October 26, 2023 • 61 mins
On this episode of Paranormal Odyssey we welcome Clarissa Vazquez to the show. Clarissa is the Founder of The Colorado Coalition of Paranormal Investigators and has been collecting some amazing stuff over the years. We get to share a few of the EVPs she’s collected on this episode. This was a very fun talk and I’m sure all will enjoy.
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I was listening to the story aboutIt was the story of a family in
Washington, and the little boy calledthe big Foot the cowboy man, and
he had apparently it had made aneffort to steal this kid. And it
hit me. My children were inthat place. Pen behind me were nothing
but a mosquito net over him.It could have crept up behind me and
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taken both of my children, andI wouldn't know. Father just got like
a Mustang or something from Wyoming,Okay. He had it out in the
corral because he couldn't put it inthe barn with the in the stalls,
with the other horses that would kickand made all the other horses nervous.
Had a seminal Indian work in thehorse, trying to break it. Every
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day. They had it out inthe corrawl. This skunky snuck up behind
his horse and brammed it bonnets,hind quarters. This particular horse that kicks
out, jumps over the corral,runs into the pit, you know,
to get away. At this point, the ranchers out there just blessed away
with the dirty dirty snell gave lensinto the slump. I went up there
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one day after that or two daysafter that, I went up there and
sat in the silence up there,and I'm telling you, man, it
was free. It was crazy,you know it was. There was a
crazy vibe up there. Still.I did what I could to kind of
get things out of control. ButI told her, I said, you
need to get off this problem.I feel like, no matter how strong
you are, it's almost like standingin the ocean. You can't stand still
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without moving your feet. You're goingto get knocked over eventually. No matter
how strong whatever, you can't withstanda barrage of of weird spiritual energy.
Hey, what's up? Everybody's wayne? Welcome back to Paranormal Odyssey. Got
a good show. End up withyou today, got miss Calissa Basquez on
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Clissa is the founder of the ColoradoCoalition of Paranormal Investigators. She came on
one of our episodes of Paranormal OdysseyLive and had a chat with Miss Tiffany
and myself. Had a really goodtime over there. We were able to
share several of the EVPs that she'sbeen able her and her group have been
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able to capture over the last severalyears, and some of them are really
really good. I mean all ofthem that we shared were really good,
but she's got more over there onher website. You guys are welcome to
go check out. We had agreat talk with Clarissa. It was really,
really a good time. But beforewe get there, I'd like to
ask everyone to please take a second, go rate and review the show wherever
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to come on and share it withme, I would love to talk to
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We would greatly appreciate it. Ialso want to ask everyone head over to
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I want remind everyone about the YouTubechannel Hereonormal Odyssey Live. We are
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guys to head over there and checkthat out. All right, that's enough
of all of that. I knowthat if you're ready, I am ready.
Let's get started. There. Sheis clarics. How you doing,
ma'am. I am doing great,guys. Thank you so much for having
me. Yes, ma'am, thankyou very much for taking the time to
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come and hang out with us tonight. I greatly appreciate that. Let me
get this fixed so we're not staringthere. You go, all right.
So, as we said a littlebit earlier, you were in Colorado,
and we were talking a little bitbefore. You're in Great Bigfoot territory.
But we're going to talk about ghostsand spooky stuff tonight, if you would
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tell us all about how you gotyour start, how long you been doing
this, and what got you started. So I got my start in the
mid nineties. I've been doing thisfor several decades now. But back when
I was active duty in the military, I was a very low ranking person
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on a very tall totem pole andthe hospital at my duty station was in
the process of converting their former morgueinto a physical therapy department. So,
being that low ranking person on thatvery tall totem pole, one of my
duties at that time was to helpwith the help clean up the construction debris.
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And one afternoon, it was alate autumn afternoon, I came back
from chow or lunch and walked intothis completely gutted basement area and saw a
man standing in the middle of theconstruction zone. He was wearing a uniform
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that was it was like the nineteenseventies and eighties combat fatigues, the olive
drab fatigues, as opposed to thegreen camouflage that we wore back then.
He was very rugged, handsome,clean cut, and tangible. He was
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not wispy or see through or anything. I mean, he was just as
real as you and I sitting herehaving this conversation. But he looked out
of place just the same. Andso I got within about ten feet of
him and asked him if I couldhelp him with something, and he looked
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at me and then looked away andwalked through a cinder block wall and disappeared.
Holy shit. Yeah, And thatcinder block wall was an exterior wall,
so it wasn't like he could havegone around it or anything. It
was one of the one of theactual building walls of the hospital. And
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so it didn't occur to me atthe time to be afraid. I was
more like, you know, whatthe heck did I just see? And
so I went back to my barracksthat night and I called my mom,
like, you are not going tobelieve what just happened. She says,
well, are you going to tryto see him again tomorrow? I'm like,
well, yeah, absolutely. Andthe internet was in its infancy back
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then. Goho setting TV was nota thing. I mean, occasionally you'd
see something on Unsolved Mysteries, butthere really wasn't anything. There weren't any
digital sources to be had. SoI did what anybody would do at the
time, and I got a librarycard off base and started get reading every
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book I could get my hands on. I was reading books by Ed Warren
and Hans Holzer and you know,really learning about what I had experienced,
and I learned about polaroid cameras andanalog tape recorders, and you know,
from there, I you know,I bought an analog tape recorder and a
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polaroid camera and started, you know, going to cemeteries and abandoned locations,
you know, places where I probablyshouldn't have been, especially by myself and
at night, and ultimately, youknow, figured out what I was doing.
You know, a lot of trialand error, and I don't know
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how many thousands of dollars in polaroidfilm and cassette tapes. And then fast
forward to the early twenty first centurywhere a friend of mine and I discovered
that we shared this passion. Wehad this shared passion for ghosts, and
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I started showing him, you knowwhat I had, you know, what
I had learned over the years,and how to do it. Word got
out that we were, you know, going to cemeteries and checking out creepy
places together, and people were saying, Oh, you need to come check
out my house, or you needto come check out my workplace. And
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before long we had more more casesthan we knew what to do with.
And by then ghost Hunting TV wasstarting to make an appearants and so in
August of two thousand and four,I started the Colorado Coalition of Paranormal Investigators.
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We started, you know, bringingon team members and to help us
out and you know, training themup and teaching them you know what we
knew and uh, you know,over the years, the faces have changed,
but our mission remains the same,and that is to help people,
you know, with integrity and withdignity, utilizing as scientifically as possible techniques
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that can provide the best quality datato our clients and to the investigation community
as a whole. You know,you've been to our website and you've seen,
uh, you know, some ofthe stuff that we have to offer,
and so we we try to provide, you know, the best quality
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data out there to contribute to thefield. Yeah, I mean again,
I'll bring it up again. Andyour website's great. I really like it.
It's user friendly and uh, it'sreally cool. And before I go
any further, I want to echowhat Bristol said and thank you for your
service greatly, greatly appreciate that mypleasure, and uh, let me just
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dive in. Now, you're likean OG ghost hunter. You were doing
it before everybody was doing it.To be honest, I think you're the
first one that I've talked to thatactually started doing it before TV made it
so popular, because everyone else seemslike that's where they got it. They
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started watching ghost adventures and taps andall that, and then they started doing
it. But you were doing itbefore that, right, I was,
Yeah, I was. I was. I was one of the like you
said, one of the og outthere, you know, with a juggling
a flashlight and an analog tape recorderand a polaroid camera, and then then
a thirty five millimeter and then adigital camera. You know, once those
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became more mainstream, and now nowwe have digital audio recorders and you know,
all kinds of camera, you know, night vision camcorders and ddrs and
SLS systems, and the technology youknow, over the last thirty years has
just it's just mind boggling. Andsomething else that caught my attention was your
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reaction to this full body apparition,this man that you saw at you weren't
afraid, you said, and yousaid you called your mom, and your
mom action was, well, areyou going to try to see him again?
I'm not. That's that's awful.That's pretty cool of your mom.
I think, Yeah, it didn'toccur to me be afraid. He was
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He was tangible and and three dimensional. Now, if he had been transparent
or gross or you know, Imean, if he'd been bleeding or or
something, you know that, thenI might have been a little more unnerved
than what I was. But didhe walked through a wall? Come on,
he walked through a wall and disappeared. Hubble was left going, what
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what? What just happened. Imean, granted, I was still I
was still a teenager when that happened, you know, I was, I
was nineteen when that happened, andso you know that my fight or flight
really wasn't there. I was.I was very befuddled and just going what
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happened, you know, And itdidn't occur to me to be afraid at
the time. And then I youknow, talking to my mother, I'm
like, you're not gonna believe whathappened today, and and so yeah,
and that's that's how that got started. I would have had to have changed
my drawers. Did you ever findout who he was? No questions nou
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At the time, there was stilla stigma attached to having had a paranormal
encounter of any kind, whether itwas seeing a ghost or seeing an extraterrestrial
or seeing Bigfoot. There was stilla huge stigma attached to admitting that you'd
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have those experiences. And that's oneof the things that paranormal TV has done
to benefit the field, is thatit's helped to remove the stigma attached to
having had those experiences. But ifI had said to anybody on that military
installation that hey, I saw aghost. They would have had me in
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for a psyche val faster than Icould blink faster. Yeah, and you
hear that more and more because youhear of these instances on military basis.
Wayne's nephew was on not too longago, and he had an encounter with
the same, you know, typeof thing, and you hear about it
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more and more, and their rebuttalis the same. They would have pulled
me, They would have pulled me. Yeah, you know now that you
mentioned that. When we had Jacobon that, Like, the first story
he shared was he was on watchone night and this apparition of another soldier
walked up to him and started totalk to him, and the dude just
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disappeared. Yeah, you know,so that and he he described it a
lot like you're describing it. Theuniform seemed older, not like current,
So I think that's true. Look, yeah, the the uniform you know
that I saw it was you know, sixties, seventies up into the eighties.
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That just plane olive, drab,combat fatigue. And but again he
looked out of place. But Iwill say again he was he was clean
cut, he was rugged, hewas handsome and and tangible. Well I'm
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interested. Did anything else happen whileyou were in the military. No,
no, no, try as Imight. You know, I I didn't
have any other paranormal encounters while Iwas while I was in the service.
It wasn't until after I got outand had more uh more expendable time uh
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to go and look for ghosts andets encryptids that you know that I started
having more sas Okay, So takeus to from the time you get out
of the military and you have thesprend that you find out, y'all share
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the same passion and y'all start goingout and doing it and looking. How
were the early days of forming theorganization? What were some things that happened
that kind of taught you your wayor taught you lessons and like stumbling blocks
stuff like that. You know,I'm very glad that you that you asked
that question, because this is actuallyit's the story is hilarious. If you're
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if you're in the field, youwill know what I'm talking about. In
the very early days, we obtaineda high eight cam quorder, and it
wasn't a night vision cam quorder.It's just a straight high eight camera.
So we had to leave the lightson uh, in order to film anything.
And we we did this investigation inthis in this hundred year old building,
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had a great time. And wego back to my place and we're
watching this high eight video footage,you know, we you know, put
plugged it into the TV. Youknow, we're watching it, you know,
on my twenty seven inch television,which you know was pretty big back
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then. But and we see allof these orbs. Every time we walk
in the room. These orbs wouldjust start buzzing our heads and we're like
whoa, whoa. You know,you know, we had all of these
ghosts around us and everything. Whatlittle did we know at the time that
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what was happening was we'd walk intothe room and we'd stir up the dust
that was in the room, andso all of these orbs that are buzzing
our heads, you know, itwas just the dust that we were stirring
up. And uh, you know, but to this day, to this
day, yeah, we sat therefor hours going whoa, whoa, whoa.
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You know, Uh, to thisday, that is still the most
fun I have ever had doing dataanalysis. Wow, you know, because
something didn't you yeah, just youknow, the excitement level and we like
I said. We later learned thatit was dust. Uh you know,
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we and because it didn't happen whenwhen we were out of the room,
but boy, as soon as wewalked into the room, you know,
those little white balls alight just startedbuzzing us and and it was it was
the most fun. We we stayedup. Normally we would investigate all night,
sleep during the day, and takea couple of days to to review
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our findings. And for whatever reason, we got back to my place and
just started watching in the video footage. I think we were gonna watch it
until we fell asleep, and weended up staying up until about noon that
day just going whoa, you know, rewinding and watching it again and playing,
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you know, go back and forthand back and forth and just watch
just sitting there in disbelief over whatwe had experienced that we didn't even know
we'd experienced, because we didn't I'msorry, how y'all figure it out?
Uh? Well, we later learned, uh you know, through through time
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and further research and other investigators anduh, you know, and as technology
improved, you know, we learnedthat it was not something that y'all put
together that day. It's just that'sfunny. Yeah, yeah, And and
so then it came to be that, you know, all of those really
good ORB photos that we were soout of in the early days, you
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know, we had to throw themout, stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.
You know, tell how many peopleyou had told, man, you're
not gonna believe how many ghosts wesaw. Well, shit, never mind.
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I still have on my desk inmy office, partially for sentimental value
and partially because of the subject matter. I took a photo of my grandparents'
graves and there's there's a big orbana smaller orb in the photo. And
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again in those early days, Ibelieved that to be my grandparents. But
it had been raining, there wasa lot of moisture in the air,
you know, that evening when Itook that photo. So I am convinced
that, you know that it's thattheir water orbs, that they're not spirit
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orbs. And you know, so, partly for sentimental value and partly because
it's a photograph photograph of my grandparents'graves. I still have that framed and
you know, on my desk inmy office now, back in those early
days, just getting your start,or are there any investigations that stand out
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to you that were successful, thatthat you actually did get some some good
quality evidence. You know, there'sone that stands out right now. I
mean, we we did so many, uh that first year, we were
out every weekend. Well and fora while, we were out every night
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after work through the months of youknow, August, September, October,
we were out every night after work. And then after that, you know,
we're like, you know, hey, we need some sleep. So
know, then it you know,narrowed down to every weekend. But there
was one that we conducted in ina town in drive Work, Utah,
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and which is near near the townof Vernal, So if you you know
Utah, it's it's near Vernal,but drive Work. And we had been
through this cemetery and some of thepeople that are buried in the cemetery had
passed very, very tragically, andwe were aware of that. But we
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we got in, we we wrappedthings up and got in the car and
I didn't realize that I had leftmy audio recorder going and it was a
it was an analog recorder. Itwas one of those little micro cassette recorders
and it was in the back seatwith the rest of the gear and so
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we were up in the front seatand later going back, you know,
and listening to the hours and hoursand hours of footage. You know,
you hear us get in the carand everything. I'm like, well,
that's great. I left the audiorecorder on again, and you can hear
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the two of us, you know, up in the front seat talking about
something. I don't remember the whatwe were talking about, but you can.
And we're kind of muffled because theaudio recorder was actually inside a gear
bag, but so you can hearour muffled voices up in the front seat
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and very clearly as if somebody washolding the audio recorder inside the gear bag.
This voice whispers kill it, I'lldo it. And I was like,
whoa, Okay, that's you know, a little unnerving that there was
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someone or something in the car withus at that time, and they didn't
sound very happy at all with whatwas going on. Now, Clarissa,
that is that one of the EVPsthat's on your website. It is because
we were listening to that before wecame on. Tiffany and I were,
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and that's one of them that wewere talking about. Came through more clear
so I think what we might dois we might go ahead and share that
I think we should. And Iwanted to say because I was listening to
to them, and you know,generally with EVPs, they're so fast and
sometimes they're really you have to reallystrain to hear it. No, this
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is just like you and I sittinghere having a conversation, clear as day.
Yeah, we've got some really goodones posted on the website. Yes,
one hundred percent. Let's see it'sokay now, guys, let me
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know. I'm gonna play it afew times because I believe it's pretty short,
but let me know that y'all canhear it. Okay, here we
go. Yeah, okay, sohm, around the eight second mark,
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it's that you hear kill it,and then around the thirteen second mark you
hear I'll do it. So let'sdo that again to y'all can be listening
for it. Let's be bit oftruth. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
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play it one more time. Guys, that's a truth. Yeah, yeah,
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you can hear that. You canhear that really clear? Did it
come through? Okay, Tiffany,it did? Okay? Yeah, audience
members, let us know that y'allcould hear it, and while we're here,
I'm going to play another, butI'll ask you, Clarissa, are
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there any on here that you thinkare better that I can go ahead?
And? Oh, yeah, absolutelythere's one on there. We actually captured
it with a GoPro. We hada go pro position at the bottom of
the stairs inside this house, andin the audio clip you can hear the
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investigators kind of talking in the background, and then you hear this child's voice
just shout out, you know,I don't want to die, mommy,
And it really tugged at our heartstringsfor about a day until we actually were
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able to discern what was going onin that house, and that particular investigation
ultimately resulted in needing church intervention.Oh lord, so it's called I Don't
want to die? Okay, Sohere we go, guys. How creepy
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was that? Holy hell? Dowhat? I was like? I just
I couldn't. I couldn't handle that. Yeah, this one was really short,
So we'll do it a few times. It's about the two second mark,
y'all, here we go. OhGod, let's do it again one
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more time. Now that's creepy ashell. It almost sounds like mom I
don't want to die. Mh okay. So you said that the church had
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to get involved. You got totell us what happened. So and because
of our client confidentiality policy, youknow, I can't give a lot of
details, but the client reached outto us. Her husband was a veteran,
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having done three tours in the MiddleEast and seeing some serious action over
there and things. When he cameback and they were pregnant with their first
child, and everything things started happening, and the further her pregnancy progressed,
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the more intense things progressed. Andthen we got involved when their baby was
four weeks old. And by thendoors were opening and closing. They're laying
in bed at night and the kitchencupboards downstairs are just slamming, you know,
wham wam, wham, wam,wham all night long. And so
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she was very fearful for her baby. And you know, in in all
the years that I have been doingthis, you know, true, true,
legitimate demonic activity is not as popularas the television shows would have you
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believe, you know it, andso you know, and there's a difference
between a demonic entity and a malevolentspirit. And so in all of the
years that I've been doing this,there have only been four cases total that
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I would even consider categorizing as demonicin nature, and that was one of
them, partly because of that EVPand partly because I saw it with my
own eyes, and I wasn't theonly one on the team that saw it.
Uh, you know, my myexperience and my observation was validated by
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two other investigators, and so Iultimately I pulled the plug on that investigation.
I got my team out of thereand explained to the client what was
going on, and we were ableto help them arrange for clergy intervention so
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that so that the husband could getthe exorcism that he needed. And and
really that's what it was, washe he likely brought something back from the
Middle East that was wreaking havoc ontheir home and on their family and and
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and they were both So that's whatI'm talking about, scared to bring something
home with because oh, look,that's what I bring home. I mean.
But I'm glad that you talked aboutthat, because I want to touch
on this a little more before wemove on to the next one. So
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you said that only about three orfour times you've actually had a real demonic
Uh. That's to get our demoniccase. So, like you said,
there comes a point when you seethat that's what it is, and then
you pull yourself off of it andthen point them in the direction of a
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spiritual advisor. Maybe is that safeto say? Well, I point them
in the direction of a spiritual advisorbased on their beliefs. Because if you've
got a uh, if you've gota Christian family and you're calling in you
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know, a pagan priest or apriestess to come in. You know,
what they're doing may be temporarily effective, but the clients aren't going to be
doing that. They're not going tohave the spiritual resolve to to to maintain
it. Uh. So you know, a Native American shaman, you know,
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would not be as effective as say, you know, a priest or
yea or or some other uh spiritualleader of their same faith, uh that
has experience in that area that canperform either an exorcism or a deliverance.
Uh, you know, based onwhat is needed. And so you know
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that's what we would point them inthe right direction. Okay, Now you
said based on not only that EPPand stuff, that you heard. But
off of stuff that you saw,you made that decision. Can you talk
about what it was you saw thatled you to believe that it was the
moment? Yeah? Absolutely, Isaw. I was in the baby's room
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and there was a changing table,and so you know, there's there's two
two platforms to the changing table.There's the table itself and then there's then
there's a shelf underneath, you know, that holds supplies. And I saw
it was a little bit bigger thana cat, crawling upside down underneath that
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changing table, crawling toward me,and it was it was black and uh
and like I said, it wasa little bit bigger than a cat,
but it obviously wasn't a cat,and it was not any kind of earthly
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critter, you know. It wasn'tyou know, a raccoon or or anything
like that. You just took awaymy ability to sleep tonight. And I
want to thank you for that.I appreciate that. I say it all
the time. That's the big oldbox and note with a bow. That's
like a huge box and note withthe biggest bow. In all fairness way,
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you ask that's true, I askedfor it, but my god,
I could not imagine something crawling upsidedown in the baby room, the changing
table, Oh my god, crawlingunderneath that changing table. It was.
It wasn't underneath the lower shelf.It was underneath the table, the table
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portion crawling upside down. So wasthat one instance enough for you to say,
Okay, this is over my head. Need to get some religious people
in here. Yes, we alreadyhad the EVP. And anybody who's been
in the field long enough will tellyou that when you have data that appears
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to be a child, that's automaticallya red flag because they will disguise themselves
as children or women depending to tryto gain your trust and to try to
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get you to have sympathy for them, you know, so that they can
get their hooks into you. Andso we already had that young girl e
VP. So that was red flagnumber one. Red flag number two was
we were getting knocks and bangs insequence of three, and in sequence of
three is a mocking of the HolyTrinity, you know, so you know,
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shaven a haircut doesn't work with them. You know, they will knock
in sequence of three. And thenyou know, seeing that with my own
eyes, you know, I immediatelyremoved, you know, removed myself from
the room, and there was aninvestigator with me, because we always do
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go in pairs. She saw italso, and we went downstairs to the
tech center where the other two investigatorswere, and one of the other investigators
that was with us had seen thesame thing. But he thought his eyes
was playing tricks on him, andso he didn't say anything. He thought
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he was hallucinating in the dark,and you know, just you know,
which can happen. You know,paradolia is a very real thing when you're
investigating ghostly phenomena, and so hethought his eyes were playing tricks on him,
and he didn't say anything until wewent down and said this is what
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we saw, and he says,oh, yeah, I saw the same
thing. I'm like, that's that'sit. I'm pulling the plug. Wow.
Yeah, that that's interesting as hell. Any more of these clips stand
out at you that we can share, Oh, let's see. You know,
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we've we've got some disembodied voices.We've got one disembodied voice that we
believe is uh outlawing gunman Kid Curry. He was he Oh, he was
a stinker. He he rode withButch and Sundance, and they kicked him
out because he was too mean.Uh. Hell yeah, they kicked him
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out of the wild Bunch because hewas too mean. He was a killer,
and uh he ultimately uh took hisown life here in Colorado, and
we were up at his grave markerand I was telling the story about what
a stinker he was and how hehad been. His body had been exhumed
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and reburied several times to prove thatit was him. Stay tuned for more
paranormal odyssey. You know, aphysician had had wired the marshals service and
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said, you know, we havethis guy J. H. Ross,
you know who. He killed himself. He was wounded. He robbed a
train and the posse was after him. They wounded him. He decided that
death was better than jail, sohe shot himself and died. And we
have this guy J. H.Ross, And the and the doctor sent
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a sketch to the Marshall's office,well a marshall I think in Kansas,
said wow, that looks a lotlike Kid Curry, And so he was
dug up so that the doctor couldyou know, get other identifying mark's,
you know, documented and see ifit was Kid Curry and then he was
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reburied and Doc sent that off tothe Marciall Service. Well, Lowell Spence,
who was a Pinkerton agent that hadbeen tracking Kid Curry for quite a
while, got wind and so hecame to town and dug him up and
had him reburied. And so I'mtelling this, you know, this story
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to We had a guest investigator withus that night, and so I'm telling
this story and and you know,I made the comment about you know,
he he decided that death was betterthan than jail. Uh so he was.
He was yellow bellied and and shothimself. And right as I'm saying
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that, you know, we wewere, you know, we're having this
conversation and you hear what sounds likea man spurring a horse going yeah right,
And it was like right in themiddle of the four of us,
like he was spurring a horse andriding away like I'm mad at you,
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I'm leaving h and and you hearyou hear me go, whoa that was
human? Now that's on here right. What's it called it is? I
think it's called yah w y aw Yeah, there it is. Okay,
So we'll play that one real quick. By the way, wow,
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that was human. Wow. Youreally that's really what it sounds thought.
Hm, let's do it again.By the way, wow, that was
human. That was And that wasan ame. Sure, yeah, that's
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exactly what you said. Is exactlywhat it sounds like, Like someone's yelling,
y'all on a horse to get away. Yeah, like he's spurring a
horse to get away. Yeah,So let's do it. We're gonna do
it a couple of more times,back to back. By the way,
wow, that was human. Thatwas By the way, wow, that
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was human. That was. That'sawesome, very cool, very cool.
All right. I like how allthe a vps are so clear that you
just there's no denying what you're hearing. Yeah, you know. I you
mentioned the website and how good itis, and thank you for that,
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because that's aside from running the organizationand everything, I also do the website.
So thank you for the compliment.The website, and I don't put
anything up there that isn't you know, number one that isn't legit and number
two that isn't worth visitors time tolisten to. Yeah. Yeah, uh,
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I'm going to take it down.But these are so good. Let's
do another one. I'll pick one. Okay, that's okay, sure?
What is the ye hawl uh?It's the same same night, same cemetery,
Just another disembodied voice of of aman going saying, yeehaw, you
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know, is that a good one? Or do you recommend another one?
I'm trying to remember what's oh youknow what the dead bird? One?
Dead bird? Okay, yeah,tell us. So when people ask me
what my favorite investigation is or wasor has been, or what my most
memorable case was, I always tellthem about this house, this farmhouse that
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we worked in Nuclear Colorado, andit was a three story farmhouse that and
the owners just could not keep itrented. Somebody, you know. People
would come in, they pay theirfirst and last and deposit and within a
month they're like, keep keep themoney. We're out, we're breaking.
The leaves were gone. So theycalled us in and there were eight of
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us on scene that night in thisthree story farmhouse, and everybody was having
experiences tailored to their threshold. Soif an investigator was unnerved by seeing something,
they were seeing things. If theywere unnerved by being touched, they
were being touched. And of courseI've been doing this forever, and so
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I'm pretty desensitized to all of it. And I was getting bummed because I'm
not having any personal experiences. I'mnot seeing anything, I'm not hearing anything,
I'm not being touched them, nothing'sgoing on. Earlier in the evening,
we were told that we had electricity, but we didn't have any heat
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in the building, and so wewere told that we could light a fire
in the woodburning stove to stay warmthat night, but we needed to check
the stove pipe. And so whatultimately happened was we ended up having to
knock a crap ton of dead birdsout of the stove pipe before we lit
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the fire, because birds had gotin there and died. So we did,
you know, we knocked the birdsout of the stovepipe, and then
we shoveled them out and hauled themaway so that we could stay warm.
And myself and two other investigators wereup in the attic and I was utilizing
a night vision monocular so and itallowed me to see in the dark,
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but it was it didn't record,just gave me a little, you know,
little extra advantage when looking in dark, dark places. And I saw
what I thought was a dead birdturns out it was a piece of crumpled
up black trash bag, you know, a little small wat of wad of
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black garbage bag. But you hearme on the audio. The audio recorder
was probably fifteen feet from me,and so you hear me say, ew,
what is that? And then Iasked, hey, is there a
dead bird over there? And thetwo investigators that were closer to the audio
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recorder, they're obviously louder than Iwas. Like I said, I was
about fifteen feet away from the recorder, and you hear them going, oh,
no, I don't know where.When I got home and I'm going
through the data, you know,and again I'm bummed because I hadn't had
any personal experiences. I get homeand I'm going through the data, and
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I hear this particular section and youhear me go, ew, what is
that? And this voice goes deadbird? And then you hear me go,
is there a dead bird over there? Oh no, I don't know
where. Uh. That was mypersonal experience, and that unnerved me to
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no end because who or whatever wasthere was inside my head. It either
knew I thought I was seeing adead bird, or it was making me
think I was seeing a dead birdand so, and it's scary enough with
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just me in here. Yeah,so you know, to know that something
else was up inside my noggin isjust to this day still gives me the
williburgers. Okay, let's uh,let's play it. Yeah. Insert it
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kind of sounded like something whispered deadbird, didn't it. Let's do it
again. It's right after you saywhat is that? What is that?
Yeah? Yeah, but insert bill? Do it again? Yeah, insert
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bill. That is weird when youthink about it, because I mean,
y'all weren't really talking about the deadbird. You said what is that?
And then something said dead bird?And then the other person goes, is
that a dead bird? Yep?Definite chills. Yeah, that is so
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creepy. So yeah, so thatwas my personal experience that that really unraveled
me because because it was in myhead and yeah, that will do it.
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That's creepy. I was ready tomove on to something else, but
that gave me chills. We willgo ahead and move on because we're coming
up on the hour already. Butso I mentioned before, and I mentioned
it a thousand times. The thingthe only thing that has stopped me from
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doing what you do is the fearof something latching on. And we've talked
about that a little bit tonight,and I'm just wondering, has that ever
happened to you or anyone that youhave worked with personally known? Okay,
so to me, no, youknow, I take steps to ensure that
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that doesn't happen. You know,I utilize my faith, and I also
at the end of every investigation,whether it's just a field trip to a
cemetery or you know, someone's houseor someone's business or whatever, at the
end of every investigation, you know, I declare out loud, you know,
(51:47):
you cannot follow me. You haveto stay here. And I had
one investigator that decided that those measuresreally weren't necessary until they brought something home,
(52:08):
and then we had to deal withthat. In fact, we're still
dealing with that a little bit.Uh. We just had a over labor
day weekend. We had a threenight investigation at this investigator's house that they're
trying to sell, and we hadsome really, really, really good stuff
(52:35):
happen there. No EVP, butwe all had personal experiences. I even
had a jump scare moment because Iwas sitting at the tech center and so
I was momentarily blinded, you know, by the screen, the light of
the screen. I'm sitting in adark room and I've got this you know,
this screen, and I look upand someone had poked their head inside
(52:57):
the door and was looking at me. Ah. And so you know,
of course, the rest of theteam came running going, okay, why
is the boss you know chirping?Uh? And so that was you know,
we all had you know, somereally really cool experiences at that house.
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But I think we've got it.I think we've got it situated now.
So I think it's moved on.So what was this individual or was
it a male? Was it aman? Uh? Huh? Okay,
So what happened to make him thinkthat he brought something home with him?
Like what was happening with them?Well, almost immediately his toddler stopped sleeping
(53:50):
in her bed, and that wasalmost immediate, you know, and and
would say, you know, scaryman, scary man, scary and scary
man. Which you know, hethe investigator had always been really good about
not discussing in front of the toddler, you know, things of an investigative
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nature. Uh, you know,so that she wouldn't you know, start
talking. You know, he wouldn'the wouldn't even say the word ghost in
front of her, you know,so that she can't say, oh,
scary ghost. And then there werevery rapid mood and personality changes with him
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and and a couple other members ofthe family that were a little more sensitive
to it. H and you know, doors opening and closing, and you
know, things just intensifying footsteps upabove, you know, where there's there's
nobody upstairs and you hear footsteps,you thing things like that, and like
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I said, I'd say, that'sa pretty good indication. Yeah. Yeah,
so you know, we got wegot him a little bit of help,
got him a little bit of spiritualcleansing, and then you know then
we uh uh we unleashed on thehouse. We investigated for like I said,
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three nights and a lot of that. We went live on Facebook a
lot uh that weekend, just kindof you know, showing our viewers you
know, hey, you know thisis what we're doing, and this is
these are the experiments that we're tryingand oh my gosh, you've got to
(55:45):
see this kind of stuff. Andso that was a really really good weekend.
But it is also a prime exampleof why we take those safety measures
to ensure that we don't bring anythinghome. Yeah, and I've I've heard
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You're not the first one that I'veheard talk about doing that, and I
think it's a great idea to do. But my thinking is, this is
a demonic spirit. Why is itgoing to mind you? Why is it
going to do what you tell itto do? Right? And but again,
there's a difference between a demonic entityand a malevolent spirit. And contrary
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to what you see on television,demonic encounters are not that common. They're
they're actually quite rare. Legitimate demonicencounters are actually quite rare. And so
this was, you know, thiswas most likely just a just a stinker,
(57:00):
just a malevolent or ar andery spiritthat said, hey, you didn't
say I couldn't, so I'm goingto show you. And and part of
the reason that I know that washow easy it was to get rid of
it. Okay, all right,well close to tell everybody where they can
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find you, any websites, anysocial media that you're on, all that
good stuff. Ahead and plug anythingthat you like. Absolutely you can find
out more about me and ccp Iat www dot Collo paranormal dot com c
O l O paranormal dot com.You can also find us on Facebook by
(57:46):
looking up either Colorado Coalition of ParanormalInvestigators or go on Facebook dot com forward
slash Collo Paranormal and that's I thinkour our Twitter or x handle is at
color Paranormal also, so we're we'reall over all over social. We're not
(58:09):
on instad just because it's like,you know, if it's if it's worth
having up there, it's going tobe on our website. But Facebook is
a really good way to see youknow, where we're at, where we're
going, what we're doing. Wewere just at the Grand Junction Comic Con.
(58:29):
We had a booth there and thatwas a lot of fun. I
was able to sell my books andwe met a lot of great people.
And so that was you. Wedidn't even get a chance to mention your
books that you want to. Yeah, I have eight books on the market
about ghosts and the paranormal. Yeahyeah, uh to fiction? How many
(58:58):
nonfiction? I don't know and onechildren book. So I go purchase at
the website. You cannot buy themthrough the website. You can find them
on the website and the website willgive you an Amazon link, so yeah,
I'm all over Amazon. You canalso go to Amazon and just search
for Clarissa Vasquez. As long asyou spell my last name right, you'll
(59:22):
find me. It's Vaz, notvas And you know, so all of
my books are are right there onAmazon. I do have an author page
on Amazon, so you can youcan find me there. My most recent
book is The Phantom Hitchhiker Project andAmerica's Haunted Roadways, and the forward to
(59:45):
that book was written by Rick McCollumof Hollywood Ghost Hunters. Oh wow,
awesome, very cool. Yeah course, send me any links of anything that
you want to share, and thenwhen I released this to podcast, I
mean a week or so, I'llinclude all those so you'll just be a
(01:00:05):
click away for everybody. Great,All right again, let me thank you
for taking the time to come andhang out with us on this Saturday evening.
It was a lot of fun.This was one of the more fun
shows that we've done in a while. Yeah. Agree, do you have
such a very I don't know theright words. You have a very good
(01:00:28):
energy about you. Thank you so, and it definitely even though we're talking
through the screen like you can.I don't. I don't know. I
don't know how to say it,but you can like feel your energy and
it's just you just have a reallygood energy about well. I mean,
you obviously have a passion for whatyou do, and I think that comes
through. Yeah. I wouldn't havekept doing it for almost thirty years if
(01:00:53):
I if I didn't like it.Yeah, I'd say so. All right,
Well, uh you enjoy the restof your note, and again,
thank you, ma'am, thank youfor having me. This was a lot
of fun. I agree with Byebye, Bye bye.
I was listening to the story aboutIt was the story of a family in
Washington, and the little boy calledthe big Foot the cowboy man, and
he had apparently it had made aneffort to steal this kid. And it
hit me. My children were inthat place. Pen behind me were nothing
but a mosquito net over him.It could have crept up behind me and
(00:25):
taken both of my children, andI wouldn't know. Father just got like
a Mustang or something from Wyoming,Okay. He had it out in the
corral because he couldn't put it inthe barn with the in the stalls,
with the other horses that would kickand made all the other horses nervous.
Had a seminal Indian work in thehorse, trying to break it. Every
(00:48):
day. They had it out inthe corrawl. This skunky snuck up behind
his horse and brammed it bonnets,hind quarters. This particular horse that kicks
out, jumps over the corral,runs into the pit, you know,
to get away. At this point, the ranchers out there just blessed away
with the dirty dirty snell gave lensinto the slump. I went up there
(01:11):
one day after that or two daysafter that, I went up there and
sat in the silence up there,and I'm telling you, man, it
was free. It was crazy,you know it was. There was a
crazy vibe up there. Still.I did what I could to kind of
get things out of control. ButI told her, I said, you
need to get off this problem.I feel like, no matter how strong
you are, it's almost like standingin the ocean. You can't stand still
(01:33):
without moving your feet. You're goingto get knocked over eventually. No matter
how strong whatever, you can't withstanda barrage of of weird spiritual energy.
Hey, what's up? Everybody's wayne? Welcome back to Paranormal Odyssey. Got
a good show. End up withyou today, got miss Calissa Basquez on
(01:57):
Clissa is the founder of the ColoradoCoalition of Paranormal Investigators. She came on
one of our episodes of Paranormal OdysseyLive and had a chat with Miss Tiffany
and myself. Had a really goodtime over there. We were able to
share several of the EVPs that she'sbeen able her and her group have been
(02:17):
able to capture over the last severalyears, and some of them are really
really good. I mean all ofthem that we shared were really good,
but she's got more over there onher website. You guys are welcome to
go check out. We had agreat talk with Clarissa. It was really,
really a good time. But beforewe get there, I'd like to
ask everyone to please take a second, go rate and review the show wherever
(02:40):
it is you get your podcasts.If you've had an encounter and would like
to come on and share it withme, I would love to talk to
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(03:01):
We would greatly appreciate it. Ialso want to ask everyone head over to
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I want remind everyone about the YouTubechannel Hereonormal Odyssey Live. We are
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(03:23):
guys to head over there and checkthat out. All right, that's enough
of all of that. I knowthat if you're ready, I am ready.
Let's get started. There. Sheis clarics. How you doing,
ma'am. I am doing great,guys. Thank you so much for having
me. Yes, ma'am, thankyou very much for taking the time to
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come and hang out with us tonight. I greatly appreciate that. Let me
get this fixed so we're not staringthere. You go, all right.
So, as we said a littlebit earlier, you were in Colorado,
and we were talking a little bitbefore. You're in Great Bigfoot territory.
But we're going to talk about ghostsand spooky stuff tonight, if you would
(04:11):
tell us all about how you gotyour start, how long you been doing
this, and what got you started. So I got my start in the
mid nineties. I've been doing thisfor several decades now. But back when
I was active duty in the military, I was a very low ranking person
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on a very tall totem pole andthe hospital at my duty station was in
the process of converting their former morgueinto a physical therapy department. So,
being that low ranking person on thatvery tall totem pole, one of my
duties at that time was to helpwith the help clean up the construction debris.
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And one afternoon, it was alate autumn afternoon, I came back
from chow or lunch and walked intothis completely gutted basement area and saw a
man standing in the middle of theconstruction zone. He was wearing a uniform
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that was it was like the nineteenseventies and eighties combat fatigues, the olive
drab fatigues, as opposed to thegreen camouflage that we wore back then.
He was very rugged, handsome,clean cut, and tangible. He was
(05:48):
not wispy or see through or anything. I mean, he was just as
real as you and I sitting herehaving this conversation. But he looked out
of place just the same. Andso I got within about ten feet of
him and asked him if I couldhelp him with something, and he looked
(06:11):
at me and then looked away andwalked through a cinder block wall and disappeared.
Holy shit. Yeah, And thatcinder block wall was an exterior wall,
so it wasn't like he could havegone around it or anything. It
was one of the one of theactual building walls of the hospital. And
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so it didn't occur to me atthe time to be afraid. I was
more like, you know, whatthe heck did I just see? And
so I went back to my barracksthat night and I called my mom,
like, you are not going tobelieve what just happened. She says,
well, are you going to tryto see him again tomorrow? I'm like,
well, yeah, absolutely. Andthe internet was in its infancy back
(06:57):
then. Goho setting TV was nota thing. I mean, occasionally you'd
see something on Unsolved Mysteries, butthere really wasn't anything. There weren't any
digital sources to be had. SoI did what anybody would do at the
time, and I got a librarycard off base and started get reading every
(07:18):
book I could get my hands on. I was reading books by Ed Warren
and Hans Holzer and you know,really learning about what I had experienced,
and I learned about polaroid cameras andanalog tape recorders, and you know,
from there, I you know,I bought an analog tape recorder and a
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polaroid camera and started, you know, going to cemeteries and abandoned locations,
you know, places where I probablyshouldn't have been, especially by myself and
at night, and ultimately, youknow, figured out what I was doing.
You know, a lot of trialand error, and I don't know
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how many thousands of dollars in polaroidfilm and cassette tapes. And then fast
forward to the early twenty first centurywhere a friend of mine and I discovered
that we shared this passion. Wehad this shared passion for ghosts, and
(08:24):
I started showing him, you knowwhat I had, you know, what
I had learned over the years,and how to do it. Word got
out that we were, you know, going to cemeteries and checking out creepy
places together, and people were saying, Oh, you need to come check
out my house, or you needto come check out my workplace. And
(08:48):
before long we had more more casesthan we knew what to do with.
And by then ghost Hunting TV wasstarting to make an appearants and so in
August of two thousand and four,I started the Colorado Coalition of Paranormal Investigators.
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We started, you know, bringingon team members and to help us
out and you know, training themup and teaching them you know what we
knew and uh, you know,over the years, the faces have changed,
but our mission remains the same,and that is to help people,
you know, with integrity and withdignity, utilizing as scientifically as possible techniques
(09:39):
that can provide the best quality datato our clients and to the investigation community
as a whole. You know,you've been to our website and you've seen,
uh, you know, some ofthe stuff that we have to offer,
and so we we try to provide, you know, the best quality
(10:01):
data out there to contribute to thefield. Yeah, I mean again,
I'll bring it up again. Andyour website's great. I really like it.
It's user friendly and uh, it'sreally cool. And before I go
any further, I want to echowhat Bristol said and thank you for your
service greatly, greatly appreciate that mypleasure, and uh, let me just
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dive in. Now, you're likean OG ghost hunter. You were doing
it before everybody was doing it.To be honest, I think you're the
first one that I've talked to thatactually started doing it before TV made it
so popular, because everyone else seemslike that's where they got it. They
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started watching ghost adventures and taps andall that, and then they started doing
it. But you were doing itbefore that, right, I was,
Yeah, I was. I was. I was one of the like you
said, one of the og outthere, you know, with a juggling
a flashlight and an analog tape recorderand a polaroid camera, and then then
a thirty five millimeter and then adigital camera. You know, once those
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became more mainstream, and now nowwe have digital audio recorders and you know,
all kinds of camera, you know, night vision camcorders and ddrs and
SLS systems, and the technology youknow, over the last thirty years has
just it's just mind boggling. Andsomething else that caught my attention was your
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reaction to this full body apparition,this man that you saw at you weren't
afraid, you said, and yousaid you called your mom, and your
mom action was, well, areyou going to try to see him again?
I'm not. That's that's awful.That's pretty cool of your mom.
I think, Yeah, it didn'toccur to me be afraid. He was
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He was tangible and and three dimensional. Now, if he had been transparent
or gross or you know, Imean, if he'd been bleeding or or
something, you know that, thenI might have been a little more unnerved
than what I was. But didhe walked through a wall? Come on,
he walked through a wall and disappeared. Hubble was left going, what
(12:24):
what? What just happened. Imean, granted, I was still I
was still a teenager when that happened, you know, I was, I
was nineteen when that happened, andso you know that my fight or flight
really wasn't there. I was.I was very befuddled and just going what
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happened, you know, And itdidn't occur to me to be afraid at
the time. And then I youknow, talking to my mother, I'm
like, you're not gonna believe whathappened today, and and so yeah,
and that's that's how that got started. I would have had to have changed
my drawers. Did you ever findout who he was? No questions nou
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At the time, there was stilla stigma attached to having had a paranormal
encounter of any kind, whether itwas seeing a ghost or seeing an extraterrestrial
or seeing Bigfoot. There was stilla huge stigma attached to admitting that you'd
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have those experiences. And that's oneof the things that paranormal TV has done
to benefit the field, is thatit's helped to remove the stigma attached to
having had those experiences. But ifI had said to anybody on that military
installation that hey, I saw aghost. They would have had me in
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for a psyche val faster than Icould blink faster. Yeah, and you
hear that more and more because youhear of these instances on military basis.
Wayne's nephew was on not too longago, and he had an encounter with
the same, you know, typeof thing, and you hear about it
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more and more, and their rebuttalis the same. They would have pulled
me, They would have pulled me. Yeah, you know now that you
mentioned that. When we had Jacobon that, Like, the first story
he shared was he was on watchone night and this apparition of another soldier
walked up to him and started totalk to him, and the dude just
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disappeared. Yeah, you know,so that and he he described it a
lot like you're describing it. Theuniform seemed older, not like current,
So I think that's true. Look, yeah, the the uniform you know
that I saw it was you know, sixties, seventies up into the eighties.
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That just plane olive, drab,combat fatigue. And but again he
looked out of place. But Iwill say again he was he was clean
cut, he was rugged, hewas handsome and and tangible. Well I'm
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interested. Did anything else happen whileyou were in the military. No,
no, no, try as Imight. You know, I I didn't
have any other paranormal encounters while Iwas while I was in the service.
It wasn't until after I got outand had more uh more expendable time uh
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to go and look for ghosts andets encryptids that you know that I started
having more sas Okay, So takeus to from the time you get out
of the military and you have thesprend that you find out, y'all share
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the same passion and y'all start goingout and doing it and looking. How
were the early days of forming theorganization? What were some things that happened
that kind of taught you your wayor taught you lessons and like stumbling blocks
stuff like that. You know,I'm very glad that you that you asked
that question, because this is actuallyit's the story is hilarious. If you're
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if you're in the field, youwill know what I'm talking about. In
the very early days, we obtaineda high eight cam quorder, and it
wasn't a night vision cam quorder.It's just a straight high eight camera.
So we had to leave the lightson uh, in order to film anything.
And we we did this investigation inthis in this hundred year old building,
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had a great time. And wego back to my place and we're
watching this high eight video footage,you know, we you know, put
plugged it into the TV. Youknow, we're watching it, you know,
on my twenty seven inch television,which you know was pretty big back
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then. But and we see allof these orbs. Every time we walk
in the room. These orbs wouldjust start buzzing our heads and we're like
whoa, whoa. You know,you know, we had all of these
ghosts around us and everything. Whatlittle did we know at the time that
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what was happening was we'd walk intothe room and we'd stir up the dust
that was in the room, andso all of these orbs that are buzzing
our heads, you know, itwas just the dust that we were stirring
up. And uh, you know, but to this day, to this
day, yeah, we sat therefor hours going whoa, whoa, whoa.
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You know, Uh, to thisday, that is still the most
fun I have ever had doing dataanalysis. Wow, you know, because
something didn't you yeah, just youknow, the excitement level and we like
I said. We later learned thatit was dust. Uh you know,
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we and because it didn't happen whenwhen we were out of the room,
but boy, as soon as wewalked into the room, you know,
those little white balls alight just startedbuzzing us and and it was it was
the most fun. We we stayedup. Normally we would investigate all night,
sleep during the day, and takea couple of days to to review
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our findings. And for whatever reason, we got back to my place and
just started watching in the video footage. I think we were gonna watch it
until we fell asleep, and weended up staying up until about noon that
day just going whoa, you know, rewinding and watching it again and playing,
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you know, go back and forthand back and forth and just watch
just sitting there in disbelief over whatwe had experienced that we didn't even know
we'd experienced, because we didn't I'msorry, how y'all figure it out?
Uh? Well, we later learned, uh you know, through through time
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and further research and other investigators anduh, you know, and as technology
improved, you know, we learnedthat it was not something that y'all put
together that day. It's just that'sfunny. Yeah, yeah, And and
so then it came to be that, you know, all of those really
good ORB photos that we were soout of in the early days, you
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know, we had to throw themout, stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.
You know, tell how many peopleyou had told, man, you're
not gonna believe how many ghosts wesaw. Well, shit, never mind.
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I still have on my desk inmy office, partially for sentimental value
and partially because of the subject matter. I took a photo of my grandparents'
graves and there's there's a big orbana smaller orb in the photo. And
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again in those early days, Ibelieved that to be my grandparents. But
it had been raining, there wasa lot of moisture in the air,
you know, that evening when Itook that photo. So I am convinced
that, you know that it's thattheir water orbs, that they're not spirit
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orbs. And you know, so, partly for sentimental value and partly because
it's a photograph photograph of my grandparents'graves. I still have that framed and
you know, on my desk inmy office now, back in those early
days, just getting your start,or are there any investigations that stand out
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to you that were successful, thatthat you actually did get some some good
quality evidence. You know, there'sone that stands out right now. I
mean, we we did so many, uh that first year, we were
out every weekend. Well and fora while, we were out every night
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after work through the months of youknow, August, September, October,
we were out every night after work. And then after that, you know,
we're like, you know, hey, we need some sleep. So
know, then it you know,narrowed down to every weekend. But there
was one that we conducted in ina town in drive Work, Utah,
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and which is near near the townof Vernal, So if you you know
Utah, it's it's near Vernal,but drive Work. And we had been
through this cemetery and some of thepeople that are buried in the cemetery had
passed very, very tragically, andwe were aware of that. But we
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we got in, we we wrappedthings up and got in the car and
I didn't realize that I had leftmy audio recorder going and it was a
it was an analog recorder. Itwas one of those little micro cassette recorders
and it was in the back seatwith the rest of the gear and so
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we were up in the front seatand later going back, you know,
and listening to the hours and hoursand hours of footage. You know,
you hear us get in the carand everything. I'm like, well,
that's great. I left the audiorecorder on again, and you can hear
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the two of us, you know, up in the front seat talking about
something. I don't remember the whatwe were talking about, but you can.
And we're kind of muffled because theaudio recorder was actually inside a gear
bag, but so you can hearour muffled voices up in the front seat
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and very clearly as if somebody washolding the audio recorder inside the gear bag.
This voice whispers kill it, I'lldo it. And I was like,
whoa, Okay, that's you know, a little unnerving that there was
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someone or something in the car withus at that time, and they didn't
sound very happy at all with whatwas going on. Now, Clarissa,
that is that one of the EVPsthat's on your website. It is because
we were listening to that before wecame on. Tiffany and I were,
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and that's one of them that wewere talking about. Came through more clear
so I think what we might dois we might go ahead and share that
I think we should. And Iwanted to say because I was listening to
to them, and you know,generally with EVPs, they're so fast and
sometimes they're really you have to reallystrain to hear it. No, this
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is just like you and I sittinghere having a conversation, clear as day.
Yeah, we've got some really goodones posted on the website. Yes,
one hundred percent. Let's see it'sokay now, guys, let me
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know. I'm gonna play it afew times because I believe it's pretty short,
but let me know that y'all canhear it. Okay, here we
go. Yeah, okay, sohm, around the eight second mark,
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it's that you hear kill it,and then around the thirteen second mark you
hear I'll do it. So let'sdo that again to y'all can be listening
for it. Let's be bit oftruth. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
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play it one more time. Guys, that's a truth. Yeah, yeah,
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you can hear that. You canhear that really clear? Did it
come through? Okay, Tiffany,it did? Okay? Yeah, audience
members, let us know that y'allcould hear it, and while we're here,
I'm going to play another, butI'll ask you, Clarissa, are
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there any on here that you thinkare better that I can go ahead?
And? Oh, yeah, absolutelythere's one on there. We actually captured
it with a GoPro. We hada go pro position at the bottom of
the stairs inside this house, andin the audio clip you can hear the
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investigators kind of talking in the background, and then you hear this child's voice
just shout out, you know,I don't want to die, mommy,
And it really tugged at our heartstringsfor about a day until we actually were
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able to discern what was going onin that house, and that particular investigation
ultimately resulted in needing church intervention.Oh lord, so it's called I Don't
want to die? Okay, Sohere we go, guys. How creepy
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was that? Holy hell? Dowhat? I was like? I just
I couldn't. I couldn't handle that. Yeah, this one was really short,
So we'll do it a few times. It's about the two second mark,
y'all, here we go. OhGod, let's do it again one
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more time. Now that's creepy ashell. It almost sounds like mom I
don't want to die. Mh okay. So you said that the church had
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to get involved. You got totell us what happened. So and because
of our client confidentiality policy, youknow, I can't give a lot of
details, but the client reached outto us. Her husband was a veteran,
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having done three tours in the MiddleEast and seeing some serious action over
there and things. When he cameback and they were pregnant with their first
child, and everything things started happening, and the further her pregnancy progressed,
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the more intense things progressed. Andthen we got involved when their baby was
four weeks old. And by thendoors were opening and closing. They're laying
in bed at night and the kitchencupboards downstairs are just slamming, you know,
wham wam, wham, wam,wham all night long. And so
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she was very fearful for her baby. And you know, in in all
the years that I have been doingthis, you know, true, true,
legitimate demonic activity is not as popularas the television shows would have you
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believe, you know it, andso you know, and there's a difference
between a demonic entity and a malevolentspirit. And so in all of the
years that I've been doing this,there have only been four cases total that
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I would even consider categorizing as demonicin nature, and that was one of
them, partly because of that EVPand partly because I saw it with my
own eyes, and I wasn't theonly one on the team that saw it.
Uh, you know, my myexperience and my observation was validated by
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two other investigators, and so Iultimately I pulled the plug on that investigation.
I got my team out of thereand explained to the client what was
going on, and we were ableto help them arrange for clergy intervention so
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that so that the husband could getthe exorcism that he needed. And and
really that's what it was, washe he likely brought something back from the
Middle East that was wreaking havoc ontheir home and on their family and and
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and they were both So that's whatI'm talking about, scared to bring something
home with because oh, look,that's what I bring home. I mean.
But I'm glad that you talked aboutthat, because I want to touch
on this a little more before wemove on to the next one. So
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you said that only about three orfour times you've actually had a real demonic
Uh. That's to get our demoniccase. So, like you said,
there comes a point when you seethat that's what it is, and then
you pull yourself off of it andthen point them in the direction of a
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spiritual advisor. Maybe is that safeto say? Well, I point them
in the direction of a spiritual advisorbased on their beliefs. Because if you've
got a uh, if you've gota Christian family and you're calling in you
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know, a pagan priest or apriestess to come in. You know,
what they're doing may be temporarily effective, but the clients aren't going to be
doing that. They're not going tohave the spiritual resolve to to to maintain
it. Uh. So you know, a Native American shaman, you know,
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would not be as effective as say, you know, a priest or
yea or or some other uh spiritualleader of their same faith, uh that
has experience in that area that canperform either an exorcism or a deliverance.
Uh, you know, based onwhat is needed. And so you know
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that's what we would point them inthe right direction. Okay, Now you
said based on not only that EPPand stuff, that you heard. But
off of stuff that you saw,you made that decision. Can you talk
about what it was you saw thatled you to believe that it was the
moment? Yeah? Absolutely, Isaw. I was in the baby's room
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and there was a changing table,and so you know, there's there's two
two platforms to the changing table.There's the table itself and then there's then
there's a shelf underneath, you know, that holds supplies. And I saw
it was a little bit bigger thana cat, crawling upside down underneath that
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changing table, crawling toward me,and it was it was black and uh
and like I said, it wasa little bit bigger than a cat,
but it obviously wasn't a cat,and it was not any kind of earthly
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critter, you know. It wasn'tyou know, a raccoon or or anything
like that. You just took awaymy ability to sleep tonight. And I
want to thank you for that.I appreciate that. I say it all
the time. That's the big oldbox and note with a bow. That's
like a huge box and note withthe biggest bow. In all fairness way,
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you ask that's true, I askedfor it, but my god,
I could not imagine something crawling upsidedown in the baby room, the changing
table, Oh my god, crawlingunderneath that changing table. It was.
It wasn't underneath the lower shelf.It was underneath the table, the table
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portion crawling upside down. So wasthat one instance enough for you to say,
Okay, this is over my head. Need to get some religious people
in here. Yes, we alreadyhad the EVP. And anybody who's been
in the field long enough will tellyou that when you have data that appears
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to be a child, that's automaticallya red flag because they will disguise themselves
as children or women depending to tryto gain your trust and to try to
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get you to have sympathy for them, you know, so that they can
get their hooks into you. Andso we already had that young girl e
VP. So that was red flagnumber one. Red flag number two was
we were getting knocks and bangs insequence of three, and in sequence of
three is a mocking of the HolyTrinity, you know, so you know,
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shaven a haircut doesn't work with them. You know, they will knock
in sequence of three. And thenyou know, seeing that with my own
eyes, you know, I immediatelyremoved, you know, removed myself from
the room, and there was aninvestigator with me, because we always do
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go in pairs. She saw italso, and we went downstairs to the
tech center where the other two investigatorswere, and one of the other investigators
that was with us had seen thesame thing. But he thought his eyes
was playing tricks on him, andso he didn't say anything. He thought
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he was hallucinating in the dark,and you know, just you know,
which can happen. You know,paradolia is a very real thing when you're
investigating ghostly phenomena, and so hethought his eyes were playing tricks on him,
and he didn't say anything until wewent down and said this is what
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we saw, and he says,oh, yeah, I saw the same
thing. I'm like, that's that'sit. I'm pulling the plug. Wow.
Yeah, that that's interesting as hell. Any more of these clips stand
out at you that we can share, Oh, let's see. You know,
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we've we've got some disembodied voices.We've got one disembodied voice that we
believe is uh outlawing gunman Kid Curry. He was he Oh, he was
a stinker. He he rode withButch and Sundance, and they kicked him
out because he was too mean.Uh. Hell yeah, they kicked him
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out of the wild Bunch because hewas too mean. He was a killer,
and uh he ultimately uh took hisown life here in Colorado, and
we were up at his grave markerand I was telling the story about what
a stinker he was and how hehad been. His body had been exhumed
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and reburied several times to prove thatit was him. Stay tuned for more
paranormal odyssey. You know, aphysician had had wired the marshals service and
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said, you know, we havethis guy J. H. Ross,
you know who. He killed himself. He was wounded. He robbed a
train and the posse was after him. They wounded him. He decided that
death was better than jail, sohe shot himself and died. And we
have this guy J. H.Ross, And the and the doctor sent
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a sketch to the Marshall's office,well a marshall I think in Kansas,
said wow, that looks a lotlike Kid Curry, And so he was
dug up so that the doctor couldyou know, get other identifying mark's,
you know, documented and see ifit was Kid Curry and then he was
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reburied and Doc sent that off tothe Marciall Service. Well, Lowell Spence,
who was a Pinkerton agent that hadbeen tracking Kid Curry for quite a
while, got wind and so hecame to town and dug him up and
had him reburied. And so I'mtelling this, you know, this story
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to We had a guest investigator withus that night, and so I'm telling
this story and and you know,I made the comment about you know,
he he decided that death was betterthan than jail. Uh so he was.
He was yellow bellied and and shothimself. And right as I'm saying
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that, you know, we wewere, you know, we're having this
conversation and you hear what sounds likea man spurring a horse going yeah right,
And it was like right in themiddle of the four of us,
like he was spurring a horse andriding away like I'm mad at you,
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I'm leaving h and and you hearyou hear me go, whoa that was
human? Now that's on here right. What's it called it is? I
think it's called yah w y aw Yeah, there it is. Okay,
So we'll play that one real quick. By the way, wow,
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that was human. Wow. Youreally that's really what it sounds thought.
Hm, let's do it again.By the way, wow, that was
human. That was And that wasan ame. Sure, yeah, that's
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exactly what you said. Is exactlywhat it sounds like, Like someone's yelling,
y'all on a horse to get away. Yeah, like he's spurring a
horse to get away. Yeah,So let's do it. We're gonna do
it a couple of more times,back to back. By the way,
wow, that was human. Thatwas By the way, wow, that
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was human. That was. That'sawesome, very cool, very cool.
All right. I like how allthe a vps are so clear that you
just there's no denying what you're hearing. Yeah, you know. I you
mentioned the website and how good itis, and thank you for that,
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because that's aside from running the organizationand everything, I also do the website.
So thank you for the compliment.The website, and I don't put
anything up there that isn't you know, number one that isn't legit and number
two that isn't worth visitors time tolisten to. Yeah. Yeah, uh,
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I'm going to take it down.But these are so good. Let's
do another one. I'll pick one. Okay, that's okay, sure?
What is the ye hawl uh?It's the same same night, same cemetery,
Just another disembodied voice of of aman going saying, yeehaw, you
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know, is that a good one? Or do you recommend another one?
I'm trying to remember what's oh youknow what the dead bird? One?
Dead bird? Okay, yeah,tell us. So when people ask me
what my favorite investigation is or wasor has been, or what my most
memorable case was, I always tellthem about this house, this farmhouse that
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we worked in Nuclear Colorado, andit was a three story farmhouse that and
the owners just could not keep itrented. Somebody, you know. People
would come in, they pay theirfirst and last and deposit and within a
month they're like, keep keep themoney. We're out, we're breaking.
The leaves were gone. So theycalled us in and there were eight of
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us on scene that night in thisthree story farmhouse, and everybody was having
experiences tailored to their threshold. Soif an investigator was unnerved by seeing something,
they were seeing things. If theywere unnerved by being touched, they
were being touched. And of courseI've been doing this forever, and so
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I'm pretty desensitized to all of it. And I was getting bummed because I'm
not having any personal experiences. I'mnot seeing anything, I'm not hearing anything,
I'm not being touched them, nothing'sgoing on. Earlier in the evening,
we were told that we had electricity, but we didn't have any heat
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in the building, and so wewere told that we could light a fire
in the woodburning stove to stay warmthat night, but we needed to check
the stove pipe. And so whatultimately happened was we ended up having to
knock a crap ton of dead birdsout of the stove pipe before we lit
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the fire, because birds had gotin there and died. So we did,
you know, we knocked the birdsout of the stovepipe, and then
we shoveled them out and hauled themaway so that we could stay warm.
And myself and two other investigators wereup in the attic and I was utilizing
a night vision monocular so and itallowed me to see in the dark,
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but it was it didn't record,just gave me a little, you know,
little extra advantage when looking in dark, dark places. And I saw
what I thought was a dead birdturns out it was a piece of crumpled
up black trash bag, you know, a little small wat of wad of
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black garbage bag. But you hearme on the audio. The audio recorder
was probably fifteen feet from me,and so you hear me say, ew,
what is that? And then Iasked, hey, is there a
dead bird over there? And thetwo investigators that were closer to the audio
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recorder, they're obviously louder than Iwas. Like I said, I was
about fifteen feet away from the recorder, and you hear them going, oh,
no, I don't know where.When I got home and I'm going
through the data, you know,and again I'm bummed because I hadn't had
any personal experiences. I get homeand I'm going through the data, and
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I hear this particular section and youhear me go, ew, what is
that? And this voice goes deadbird? And then you hear me go,
is there a dead bird over there? Oh no, I don't know
where. Uh. That was mypersonal experience, and that unnerved me to
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no end because who or whatever wasthere was inside my head. It either
knew I thought I was seeing adead bird, or it was making me
think I was seeing a dead birdand so, and it's scary enough with
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just me in here. Yeah,so you know, to know that something
else was up inside my noggin isjust to this day still gives me the
williburgers. Okay, let's uh,let's play it. Yeah. Insert it
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kind of sounded like something whispered deadbird, didn't it. Let's do it
again. It's right after you saywhat is that? What is that?
Yeah? Yeah, but insert bill? Do it again? Yeah, insert
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bill. That is weird when youthink about it, because I mean,
y'all weren't really talking about the deadbird. You said what is that?
And then something said dead bird?And then the other person goes, is
that a dead bird? Yep?Definite chills. Yeah, that is so
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creepy. So yeah, so thatwas my personal experience that that really unraveled
me because because it was in myhead and yeah, that will do it.
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That's creepy. I was ready tomove on to something else, but
that gave me chills. We willgo ahead and move on because we're coming
up on the hour already. Butso I mentioned before, and I mentioned
it a thousand times. The thingthe only thing that has stopped me from
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doing what you do is the fearof something latching on. And we've talked
about that a little bit tonight,and I'm just wondering, has that ever
happened to you or anyone that youhave worked with personally known? Okay,
so to me, no, youknow, I take steps to ensure that
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that doesn't happen. You know,I utilize my faith, and I also
at the end of every investigation,whether it's just a field trip to a
cemetery or you know, someone's houseor someone's business or whatever, at the
end of every investigation, you know, I declare out loud, you know,
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you cannot follow me. You haveto stay here. And I had
one investigator that decided that those measuresreally weren't necessary until they brought something home,
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and then we had to deal withthat. In fact, we're still
dealing with that a little bit.Uh. We just had a over labor
day weekend. We had a threenight investigation at this investigator's house that they're
trying to sell, and we hadsome really, really, really good stuff
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happen there. No EVP, butwe all had personal experiences. I even
had a jump scare moment because Iwas sitting at the tech center and so
I was momentarily blinded, you know, by the screen, the light of
the screen. I'm sitting in adark room and I've got this you know,
this screen, and I look upand someone had poked their head inside
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the door and was looking at me. Ah. And so you know,
of course, the rest of theteam came running going, okay, why
is the boss you know chirping?Uh? And so that was you know,
we all had you know, somereally really cool experiences at that house.
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But I think we've got it.I think we've got it situated now.
So I think it's moved on.So what was this individual or was
it a male? Was it aman? Uh? Huh? Okay,
So what happened to make him thinkthat he brought something home with him?
Like what was happening with them?Well, almost immediately his toddler stopped sleeping
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in her bed, and that wasalmost immediate, you know, and and
would say, you know, scaryman, scary man, scary and scary
man. Which you know, hethe investigator had always been really good about
not discussing in front of the toddler, you know, things of an investigative
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nature. Uh, you know,so that she wouldn't you know, start
talking. You know, he wouldn'the wouldn't even say the word ghost in
front of her, you know,so that she can't say, oh,
scary ghost. And then there werevery rapid mood and personality changes with him
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and and a couple other members ofthe family that were a little more sensitive
to it. H and you know, doors opening and closing, and you
know, things just intensifying footsteps upabove, you know, where there's there's
nobody upstairs and you hear footsteps,you thing things like that, and like
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I said, I'd say, that'sa pretty good indication. Yeah. Yeah,
so you know, we got wegot him a little bit of help,
got him a little bit of spiritualcleansing, and then you know then
we uh uh we unleashed on thehouse. We investigated for like I said,
(55:25):
three nights and a lot of that. We went live on Facebook a
lot uh that weekend, just kindof you know, showing our viewers you
know, hey, you know thisis what we're doing, and this is
these are the experiments that we're tryingand oh my gosh, you've got to
(55:45):
see this kind of stuff. Andso that was a really really good weekend.
But it is also a prime exampleof why we take those safety measures
to ensure that we don't bring anythinghome. Yeah, and I've I've heard
(56:06):
You're not the first one that I'veheard talk about doing that, and I
think it's a great idea to do. But my thinking is, this is
a demonic spirit. Why is itgoing to mind you? Why is it
going to do what you tell itto do? Right? And but again,
there's a difference between a demonic entityand a malevolent spirit. And contrary
(56:32):
to what you see on television,demonic encounters are not that common. They're
they're actually quite rare. Legitimate demonicencounters are actually quite rare. And so
this was, you know, thiswas most likely just a just a stinker,
(57:00):
just a malevolent or ar andery spiritthat said, hey, you didn't
say I couldn't, so I'm goingto show you. And and part of
the reason that I know that washow easy it was to get rid of
it. Okay, all right,well close to tell everybody where they can
(57:23):
find you, any websites, anysocial media that you're on, all that
good stuff. Ahead and plug anythingthat you like. Absolutely you can find
out more about me and ccp Iat www dot Collo paranormal dot com c
O l O paranormal dot com.You can also find us on Facebook by
(57:46):
looking up either Colorado Coalition of ParanormalInvestigators or go on Facebook dot com forward
slash Collo Paranormal and that's I thinkour our Twitter or x handle is at
color Paranormal also, so we're we'reall over all over social. We're not
(58:09):
on instad just because it's like,you know, if it's if it's worth
having up there, it's going tobe on our website. But Facebook is
a really good way to see youknow, where we're at, where we're
going, what we're doing. Wewere just at the Grand Junction Comic Con.
(58:29):
We had a booth there and thatwas a lot of fun. I
was able to sell my books andwe met a lot of great people.
And so that was you. Wedidn't even get a chance to mention your
books that you want to. Yeah, I have eight books on the market
about ghosts and the paranormal. Yeahyeah, uh to fiction? How many
(58:58):
nonfiction? I don't know and onechildren book. So I go purchase at
the website. You cannot buy themthrough the website. You can find them
on the website and the website willgive you an Amazon link, so yeah,
I'm all over Amazon. You canalso go to Amazon and just search
for Clarissa Vasquez. As long asyou spell my last name right, you'll
(59:22):
find me. It's Vaz, notvas And you know, so all of
my books are are right there onAmazon. I do have an author page
on Amazon, so you can youcan find me there. My most recent
book is The Phantom Hitchhiker Project andAmerica's Haunted Roadways, and the forward to
(59:45):
that book was written by Rick McCollumof Hollywood Ghost Hunters. Oh wow,
awesome, very cool. Yeah course, send me any links of anything that
you want to share, and thenwhen I released this to podcast, I
mean a week or so, I'llinclude all those so you'll just be a
(01:00:05):
click away for everybody. Great,All right again, let me thank you
for taking the time to come andhang out with us on this Saturday evening.
It was a lot of fun.This was one of the more fun
shows that we've done in a while. Yeah. Agree, do you have
such a very I don't know theright words. You have a very good
(01:00:28):
energy about you. Thank you so, and it definitely even though we're talking
through the screen like you can.I don't. I don't know. I
don't know how to say it,but you can like feel your energy and
it's just you just have a reallygood energy about well. I mean,
you obviously have a passion for whatyou do, and I think that comes
through. Yeah. I wouldn't havekept doing it for almost thirty years if
(01:00:53):
I if I didn't like it.Yeah, I'd say so. All right,
Well, uh you enjoy the restof your note, and again,
thank you, ma'am, thank youfor having me. This was a lot
of fun. I agree with Byebye, Bye bye.
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