June 16, 2025 • 29 mins
Micro-Computer Application Specialist • Author | CK Brashares, a Jackson, Michigan resident, draws from a rich life of 53 years of marriage, parenting two children, and cherishing five grandchildren. Beyond her role as a loving family member, she finds pleasure in sewing, embroidery, puzzles, and various crafts. Deeply religious and actively involved in an Earth-based religion, Cindy's journey was shaped by eight years in the banking industry, during which she honed her administrative skills.
A college graduate with a two-year degree in Micro-Computer Application Specialist, her love for writing began in a college course, where she crafted unpublished short stories. This foundation in writing made it easy for her to share her true story. Cindy's motivation to write her book emerged when her 93-year-old mother faced cancer. With the support of her siblings, they cared for their ailing mother. Her book serves as a beacon of information and solace for those who have been navigating similar situations, while also aiming to inspire readers with her heartfelt journey.
Join Cindy in her inspiring journey by diving into her book, a heartfelt narrative that offers insight, solace, and a testament to the strength of family bonds.
A college graduate with a two-year degree in Micro-Computer Application Specialist, her love for writing began in a college course, where she crafted unpublished short stories. This foundation in writing made it easy for her to share her true story. Cindy's motivation to write her book emerged when her 93-year-old mother faced cancer. With the support of her siblings, they cared for their ailing mother. Her book serves as a beacon of information and solace for those who have been navigating similar situations, while also aiming to inspire readers with her heartfelt journey.
Join Cindy in her inspiring journey by diving into her book, a heartfelt narrative that offers insight, solace, and a testament to the strength of family bonds.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to Passioneer Magazine, the podcast Well You're Here, inspirational stories,
encouraging news, and in depth interviews with authors, influencers, CEOs
and thought leaders. Passioneer Magazine the podcast Bold Ideas, Brave Pursuits,
Boundless Inspiration. Hello, Hello, Hello, Thank you so much Sindy
(00:38):
for joining me here on Passioneer Magazine, the podcast Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Thank you. I'm glad to be here absolutely now.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
As you know, I love spending time with authors. You
guys are amazing people. You help us use our imagination
tends to go on the journey of where your books
take us. Now, you are an author, and before I
discuss the ins and outs of all you do, I
(01:11):
would love for you to introduce yourself because I realized
there may be some people watching or listening that are
unfamiliar with you. So tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, my name is cindibre Cher's or my pen name
is C. K. Pershairs. I live in Jackson, Michigan, and
I'm married a marriage for fifty five years. I have
two children and five grandchildren. And I love to sew
and do machine and birdery.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh, I love that I love that my mother is
crafty like that I do a different type of craft,
but the ability to have an idea, sketch it out,
sew it together and it's there.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's like what I created, that I created. That that's
a great film.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That yes, I love that. Now about your book, Before
we get into the questions, I want to make sure
I give out my lovely disclaimer here. If you want
to know the all about the book, you're definitely going
to have to pick up a copy of the book.
But if you will, please, what is the title? We
know it's available on Amazon or wherever books are sold,
(02:23):
but tell us the title and a little bit about
this book.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Okay. My book's name is a reflective journey of a
loved one's passing, and it is regarding my journey with
my mother, who had discovered she had breast cancer and
lung cancer, and we thought that she was going to
pass in six months. And so when I was going
(02:47):
through this, it started out as actually a journeying journaling
process to record the process of her passing and just
in case there was all there's always something for medical
issues that you'd like to know that information, And so
I thought this would be a good thing. And then
(03:09):
I got a call from Balboa Press about doing a book,
and I thought, well, after I saw how much it
was involved. I mean, there's five of us in my family,
five siblings counting me, and it was difficult for us,
and I thought, how would it be for like one
or two people. This is a really hard process to
(03:32):
go through, especially if you don't have any support. So
I thought, maybe this writing down and journaling and telling
about our story that would help others.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And you are so right. I find that people are
truly inspired by others stories. Whoever was the first person
that said you should tell your story? Thank god they
made suggestion because it really does empower others, And thank
you for sharing that that it can be a very huge,
(04:09):
a daunting task for just you know, one or two
people to take on. Now, was there a particular moment
in the writing process that you realized that this story
that the the chronicling of your life's journey with your
(04:30):
mother in this all that there was a moment where
you realized this is bigger than me. I need to
I need to share it. Or was about Boula Press
contacting you perfect timing?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, both I think I know the main idea thought
process that I went through. I came home from a
particular bad day from my mom. She was difficult. I mean,
she you made all her food from scratch, and so
(05:04):
she had to go through processed food which didn't taste good.
And then the medicine and stuff didn't make her feel
like it tasted good either, or she didn't want to eat.
And I came home and I sat in my truck
and leaned back, and I happened to look up at
the sky and it was so blue and so beautiful,
and I thought how small I am. That made me
(05:26):
realize that I had gotten depressed from the process and
that I could not I had contracted myself so much
that I could not contract myself anymore. I had to
face the issue in front of me that my mom
was going to pass. And then it seemed like it
released something too also that I was able to go
(05:50):
and face that, And I thought, this is something that
really needs to be put out there. That made me
feel like this book really was needed. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And you are You're so right there, and I want
to give you some more time to speak to that.
So many times when we are going through a something
we don't want for others to know truly how deeply
hurt we are. Right, we may say something like, oh,
(06:23):
I'm fine or I'm having a hard day, but I'll
be okay. You know, we want to keep it at bay,
if you will, and don't really want to talk about
that now that the experience has has taken its journey
the way in which it has, and now it's hindsight
for you in that moment of having that realization of
(06:47):
your place in the world, is there anything that you
would have done differently to prepare for that moment? For
someone listening who's saying, my mom is going through that too,
or my dad is going through that too, and I'm
going to have to prepare for that moment, is there
anything you wish you would have done differently or known
(07:09):
about doing that would have made that moment easier.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, that's a hard one because I didn't realize I
was depressed, and I think it was compounded also, I
was the oldest, so I had to feel like I
had to have everything in control and put up a
brave face. So I think the most thing I can
(07:35):
think offering this is to be true to yourself, be
true with yourself. If you have issues or even the
slightest thing, talk with somebody else. That might be helpful too,
because it's always better to talk about things than when
you haven't going through this. I mean, I had my
husband to talk to and that was good, but not totally.
(07:58):
I guess you'd have to have somebody your really trust
that you could go and just open up. But on
the other side of it, I don't think that most
people will realize that they're going through that until after
the fact. Because I realized that I was depressed, and
I was depressed for two years after because I didn't
(08:20):
I'm just now getting back in to doing the things
I like and love, and that was a really something
in my face thing, you know that I didn't realize.
I thought I was stronger than that. But I don't
think anybody is strong when you're going through such emotional stress.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, and it's really hard when you, especially lose a parent.
It's hard when you lose a loved one. If and
we're not comparing necessarily, but I think that most people
would agree that if if it were someone that you
just new in passing, you would say, oh, my goodness,
(09:03):
you know my Barista has passed. I'm going to miss
them because it's human being to human being. If a
coworker passed, of course, maybe a little bit more because
you saw that person every day, you interacted with them,
But a family member even that much more a blood
relative of mine has passed. But your parents, I think
(09:24):
that's a special category because you realize that without them
there would be no you, right, So I think it
really is that connection, that connection there. So I definitely understand.
Now if there is one message, and you have left
(09:45):
several bread clumbs along the way in your book, and
I love that you've done that, But if there's one
nugget of wisdom, one crumb in particular, that you want
to make sure a reader picks up, what would.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That be to have compassion for your loved one going
through this process, because they're going to be difficult because
they're scared, they don't know what's going to happen. They're
the ones that going to pass, and so there's a
lot of issues that they've lost control of their life.
(10:20):
So I myself did not give my mom the credit
or the dignity sometimes that she deserved. So my message
to you is to give them dignity, even if they
seem to be difficult, pay attention and say, you know,
(10:41):
not really go and be totally okay, you can do this,
but be wise enough to know that what you say
to them need to be kind.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh my goodness, Yes, that is so true. And when
you said they're the ones, they're the ones passing right
and they know it and they're not in control. We
can't imagine that, right, We have no idea what that
feels like. So you are you are so right? How
(11:17):
frightening to a certain degree that must be. Now, I
think most people do come to terms with their mortality.
They do start to accept and understand what's going to happen.
But you can't tell me that. Everyone just says okay,
that's fine, right, and that they're just not there and
(11:38):
we do have to give them that grace to be
able to get there. Yes, yeah, oh, oh my goodness.
I just think about the things that have happened in
in my in my own life, my my battle with
with breast cancer, and just getting to the point where
you go, okay, okay, but it doesn't but it doesn't
(12:02):
start off there. You know, it's started with tears, but
he ended up with okay, So absolutely, thank you. Thank
you for that reminder now, and especially for and I
say that because I'm realizing that I am agent xer
and that means that our parents are starting to get older,
(12:25):
they are boomers, and at one point in our lives
we are all going to have to have that type
of conversation of our parents. Their time with us is limited,
so to prepare ourselves as best we can. So thank
you for answering that question. Now I want to kind
(12:47):
of shift gears just a little bit and tap into
that author side of who you are. I believe that
authors have a particular organizational style, that they have a
way in which they plan their day, if you will,
because they know you have to write. You have to
(13:07):
make time for the writing. So when you were in
your creative mode of how do I share the stories?
Do I write this or write that or not share that? Part?
When you were in that mode, how did you go
about organizing your thoughts about determining what you would or
wouldn't share.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, one of the best advices that I received and
during my going to a process somebody who taught me
how to write, was just to start writing, to take
and put something down on the paper and keep going.
Because your first is a draft. It's something that can
(13:52):
be or not be put into the final process. But
if you don't put anything down on the paper, you're
not going to do anything. So what I did is
I would just start writing something and I didn't take
and have like hours of writing. I would do a
little bit here, a little bit a thought would come
or in my case doing this is during the day,
(14:15):
I would sit down and write my thoughts that I
processed for the day. You know what I did for
the day. But other projects that I've done is just
start writing about something in that the whatever mode or
idea that I was thinking about, and then I would
have maybe fifteen twenty pieces of paper with different thoughts
(14:41):
on and then I would go and put it all
on paper and then read it and then read out
what I didn't want, and then other ideas would come
in as I read it, which made me expand on
different points. So it was a I'm going creative process.
(15:01):
I guess I like that you.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I am a very big proponent of freestyle writing. Get
it out of your head, don't edit as you go,
just get that thought down, and many times you need
it but maybe not in that place. You know, it's like, oh,
it'd be really good instead of up here, it'd be
really good down there. So I like that that you're
(15:29):
encouraging people to just write. I couldn't agree with you
more there. Now, one part of the process is publishing,
and so many people say doctor arslist. I had no
idea what I was doing when it came to publishing.
(15:50):
The writing was what it was, you know, I figured
out how to get that all down. But publishing or
were there any particular obstacles that you can think of
that really took your time that you had to really
sit down and think about, or were there any pieces
that were easier to make a decision about than some others.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Oh, that's a hard question because it was. It was
all hard but all easy at the same time, because
there were different parts that picking out the title for
the book I'm going on, I don't have an idea
what to call it, you know, I mean I knew
that I my brain said that I have to have
(16:36):
something that people want to know about, so you have
to put some like mystery into it a little bit,
and then so a catchy praise, you know, And so
that was hard and then they wanted to be pick
out the book size and you know, different aspects of it.
(16:56):
I'm going, I don't know what I mean, what is
a good things? You know, It's just one of those things.
So the process was very surprising to me of all
that you had to do, because you know, not only
did you do the book size and what you can
call it, you had to figure out are you going
to do marketing? Do you want online? Do you want
(17:19):
you know, a website, what do you want on the website?
And it was just a lot of process that goes
into this. And then they wanted me to not necessarily
go and do book signings, but going to different fares,
book fares, you know, because I went to my book
(17:39):
went to the LA Fair, the big one, and went
down to Miami's fair, It went over to Frankfurt, Germany's fair,
and I think there was one other, but I can't
remember what it is. Oh, I went to hay Houses.
I can do it. Seminar, webinar conference, that's the word
(18:05):
I'm looking for, And that's where I actually went and
I did book signings and that was interesting because you
got to meet people and because you don't know if
your book's going to be good, you know, and so
you just say, okay, well, this is way a good
way to find out if they're really interested. I had
(18:26):
fifty books that I took. Well, they provided for the process,
and I signed thirty three books. Wow, so that was
a good thing, you know. But I guess I can't
think of anything else in the process. Oh, just the
calls from the different people. Also, because once your book
(18:48):
goes out there, you get a lot of calls from
some people, good people and some bad people. Yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That is a notch about that, that conversation, and as
well of you just don't know who to trust sometimes
when it comes to those extra phone calls. Right, So
you're publishing company. Usually by the time you get to
this particular part of their process, they're the company that
you're going with like you like them, which is why
(19:18):
you're you're already there. But let those extra people start
calling that that can really be an interesting thing to do.
You know, is this is it good or is it bad?
Is it worth this money? Isn't it worth this money? Uh?
And and that can be and that can be really hard.
And that's another conversation that I've heard is that people
(19:41):
are afraid that just because they have to pay for
something that that might make it a scam, and trying
to figure out what are the real what are the
real tangible things that you have to pay for versus
are who are the people just trying to take advantage
(20:02):
of your being at this?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Because it can be expensive in producing a book or
publishing a book, especially if it's self published, because I
hear that going with a house they pay for a
lot of the stuff that you pay for separately as
a self published author, and so I guess I would
(20:27):
think that would be the biggest obstacle is price. How
much are you willing to pay for to get that
book out there? Now? I've done like an interview with
you and Logan Crawford and Rick Branton, and that cost me.
But I figured that this was a cost of doing business, right,
(20:51):
you know. So you have to think in that mode
for a lot of it. But then you have to
remember also some of them want your money and may
not go very far or do very much for you.
So you have to pick and choose and kind of
be savvy world, you know, yeah, on which one to pick?
And I find a place somebody that you can get
(21:13):
information of and maybe vet them out.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah. Absolutely, I could not agree with you more. And
even with my providing this service for others, I am
still approached by people whose intentions are no good. So
those scammers that reach out to the authors also reach
(21:40):
out to the authentic theod casters, TV shows, radio shows. Yeah,
we get those calls too, and it could be it
is just as daunting for us because we have to
try our best to read out too, you know, because
you want collaborate with others and they want to be
(22:02):
able to provide a platform. But it can be, it
can be a task. So and I say that just
so that people understand that it's not them like I don't.
I don't want people to think, you know, oh my goodness,
I'm so silly they take advantage of Absolutely not. There
are some people out there right that is just what
(22:25):
they do. So it is okay to take your time
and to vet those people accordingly. I I'm so glad
you mentioned that. You mentioned that. Now, looking back at
your your overall careers as an author, for our aspiring
(22:45):
authors out there that are thinking about taking the plunge,
sticking their toe out there and writing their first book
is there any piece of advice that you want to
offer them, perhaps something you wish you would known before
you started the process, or something that really you think
(23:07):
might be a an aha moment to help them get
there faster. Hm hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's a tough question too, because I guess the best
at is just to get it down on paper and
then you know, go through the process of vetting it
and going through and moving around and making it viable,
and then take it to your friends, have them read it,
(23:39):
and or even if you know somebody that's in like
a a business, that they would give you a better
honest opinion of it, and then go forward because and
then also be sure that you can afford it, because
it is going to be expensive. If you self public
(24:01):
it can be up to as much ten thousand dollars.
And it's not all at once. It's piecemeal.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You can bend five thousand here, four thousand here, two
thousand here, you know, and so it can add up.
So you want to be aware if you can afford that. Now,
if you're working, you know, it might not be as difficult.
But for myself, I was retired, I had money for
my mom, and so I decided to do that, but
(24:32):
I would think the best thing is to get it
down on paper, see if it's viable, have your friends
look at it and they can give you a good
idea and then go forward if you want to. Another
thing I just thought of was I took the hay
Houses Writers Seminar or conference, and that's how they got
(24:54):
my name. So if you want to get into something
like that, they offer I think once or twice a
year to have this writer's conference where they talk about
what is to be a writer, what you have to
do to get to be in the self publishing things,
(25:14):
and give you ideas and instructions, you know, not a
huge instructions, but they give you an idea what it entails.
And that's they get your name and they contact you
and then at the point you can go on, you know, oh.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What a great tool that is. That is really something
a resource that you should that you should have. Thank
you for mentioning that, because that might be the difference
for someone you know who's not sure or they need
that extra piece of confirmation and attending that conference or
workshop or you know, whatever they're offering at the time,
(25:56):
that could be the difference between not published and publishing.
I love that. I love that you know you have
I think, really inspired someone out there who's thinking about
taking the next step, and you've done it in a
way that is I feel very authentic. Thank you for
(26:18):
doing so. You didn't make it more than what it
needed to be, but you didn't make it any less.
And you are You are so right. If you have
a desire to be an author, you have to decide
you can self publish, and like you said, you may
have to pay for everything upfront, or you could go
with a publishing house. But guess what it's going to
cost you in time. It may not lost you, you know,
(26:40):
in money in the same way, but you're still going
to have to do all of those things prepare yourself
to go on tour. So I love that you that
you weighed the options and really thought about what is
it that I want to do and how do I
want to accomplish this. You are deaf making a difference
(27:01):
in the lives of others, and I want to leave
our listeners, our viewers with this one piece. I have
had the pleasure of interviewing Sindy before on another platform
that I provide, and this book is one that if
you are dealing with depression, if you're dealing with grief bereavement,
(27:21):
if someone in your family is soon about to deal
with this, this is a great book to gift as
well as to read. It is a great book for
book club if you are thinking about how can I
help those that are going through a something. This would
be a really great book to start a bereavement club
(27:44):
where you are helping those in your community, your organization
go from where they are to hope and healing on
the other side. This is a really great book to
use as a resource for that. Thank you for that
you are you are so you are so welcome. As
a pastoral counselor, I am always looking for resources to
(28:08):
help people be their best. So not only do I
try to provide a platform for others, I want to
share as much as I can to make sure that
people are living their best lives. So Cindy, thank you
so much for coming on and sharing your experience as
well as your book with with our viewers and with
(28:28):
our listeners here. Now we know that your book is
available of course on Amazon and wherever books are sold,
But if someone wants to reach out to you personally,
how should how should they go about doing.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That, Well, they can reach me at w w w
ckber Shares dot com that's my website, or uh C
Cable Shares at gmail dot com, so they can reach
out the way.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I love it. I love it. Well, thank you again
Sunday for being a guest here on Passioneer Magazine the podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, thank you for having me, doctor Angel. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You are so welcome
Welcome to Passioneer Magazine, the podcast Well You're Here, inspirational stories,
encouraging news, and in depth interviews with authors, influencers, CEOs
and thought leaders. Passioneer Magazine the podcast Bold Ideas, Brave Pursuits,
Boundless Inspiration. Hello, Hello, Hello, Thank you so much Sindy
(00:38):
for joining me here on Passioneer Magazine, the podcast Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Thank you. I'm glad to be here absolutely now.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
As you know, I love spending time with authors. You
guys are amazing people. You help us use our imagination
tends to go on the journey of where your books
take us. Now, you are an author, and before I
discuss the ins and outs of all you do, I
(01:11):
would love for you to introduce yourself because I realized
there may be some people watching or listening that are
unfamiliar with you. So tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, my name is cindibre Cher's or my pen name
is C. K. Pershairs. I live in Jackson, Michigan, and
I'm married a marriage for fifty five years. I have
two children and five grandchildren. And I love to sew
and do machine and birdery.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh, I love that I love that my mother is
crafty like that I do a different type of craft,
but the ability to have an idea, sketch it out,
sew it together and it's there.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's like what I created, that I created. That that's
a great film.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That yes, I love that. Now about your book, Before
we get into the questions, I want to make sure
I give out my lovely disclaimer here. If you want
to know the all about the book, you're definitely going
to have to pick up a copy of the book.
But if you will, please, what is the title? We
know it's available on Amazon or wherever books are sold,
(02:23):
but tell us the title and a little bit about
this book.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Okay. My book's name is a reflective journey of a
loved one's passing, and it is regarding my journey with
my mother, who had discovered she had breast cancer and
lung cancer, and we thought that she was going to
pass in six months. And so when I was going
(02:47):
through this, it started out as actually a journeying journaling
process to record the process of her passing and just
in case there was all there's always something for medical
issues that you'd like to know that information, And so
I thought this would be a good thing. And then
(03:09):
I got a call from Balboa Press about doing a book,
and I thought, well, after I saw how much it
was involved. I mean, there's five of us in my family,
five siblings counting me, and it was difficult for us,
and I thought, how would it be for like one
or two people. This is a really hard process to
(03:32):
go through, especially if you don't have any support. So
I thought, maybe this writing down and journaling and telling
about our story that would help others.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And you are so right. I find that people are
truly inspired by others stories. Whoever was the first person
that said you should tell your story? Thank god they
made suggestion because it really does empower others, And thank
you for sharing that that it can be a very huge,
(04:09):
a daunting task for just you know, one or two
people to take on. Now, was there a particular moment
in the writing process that you realized that this story
that the the chronicling of your life's journey with your
(04:30):
mother in this all that there was a moment where
you realized this is bigger than me. I need to
I need to share it. Or was about Boula Press
contacting you perfect timing?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, both I think I know the main idea thought
process that I went through. I came home from a
particular bad day from my mom. She was difficult. I mean,
she you made all her food from scratch, and so
(05:04):
she had to go through processed food which didn't taste good.
And then the medicine and stuff didn't make her feel
like it tasted good either, or she didn't want to eat.
And I came home and I sat in my truck
and leaned back, and I happened to look up at
the sky and it was so blue and so beautiful,
and I thought how small I am. That made me
(05:26):
realize that I had gotten depressed from the process and
that I could not I had contracted myself so much
that I could not contract myself anymore. I had to
face the issue in front of me that my mom
was going to pass. And then it seemed like it
released something too also that I was able to go
(05:50):
and face that, And I thought, this is something that
really needs to be put out there. That made me
feel like this book really was needed. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And you are You're so right there, and I want
to give you some more time to speak to that.
So many times when we are going through a something
we don't want for others to know truly how deeply
hurt we are. Right, we may say something like, oh,
(06:23):
I'm fine or I'm having a hard day, but I'll
be okay. You know, we want to keep it at bay,
if you will, and don't really want to talk about
that now that the experience has has taken its journey
the way in which it has, and now it's hindsight
for you in that moment of having that realization of
(06:47):
your place in the world, is there anything that you
would have done differently to prepare for that moment? For
someone listening who's saying, my mom is going through that too,
or my dad is going through that too, and I'm
going to have to prepare for that moment, is there
anything you wish you would have done differently or known
(07:09):
about doing that would have made that moment easier.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, that's a hard one because I didn't realize I
was depressed, and I think it was compounded also, I
was the oldest, so I had to feel like I
had to have everything in control and put up a
brave face. So I think the most thing I can
(07:35):
think offering this is to be true to yourself, be
true with yourself. If you have issues or even the
slightest thing, talk with somebody else. That might be helpful too,
because it's always better to talk about things than when
you haven't going through this. I mean, I had my
husband to talk to and that was good, but not totally.
(07:58):
I guess you'd have to have somebody your really trust
that you could go and just open up. But on
the other side of it, I don't think that most
people will realize that they're going through that until after
the fact. Because I realized that I was depressed, and
I was depressed for two years after because I didn't
(08:20):
I'm just now getting back in to doing the things
I like and love, and that was a really something
in my face thing, you know that I didn't realize.
I thought I was stronger than that. But I don't
think anybody is strong when you're going through such emotional stress.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, and it's really hard when you, especially lose a parent.
It's hard when you lose a loved one. If and
we're not comparing necessarily, but I think that most people
would agree that if if it were someone that you
just new in passing, you would say, oh, my goodness,
(09:03):
you know my Barista has passed. I'm going to miss
them because it's human being to human being. If a
coworker passed, of course, maybe a little bit more because
you saw that person every day, you interacted with them,
But a family member even that much more a blood
relative of mine has passed. But your parents, I think
(09:24):
that's a special category because you realize that without them
there would be no you, right, So I think it
really is that connection, that connection there. So I definitely understand.
Now if there is one message, and you have left
(09:45):
several bread clumbs along the way in your book, and
I love that you've done that, But if there's one
nugget of wisdom, one crumb in particular, that you want
to make sure a reader picks up, what would.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That be to have compassion for your loved one going
through this process, because they're going to be difficult because
they're scared, they don't know what's going to happen. They're
the ones that going to pass, and so there's a
lot of issues that they've lost control of their life.
(10:20):
So I myself did not give my mom the credit
or the dignity sometimes that she deserved. So my message
to you is to give them dignity, even if they
seem to be difficult, pay attention and say, you know,
(10:41):
not really go and be totally okay, you can do this,
but be wise enough to know that what you say
to them need to be kind.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh my goodness, Yes, that is so true. And when
you said they're the ones, they're the ones passing right
and they know it and they're not in control. We
can't imagine that, right, We have no idea what that
feels like. So you are you are so right? How
(11:17):
frightening to a certain degree that must be. Now, I
think most people do come to terms with their mortality.
They do start to accept and understand what's going to happen.
But you can't tell me that. Everyone just says okay,
that's fine, right, and that they're just not there and
(11:38):
we do have to give them that grace to be
able to get there. Yes, yeah, oh, oh my goodness.
I just think about the things that have happened in
in my in my own life, my my battle with
with breast cancer, and just getting to the point where
you go, okay, okay, but it doesn't but it doesn't
(12:02):
start off there. You know, it's started with tears, but
he ended up with okay, So absolutely, thank you. Thank
you for that reminder now, and especially for and I
say that because I'm realizing that I am agent xer
and that means that our parents are starting to get older,
(12:25):
they are boomers, and at one point in our lives
we are all going to have to have that type
of conversation of our parents. Their time with us is limited,
so to prepare ourselves as best we can. So thank
you for answering that question. Now I want to kind
(12:47):
of shift gears just a little bit and tap into
that author side of who you are. I believe that
authors have a particular organizational style, that they have a
way in which they plan their day, if you will,
because they know you have to write. You have to
(13:07):
make time for the writing. So when you were in
your creative mode of how do I share the stories?
Do I write this or write that or not share that? Part?
When you were in that mode, how did you go
about organizing your thoughts about determining what you would or
wouldn't share.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, one of the best advices that I received and
during my going to a process somebody who taught me
how to write, was just to start writing, to take
and put something down on the paper and keep going.
Because your first is a draft. It's something that can
(13:52):
be or not be put into the final process. But
if you don't put anything down on the paper, you're
not going to do anything. So what I did is
I would just start writing something and I didn't take
and have like hours of writing. I would do a
little bit here, a little bit a thought would come
or in my case doing this is during the day,
(14:15):
I would sit down and write my thoughts that I
processed for the day. You know what I did for
the day. But other projects that I've done is just
start writing about something in that the whatever mode or
idea that I was thinking about, and then I would
have maybe fifteen twenty pieces of paper with different thoughts
(14:41):
on and then I would go and put it all
on paper and then read it and then read out
what I didn't want, and then other ideas would come
in as I read it, which made me expand on
different points. So it was a I'm going creative process.
(15:01):
I guess I like that you.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I am a very big proponent of freestyle writing. Get
it out of your head, don't edit as you go,
just get that thought down, and many times you need
it but maybe not in that place. You know, it's like, oh,
it'd be really good instead of up here, it'd be
really good down there. So I like that that you're
(15:29):
encouraging people to just write. I couldn't agree with you
more there. Now, one part of the process is publishing,
and so many people say doctor arslist. I had no
idea what I was doing when it came to publishing.
(15:50):
The writing was what it was, you know, I figured
out how to get that all down. But publishing or
were there any particular obstacles that you can think of
that really took your time that you had to really
sit down and think about, or were there any pieces
that were easier to make a decision about than some others.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Oh, that's a hard question because it was. It was
all hard but all easy at the same time, because
there were different parts that picking out the title for
the book I'm going on, I don't have an idea
what to call it, you know, I mean I knew
that I my brain said that I have to have
(16:36):
something that people want to know about, so you have
to put some like mystery into it a little bit,
and then so a catchy praise, you know, And so
that was hard and then they wanted to be pick
out the book size and you know, different aspects of it.
(16:56):
I'm going, I don't know what I mean, what is
a good things? You know, It's just one of those things.
So the process was very surprising to me of all
that you had to do, because you know, not only
did you do the book size and what you can
call it, you had to figure out are you going
to do marketing? Do you want online? Do you want
(17:19):
you know, a website, what do you want on the website?
And it was just a lot of process that goes
into this. And then they wanted me to not necessarily
go and do book signings, but going to different fares,
book fares, you know, because I went to my book
(17:39):
went to the LA Fair, the big one, and went
down to Miami's fair, It went over to Frankfurt, Germany's fair,
and I think there was one other, but I can't
remember what it is. Oh, I went to hay Houses.
I can do it. Seminar, webinar conference, that's the word
(18:05):
I'm looking for, And that's where I actually went and
I did book signings and that was interesting because you
got to meet people and because you don't know if
your book's going to be good, you know, and so
you just say, okay, well, this is way a good
way to find out if they're really interested. I had
(18:26):
fifty books that I took. Well, they provided for the process,
and I signed thirty three books. Wow, so that was
a good thing, you know. But I guess I can't
think of anything else in the process. Oh, just the
calls from the different people. Also, because once your book
(18:48):
goes out there, you get a lot of calls from
some people, good people and some bad people. Yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That is a notch about that, that conversation, and as
well of you just don't know who to trust sometimes
when it comes to those extra phone calls. Right, So
you're publishing company. Usually by the time you get to
this particular part of their process, they're the company that
you're going with like you like them, which is why
(19:18):
you're you're already there. But let those extra people start
calling that that can really be an interesting thing to do.
You know, is this is it good or is it bad?
Is it worth this money? Isn't it worth this money? Uh?
And and that can be and that can be really hard.
And that's another conversation that I've heard is that people
(19:41):
are afraid that just because they have to pay for
something that that might make it a scam, and trying
to figure out what are the real what are the
real tangible things that you have to pay for versus
are who are the people just trying to take advantage
(20:02):
of your being at this?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Because it can be expensive in producing a book or
publishing a book, especially if it's self published, because I
hear that going with a house they pay for a
lot of the stuff that you pay for separately as
a self published author, and so I guess I would
(20:27):
think that would be the biggest obstacle is price. How
much are you willing to pay for to get that
book out there? Now? I've done like an interview with
you and Logan Crawford and Rick Branton, and that cost me.
But I figured that this was a cost of doing business, right,
(20:51):
you know. So you have to think in that mode
for a lot of it. But then you have to
remember also some of them want your money and may
not go very far or do very much for you.
So you have to pick and choose and kind of
be savvy world, you know, yeah, on which one to pick?
And I find a place somebody that you can get
(21:13):
information of and maybe vet them out.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah. Absolutely, I could not agree with you more. And
even with my providing this service for others, I am
still approached by people whose intentions are no good. So
those scammers that reach out to the authors also reach
(21:40):
out to the authentic theod casters, TV shows, radio shows. Yeah,
we get those calls too, and it could be it
is just as daunting for us because we have to
try our best to read out too, you know, because
you want collaborate with others and they want to be
(22:02):
able to provide a platform. But it can be, it
can be a task. So and I say that just
so that people understand that it's not them like I don't.
I don't want people to think, you know, oh my goodness,
I'm so silly they take advantage of Absolutely not. There
are some people out there right that is just what
(22:25):
they do. So it is okay to take your time
and to vet those people accordingly. I I'm so glad
you mentioned that. You mentioned that. Now, looking back at
your your overall careers as an author, for our aspiring
(22:45):
authors out there that are thinking about taking the plunge,
sticking their toe out there and writing their first book
is there any piece of advice that you want to
offer them, perhaps something you wish you would known before
you started the process, or something that really you think
(23:07):
might be a an aha moment to help them get
there faster. Hm hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's a tough question too, because I guess the best
at is just to get it down on paper and
then you know, go through the process of vetting it
and going through and moving around and making it viable,
and then take it to your friends, have them read it,
(23:39):
and or even if you know somebody that's in like
a a business, that they would give you a better
honest opinion of it, and then go forward because and
then also be sure that you can afford it, because
it is going to be expensive. If you self public
(24:01):
it can be up to as much ten thousand dollars.
And it's not all at once. It's piecemeal.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You can bend five thousand here, four thousand here, two
thousand here, you know, and so it can add up.
So you want to be aware if you can afford that. Now,
if you're working, you know, it might not be as difficult.
But for myself, I was retired, I had money for
my mom, and so I decided to do that, but
(24:32):
I would think the best thing is to get it
down on paper, see if it's viable, have your friends
look at it and they can give you a good
idea and then go forward if you want to. Another
thing I just thought of was I took the hay
Houses Writers Seminar or conference, and that's how they got
(24:54):
my name. So if you want to get into something
like that, they offer I think once or twice a
year to have this writer's conference where they talk about
what is to be a writer, what you have to
do to get to be in the self publishing things,
(25:14):
and give you ideas and instructions, you know, not a
huge instructions, but they give you an idea what it entails.
And that's they get your name and they contact you
and then at the point you can go on, you know, oh.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What a great tool that is. That is really something
a resource that you should that you should have. Thank
you for mentioning that, because that might be the difference
for someone you know who's not sure or they need
that extra piece of confirmation and attending that conference or
workshop or you know, whatever they're offering at the time,
(25:56):
that could be the difference between not published and publishing.
I love that. I love that you know you have
I think, really inspired someone out there who's thinking about
taking the next step, and you've done it in a
way that is I feel very authentic. Thank you for
(26:18):
doing so. You didn't make it more than what it
needed to be, but you didn't make it any less.
And you are You are so right. If you have
a desire to be an author, you have to decide
you can self publish, and like you said, you may
have to pay for everything upfront, or you could go
with a publishing house. But guess what it's going to
cost you in time. It may not lost you, you know,
(26:40):
in money in the same way, but you're still going
to have to do all of those things prepare yourself
to go on tour. So I love that you that
you weighed the options and really thought about what is
it that I want to do and how do I
want to accomplish this. You are deaf making a difference
(27:01):
in the lives of others, and I want to leave
our listeners, our viewers with this one piece. I have
had the pleasure of interviewing Sindy before on another platform
that I provide, and this book is one that if
you are dealing with depression, if you're dealing with grief bereavement,
(27:21):
if someone in your family is soon about to deal
with this, this is a great book to gift as
well as to read. It is a great book for
book club if you are thinking about how can I
help those that are going through a something. This would
be a really great book to start a bereavement club
(27:44):
where you are helping those in your community, your organization
go from where they are to hope and healing on
the other side. This is a really great book to
use as a resource for that. Thank you for that
you are you are so you are so welcome. As
a pastoral counselor, I am always looking for resources to
(28:08):
help people be their best. So not only do I
try to provide a platform for others, I want to
share as much as I can to make sure that
people are living their best lives. So Cindy, thank you
so much for coming on and sharing your experience as
well as your book with with our viewers and with
(28:28):
our listeners here. Now we know that your book is
available of course on Amazon and wherever books are sold,
But if someone wants to reach out to you personally,
how should how should they go about doing.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That, Well, they can reach me at w w w
ckber Shares dot com that's my website, or uh C
Cable Shares at gmail dot com, so they can reach
out the way.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I love it. I love it. Well, thank you again
Sunday for being a guest here on Passioneer Magazine the podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, thank you for having me, doctor Angel. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You are so welcome
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