6/4/25 - The Winchester Mystery House!!! - What Lies beneath the roof?!

The gang form a circle and try to keep at bay the tormented spirits that supposedly haunted Sarah Winchester...forcing her to build this house that beckons to all!!! What lies beneath the shingles and siding???

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everybody, happy, yay, yay, Happy hump day.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
So so I put in a description when I created
it that we were going to form a circle and
keep all the evil spirits out while we talked about
this heart for us, the former circle.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah, everybody at home, just do this.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
This is our circle, our circle of protection.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Don't maybe conjure up an orb to to circle all
of us, you know anywhere?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
You know this story that we're going to get into.
It's it's really well known. Yeah, it's one that I
just I don't like talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know about it because I love he Miron. If
anybody saw the movie, Hella Miren played her, and I
love Helen Miren. So I like the show. I like
the the well, I liked the movie, but it was
kind of crappy movie. But Hella Marian so it's good, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Right right, you know, I'm just like, oh my goodness,
oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
But anyway, you see that Donnie cho is.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Missing for a few minutes. Anyway, he's missing.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
He decided he was going to go out to dinner.
Didn't invite us or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Of course, not of course not, No.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
He's not I'm like, that's not fair. I'm like, going
out to dinner, what is that? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
If you're going out to you with Koreans, you're gonna
be saying what is that? A lot?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, he's not even here to hear you say that.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Oh, Mike, I would have said two things. He knows that. Hey,
there was a bunch of times that you know, the
Korean food we used to get it around the Army
basis and stuff, you know, wasn't quote unquote real Korean food.
It was the Koreans that transposed over. But at least
it was made by Koreans. I mean, so it had
to be as close to authentic as you could get.

(02:06):
But well, I'm gonna tell you what, going going over
to Ojima and you're out in the field, you got
Ojama bringing your your SODA's and your kimchi and your
and your and your ramins and stuff to you when
you're out in the field. They'd nothing like it.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Right, And that said doggy bags, that's what we need.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yes, yes, he will put him in a doggie bag
and leave them there and bring him to in September.
You know that, Yeah, he might.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
That would be typical Donnie.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Would he do that?

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely he would.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
You know, I got something for him, you know. He
he he says that he saw this book and I'm
gonna I'm going to just pop this out. He said,
he saw this book. But I have this book to
give him.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh okay, it's called K Pop Confidential.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I don't know how or why my daughter had this,
but she said, hey, Mom, do you think Donnie would
like it?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I said, okay, so I have to remember this in September.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
He doesn't have it already.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
He never admitted to having it. Yeah, you know, but
I told him about the book. I showed him the
book and he says, oh, yeah, I've heard about that book.
He never admitted having it. Now he's going to have
two copies. He's absolutely going.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
To have two copies.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
And this way, yeah, we're just waiting for everybody to
come on in and uh, have a seat and get
your favorite drink and snacks.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I got my water. I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's been kind of a weird week. The heat is
now starting to pick up here in the South, and
now we're getting into a storm pattern that is going
to be really odd. So everybody out there, you know,
from Nevada to the Ohio Valley watch out for the
next seven mos.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
It seems like Tornado Alley has moved a little north.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It did.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
They're they're they're talking about that that it is actually
not moved but spread.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well that could be because we had one last week.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So yeah, because they're they're just there was a whole
article about it that it hasn't moved, it just spread.
So all the tornadoes are not concentrated in one area.
They are spreading out over the area.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
And you know what, it's going as far as.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Alabama, Yeah, into foothills and stuff. You're talking about, into
actual foothills and mountain ranges that you would never see
this stuff happen before, right, right.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
So I didn't you know, I'm I'm like, okay, now,
is this again a product of global warming?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Or what? What are we talking about here? Are we
talking about? Maybe the Earth?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Of course, they've always had this theory that the Earth
is tilting on its axis and it moves I don't know,
a millimeter, you know, every so often, you know, is
this you know, because it's moved a few millimeters? I mean,
is this something that we're going to be expecting every
year from now on, because if it is, I'm moving.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I'm thinking personally, this personal opinion. This is from a
scientific background, you know, working with the physical science and
physics and such like that the Earth quite frankly is
probably starting to try and correct itself with the damage
just being done. It's trying to fix itself.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That's a possibility.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
That is a possibility.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
My other thing is that they're talking about all these
volcanoes erupted in all the earthquakes we're having. You know,
maybe you know the earth plates are you know, shifting
just enough to move.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
The earth tad and there's.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
That there could be Yeah, yeah, in fact, and Wristle's right, man,
they pole shift, you know that any shift of that
magnet pole. I mean, the axis may not be kilted,
but the pole may be shifting, and that can call
somebmissions as well.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
So I guess you know what we need to start
paying attention to is the hurricane pass you know, because
they would either go up into the Gulf of Mexico,
you know, and hit all the states there, or they
would totally miss and go on the other side of Florida.
So let's yeah, let's, you know, check out what the
hurricane season is going to be like.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, you know that that will be very interesting to
find out.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
About last year. How many times in your lifetime have
you heard of a hurricane going into Tennessee. Oh right,
It's never happened that I know of. It's never happened
in my lifetime that I can remember anyway. I mean,
they always stayed on the on the coastal states.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Well, no, because we got what we got to last
year here in Missouri. Yeah, Francine and I can't remember
the other one, but.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
It was something.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
One came in from the west and one came in
from the east. Yeah, you know it caused all the flooding.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
And I'm just like, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, it was Barrel, That's what it was. Beryl came up,
Francine came from the from the east coast to you guys,
all the way through Kentucky into Kentucky area and do
you guys, And then Barrel went up through Houston and
then went straight up to you guys.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I know I'm gonna have to move it.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's like, okay, so I'm in a major earthquake place.
The New Mandrain fault light. I'm sitting right on it.
Now I'm getting hurt, you know, hit by hurricanes. Now
I'm in tornado alley.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay, do I build an on the ground survive or what?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
What do I That won't help you. That won't help you.
It's just gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I can't win. I can't win, you know. I guess
we're gonna have to move to like Wyoming or Montana
or something.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I was reading an article today. They showed a picture
from like June. It probably a week or so back,
but it said June second. There was I guess, even
up in uh in Yellowstone on the Biscuit basin where
they had the geothermal activity and stuff. They talk about
a little minor eruption that happened and they got this this.
It wasn't lobb or anything like that, but this looked

(08:41):
like almost like Old Faithful had just belch type thing,
you know what I mean, Like pond, I say, pawd,
this this hot spring just belched up a whole bunch
of mud and silt and stuff like that. It was
the same one that had the little the little guys
are happening last year. This year did this And they

(09:03):
said they're calling it a little minor eruption is what
they're calling it from the and you know how big
that called area.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Is so right right?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Well, you know, and with this shift paranormally speaking, when
I go to that the lay lines are changing and
that they're forever changing. But I mean, are we going
to see, you know, this uptick in paranormal activity in
places that didn't necessarily have it.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Before.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
And we're we're going to be seeing much much more
of this activity, you know, because we talked about Skinwalker
Ranch and and and all these other places that that
have similar activity, and are we going to be seeing
a shift in that of less activity at those locations
and more activity in other places.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
So that'll be interesting. That'll be interesting to see over
the next couple of years. I mean, we can make
sure that we're paying attention to cryptid reports and you know,
just new paranormal activity. You know, what does she say,
George has been very active at work? Yes, she has

(10:15):
a dose at work with her and thank you, Kelly, Kelly.
It's but it's going to be amazing over the next
couple of years to watch exactly where these reports are going,
because I mean the maps out now where the most
reports that are coming in at you know, uh, Missouri,
believe it or not, is I think in the top five.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Reports.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, your seismic activity up there is about to go
off the chart, I think. And if there ever is,
if there ever is a major and I don't want
I hate to even think that, because if it does happen,
we're talking, it could wipe out the majority of the
United States. If there is an actual major eruption from Yellowstone,

(11:01):
we it may not quite reach me down here, but
Missouri's damn, they're gone.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Uh well, you know they were talking about that too.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Any type of earthquake or seismic activity is going to
widen the Mississippi.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
And if you if you're talking.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
About widening the Mississippi, I don't really live that far
from it.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, you know you're close, You're close.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'm close. I'm very very close.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
So you know, like I said, it'll be interesting to
see how all of this volcanic and seismic activity is
going to affect what's going on in the world that
we talk about every day.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
You know what I mean. So it's it's it's going
to be scary but yet exciting. To find out.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, I mean, if nobody's paying attention to this research wise, by.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
God, they've got to be documenting this stuff. They've got to.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Please do.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
If you're out there and you're a researcher, and you
are you know, really really just documenting everything, your your ecosystems, everything,
pay attention to what's happening with the with the you know,
with the world.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Pay attention to.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
It because it's yeah, it's getting kind of crazy out there.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, And you know, I sit there and think about it,
because you know, we talked about this stuff, and I
know there's people out there that saying, well, I keep
track of this, or I keep track. We've got Noah
and the National Weather Service that have kept records for
probably the last hundred years or so, so we're I'm

(12:44):
betting that they've got some sort of established timeline of
how things change over the course of certain amount of
decades and stuff. Because you can't measure this per year.
You just can't measure it per year. It just doesn't
work that way.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
No, it makes me wonder if it's pushed our world
into not the next ice age, but the next major
earth change.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, kind of kind of just something it might be
coming this way.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I mean, because they're talking about the next major earth
change is going to produce a lot of islands versus
what we have as continents.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
So I mean that is that is kind of exciting.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
But not everybody gets to be tropical.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, everybody gets to have their own island.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Now, maybe cool there, Everybody start working their coccas and
get them ready to go.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Right right, No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Not everybody's going to be warm, but there, you know,
like I said, with all the activity going on, it'll
be interesting to watch what the crypti community is going
to do in the next couple of years.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Oh yeah, so we'll we'll see.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
You know, it may be you know, maybe something will
happen in our lifetime that will change something or may not.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
But the thing is that it's coming.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, that's like yeah quite frankly, people person a person
is smart, A person or persons is smart. People are stupid. Okay,
that's just all theirs to it. We're stupid.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
All I know is I'm going to follow Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm following Bigfoot where he goes.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Like I said, if they if they pick him up
and they you know that he's in Like I said,
Wyoming or Montana a lot.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
That's where I'm going. I'm going.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
If there's an eruption, wowm and won't be there, so
that too.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
We don't know, but it's going to be interesting to see.
So anyway, Hi Donnie, how was dinner?

Speaker 5 (14:44):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
We're very mad that you didn't bring us any doggie bags.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Ye didn't even ask us to go.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
No.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
Oh yeah, you guys, unfortunately are in completely different states.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
So that's not the point that had.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
That had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
But don't worry. We will be breaking bed bread what again,
breaking bread at the conference.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
So hey, I pitch, I don't catch Okay.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
You guys try to have me bunk with Jason McLean.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I'm like, he well, yeah, ya, y'all got spun. No man,
Jason said, picture and everything.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
I don't want to see that. Dude's snoring and stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Now, oh good.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Anyway, anyway, what they're talking about is the conference, the
Crossing Realms Conference at the Eagleton c Civic Center from
the nineteenth and twentieth. We have a new poster out
there from Jason. He has got I don't think he
even has the other old new one out.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
This is like, hey, look at the top part, don't
look at the lower parts.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Okay, anyway, just to let you know that, you know,
we are selling different tickets for the conference on Saturday.
We have the meet and greet Friday night, and we've
added a new activity, social activity. Thursday evening it's gonna
be at the Big River Ranch and we're going to
have social Night. We're just gonna put it like that,

(16:14):
Social Night, And like I said, it's all o're all
ticket holders, so make sure you get your tickets. And
when we run out of tickets, we're not selling anymore
because of something about like a fire hazard or something.
Fire department said, no more than this many people in
the building, we'll have to stop. So make sure you

(16:36):
get your tickets and don't wait to the last minute
to get them.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Just as think, just think you could go to the
Thursday night hoot nanny as I'll call it. You go
to Thurday night Nanny, get completely blitzed and still have
time to sleep it off Friday before you get to
do the Friday.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Stuff exactly, and we'll make sure you know that we
can call a cab or whatever you need. So drink
responsibly everybody, and uh, you know, better safe than sorry,
just to say.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
But anyway, so.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Here we are, we're gonna work. Let's let's let's dig
into this because this.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Is we're going to dive in. Hunh Is that what
you want me to do?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, because this is the place that really just creeps
me out because there is no rhyme or reason. Well
there's a reason, cooky reason for this house. Yes, Now,
this is the Winchester Mansion for everybody. And we're going

(17:36):
to go ahead and let Randy kind of tell us
about what's what this is. If you've not heard about
it or you can't remember, we're going to give you
a little backstory on it.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah. Well, the Winchester House, I mean, everybody's heard of
it in some way, shape or form when it comes
to paranormal activity and paranormal researches. Everybody's heard of this.
It's like bucket list stuff for people a lot of times.
But uh, Sarah Chester started building this. This was their
their ranch that her and her husband William had and
when he died in eighteen and one, she inherited half

(18:08):
of the Winchester Repeating Arms Company and a twenty million
dollar at night and now it's eighteen eighty one twenty
million dollar estate. Okay, so she got money to blow.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
In other words, and when Winchester Rifles were like the
biggest deal back then, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
There were repeaters. They were repeaters. You did not have
to sit there and redo flint You didn't have to
redo flint lock. You didn't have to pack it. You
just put the cartridge in and get going. Okay. Well,
as I was reading through this stuff and I was
looking at it, I was like, okay, well, you know
she was actually born in Connecticut, which most of Winchesters
were from that area, if I'm not mistaken. But the

(18:48):
when she they got out there and bought that that ranch,
and after William died, she kind of started, I don't
want to say, go off the deep end, but she
really kind of did.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Now, she jumped. She jumped, all right.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I don't want to say it like that because I
wanted to give her her props because quite frankly, she
didn't care what was built. Okay, she really did not
care what was built as long as the building never stopped.
The reasoning behind this was because she thought that the
many souls of people whose lives were taken by the

(19:27):
Repeating Arms of the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, that it
was they were tormenting her, they were following her, and
the only way to keep them at bay was to
build on this house to where they could not find her.
That was their entire, you know, conception of it. If
it has all this strange stuff going to strange places,

(19:50):
it would confuse the spirits that they could not find her,
so she could get some peace. Now, Okay, we've jumped
one hundred percent now by this point. Okay, that they
built and she started building in let me see what
was it it did. Let's see eighteen eighty four, her

(20:12):
husband died eighteen eighty one, and yeah, next thirty eight months, okay,
thirty eight years, Okay, in eighteen eighty four. For the
next thirty eight years, reports claimed that property would be
constantly under construction twenty four hour day, seven days a week,
kept going until her death in nineteen twenty two.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
So oh, I don't, okay, go ahead, I don't understand,
but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, do you think I do?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I mean, I mean, I can understand, but I mean,
could you like build something intricate instead of just keep
adding rooms? I mean, it didn't have to go on
this massive scale that she continued, like after room, you
didn't have to really do that.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I mean, if you wanted to, you.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Could do like awesome woodwork that would take a long time,
and all kinds of tilework. And you know, hey, I
don't know, I don't know why she chose the major
construction route with it.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, and originally, you know, they said that it was
their ranch house or whatever, but technically he wasn't never
there because he was in he was in Connecticut with
her the following It says she lost many family members
during that time. In eighteen sixty five, she lost an
infant daughter. She lost her father in eighteen sixty nine,
she lost her mother in eighteen eighty, she lost her

(21:38):
father in law and her husband in eighteen eighty one,
and then her sister in eighteen eighty four. That's when
she really started nailing nailing it, and she left Connecticut
and went out to San Jose, California. Within a few months,
she'd already added more than a dozen rooms to the
new home that she had with the intention of commentating
to little sisters and their families. And that's when it

(21:59):
started and kept going for thirty eight years. So well,
let's talk.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
About let's let's talk about what she did in the house.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Let's talk about some of the rooms and and things
that that she had done.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Here's a little archive photo for the stairwell that goes
you know, what's two stairwells going different ways. Now, it
doesn't show up very well in this, but they're down
here at the bottom, at the bottom of this stairwell.
This is an archive. Like I said, there is an
inlet coming in. So it's like you come up and
they got these two stairwells branching off of each other.
H then you got that one. And let's see the

(22:38):
the doorway to nowhere. Let me see where we are there,
we are the infamous doorway to nowhere? What's it there for?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
You know, well, doesn't it doesn't that seem dangerous?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I mean, oh yeah, especially when you get pictures like that.
Oh yeah, I'll mean, I own, guys, don't play up there.
It'd be my luck. I'd be going through that little
roof right there, right. I don't know, Yeah, she do,
she did some stuff. I mean, I'm mnsa show you

(23:13):
some of the exteriors. I mean, because the exteriors. Really
we're kind of cool looking. I mean, look at your
corner area right here. That's a lot of articulate and
very u buying craftsmanship. I shouldn't say it, really mean
like because these guys put some serious work into this

(23:34):
craftsmanship in this house. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
The the basic structure of the architecture is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Very beautiful in its own right.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah. Yeah, because they they've actually said that her and
her husband while we're in Connecticut were into the architecture
of newer architecture, and that's what they were doing there
in Connecticut as well. So maybe she used this as
a you know, more of a hey, let's test see
it this thro this against the wall of the sticks
type thing, you know what I mean, maybe she'd liked

(24:07):
to use that to test designs out. I mean, you
and you break out, you know, I mean, it was
all over the house, you know.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I mean she did report that seeing spirits in.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
The home, yes, yes, and she you know, and she
didn't know who they were.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
She just automatically assumed that these were, you know, people
who had been.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
People who had passed away by the Winchester rifle.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, so now, yeah, this is the time of spirituality
movement too. You know, this is during that time frame.
So she probably had somebody gifted in her ears saying
what they were, probably letting her kind in her that way.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yes she did, Yes she did.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I don't know if they were a self proclaimed psychic
or whatever it was, but they were the ones that
I told her she would have to keep building, So
she did.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I don't I don't know. I mean, I don't know
what everybody else thinks about this, but I don't. I
don't get why she would have to keep building.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
And it does nothing ever, says other than the fact
that she says it. That she stated that she just
wanted it continuously being built and that it was two
quote unquote two apiece of spirits. Now I'm looking at
where it stands today. Okay, now I'm gonna look. Here's
one from this from nineteen oh six. This is right
after the San Francisco earthquake in nineteen oh six, and

(25:39):
it has some damage happened. Right then, Hey, that's quite frank,
let me show. That's a bucket list thing for me.
I want to visit it. I don't want to do
it an actual you know, investigation there, but I would
love to visit just to see the house itself.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I don't know, I think I would want to just
because of you know, you never know what you're going
to run into. But I mean, even even through those
those years, those decades of her to keep building, she
was still seeing spirits.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So I'm not you know, like I said there.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, So, I mean I don't get what the whole
thing the hubbub was about. I mean, keep building, keep
building for what I mean. I wonder if it became
just a thing that she was known for, so she
just kept doing it.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah. That last one was in the nineteen sixties, by
the way, that one right there. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
I don't because after a decade and you're still seeing spirits.
I mean I would have taken the advice and chucked it,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
This is not it's not working. But I mean I
think she just became that lady.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, and she just kept up.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
That persona that she'll always keep building on that house.
I mean, there was no rational thought in her mind,
well to keep building if she's still seeing these apparitions
and and other things that are happening in her home.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Quite frankly, I don't want to get anybody mad at
me by saying it. But she turned into it. Crazy
cat lady, is what she did.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
It sounds like, dad, she came obsessed.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, she obsessed. You know what. This is what it
looks like today. This is what it sounds like today
when you when you hear about this this Uh, I'm
gonna put a picture of it right here with this one.
This is what it says today. It stands as four stories,
one hundred and sixty rooms, twenty four thousand square feet,
constructed mostly out of redwood, on less than five remaining acres.

(27:40):
They used to have hundreds of acres, but there's only
five remaining acres because the city has taken over a
lot of it. Right, But the home has two thousand doors,
a lot of them leading it just in the blank walls.
You open it, and this is of course you see
the infamous door to nowhere. But yeah, they lead into
blank walls. Ten thousand windows, some interior facing. You kept

(28:03):
windows and stained glass inside the house. And you'll see
this in a couple of the other pictures. Forty seven fireplaces,
seventeen chimneys, forty stairways and at least one of which
Lee leads up to a ceiling literally stairway to the ceiling.
Forty bedrooms, two ballrooms, one complete and one of them finished,

(28:26):
thirteen bathrooms, six kitchens, three elevators, two basements, and a
wood paneled Venetian inspired dining room.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
And that's where it stopped, because when she died, all
construction stopped.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
I on, Donny, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Well, I'm sure, I'm sure Randy, you've read the controversy right, because,
oh yeah, Brandy, here's the thing. You know, we all
heard the legends about the Winchester Mystery House, about how
she went crazy, she felt guilt ridden, YadA, YadA, YadA,
became superstitious. There's a whole argument against this whole thing.
I'm sure into you're familiar to the skeptical perspective, yes,

(29:13):
and we're going to get into that too, right a
little bit. Let the people decide for themselves, because you know,
when I was because this was a very quickly planned topic, guys,
a little like behind the curtains look. But so when
I was working at doing my job, I was just

(29:33):
briefly like looking through the mystery house stuff. And I
found a lot of stuff that was actually kind of
like kind of counter to all the I guess accounts
of Sarah Winchester being all this crazy lady who was
so guilt ridden that she made okay. And then the
other thing is, you know, this leads to the question, right, like,

(29:55):
the legend goes that this house was essentially designed house spirits,
right to.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Keep them, keep them at bake, take even confused quote unquote.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Yeah right, right. So that got me thinking, what if
you had to actually make a haunted house. What if
you had all the resources you could ever want, all
the money, all the ability to all the construction people,
and someone came up to you, right and they were like, Brandy,
I want you to build me a super hanted house.

(30:31):
Build a house, but then make a haunted What would
you do?

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Well, I mean if if are you talking about in
today's world or back then?

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Well, we could do in today's world or back.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Then other way experiment the way works right right? Well,
you know, I am a firm believer that spirits are everywhere.
I don't believe that all spirits are actually uh stuck
in one area, that there are transient ghosts so basically
I would just openly start talking and investigating in an area,

(31:10):
which again will attract other ghosts into the area because
you can see them, you can hear them, You can
do that thing, and you know, over time, it will
eventually have its own set of spirits. Right, Yeah, yeah,
I would definitely do that.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Or you could just build a regular house and just
have mad Weiji board sessions.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Up in there, right, our seances or know all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yes, well, yes, now that you mentioned that about the seances,
there were nightly seances there at one time too. The
Winchester established sent every day with their status. She had
no interest in seances, and there's no record of them
being held in the house. However, there's an urban legend
that has ridden the claim that they had nightly seances
in the Blue room.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Oh my gosh, you're right, you know.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
And then the other thing is is that she's sitting
there and she's totally putting her energy into these spirits.
And I'm wondering if, okay, because we've talked about a
thousand times, did she actually manifest them herself? Did she

(32:23):
just think about it so much that she created her
own problem?

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I could not tell you. I could not tell
you for sure because that she literally, like we said,
but we're both of the same mindset. She has probably
gone off the deep end at this point. She's had
a lot of death in her life. She's had a
lot of her parents of death in her a lot
of death. So that's not the way on anybody obviously.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Well. Yeah, and depression is a big deal.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
The deal, And they didn't know about that back then,
you know, because.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
We always say if you're not in tip top shape,
don't go ghost hunting. No, don't don't do it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
You know's Yeah, it's gonna magnify.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Right, and it's just gonna draw what spirits to you
because you're putting off energy. It doesn't matter what kind
of energy. It could be happy energy, it could be
sad energy, anger, it could be anything, but it will
put out energy to just draw these things in. So
that's you know, the odds were stacked up against her anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, quite frankly, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I don't. I honestly don't think that she as a
person before her husband died, was very stable anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, I'm trying to find the spot where the moving
to California, this is where we were talking about the
movement to California when we were talking about the medium
that we said, kind of coach you're on happened in
New England and Boston, and a medium named Adam Koons
is the one that told her she and her family
were being haunted by the ghosts of people killed by

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Winchester rifles and she must construct construct a house for
these ghosts, and that she must never complete the project.
So there's the foundation. She's already in this fragile state
of mind to start with. And I don't know how
much this dude probably made off of her. He probably
made a ton off of her, quite frankly, I mean

(34:30):
on the property.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Suggest that who would say that? Yeah, who would say,
just keep building, just keep spending your money, just keep
doing it for the rest of your life, just keep
doing it.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Who would say that? You know, somebody, I'm.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
A psychic medium, but I also moonlight as the head
of a small construction company.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean, Uh, this is where that's why I don't
like talking about this house.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Well, yeah, because it's beyond our our normal mindset to
fathom how she could continually do this. But she obviously
truly believed it, or she wouldn't have Sucker money.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Well, when you've got this psychic medium saying.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
During that time frame, especially during that time frame.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right, hey, you've got to build this house.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I mean so honestly, who would just who would who
would do that?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
You know, a reputable psychic medium would be like, hey,
this is what's going on. This is what you need
to do to cleanse, to clear, to soothe your soul,
do whatever. But building a house when the construction never
ends for the rest of your life is not something
that a psychic medium would tell you.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
Do they have actual historical records of the psychic medium.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
They had a name, that's all they got. All I
got on is a name. Adam Coons is the one
that told her now this wast's see. It was based
on Joe Nickel, the you know Joe Nickel, the skeptical
inquiry guy. Yeah, he wrote it actually in October two
thousand and two, wrote a book called Winchester Mystery House Fact,

(36:26):
Fact Versus Fancy. And of course I like Joe Nickel.
He pisses off a lot of people with his views
and stuff, but he's very down to earth with the
stuff he actually states. So when he says something about it,
I tend to kind of think, okay, well I need
to look at it kind of the way he's looking
at it now.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
And he acknowledges that she did it in fact, have
contact with the psychic medium who told her this.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yes, yes, he's the one that he found that out
on that and there's a couple other footnotes on it.
But either way, when I read that, he was the
one that first wrote about it or what wrote about
it once, and that he could have got it from
other other avenues as well, but he usually that's his
stuff pretty good, So.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Mean, okay, so we know that Stephen King wrote a book.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Called Rose Matter.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
About the hospital.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
It's called rose May and it's about a house.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's pretty much the same thing.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
The same thing is happening in this house, so they're
building and building and building. It's kind of like the
same type of story.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
They had a.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Movie about it, and I don't know, it kind of
been it might have been Rose Red when they made
the movie, but the book was.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
They so the book was.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
And because I always I always read Stephen King's books,
if or even watch the movie because the books. His
books are terrifying and I can't even say that any
better terrifying. But his movies, they they kind of have
some type of lackluster when it comes to putting across

(38:18):
what the book gave you in your mind visual you
know what I mean? So I mean the movie it okay,
let's just take that one.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
The movie.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Ith. Yeah, that book scared me even worse. And it
was a lot different than the movie. You're talking ones
the original, Yeah, because it's a lot different than the movie.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I mean, it's got the same plot, but.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
It gets really weird and and like I said, it
doesn't come across to the movie as quite as.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
The book would scare you to death.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
But the Rose Matter, it was just about the same thing.
And I'm like, was he writing about the Winchester House?
Was he writing something similar to that?

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I have? I just looked it up. He Rose Red
is not connected to it. Rose Red was just a
mini series that he co wrote. He didn't write a
book about it or anything. It is that he wrote it.
But Rose Matter he did write, and they were going
in ninety six they were going to do a movie
on it with HBO. But it hasn't never been made.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
So yeah, but rose Matter was made?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah? Was the name of the was the name of
the book? Yes? One of the yes, And I missed
it somehow. That's the one Stephen King I have never read. Yes.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Well, wait a minute now that I'm thinking about it,
isn't that what the woman called the house rose Red
in the movie?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Well? Yeah, but the but there, Yeah, the mini series
rose Red. But that was a separate story written by
Stephen King for that movie alone. It wasn't a book.
He wrote the screenplay for it.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, but that that's a lot along with that's kind
of like the what he does a lot with his books.
You know, he'll take one of his books and make
a miniseries and things like that.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
And I do miss the stuff. I mean, he's got
a lot of good stuff.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
But yeah, I missed that period in the in the
like late eighties, early nineties, when it was just Stephen
King mini series coming out on TV. Yeah, the Langles,
remember remember the Stand that series?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yes, it was awesome, that was so good. But that
was the only way you could have told the stand
is in a mini series, much like this gun Slinger
movie that was out a couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Oh that was garbage.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
It was. It's like they cred to mash all of
them together, and I'm like, hell, but now they're getting
ready to another one. Was gonna be They're going to
kind of spread it out by book. But anyway, sorry,
I digress. Anyway, Yes, the Rose Matter, I'm going to
read it now because I want to see if it
does kind of perpetuate the same thing as what what
the Winchester House does.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, see if you can find it, might that he
might even done adapt an adapted book Rose Red, So
you might want to find that.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah if he if he did an adapted to it,
Like when when The Green Out came out. Originally it
wasn't a novel. It was a six set series, and
I've got I had all the little thin books, you
know what the heck blurred there? Anyway, I got all
the little books, all six of them bad boys, and
I read them all before the movie ever even got

(41:29):
thought about me. It made so, I know.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
But that movie was awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, yeah, it was movie. If he has a hand
in it, usually it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
So right, Jodah Pop said that the Dark Tower series,
if you've not read that series.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
That's a fantastic one too.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yes, I've read all them too. Yeah, that's why I
think that that that movie was so dang bad.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Was her old time favorite book? Wow?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, one of the best ones, one of the best things.
It really is.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, Knockers.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Oh we got a question for Brandy. Yeah, Brandy question.
Who owns the house now? And even though the shows
go there, do they open for ghost tours?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yes? They are. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to overstep
you on that.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
That's okay, Yes they do. They do have ghost tours.
I don't know if they're open for overnight investigations. I
don't think so, but I do know they're open for tours.
And who owns it now? I'm not sure who owns
it now. I think the Historical Society's got.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
It I'm pretty sure that's what it is for that area.
I'm trying to find the actual.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Because Winchester Investments LLC is who owns it?

Speaker 3 (42:43):
There you go, okay, okay, so they didn't turn it
over to the Historical site of Society, Okay.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
And it is. I'm going to give you the actual.
I'm going to put it in the chat. So you
guys got it. I'm giving you the actual link to
their site. You can do garden teeth already. I mean
they do stuff there all the time. Daily mansion Tours,
paranormal investigations, they that.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yes, they got everything now.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
But the problem is you have to go to San Jose.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, that's the problem. I gotta go. I only have
I used to.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Live one night, that's all.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
I used to live in San Francisco and going over
to San Jose.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
I was like, okay, well see if my niece lives
in corn Coronado.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Island, Okay, there you go.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's fine with me.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I only got to stay in San Jose for one night,
that's it, and then I can travel on.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So you got paranormal investigations, they have this. I'm just
looking at the scroller, the ticker. You know, Daily mansion
tours to get tickets and stuff, and they do private
events and weddings too. Yes, so they got an online store.
They got paraphernalia and merchandise like crazy.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
So I'm telling you, I want to go there just
to check out their architecture. Actually that's what I want
to go. Yeah, house looks like Yeah, I just want
to see it. Now have to look at these pictures.
I mean, there's here, I got one here, this this room.
I want to see if I can find the one
with the room.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I just want to go in and get lost.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, I mean, come on, that is freaking amazing. Look
at that architecture.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, I just want to go in and get lost.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, go on a tour.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I don't want somebody just show me the way out.
I just want to get lost, me and my.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Equipment and God's going to go somewhere.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I'll make it out somehow, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh, here, here's another one. This is the you see
the mirror in the middle of this one. That one
goes up to nothing, goes up to the ceiling there,
obviously because somebody's going up there and gotten messed up something.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
But still there's you know, I've seen a lot of
things on TikTok and YouTube and things like that, but
the stairs leading to nowhere is more common than what
you think it is. It's like they had some plans
to connect the floors through a stairway and then they
just didn't just up or you know, like it was

(45:15):
an afterthought and they didn't.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
They just didn't finish.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
To your point, Brandy, I was reading a whole bunch
of like skeptical arguments against a mystery house. And one
of the points about all those stairs that led to
nowhere was just it wasn't so much paranormal as it
was more very poor planning, right, Like they it.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Was an afterthought like, Okay, this looks like a great
place for some stairs, and then they figured out, hey,
we can't even open up the floor here.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Can't do that.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
And I mean, I guess if you're sitting there and
you're hired by her to keep building and building, but
you'd have to come up with ideas somewhere, and I mean,
you're not going to have like months to plan. It's
kind of like once you run out of ideas, you
got to come up with more ideas. And there's only
so far that they could expand on this thing.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, and it's been expanded and tore down on parts too,
you know, they've taken some parts down, yeah, and rebuilt
around it, you know, but it's always.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah, I think it's poor planning. Again what Donnie said,
I think that's why they had to tear it down,
because they couldn't I don't know add on to it.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Or say something. Right, But but everything that was built
is all top of the line building. You know what
I mean. It's all top of the line construction. It
is very ornate and just like, ugh, go what the woman?
But did you do it? I mean this weekend, Donnie,

(46:44):
did you put one up there?

Speaker 5 (46:45):
I've got a couple. Actually, okay, well let me load
them first, hold on.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Because if you don't, if you don't, I was just
gonna sit there and tell everybody, hey, I love you.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
All right, go ahead and play the team. I got it, Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I just want everybody know I do believe in them. Yes,
every week, every week, I believe in all of you.
M I gotta find that wait, oh wait, you.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Know Donni Cho, Donna Cho meme of the week.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
Alright, simple little picture. I was gonna do a theme.
I was gonna do another song for the Winchester Mystery House.
I ran out of time because obviously I had plans,
so I prepared this little picture here instead. This is
a cute little picture. They're saying, you want us to
build what.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
My gosh, I rewired it.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
A handyman's worst nightmare.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Please do not let Tim Allen get up there. Correction
don't let him the tool man Taylor get up there.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
It would it would take him thirty eight years to
build a regular house, I think.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
And earlier you guys were talking. This is from earlier Todaymber,
we were talking about tornadoes in Missouri, and I shared
this with the group chat meanwhile, while while Christa was
ducking for cover. Yeah, the only good tornado, the Texas Tornado.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And then I tried to remember, did Donnie ever actually
seem wrestling? Maybe he did well when I when I
sent that, know who this guy is? So this doesn't
that is Carrie von Eric the Texas Tornado?

Speaker 5 (48:26):
You should I'm not a fan. Are you a fan
of inanity? Are you a fan of existence?

Speaker 3 (48:36):
No?

Speaker 5 (48:38):
Are you a fan of great mullets?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Definitely not.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
That is that's as far as beautiful mullets go.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I mean, that's the way it goes. That's right, that goes.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Anyway. I did feel a little bit awkward afterwards because
I was like, oh, man, am I being insensitive right now?
Because Chris is literally talking about like hiding under desk.
Meanwhile I sent this, mean, am I coming off as insensitive?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
We didn't care, well, you know, Donnie, And and it
may be to somebody else, but her and I have
been ducking a lot lately, yea.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
So it's just it's it's kind of like this is.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
That's what we're gonna do, you know. It's just it's
it's like, we got nowhere to go. It doesn't matter
where we go, there's gonna be a tornado. So we're
just so used to it now that we get excited
and then we're like, okay, all right, next, well that's next.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, It's like every few weeks Godzilla comes rolling through
your town.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Now, how many times have you heard me in our
group Chad going, I I got another tornado warning, got
another tornado warning, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
You know, just got the warning from the Sheriff's department,
because that's how I have to get mine, because I
don't have uh, you know, a siren or anything close
that I can hear.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
But did I tell you guys that one time.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
That just a few months ago, in the series of
tornadoes that we had, that I walked outside when all
this was happening and it was dead quiet, and then
I could hear a tornado siren from almost it's I
think it's eight miles from my house.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Holy crap, exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Why it was?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
There was nothing, no birds chirping, no crickets, no frogs.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Yeah, they're all smart enough to get to get the
hell out of Dodge.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah they're not like they're not like people. Where we
run outside, there's an actual hailstorm going on.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Well, I didn't know what was going on because they
were talking about this tornado bo and I'm not hearing nothing.
I'm not hearing nothing. And then I'm standing out there
and I hear the siren and and I'm like, that's
eight miles from my house. That's that's a long way.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
And I never hear this.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
You notice the sir, the silence before the siren, right, Yes.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
The silence was first, and then I heard the siren actually,
and then like in like a minute, a minute and
a half after the sirens started, you know, the wind
started picking up real hard.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
And I said, oh gosh.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
When you go outside and you hear that silence, you're
just like, either there's a big foot nearby, or we
about to have a tornado.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I had much hatter had a bigfoot. I had to
take a big foot any day to a tornado.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Oh yeah, yep, I ain't scared. I got two cars
that had had gotten now got to get new freaking windshields.
And uh my little, my little maroon car, my daughter's
little maroon car looks like somebody took a ball peen
hammer to the son of a gun.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Yeah, I mean you can. You can shoot a big foot,
you can't shoot a tornado.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
You know, well I would, you know, I could.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I could stand ten feet away from Bigfoot and be okay, yeah,
but I can't stand ten foot next to a tornado
and be okay.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Haven't you watched Tornado or Twister with with Bill Paxton.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
And no cow, We've got cows.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
If they were sitting there holding on to that thing,
you know, when it blew by, they were hold on
and got into the eye of the tornado, I'll tell
you all right now, I don't think there's an eye
to a tornado, and I'm not ever going to find out. Okay,
I think that's bs for the movie. It's all that's
she wrote.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
But I kind of portrayed that as like a hurricane,
and I'm like, yeah, that's not because the eye of
a tornado is not clean. It's picking up dirt and
debris and it's throwing it everywhere.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
So you know, yeah, that's for the movie.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
That's what's going to kill you, the debris flying through
the air, right right.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
What was I going to say about tornadoes?

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I don't know why we're even off on this subject,
but there was a tornado. I can't remember exactly where
it was, but they say the tornado was so intense
and that it traveled very, very slow, and that it
would concentrate itself in one area for three minutes.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
It stayed in one area for three minutes, three minutes
actually in contact with the ground.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
In contact with the ground, and that they said that
that people who had houses, cars or anything, there was
absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Left that it was.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
It was like just torn into articles, torn into particles
that there was nothing left that was recognizable if you
could even find it.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
That would rip the grass and the top layer of
soil off.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
It took everything.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
Was it like a F five?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
You know, I don't know, I don't know what I know.
It was a strong tornado.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
So I too. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Consider anything from three to a five pretty pretty dang strong.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
I mean, any tornado could be horrible.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
But stationary like that like you're talking about almost.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
For three minutes. You can look it up on YouTube, everybody.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I can't tell you when and where that was, but
it was three minutes in one stationary location.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I remember that, and I was like, oh my god, because.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
You know, people, we watched these tornadoes and they're over
within thirty seconds to a minute as they blow by.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
You know, the strongest part is gone in thirty seconds
to a minute.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
One.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah, but if you can con.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
This stactionary for three minutes, Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Okay says that was the May third or sixth tornado
that hit more Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Okay, if it's the one that stood steady for three minutes.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
It was a slow moving tornado, but it stood stationary.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
For three minutes. I'm not sure if it's more. I
watched documentaries on tornadoes all the time.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
It's fascinating, kind of like watching the crime documentaries and
things like that.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
It's a thing.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm fascinated documentaries in general.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Exactly. I'm just fascinated. But man, I'll tell you what it's.
It was something else.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
That's just that's quite frank it because just you know,
as growing up in this area and deal with tornadoes
my entire life for the most part. Never once have
I ever heard one sitting in one spot for three minutes.
It literally is fast. As you look up and see
it coming through it, within thirty seconds, it's already passed you.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
I don't know. I don't know, but Donnie, what do
you have up there?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
I mean, I know you don't have the tornado things,
but what is your major weather saying?

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Nothing? Everything? It seems to just barely miss this part
of Maryland. And I am so lucky. And I think
someone up there really likes me. Like every time there's
a hurricane, a hurricane will hit north New Jersey or
south like North Carolina or Virginia, but they will always
just miss or like, yeah, so tornadoes, same thing. There

(56:30):
was a tornado. I think that we had a tornado
warning once since I moved here. We have like one
dinky little tornado up in New Jersey. But nothing but
New Jersey gets said with hurricanes. Yeah, but no, nothing, nothing,
nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I lived there for five years and there I'm moving
up there is really good.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I'm originally from Michigan. You know, I don't care about snow.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
Yeah, winters aren't too bad here. I think it only
snowed like twice, Like it was bad twice this winter.
That was it. And yeah you should, uh, you should
move here. There's some good food. We've got great seafood.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Inner Harbor's great. I love Inner Harbor.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, okay, well see now I see I got a
place to go. Also, you're tired of it, That's what
I'm saying. If you're tired of all this weather. But
you know, because I'm like I said, this whole, this
whole thing about where we've been seeing Bigfoot for the

(57:35):
last fifty sixty years and have reported it. I mean,
because we've we've got a lot of reports from the
last fifty and sixty years.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I want to see where they go.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Well, you would follow them because.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
I think they're kind of smart, you know, if they
can keep themselves away. I mean, because we always know
that animals are more in tune to you know, weather
happenings versus what humans are. Do I know if Richmond,
Missouri was hit with anything yesterday, not to my knowledge. Now,

(58:14):
there could have been wind damage, there could have been
other things, but I do not think a tornado hit them. Yeah,
we were wondering about that too. It's just been a
mess here. Kansas City to Saint Louis has been hit
like crazy this year, and so is the you know
us down here. But of course I'm in the path

(58:35):
of Texas. So something it goes through Texas goes right
up through Arkansas. And guess who gets it me?

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
So even though Christa and I are in the same state,
we have different weather patterns because the way that the
wind in the trough comes is it comes on top
of her and then there's a big, you know, like
just empty section in the middle, and then I have
the trough from you know, the Gulf of Mexico that
comes down below, and then everything in the center is

(59:05):
what gets you know, all of this activity.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Well guess where that is? Right in my area. So
I'm I'm patiently awaiting more to happen.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
Amanda's Crazy Life says California doesn't have tornadoes or alligators,
but California has got its own set of let's just
say issues.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Well, it has the earthquakes and volcanoes, which they're talking
about wild and wildfires.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I mean they're talking about just the.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Whole earthquakes and volcanoes is going to be astronomical if
they have you know, two or three at the same
time erupting or you know, it's kind of like where
I live on the New Madrid fault line. You know,
if they have this major earthquake, you know they keep
talking about, Texas will be devastated, sour Our California will

(01:00:05):
be devastated. Missouri, Uh, definitely will be devastated. And anybody
within probably two hundred miles of the spout line will
be devastated.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Yeah, So it's the one state that doesn't have crazy weather.
I'd say probably yeah, Maryland for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
The most part. But now trapic that that uh Superstorm
Sandy when it came through a few years back, that
mess yelling.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
In my area, it didn't get hit that bad, honestly,
like other parts got hit. But like I'm telling you,
I'm like right outside, I'm in the suburbs of Baltimore.
And yeah, every time there's been like some kind of
crazy weather event, it always just misses us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I see, I don't I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
It knows Donnie's there. It's scared of making everybody have
to deal with him, so they want to make sure
you go to work. They want to make sure you
can get out. They want to make sure so hey,
we don't mock Donnie in nobody puts Donnie in the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Okay, I mean, but you got to think of this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Baltimore and Maryland has its own set of ghosts and
and yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Yeah, it's got plenty of that. Yeah, it's got we
got like we got a hundred like super hundred like roads.
Remember we're talking about hundred roads roads that's like five
miles from where.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I live, right, And y'all got cover bridges because I
did cover bridges and investigations in Virginia and in Maryland
in the area, especially going toward Edgefield that area.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
What is the attraction.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
To cover Brichase because of the age is the majority
of them. That's the biggest thing I think is the
age of the majority. Because I went to a bunch
of these with different groups and stuff that were doing
these things and they're doing for free there you know,
Facebook groups that got together and go to do this stuff.
And I'm sitting there and walking along like you people
are idiots. First of all the ones I'm walking along with,
most they're losing their mind taking pictures of their cigarette

(01:01:59):
spokes saying it's ecoplasm, Like are you stuck in the
eighties Ghostbuster movie or something? What are you talking about?
But I would find stuff while we were going there,
like old abandoned barns and stuff like that. That's what
would always get my attention. That's the stuff I always
wanted to look at.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Well, yeah, and I could see that. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
There's only one bridge that I've ever seen in my
life that I'm particularly kind of weary of. And it's
probably about twenty miles from here, and it sits back.
It sits back on an old one. I would say,
two tire, too tired dirt road. So that's why we're
going to get down in And it's two tires. And

(01:02:39):
you got to go across this bridge. Now, it is
made of steel, but yet the planks going across it
are wooden.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
So wood on top of the steel girders.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Yes, And it freaks me out because for number one,
people still cross this bridge on occasion. Yeah, and even
though it's not you know, super high. Now, you may
get hurt if you fall through it, you know, but
I mean you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
There should not be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Anything worse than that, you know, I mean some some
moderate injuries.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
But that's about it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
But something about it kind of gives me that vibe
like why is this here because it goes to nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
No, I mean, and you know the same thing with
the covered bridges, you know you're talking about it. It
goes nowhere. There's nothing really associated. I mean, it's not
like these bridges have a sinister history or anything. They're
just old covered bridges that people will see and they
immediately go back into the the Sleepy Hollow books, you know,

(01:03:51):
that's what they're thinking. That's try to be what they're thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
So oh, I actually visited the actual Sleepy Hollow Bridge.
It looks nothing like you expected. I don't really Yeah. Yeah,
it's way dinkier and it's not covered. There is a
covered bridge in the town of Sleepy Hollow that anyone
thinks is the actual Sleepy Hollow Bridge, but actually went
on a historical towards the town and they they showed

(01:04:15):
us what the actual Sleepy Hollow Bridge was, and it
looked nothing like it at all. I was like, this
is it really and they're like, yep, this is the
actual bridge where it was supposed to have happened. I'm
pulling up a picture of it right now. But it's
not even covered. Yeah, and it's like really small. It's
like way way smaller than I thought it would be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah, there you go, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
The actual bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
So okay, that's that spy hollow bridge, you know. But
they're they're thinking about it like the way the book
described it. That's what that's what people are thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Well, apparently there are covered bridges that look like that,
like the way it's described in the book, but they
know what your bridge it is. This bridge is actually
on a road that's like at the bottom of a
of this really famous and old graveyard where it was
supposed to have happened.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
But yeah, yeah, but the book, if you, if you
read the story, the story makes it sound like this
bridge is like a mile long.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
You know what.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
It's not. It's not long at all. It's like two carlinks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
That's it, right, That's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
But the story makes it sound like it's it's super
huge and super.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Long and forever, and it seems.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Like I remember, I specifically remember I was in the
car with I was with Tony Merkel at the time.
We were on this tour together. It was this whole
thing organized by his podcast, and then they're talking about, Oh,
we're going to pass the Sleepy Hollow Bridge and Nicole
minutes later, I'm like, did we pass it yet? And
they're like, we just passed it and I look back.
I was like that dinky thing and they're like, yeah,

(01:05:51):
that's the actual bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Wow. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Isn't it funny how folklore and stories can make things
appear more than what they are now.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
The location where it's at is actually pretty creepy. It's
a very old looking for us, with a very old,
big graveyard, you know, and it's like this big overlook,
so the setting itself is old and creepy. I'm just like, man,
that thing is small.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Oh I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I'm not saying that it doesn't give that creep factor.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I'm just saying they kind of blew up this story
to make it this big.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Yeah, we walked all around. Don Ristle's asking Donnie, did
you check out a cemetery? Yeah, actually that's what the
tour was there for. We actually got a at the
cemetery and walked all around. It's a pretty interesting place. Actually,
the bridge itself, I was like, what the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
I want to give it Katie smood because the northern Kentucky.
You know, I used to want to station to Campbell.
We used to go all over Kentucky, but I never
got a chance to go up northern to see the
sleepy hollow area that's up there and that had that
had its own folklore too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Yeah, I don't know. We're gonna have to do some uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Some we need an Rvypooptober.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
We're gonna have to do some Spooptober shows, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
We need a month and we need to start on
one coach to start walking working away for a month
all the way to the other ghost.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
I'd love to have the money to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
Guys. I'm sorry to suddenly just change the topic back,
but I just wanted to add a few quick things
before we leave this Winchester Mystery House.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Forgetting that, I'm sorry again. So we get talking spooky
stuff and see where it goes. It goes everyone, Oh, no.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
I mean this, we're still on the topic of spooky stuff.
It's all good, but so a lot of these stories
about the Winchester Mystery House we're kind of popping up
in the newspaper during Sarah Winchester's lifetime. Now, the thing
is that during this time, a lot of people who
worked for her directly and a lot of her friends
and family were very adamant about protecting her reputation because

(01:07:57):
they felt like she was being unfairly laid as a
crackpot because a lot of the rumors starts swirling around
when she was, you know, because of the construction, and
there was so much construction happening, right And there were
some people, some associates of her who actually when that
came out in public, and said, hey, you know, she's
not that crazy. She's actually quite sensible. I've never known

(01:08:20):
her for getting involved in any of the superstitious stuff.
So I do feel some kind of obligation to point
that out, because it would be unfair of us to
paint her in one way if like, you know, people
close her or are trying, like directly trying to counter
that image as being portrayed of her by the media. Now,
one of the interesting points that they brought up, though,

(01:08:41):
was the whole notion of her feeling guilty about the
Winchester thing, like the rifles. Yeah, okay, because a couple things.
One she didn't actually she wasn't the one who invented
the Winchester rifle. It was her husband, right, right, So yeah,
and yeah, there's those there's those accounts of the medium

(01:09:01):
saying that, well, you have to build it, and this
is what I see, this is what you gotta do.
But the other thing is people, like the mindset of
the people in the nineteenth century, they wouldn't have really
been guilted like that, I feel like culturally, because if
you look at the way a lot of these rifles
back then historically were marketed, they were marketed as tools

(01:09:24):
to save lives rather than take lives. Right. If you
look at the early marketing for the Winchester rifles, it
was defend your family, defend your home. You know. The
Winchester repeater, the eighteen seventy three model was known as
the gun that won to West right. It was a
simple prosperity and protection, and it was actually known. The
way they would kind of mental gymnastics it in their

(01:09:46):
head was that it would save lives. Right. Yeah, that's
one number two. It's not like Winchester had the monopoly
on the repeating rifles. There was also the Henry repeating rifle. Yeah,
so if people weren't buying Winchester's, they were buying Henry's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, but the problem was with that With the Henrys,
they were quote unquote repeaters, but you had to physically, yeah,
get it was a different mechanism to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
So, Yeah, what Winchester really revolutionized was the loading mechanism.
Because Henry's you kind of have to two blow them.
It's a real pand the butt. I actually know this
from all the Red Dead Redemption two I've played. I'm
kind of an expert on the topic. Now, whereas the
Winchester you kind of load them. There's like a gate.
You just load them one by one from.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
The side way easier. Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
So that's what it really revolutionized. But it's not like
people didn't have access. Oh, just because Winchester created this rifle,
all these people died. I mean there were other guns
available that were, you know, just as viable. I mean, the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Colt Company would be in the same boat, you know
what I mean, Yeah, as far as revolvers go.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
And then once World War One rolls around, and then
the Winchesters are pretty much obsolete now because now you've
got in my automatic rifles operator. Yeah, So there's that too.
And but here's the thing now I'm gonna I'm going
to counter I'm going to contradict my own point. Spiritualism.

(01:11:16):
This is a topic I've been wanting to do in
for a while. The spiritual movement of the late nineteenth
century leading into the early twentieth century. That spiritual movement
was essentially what it was is it's this right, It's
this whole paranormal community minus the technology, but mainstream.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah, because everybody believed it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Everyone believed that it was a mainstream thing, that it
was like one of the most common things that people
would get involved in were like these groups, especially people
in the upper echelons of society. One of their main
you know, other than standard social gatherings or functions, they
would have like these seance meetings. They would have like
these town halls that were essentially like the old timey

(01:12:01):
version of these podcasts, Yeah, where you would have speakers
on spiritualism, famous mediums or authors, and they'll get together
on they would get up on stage in the theater
and all the people who are who are interested in
the topic would be in the audience and it would
be like crowd participation. They'll be asking questions, there would
be conversations very much like we're doing now. And that

(01:12:23):
was mainstream. So a lot of people in Sarah Winchester's
I guess social status or class would have been involved
in that. So seances were not that uncommon for people
in her social status.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
But for her to sit there and tell people that
for a long time that she wasn't doing it wouldn't
have anything to do with it kind of things contradictory
to what got her out there in the first place. Yeah, so,
I mean, I mean, I'm with you, I agree. I
mean that entire area she was primed for the spirituality

(01:12:57):
movement to actually just take her and run with her.
You know what.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
I've been meaning to do a podcast in the future
about that whole topic because it is pretty fascinating because
people in this in this community, right, we always talk about, oh,
what would it be like if if paranormal cryptos stuff
was mainstream? What would be like if it was like
accepted by like by like greater society, And yeah, and
yeah it was at one. That's what a lot of

(01:13:22):
people here, don't I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Didn't we do something on the guy that did the
ten types or whatever? It was the the the ghost Pictures,
if I'm not mistaken. I can't remember if it was
on one of the other shows or this one, but I.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
Don't think we did it here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
The spirituality guy that that he was a photographer. Maybe
it was on on an episode of Expedition Extra Destination,
I don't remember, but he would take the pictures and
it would show supposedly ghosts in the picture, and and
uh people, the picture of Mary Todd Lincoln would Lincoln
on her over his shoulder. Yep, you know that famous

(01:13:58):
one that was taken by this guy. And he did
a bunch, but he was the only one. Seemed like
they could do it for some reason.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
And there's an argument to be made that what we're
doing now, this very podcast or these types of podcasts,
is essentially the evolved version of that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Brewell could be. Yeah, Brewell could be so anyway, who Yeah,
that'd be a fun one to do. That really would
be a yeah to do.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
So I've been planning to do that for one for
a while, right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
You know, I was just reading some weird facts about
the Winchester House, just just things, and it said, which
is crazy that, you know, when I was talking about
it being a historical landmark. It is, yeah, but it
is still it is still personally owned by the Brown family,

(01:14:50):
which the Brown family bought it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
She died in nineteen twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
They bought it in nineteen twenty three, and they've had
it open to the public ever since.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
So, I mean, so this this Winchester Mystery House LLC.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
They still represent the Brown family who's still.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Yeah, still yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
And hundred years.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
That's over a hundred years that the Brown family had
that house. They've had that family has had that house
longer than she did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Yeah, she only had it thirty eight years, so.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Right right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
They also, you know, because I knew it had to
be on a historical register.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
I knew, And that comes with its own set of.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Problems when you do something from the historical society, that
cuts off a lot of you can't do. You can't
stay in the house, you can't do overnight tours, you
can't do a whole lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
That's why I was asking.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
So they don't have it in a per se for
an overnight stay investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
You can't sleep in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
No, I don't think you can. I think you just
book an actual investigation. Now, I don't know that for
sure because I didn't look at it obviously, but that's
it's on their website. Look at the pricing and stuff
and see what they're charging. Because I didn't even go
that far into it. I just want to look look
at the front side, the splash screen and such.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
So just what comes along with historical landmarks you can't. Yeah,
that's a whole new ball of wax that you can't
do that well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
As in some of those pictures, they obviously did. They
renovated over the years, as as you know, building codes
and stuff came in after the fact, because obviously you
can see the sprinkler systems in there that obviously were
not in there from from the get go. They had that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah, that had to be due to fire code or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
It's not you but you know, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Do you know that this this house, you know, Brandy,
you talked about it. It had one hundred and sixty rooms.
Do you know I only had thirteen bathrooms.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Forty venrooms and thirteen bathrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
But originally they were gonna she was talking about, they
were going to start at thirteen like you were talking
about with the thirteen ghosts. You know, we were talking
about before, right, the same thing that she was originally
supposedly going to stop at thirteen thirteen thirteen on all
of them, and that just didn't work out that way.
So hmmm, that was the under That was the impression

(01:17:35):
that the that was given by the uh, the people
working on it, that they thought that they were only
going to go to thirteen's all the way around. And
I don't guess she ever told them said no, we're
going to keep going, and we're gonna keep going, and
we're gonna keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
What year was that earthquake?

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Nineteen oh six?

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Nineteen oh six, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Because they said that after the earthquake that she like
cleared away the rubble, but she didn't do a whole
lot after that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
Apparently she was actually not spending most of her time
at the mystery house itself. She had like seven other
properties that she was kind of going back and forth to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
So wouldn't there make more sense buy more houses, don't
don't spend all the one on the buy more houses.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Travel, you know, you want to confuse the ghost, I'll
never know where you are.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
You know, maybe if she if you think about it,
maybe she was a little bit more brilliant than we're
giving her credit for. She saw the tourist attraction for
the future. Did you know that they make it movie.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
She was trying to set it up like a haunted
Disneyland bingo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Yeah, obviously, but still.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Maybe maybe because when she died, she left everything to
her knees, the house, her personal belongings, clothing, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Yeah, and her niece sold it all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Yeah, which another that's an other. If she'd have kept
even a third of her clothing and stuff, she could
have set that place up like a museum in parts,
you know, more so than it even it is now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Yeah, But I mean, I'm kind of thinking if Sarah
was so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Obsessed with this house and her knees sold it after
she left it to her, probably under the pretense that
she was going to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Take care of it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Yeah, and she sold everything, do you think that some
of those personal belongings, household items, or anything like that
could be haunted by Sarah Winchester?

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Possibly?

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
But was she hard to say?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Was she at rest when she passed too, Was she
did anything? Would anything dare have held on to her
to where she would have wanted to stay there?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
I would be like asking you right, like, if you
were if and when you pass, are you going to
stay as a ghost? Are you going to cross over
into the light?

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Well, this is my thing too.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
If it wasn't a labor of love to begin with
of this house, yeah, why would you stay there and
continue to build? Why to contain the ghost into one
particular property, one particular house, so they won't follow you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
I'm just trying.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
To understand her mindset when I would have just sold
the property, you know, and then figured it out later,
when you know, if if you were truly haunted.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
But I don't. I think she caused a lot of
the problems herself by listening to this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Medium, psychic medium, whoever they were, and I think that
she would have it would have never happened if she
would have just sold the property, because evidently she wasn't
having problems at any of her other.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Properties that we know of anyway, Yeah, that we know of.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
I mean, that would have been a great story, a
big story, you know, around these things are following me,
you know or something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Yeah, but why would you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Have held out to that property? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
That's just a question. Everybody's gonna have to come up with.
Her own you know, two cents on that. Why why
didn't you just get rid of it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Why did she keep.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Continuing to do this and live there and live there?

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Yeah, but once again that you're talking about the rich
of the day. They didn't have to stay in one
place every night. They could have stayed wherever they wanted
every night.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
You know, that's true. That's true, and I think about
I think about that. But why would you do that?
I mean, if you were so upset about it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
And it took that much out of you, I don't know, Danny,
some of the things.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
That you're saying, you have said.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Are kind of ringing true with this, because honestly, if
you're having major issues with the house, what's the first
thing you're going to do? I mean, every other shory
that we've done about families living in a haunted house, Yeah,
what's usually the first thing that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
They get them.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
Yeah, unless they're trying to intentionally make them haunted. That
makes me wonder. I wonder if Michael khalisha Cofts house
is haunted. You ever wonder that he's a guy who
invented He's the guy who invented the AK forty seven.
If anyone's got a If anyone's got a body count

(01:22:41):
for his invention, it's that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
And what about what about Remington? Yeah, I mean we
got to think about that too. I mean, all these
inventors or gunsmiths who invented these fantastic items or just
some call them items, there's got there's there's something, there's something.

(01:23:10):
You got to think about it. What about the people
who invented black powder? Would you think that they would
be haunted?

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Well, yeah, I mean not just them, but black powder.
You think that's from Chinese. So I mean, but if
you think about like dynamite and the people that were.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
No, that's not true. Actually, Korean's invented it. The Chinese
stole it from us and took all the credit. Okay,
all right, Okay, that's the story I'm selling.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Okay, we'll go with that. I love with that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
But I mean, I mean, I think there's more to
the story. What Donnie is saying that she may have
elaborated a little too much or stretched the story or
created this thing, because if she was speaking to a
psychic medium, that means she was already in to that

(01:24:05):
the supernatural anyway, she was already she was already involved
in it, you know what I mean always, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
And we don't know if that medium went out with her.
She probably found another one when she got out of California.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Oh, she probably found a whole lot of things. Yeah,
probably a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
So yeah, I'm kind of leaning that way now that
you know we're hearing the the all the stuff. I mean,
we can always say, oh, she was just a crazy lady.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Was she.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Was?

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
She exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Because you know, by the time, you know, the earthquake happened,
and she died in nineteen twenty two, while she was
well into her elder years, and so she didn't have
a time for that. But she made sure to pass
that down to a family member. If this place was crazy,

(01:25:03):
haunted and plagued you, why would you put it on
your niece. I would have just gave the house to
charity and said sell it for whatever you can get
for it, you know, or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
I would not give it to a family member.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
No. Well, now, whether the niece lived there with her
or lived with her to start with, maybe the niece
knew what she was planning and what to do with it.
Maybe she was I think.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
It's the same niece that actually worked for her as
like her personal's assistant.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
That's what I thought.

Speaker 5 (01:25:36):
She would have been there every day that Sarah was there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Right, But that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Why would you give it to your niece if you
were experiencing mhm, this terror?

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Why I would not think she might She might have
been the only one experience.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Well, either that or like I said, it's it's something
an elaborate story made from something very small and made
into something very big. And the niece was already in
on it because she already knew that after her aunt
passed away, this stuff is going to be worth.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
A god awful amount.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
First line is because you're talking about the crazy lady,
the crazy lady that lives in the Winchester mansion, you know,
I mean, she had to make a lot of money. Yeah,
But like I said, it was bought by the Brown family,
and they knew what they were doing by buying it.

(01:26:44):
They knew, but they never lived in it. Yeah, Well,
some people did. Some people did. I'm gonna I'm gonna
take that back. Some people did.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
They said that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Some people even lifted it up into the eighties in
the nineties, but nobody's lived in there since like the
early nineties, So I mean some people.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Did, but I could once again start being picked up
on these on these little documentaries and such. It became
a tourist attraction. So they're making they're making enough money
off of everything now that they don't have to worry
about living in it. They don't have to worry about
up keep on it no more. I mean this was
if this was the case and they were thinking this way,

(01:27:28):
that is the most forced forward thinking I've ever heard
of anybody doing what as far as construction goes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Right well, And I like I said, they're on they're
listed on a historical registry, and whoever personally owns that,
they have to keep that up. They can't let it fall,
you know, into disrepair. They have to keep it, you know,
to keep grant to get grants for it exactly. So
I mean they have I don't know. I mean, everybody

(01:27:57):
can make up their mind. I mean, was this lady
really crazy or was she just crazy smart.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
To say it really is honestly without knowing her and
without you know, physically knowing what she was thinking or whatever.
I mean, we're just guessing to start with. Yeah, do
we believe everything was written did she ever write anything
in her own hand as to what was going on? No,
I can't find anything.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
No, I mean a lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
A lot of it was like like newspaper sensationalism. Yeah,
because a lot of it was the newspapers, because.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Because that's what I mean, took a little, easy bitty
incident and then just blew the whole story up and
made it into something that I mean, let's face it,
we got to think about the nineteen twenties, Okay, we've
got to think about the nineteen tens and nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Any little story they were just there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
There was no cap on telling the truth. There wasn't
you know, people on social media coming after if you
told the wrong story, blah blah blah. There was none
of that. Whatever they said in the newspaper, that's what
people believed, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Because there was supposed to be integrity at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Too, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
So if they kind of, you know, like I said,
enhance the story a little bit or a lot, that's
what they ended up with. So maybe it wasn't as
haunted as she was saying. She just I don't know,
just a crazy smart person knowing what this would turn
into or maybe not at first, but then began to know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
After all the years of building.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
Or maybe she was a lady with too much money
and too much time on her hands, was really bad
at construction planning, or just really bored.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
You know what. I got to spend this money somehow.
You can't take it with you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
You know, like you said, with the newspapers, any publicis
city is good publicity.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
If you read like some newspaper articles from back then,
in like the late nineteenth century, I mean, my god,
you think the media today is bad. I mean they
would sensationalize things like there was no journalistic integrity back then.
You know, it's you got to you gotta read some
of these stories and look at some of these accounts,

(01:30:21):
like the news. The type of stuff the newspapers came
out with back in the eighteen hundreds was just yes.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Yes, yes, you know, and that just leads me on
to different stories that we don't have time to go
into now, because oh yeah, it's time to go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
It's been an hour and it's already been an hour
and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
And I realized we didn't, you know, we talked all
over the crazy world about this house.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
But like I said, we don't know what to think
about it. No, not one bit, no nobody.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
We can all agree we would like to check it out, right,
we all want to go to go want to visit
just to check out that architecture.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Yeah, we want to go.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
Amanda's Crazy Life, said Donny Ice up to your channel. Well, Amanda,
I would like to apologize for all the uh all
the film.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Yes, he needs he needs to apologize. Now.

Speaker 5 (01:31:11):
I am apologize in advance for all the i Q
points you're about to lose.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Well, it takes a really strong person to stump to
Donnie Cho.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Yeah, I had to fly into San Jose when I
bought a Classic GENC motor home one time and I
had to pick it up and uh flying to San
Jose and we went to uh not the I came
over with U S. Santa something or other down there.

(01:31:41):
But anyway, I was right there and I didn't even
realize we were that close to it. I was like, well,
we went to Fisherman's Wharf out it out of uh
out on the beach there. We went to that and
then we came back. I was like, you know what
I should think about it now? I was like, I
was stupid. I didn't go to the Winchester House while
I was there, Right, what I'm thinking about it? I

(01:32:02):
had two three year old four year old kids with me, going, yeah,
I ain't taking them into that place.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
You take a nuts, it's on a Disney World.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Well anyway, everyone, all right, let's let's get out of here.
Make sure you bronz and booze Tomorrow night at eight
pm Central. We have Janice no Little Nolan coming on
and she's from Relic Films with Grey Gogels, a very
delightful lady. We're going to be talking cryptids and paranormal
and whatever we can get into tomorrow night, so make

(01:32:32):
sure you tune into that. Right Donnie, what you got
going on Friday or Saturday?

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Saturday?

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
Uh, Saturday, I'm either going to be talking about politics
or wrestling or K pop. I haven't decided yet.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Combine all three, Just combine all three. See where you
go with that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
And then Randy, what do we got on truth or
Tinfoil this Sunday?

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Sure yet? Because I may be going fishing Saturday night.
That means I may not be back in town in
time for it on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
But fishing, I am not all right, he's gonna be Yeah,
he's gonna be fishing.

Speaker 5 (01:33:19):
You know what, You only need to hold the ride
with one arm. The other arm is free.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Trust me. There's a Hankil there's a King of the
Hill revival coming up, and I am already psyched about it.
All right, so let's.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Go, all right, Well, this Saturday night on into the Bizarre.
I believe it is going to be big Foot Michigan.
Rob and Monica Rawlins, Chris and I will be in uh,
Jefferson City, our capital, and we were at We're gonna
be at Missouri State Penitentiary.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
We're going to try to come on live at some.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Point throughout Rob show or you know, just doing some
lot whatever we can do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
So we're gonna try and get that on there. It's
gonna be a great time.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
Yeah. Wait a minute, Brandy, hold on, Jefferson Cities your capital.
I always thought it was Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
That means he might not have made it for truth
or didn't full either, so.

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
I didn't know that. I always thought it was Saint Louis.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
No, that's what everybody thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
And I'm like, no, oh, man, no, why do you
think that. Yeah, John red Corn, John ray Horn, that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
Was too soon, too soon? Oh well yeah anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
But anyway, good night everybody. We'll see you next week. Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Later,