor him for just that little bit that
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that I was involved in it.It sounds like the found footage movies is
kind of the way to go.I just watched one yesterday, I think
Willow Creek. Yeah, if yougot familiar with the big Foot, so
Joshua, from that time you decideyou want to make this movie, that
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it's in your head until the timethat you are done, completely done,
how long did that take? Ithink? Me and the guy is I
kind of you know, it kindof started with Yeah, I was watching
I believe one of the Missing fourOnes actually, and you know, another
member of the Horror Dads, DylanBrown, We're all in a in a
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big group chat together, so wetalked to each other every day all throughout
the day, and I kind ofasked him, you know, because they
were talking about hikers and people campingand stuff. I'm like, how,
how like how legal is it toto kind of just just go off into
a national park and camp and dothat stuff. So we just kind of
chatted a little bit about that,and then I started talking about, you
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know, this idea that that Berylhumans and everything like that exist and everything,
and we kind of talked about alittle bit and that's kind of where
it started. And that was Juneof twenty twenty two, so just a
little over a year ago, andI kind of I put that story together
in my head. I wrote itdown eventually, and I spent some time
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because I had to finish moth Man, and then we kind of promoted that
and I carried that into the fall, and I started picking up pre production
in January and then from there,I think we launched the kickstarter in March,
and we started shooting early July.July sixth was our our first day,
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and we wrapped our June sixth,excuse me, in June twelfth was
the last day of shooting. Soabout them about a year it took,
but the big heavy stuff was aboutsix months of planning and the actual shooting
was only about six days. Yousaid, right, Yeah, about about
five days. We we you know, killed the day traveling, but yeah,
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it was about five days. Wow, that's crazy, that's crazy.
And I was interested to find youbefore we came on. I asked you
about the actual where you shot andeverything, because you're the story is based
out of the Smoky Mountains. Butyou said you all did most of your
film in North Georgia in the BlueRidge Mountains, right, Yes, we
did, you know. I thinkone one thing I would do differently in
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the future would be given myself moretime because by the time I secured funding
through the crowdfunding campaign, it didn'tleave me a whole lot of options as
far as locations go and things likethat. And then I also needed to
house, you know, upwards often people at a time, and I
did want to shoot in eastern Tennessee, actually not too far from Blue Ridge
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anyways, because I believe Blue Ridgeis just right over the border there,
and I just could not we cannotfind anything that was suitable for us.
So my assistant director, Laura Rodriguez, actually had a really good friend.
His name is Travis. He appearsin the movie as well. He has
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family in that area and they kindof you know, took me out of
virtual scouting scouting operation and I lovedit, and there was you know,
way more lodging opportunities for us there. So we just kind of settled that,
you know, you gotta sometimes whenit comes, you know, down
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to crunch time, you just gottayou know, get over it and you
know, move locations and things.But I think it totally worked out because
the locations that we got, youknow, match my imagery that I wanted
anyway, So it totally worked.All right. We got our first question,
you guys not mister Carson asked Joshuaand Hunter do you believe the Barrel
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people to be factor piction or alittle boat? So? I guess your
personal beliefs in the Barrel people.I mean, I guess I'm first on
this one though, if you don'tmind, josh go ahead. I'm kind
of a skeptic when it comes toanything. And I say that, you
know, coming from a guy thatran a paranormal investigation group at a private
Catholic university where I went to college, I take everything kind of with a
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grain of salt, you know.I look for explanations, I guess you
could say. So, I mean, I don't know. Man, there's
a lot of on explored wilderness inthe United States. I mean, hundreds
of thousands, if not millions,of square miles of dense woods that have
never you know, had a personever there. So you know, I
very well could be you know,I mean, there's been on contact with
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people in the world today, youknow, on islands and stuff. So
who knows. You know, it'sa big, big country, very true,
now, Josh, wait, thinkyeah, and I'm kind of yeah,
me and and U are almost kindof the opposite, right, So
I'm I love this stuff with apassion and and I do believe a lot
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of the things that that I know, a lot of stories that I've read
and things like that, you know, I I believe in Bigfoot and everything
like that as well. And yeah, fairly humans, that's definitely something that's
that I think is possible, onlybecause you know, some of these large
sections of land are you know,uncharted, and we really don't know.
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It's kind of going on and backthere, and it does leave like a
big question as to what's going on. So and and like Hunter said,
you know, like we're still finding, you know, sections of populations of
humans that are existing outside the boundariesof you know, normal society. So
I think in one hundred percent plausible, stay tuned for more paranormal Odyssey.
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Yeah. I kind of kind ofagree with you there, Josh, I
have pulled up. This was akind of a production you see it,
Josh, Yes again, Yeah,you were telling me that you did that
for the Kickstarter, right, that'skind of a production poster, correct.
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Yeah. Yeah, if we putthat together, it's got to Hunter on
there, it's got to Dan Grogan. He plays doctor SCOTL. Rose.
She saw from the trailer. He'she plays an anthropologist that has sort of
dedicated his life to proving that,you know, these sections of populations of
humans exist and should be you know, either protected or observed. And and
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then Gal there Don Becker. Heis played by Anna Clary and she's another
lead actress. And then the story. She's actually a fitness influencer, so
she has, you know, aYouTube community that kind of follows her everywhere
she goes. And she just recentlylost her father and one of his favorite
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locations was the Great Smoky Mountains,and you know, she decides to head
into the woods and spread his asheswhere where he kind of wanted her to,
and you know, she just kindof gets lost and caught up in
the mess that's scottlar Oshean Ben Loganfind themselves in. So okay, So
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that's what I was kind of goingto get asked Hunter to to do a
little bit of you know, yousee that that's you Hunter there, you
play Ben Logan correct now without givingaway you know, too much of the
movie, because we want everyone togo out and watch the movie. But
tell us a little bit about whathappens in the movie. Again, don't
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you know, give everything away,but you know, just just walk us
through it a little bit. Yeah, I mean an online video is found
I've released out there, which kindof sparks doctor Scottlarosh's curiosity to go out
that way and this my help.But we go on the woods and we
get ourselves in a little bit oftrouble, like Josh said, and you
know, there's like there's just thatdynamic with the the people and other rangers
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and stuff like that that kind ofcreate a little bit of conflict in the
story. And I mean really goesfrom there, you know, because of
that videos in the week and himcoming to meet you play a park ranger,
Right I do, Yeah, Iplay a park ranger. Yeah.
Okay, all right, all right, very cool? All right. Yeah,
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we talked a little bit Josh beforewe got going about I asked you
if you mind going over like thefinancial aspect of making a movie, because
I know, myself included, alot of people are are interested in that,
and is that something that you careto talk about a little bit about.
I know that you you launch,you had to kick or kickstarter to
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raise fund. How did that go? And and how does the financial thought
of making a movie work? Yeah, so, you know, crowdfunding is
difficult. We see a lot ofpeople super successful with it. I've been
successful with it, but it isa lot of work. It's it's everyday
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dedication, right You're sharing, posting, sending it to friends and family,
sending it to anybody that will actuallyput their eyeballs on it and and also
feel the same passion that you doabout the project itself. So it's it's
a tedious task, you know.But for young independent filmmakers, you know,
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sometimes that's a necessity because we alwayswe can't always you know, find
the funding for that stuff because filmmakingking be kind of expensive. If you
don't have the resources at hand todo it yourself. And so that's basically
where we're at. When we startedthe kick funding or quick starter campaign crowdfunder,
and we knew going in, sohe had set a goal for about
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three thousand dollars and at that timeI was wanting to bring on other more
you know, private investors to kindof you know, bridge the gap there.
But actually the kickstarter blew up andwent from three thousand, and by
the time we were done after fortyfive days, we had hit almost nine
thousand dollars and I was able toactually I met somebody. His name is
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Louis Lavella. He is one ofthe producers on the movie as well.
He came in and helped us outfinancially a little bit more too, So
that was pretty awesome. And sowe were able to you know, top
the budget out at about eleven grandand that covered everything everything, so,
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uh, you know, traveling costsfor certain people flying in and out,
you know, booking the locations wastough. All the props, everything else
that kind of goes into it,uh, you know, ate up the
entire thing. So it actually workedout really well because going in you start
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a budget and you really don't knowwhat to expect because anything can happen while
you're on set, anything at all, like the worst of the worst.
You know, I already mentioned,you know that we had an actor,
Missus Flight. We kind of hadto impromptu Connor into the movie, and
I think that that worked out well. So certain things are blessings in disguise,
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but sometimes you kind of go overbudget sometimes, you know, I
put a little bit of my ownmoney into certain aspects of things. But
certainly I feel like I spent morethis time around on props and costumes and
things for Woodman than I did,you know, moth Man. But overall,
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I think we did well. Now, you know, you kind of
mentioned that, you know, thingscan go wrong in the making of a
movie. I'm I'm assuming that youhad to have some type of medical professionals
on set. Did you have todo that? We did not, you
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know, because it's kind of thesince we're not a Screen Actors Guild,
you know, we're not SAG oranything like that. We're not independent,
We're not required for anything. Butit did make me feel good because I
do know that Hunter has a backgroundin in police work and we knew that
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he was there, and I hada couple other people that were on set
that I knew. We're CPR certifiedin First Aid certified, so that helped
because I did. I mean,this was a pretty physical shoot for our
actors and everybody involved, because therewas a lot of hiking and and a
lot of you know, you know, fighting and struggling in certain scenes and
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things like that. So that wasthat was a concern, but we were
I mean, when we go intoit, you know, obviously safety is
our our main objective. But yeah, luckily enough, nobody nobody got hurt
on set and everybody was good.Yeah, very cool, Very cool.
Now you talked about having to findthe actual place to to to do the
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shooting. Now did is that anational forest the part that you were in.
How do you go about securing thatlocation? And did that cost anything
or were there permits involved or didy'all just go out in the woods and
start shooting. Yeah? So,uh, it was all private land,
so nothing was when we didn't haveto secure any state permits or anything like
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that. They're at the We werereally close actually too. I believe it's
the Chattahoochee National forests there, anduh, it was it was going to
be a ninety day process for avideo for filming, they're anywhere on the
premise, so that was kind ofout of limits for us. So we
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ended up finding some private land thatwe were able to shoot on and that
kind of saved us time and moneytoo, because those things are can can
get kind of expensive. Yeah,yeah, I'm sure now, Hunter,
you can answer jump in and answerthis one if you want to. I'm
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curious to like how much research y'allwent into into this role actually looking into
Pharao people. And Josh told meearlier that it was hard to really do
research on Pharaoh people because it usuallyturned into big boot stuff. I mean,
did you on that as a problem, Hunter, or did you do
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any research into Parol people. Youknow, we just kind of discussed a
lot of the stuff that we hadheard are you know, maybe experience watching
other movies. I kind of liketo inspire some of the ideas in terms
of my character. I guess speakingfrom me, the research I did,
I just kind of you know,used and tapped into a lot of my
law enforcement experience to gain the personalityI wanted in this movie. And then
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I would take inspiration from characters Ireally like seeing on TV Shane Welsh from
The Walking Dead. John Burnthall playsthat character. I tried to inspire a
little bit of my character after him, just because I wanted to be a
little bit more standoffish with the idea. My character has a large arc over
multiple movies, and the more itgoes on, the harder my character gets
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in terms of, you know,who he is and his personality. So
any research that came from that,I just kind of came from experience in
my own personal life. But I, you know, just in terms of
Ferrol humans, just inspirations from storieswe I have heard campfire stories or other
other movies that might have something similarto that concept and idea. Okay,
Joshua, same question, but howhow did you bond did the research into
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barrel humans? How did that gofor you? Yeah, like I said,
it was, it's kind of difficultto try to, you know,
decipher between what people really experience.You know, there's some that are you
know, like straight up witnessed thisperson very human like creature you know,
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off in the distance, didn't seemto really I personally couldn't find too many
stories where people had full on interactionswith with feral humans, but just me,
my negligence and not my negligence,my my research skills, maybe lacking
there in resources as far as whereto actually look for this stuff. So
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yeah, like you said too,a lot of it seemed to boil down,
like the debate always you know,started going off into the bigfoot realm,
and that's kind of what I wantedto stay away from. It's an
idea that we play with obviously inthe beginning of the film that you know,
our two characters, Connor Flynn playinghim himself basically and Bailey Harrington playing
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Atlanta Heywood, that they are Bigfootresearchers, you know, going out into
the wilderness trying to figure out what'sgoing on, and maybe some of the
disappearances in that area recently had somethingto do with you know, sasquatch,
and you know, as the movieunfolds, we kind of realized that it's
something a little bit more human.So yeah, I yes, go ahead.
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Yeah, we got another question foryou from Carson and I was gonna
ask this one, but he beatme do it. Was there any strange
things that went on during filming Beer, Yeah, we did well. Not
very strange. We did encounter abear at our lodging that I had to
scare off, but strange. No, And I kind of wanted something to
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happen, to be honest with you, because I'm always a fan of like
wanting to experience things myself. Buthonestly, I think we had too many
people on set shapsing through the woodsat the same time, and if there
was anything out there watching us,it was keeping assistance. So yeah,
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go ahead, Oh, it's justnot the bears. They didn't keep their
distance. No, No, notthem, not them. There were there
were certain things, you know thatthat made us a little leery, you
know, because one day we showedup to film an extended night scene and
one of the guys on set,Travis I mentioned earlier, is that that's
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from that area. Kind of sawevidence of maybe, you know, big
cats written around in the dirt andeverything like that. So that made us
a little leary. But nothing nothingsupernatural, unnatural. Nothing that's that's scared
the hell out of us. Okay, very cool, cool, Yeah,
Josh, you and I spoke alittle bit about the Dennis Martin case before
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we came on, and my audienceknows how fascinated I am with that case
and just how tragic it is.And you uh, you said, that's
actually mentioned a couple of times inthe movie, right, you'll you'll talk
about the Jennis Martin case. Yeah, Connor brings it up a little bit,
and it's sort of the story thatScott Looche kind of springboards off of,
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kind of heading into it. Okay, what are your personal thoughts on
on the the Dennis Mortin case.Yeah, so I I personally do think
that that is one of the situationsin which, you know, peral people
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were involved. It doesn't sound tome personally like like a big foot story
because some of the characteristics are youknow, out of what you normally see
with big foots. Right, So, you know, just the fact that
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they were abducting a child, Ithink I couldn't I couldn't imagine maybe why
the sasquatch would do it, right, So, you know, the idea
that maybe a fair human clan wasbringing somebody, you know, into their
own makes a little bit more sensefor me. That that's that's that helps
at all? Hunter. Do youhave any thought on the on the Dennis
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Morton case. Yeah, I'm kindof right there with Josh. I haven't
looked into it as much as probablya lot of people who are familiar with
but just the basic grasp that Ihave of it, I just have to
agree most of most of what Ilearned from was Connor, and I feel
that people having conversations about it whileon set, and then just a couple
of little articles here and there,and I smarting case until I started looking
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into Big Butt, and that's allpeople really want to It's the big Butt
people that talk about the case.And the more you look into the case,
the more you think Big Boot probablydidn't have anything at all to do
with it. You know, theKey family for miles away, all this,
as mister Key described it, anunkept man was something over his shoulder
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running up the hill, you know. And I don't know, I don't
think, just my personal opinion,you know what people say about opinions.
All right, where can we findthe movie at? Guys? Is it
out yet? It is not.We are currently seeking distribution for it right
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now. So my producer Louis,he's kind of you know, taking the
reins here and in hunting down someleads for us to maybe hit some some
decent streaming platforms with it soon.I'd like to have something secured by the
end of September, so I thinkwe'll have a better idea come October,
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when I'd like a release sometime lateNovember. I know we kind of discussed
a October release date, but personallyI feel as though that that is a
time where the market is just saturatedwith every other filmmaker wanting to release something
during the Halloween season, right,So we kind of want to back off
a little bit on that and giveeverybody something to watch around Thanksgiving time.
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Okay, how does you know,if you don't mind, tell us how
that process works. That's something I'minterested in. You put in the time
and the money to make this movie, and you've got it all done and
ready. What is that next stepto get it in front of people?
How does that work? Basically,we just submit the film to distribution companies
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and they give us you know,a yea or name. Really, it's
up to them whether it's a moviethat they feel like their company can stand
behind. And once you know,the process begins. They sort of put
together contract and they say, basically, this is what we're gonna do for
you. This is how much we'regoing to invest in as a company to
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help promote the film. Sometimes otherdistribution companies don't, you know. I
worked with Indie Rates for Mofman,and they don't help with any type of
marketing. So sometimes that's something that'sleft up to the filmmaker themselves to get
their own movie out there once ithits platforms, and for indie make indie
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filmmakers and things. Probably the mostthat we could get would be to get
on a good, decent handful streamingplatforms, because that's really that that's what
exists now, you know. Ithink a lot of these companies are finding
that you know, DVD and Bluray production unless you've got millions of dollars
you know, worth of just playmoney. I guess selling physical media just
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really doesn't seem to be something they'reinterested in. But you know, getting
the film out there on streaming seemsto be, you know, the easiest,
quickest way to get it into youknow, to the masses. It's
generally a process that can take anywherefrom six months to a year once you
sign a contract, because filmmakers haveto get their film together and also package
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it together. Most of the timeindie indie film distribution companies want you to
put together you know, like yourcaptions that's all done separately, music tracks
and things like that, and sometimesthey require documentation as far as location releases,
actor releases and things like that,so nobody can come back and say
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that I didn't you approve of thisand for that. So a lot of
that is obtained and once all thatsaid and done, you know, they
generally work with what we call filmaggregators that work with distribution or streaming platforms
like to Be for instance, isa big one, and once the distribution
company submits those films to these aggregators, then it can take, like I
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said, anywhere from six months toa year for you know, our movies
to show up. Some more popularstreaming platforms can actually help land actual relief
states just because they're established. Butmost of the time, you know,
like Indie Rights, they told me, they're like, hey, we're live
on Amazon. Our Amazon gave usthe thumbs up, so it can be
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any day now, which is usuallyhow it goes kind of, so stay
tuned for more Paranormal Odyssey. It'sa lengthy process, you know, once
we signed the contract because most ofthe time, these distribution companies give you
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only anywhere from sixty to ninety daysto prepare everything you have, so it
gets ultra crunched to get everything doneand submitted. In a lot of the
times, they want you to mailin a SSD that's got all this information
on there, so I only haveto get it all together. You have
to mail it all out to himand hopefully it gets there in suitable order.
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It's nerve wracking, but once everything'sgood to go in the green lights
bright, it's it's an exciting feeling. No, I bet? I bet?
Now the movie your Your previous moviewas moth Man? Correct? Yeare?
Can we find it? Who?Who ended up with it? Yep?
So Indie Rights distributed. Like Isaid, it is currently available now
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on QB for free with ads.Believe, it's on YouTube on their YouTube
channel free with ads. It's onAmazon to rent or buy, and I
believe it's going to be hitting otherplatforms in the future. Like I said,
that can take a long time too, so it's kind of just whenever
I notice it popping up at otherplaces. You know. Plex is another
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one that Indie Rights seems to puta lot of their stuff on so right
now, I mean Amazon and toB are good and you know that that
that reaches you know, a wideaudience, so that that's that's helpful.
Yeah, Now, places like tobe that you said it's free with advertisements
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can make money off of that.You know. That's that's an interesting question.
That kind of is a question morefor a distribution company because I believe
your paid purview obviously, and youknow, I've heard things you know about
like to be like a person.You know, a typical viewer has to
watch a movie on TB for morethan twenty minutes before I could count towards
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you know, the filmmaker or thedistribution company and uh, and they kind
of make money off of, youknow, the ads that the viewers are
watching. So I think right nowtoo, that's a big topic that you
know, indie filmmakers like to discussbecause you know, back years before streaming,
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you know, we kind of laughedand joked to you know, piracy
and things like that. But youknow, piracy is is a real thing
for you know, indie filmmakers becausewe make our money off of those ads.
I mean, that's what you know, that's where we are earning our
keep for these films in that way. So if somebody's you know, streaming
ripping them off of like to Beand things like that, you know that
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that's that's a big concern for us. You know. So you know all
these ad based channels and things likethat, that's basically where where everything lies
is in you know, watching adson these uh on these streaming platforms.
Yeah, I mean it's the sameway. I'm a podcaster obviously. I
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mean, we're gonna we'll take thiswhat we're talking about tonight, and then
I'll upload it and release it tothe podcast form. And I have a
much much larger audience and podcast thanI do on YouTube. And you get
the people every once in a whilethat complain about the ads. Yeah,
yeah, this one guy said,no, podcasting is free, Why do
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you have to put ads in it? How the head podcasting free? I
mean all this equipment I've got righthere where I mean, do somebody get
it to me? Yeah? Amonthly feed that it costs to get out
and podcasting is not free, andby that's how we make our money.
You know, people complain about thispre content that they're getting that they're not
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having to pay a dom for,but they've got to stop every you know,
twenty minutes, which happens to betwice in an episode to listen to
like three ads. Yeah, andmost of the time you can skip them
after ten seconds absolutely, yeah.Yeah, podcast you to wait ten seconds,
you just start pass forward thirty toskip thirty seconds ahead, you know,
(44:29):
just do it and shut up?Hunter. What what's what's next for
you, buddy? You got anythingon the horizon? Yeah, I've got,
like, actually, I've got afew things that had popped up just
over the course of last week,just like little appearances in a couple of
movies in Michigan, Ohio. Uh, and then Josh and I have one
(44:52):
coming later this year. I thinka few other things maybe or at least
sometime in the future. I'm actuallydirecting my own U. I can't tell
you exact day or date, butI know that it's a big collaboration between
everybody at Horror Ads to want toget something that I've been working on and
that we've all been working on forquite a while. So it'll be kind
(45:13):
of not really my directorial debut,but it'll be my first feature that I'm
going to step into a little bitof a different of a role. I'm
gonna still act in it, butwhere I will hope direct alongside these guys
too. So that's that's definitely something. So I've got I'm busy. I'm
I'm very busy with a lot ofthings coming up. Oh yeah, that's
(45:34):
exciting. Man, good do gooddo? What about you, Josh?
What's coming up in the future?Yeah, so we are. I'm personally
working on something on side. Can'tdiscuss anything about it really right now,
but that's gonna pick up. That'sgonna take up my September and October,
(45:55):
and I'm kind of kind of leave, you know, the end of the
year open, so I could focuson promoting Woodman and then next year I
want to jump actually into pre productionfor Woodman Part two. Oh, this
is gonna be a sequel. Verycool, yep, very cool. Do
you I guess, either of you? Do you see yourselves working on anything
(46:20):
Sasquats related in the future. Yeah, oh yeah. Are you familiar with
Tahoe Joe? I'm not. That'sa that's a horror dance production movie made
by one of our associates, DylanBrown. Blew up on a lot of
social media platforms for a little bitcurrently located on two We probably the easiest
(46:42):
place to find it and watch it. He's doing a part two for that,
so that's the biggest. The movieis called Taho Joe yep. Okay,
all right about you, Josh uhNo, I'm gonna be uh Actually,
Hunch and I are going to behelping on Tahoe Joe Part two,
and Hunter will be reprising his roleas Ben Logan on that movie as well.
(47:07):
Wait, wait, very cool.I played Ben Logan and just about
everything I act in, so almostalmost everything the actual character Ben Logan or
a character similar to Ben Logan.No, I just all of our movies
are connected from the horror dads whatwe do, and one way, shape
(47:28):
or form common connection right now ismy reoccurring character of Ben Logan. There
are obviously other movies I've been inwhere I'm not Ben Logan, but that's
just kind of like the staple wemake a joke about how many footage movies
am I going to reprise my roleas this character? With all this stuff
we've got going on in our heads, and yeah, we want to break
the bad Ben? What is it? I think the same characters up to
(47:52):
like thirteen times in one movie orin a series, so he's competition.
Yeah, okay, all right,So looking back, Josh, on everything
(48:13):
that the first two movies that you'vemade, what have you learned from those
movies? And is there anything thatyou would do differently someone starting out wanting
to make movies, what advice wouldyou give them, what to do and
what to try not to do?You know, I would first and foremost
(48:34):
say take your time, don't rushanything, do what you're passionate about,
and then kind of go from there. Don't worry about, you know,
the tiny little details, because theywill be come super consuming, they'll take
over. But don't never lose sightof your vision. And as long as
you can maintain that and uh andmake it make an orderly film. Don't
(49:00):
also worry about having to make itthis big, grandstanding production, right like,
you don't need to do you know, thirty forty people involved. You
don't need to work for two weeksat a time. You don't need to.
You know, you could space itout a little bit. I've been
fortunate enough to be able to knockmine out in a row, but I
appreciate the people who do have thechances to kind of work around their own
(49:23):
schedule as well, So just don'tconfine yourself to certain things and you'll be
good. Okay, all right,a hunter, same question to you.
But you know, obviously actor based, someone that wants to start acting and
get into this, what what wouldyou tell them to do? You know,
(49:43):
just audition to anything, you know, audition everything. Expect to be
told no, but don't let thateat you alive. I mean, I'm
not the best actor in the world, but I've been fortunate enough to be
in the movies I have been inthe movies I'm gonna be in and you
know I'm I'm twenty seven, Soit can happen to any point in life,
whether you're twenty seven, nine monthsold, or you know, in
(50:04):
your sixties. Just don't give upon it and have fun doing it and
step out of your comfort zone alittle bit. Because I'm a very reserved
guy. A lot of that comesfrom law enforcement and all that, you
know, all the bad stuff Ihad to experience with them, So I'm
not like a super outgoing guy allthe time, but I definitely step out
of my comfort zone to accomplish anything, you know, and just don't give
up because they're gonna be people.No matter how many people love it,
they're gonna be people that hate youand people I don't like it. So
(50:25):
it doesn't matter what people think.I'm doing it for me and you know,
hopefully I can make a huge careerout of it one day. That's
the goal, and I can takecare of my family and you know,
friends of mine and the company andkeep going. So just don't give up
and be yourself. Very cool,great, great advice. Where we're right
here at the hour mark, andthat's where we usually cut it off.
(50:46):
But I want to give you guysan opportunity to plug anything that you want
to plug. I know we've beentalking about the Woodman, but if you
got that, guys, have anysocial media or anything else that you are
working on that you want people togo and check out. Now, is
it's a chance to do that.Yeah. So anybody can find me on
(51:07):
anything. I'm on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, super easy. Everything's usually
just JD. Brucker or Joshua Bruckersame. I mean social media. I
don't care. I accept a lotof people that want to be my friend
and talk and it doesn't matter tome. I'm a pretty nice guy and
you know, horrid as productions.Look how far our movies they're all connected.
(51:27):
We call it the crypto verse.So Mothman, Tahoe, Joe,
the Woodman, the movies continue onfor a while, especially with ideas,
and just we can do that,you know, and let's keep going from
there. Really very cool, verycool. Yeah. If there's any links
or anything you guys want to sharewhen we get done, just make sure
(51:49):
you send those to me, andwhen I upload it to the podcast,
I'll make sure to add that sopeople can check you out. All right,
guys, I want to take theopportunity to thank you for spending an
hour with me, coming and answeringsome questions and hanging out. I appreciate
you, guys. Hey, itwas really fun. I appreciate you having
me on. Sorry, I'm sotired of man. That nap was crazy.
(52:12):
Yeah, no problems. I'm nothappy to be here. Yeah,
very good, Very good, guys. I hope you enjoyed the rest of
your evening. And uh and we'lltalk soon. Hey, thank you so
much. Sounds good. They sayyou don't gotta go home, but you
can't stay. I don't want tofeel we're all out that chry this Joy,
(53:04):
that chime everything. Call it babyright, baby my joy for me
Joy, stay right and call itright away. Time. Felt you for
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