May 15, 2025 • 33 mins
In this inspiring episode of the PASSIONEER Magazine The Podcast, we sit down with Debbie Zita—founder, soul-led entrepreneur, and unapologetic advocate for women rising in authenticity and purpose.
From overcoming personal adversity to building a life that aligns with her divine calling, Debbie shares how she turned vision into impact. You’ll hear her insights on navigating the tension between ambition and surrender, the power of storytelling, and how joy becomes an act of resistance in a world that often tells women to shrink.
Whether you're a founder, creative, or purpose-driven professional, this episode offers heartfelt wisdom and bold reminders to take up space, lead with truth, and thrive on your own terms.
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From overcoming personal adversity to building a life that aligns with her divine calling, Debbie shares how she turned vision into impact. You’ll hear her insights on navigating the tension between ambition and surrender, the power of storytelling, and how joy becomes an act of resistance in a world that often tells women to shrink.
Whether you're a founder, creative, or purpose-driven professional, this episode offers heartfelt wisdom and bold reminders to take up space, lead with truth, and thrive on your own terms.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to Passioneer Magazine. The podcast well You're here, inspirational stories,
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Thank you so much for joining me today, Debbie,
and welcome to a Passioneer Magazine the.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Podcast Thank you so much for having me. You're gorgeously and.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So are you, and you know, shout out to the
curly girls. You know. I love it, love it, love it.
It is so freeing when I think as women we
allow ourselves to be ourselves. We are such women, that is,
we are just such beautiful beings and it is nice
to have it's the beautiful women on today. Thank you
(01:09):
so much of that. I appreciate the compliment. Now, with
all that you do, I cannot wait to have this
conversation with you, but I realize that there may be
some viewers or even some listeners that are unfamiliar with
you and what you do. So first question for you
is tell us just a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Thank you so much. So.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I run the heart centered way, and the heart centered
way is dedicating to dedicated to supporting women in life, business,
and career.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
We do that in three ways.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
The first way is through self care, and that specifically
is through heart based meditation, which I've got a whole
story about that. We could do perhaps a different podcast
around that. The second way is through self inquiry, which
if you've got the visual, is through the Six Selves,
which is just behind me. That again we can share
more through today's session perhaps, And the third way is
through strategy, because we need twenty percent is strategy, eighty
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percent is the internal. So we do need to be
able to have whether it's you know, in business, we
need to be able to have the marketing plan, we
need to be able to have the right team around us.
In life, it's being able to manage our time, being
able to manage our energy, our intuition. So strategy does
form part of that. But my favorite is the heart
based meditation and self inquiry.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I love that and absolutely I can't wait to talk
to you more about that. Now. As a woman entrepreneur,
there are so many options that you could have taken,
so many routes, so many paths. Why did you feel
that this particular path was correct, proper and true for you.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I honestly believe that this path choose me.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I was interested in human behavior from a very young age.
I was interested in something esoteric and mystical from a
very young age. And when I say very young age,
I'm talking in the age of three. So through my
own kind of self inquiry and meditation and prayer, I
was unwrapping You know, where did this all come from?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
For me?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
What was the first memory of connecting to Source, to God,
to Creator? And it was actually in kindergarten. We call
it kindergarten in Australia, I think it might be called
something maybe it's also KINDI in the US. Yeah, And
I just remember having a moment of this sounds very strange,
so bear with me, but recognizing that I wasn't my body,
recognizing that there was like something else, and I could
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see the kids playing and washing their hands or playing
in the sand pit, and I had this moment and
it sounds also very strange, but I was quite angry
because I had this memory of being back again, almost
like a reincarnation experience. So I thought, oh, okay, so
we're all doing this together, we all remember this experience.
This is me age three right, And then as you develop,
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you realize, oh gosh, well I realized, oh gosh, people
don't remember, so shut down, shut down, shut down, shut down.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So then I went to try and you know, understand myself,
and then did that through psychology, through social work, through meditation,
through lots of different avenues, and I went through what
I would call a dark decade of the soul, which
was just a lot of things happening. This is pre
pandemic actually, and it felt very unfair. I'm also very
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mindful that my life's also been extremely blessed. I've never
been homeless, I've never had to go without food. But
there was emotional psychological challenges in the form of relationships
around me. There was a lot of loss and grief,
a lot of shock and trauma, and it just kept
sort of just being thrown my way. And so after
ten years of that, I just went into deep prayer,
(04:36):
not just but I went into deep prayer and said, look,
I feel I'm trying so hard. I know I have
a good heart, I know I'm here to do something
really beautiful. Please please work with me, help me to
take all of this loss and trauma and grief and
learning that I've learned at university and more so in
my life experience, and please help me to serve others.
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And that was really how all of this came to be.
So it was never, honestly, it was never a business,
although I am very much an entrepreneur, but this was
very much just me speaking from my heart and soul
to true sauce to God, asking place, how can I
be of service? And I've been doing this now for
over five years and it is absolutely, without a doubt,
my life's mission.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And my purpose, and it just evolves every year.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And I love your story. I love how you allowed
your moment of not only wanting to know more, to
fully express yourself, but to be free within your being
right now and to share that with others. And I
find that many times people have an experience, and because
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they are unsure of what just happened to them, or
they're afraid that people are going to think that they're
weird or odd or crazy, they don't share that experience.
But I think that more people are truly having a
I'll call it a spiritual enlightenment about who they are
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and what they are and how they are supposed to
interact with others, and that when we find someone who
understands that, that we should share and we should say, oh,
my goodness, we are more than just I like to
say these earth suits that we walk around in, that
we really and truly should learn to connect with each
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other on that heart level. So I could not wait
to talk to you about that. So thank you so
much for giving that answer. Now for me, I consider
this conversation to be just another line item sub chapter
of women's empowerment that we are starting to kind of
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spread our wings a little bit, if you will, finding
out that we have sisters across the globe. What does
women's empowerment mean for you in the work that you do.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Oh, it's such a good question, and I've been pondering
this all morning. I have to say, I think it's
so unique to each woman, and I think it's really
about knowing yourself, owning all of those parts of you,
the ones that you love, the ones that you're ashamed
of and hide behind the shadows, all of those parts
of yourself.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And then expressing that in your life.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And that might be through family, that might be through
your business, that might be through your community voluntary work,
It might be through you know, growing charities and growing
your own empire worth multi millions and billions of dollars.
It might be anything, but I think it's when you
know yourself and you can actually map back that that
which you're doing as an expression of yourself out there
in the world or in the three D world, is
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really matching. You know, your heart, your soul, your essence,
your being. And I use a lot of words because
I want to make sure that listeners and anyone watching
the visual is using the word that works for you,
because we all have such different maps of the world.
For me specifically, it is literally this, so you can
see again if you've got the visuals, that got one
and behind me, which is the heart centered away and
that's got our values there as well, which is kindness, compassion, strength,
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and resilience. And then you've got the other one, which
is the sick self. So this is me in my
little kind of world, living my own women's empowerment. And
then yes, I'm really good at and I've cultivated so
many years of helping others to find what that actually
is for them.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And this is deep stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know, this is not just oh I think it's
you know, my purpose is this or it feels like joy?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Is this?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's really but what does that mean for you? How
does that show up and look and smell and touch
and feel and taste and who are you there with,
who's around you? And how can we keep going in that?
You know, often we'll go to a workshop or we'll
do something where we have a vision and we have
a download and then it kind of stays there. But
we also have to be able to bring that down
into something practical, be able to put that into our calendar,
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and be able to know book in and plan for
the podcast and call those people and edit it and
have the team to help us or you know, whatever
it else it looks like. And we just keep refining
and we keep going every where, every day, every year.
And the idea, and this is what my ethos is
is to play bigger, play beautiful. So playing bigger meaning
you know, the next level of success because you know,
I'm an entrepreneur, so yeah, I want to be able
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to keep growing. And also I love personal development.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I want to grow.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I want to be you know, more beautiful, more as
and when I say beautiful, and I'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
In the moment, it's actually the inner beauty.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
So yes, you're beautiful and you're gorgeous, but it's also
you know, I just met you, but it's it's the
energy that I can feel and I sense from you,
and that comes through you know, whether it's our hair,
our eyes, our skin, and whether that's you know, a
female or a male. But that's what I'm referring to,
is that the beauty within ourselves.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Now with the people that you help. And I definitely
want to give you an opportunity to talk about the
six pillars that you've referenced, but I want to give,
of course, the disclaimer, and everyone knows that I'm going
to say, if you want to know the all of it,
you have to book your own personal session, you have
(09:59):
to do the coach.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
We're not going to give it.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
All away here on the program. With that being said,
what are some of the obstacles or difficulties that you
find really seem to rank the highest with the women
that you assist with your coaching, with your books, with
the all that you do.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Very good question.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So it really comes down to those three areas that
I mentioned before, the life, business, and career. If we're
looking at life, often I will work with women who
feel like things are actually quite lovely on the outside.
You know, they might have the beautiful family, career is okay,
money's in the bank, but perhaps for whatever reason, they
haven't really connected to their heart or their spirit in
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this lifetime yet.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And so often they will meet me, whether it's through
networking or through a podcast or a summit or something,
and they'll just say, I don't even really understand any
of what you're talking about, but I just need to
speak to speak with you, right, So then I will
work with them to actually help them to open their heart,
to help them to connect to that really deep, beautiful place.
And I want to also say when I say heart,
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I spent twelve years I started in twenty twelve understanding
what this actually meant. And this was a really amazingly
profound journey for me of thousands of hours of retreats
and workshops and regressions and energy work to really understand
the core of who we are beyond form. So it's
this beautiful experience of connecting to this place before time
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even began, where it was really just this love and
light and this beautiful space of us connecting as hearts
as beings in that way and then that journey took
me a while to really go. But also I am
a physical body and I need to also pay my
bills and eat and other things. Because it was so
profound that it kind.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Of like knocked me out of everything that I had
to find my way back. So I'm very much around
that middle ground. So hence we've got life business and
career business. I noticed so many beautiful, talented, amazing women
running these often wellness and creative businesses. But it can
be in other industries as well. But just if you
sit with them, they're not making any money. They'll never
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say that because it's so embarrassing to say it, but
because I'm pretty honest and I share about my journey
and times when I haven't and you know, I won't
lie even now. Money is not the most important thing
for me. But you know, I'm based in Melbourne, Australia
in cost of livings on the rise. I'm a mum,
you know, I'm middle aged myself.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I do need a level of income and.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
So I've had to learn how to be able to
do that and I'm learning every year how I can
do that better. And I'm really proud of what I've
managed to create because I have created something that is
sustainable and speaks to my heart, does earn money, and
doesn't burn me out. You know, I was joking with
you and I didn't yet have my coffee, And there
were times, you know, in my life where because I
was pushing so hard and working with so much masculine energy,
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that I would just be exhausted. But the fact that
I can actually wake up and not have my coffee
yet and run the podcast and do a full day
of work is amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
So our businesses have to earn money. They absolutely have to.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
So whether that's through someone like me or a traditional
business coach, you have to know how you can sell
yourself and sell your services in exchange for actually receiving
the money in your bank account, not just I think
I want you affirmation or I'm going to no, no,
my love, It's actually in your bank account, right, so
you can pay for the coffee and you can actually
do things and go on holidays and everything else. The
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next one is Korea, which kind of was an accident,
but I was drawing women in who were like, look,
do you know what, I'm just like, I'm happy, but
I'm not happy and like you seem to be happy
and authentic and I want to speak with you. So
what I do is I also help women who are
at a crossroads and they're looking at you know, what
can I do differently that connects me back more so
to myself. And I've helped women to be able to
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create manifest drawing their dream job, you know, or drawing
a job that perhaps they've already got, but they've increased
their pay so that they're receiving what is rightfully theirs
as well. So yeah, life business and Korea, and it
has to have that blend of energetics and also practical
elements so that we've got again the profits and the
money is actually happening in there.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I find that so many times you are you are
right with the I'm doing what I love, but I'm
not generating any income. And that's all fine and dandy
if you if you have a support team that's able
to help you get through. But I'm finding that some
of my clients, they are the sole provider. It is
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just them. Be it that they are single, like not
yet married and don't have children, or perhaps they are
now newly found at single for whatever reason, and they
are the breadwinners, and it's I love what I do,
but I am so stressed because if I don't sell
a package, if I don't sell a program, if I
don't do something, I am going to be in in
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the over my head category. And you are you are
so right. I'm finding that people are looking for those
that can help them get unstuck from that position and
continue to move along the path that they wish to
but also generate that income at the same time. It
would be great if we all could just live off love,
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but that doesn't. But that doesn't work. I genuinely tried,
I really did. I really believed I could.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I don't need food, but yeah, my own personal research
has shown me no, act I actually do.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So we need both to It's so true, so true.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh the world would be a better place if the
other way around. But so great now when it comes
to that mentorship that you are giving me, especially because
I know that you do events where young adults and
girls are able to attend as well, and you're giving
that mentorship a type of conversation at those events, but
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you're also building community. You are allowing women to not
only learn through your program, but also have a place
where they feel safe, where they are able to continue
to grow and learn even once they have gone through
your program. Why is it important for women in particular,
but within the space that you're creating. Why is mentorship
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and community so important today?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Beautiful question.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
So predominantly the women I tend to work with are
usually over forty. But what I do love and where
I've come and learning more about this is, you know,
things like Instagram, TikTok. I haven't gone there yet, but
Instagram is really important to be able to attract the
younger crowd. And also for me when I'm just out
and about at a shopping center, walking around like I've
given books away. You know, I've got an example. There's
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a young woman. And I've also learned never to assume,
because I know sometimes I'll be talking with someone and
they're like, I'm forty five, and I'm like, I'm so
sorry you're older than me, but I thought you were
like seventeen.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
But there was a young woman.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
She was in her twenties, and she was at a
local coffee shop and she was obviously she was obviously
struggling with life.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Every time I.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Would go in there, you just I could just I
could feel it, and so I went down one day
with a copy of one of my first book, Ignite
Your Joy. And I know it wasn't just the book.
I'm sure it was other things happening in her life
as well. But now when I see her, there's just
such this beautiful connection.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
There's a smile on her face.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And so for me, it's the every day you know,
it's and I still have learning with this as well,
but it's letting people in the traffic because you know,
people are angry on the road.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I don't know how it is where you live, but
it's so much anger on the road.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And so, like I offer it, will find myself meditating
and praying on the road go and please God just
keep us all safe.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So for me, it literally is it's not just the
programs or online. It's this is who I am every day.
And I'll be honest some days I call them up
my poop po days where I'm you know, I'm cranky,
i haven't slept properly, or I get triggered by my
family or something from the past has happened. And I'm
really good at recognizing, Okay, my window of tolerance is narrow,
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So just you know, go gently, do an extra prayer,
do an extra meditation, or do you know what, have
a nap, Go and have a napp, turn everything off
and then come back in and you'll have this refreshed perspective.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Everything will be different.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So I know, maybe it sounds silly, it's not a
formal kind of mentorship, but for me, it's just in
the beingness of who I am.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Community very important.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I've cultivated a really beautiful community online and also face
to face. Not a huge one, but over the last
few years, there's over one hundred of us that have
been sort of interacting since COVID happened, and it's really
special to be able to have that place where we
all feel included and we can also feel like we
can just be who we are, and if we feel
a bit crap, we can say that and we can
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show up in all our glory, and we can show
up online in our jams if we want to know.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I've been running a.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Class or a session every Monday, literally quite literally every week,
pretty much every week except for Christmas, called Monday Meditation
and Prioritization, and that started quite by accident because I
noticed my own mental health was declining during the pandemic
and in our lockdowns, and I knew the benefits of
guiding others through meditation because I just love guiding. So
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I would just show up online and then people would say,
and I'll see you next week, right, and I'll see
you the week after.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, you will.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
And then I realized, oh my goodness, this is actually
there's something here. So we've been going literally, as I say,
every week for the last five or so years now,
so that's an amazing community there. And again we just
rock up, We meditate and come in full makeup if
you want to. And I always, you know, have I'm
always sort of got my curls and something done because
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I feel nice and confident when I do that. But
come and your jamis, come with your cat, come with
your baby, cum whatever it is, and start the week
setting your intention, opening your heart, and then setting up
your priorities for the week, for the day, for the month.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
From that space.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, oh, that is so incredibly important. And I am
so glad that you also took the opportunity during that
lockdown period where you know, when we were the global pandemic,
to me was an opportunity for us to reassess, to realign,
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to come into a new place of harmony with what
we should have been doing. You know, the world could
hit the reset button. And once we get out of this,
what lessons did we learn? Are we able to move
forward with a more positive projectory. I think that some
people took that time to do very similar to what
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you did, and that was, let's create a space where
we can come together, where we can have this community,
this camaraderie, where we can learn from each other, that
we can pour into each other and have that collective
warm feeling of you are important, you are valued, and
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you are seen. And I find that those who started,
especially during that time period, they are still going strong there.
Nothing is lacking because I think it was a genuine place.
You know, it wasn't just how can I make a
buck real quick because I'm not able to go to work.
I think those things had their had their duration, but
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not all of those types of communities are still in
place because they didn't have the the intention of the longevity.
It was kind of like a get quick, you know,
kind of kind of thing. So I'm so glad that
that is still going going strong. What that. That says
a lot about the women that are that are in
that group. Now I want to ask you about in
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that same vein of community and mentorship, we are finding
that women's empowerment in some places, it's a positive thing.
Uh here within the United States. It depends on who
you ask, where they are, and it might be, oh,
we're so glad that the women are speaking out so much.
(22:02):
You giving the little resistance. You're not in the States.
So from your perspective, how is women's empowerment? Asterisk? We
still love our fellows, you know, our guys are still
awesome and amazing. I'm a boy mom. We love you guys.
Don't worry. But how is women's empowerment? How was that movement?
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How is that new mindset taking a hold in your country?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I think that it's it's definitely here. We can I
can feel it. It's showing up in sports. There's you know,
women's soccer groups and different teams and things happening. There's
definitely you know, there's there's women hosting news events, and
there's women just everywhere, and also different racial backgrounds and
cultural backgrounds as well.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So that's a huge part of everything moving here. In
that way. For me.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Also, this is, you know, just what I've noticed, and
I think particularly with my son in high school, but
this the identity conversation around the gender identity, and I
think there's going to be an interesting movement where, you know,
those who identify as them, they who are not what
we call sis women. I think that's an interesting conversation
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around women's empowerment and how that fits in, you know,
when we start to move into a space of inclusion,
which I'm all for of course, but then also honoring
and validating those that you know, were born with a
certain way and had a cultural upbringing a certain way
versus those that came to it through their own sort
of self inquiry I imagine. So I'm curious to see
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and there's no answer for this, but I'm curious to
see where we go sort of ten twenty years from now.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
An interesting point.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I was speaking to a colleague of mine and they
were sharing that they were at a job and a
new person had come through and they were speaking to
them about, you know, how are you and tell us
about your kids and your family. It was that, you know,
rapport building, get to know you type of conversation. The
woman said to her, you know, have you got a
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boy or a girl? You know, it was an innocent question,
and the woman's reply was, I'm deeply offended by that
I have they, And I just thought that that actually
makes me a bit sad because the person was asking
you genuinely, you know, to build that connection in a
new environment. And then I also can understand, you know,
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if you're coming from a place where you're having to
defend your children all the time. Perhaps I'm guessing, I
don't know, then you're already on the defense, you know.
So I think what I want to share with that,
and this is any advice I give, a guidance I
offer is also for myself as my heart grows and
opens and I become a more beautiful human on the
inside as well, you know. But it's the tolerance has
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to be both ways, you know, where we understand that
everyone does come from the map of their own world,
and some people are not as understanding of them they
because perhaps in their map of the world it is
still she he, you know, that's not how are so
perhaps just being you know, compassionate and kind and educating
and offering that information, you know, before we kind of
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step into being defended, which I know is not easy,
simple but not easy. But I just felt it was
a really important thing to raise here.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Absolutely, and I find that the same So for the
person who's having a hard time understanding that conversation, not
that I'm trying to change the subject, but to make
it a little broader because someone's going what we have
the same type of tolerance intolerance confusion during the holiday season.
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So as someone who happens to be a practicing Christian,
when it is after Thanksgiving, and I literally say that,
so that is the fourth Thursday of the month in November,
when it's after Thanksgiving, it is officially Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You see people at the grocery store when you're out
and about, and everyone says Merry Christmas. Well, many people,
to be respectful, they say, well, happy Holidays, because they're
trying to be all inclusive. Some people may say none
of that is true for me, because that's not happy
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Honikah happy right, just depending on where you are. But
as someone who understands that if someone were to say
happy Holidays to me, they are trying to come from
that place of I'm trying to give you some of
the love in my heart so that you have a
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really good day and your rate. I think sometimes we
forget that for people that are walking a new path
or they are living with a cause in their heart,
that sometimes they do come from a place of all
of that heaviness, and that they don't mean to come
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off with all of that, and that we should equally
be as understanding. And you are. You are so right.
I don't think anyone intends to discount your holiday by
saying Merry Christmas or slight your Christmas by saying happy Holidays.
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And we should include that when it comes to all
aspects of equality and diversity, be it gender, or race
or ethnicity. I like to believe that we are all
children of God. We've just been placed in different bodies
in different locations, and if we love everyone first, then
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the rest will work itself out. So agree, beautiful, beautiful
way to explain what you do and to help people
understand that what you do is definitely needed in the world.
I love it. I love it. Thank you for that, Debbie. Now,
one other thing that you do is you have been
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an author, and not just do you write books, but
you are a best selling author. Love it, Love it.
Love it. Please tell us about your newest book. What
is that about, What was the inspiration behind it?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
So I've actually I've got a copy here.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
It's The Transformation Within, So it's words of wisdom from
a collection of coaches to help you win it the
game of life.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And it's an Amazon bestseller. I've written a chapter in
this one, and it is. Look, it's a really beautiful read.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
There's a lot of chapters here that are filled with
gorgeous knowledge and wisdom. Mine goes through a little bit
around the framework of the Six Selves, which I'm happy
to also share sort of briefly if we've got time
as well, So please feel free to have a look
at that one. I do have two others out two
and I think at the moment I've really been drawn
to the one that came out first, which came out
in twenty fourteen, Ignite Your Joy, and that was never
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intended on actually really being published, more of an honoring
of my mum who passed away when I was pregnant
and I was coming to understand my gifts of being
able to connect with spirit and being able to understand energy,
and it was a really scary, overwhelming time. I had
no support of the understanding that some of us can
really connect to spirit and help them to sort of
move on.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
In their journey.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And yeah, I wrote that as a way of finding
my joy, and joy was actually an acronym for journey
of you. And then I got to the end of
it and I thought, well, it's an actual book.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You should publish it. So now it's on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It has been for a long time, and that's often
been the book that people find me from or refer
back to, even after ten years later and looking at
the journey how it's taken me through where I've come
from on my own journey, that book was so significant
in terms of helping me to understand myself, to find
my true self, and to be able to express that
in the world, and then figure out how I can
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monetize that in the most beautiful, genuine, heart centered way,
and then also teach and guide others on that same
journey as well.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
We find that through a conversation that we are more alike,
as doctor Maya Angelou would say, we are more alike,
my friend, than we are un alike. And I find
that when we sit down, we kind of calm ourselves
over coffee over tea over you know, just a nice
(30:23):
cool water. You know, when we talk to each other,
we find that, hey, you're a human, I'm a human,
and we're trying to human as best we can during
this lifetime, and especially if you have had any type
of love, any particular loved one pass away and you're
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trying to heal through that. My dad has passed away,
my mother remarried, my stepfather has passed away. And let
me tell you, I could not have had two better
dads in my life life. I am so blessed to
have had them. And because of that, I understand many
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times when folks say my parent has passed away and
I miss them so and it's like, yeah, I miss
my dad, I miss my grandmother because they poured into
your life so much, right, and what a way to
honor them by sharing your story of this is what
I was feeling, and this is how I got through it.
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Life and death. It happens to all of us. So
why not have that conversation and help each other get
to get to that better place. I'm so glad that
you share that part of your life with the readers
and help them help them get through it. But also
not staying stuck there right and being able to write
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all of the other books as well, and to help
us transform and understand that life is about phases and
stages and how can we be our best self any
given moment. You're doing absolutely good work there.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Great.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Thank you so much, so welcome. Now. I know that
I have limited time with you, and thank you again
for spending some time with me here today. But before
I'll let you go, if someone wants to reach out
to you, what is the best way to do that,
and if they want to follow you on socials as well?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, I think probably these days Instagram, so it's deb Underscore,
Zita and Zeta is z I a jump on there.
I've got some videos on there and you can always
direct message me as well. I'm also happy to give
anyone a free access to Monday meditation and prioritization. If
they feel called to try that, just let me know
either through Insta or you can find me on the
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website as well, which is The Heart Centered Way dot
com and also Debbiezita dot com.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I love it. Thank you again for being a guest
on Passion, your magazine, the podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Thank you so much,
Welcome to Passioneer Magazine. The podcast well You're here, inspirational stories,
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Boundless Inspiration.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Thank you so much for joining me today, Debbie,
and welcome to a Passioneer Magazine the.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Podcast Thank you so much for having me. You're gorgeously and.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So are you, and you know, shout out to the
curly girls. You know. I love it, love it, love it.
It is so freeing when I think as women we
allow ourselves to be ourselves. We are such women, that is,
we are just such beautiful beings and it is nice
to have it's the beautiful women on today. Thank you
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so much of that. I appreciate the compliment. Now, with
all that you do, I cannot wait to have this
conversation with you, but I realize that there may be
some viewers or even some listeners that are unfamiliar with
you and what you do. So first question for you
is tell us just a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Thank you so much. So.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I run the heart centered way, and the heart centered
way is dedicating to dedicated to supporting women in life, business,
and career.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
We do that in three ways.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
The first way is through self care, and that specifically
is through heart based meditation, which I've got a whole
story about that. We could do perhaps a different podcast
around that. The second way is through self inquiry, which
if you've got the visual, is through the Six Selves,
which is just behind me. That again we can share
more through today's session perhaps, And the third way is
through strategy, because we need twenty percent is strategy, eighty
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percent is the internal. So we do need to be
able to have whether it's you know, in business, we
need to be able to have the marketing plan, we
need to be able to have the right team around us.
In life, it's being able to manage our time, being
able to manage our energy, our intuition. So strategy does
form part of that. But my favorite is the heart
based meditation and self inquiry.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I love that and absolutely I can't wait to talk
to you more about that. Now. As a woman entrepreneur,
there are so many options that you could have taken,
so many routes, so many paths. Why did you feel
that this particular path was correct, proper and true for you.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I honestly believe that this path choose me.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I was interested in human behavior from a very young age.
I was interested in something esoteric and mystical from a
very young age. And when I say very young age,
I'm talking in the age of three. So through my
own kind of self inquiry and meditation and prayer, I
was unwrapping You know, where did this all come from?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
For me?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
What was the first memory of connecting to Source, to God,
to Creator? And it was actually in kindergarten. We call
it kindergarten in Australia, I think it might be called
something maybe it's also KINDI in the US. Yeah, And
I just remember having a moment of this sounds very strange,
so bear with me, but recognizing that I wasn't my body,
recognizing that there was like something else, and I could
(03:28):
see the kids playing and washing their hands or playing
in the sand pit, and I had this moment and
it sounds also very strange, but I was quite angry
because I had this memory of being back again, almost
like a reincarnation experience. So I thought, oh, okay, so
we're all doing this together, we all remember this experience.
This is me age three right, And then as you develop,
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you realize, oh gosh, well I realized, oh gosh, people
don't remember, so shut down, shut down, shut down, shut down.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So then I went to try and you know, understand myself,
and then did that through psychology, through social work, through meditation,
through lots of different avenues, and I went through what
I would call a dark decade of the soul, which
was just a lot of things happening. This is pre
pandemic actually, and it felt very unfair. I'm also very
(04:15):
mindful that my life's also been extremely blessed. I've never
been homeless, I've never had to go without food. But
there was emotional psychological challenges in the form of relationships
around me. There was a lot of loss and grief,
a lot of shock and trauma, and it just kept
sort of just being thrown my way. And so after
ten years of that, I just went into deep prayer,
(04:36):
not just but I went into deep prayer and said, look,
I feel I'm trying so hard. I know I have
a good heart, I know I'm here to do something
really beautiful. Please please work with me, help me to
take all of this loss and trauma and grief and
learning that I've learned at university and more so in
my life experience, and please help me to serve others.
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And that was really how all of this came to be.
So it was never, honestly, it was never a business,
although I am very much an entrepreneur, but this was
very much just me speaking from my heart and soul
to true sauce to God, asking place, how can I
be of service? And I've been doing this now for
over five years and it is absolutely, without a doubt,
my life's mission.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And my purpose, and it just evolves every year.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And I love your story. I love how you allowed
your moment of not only wanting to know more, to
fully express yourself, but to be free within your being
right now and to share that with others. And I
find that many times people have an experience, and because
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they are unsure of what just happened to them, or
they're afraid that people are going to think that they're
weird or odd or crazy, they don't share that experience.
But I think that more people are truly having a
I'll call it a spiritual enlightenment about who they are
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and what they are and how they are supposed to
interact with others, and that when we find someone who
understands that, that we should share and we should say, oh,
my goodness, we are more than just I like to
say these earth suits that we walk around in, that
we really and truly should learn to connect with each
(06:26):
other on that heart level. So I could not wait
to talk to you about that. So thank you so
much for giving that answer. Now for me, I consider
this conversation to be just another line item sub chapter
of women's empowerment that we are starting to kind of
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spread our wings a little bit, if you will, finding
out that we have sisters across the globe. What does
women's empowerment mean for you in the work that you do.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Oh, it's such a good question, and I've been pondering
this all morning. I have to say, I think it's
so unique to each woman, and I think it's really
about knowing yourself, owning all of those parts of you,
the ones that you love, the ones that you're ashamed
of and hide behind the shadows, all of those parts
of yourself.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And then expressing that in your life.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And that might be through family, that might be through
your business, that might be through your community voluntary work,
It might be through you know, growing charities and growing
your own empire worth multi millions and billions of dollars.
It might be anything, but I think it's when you
know yourself and you can actually map back that that
which you're doing as an expression of yourself out there
in the world or in the three D world, is
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really matching. You know, your heart, your soul, your essence,
your being. And I use a lot of words because
I want to make sure that listeners and anyone watching
the visual is using the word that works for you,
because we all have such different maps of the world.
For me specifically, it is literally this, so you can
see again if you've got the visuals, that got one
and behind me, which is the heart centered away and
that's got our values there as well, which is kindness, compassion, strength,
(08:05):
and resilience. And then you've got the other one, which
is the sick self. So this is me in my
little kind of world, living my own women's empowerment. And
then yes, I'm really good at and I've cultivated so
many years of helping others to find what that actually
is for them.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And this is deep stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know, this is not just oh I think it's
you know, my purpose is this or it feels like joy?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Is this?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's really but what does that mean for you? How
does that show up and look and smell and touch
and feel and taste and who are you there with,
who's around you? And how can we keep going in that?
You know, often we'll go to a workshop or we'll
do something where we have a vision and we have
a download and then it kind of stays there. But
we also have to be able to bring that down
into something practical, be able to put that into our calendar,
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and be able to know book in and plan for
the podcast and call those people and edit it and
have the team to help us or you know, whatever
it else it looks like. And we just keep refining
and we keep going every where, every day, every year.
And the idea, and this is what my ethos is
is to play bigger, play beautiful. So playing bigger meaning
you know, the next level of success because you know,
I'm an entrepreneur, so yeah, I want to be able
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to keep growing. And also I love personal development.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I want to grow.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I want to be you know, more beautiful, more as
and when I say beautiful, and I'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
In the moment, it's actually the inner beauty.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
So yes, you're beautiful and you're gorgeous, but it's also
you know, I just met you, but it's it's the
energy that I can feel and I sense from you,
and that comes through you know, whether it's our hair,
our eyes, our skin, and whether that's you know, a
female or a male. But that's what I'm referring to,
is that the beauty within ourselves.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Now with the people that you help. And I definitely
want to give you an opportunity to talk about the
six pillars that you've referenced, but I want to give,
of course, the disclaimer, and everyone knows that I'm going
to say, if you want to know the all of it,
you have to book your own personal session, you have
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to do the coach.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
We're not going to give it.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
All away here on the program. With that being said,
what are some of the obstacles or difficulties that you
find really seem to rank the highest with the women
that you assist with your coaching, with your books, with
the all that you do.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Very good question.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So it really comes down to those three areas that
I mentioned before, the life, business, and career. If we're
looking at life, often I will work with women who
feel like things are actually quite lovely on the outside.
You know, they might have the beautiful family, career is okay,
money's in the bank, but perhaps for whatever reason, they
haven't really connected to their heart or their spirit in
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this lifetime yet.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And so often they will meet me, whether it's through
networking or through a podcast or a summit or something,
and they'll just say, I don't even really understand any
of what you're talking about, but I just need to
speak to speak with you, right, So then I will
work with them to actually help them to open their heart,
to help them to connect to that really deep, beautiful place.
And I want to also say when I say heart,
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I spent twelve years I started in twenty twelve understanding
what this actually meant. And this was a really amazingly
profound journey for me of thousands of hours of retreats
and workshops and regressions and energy work to really understand
the core of who we are beyond form. So it's
this beautiful experience of connecting to this place before time
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even began, where it was really just this love and
light and this beautiful space of us connecting as hearts
as beings in that way and then that journey took
me a while to really go. But also I am
a physical body and I need to also pay my
bills and eat and other things. Because it was so
profound that it kind.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Of like knocked me out of everything that I had
to find my way back. So I'm very much around
that middle ground. So hence we've got life business and
career business. I noticed so many beautiful, talented, amazing women
running these often wellness and creative businesses. But it can
be in other industries as well. But just if you
sit with them, they're not making any money. They'll never
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say that because it's so embarrassing to say it, but
because I'm pretty honest and I share about my journey
and times when I haven't and you know, I won't
lie even now. Money is not the most important thing
for me. But you know, I'm based in Melbourne, Australia
in cost of livings on the rise. I'm a mum,
you know, I'm middle aged myself.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I do need a level of income and.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
So I've had to learn how to be able to
do that and I'm learning every year how I can
do that better. And I'm really proud of what I've
managed to create because I have created something that is
sustainable and speaks to my heart, does earn money, and
doesn't burn me out. You know, I was joking with
you and I didn't yet have my coffee, And there
were times, you know, in my life where because I
was pushing so hard and working with so much masculine energy,
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that I would just be exhausted. But the fact that
I can actually wake up and not have my coffee
yet and run the podcast and do a full day
of work is amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
So our businesses have to earn money. They absolutely have to.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
So whether that's through someone like me or a traditional
business coach, you have to know how you can sell
yourself and sell your services in exchange for actually receiving
the money in your bank account, not just I think
I want you affirmation or I'm going to no, no,
my love, It's actually in your bank account, right, so
you can pay for the coffee and you can actually
do things and go on holidays and everything else. The
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next one is Korea, which kind of was an accident,
but I was drawing women in who were like, look,
do you know what, I'm just like, I'm happy, but
I'm not happy and like you seem to be happy
and authentic and I want to speak with you. So
what I do is I also help women who are
at a crossroads and they're looking at you know, what
can I do differently that connects me back more so
to myself. And I've helped women to be able to
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create manifest drawing their dream job, you know, or drawing
a job that perhaps they've already got, but they've increased
their pay so that they're receiving what is rightfully theirs
as well. So yeah, life business and Korea, and it
has to have that blend of energetics and also practical
elements so that we've got again the profits and the
money is actually happening in there.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I find that so many times you are you are
right with the I'm doing what I love, but I'm
not generating any income. And that's all fine and dandy
if you if you have a support team that's able
to help you get through. But I'm finding that some
of my clients, they are the sole provider. It is
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just them. Be it that they are single, like not
yet married and don't have children, or perhaps they are
now newly found at single for whatever reason, and they
are the breadwinners, and it's I love what I do,
but I am so stressed because if I don't sell
a package, if I don't sell a program, if I
don't do something, I am going to be in in
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the over my head category. And you are you are
so right. I'm finding that people are looking for those
that can help them get unstuck from that position and
continue to move along the path that they wish to
but also generate that income at the same time. It
would be great if we all could just live off love,
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but that doesn't. But that doesn't work. I genuinely tried,
I really did. I really believed I could.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I don't need food, but yeah, my own personal research
has shown me no, act I actually do.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So we need both to It's so true, so true.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh the world would be a better place if the
other way around. But so great now when it comes
to that mentorship that you are giving me, especially because
I know that you do events where young adults and
girls are able to attend as well, and you're giving
that mentorship a type of conversation at those events, but
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you're also building community. You are allowing women to not
only learn through your program, but also have a place
where they feel safe, where they are able to continue
to grow and learn even once they have gone through
your program. Why is it important for women in particular,
but within the space that you're creating. Why is mentorship
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and community so important today?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Beautiful question.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
So predominantly the women I tend to work with are
usually over forty. But what I do love and where
I've come and learning more about this is, you know,
things like Instagram, TikTok. I haven't gone there yet, but
Instagram is really important to be able to attract the
younger crowd. And also for me when I'm just out
and about at a shopping center, walking around like I've
given books away. You know, I've got an example. There's
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a young woman. And I've also learned never to assume,
because I know sometimes I'll be talking with someone and
they're like, I'm forty five, and I'm like, I'm so
sorry you're older than me, but I thought you were
like seventeen.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
But there was a young woman.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
She was in her twenties, and she was at a
local coffee shop and she was obviously she was obviously
struggling with life.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Every time I.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Would go in there, you just I could just I
could feel it, and so I went down one day
with a copy of one of my first book, Ignite
Your Joy. And I know it wasn't just the book.
I'm sure it was other things happening in her life
as well. But now when I see her, there's just
such this beautiful connection.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
There's a smile on her face.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And so for me, it's the every day you know,
it's and I still have learning with this as well,
but it's letting people in the traffic because you know,
people are angry on the road.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I don't know how it is where you live, but
it's so much anger on the road.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And so, like I offer it, will find myself meditating
and praying on the road go and please God just
keep us all safe.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So for me, it literally is it's not just the
programs or online. It's this is who I am every day.
And I'll be honest some days I call them up
my poop po days where I'm you know, I'm cranky,
i haven't slept properly, or I get triggered by my
family or something from the past has happened. And I'm
really good at recognizing, Okay, my window of tolerance is narrow,
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So just you know, go gently, do an extra prayer,
do an extra meditation, or do you know what, have
a nap, Go and have a napp, turn everything off
and then come back in and you'll have this refreshed perspective.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Everything will be different.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So I know, maybe it sounds silly, it's not a
formal kind of mentorship, but for me, it's just in
the beingness of who I am.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Community very important.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I've cultivated a really beautiful community online and also face
to face. Not a huge one, but over the last
few years, there's over one hundred of us that have
been sort of interacting since COVID happened, and it's really
special to be able to have that place where we
all feel included and we can also feel like we
can just be who we are, and if we feel
a bit crap, we can say that and we can
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show up in all our glory, and we can show
up online in our jams if we want to know.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I've been running a.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Class or a session every Monday, literally quite literally every week,
pretty much every week except for Christmas, called Monday Meditation
and Prioritization, and that started quite by accident because I
noticed my own mental health was declining during the pandemic
and in our lockdowns, and I knew the benefits of
guiding others through meditation because I just love guiding. So
(19:08):
I would just show up online and then people would say,
and I'll see you next week, right, and I'll see
you the week after.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, you will.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
And then I realized, oh my goodness, this is actually
there's something here. So we've been going literally, as I say,
every week for the last five or so years now,
so that's an amazing community there. And again we just
rock up, We meditate and come in full makeup if
you want to. And I always, you know, have I'm
always sort of got my curls and something done because
(19:36):
I feel nice and confident when I do that. But
come and your jamis, come with your cat, come with
your baby, cum whatever it is, and start the week
setting your intention, opening your heart, and then setting up
your priorities for the week, for the day, for the month.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
From that space.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, oh, that is so incredibly important. And I am
so glad that you also took the opportunity during that
lockdown period where you know, when we were the global pandemic,
to me was an opportunity for us to reassess, to realign,
(20:11):
to come into a new place of harmony with what
we should have been doing. You know, the world could
hit the reset button. And once we get out of this,
what lessons did we learn? Are we able to move
forward with a more positive projectory. I think that some
people took that time to do very similar to what
(20:33):
you did, and that was, let's create a space where
we can come together, where we can have this community,
this camaraderie, where we can learn from each other, that
we can pour into each other and have that collective
warm feeling of you are important, you are valued, and
(20:54):
you are seen. And I find that those who started,
especially during that time period, they are still going strong there.
Nothing is lacking because I think it was a genuine place.
You know, it wasn't just how can I make a
buck real quick because I'm not able to go to work.
I think those things had their had their duration, but
(21:18):
not all of those types of communities are still in
place because they didn't have the the intention of the longevity.
It was kind of like a get quick, you know,
kind of kind of thing. So I'm so glad that
that is still going going strong. What that. That says
a lot about the women that are that are in
that group. Now I want to ask you about in
(21:41):
that same vein of community and mentorship, we are finding
that women's empowerment in some places, it's a positive thing.
Uh here within the United States. It depends on who
you ask, where they are, and it might be, oh,
we're so glad that the women are speaking out so much.
(22:02):
You giving the little resistance. You're not in the States.
So from your perspective, how is women's empowerment? Asterisk? We
still love our fellows, you know, our guys are still
awesome and amazing. I'm a boy mom. We love you guys.
Don't worry. But how is women's empowerment? How was that movement?
(22:24):
How is that new mindset taking a hold in your country?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I think that it's it's definitely here. We can I
can feel it. It's showing up in sports. There's you know,
women's soccer groups and different teams and things happening. There's
definitely you know, there's there's women hosting news events, and
there's women just everywhere, and also different racial backgrounds and
cultural backgrounds as well.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So that's a huge part of everything moving here. In
that way. For me.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Also, this is, you know, just what I've noticed, and
I think particularly with my son in high school, but
this the identity conversation around the gender identity, and I
think there's going to be an interesting movement where, you know,
those who identify as them, they who are not what
we call sis women. I think that's an interesting conversation
(23:16):
around women's empowerment and how that fits in, you know,
when we start to move into a space of inclusion,
which I'm all for of course, but then also honoring
and validating those that you know, were born with a
certain way and had a cultural upbringing a certain way
versus those that came to it through their own sort
of self inquiry I imagine. So I'm curious to see
(23:37):
and there's no answer for this, but I'm curious to
see where we go sort of ten twenty years from now.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
An interesting point.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I was speaking to a colleague of mine and they
were sharing that they were at a job and a
new person had come through and they were speaking to
them about, you know, how are you and tell us
about your kids and your family. It was that, you know,
rapport building, get to know you type of conversation. The
woman said to her, you know, have you got a
(24:03):
boy or a girl? You know, it was an innocent question,
and the woman's reply was, I'm deeply offended by that
I have they, And I just thought that that actually
makes me a bit sad because the person was asking
you genuinely, you know, to build that connection in a
new environment. And then I also can understand, you know,
(24:25):
if you're coming from a place where you're having to
defend your children all the time. Perhaps I'm guessing, I
don't know, then you're already on the defense, you know.
So I think what I want to share with that,
and this is any advice I give, a guidance I
offer is also for myself as my heart grows and
opens and I become a more beautiful human on the
inside as well, you know. But it's the tolerance has
(24:46):
to be both ways, you know, where we understand that
everyone does come from the map of their own world,
and some people are not as understanding of them they
because perhaps in their map of the world it is
still she he, you know, that's not how are so
perhaps just being you know, compassionate and kind and educating
and offering that information, you know, before we kind of
(25:08):
step into being defended, which I know is not easy,
simple but not easy. But I just felt it was
a really important thing to raise here.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Absolutely, and I find that the same So for the
person who's having a hard time understanding that conversation, not
that I'm trying to change the subject, but to make
it a little broader because someone's going what we have
the same type of tolerance intolerance confusion during the holiday season.
(25:38):
So as someone who happens to be a practicing Christian,
when it is after Thanksgiving, and I literally say that,
so that is the fourth Thursday of the month in November,
when it's after Thanksgiving, it is officially Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You see people at the grocery store when you're out
and about, and everyone says Merry Christmas. Well, many people,
to be respectful, they say, well, happy Holidays, because they're
trying to be all inclusive. Some people may say none
of that is true for me, because that's not happy
(26:17):
Honikah happy right, just depending on where you are. But
as someone who understands that if someone were to say
happy Holidays to me, they are trying to come from
that place of I'm trying to give you some of
the love in my heart so that you have a
(26:38):
really good day and your rate. I think sometimes we
forget that for people that are walking a new path
or they are living with a cause in their heart,
that sometimes they do come from a place of all
of that heaviness, and that they don't mean to come
(27:01):
off with all of that, and that we should equally
be as understanding. And you are. You are so right.
I don't think anyone intends to discount your holiday by
saying Merry Christmas or slight your Christmas by saying happy Holidays.
(27:21):
And we should include that when it comes to all
aspects of equality and diversity, be it gender, or race
or ethnicity. I like to believe that we are all
children of God. We've just been placed in different bodies
in different locations, and if we love everyone first, then
(27:42):
the rest will work itself out. So agree, beautiful, beautiful
way to explain what you do and to help people
understand that what you do is definitely needed in the world.
I love it. I love it. Thank you for that, Debbie. Now,
one other thing that you do is you have been
(28:03):
an author, and not just do you write books, but
you are a best selling author. Love it, Love it.
Love it. Please tell us about your newest book. What
is that about, What was the inspiration behind it?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
So I've actually I've got a copy here.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
It's The Transformation Within, So it's words of wisdom from
a collection of coaches to help you win it the
game of life.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And it's an Amazon bestseller. I've written a chapter in
this one, and it is. Look, it's a really beautiful read.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
There's a lot of chapters here that are filled with
gorgeous knowledge and wisdom. Mine goes through a little bit
around the framework of the Six Selves, which I'm happy
to also share sort of briefly if we've got time
as well, So please feel free to have a look
at that one. I do have two others out two
and I think at the moment I've really been drawn
to the one that came out first, which came out
in twenty fourteen, Ignite Your Joy, and that was never
(28:57):
intended on actually really being published, more of an honoring
of my mum who passed away when I was pregnant
and I was coming to understand my gifts of being
able to connect with spirit and being able to understand energy,
and it was a really scary, overwhelming time. I had
no support of the understanding that some of us can
really connect to spirit and help them to sort of
move on.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
In their journey.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And yeah, I wrote that as a way of finding
my joy, and joy was actually an acronym for journey
of you. And then I got to the end of
it and I thought, well, it's an actual book.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You should publish it. So now it's on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It has been for a long time, and that's often
been the book that people find me from or refer
back to, even after ten years later and looking at
the journey how it's taken me through where I've come
from on my own journey, that book was so significant
in terms of helping me to understand myself, to find
my true self, and to be able to express that
in the world, and then figure out how I can
(29:54):
monetize that in the most beautiful, genuine, heart centered way,
and then also teach and guide others on that same
journey as well.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
We find that through a conversation that we are more alike,
as doctor Maya Angelou would say, we are more alike,
my friend, than we are un alike. And I find
that when we sit down, we kind of calm ourselves
over coffee over tea over you know, just a nice
(30:23):
cool water. You know, when we talk to each other,
we find that, hey, you're a human, I'm a human,
and we're trying to human as best we can during
this lifetime, and especially if you have had any type
of love, any particular loved one pass away and you're
(30:44):
trying to heal through that. My dad has passed away,
my mother remarried, my stepfather has passed away. And let
me tell you, I could not have had two better
dads in my life life. I am so blessed to
have had them. And because of that, I understand many
(31:04):
times when folks say my parent has passed away and
I miss them so and it's like, yeah, I miss
my dad, I miss my grandmother because they poured into
your life so much, right, and what a way to
honor them by sharing your story of this is what
I was feeling, and this is how I got through it.
(31:27):
Life and death. It happens to all of us. So
why not have that conversation and help each other get
to get to that better place. I'm so glad that
you share that part of your life with the readers
and help them help them get through it. But also
not staying stuck there right and being able to write
(31:48):
all of the other books as well, and to help
us transform and understand that life is about phases and
stages and how can we be our best self any
given moment. You're doing absolutely good work there.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Great.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Thank you so much, so welcome. Now. I know that
I have limited time with you, and thank you again
for spending some time with me here today. But before
I'll let you go, if someone wants to reach out
to you, what is the best way to do that,
and if they want to follow you on socials as well?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, I think probably these days Instagram, so it's deb Underscore,
Zita and Zeta is z I a jump on there.
I've got some videos on there and you can always
direct message me as well. I'm also happy to give
anyone a free access to Monday meditation and prioritization. If
they feel called to try that, just let me know
either through Insta or you can find me on the
(32:43):
website as well, which is The Heart Centered Way dot
com and also Debbiezita dot com.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I love it. Thank you again for being a guest
on Passion, your magazine, the podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Thank you so much,
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