November 15, 2023 • 56 mins
On this episode of Paranormal Odyssey, we welcome Bigfoot Michigan Rob to the program. Rob shares the terrifying encounter with a Sasquatch that started him on his journey to discover as much as he could on the subject. This one will keep your attention for sure!
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I was listening to the story aboutIt was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called thebig Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effortto steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in thatplace pen behind me with nothing but a
mosquito net over them. It couldhave crept up behind me and taken both
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of my children and I wouldn't know. Father just got like a Mustang or
something from Wyoming. Okay. Hehad it out in the corral because he
couldn't put it in the barn within the stalls, with the other horses
that would kick and made all theother horses nervous. Had a seminal Indian
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work in the horse, trying tobreak it every day. They had it
out in the corrawl. This skunkysnuck up behind his horse and grammed it
bonne its hind quarters. This particularhorse that kicks out, jumps over the
corral, runs into the p youknow, to get away. At this
point, the ranchers out there justblessed away with the thirty thirty snowcap runs
into the swamp. We had adrag queen. We just wanted to see
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what kind of that's kind of whatwe do. We do what are the
easier goes to second star? Youknow, tough guys. What are they
gonna see at they and we havebeautiful women, we had ugly women.
We had the gambit of women.But we you know, what are they
gonna do? Well? They needlove to man. You know some guys
like that. You Hey, what'sup? Everybody's wayed? Welcome back to
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Paranormal Odyssey. Got a good showlined up for you guys today. Had
a chance to sit down with BigfootMichigan raw oh i uh I came on,
had a really good talk with Tiffanyand myself over on Paranormal Odyssey Live
on YouTube. He's had a reallygood time hanging out with him, getting
to know him and listen to someof the things that he's experienced. And
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I'm happy that you guys are goingto get to hear it before we get
there, though, if you wouldtake a second, go rate and review
the show wherever it is you getyour podcasts. If you've had an encounter
and would like to come on andshare it with me, I would love
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so, all right, guys,that's about it. I know that you
are ready. I'm ready. Let'sget started. Oh what's up, buddy,
Hey, Wayne a, Tiffany,how's it going? Hey good,
thank you for coming on. Yeah, you know, it's my pleasure.
Thanks for having me. You guyssound a lot like me. You know.
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On my show, I usually gothrough about before the start of each
show, I got about eight toten minutes worth of you know, promos
for a couple of channels. I'mevolved with the radio part and all that.
And it's always good to do though, right because you got to get
your name out there and all yoursponsors and what you have going on,
you know, throughout the week,the month, the year. So yeah,
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that's always important to do. BecauseI thought I was like the only
one that did that. I said, Man, I promote a lot of
stuff, so no good. I'mglad that. Yeah, we fit right
in. Yeah yeah, And speakingof grass, I cut mine today and
let me tell you I've got athree more three more kuts left. I
mean it's still in the eighties hereand it's raining tomorrow. Oh yeah,
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you know, southern Michigan is it's. First of all, this has been
a real weird summer. It's beencooler than normal. We've had like back
to back ninety ninety ninety and seventythen rain, rain, rain, and
it's been the worst year for mefor my garden. It's suffering. But
my grass, Tiffany, it don'tstop growing. It don't stop growing.
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It does not. It's as green. It's as green as it's ever been.
I please say, yes, right, mind down here's brown has been
brown this year. I mean itmore brown than usual. I don't know
what it is down here in thesouth. It's just hard as hell.
Well yeah, miss yeah, you'rein Michigan, obviously, and yeah,
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yeah, there's a big difference probablyas were always probably ten degrees hotter at
least probably, Yeah, and uh, you know, also you mentioned your
show, Rob, you were gonnabe actually going on at nine o'clock.
Cannot and you had a this planfor that nine o'clock hour. Who was
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that that you had planned? Yeah, I got this guy coming on coming
I named Wayne t'ther row, andI've got another guest joining him by the
name of Tiffany. So yeah,so after this show ends, we got
about twenty minute break in between,and then of course Wayne, if you
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can make it, I know yougot things going on, but it'll be
me and Tiffany and we'll be kickingback and kind of be like a part
two. You know, it'd becontinuation. I'll be able to kick back
and listen after this show because youknow, and after I speak for the
next forty minutes whenever we got left. But yeah, so I'm looking forward
to that. So thanks for that. It's a double it's a double,
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double decker, double feature, Iguess. Yeah, it's a double feature.
Yeah, you have to bring theextra popcorn. Yeah, extra extra
butter, extra butter. Yes.Yeah. Uh. You know, we
Rob and I talked about this abouta month ago. We set it up.
Neither of us had ever done anythinglike that, thought it would be
really cool. And then yeah,life happens in my sitter is not going
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to be able to keep scarlet forthe entire time. If at all possible,
I'm gonna jump on with you guys. You at least get Tiffany.
Oh yeah, that'd be fine,that'd be great. Yeah, talk about
sitting. I'm sitting my niece's dog, who was sneering at me. So
after this show, has I hada race? Race him home. She's
only like eight minutes away. Sobut we got to no worries. Everything's
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gonna be work out perfect. Andagain thanks for having me on. Man.
Yeah, yeah, we're just gonnago ahead and jump into it.
But you were telling me about thisencounter that that you should have shared quite
a bit, but I've never heardit. Tippany's never heard it. Were
sure that there's probably some of usour audience members. I hadn't heard it,
but you said, it's kind ofwhat gots you started in this whole
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big thing. So if you don'tmind, let's hear it. Okay,
yeah, it really doesn't. Andagain, you know, about a year
ago, I said, you knowwhat, I'm done telling my encounter story
because you know, it seems likewhen. I mean, that's the only
ENCRYPTID encounter I've really had was thisone, and it would really set me
for a loop. Right. Ihad suffered from PTSD for a while.
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I had nowhere to turn overhere togo, and I just felt, well,
you can't. What I experienced isso hard to process. Right.
So, but about a year ago, though, I said, well,
bi on hr, I'm done doingmy story. And then I tell you
what a lot of people had said, No, you got to keep telling
that because a people haven't heard it, and be even people that have heard
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it, it just resonates with alot of people. So I decided,
well, you know what, Iguess you're right. I mean, let's
think about it. You know,if you're on YouTube or whatever platform you're
on, you always think you havejust you're talking to the same audience.
But from show to show, platformto platform, it does vary. So
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yeah, so I just tell itwithout without second guessing myself. So but
yeah, but it's how it started, It's how I started my channel.
So I wrote a book because ofall this, and and you know,
I'm growing up as a kid.I will preface it by saying this,
I always believed in the supernatural orthings that are different. I was a
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different kid growing up. My dadbrought me up watching you know, Lawn
Chainey, Bela Lagosi, you knowBoris Karlov. So right off the bat,
I was into monsters. And thenI found Leonard Nimoy in search of
was Bigfoot. I said, wow, that's pretty cool. And I was
a kid when I saw that,and I was immediately really interested in bigfoot.
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And of course back then there Iwas going to grade school, and
there's no books on big for it, but I tried my darnness to always
try to get information on the subjectbecause I was just so into it.
But life goes on, and throughoutmy entire life, I've had other experiences
with the paranormal, ghosts, justreally odd things, but not really until
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twenty eighteen. June fifteenth of twentyeighteen is when I came across what I
call a bigfoot. And even tillthis day, you guys, I question
even what it was, and you'lland as the story unfolds, you'll kind
of get a reason why. Soanyways, as June fifteenth, twenty eighteen,
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and again I live in southern Michigan, you know, I'm like maybe
an hour from Ohio. And atthe time my girlfriend Cindy, I had
surprised her and I took her.I rented a cabin in a small fishing
boat in Cadillac, Michigan. CadiacMissions about two hundred and two hundred and
fifty miles northwest of here and asmaybe half an hour from Lake Michigan.
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And the reason I had surprise nervesbecause Cindy wasn't really much of a outdoors
girl, right, and I dolike the outdoors. I'm not really a
hunter. I do mostly like fishing, and I just like exploring and hiking
in the woods. This is nother bag at the time. So I'm
like, look, let's just dothis, and she's like reluctantly, she
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agrees. So we head up toCadillac, Michigan. We get to Cadillac,
maybe it's eight and nine in themorning. It's the middle of the
week, like a Wednesday, perhaps, so not a lot of activity on
the lake. I set up,got our little cabin, got the boat.
It's like a little skiff, notjust a runner to just do some
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fishing. It's not like a rangerbass boat. It says good enough for
two people to troll about the lake. Now Lake Cadillac, however, and
Lake Mitchell they're connected. Now LakeMichigan Lake a Cadillac, excuse me,
is extremely It's a very big lake, very big lake surrounding this entire expanse
of water, a lot of beautifulhomes, a lot of small business,
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a lot of shops along the lakes, the shore front. There was a
small industry back in town and alot of shops. Again, nice quaint
place to visit. In fact,in summertime a lot of people do go
there for a little mini vacation.So this is kind of what this was,
a fishing trip, and let's justkick it in Cadillac, so to
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speak. So we get we setup everything, and we get out Lake
Cadillac. I get the boat out, Cindy's in the boat, we got
all our gear, and off wego. We're out on the water.
And for about the first hour orso of fishing, I could tell Cindy's
already getting bored because, to behonest with you guys, there's not a
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bite. We're not getting a nibble. And it's for me it wasn't boring,
but for her there's no action.Right away, She's getting not many
people on the lake, so Isaid, well, why don't we just
find a different section on this lake. So I take the little boat and
I start exploring the lake along withCindy. Now, unpronounced to me,
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there's a channel on this lake thatconnects to another lake, and this lake
is now called Lake Mitchell. LakeMitchell is probably as big as Cadillac,
probably not as big, but it'svery sizable, and there's not as many
homes or business though around the lake. And the nice thing about Lake Mitchell
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is it backs up to the ManisteeNational Forest, so you have this expansive
backdrop of the beauty at the time, the beautiful green forest, you know,
not as many homes, not asbusy. In fact, it wasn't
busy at all. Cadillac wasn't evenbusy. So I said, okay,
nice, let's drift along the shorelinehere, steer into the forest, the
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woods, and I'm gonna set upour tackle, our bait, right.
So Cindy's like, okay, cool, So she kind of likes it,
likes the scenery. So I'm lookingdown into the boat and I'm configuring the
fishing tackle when Cindy says, hey, Rob, I think somebody's throwing rocks
at the boat. So I lookup, I look to the shoreline,
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and I don't see anything there.And I told Cindy, now, there's
nobody's throwing rocks. There's nobody alongthe shore line. And then I said,
hey, it's maybe some fish jumpingaround, so we might we might
finally catch something. She's like,yeah, okay, whatever you know.
And then maybe ninety seconds sixty secondslater, she is a little more emphatic,
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says Rob. If someone throwing rocksat the boat, as she says,
she's seen a rock boom dropping infront of the front of the boat.
Now I look up again. Ilooked to the shoreline again, and
now I am like Cindy. ThenI try to explain her. Look at
the shoreline, there's not a lotof area for somebody to stand. Now,
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I'll be it you guys, we'reabout ninety feet from shore, so
sure somebody could probably throw a rock. That's not that great of a distance.
It's like running from first base tosecond base in baseball. But I
said, look, there's nobody there. Nobody's there. So I said,
hey, I tell you what,let me get back to working on our
rod and reel, get our tackletogether. I'll join you and we'll both
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look together. She's like, okay, So I get back at putting the
rods the reels together, blah blahblah. For whatever the reason, I
look up into the air the sky, and I see an object falling from
the sky. Now, you guysgot to remember too, you know the
it's a bright blue sky, thesun was just blazing. And I see
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this object I'm trying to make.I'm thinking, what is that? And
as it gets closer to the waterto her plunk maybe four feet in front
of us, and it is arock, maybe the size of a baseball.
So I turned to Cindy to kindof apologize and say, man,
there is something going on. There'ssomebody screwing around with us. So I
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go to look at her. ButI got to tell you, you guys,
when I see Cindy, she isasphyxiated staring at this shoreline. And
I never seen her face the sideof view of her face or profile,
I can tell she's somewhat scared.And this is again, as I said
June fifteenth, she already had atan going. Cindy was one of these
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tan worshippers. As soon as it'sseventy sixty eight degrees in May. She's
out laying in the sun. Right. Her whole body from head to toad
was just turned white. It wasthat she lost the entire tan. It
was like she was a She lookedghostly, you guys. So I like,
what the hell is she looking at? And I looked at the shoreline
and they're standing at sure had tobe about a nine foot humanoid. Okay,
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it was an animal. I'm thinkingright now, real quickly, you
guys. Like an animal. It'sstanding spot, It's nine foot tall,
it's got reddish brown hair. Hehad long arms on its side, kind
of extended a little past the knees. And the thing about this, and
I am ninety feet away, soI get a pretty nice glimpse of this
thing and it's standing there. Andthis face was human I said humanoid because
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it looked like a human but notThere was something wrong with this this creature.
First of all, he had thislong, beautiful, flowing hair.
It's not a bear. It's nothinglike that. The face was humanoid.
But the thing about the faces,it looked like it had a deformity.
It looked I always describe it aslike a person with like down syndrome.
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The face was kind of it waskind of gray, it was kind of
wrinkled. His eyes were like notpair, they were like kind of offset
eyes, and it just had thisconfused dumb to look. It looked human,
but it wasn't human. It's whenI'm first thing I'm thinking, right,
I'm like, what in the hellis this? Before I can actually
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process what I'm looking at, ittakes his arms. As I said,
the arms are on its side,and it raises the arms parallel to the
water, extending out again parallel.Now it kind of rolls his head back
and as I explained, this humanoidlooking grayish down syndrome, looking kind of
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wrinkled up across the old face.It gets all taut, very tight.
The mouth opens, but it's likethe jaw extends or gets destended or detached.
It drops a good six and ahalf seven inches. And as the
jaw drops, you guys down,it's almost like the whole bottom side of
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his mouth completely fell down. Andit opens his mouth, and it reminds
me if you remember pac Man,how the pac Man the circle had with
the ba ba bah. That's whathis mouth was just soul and gaping like
that. And I do notice twoteeth to up top they were kind of
like they looked like oversized canines ofmaybe like a German shepherd perhaps, And
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down at the bottom of the mouthwas two like in scissors, thinner but
tightly together, kind of going upwards. So I saw like four teeth,
and this face has got taught andit would It looked like you guys,
It transformed from that humanoid looking downsyndrome person humanoid into what I still today
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described as admon It looked demonic.It looked like something out of a Marvel
comic book. It was frightening.The other thing prior was creepy, but
this was frightening. And what's reallyscary about this is when it drops the
jaw, it kind of leans backand from its inner sides less south is
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roar, this howl, this screamall in unison. It's and it's directed
right at Cindy and I. Nowwe're both standing and I can literally fill
the depth of this roar skid acrossthe lake and it and it hits our,
it hits us. I can feelthe reverberation boom inside my chest.
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Beside my body. In fact,I kind of fall back a little bit,
you know, a couple of inches. But Cindy, all five foot
one hundred and nine pounds of her, flipped off the boat and this thing
is roaring. Now. I knowthat I have to get here into the
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boat, obviously, so I goto turn to my immediate right she was
to the right of me, togo get her in. But you guys,
at this point, stay tuned formore paranormal odyssey as I made.
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There's a reason why I make mentionof how you know it be the beautiful
green in the forest, the bluesky, the reddish brown hair of the
creature, and everything else is becauseat this point, you guys, now
I'm looking through a filter. Myvision is now just disturbed in this fashion
where everything is dull looking. Idon't want to say like true black and
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white, but it's very grainy,very dull. It seems like time was
even standing still for a moment.And I cannot move to my right because
I am paralyzed, my stressing out, my traumatize, whatever it is,
I don't know, but I can'tmove to my right. I can't move,
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and this thing is just yelling nowI'm starting to now I kind of
start I start shaking my head,shaking my head like Rob stamp out of
it. Rab stamp out of it, so boom, I snap out of
it. All of a sudden,the color comes back. I'm more cognizant
now with my surroundings, the colorsin. I don't hear this thing no
more. I go to the tomy right, I pick up help get
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sending into the boat. I gether into the boat. Now. Kind
of as creepy and scary as thatis, I I for me, I
was the most terrified is when Ilook to the shoreline. And when I
look to the shoreline, this thingis now gone. I look around,
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there's nobody around. I get.I get to the to the motor of
the boat, and I just openit up and I just floored it.
And I just I opened up thatthrottle all the way and skid it all
the way across Like Mitchell, Iwent through that canal, got out of
Lake Cadillac, and I belined itall the way to where I launched the
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boat. And I'm not paying attentionabout anything now looking around, I'm just
going because I want to get theheck out of there. I make it
to where I launched the boat earlier. I dock it. I get like
a beach tower or something to wraparound Cindy. She's like freezing, shivering,
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and it's probably because she's terrified,because like at this point, it's
maybe twelve o' o'clock in the afternoon, it's maybe eighty degrees. So I
get a towel wrapped around her.We get out of the boat. Now
I immediately look for somewhere to sitdown. I'm getting out of this little
dinky boat. We gotta go sitdown, and the cottage is a little
further away. So the first thingI do, I started walking towards town,
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maybe a half block end. There'sthis bar on the corner against maybe
twelve twenty now in the afternoon.I go into this bar. Thankful,
there's like really nobody in there,maybe a couple of customers. We get
in and I turned, I lookedto the left, and then the back
left of this bar is in thecorner is a nice booth for us.
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The bar maid young lady comes upto us, and we're both sitting across
from each other now at this point, and the lady, the server asks
us what we're having right now.Cindy not a drinker. I mean the
years I was dating her, Inever seen her drop a beer, a
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drink, nothing, a beer,whiskey, wine, nothing. She says,
I'll have a bottle of bud Lightand a shot at Jack Daniels.
I'm like, whoa, this reallygot to her, not that it didn't
get to me, but for herto order a drink was really something else,
not a drinker at all. AndI says, The young lady turns
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to me and I says, yes, I'll uh, what do you have?
I said, I'm gonna have whatshe had, but make mine a
double. She goes back to thebar get our drinks. So Cindy and
now still have not said a wordthis entire time until we're waiting on our
drinks now and Cindy says to me, Hey, honey, what do you
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think that was? And then I, kind of trying to process this,
said I don't know, honey,what do you think that was? And
she says, I think maybe itwas that bigfoot creature. Now when she
said that, also, she neverdrank before, and at least in front
of me. Ever, we nevertogether as a couple talked about like Bigfoot
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or cryptives. Sure, we mighthave watched some horror movies and stuff like
that, you know, but neverthe subject to bigfoot. And she just
came up with that, and I'mlike, then, I say back,
I says, you know, honey, I think maybe it was. So
we're sitting there now, the thelady brings our drinks back. She takes
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that shot down like a champ,like she's been drinking for thirty years,
bottle butt light, washes it down. I do the same. Then she
says, you know, should wecontact the DNA, Should we call the
sheriff, you know, should wereport this? I'm like, really,
really, like report what what dowe actually see? Right? Because we
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didn't see no bear, we didn'tsee no wolf, we didn't What we
saw was not a creature or ananimal of the forest that I'm aware of.
Anyways, She's like, yeah,you're probably right. So it kind
of ruined that weekend or that wellmiddle of the week Wednesday kind of ruined
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that and neither one of us wantedto stick around. So we packed up
our stuff and we headed back home. As soon as we get home,
we we literally immersed our in thesubject of like Bigfoot. Right now,
we were like, I never usedYouTube for anything. I never knew the
YouTube. Even at shows like this, I never knew YouTube. I just
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used YouTube Manda, watch rock concertswith my buddies, my girlfriends sitting around.
Never use it for anything, nothow to fix a flat nothing.
YouTube was not even on my radar. The Internet, of course, was
so on YouTube and on the internet. We both were looking up you know,
bigfoot, monsters, stuff like that. We're typing in and I was
kind of dissatisfied a lot of thefeedback I was getting from YouTube and on
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the internet. First of all,none of the things that we saw from
pictures or images online matched up.There was more demonic looking things with this
creature ended up looking like later morelike that. But as far as like
the Bigfoot, it didn't look likeno Patty, it didn't look it just
was just this unique individual person,right, So we were just immersing that
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for some time. So I didn'tlive with Cindy. She lived with her
mom, and her mom never likedme because I was the devil myself because
I owned a bar. Her momcalls me August fifteenth with this is so
crazy, you guys. June fifteenthof twenty eighteenth, twenty eighteen. Excuse
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me, I saw that I hadthat encounter Cindy and I. August fifteenth
of twenty eighteen, her mom callsme, who hates me, and said,
Cindy passed away. Well, Igot to tell you guys something.
I don't know what I can tellyou guys other than this, my world
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was like smashed crumbled. Right.I'm like, what the hell are you
talking about? It passed away?What do you mean she passed over to
I mean, I can't I'm noteven thinking, you know, she died.
Heah. She says she had aheart attack, this and that,
and she's no longer with us.She hangs up the phone on me.
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That's the last time I talked toher mom. Because, as I told
you guys, the reason why Itold you guys, she's not a drinker
or a smoker. I don't thinkI told she's not a smoker, but
she didn't smoke either. But youknow, to have a heart attack when
you're pretty much in pretty good shape. So anyways, that was my first
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thing about Bigfoot, some some evil, creepy creature. So with that being
said, she's now a long nowshe dies, I go in a dark
space, you guys, I justdidn't know what to do. I was
a bar I owned my own business, it was the bar. I remember
going talking to my bar manager.I said, look, man, here's
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what you need to do. Idon't know when I'm coming back to work.
Just take the money at the endof all the shifts and just put
it in the bank to positive forme. Please don't rip me off.
I got something I need to dealwith, Okay, Rob, no problem.
And I've trusted this guy. Hewas in business with me for about
five or six years, so Imean, if I can't trust him,
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hey, And at this time,you guys, I didn't care. So
I start just looking up as muchas I can. Now I start getting
more involved. I start reaching outto people in the quote unquote bigfoot community,
the paranormal community, all the differentcommunities, you know, whether they
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were Satanic, demonologists, Bigfoot researchers, ghost hunters. I mean I was
calling and trying to get a holdof all these people. Nothing really was
doing it for me. Then Idid find a couple people like my buddy
Texts, you know, Texas fromPorch. It was had some experiences himself.
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My main thing is I want tomake sure A I wasn't going crazy.
Did I really see what I saw? MB? Did it kill my
girlfriend? Who did it? Attributed? Because I thought when we got hit
with that, you know people Now, later on I learned perhaps it was
infrasound, but you know, Iknow what that is today, you know,
I mean, what I went through, I'm also sure it's got that
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power. It was more like ayou know, what I got hit with
was like a sonic blast. Youknow. I always tell people, if
you ever see those movies with Hiroshimawhen they dropped the bomb, and you
see that shock wave kind of emanatingout from the the from the impact point,
and it kind of just has thatwave. I didn't. I didn't
see a wave like that, butit's kind of what it felt like boom
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when it hit me. So I'mthinking that maybe her little insides got messed
up and it took two months forher just something something went wrong. Now,
of course I'll never know that,because I tried to get an autopsy
report, and I tried to geta lot of information regouting her death.
But again, we weren't married,weren't blood relatives, so to this day.
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That is a mystery and be reallywhat I saw, I don't want
to it was something I call itbigfoot, but just to have that metamorphosis
or metamorphoses however we say it intoone thing to another thing. I have
some theories on that today. Butit just set me on this path because
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now I was lost and alone forlike six I didn't go back to work
for six months. Six months,you guys, and I was in a
dark place seeking answers, not reallygetting any of them. Then again,
I hooked up with my friend textsuh and kind of helped me with a
bunch of stuff. He churned me, and I've got a couple of his
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friends I've spoken with. So that'sthat put me down the path. And
then somebody says, you got tospeak on this. So I did a
video on it, the Bigfoot thatMichian Rob channel was born just out of
I didn't know what to do.I made a video. So my name
is Rob. I saw a bigfoot. I live in Michigan. So I
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just made up a handle Bigfoot missionRob, just to put out the dumb
video, right because people said yougot to speak on and stuff. People
know, because if people don't knowyour encounter, there's no way you can
get any help because the average shoeat the bar, the average shoe at
work, is not going to helpyou because they probably don't believe it and
be never had an encounter. Sothat was the twenty eighteen you guys,
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And that's that leads me to usstarting the channel, you know, writing
the book that I put out lastAugust. And I've been doing my show
for two years, but I've beenresearching it for the last five and like
a lot of people seeking answers,you know, which I'm sure will that's
such a a what type of answersare we looking for? It's a real
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question, right, Yeah, Beforethere's a lot of unpack there. Uh,
Before we do, I want toask you this this question from Naom.
Well, before that, I wantto offer you condolences for the loss
of your girlfriend. Uh, thatstory took a turn, man. I
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wasn't expecting that by any man.I told you, I told you it
was something. Yeah that Uh.Naoma Finn is asking how many encounters have
there been in that area, andI'm wondering how many of them describe the
creature similar to yours? Well,in that First of all, this is
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in Wexford. Now it's Cadillac,Michigan the county, and Michigan is Wexford
County. Now Wexford County is adog is the quote unquote. I mean,
I'm just saying this. There's alot of people use this as a
coin. This phrase, whether it'strue or not, is really like to
dog man capital of Exford County orthe state of Michigan. There's been many
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dog man encounters that I've read aboutand seen, and I think the Wexford
Wexford County alone, I think iseighteen reports. Miss miss pretty heavy with
with the dog man anyway, rightright, Yeah, that's dog man.
Michigan has got a lot of dogman encounters and sightings, I should say,
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and Wexford County is the hub wherethe majority of them are. And
Wexford County was the county that Iwas in when I had my when I
did have the encounter, right so, and yes, also to answer Nioma,
I did start talking. I gotit when I did that video five
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years ago. I got an outpouringof people from that Wexford area and Cadillac
area, and the man got ahold of me via email because my email
is a public and says Rob,I've heard those same how I explained you
guys to the growl, the grunt, the yell, the scream. He
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has heard those at night from LakeMitchell himself throughout for many years. Never
seen one, but he says,I know exactly what you're talking about.
As far as those howls, I'veheard them all the time. In fact,
this man, because if you lookon Google, because you could go
to Google Earth and it can showthe exact area where I was. Because
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I and he sent me a mapof the area and I confirmed on the
map. So what he did forme because I've not been back there,
okay, I started driving there onenight, then turned around that was just
ready. However, I had thisexperience from the shore, from from the
body of water Lake Mitchell. Itwas actually Mitchell's Bay to be exact,
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because that's what it's named on theon the map. But he took my
information and he accessed where I wasfrom the road that runs through there,
and he went through the road andaccessed the forest and he says, man,
after about fifty yards in though itgot real swampy, and you know,
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if he was looking he was reallylooking for some evidence for some tracks
or what have you, because nowit was more from my story, was
more pinpointed to where he could lookfor these howls that he would hear.
And in fact, this man liveson Lake Mitchell never seen anything but heard
many strange howls at night. Andin fact, I talked to maybe I
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don't want to say half a dozen, maybe three or four other people that
I've spoken with over the last fiveyears in that vicinity have heard lots of
creepy sounds at night that are notnatural or nothing, because there's no bear
out there, there's no wolves outthere, So these these sounds are coming
from something right, and nobody canput their finger on it. Now,
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I do want to go back.I love to go back here and just
go to that town and just havea town you know, one of those
town meetings you know who. I'ma nobody, so, but you know,
like a town hall meeting to talkabout has anybody seen bigfoot out here?
Dog man out here? Right?That's what I really need to do
next, to be honest with you, because this is not done for me.
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I mean, i I'm way better. I'm good today as far as
that goes I'm out in a darkplace no more. I mean, I've
accept the fact of that Cindy haspassed away, accept the fact that I
saw something that the mind could notprocess. But when I've heard other people
have heard those sounds, and I'veseen there's like nineteen or twenty reported sightings
of bigfoot in the area, andof course a lot of dog men in
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Wexford County. That is a hotspot and it's something that in the future
I definitely would like to spend maybea couple of weeks and just hang out
there. But you know, Igot things going out here at the house,
personal stuff, So it's like whenI get time eventually, I think
that's the next step. But againa long wait answered that question. Yes,
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some people have heard some strange thingsout in that area. So let
me ask you a question. Probablyalways walk on you way, and I'm
sorry it's way far off in leftfield, but it's something that just it
just dawned on me. Okay,So I'm thinking and processing the way you
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describe this creature. Yes, andthey're both in this area, big pot
and dog man both. What arethe chances that maybe they bread together?
Like you always hear the turf wars. But what if? Because this whole
thing is what if. I mean, I've never thought of that or had
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No one's ever brought that up tome except for now. But I will
tell you this, I'm open toeverything. I mean, I'm an open
minded person, and that to me, it is not sound far fetched.
I mean, can they reproduce togetherif, first of all, if they're
both flesh and blood, right,if they're you know, and everyone has
varying opinions on if they are mammals, which I don't think they are.
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But if that was the case,or humanoid or a humanoid, then yeah,
perhaps, But I don't think ahumanoid could mate with a with a
dog man because my opinion of dogman is more of a paranormal thing,
to be honest with you. Butthen again again it's such another I mean,
we could talk another two hours onthe dog men scenario, because there's
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I think there's three or four differenttypes myself, one being paranormal, one
being flesh and blood and with bigfoodor sasquatch. Again, it's always always
hard for me to really say ifthis was I've talked to a very good
friend that says it was, whichI do believe and trust, but to
go for that metaphor just to physicallychange itself as drastically as it did.
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And I did research like bad boomsthrus ample stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.
You know, bad bombs are creepyenough to look at, but you
know, they have a great waywhere they're threatened or if they want to
scare somebody, they can contort thatface and make you look one hundred percent
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different as well. I mean theirskin goes back right, their teeth,
you're really big compared to the priorlook. That they'll have a pond being
scared or frightened or just wanted toscare somebody or another animal. So but
with that theory, I am nota person to say yes or no to
it. I think that since wedon't know much about these things to begin
(40:45):
with, and I'm no expert.Hell, I've been doing this for five
years, you guys, and Ican't tell you what the hell it is.
Well, I think it's speculation atthe you know, you know,
I mean, yeah, there's speculation, and in education, you know,
yeah, I mean everybody's encounter andexperience is different, right, So That's
what I like about, you know, even doing my show, or doing
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a book, or doing the bookwhich I which is a bunch of different
reports and stories I've gotten over theyears. There's data points for everything.
I'm a big data guy now andI never was a data guy five ten
years ago, right, But Ilike hearing people's encounters and just making and
jotting down and plotting what they looklike, what the experience, what time
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of day was it was it fall, spring, summer? All these things
are important again, data points thatwe can just put away, research them,
compile these reports, and to makecomparative analysis. Right because a lot
of these stories. The one thingI love about this, although everyone's story
(41:52):
might be different, I find inninety percent of them, we have a
lot of the same, very samecommonalities, right, And hundreds of thousands
of people aren't copying each other.You know what I'm saying. No,
exactly, Yeah, you know exactlywhat you're saying. And and Tipny,
like you said, it's all speculationat this point. But that's a really
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good question. I like that question, Chiff. I ever thought of it,
and no one's asked me of that. I've never thought of it.
Myself, and I don't know.That's another I just wrote. I wrote,
in fact, I wrote that down. Something else to look into now,
right, think outside the box.You're right, hey, in this
field, you gotta think out ofthe box. You do. People are
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always talking about these different types,you know, the top four of the
top five variants and all this stuff. I mean, what if what if
they have bread and created different types. I don't know. Well, first
of all, we don't even knowwhat they are to begin with, So
I don't know. Hey, listen, you know there's there's sasquatch that or
spiritual inn people, ancient people.I believe in that. I also,
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you know, I believe in thefirst nations to see these things as a
spirit body. I know that peoplehave seen it as a physical entity that's
turned into a spirit paloity or somethingquote unquote paranormal. So even with the
Sasquatch, Bigfoot, there's a lot. I think there's different degrees. And
I also think it's different the wayit presents it to certain people. You
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know, some people can see thingsthat others cannot. You got to think
about that as well. And everyonehas different and everybody processes information differently.
You know, and the dog manthing to me is more of a paranormal
thing. You know, you gotthe dog man, which I think is
paranormal or supernatural. But I alsothink there is an actual two legged,
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hocked animal with a German shepherd's headthat walks around that I think is physical.
But when you talk about these onesthat are seven foot and they you
know, they look like a Warewell, if that's a whole other creature in
my book, you're right, you'reat Yeah, we're coming up on the
hour. But before we get out, Rob, I did want you to
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spend a little bit of time talkingabout the appearance of the creature. And
one thing that stuck out to me, and I've heard it so many times
before, is that mention of abit of a down syndrome. Yeah,
I will tell you this guy's tooreally quickly. Sabilla Irwin great friend of
mine. She's a fantastic she doesfantastic renditions of bigfoot dog men or really
(44:30):
whatever you want. But she's acryptid gal. We completed both renditions of
my encounter, which I'm going tobe having a show on it here in
another month or two, where she'sgonna beyond and I'm going to present what
I saw is what she did isninety three percent, ninety five percent exactly
(44:50):
what I saw. So I can'twait to finally show people. Now,
yes, yes, now with thatanswer you question. The very first image,
it looked like again, reddish brown, long flowing hair, beautiful hair
beautiful, looked like a humanoid.Looked like a human, but an odd
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person. When I say down syndrome. That face kind of looked like let
me tell you this. You eversee Michael Myers mask, how he has
that dumb looking face and the Halloweenmovies, you know, no expressionalists.
This thing was expressionalists prior to thetransformation expression lists. The eyes were just
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kind of crooked, they weren't youknow, they weren't like ours. There
was one was higher than the other, one was lower. And yeah,
I just had this in the mouthyou could tell was big, although it
was shut at the time, youcould tell it had this big jaw,
and it had like the face wasjust the skin texture was like just like
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gravelly, kind of wrinkled, youknow. But but the eyes, the
eyes and just that look, ithad the look that it wasn't alive,
you know, it just kind oflike because if you think of the Michael
Myers mass, that doesn't look alive, right, it just kind of looks
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like an animated object. Inanimated object. The thing was more inaminated looking in
the face than it was I tellyou what when it turned into the demon.
It was very animated and very terrifiedlooking. But it and you don't
often wonder often wonder too because youknow, like Wayne said, we do
hear of all the descriptions of youknow, some of the Bigfoot having the
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look of down syndrome. Maybe theyare inbreeding. I mean that could be
I've heard that, and that couldbe you know, breeding within their clan.
You know. Another theory is thismaybe it was bred in its clan
or in its family and they realizedthat this inbreeding presented a problem child.
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Right, because think about it.What we do know about Sasquash or Big
Four. They are socialized group,right, They travel together. They very
rarely are out. They might goout in a solo mission, maybe looking
for food or hunting, but there'salways one around, right. But somebody
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was telling me that this one couldhave been when it was just kicked out
of its family. You're a rogue, You're a rogue animal or a person
or whatever herby is you want attachedto it and here get lost. And
people have suggested, highly suggested.Maybe that's what I came across, just
a real pissed off plan looking tostrike a strike up with another clan or
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something. Well, you know,yeah, I thought about the Janus Carver
story. You know how Blackie waskicked out and he was just awful.
I thought about that too, Ithought, again, I'm not fag with
that story, but great points.Again, you know anything, you know,
(48:07):
anytime of hell, even as usas human beings, right, a
lot of families were one one individual'syou know, you have the maybe the
black sheep of the family, right, and they're ostracizing and they're made fun
of, they're kicked out of theirfamily, which is a sad situation all
around. Right. We all knowpeople or families like this probably and that
(48:30):
person ends up just being the ninetimes out of ten, you know,
they are kind of like the weirdone, you know. But then again,
shame on the family for kicking themout so without helping somebody. And
then it's another deep subject. Butby the theory of this thing being a
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rogue or being kicked out of theKlan is one that I'm probably leaning towards
the most because today everybody listening toyou guys, it wasn't a demon.
I mean it manifested or metamorphosized intosomething. It wasn't a demon now,
in my opinion, I thought itwas back then because but that's why I
always describe it looking like a demon. And again, when I present these
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two renditions from Sabilla here the nextcouple of months, you guys will get
what I'm talking about. And everybodylistening that has heard the story, and
and yes, but still because I'mlooking in my mind, I'm thinking in
my mind right now, you guys, and it was just like a night
and day transformation. It was veryprominent, you know, which which is
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the thing that really is still themystery for me. You know, I
can't wait to see that image,man, because you you do a really
good job of describing it. AndI've got I've got this picture in my
head of what you saw. Andnow i can't wait to see that picture.
And I and I've heard of her. I've heard she does amazing work.
(50:01):
She does, she's she sends alot of the conferences I met her
two years ago, great down toEarth woman. I mean yeah, and
she's got and she's got like hundredsof renditions. She was on my show
before with her renditions, and andyou know what's great about here, she
knows these are people like myself thatshe does the rendition for them. And
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when she was on my show,do you know and I'm you know,
she's probably not listening to this show, but she actually remembers the story behind
each rendition. Is she even?She's really that earnest, like she knows
she's just not doing the rendition andshe does it for free. She's not
doing the rendition just to to promoteherself. She really, I mean this
(50:44):
rendition I've done with HER's, we'vewe've we've logged about six hours already together
because she wants it to be perfect. Yeah. Uh yeah, we're all
black out of saying we're coming upon the end, yeady, I hear
it. It goes by fast onit. Yeah, take a few minutes.
Tell everybody where they can bond you. Oh well, thanks, I
appreciate. Yeah. Well, myYouTube channel pretty basically guys Bigfoot Mission Rabbits
(51:07):
on YouTube. I have two showsper week. I do a show Tuesday
night, which is today at ninein the East, and a Thursday afternoon
at one in the East. Sothose are two live shows, and on
the weekends I put out a subscriberor emailer encounter story story in video format,
and of course I'm out all thesocial media. In fact, all
(51:28):
my social media is in the aboutpage of my Bigfoot Mission Wrap channel.
And also there's a link in therebecause I just released my first book in
August first or July thirty first.It's called Bigfoot Mission Rappers and it's true
crypton Encounters Book one. Here's thebook here. So this is on Amazon.
(51:51):
So the book's on Amazon. Thelink is on my YouTube channel,
or if you just type in BigfootMission rab on Amazon, I think it
pulls if you're interested. It's gotforty five encounter stories from people that I
worked with to kind of shape themup to put in book form with their
permission, of course, so that'spretty cool. I'm really happy with that,
(52:13):
and a lot of the people inthe book real briefly, are people
that really wanted their information out because, just like me, did not want
to be judged. I did notwant to be judged ridiculed, made fun
of. So everything I do onthe book is in anonymity. And of
course my shows, I have researcherson every Tuesday and Thursday and or experiencers,
(52:40):
so it doesn't really matter. Andwe talk about Bigfoot, dog Man,
ghosts, the paranormal, UFOs,aliens, so it's not just we'd
do more than one subject or onegenre. If it's weird, I cover
it because you know, I dosupport the weird. I'm proud of being
weird. Thank you very much.Uh, you know with the with the
(53:00):
weirdness fly right, that's right.We like being weird. It's right,
you know, and there's nothing wrongwith it. The biggest thing that I
can always try to tell people is, you know, you don't be ashamed.
There's my Channelity was a safe placeto go and like. And I'm
not unique to that. There's manypeople that do a great job for other
people too. But I just justremembered that there I had no help or
(53:24):
nowhere to go for six months,was lost and alone, and that's why
I do what I do today.You guys awesome, all right, buddy,
I appreciate you taking the time tocome and hang out. Good stuff.
I mean you you just shared theone encounter, but it was worth
it. It was worth it.That was awesome man. Yeah, you
(53:44):
know I I guess the backbone towhat I do today. And you know
I again people told me you haveto share it when you can, so
so I continue to do so well. I do want to get you back
to share some of your your researchand stuff, but we'll talk about that
off here and again. Guys,thirty minutes or so from now, head
(54:04):
over and check him out. Andthanks again, buddy. Yep, you
go get ready for your show.Okay. Yeah, I will talk to
you guys shortly. Thank you guys. Thanks everybody chatting, listening, all
right, good bye. They sayyou don't gotta go home, but you
can't stay. No, I don'twant to be long. We're all loving
(54:53):
cho chob chart everything. Thank you, Joy for me, joy staying right.
You come it right away. SUSSSSGames, Saint plays and Arsne has
(56:14):
a games specs, games and Gases
I was listening to the story aboutIt was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called thebig Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effortto steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in thatplace pen behind me with nothing but a
mosquito net over them. It couldhave crept up behind me and taken both
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of my children and I wouldn't know. Father just got like a Mustang or
something from Wyoming. Okay. Hehad it out in the corral because he
couldn't put it in the barn within the stalls, with the other horses
that would kick and made all theother horses nervous. Had a seminal Indian
(00:46):
work in the horse, trying tobreak it every day. They had it
out in the corrawl. This skunkysnuck up behind his horse and grammed it
bonne its hind quarters. This particularhorse that kicks out, jumps over the
corral, runs into the p youknow, to get away. At this
point, the ranchers out there justblessed away with the thirty thirty snowcap runs
into the swamp. We had adrag queen. We just wanted to see
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what kind of that's kind of whatwe do. We do what are the
easier goes to second star? Youknow, tough guys. What are they
gonna see at they and we havebeautiful women, we had ugly women.
We had the gambit of women.But we you know, what are they
gonna do? Well? They needlove to man. You know some guys
like that. You Hey, what'sup? Everybody's wayed? Welcome back to
(01:49):
Paranormal Odyssey. Got a good showlined up for you guys today. Had
a chance to sit down with BigfootMichigan raw oh i uh I came on,
had a really good talk with Tiffanyand myself over on Paranormal Odyssey Live
on YouTube. He's had a reallygood time hanging out with him, getting
to know him and listen to someof the things that he's experienced. And
(02:12):
I'm happy that you guys are goingto get to hear it before we get
there, though, if you wouldtake a second, go rate and review
the show wherever it is you getyour podcasts. If you've had an encounter
and would like to come on andshare it with me, I would love
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(02:34):
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(02:57):
so, all right, guys,that's about it. I know that you
are ready. I'm ready. Let'sget started. Oh what's up, buddy,
Hey, Wayne a, Tiffany,how's it going? Hey good,
thank you for coming on. Yeah, you know, it's my pleasure.
Thanks for having me. You guyssound a lot like me. You know.
(03:20):
On my show, I usually gothrough about before the start of each
show, I got about eight toten minutes worth of you know, promos
for a couple of channels. I'mevolved with the radio part and all that.
And it's always good to do though, right because you got to get
your name out there and all yoursponsors and what you have going on,
you know, throughout the week,the month, the year. So yeah,
(03:42):
that's always important to do. BecauseI thought I was like the only
one that did that. I said, Man, I promote a lot of
stuff, so no good. I'mglad that. Yeah, we fit right
in. Yeah yeah, And speakingof grass, I cut mine today and
let me tell you I've got athree more three more kuts left. I
mean it's still in the eighties hereand it's raining tomorrow. Oh yeah,
(04:05):
you know, southern Michigan is it's. First of all, this has been
a real weird summer. It's beencooler than normal. We've had like back
to back ninety ninety ninety and seventythen rain, rain, rain, and
it's been the worst year for mefor my garden. It's suffering. But
my grass, Tiffany, it don'tstop growing. It don't stop growing.
(04:30):
It does not. It's as green. It's as green as it's ever been.
I please say, yes, right, mind down here's brown has been
brown this year. I mean itmore brown than usual. I don't know
what it is down here in thesouth. It's just hard as hell.
Well yeah, miss yeah, you'rein Michigan, obviously, and yeah,
(04:57):
yeah, there's a big difference probablyas were always probably ten degrees hotter at
least probably, Yeah, and uh, you know, also you mentioned your
show, Rob, you were gonnabe actually going on at nine o'clock.
Cannot and you had a this planfor that nine o'clock hour. Who was
(05:19):
that that you had planned? Yeah, I got this guy coming on coming
I named Wayne t'ther row, andI've got another guest joining him by the
name of Tiffany. So yeah,so after this show ends, we got
about twenty minute break in between,and then of course Wayne, if you
(05:40):
can make it, I know yougot things going on, but it'll be
me and Tiffany and we'll be kickingback and kind of be like a part
two. You know, it'd becontinuation. I'll be able to kick back
and listen after this show because youknow, and after I speak for the
next forty minutes whenever we got left. But yeah, so I'm looking forward
to that. So thanks for that. It's a double it's a double,
(06:01):
double decker, double feature, Iguess. Yeah, it's a double feature.
Yeah, you have to bring theextra popcorn. Yeah, extra extra
butter, extra butter. Yes.Yeah. Uh. You know, we
Rob and I talked about this abouta month ago. We set it up.
Neither of us had ever done anythinglike that, thought it would be
really cool. And then yeah,life happens in my sitter is not going
(06:24):
to be able to keep scarlet forthe entire time. If at all possible,
I'm gonna jump on with you guys. You at least get Tiffany.
Oh yeah, that'd be fine,that'd be great. Yeah, talk about
sitting. I'm sitting my niece's dog, who was sneering at me. So
after this show, has I hada race? Race him home. She's
only like eight minutes away. Sobut we got to no worries. Everything's
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gonna be work out perfect. Andagain thanks for having me on. Man.
Yeah, yeah, we're just gonnago ahead and jump into it.
But you were telling me about thisencounter that that you should have shared quite
a bit, but I've never heardit. Tippany's never heard it. Were
sure that there's probably some of usour audience members. I hadn't heard it,
but you said, it's kind ofwhat gots you started in this whole
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big thing. So if you don'tmind, let's hear it. Okay,
yeah, it really doesn't. Andagain, you know, about a year
ago, I said, you knowwhat, I'm done telling my encounter story
because you know, it seems likewhen. I mean, that's the only
ENCRYPTID encounter I've really had was thisone, and it would really set me
for a loop. Right. Ihad suffered from PTSD for a while.
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I had nowhere to turn overhere togo, and I just felt, well,
you can't. What I experienced isso hard to process. Right.
So, but about a year ago, though, I said, well,
bi on hr, I'm done doingmy story. And then I tell you
what a lot of people had said, No, you got to keep telling
that because a people haven't heard it, and be even people that have heard
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it, it just resonates with alot of people. So I decided,
well, you know what, Iguess you're right. I mean, let's
think about it. You know,if you're on YouTube or whatever platform you're
on, you always think you havejust you're talking to the same audience.
But from show to show, platformto platform, it does vary. So
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yeah, so I just tell itwithout without second guessing myself. So but
yeah, but it's how it started, It's how I started my channel.
So I wrote a book because ofall this, and and you know,
I'm growing up as a kid.I will preface it by saying this,
I always believed in the supernatural orthings that are different. I was a
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different kid growing up. My dadbrought me up watching you know, Lawn
Chainey, Bela Lagosi, you knowBoris Karlov. So right off the bat,
I was into monsters. And thenI found Leonard Nimoy in search of
was Bigfoot. I said, wow, that's pretty cool. And I was
a kid when I saw that,and I was immediately really interested in bigfoot.
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And of course back then there Iwas going to grade school, and
there's no books on big for it, but I tried my darnness to always
try to get information on the subjectbecause I was just so into it.
But life goes on, and throughoutmy entire life, I've had other experiences
with the paranormal, ghosts, justreally odd things, but not really until
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twenty eighteen. June fifteenth of twentyeighteen is when I came across what I
call a bigfoot. And even tillthis day, you guys, I question
even what it was, and you'lland as the story unfolds, you'll kind
of get a reason why. Soanyways, as June fifteenth, twenty eighteen,
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and again I live in southern Michigan, you know, I'm like maybe
an hour from Ohio. And atthe time my girlfriend Cindy, I had
surprised her and I took her.I rented a cabin in a small fishing
boat in Cadillac, Michigan. CadiacMissions about two hundred and two hundred and
fifty miles northwest of here and asmaybe half an hour from Lake Michigan.
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And the reason I had surprise nervesbecause Cindy wasn't really much of a outdoors
girl, right, and I dolike the outdoors. I'm not really a
hunter. I do mostly like fishing, and I just like exploring and hiking
in the woods. This is nother bag at the time. So I'm
like, look, let's just dothis, and she's like reluctantly, she
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agrees. So we head up toCadillac, Michigan. We get to Cadillac,
maybe it's eight and nine in themorning. It's the middle of the
week, like a Wednesday, perhaps, so not a lot of activity on
the lake. I set up,got our little cabin, got the boat.
It's like a little skiff, notjust a runner to just do some
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fishing. It's not like a rangerbass boat. It says good enough for
two people to troll about the lake. Now Lake Cadillac, however, and
Lake Mitchell they're connected. Now LakeMichigan Lake a Cadillac, excuse me,
is extremely It's a very big lake, very big lake surrounding this entire expanse
of water, a lot of beautifulhomes, a lot of small business,
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a lot of shops along the lakes, the shore front. There was a
small industry back in town and alot of shops. Again, nice quaint
place to visit. In fact,in summertime a lot of people do go
there for a little mini vacation.So this is kind of what this was,
a fishing trip, and let's justkick it in Cadillac, so to
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speak. So we get we setup everything, and we get out Lake
Cadillac. I get the boat out, Cindy's in the boat, we got
all our gear, and off wego. We're out on the water.
And for about the first hour orso of fishing, I could tell Cindy's
already getting bored because, to behonest with you guys, there's not a
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bite. We're not getting a nibble. And it's for me it wasn't boring,
but for her there's no action.Right away, She's getting not many
people on the lake, so Isaid, well, why don't we just
find a different section on this lake. So I take the little boat and
I start exploring the lake along withCindy. Now, unpronounced to me,
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there's a channel on this lake thatconnects to another lake, and this lake
is now called Lake Mitchell. LakeMitchell is probably as big as Cadillac,
probably not as big, but it'svery sizable, and there's not as many
homes or business though around the lake. And the nice thing about Lake Mitchell
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is it backs up to the ManisteeNational Forest, so you have this expansive
backdrop of the beauty at the time, the beautiful green forest, you know,
not as many homes, not asbusy. In fact, it wasn't
busy at all. Cadillac wasn't evenbusy. So I said, okay,
nice, let's drift along the shorelinehere, steer into the forest, the
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woods, and I'm gonna set upour tackle, our bait, right.
So Cindy's like, okay, cool, So she kind of likes it,
likes the scenery. So I'm lookingdown into the boat and I'm configuring the
fishing tackle when Cindy says, hey, Rob, I think somebody's throwing rocks
at the boat. So I lookup, I look to the shoreline,
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and I don't see anything there.And I told Cindy, now, there's
nobody's throwing rocks. There's nobody alongthe shore line. And then I said,
hey, it's maybe some fish jumpingaround, so we might we might
finally catch something. She's like,yeah, okay, whatever you know.
And then maybe ninety seconds sixty secondslater, she is a little more emphatic,
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says Rob. If someone throwing rocksat the boat, as she says,
she's seen a rock boom dropping infront of the front of the boat.
Now I look up again. Ilooked to the shoreline again, and
now I am like Cindy. ThenI try to explain her. Look at
the shoreline, there's not a lotof area for somebody to stand. Now,
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I'll be it you guys, we'reabout ninety feet from shore, so
sure somebody could probably throw a rock. That's not that great of a distance.
It's like running from first base tosecond base in baseball. But I
said, look, there's nobody there. Nobody's there. So I said,
hey, I tell you what,let me get back to working on our
rod and reel, get our tackletogether. I'll join you and we'll both
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look together. She's like, okay, So I get back at putting the
rods the reels together, blah blahblah. For whatever the reason, I
look up into the air the sky, and I see an object falling from
the sky. Now, you guysgot to remember too, you know the
it's a bright blue sky, thesun was just blazing. And I see
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this object I'm trying to make.I'm thinking, what is that? And
as it gets closer to the waterto her plunk maybe four feet in front
of us, and it is arock, maybe the size of a baseball.
So I turned to Cindy to kindof apologize and say, man,
there is something going on. There'ssomebody screwing around with us. So I
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go to look at her. ButI got to tell you, you guys,
when I see Cindy, she isasphyxiated staring at this shoreline. And
I never seen her face the sideof view of her face or profile,
I can tell she's somewhat scared.And this is again, as I said
June fifteenth, she already had atan going. Cindy was one of these
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tan worshippers. As soon as it'sseventy sixty eight degrees in May. She's
out laying in the sun. Right. Her whole body from head to toad
was just turned white. It wasthat she lost the entire tan. It
was like she was a She lookedghostly, you guys. So I like,
what the hell is she looking at? And I looked at the shoreline
and they're standing at sure had tobe about a nine foot humanoid. Okay,
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it was an animal. I'm thinkingright now, real quickly, you
guys. Like an animal. It'sstanding spot, It's nine foot tall,
it's got reddish brown hair. Hehad long arms on its side, kind
of extended a little past the knees. And the thing about this, and
I am ninety feet away, soI get a pretty nice glimpse of this
thing and it's standing there. Andthis face was human I said humanoid because
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it looked like a human but notThere was something wrong with this this creature.
First of all, he had thislong, beautiful, flowing hair.
It's not a bear. It's nothinglike that. The face was humanoid.
But the thing about the faces,it looked like it had a deformity.
It looked I always describe it aslike a person with like down syndrome.
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The face was kind of it waskind of gray, it was kind of
wrinkled. His eyes were like notpair, they were like kind of offset
eyes, and it just had thisconfused dumb to look. It looked human,
but it wasn't human. It's whenI'm first thing I'm thinking, right,
I'm like, what in the hellis this? Before I can actually
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process what I'm looking at, ittakes his arms. As I said,
the arms are on its side,and it raises the arms parallel to the
water, extending out again parallel.Now it kind of rolls his head back
and as I explained, this humanoidlooking grayish down syndrome, looking kind of
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wrinkled up across the old face.It gets all taut, very tight.
The mouth opens, but it's likethe jaw extends or gets destended or detached.
It drops a good six and ahalf seven inches. And as the
jaw drops, you guys down,it's almost like the whole bottom side of
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his mouth completely fell down. Andit opens his mouth, and it reminds
me if you remember pac Man,how the pac Man the circle had with
the ba ba bah. That's whathis mouth was just soul and gaping like
that. And I do notice twoteeth to up top they were kind of
like they looked like oversized canines ofmaybe like a German shepherd perhaps, And
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down at the bottom of the mouthwas two like in scissors, thinner but
tightly together, kind of going upwards. So I saw like four teeth,
and this face has got taught andit would It looked like you guys,
It transformed from that humanoid looking downsyndrome person humanoid into what I still today
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described as admon It looked demonic.It looked like something out of a Marvel
comic book. It was frightening.The other thing prior was creepy, but
this was frightening. And what's reallyscary about this is when it drops the
jaw, it kind of leans backand from its inner sides less south is
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roar, this howl, this screamall in unison. It's and it's directed
right at Cindy and I. Nowwe're both standing and I can literally fill
the depth of this roar skid acrossthe lake and it and it hits our,
it hits us. I can feelthe reverberation boom inside my chest.
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Beside my body. In fact,I kind of fall back a little bit,
you know, a couple of inches. But Cindy, all five foot
one hundred and nine pounds of her, flipped off the boat and this thing
is roaring. Now. I knowthat I have to get here into the
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boat, obviously, so I goto turn to my immediate right she was
to the right of me, togo get her in. But you guys,
at this point, stay tuned formore paranormal odyssey as I made.
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There's a reason why I make mentionof how you know it be the beautiful
green in the forest, the bluesky, the reddish brown hair of the
creature, and everything else is becauseat this point, you guys, now
I'm looking through a filter. Myvision is now just disturbed in this fashion
where everything is dull looking. Idon't want to say like true black and
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white, but it's very grainy,very dull. It seems like time was
even standing still for a moment.And I cannot move to my right because
I am paralyzed, my stressing out, my traumatize, whatever it is,
I don't know, but I can'tmove to my right. I can't move,
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and this thing is just yelling nowI'm starting to now I kind of
start I start shaking my head,shaking my head like Rob stamp out of
it. Rab stamp out of it, so boom, I snap out of
it. All of a sudden,the color comes back. I'm more cognizant
now with my surroundings, the colorsin. I don't hear this thing no
more. I go to the tomy right, I pick up help get
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sending into the boat. I gether into the boat. Now. Kind
of as creepy and scary as thatis, I I for me, I
was the most terrified is when Ilook to the shoreline. And when I
look to the shoreline, this thingis now gone. I look around,
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there's nobody around. I get.I get to the to the motor of
the boat, and I just openit up and I just floored it.
And I just I opened up thatthrottle all the way and skid it all
the way across Like Mitchell, Iwent through that canal, got out of
Lake Cadillac, and I belined itall the way to where I launched the
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boat. And I'm not paying attentionabout anything now looking around, I'm just
going because I want to get theheck out of there. I make it
to where I launched the boat earlier. I dock it. I get like
a beach tower or something to wraparound Cindy. She's like freezing, shivering,
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and it's probably because she's terrified,because like at this point, it's
maybe twelve o' o'clock in the afternoon, it's maybe eighty degrees. So I
get a towel wrapped around her.We get out of the boat. Now
I immediately look for somewhere to sitdown. I'm getting out of this little
dinky boat. We gotta go sitdown, and the cottage is a little
further away. So the first thingI do, I started walking towards town,
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maybe a half block end. There'sthis bar on the corner against maybe
twelve twenty now in the afternoon.I go into this bar. Thankful,
there's like really nobody in there,maybe a couple of customers. We get
in and I turned, I lookedto the left, and then the back
left of this bar is in thecorner is a nice booth for us.
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The bar maid young lady comes upto us, and we're both sitting across
from each other now at this point, and the lady, the server asks
us what we're having right now.Cindy not a drinker. I mean the
years I was dating her, Inever seen her drop a beer, a
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drink, nothing, a beer,whiskey, wine, nothing. She says,
I'll have a bottle of bud Lightand a shot at Jack Daniels.
I'm like, whoa, this reallygot to her, not that it didn't
get to me, but for herto order a drink was really something else,
not a drinker at all. AndI says, The young lady turns
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to me and I says, yes, I'll uh, what do you have?
I said, I'm gonna have whatshe had, but make mine a
double. She goes back to thebar get our drinks. So Cindy and
now still have not said a wordthis entire time until we're waiting on our
drinks now and Cindy says to me, Hey, honey, what do you
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think that was? And then I, kind of trying to process this,
said I don't know, honey,what do you think that was? And
she says, I think maybe itwas that bigfoot creature. Now when she
said that, also, she neverdrank before, and at least in front
of me. Ever, we nevertogether as a couple talked about like Bigfoot
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or cryptives. Sure, we mighthave watched some horror movies and stuff like
that, you know, but neverthe subject to bigfoot. And she just
came up with that, and I'mlike, then, I say back,
I says, you know, honey, I think maybe it was. So
we're sitting there now, the thelady brings our drinks back. She takes
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that shot down like a champ,like she's been drinking for thirty years,
bottle butt light, washes it down. I do the same. Then she
says, you know, should wecontact the DNA, Should we call the
sheriff, you know, should wereport this? I'm like, really,
really, like report what what dowe actually see? Right? Because we
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didn't see no bear, we didn'tsee no wolf, we didn't What we
saw was not a creature or ananimal of the forest that I'm aware of.
Anyways, She's like, yeah,you're probably right. So it kind
of ruined that weekend or that wellmiddle of the week Wednesday kind of ruined
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that and neither one of us wantedto stick around. So we packed up
our stuff and we headed back home. As soon as we get home,
we we literally immersed our in thesubject of like Bigfoot. Right now,
we were like, I never usedYouTube for anything. I never knew the
YouTube. Even at shows like this, I never knew YouTube. I just
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used YouTube Manda, watch rock concertswith my buddies, my girlfriends sitting around.
Never use it for anything, nothow to fix a flat nothing.
YouTube was not even on my radar. The Internet, of course, was
so on YouTube and on the internet. We both were looking up you know,
bigfoot, monsters, stuff like that. We're typing in and I was
kind of dissatisfied a lot of thefeedback I was getting from YouTube and on
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the internet. First of all,none of the things that we saw from
pictures or images online matched up.There was more demonic looking things with this
creature ended up looking like later morelike that. But as far as like
the Bigfoot, it didn't look likeno Patty, it didn't look it just
was just this unique individual person,right, So we were just immersing that
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for some time. So I didn'tlive with Cindy. She lived with her
mom, and her mom never likedme because I was the devil myself because
I owned a bar. Her momcalls me August fifteenth with this is so
crazy, you guys. June fifteenthof twenty eighteenth, twenty eighteen. Excuse
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me, I saw that I hadthat encounter Cindy and I. August fifteenth
of twenty eighteen, her mom callsme, who hates me, and said,
Cindy passed away. Well, Igot to tell you guys something.
I don't know what I can tellyou guys other than this, my world
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was like smashed crumbled. Right.I'm like, what the hell are you
talking about? It passed away?What do you mean she passed over to
I mean, I can't I'm noteven thinking, you know, she died.
Heah. She says she had aheart attack, this and that,
and she's no longer with us.She hangs up the phone on me.
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That's the last time I talked toher mom. Because, as I told
you guys, the reason why Itold you guys, she's not a drinker
or a smoker. I don't thinkI told she's not a smoker, but
she didn't smoke either. But youknow, to have a heart attack when
you're pretty much in pretty good shape. So anyways, that was my first
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thing about Bigfoot, some some evil, creepy creature. So with that being
said, she's now a long nowshe dies, I go in a dark
space, you guys, I justdidn't know what to do. I was
a bar I owned my own business, it was the bar. I remember
going talking to my bar manager.I said, look, man, here's
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what you need to do. Idon't know when I'm coming back to work.
Just take the money at the endof all the shifts and just put
it in the bank to positive forme. Please don't rip me off.
I got something I need to dealwith, Okay, Rob, no problem.
And I've trusted this guy. Hewas in business with me for about
five or six years, so Imean, if I can't trust him,
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hey, And at this time,you guys, I didn't care. So
I start just looking up as muchas I can. Now I start getting
more involved. I start reaching outto people in the quote unquote bigfoot community,
the paranormal community, all the differentcommunities, you know, whether they
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were Satanic, demonologists, Bigfoot researchers, ghost hunters. I mean I was
calling and trying to get a holdof all these people. Nothing really was
doing it for me. Then Idid find a couple people like my buddy
Texts, you know, Texas fromPorch. It was had some experiences himself.
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My main thing is I want tomake sure A I wasn't going crazy.
Did I really see what I saw? MB? Did it kill my
girlfriend? Who did it? Attributed? Because I thought when we got hit
with that, you know people Now, later on I learned perhaps it was
infrasound, but you know, Iknow what that is today, you know,
I mean, what I went through, I'm also sure it's got that
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power. It was more like ayou know, what I got hit with
was like a sonic blast. Youknow. I always tell people, if
you ever see those movies with Hiroshimawhen they dropped the bomb, and you
see that shock wave kind of emanatingout from the the from the impact point,
and it kind of just has thatwave. I didn't. I didn't
see a wave like that, butit's kind of what it felt like boom
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when it hit me. So I'mthinking that maybe her little insides got messed
up and it took two months forher just something something went wrong. Now,
of course I'll never know that,because I tried to get an autopsy
report, and I tried to geta lot of information regouting her death.
But again, we weren't married,weren't blood relatives, so to this day.
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That is a mystery and be reallywhat I saw, I don't want
to it was something I call itbigfoot, but just to have that metamorphosis
or metamorphoses however we say it intoone thing to another thing. I have
some theories on that today. Butit just set me on this path because
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now I was lost and alone forlike six I didn't go back to work
for six months. Six months,you guys, and I was in a
dark place seeking answers, not reallygetting any of them. Then again,
I hooked up with my friend textsuh and kind of helped me with a
bunch of stuff. He churned me, and I've got a couple of his
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friends I've spoken with. So that'sthat put me down the path. And
then somebody says, you got tospeak on this. So I did a
video on it, the Bigfoot thatMichian Rob channel was born just out of
I didn't know what to do.I made a video. So my name
is Rob. I saw a bigfoot. I live in Michigan. So I
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just made up a handle Bigfoot missionRob, just to put out the dumb
video, right because people said yougot to speak on and stuff. People
know, because if people don't knowyour encounter, there's no way you can
get any help because the average shoeat the bar, the average shoe at
work, is not going to helpyou because they probably don't believe it and
be never had an encounter. Sothat was the twenty eighteen you guys,
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And that's that leads me to usstarting the channel, you know, writing
the book that I put out lastAugust. And I've been doing my show
for two years, but I've beenresearching it for the last five and like
a lot of people seeking answers,you know, which I'm sure will that's
such a a what type of answersare we looking for? It's a real
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question, right, Yeah, Beforethere's a lot of unpack there. Uh,
Before we do, I want toask you this this question from Naom.
Well, before that, I wantto offer you condolences for the loss
of your girlfriend. Uh, thatstory took a turn, man. I
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wasn't expecting that by any man.I told you, I told you it
was something. Yeah that Uh.Naoma Finn is asking how many encounters have
there been in that area, andI'm wondering how many of them describe the
creature similar to yours? Well,in that First of all, this is
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in Wexford. Now it's Cadillac,Michigan the county, and Michigan is Wexford
County. Now Wexford County is adog is the quote unquote. I mean,
I'm just saying this. There's alot of people use this as a
coin. This phrase, whether it'strue or not, is really like to
dog man capital of Exford County orthe state of Michigan. There's been many
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dog man encounters that I've read aboutand seen, and I think the Wexford
Wexford County alone, I think iseighteen reports. Miss miss pretty heavy with
with the dog man anyway, rightright, Yeah, that's dog man.
Michigan has got a lot of dogman encounters and sightings, I should say,
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and Wexford County is the hub wherethe majority of them are. And
Wexford County was the county that Iwas in when I had my when I
did have the encounter, right so, and yes, also to answer Nioma,
I did start talking. I gotit when I did that video five
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years ago. I got an outpouringof people from that Wexford area and Cadillac
area, and the man got ahold of me via email because my email
is a public and says Rob,I've heard those same how I explained you
guys to the growl, the grunt, the yell, the scream. He
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has heard those at night from LakeMitchell himself throughout for many years. Never
seen one, but he says,I know exactly what you're talking about.
As far as those howls, I'veheard them all the time. In fact,
this man, because if you lookon Google, because you could go
to Google Earth and it can showthe exact area where I was. Because
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I and he sent me a mapof the area and I confirmed on the
map. So what he did forme because I've not been back there,
okay, I started driving there onenight, then turned around that was just
ready. However, I had thisexperience from the shore, from from the
body of water Lake Mitchell. Itwas actually Mitchell's Bay to be exact,
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because that's what it's named on theon the map. But he took my
information and he accessed where I wasfrom the road that runs through there,
and he went through the road andaccessed the forest and he says, man,
after about fifty yards in though itgot real swampy, and you know,
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if he was looking he was reallylooking for some evidence for some tracks
or what have you, because nowit was more from my story, was
more pinpointed to where he could lookfor these howls that he would hear.
And in fact, this man liveson Lake Mitchell never seen anything but heard
many strange howls at night. Andin fact, I talked to maybe I
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don't want to say half a dozen, maybe three or four other people that
I've spoken with over the last fiveyears in that vicinity have heard lots of
creepy sounds at night that are notnatural or nothing, because there's no bear
out there, there's no wolves outthere, So these these sounds are coming
from something right, and nobody canput their finger on it. Now,
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I do want to go back.I love to go back here and just
go to that town and just havea town you know, one of those
town meetings you know who. I'ma nobody, so, but you know,
like a town hall meeting to talkabout has anybody seen bigfoot out here?
Dog man out here? Right?That's what I really need to do
next, to be honest with you, because this is not done for me.
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I mean, i I'm way better. I'm good today as far as
that goes I'm out in a darkplace no more. I mean, I've
accept the fact of that Cindy haspassed away, accept the fact that I
saw something that the mind could notprocess. But when I've heard other people
have heard those sounds, and I'veseen there's like nineteen or twenty reported sightings
of bigfoot in the area, andof course a lot of dog men in
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Wexford County. That is a hotspot and it's something that in the future
I definitely would like to spend maybea couple of weeks and just hang out
there. But you know, Igot things going out here at the house,
personal stuff, So it's like whenI get time eventually, I think
that's the next step. But againa long wait answered that question. Yes,
(38:08):
some people have heard some strange thingsout in that area. So let
me ask you a question. Probablyalways walk on you way, and I'm
sorry it's way far off in leftfield, but it's something that just it
just dawned on me. Okay,So I'm thinking and processing the way you
(38:30):
describe this creature. Yes, andthey're both in this area, big pot
and dog man both. What arethe chances that maybe they bread together?
Like you always hear the turf wars. But what if? Because this whole
thing is what if. I mean, I've never thought of that or had
(38:51):
No one's ever brought that up tome except for now. But I will
tell you this, I'm open toeverything. I mean, I'm an open
minded person, and that to me, it is not sound far fetched.
I mean, can they reproduce togetherif, first of all, if they're
both flesh and blood, right,if they're you know, and everyone has
varying opinions on if they are mammals, which I don't think they are.
(39:12):
But if that was the case,or humanoid or a humanoid, then yeah,
perhaps, But I don't think ahumanoid could mate with a with a
dog man because my opinion of dogman is more of a paranormal thing,
to be honest with you. Butthen again again it's such another I mean,
we could talk another two hours onthe dog men scenario, because there's
(39:34):
I think there's three or four differenttypes myself, one being paranormal, one
being flesh and blood and with bigfoodor sasquatch. Again, it's always always
hard for me to really say ifthis was I've talked to a very good
friend that says it was, whichI do believe and trust, but to
go for that metaphor just to physicallychange itself as drastically as it did.
(39:57):
And I did research like bad boomsthrus ample stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.
You know, bad bombs are creepyenough to look at, but you
know, they have a great waywhere they're threatened or if they want to
scare somebody, they can contort thatface and make you look one hundred percent
(40:20):
different as well. I mean theirskin goes back right, their teeth,
you're really big compared to the priorlook. That they'll have a pond being
scared or frightened or just wanted toscare somebody or another animal. So but
with that theory, I am nota person to say yes or no to
it. I think that since wedon't know much about these things to begin
(40:45):
with, and I'm no expert.Hell, I've been doing this for five
years, you guys, and Ican't tell you what the hell it is.
Well, I think it's speculation atthe you know, you know,
I mean, yeah, there's speculation, and in education, you know,
yeah, I mean everybody's encounter andexperience is different, right, So That's
what I like about, you know, even doing my show, or doing
(41:07):
a book, or doing the bookwhich I which is a bunch of different
reports and stories I've gotten over theyears. There's data points for everything.
I'm a big data guy now andI never was a data guy five ten
years ago, right, But Ilike hearing people's encounters and just making and
jotting down and plotting what they looklike, what the experience, what time
(41:27):
of day was it was it fall, spring, summer? All these things
are important again, data points thatwe can just put away, research them,
compile these reports, and to makecomparative analysis. Right because a lot
of these stories. The one thingI love about this, although everyone's story
(41:52):
might be different, I find inninety percent of them, we have a
lot of the same, very samecommonalities, right, And hundreds of thousands
of people aren't copying each other.You know what I'm saying. No,
exactly, Yeah, you know exactlywhat you're saying. And and Tipny,
like you said, it's all speculationat this point. But that's a really
(42:15):
good question. I like that question, Chiff. I ever thought of it,
and no one's asked me of that. I've never thought of it.
Myself, and I don't know.That's another I just wrote. I wrote,
in fact, I wrote that down. Something else to look into now,
right, think outside the box.You're right, hey, in this
field, you gotta think out ofthe box. You do. People are
(42:36):
always talking about these different types,you know, the top four of the
top five variants and all this stuff. I mean, what if what if
they have bread and created different types. I don't know. Well, first
of all, we don't even knowwhat they are to begin with, So
I don't know. Hey, listen, you know there's there's sasquatch that or
spiritual inn people, ancient people.I believe in that. I also,
(43:00):
you know, I believe in thefirst nations to see these things as a
spirit body. I know that peoplehave seen it as a physical entity that's
turned into a spirit paloity or somethingquote unquote paranormal. So even with the
Sasquatch, Bigfoot, there's a lot. I think there's different degrees. And
I also think it's different the wayit presents it to certain people. You
(43:21):
know, some people can see thingsthat others cannot. You got to think
about that as well. And everyonehas different and everybody processes information differently.
You know, and the dog manthing to me is more of a paranormal
thing. You know, you gotthe dog man, which I think is
paranormal or supernatural. But I alsothink there is an actual two legged,
(43:43):
hocked animal with a German shepherd's headthat walks around that I think is physical.
But when you talk about these onesthat are seven foot and they you
know, they look like a Warewell, if that's a whole other creature in
my book, you're right, you'reat Yeah, we're coming up on the
hour. But before we get out, Rob, I did want you to
(44:05):
spend a little bit of time talkingabout the appearance of the creature. And
one thing that stuck out to me, and I've heard it so many times
before, is that mention of abit of a down syndrome. Yeah,
I will tell you this guy's tooreally quickly. Sabilla Irwin great friend of
mine. She's a fantastic she doesfantastic renditions of bigfoot dog men or really
(44:30):
whatever you want. But she's acryptid gal. We completed both renditions of
my encounter, which I'm going tobe having a show on it here in
another month or two, where she'sgonna beyond and I'm going to present what
I saw is what she did isninety three percent, ninety five percent exactly
(44:50):
what I saw. So I can'twait to finally show people. Now,
yes, yes, now with thatanswer you question. The very first image,
it looked like again, reddish brown, long flowing hair, beautiful hair
beautiful, looked like a humanoid.Looked like a human, but an odd
(45:13):
person. When I say down syndrome. That face kind of looked like let
me tell you this. You eversee Michael Myers mask, how he has
that dumb looking face and the Halloweenmovies, you know, no expressionalists.
This thing was expressionalists prior to thetransformation expression lists. The eyes were just
(45:34):
kind of crooked, they weren't youknow, they weren't like ours. There
was one was higher than the other, one was lower. And yeah,
I just had this in the mouthyou could tell was big, although it
was shut at the time, youcould tell it had this big jaw,
and it had like the face wasjust the skin texture was like just like
(45:54):
gravelly, kind of wrinkled, youknow. But but the eyes, the
eyes and just that look, ithad the look that it wasn't alive,
you know, it just kind oflike because if you think of the Michael
Myers mass, that doesn't look alive, right, it just kind of looks
(46:14):
like an animated object. Inanimated object. The thing was more inaminated looking in
the face than it was I tellyou what when it turned into the demon.
It was very animated and very terrifiedlooking. But it and you don't
often wonder often wonder too because youknow, like Wayne said, we do
hear of all the descriptions of youknow, some of the Bigfoot having the
(46:37):
look of down syndrome. Maybe theyare inbreeding. I mean that could be
I've heard that, and that couldbe you know, breeding within their clan.
You know. Another theory is thismaybe it was bred in its clan
or in its family and they realizedthat this inbreeding presented a problem child.
(46:59):
Right, because think about it.What we do know about Sasquash or Big
Four. They are socialized group,right, They travel together. They very
rarely are out. They might goout in a solo mission, maybe looking
for food or hunting, but there'salways one around, right. But somebody
(47:20):
was telling me that this one couldhave been when it was just kicked out
of its family. You're a rogue, You're a rogue animal or a person
or whatever herby is you want attachedto it and here get lost. And
people have suggested, highly suggested.Maybe that's what I came across, just
a real pissed off plan looking tostrike a strike up with another clan or
(47:45):
something. Well, you know,yeah, I thought about the Janus Carver
story. You know how Blackie waskicked out and he was just awful.
I thought about that too, Ithought, again, I'm not fag with
that story, but great points.Again, you know anything, you know,
(48:07):
anytime of hell, even as usas human beings, right, a
lot of families were one one individual'syou know, you have the maybe the
black sheep of the family, right, and they're ostracizing and they're made fun
of, they're kicked out of theirfamily, which is a sad situation all
around. Right. We all knowpeople or families like this probably and that
(48:30):
person ends up just being the ninetimes out of ten, you know,
they are kind of like the weirdone, you know. But then again,
shame on the family for kicking themout so without helping somebody. And
then it's another deep subject. Butby the theory of this thing being a
(48:52):
rogue or being kicked out of theKlan is one that I'm probably leaning towards
the most because today everybody listening toyou guys, it wasn't a demon.
I mean it manifested or metamorphosized intosomething. It wasn't a demon now,
in my opinion, I thought itwas back then because but that's why I
always describe it looking like a demon. And again, when I present these
(49:15):
two renditions from Sabilla here the nextcouple of months, you guys will get
what I'm talking about. And everybodylistening that has heard the story, and
and yes, but still because I'mlooking in my mind, I'm thinking in
my mind right now, you guys, and it was just like a night
and day transformation. It was veryprominent, you know, which which is
(49:40):
the thing that really is still themystery for me. You know, I
can't wait to see that image,man, because you you do a really
good job of describing it. AndI've got I've got this picture in my
head of what you saw. Andnow i can't wait to see that picture.
And I and I've heard of her. I've heard she does amazing work.
(50:01):
She does, she's she sends alot of the conferences I met her
two years ago, great down toEarth woman. I mean yeah, and
she's got and she's got like hundredsof renditions. She was on my show
before with her renditions, and andyou know what's great about here, she
knows these are people like myself thatshe does the rendition for them. And
(50:22):
when she was on my show,do you know and I'm you know,
she's probably not listening to this show, but she actually remembers the story behind
each rendition. Is she even?She's really that earnest, like she knows
she's just not doing the rendition andshe does it for free. She's not
doing the rendition just to to promoteherself. She really, I mean this
(50:44):
rendition I've done with HER's, we'vewe've we've logged about six hours already together
because she wants it to be perfect. Yeah. Uh yeah, we're all
black out of saying we're coming upon the end, yeady, I hear
it. It goes by fast onit. Yeah, take a few minutes.
Tell everybody where they can bond you. Oh well, thanks, I
appreciate. Yeah. Well, myYouTube channel pretty basically guys Bigfoot Mission Rabbits
(51:07):
on YouTube. I have two showsper week. I do a show Tuesday
night, which is today at ninein the East, and a Thursday afternoon
at one in the East. Sothose are two live shows, and on
the weekends I put out a subscriberor emailer encounter story story in video format,
and of course I'm out all thesocial media. In fact, all
(51:28):
my social media is in the aboutpage of my Bigfoot Mission Wrap channel.
And also there's a link in therebecause I just released my first book in
August first or July thirty first.It's called Bigfoot Mission Rappers and it's true
crypton Encounters Book one. Here's thebook here. So this is on Amazon.
(51:51):
So the book's on Amazon. Thelink is on my YouTube channel,
or if you just type in BigfootMission rab on Amazon, I think it
pulls if you're interested. It's gotforty five encounter stories from people that I
worked with to kind of shape themup to put in book form with their
permission, of course, so that'spretty cool. I'm really happy with that,
(52:13):
and a lot of the people inthe book real briefly, are people
that really wanted their information out because, just like me, did not want
to be judged. I did notwant to be judged ridiculed, made fun
of. So everything I do onthe book is in anonymity. And of
course my shows, I have researcherson every Tuesday and Thursday and or experiencers,
(52:40):
so it doesn't really matter. Andwe talk about Bigfoot, dog Man,
ghosts, the paranormal, UFOs,aliens, so it's not just we'd
do more than one subject or onegenre. If it's weird, I cover
it because you know, I dosupport the weird. I'm proud of being
weird. Thank you very much.Uh, you know with the with the
(53:00):
weirdness fly right, that's right.We like being weird. It's right,
you know, and there's nothing wrongwith it. The biggest thing that I
can always try to tell people is, you know, you don't be ashamed.
There's my Channelity was a safe placeto go and like. And I'm
not unique to that. There's manypeople that do a great job for other
people too. But I just justremembered that there I had no help or
(53:24):
nowhere to go for six months,was lost and alone, and that's why
I do what I do today.You guys awesome, all right, buddy,
I appreciate you taking the time tocome and hang out. Good stuff.
I mean you you just shared theone encounter, but it was worth
it. It was worth it.That was awesome man. Yeah, you
(53:44):
know I I guess the backbone towhat I do today. And you know
I again people told me you haveto share it when you can, so
so I continue to do so well. I do want to get you back
to share some of your your researchand stuff, but we'll talk about that
off here and again. Guys,thirty minutes or so from now, head
(54:04):
over and check him out. Andthanks again, buddy. Yep, you
go get ready for your show.Okay. Yeah, I will talk to
you guys shortly. Thank you guys. Thanks everybody chatting, listening, all
right, good bye. They sayyou don't gotta go home, but you
can't stay. No, I don'twant to be long. We're all loving
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cho chob chart everything. Thank you, Joy for me, joy staying right.
You come it right away. SUSSSSGames, Saint plays and Arsne has
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