September 25, 2024 • 46 mins
Land use changes, business growth, and community engagement are shaping Peachtree Corners' future. From revitalizing office spaces to innovative mixed-use developments, the city is working to attract investments and meet the needs of its residents.
Peachtree Corners Life's host Rico Figliolini is joined by Shaun Adams, Community Development Director, to discuss how the city adapts to new trends, assesses vacancy rates, and gathers public input to guide its growth. Learn about the city's plans, including a focus on office renovations and diverse housing options, and how the community can get involved in the upcoming public meeting on October 3rd.
Resources:
Peachtree Corners Website: https://www.peachtreecornersga.gov/Community Development: https://www.peachtreecornersga.gov/190/Community-DevelopmentOctober 3rd Community Engagement Meeting: https://www.peachtreecornersga.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=210
Timestamp:
00:00:00 - Peachtree Corners Land Use Moratorium
00:01:58 - Revitalizing the Central Business District
00:04:53 - Public Engagement Meeting
00:07:06 - Insights from Asset Inventory and Changing Business Trends
00:11:11 - Improving Office Amenities and Competitiveness in Tech Park
00:14:03 - Reinvestment in Aging Office Buildings
00:16:15 - Evolving Uses in Office and Mixed-Use Developments
00:19:51 - Attracting Diverse Businesses
00:24:00 - Exploring Mixed-Use and Diverse Housing Options
00:27:39 - Mixed-Use Development
00:29:42 - Efficient Residential Density Options
00:33:17 - Trail Connection Around Technology Park Lake
00:40:41 - Evolving City Management through Conferences and Collaboration
00:43:00 - Accessing City Development Information
Peachtree Corners Life's host Rico Figliolini is joined by Shaun Adams, Community Development Director, to discuss how the city adapts to new trends, assesses vacancy rates, and gathers public input to guide its growth. Learn about the city's plans, including a focus on office renovations and diverse housing options, and how the community can get involved in the upcoming public meeting on October 3rd.
Resources:
Peachtree Corners Website: https://www.peachtreecornersga.gov/Community Development: https://www.peachtreecornersga.gov/190/Community-DevelopmentOctober 3rd Community Engagement Meeting: https://www.peachtreecornersga.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=210
Timestamp:
00:00:00 - Peachtree Corners Land Use Moratorium
00:01:58 - Revitalizing the Central Business District
00:04:53 - Public Engagement Meeting
00:07:06 - Insights from Asset Inventory and Changing Business Trends
00:11:11 - Improving Office Amenities and Competitiveness in Tech Park
00:14:03 - Reinvestment in Aging Office Buildings
00:16:15 - Evolving Uses in Office and Mixed-Use Developments
00:19:51 - Attracting Diverse Businesses
00:24:00 - Exploring Mixed-Use and Diverse Housing Options
00:27:39 - Mixed-Use Development
00:29:42 - Efficient Residential Density Options
00:33:17 - Trail Connection Around Technology Park Lake
00:40:41 - Evolving City Management through Conferences and Collaboration
00:43:00 - Accessing City Development Information
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Compare them to other jurisdictions to make sure that before
we bring it forward, it truly aligns with where we're
trying to go as a city, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You're listening to Peachtree Corner's Life, a podcast sharing ideas, opinions,
and news about the city of Peachtree Corners, the community
we live in and the people that are your neighbors.
Now your host Rego Figliolini.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Hi, everyone, this is free Goo for Leuillini hosts a
Peatree Corner's Life here in the City of Peace Reordercy
when at County Georgia. I'm here with our Community Development
Director Sean Adams. Hey, Sean, thanks for joining us. Good good.
Before we get started and we're going to be discussing
the land use moratorium that's been effect for almost six months.
(00:52):
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then reach out to them. So let's let's get right
into it. The moratorium is just more than halfway through.
It's going to end of Umber third, and this is
a moratorm on residential new application rezonings in the specific
(01:37):
area and central business in the Central Business District. So
at some point there were so many things coming in
and so many applications coming in, so many people taking
somewhat advantage of, you know, wanting to do what they
want to do, that the city decided to stop and
put a moratorium on applica on new applications to say, well,
(02:00):
I think we need to look at this, change a
few things, maybe have some public hearings, focus groups, and
come back and add to that land use Plan, which
is a think a great thing you all have done.
That's going to end November third, and there's a public
hearing that's going to be coming up for public comment
(02:20):
I think Thursday, October third, between six and a pm
at City Hall. So we'll get into that. But I
want Sean John, if you wouldn't mind explaining a little
bit about why the moratorium briefly was put in place
and where you all, you know, where the city's at,
but the timeline has been actually moving forward on.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
That sure thing.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So as you indicated the central Business district, just to
help people out, if you really think from Holcomb Bridge
Road up one into the Forum Town Center area, that's
kind of our central business district area right.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
This plan within.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
That is really going to focus on our commercial office
portion of it, so Tech Park, Spaulding Triangle, Corners Parkway,
those areas up and around one forty one, and you know,
about four months in and what we've kind of done
so far, you know, one of the biggest things that
we've done is an asset inventory. We really took a
(03:17):
look at our underutilized spaces, vacancy rates, condition assessments, what
approvals or redevelopments have occurred so far or maybe haven't
come out of the ground yet. Looked at our existing
proposed trails. You know, we have a trail study. We
have some that are already in design and you know,
underway or built, but we have others proposed. But those
(03:37):
proposals are largely based off of where we kind of
have a path of least resistance through properties are easements,
but as redevelopments come into play, there can be opportunities
to maybe realign the trail, so it makes more sense
based off what's coming down in the future. And so
first couple of months took a lot of time taking
a look at that and understanding where we are. We
(03:57):
looked at about one hundred commercial office buildings, so that
was good feedback to use for now and in the future.
August September we had a couple of focus groups. One
of the first ones we did was with the combination
of some of our sixteen board members from Planning Commission
and our two authorities are Downtown Development Authority and our
Redevelopment Authority. And what's great about their feedback is not
(04:20):
only do they have a level of industry expertise that
runs the gamut from real estate to finance to development
to engineering, but they're all residents who care about seeing
how our city moves forward. And so that was a
good group. We had about eighteen in total there, which
for a focus group is a good size. Our consultants
kind of ran that meeting. We showed them our map
(04:43):
of the asset inventory that we did, kind of used
that as a jumping off point, and then we turned
around a few weeks later and did the same with
some of our brokers and office owners in the area
that do a lot of business here to help kind
of learn what are they hearing, you know, whether they're
broker who's representing a building for sale or they're representing
(05:04):
tenants looking to Lisa and understanding when they're showing buildings
with their tenants, why are they choosing here versus why
are they going to Alpharetta or somewhere else? What's missing?
And so we got a lot of good feedback as
a part of that focus group, and as you've mentioned,
public engagement meeting October third, we're going to take kind
(05:25):
of what we have to date bringing that to them.
It will be in Council Chambers from six to eight pm.
It's an open house style and you know, so just
kind of help everybody out with that. We will have
represent representatives check them in, kind of give them a
one page if you will, of what we have.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
What they're going to see.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Using council chambers will be great because we have the
TVs down the sides where we'll have that map up
so no matter where they are in the room, they
can see the map. We'll probably have four to six stations,
each one kind of representing a different subsection, if you will,
of the central business district, and we'll have both staff
and consultant representation at each of those so that people
(06:05):
can come in, they can ask questions about what they're seeing.
We'll have boards there and if you remember, during the
complaint update process about two years ago, are a little
less than two years ago, people were able to put
dots in provide feedback based off a certain question. So
you know, one of the benefits of Kimley Horn being
(06:27):
our consultant on the small area plan is they were
also the consultants on the complaint, so they have all
of that data that the public gave previously. So one
of the things we wanted to do is as a
refresher as well, is say here's what you said eighteen
to twenty four months ago as it relates to the
actual business district. Here is what the business community has
(06:48):
said through our broker owner thinkerscrips or other fingerscroups we
did this time. What do you see what has changed
for you in the last eighteen to twenty four months
based off of the feedback provided or for those of
you who weren't either in the community at that time
or for whatever reason weren't able to be a part
of those sessions, your input come in as well. So
(07:08):
this is building upon the input that we had and
helping understand what's changed. And by having that data there,
I think it's good for the community to see, oh, yeah,
this is what we thought back then. I agree with
that still, or you know what, based off of you
know xyz, I think it should be something different and
here's my input, And so we can bring all that
(07:29):
together and with that we have a good six week
time period before it would be set to go before
Planning Commission in November and Council in December. Both those times,
of course, will be public hearings where the community will
be able to provide additional input as you would in
the typical process.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
All right, So I have a couple of questions that
pop up just because of the discussion here, was there
any surprises you found when you did when your group
did the asset inventory of a hundred buildings, right, because
we all have an impression of what we think is
going on. But were there any surprises that you found
while you were doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You know, there's quite a few that are in of course,
the vacancy aspect of things. The trick is we're using
co star, which may not always be accurate, but kind
of seeing the number of buildings that kind of have
a vacancy rate currently of fifty percent or more, I
would say a surprise in a good way is how
(08:33):
some of these areas naturally kind of blended together in
terms of where we have needs for activation of in
a utilized space. Instead of it being just pockets here
and there, it's actually there's kind of a corners parkway area.
You think about some of the properties over there, there's
there's a lot of parking, small building. So it's kind
of nice to see kind of how these nodes may
(08:54):
have formed throughout that process and know thing is nicely
so how few properties it would take to connect key
pieces of our trail and where some of our hubs
are naturally already starting to take shape to say, okay,
(09:15):
if you know a couple of things go in the
right direction, or if you know we can time these right,
then we can connect key stretches of trail through tech
park that could allow people to run from office to
the forum or you know wherever to their home and.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Not did you find as you were doing those asset inventories.
I don't know how detailed it was, but types of
businesses in there, did you all notice any shift or
difference over the I don't know if even how you
would quantified that necessarily without going back a few years,
(09:52):
but seeing the turnover maybe would be is probably the
better question over the last five six years. Change isn't
the type of business and that inventory.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I mean one of the things we are seeing
in matter of fact, I mean it would jump ahead.
But you know, we've had a recent rezoning, resolving a
split zoning and probably seeing a couple of text amendments
for uses like fitness studio come in. But what we
are seeing is flex office is stronger than a lot
(10:23):
of your traditional office right now. So you have a
lot of smaller businesses who need They don't need a
whole lot of admin office space, you know, a couple
of thousands squir feet, but they might need a space
to house excess inventory or supplies for because there are
a service oriented business that provides our service off site
(10:44):
mechanical contractors, commercial janitor services, things like that, and you know,
an office institutional zoning doesn't do well with that. But
we're seeing flex office space is like a lot of
our one story buildings are where they have that a
mix of office and warehousing that's coming in more, it's
coming in stronger, and so making sure that our code
(11:07):
aligns with that is something and we've also heard that
from the brokers and owners of these are some of
the uses that are coming in.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
To go into the brokers and owners then or maybe
just the brokers for the time being, well mix of both.
What do you what are you hearing from them that
we lack? Let's start there first, from let's say Alpharetta Roswell.
Alfaretta is like one of the biggest tech hubs north
of Atlanta, probably seven hundred companies if that's still a
(11:35):
good number. There are sought ups and tech companies. You know,
obviously that's a competitive space, right, a competition or rival
for us, if you will. So have you you know,
what what are we lacking? Have you heard anything specific?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Some of what I've heard? I mean, I think you
might have seen two in papers of race. The quality
you've heard that a little bit. And so with a
lot of our offer stock it was built in the
eighties and those that have kind of redeveloped over time
or you know, reinvested into the office over time, they're
positioned even better. But you know, having more of that
(12:14):
activation and themnetizing of the surrounding office. So as we
talked earlier about green Space trail connectivity, having some retail
or supporting service base, so like us, maybe a small
fitness studio or something like that where they can work
out during lunch and not have to go up to
(12:35):
Town Center or somewhere else. But having something kind of
central to Tech Park that they can easily get to
or if they want to walk the trail to get
to it on launch just to clear their head for
an hour. Having that is something that you know, we're
hearing we could use and put us in better competition.
But the other part of it is too some of
(12:56):
the buildings and you know, seeing them. Part of what
we did is we assess the build the property by
looking at the parking, the signs, the landscaping, and the
building because we can understand how based off of how
each ooner is investing in that building, you know, are
they in ramp up mode of trying to pull tenants
(13:18):
end or are they in maintenance mode and being able
to understand where that building is and it's real estate
life cycle or that property is can kind of help
us better plan for how can we preserve it and
enhance it and stabilize it for the long term.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So are you seeing I'm thinking intuitive robotics right. They're
moving along, their constructions being done. I think the parking
deck is. I don't know if it's complete, but you
know everything's moving along there. For example, modern new looking
some of the some of the buildings are moving to
renovate right at the outside of it, new monument signs. Also,
(13:54):
I've noticed as I drive through Tech Park and some
of the other areas. But is that is that something
that you're seeing too, like an outward visible change to
the buildings? You know because driving to work, you know
a lot of people were working remote, some people you know,
(14:16):
a bunch of people are working. Its hybrid also want
to you want to enjoy where you're working. And some
of these old buildings are really old buildings, Like you said,
eighties and seventies, we feel like you're going back in
time almost in some of these buildings. But are you
seeing a reinvestment, a larger reinvestment than you all thought
(14:36):
coming in? That's difficult. It's they're not rezoning or filing
an sup or something, so they have to file a
permit to do certain things. But are you are you
seeing things more than you thought?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
We're seeing some in various places. Again, I think the
flex office building stock is doing it more and more,
and so those office buildings that are one story, roll
up doors in the back, they're going well, they're leasing
up some of the mid rise office where it's it's
really honestly a mix. We've had a couple of corporate
(15:09):
locations to come in recently, which has been good and
has taken up some space in those areas, and that's helpful.
I would say it's largely stagnant. But part of that
right now was you know what the cost is to
you know, bringing building up. You know that they're having
to get Some of what we've heard from brokers is, hey,
if we've got to get a building and spend one
(15:31):
hundred plus a foot on it to get it to
two hundred a foot, then it's hard to get the
rents to justify that cost, and that's kind of what
puts it in maintenance mode. And so part of what we
asked was, Okay, how can we amenitize around you to
bring something in to make it easier to invest into
that property so that you can justify the rents, because
(15:53):
if you have the amenities, then you can probably get
the rents as well. And so that's part of what
we're hoping to identify out of this planet, is where
we can make some of those adjustments. I'm also hoping
that rate cuts make it easier for them to want
to invest. Right, So I feel I feel like every
other week we hear companies are bringing people back to
(16:14):
the office. You know, remote work is here to stay.
And I think until that pendulum kind of settles down
in the middle, it's just gonna it's going to be
a state of flux.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Okay, the yeah, the rights, I mean half point drop.
Who knows of next year being another half point drop
next quarter, well the quarter after. But yeah, and I
think the market, I mean, from what I say anyway,
from what I'm hearing right, the market has accepted it already.
I think they've already worked it in. But who's an economist?
(16:46):
The eponymous don't even know sometimes what's going on. It's
like the stock market, people say, well drop five funship points.
Why did it? It's like no particular reason people are
covering shorts. Maybe you know, it's just like or whatever.
The the new uses I know that as you would
talk about like fitness places and stuff, are you what
(17:11):
type of new uses are you seeing that the city
has to sort of work into the into the regulations
that don't exist, like that's not enumerated out there of the.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Specifically, so using fitness studio as an example, we have
health and fitness centers and are co currently and they're
in C two and that typically is your La fitnesses
things of that nature. And so when you think about
Stretch Lab and Crood Therapy and Alloy Personal Training and
some of those ones that you see in the forum,
(17:43):
they can go in under that already because it's a
C two or it's a mixed use development, but C
two uses are allowed in there. What we're finding is
some of our buildings that are office buildings, how they
zoned Oh and I we're zoned in one. Those uses
aren't contemplated because it's they tend to be retail heavy,
but on a smaller scale, four thousand square foot fitness
(18:04):
studio or you know, CrossFit box or something like that
may be a good amenity to put in the main
floor of an office building to you know, support the
tenants out of there. But our code was allowing for it.
So as we identify some of those uses, we're trying
to make sure that, Okay, we're not opening a Pandora's
box of allowing them to go somewhere where they don't
(18:25):
make sense, but as long as they're accessory and supporting
to the overall office environment, then we want to allow that.
So that's one great example, and that's why that one
was put in there. The kind of social hobbyists clubs
that you've seen. You know, we've talked a little bit
about the car storage car club, We've seen other I've
(18:46):
seen golf simulator clubs come in that kind of blend
business club environment but have that simulator component to it.
I've seen those in different jurisdictions and just wanting to
make sure that if it's something that fits in an
office building as it currently stands and can be you know,
a supporting amenity and drawing attraction to the tenants, there.
(19:06):
They want to make sure our code allows for it,
because that's only going to help them lease with.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Us, right.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I think we at some point talked about I think
Brian Johnson and I at some point talked about, well
at least I brought it up about uses a larger.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Use if you will.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I'm always thinking that there's five hundred acres there, and
like you said before, just because of the nature of
the beast, some things evolved, these nodes are created, and
such is there? You know, is there even thought or
discussion have you heard from brokers bringing in larger campus
(19:44):
type development into an area like you know, I mean GSU,
for example, has several satellite campuses throughout the city when
in Dumbwitody, for example, Georgia Tech has done that I
think a UGA in several ways places or and that's
just education helps like that. Has that ever come up
(20:06):
or even has because we're autonomous vehicle you know, autonomous
smart city focused. There's also what is it like to biofabrication,
pharmaceutical companies those types of companies, you know, just a
different Have you heard anything or has anyone talked about that,
(20:28):
like diversifying the type of businesses here in the city.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
The standpoint, our team is certainly looking out there and
trying to attract whether it's suppliers to some of our
existing you know, companies that are here in the area,
the intuitives of the world, people of that nature, also
life sciences, you know, those types of groups. Certainly wanting
to try to attract them in where we can using
(20:55):
curiosity lab and what we do there to maintain that
technology focus a tech park.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
We don't want to lose that where we are, so we're.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Hoping that by doing more and maybe even looking at
opportunities for the testing that goes on a curiosity lab,
thinking about it on a larger scale than you know,
a test track or a facility, but where our opportunities
to partner with businesses within the area to test certain
technologies maybe on their property or around it, that type
(21:26):
of thing.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I mean, I'm not in the middle of that every day.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
That's more kind of the ac DEV side, but I
certainly touch it and support it where I can. I
haven't had people kicking tires on it recently from that standpoint,
but I think certainly I know Georgia Tech teaches some
classes up here already. You know, any opportunity to you know,
(21:51):
bring institutional in that supports the businesses around or kind
of supplier accessory users do some of our larger corporations
that are here. That's definitely a focus of our economic reality.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Okay, does move away from that a little bit? Did
the moratorium include doing changeing some regulations with regard to
actual development, like you know, like the actual building of
buildings or the actual renovation of buildings where we have
an opportunity if someone comes in for a special use
(22:23):
permit or for redevelopment to say, Okay, I think we've
learned something over the last two years. Maybe we want more.
You know, if there's going to be residential component to something,
we want to make sure that I don't know, it's
LED certified or it's individually wired units. I know that's
part of some of the zoning. But is any of
(22:45):
that being revisited.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Certainly, I mean one of the things that I mean,
the small area plane itself is going to be focused
on kind of the nodes and maybe what goes there
generally speaking. But what I've talked with the consultants about
is as we identify gaps in our code to be
able to achieve what we're trying to through the plan
recommendations for text amendments in that regard is important as well,
(23:10):
and that goes to the regulation just from the building side.
I mean, one of the things you know, I kind
of intentionally did with a couple of the development proposals
that came through recently was get a little more specific
on the elevations and especially elevations that touch or have
visibility to public ride away to ensure that we can
(23:32):
as closely as we can get it to come out
of the ground as it looks on paper. You know,
we want to be able to do that because if
you're selling a vision, we want that vision to be
reality and not you know, an alternate universe of it
kind of thing. So I've done that high print you
of conditions where I can to the because when you
put it in code right, you might find yourself in
(23:54):
an unintended consequence of not flexibility were but we are
intentional about that. I will say, we'll probably see a
couple of new zoning districts come out of this to
kind of help bring us up to what the market
is really looking for. For example, we have one mixed
use development in our code right now, and it's three uses,
(24:15):
it's thirty two plus units and acre. The way the
uses are identified is office, residential, and retail. We've kind
of interpreted public uses such as a trail as a
use in previous districts, and that may make sense for
a kind of downtown or where you need a ton
of residential to support the retail because it's a retail
(24:37):
heavy center like town Center in the Forum, but it
may not make sense in tech park where you're.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Activating a utilized space.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So looking at more of maybe say a commercial mixed
use where it stays commercial heavy, you're present preserving the office.
The redevelopment of any retail and or residential that exists
is more supporting and success thory, or you know, in
supporting to the commercial property creating an opportunity for that
(25:07):
where it might make sense. And then also, we don't
have a code that allows for a mix of housing
types under one subdivision if you will, or development. So
for instance, Whenette County has a traditional neighborhood development zoning
district where you can have a mix of town homes
to three different lot size single family detached home under
(25:28):
one development and you know part of what we're seeing
now we need we're clamoring for built for equity product
where redevelopment city we don't have big swassa green space
to be able to develop the state size subdivisions on anymore.
So how can we be creative about the space that
we have the infill opportunities we have to put, you know,
(25:50):
developments on there that attract the buyers that we need.
You know, we're we need housing for seniors. We've heard
them say, look, I want empty nesters housing, but I
still want.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
To own it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Okay, so we want to find that product type for you.
I've heard a phrase first stroller generation recently. So you
got young professionals, but then as they get married and
they have that first baby to push them, that first stroller,
their thoughts on what their home life is going to
be as different than you know, the young professional. Maybe
it is still single or married without kids. And so
(26:22):
how do you create those opportunities for them at an
attainable price point? And you have certain fixed costs and
construction that you can't control, and so one way you
can control it is being creative about setbacks a lot, sizes,
density and things of that nature. And so looking for
opportunities to allow for that. So we don't have just
(26:44):
a bunch of town homes either coming in. How can
we mix product types into smaller infield developments, getting the
density that somebody may need to justify the product or
the project, while providing a product that the market's.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Actually looking for. So I think that's something it.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Was the you know obviously that that makes sense to me.
There's different needs, right, Different age groups have different needs,
like you said, and some of them may not want
the large land, but they may want I've seen developments like,
for example, I think it was triloth Georgia, that's where
the big studio is, right, and some other places similar
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to that where you have you do have some mix
of housing where it's town homes. It's sort of single
family also on really small plot of land, but big
enough for you know, for a family. But it's still separate, right,
separate pieces for some people might say it's on postage
size of land, but they have a backyard, and they
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might have even four bedrooms in that house, oh five
of them with a nice deck.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Let's say.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I know I was in Canada, it was the same way.
It was this development where it was mixed use. And
I walked into this house and it seems small. In
the front it was a one car garage, a two
car garage with a side trends. But it was a
five bedroom house, three stories, beautiful deck on the back.
Small and then a nice, really nice backyard, also small
(28:09):
but nicely down crafts the craftsman style and stuff. I
don't know what that would cost here in the States,
but over there wasn't too bad. So but you need
land to still to do that on right, a mix
of land that makes sense, you know, maybe and maybe
it's not, you know, maybe like the sound houses, but
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there's like you said, activation space maybe within that development,
you know, pocket park or whatever. I mean you're thinking
along those I mean medlock Bridge Roads, for example, is
full of houses on the one side that are these
big lot houses. At some point those may change, I
mean those are I don't know if they're one acre
or two acre lots. I mean they may, you know,
(28:53):
over the next ten to twenty years change and become
something else. Identsity are you looking at that? Is that
some of the because that's within the Central Business District map.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think so after the Hexagon building going down Medlock.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's I think in the twenty forty five updates some
of that has been dubbed village residential to create that
transitional density coming off of town Center and going towards
Spaulding South Opech Street, right, because you have a mix
of towns and smaller a lot of single family subdivisions
there now, and so acknowledging the fact that those one
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and a half two acre older homes may at some
point in time be sought for redevelopment, how do we
want that to book and how can it assimilate, you know,
bringing those two character areas and planning notes together in
a logical flow, and so that has been contemplated there.
But I've also seen some of these developments occur on
twelve to eighteen acre sites, so you don't need forty
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acres thirty acres to do it, and so being able
to create that opportunity in reality, you know, I hate
to say high dense city in that regard because people assume,
you know, multifamily or something you know like that. In
most cases, those developments can do it at ten minute
snaker or less, which is really more of a townhome density,
you know, just like a bunch of townhomes and so
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to me create to me, there's as much of an
architectural benefit and design benefit to that because you're seeing
differing product types as there is to Some people don't
want their wall to be shared with another family. So
even if it's a five foot setback, you know, side setback,
that alone it's effectively a townhome, but that alone to
(30:35):
them feels different for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I've seen that. Anything else that's
with more a term that we should bring up with
discuss otherwise I'd like to move on maybe some of
the stuff that's going on as well.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
The only other thing that I would say that was
probably the biggest a surprise for me was the request
by especially broker owners on where we can coordinate with
the county, especially with fire and things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
So most people don't realize that since.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
We don't have fire inspection, fire marshal and house in
the city that still goes to the county as well
as anything water sewer related and so you know, they
can work in parallel with permitting and things of that nature.
But we are actively working with our building side to
create better coordination with Gwinnett anyway, but hearing that it's
(31:29):
at a point where sometimes it impacts a tenanting in
because they have a tight timeline and when they need
to be up and operational with something that I thought
was great feedback. That's a process thing that we can
work on and push Gwinet on for really is what
it is is pushing Gwinnett on more and seeing how
we can help them turn around their inspections faster and
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keep things moving within the permitting side of the house.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, that is great here. I never thought about that.
You're right. I mean, it's just like that's outside the
city's responsibility at this point. But cutting the red and
tape would be good, right, any other surprising stuff that you.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Found and the and the we're almost surprising, Not not really.
I think there's a lot of stuff that we we've
heard more in just getting more of that kind of
consensus within that kind of helps understand the direction of
where we want to go. But I think I think
it's shaping out nicely. I think the community will. I
(32:30):
look forward to more of their feedback and really if
anything being able Since I wasn't on staff when the
update happened two years ago, but being a resident. I
attended a couple of those myself. I really look forward
to seeing to the extent that there are changes in
the thought process just in the last two years, you know,
from the update to now. I'm really looking forward to
(32:51):
that feedback and seeing how we can implement it into
this proposal and you know, make this time well worth it.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, I'm sure there will be more unique feedback.
I mean, there's a lot more people that have come
in over the last two years, so it will be
interesting moving away from this for a little bit, the
what are the development So what are the things that
are coming up that people should be aware of over
(33:17):
the next two months besides this that you're aware.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So on the new front, I mean, I guess one
last thing I would say that kind of transitioned us
is you know, I know, we talked about twenty five
tech parks out before the thirteen condos, but as a
part of that, they're agreeing to create provide the easement
for a trail connection around that lake. So we already
have existing trail around the astray site. We already have
agreement and principle from other office owners to extend it
(33:47):
through them, which will now connect to this, so this
gets us mostly around Technology Park Lake with that trail.
So just an example of when a redevelopment opportunity comes
in being able to partner with them to get those
other public basing amenities and make it happen faster than
what it would if we had to just pick you go,
piece by piece on our own ground. So that has
(34:09):
been approved and so we'd expect to see that, you know,
take shape.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
That is a conversion.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And then but outside of that, we don't have any
residential developments or anything right now in the pipeline. What
is upcoming on council next week is a second read
on the text amendment for the townhome District, the RGH
Residential Townhome District. Currently the density on his eight units
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and acre, we're proposing to go to ten unitsnaker, which
is consistent with what Gwenett County does and they've done
for a few years. I've seen it in other jurisdictions,
and you know, it's an up to So it's a
situation where we're in a position where we need housing
stock where we can. We're clamoring for bill for equity
housing stock where we can. So in certain situations where
(34:58):
if a couple lecture units and acre make the difference
from a developer saying this site only works if it's
multi family versus this site could work as townhomes then,
you know, or a built for equity product, then we
want to provide that opportunity to consider it. Just because
(35:18):
it says ten minutes nacre, though it doesn't mean council
has to thumbs up ten units an acre. They can say, well,
on this particular property, eight units snaker makes sense. So
but it's a tool in the toolbox that can be used.
And so that's that's coming before them. We have a
pawn shop sup which will be located. It's the same
(35:40):
class as Tortugas on Hoping Bridge, just north of Cricket Creek, right,
And so that's an shup for that they've been in.
They have a business existing in Tucker. They've been in
an operation there for ten years, no issues and no reports.
They predominantly a jewelry reseller. Really listen too kind of
(36:00):
the product of what they're looking to do. The applicant
even indicate in the Planning Commission when questions about crime
and concerns that came up to say that they made
a decision a long time ago not to accept tools
or anything like that because it's really hard to track
and to ensure that it's legitimately brought in. And so
they limit themselves predominantly to nicer jewelry stones, things of
(36:25):
that nature. And so they're coming before us for that
SUP with council. Any commission had recommended approval, and then
we had Planning Commission. Last month we had in home
get daycare SUP and so that'll be first read next
week in Council and it'll go before on a second
read in public hearing in October.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
In and daycare, yes, daycare like so take care of
children's staycare.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's a children's daycare, but they're calf that up to
six kids and so and it's kind of you know,
have a quick PSA opportunity on this. Really, the SUP
is an SUP for customary home occupation. So Section six
O seven of our code is for customer home occupations.
And most people don't realize this, but the way it's
(37:14):
set up is any home based business that provides a
service on or adjacent to the premises, or conducts a
sale transaction on the premises, it has to have an
SUP and all of them are technically limited to trip
counts of up the six per day. So that's really
what this is an SUP for. It's for customery home occupation.
(37:37):
It's just that the occupation isn't in home daycare, so they're.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
So similar if it was a hand salon, if you will,
someone was doing hair salon type work, if you will,
in a home, because I've seen that sometimes on through
Quinnett County when they yeah, so okay, So that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Air salons, music teachers who get their lessons on property.
If you're an accountant and you have people meet in
your home, that is a service, your consulting service is
being provided on site.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Therefore, technically you have an SUP.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
So we know that this probably goes on a lot
undetected unfortunately, but that is kind of where we are
with it, and so that's that's why they're there. Before us,
there was a in home daycare in the same neighborhood
recently where that person stopped doing it, and this one's
kind of picking it up. They're doing it under bright
from the start, and so that one prior to actually
(38:35):
didn't have an SUP. Came in before that was a
requirement and so it was kind of grandfathered and if
you will, so they're they're following the process and going
through that, so we will see that in October.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
It will be first right next week.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
And then the last thing is actually not as much zoning,
but it's zoning adjacent, which is the social recreation facility.
So if you remember we had that acidently go through
an april on the zoning side where it's kind of
dealing with like the racing simulators, you know, anybody any
type of business like that. So adding that to the
(39:11):
alcohol ordinance so that it aligns with the zoning code.
So people will see that ordinance first read next week
and public hearing on it in October.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
But that includes stuff like it's that well I mean
VR stuff and that type stuff las A tag or
scape rooms I guess because that's there's no particular zoning
for that. I don't think right would that work with
the right.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
So right now what you see most common is indoor
recreation facility. But the way that is commonly defined is
that the food and beverage is clearly incidental to the
rerec facility. So when nitro zone was here, or when
you go to a top golf or Mario and Trettie racing,
that type of thing. The facility is taken up so
much by the w rec aspect that the food is smaller.
(40:01):
But you're seeing post COVID response again, you're seeing more
businesses doing smaller footprints, and so by virtue of that,
their alcohol sales might be more than the twenty thirty
percent you're typically seeing code for the bigger ones, but
they don't go over fifty percent, which is usually that
kind of big line. And so our code not only
did it contemplate it in zoning, but also didn't contemplate
(40:24):
the license for it in alcohol.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
And so the.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Alcohol portion of it's now coming through, which aligns with
the zoning that was to adopt it back in at
the april.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Right cool, So it's never ending. City has to constantly
keep evolving and working and finding new things that they
have to attend to. Right.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
We Actually we actually maintaining a list potentially as we
come across things, we maintain a list of text amendments
to take a look at, and then ultimately what we
do is we research them, compare them to other jurisdictions
to make sure that before we bring it forward, it
truly aligned with where we're trying to go as a
city and doesn't have an unattended consequence, but it's definitely
(41:05):
ever evolving situation.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
So I'm curious the Yeah, every industry has a conference
or trade show, you know, the do cities management have
like trade shows where they can go to and find
out what all the cities are doing across the country.
Is there such a thing that do you do compare?
You might find new things that you never thought about
(41:29):
even so I would say yes by department.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
And so actually last week I was at the City
County Institute for Georgia, which is where we get our
cls and we get everything there from the dues and
don't so what you know, other jurisdictions have experienced recent
case law decisions and the impact of that on our
jurisdiction ordinance amendments, the dues and don'ts of that, so
(41:53):
we get it from that's the legal side of what
I do as well. But we have planners associated, we
have city county managers both at the state and federal level,
so we certainly have opportunities. If anything, you almost have
to be strategic about the ones you do attend. Sure,
because you can get to have too many and so
(42:14):
we really try to look at that to be to
make sure that.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
It's giving a good return on investment when we go
for sure. I mean, there's a lot of cities around here,
John's Creek for Rider Rosweld that are doing a lot
of different things. Also, they're all trying to figure out
like we are right trying to figure out what's best
for the city, for who we are and stuff. So
interesting process, so let's not forget that. October Then Thursday,
(42:39):
October third, six to eight at City Hall is the
public meeting about the changes to the land news plan
for the Central Business Districts. If you have any questions,
I'm sure Sean Adams would love to handle some of those.
So you can put comments as you watch this into
(43:02):
Facebook or YouTuber you're at and I'll make sure the
Sean gets those. We'll have links in the show notes
as well on the website to some of these meeting
agendas that you all can can look at. Anything else,
Sean before we wrap up that you'd like to share.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
The only other thing that I would encourage everybody to
do is go take a look at our website. The
Commune Development Side we've made some changes recently and happy
to get those over to you so that you can
share them. But we have now all of our current
land uses are on the page, and pretty much anybody
you can get to that page from anywhere, whether it's
the agenda site on our main page of the button,
(43:41):
so you can. When you go into current land use pages,
you can see the application, you can see a site
plan if one was needed, elevations, if it's a redevelopment,
you can see the staff report once it's posted, and
then once it's adopted, it goes to an archived section
on that same page. Take a look at that so
they can understand how the development gets through. And at
the bottom of that page we have a couple of
(44:02):
different flow charts. So depending on how you like to
take in information, I think we pretty well run the
game and all that for you.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
I think we have an article on living in Pastreecorners
dot com, so if you all visit that, you'll see
that as well, and I'll have links to that. So
it's a great site. I mean, way way more not
that it wasn't transparent before, but way much more easier
to find everything all in one place, So check that out,
Sean hanging there with me for a second. I just
(44:30):
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Compare them to other jurisdictions to make sure that before
we bring it forward, it truly aligns with where we're
trying to go as a city, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You're listening to Peachtree Corner's Life, a podcast sharing ideas, opinions,
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Hi, everyone, this is free Goo for Leuillini hosts a
Peatree Corner's Life here in the City of Peace Reordercy
when at County Georgia. I'm here with our Community Development
Director Sean Adams. Hey, Sean, thanks for joining us. Good good.
Before we get started and we're going to be discussing
the land use moratorium that's been effect for almost six months.
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then reach out to them. So let's let's get right
into it. The moratorium is just more than halfway through.
It's going to end of Umber third, and this is
a moratorm on residential new application rezonings in the specific
(01:37):
area and central business in the Central Business District. So
at some point there were so many things coming in
and so many applications coming in, so many people taking
somewhat advantage of, you know, wanting to do what they
want to do, that the city decided to stop and
put a moratorium on applica on new applications to say, well,
(02:00):
I think we need to look at this, change a
few things, maybe have some public hearings, focus groups, and
come back and add to that land use Plan, which
is a think a great thing you all have done.
That's going to end November third, and there's a public
hearing that's going to be coming up for public comment
(02:20):
I think Thursday, October third, between six and a pm
at City Hall. So we'll get into that. But I
want Sean John, if you wouldn't mind explaining a little
bit about why the moratorium briefly was put in place
and where you all, you know, where the city's at,
but the timeline has been actually moving forward on.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
That sure thing.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So as you indicated the central Business district, just to
help people out, if you really think from Holcomb Bridge
Road up one into the Forum Town Center area, that's
kind of our central business district area right.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
This plan within.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
That is really going to focus on our commercial office
portion of it, so Tech Park, Spaulding Triangle, Corners Parkway,
those areas up and around one forty one, and you know,
about four months in and what we've kind of done
so far, you know, one of the biggest things that
we've done is an asset inventory. We really took a
(03:17):
look at our underutilized spaces, vacancy rates, condition assessments, what
approvals or redevelopments have occurred so far or maybe haven't
come out of the ground yet. Looked at our existing
proposed trails. You know, we have a trail study. We
have some that are already in design and you know,
underway or built, but we have others proposed. But those
(03:37):
proposals are largely based off of where we kind of
have a path of least resistance through properties are easements,
but as redevelopments come into play, there can be opportunities
to maybe realign the trail, so it makes more sense
based off what's coming down in the future. And so
first couple of months took a lot of time taking
a look at that and understanding where we are. We
(03:57):
looked at about one hundred commercial office buildings, so that
was good feedback to use for now and in the future.
August September we had a couple of focus groups. One
of the first ones we did was with the combination
of some of our sixteen board members from Planning Commission
and our two authorities are Downtown Development Authority and our
Redevelopment Authority. And what's great about their feedback is not
(04:20):
only do they have a level of industry expertise that
runs the gamut from real estate to finance to development
to engineering, but they're all residents who care about seeing
how our city moves forward. And so that was a
good group. We had about eighteen in total there, which
for a focus group is a good size. Our consultants
kind of ran that meeting. We showed them our map
(04:43):
of the asset inventory that we did, kind of used
that as a jumping off point, and then we turned
around a few weeks later and did the same with
some of our brokers and office owners in the area
that do a lot of business here to help kind
of learn what are they hearing, you know, whether they're
broker who's representing a building for sale or they're representing
(05:04):
tenants looking to Lisa and understanding when they're showing buildings
with their tenants, why are they choosing here versus why
are they going to Alpharetta or somewhere else? What's missing?
And so we got a lot of good feedback as
a part of that focus group, and as you've mentioned,
public engagement meeting October third, we're going to take kind
(05:25):
of what we have to date bringing that to them.
It will be in Council Chambers from six to eight pm.
It's an open house style and you know, so just
kind of help everybody out with that. We will have
represent representatives check them in, kind of give them a
one page if you will, of what we have.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
What they're going to see.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Using council chambers will be great because we have the
TVs down the sides where we'll have that map up
so no matter where they are in the room, they
can see the map. We'll probably have four to six stations,
each one kind of representing a different subsection, if you will,
of the central business district, and we'll have both staff
and consultant representation at each of those so that people
(06:05):
can come in, they can ask questions about what they're seeing.
We'll have boards there and if you remember, during the
complaint update process about two years ago, are a little
less than two years ago, people were able to put
dots in provide feedback based off a certain question. So
you know, one of the benefits of Kimley Horn being
(06:27):
our consultant on the small area plan is they were
also the consultants on the complaint, so they have all
of that data that the public gave previously. So one
of the things we wanted to do is as a
refresher as well, is say here's what you said eighteen
to twenty four months ago as it relates to the
actual business district. Here is what the business community has
(06:48):
said through our broker owner thinkerscrips or other fingerscroups we
did this time. What do you see what has changed
for you in the last eighteen to twenty four months
based off of the feedback provided or for those of
you who weren't either in the community at that time
or for whatever reason weren't able to be a part
of those sessions, your input come in as well. So
(07:08):
this is building upon the input that we had and
helping understand what's changed. And by having that data there,
I think it's good for the community to see, oh, yeah,
this is what we thought back then. I agree with
that still, or you know what, based off of you
know xyz, I think it should be something different and
here's my input, And so we can bring all that
(07:29):
together and with that we have a good six week
time period before it would be set to go before
Planning Commission in November and Council in December. Both those times,
of course, will be public hearings where the community will
be able to provide additional input as you would in
the typical process.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
All right, So I have a couple of questions that
pop up just because of the discussion here, was there
any surprises you found when you did when your group
did the asset inventory of a hundred buildings, right, because
we all have an impression of what we think is
going on. But were there any surprises that you found
while you were doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You know, there's quite a few that are in of course,
the vacancy aspect of things. The trick is we're using
co star, which may not always be accurate, but kind
of seeing the number of buildings that kind of have
a vacancy rate currently of fifty percent or more, I
would say a surprise in a good way is how
(08:33):
some of these areas naturally kind of blended together in
terms of where we have needs for activation of in
a utilized space. Instead of it being just pockets here
and there, it's actually there's kind of a corners parkway area.
You think about some of the properties over there, there's
there's a lot of parking, small building. So it's kind
of nice to see kind of how these nodes may
(08:54):
have formed throughout that process and know thing is nicely
so how few properties it would take to connect key
pieces of our trail and where some of our hubs
are naturally already starting to take shape to say, okay,
(09:15):
if you know a couple of things go in the
right direction, or if you know we can time these right,
then we can connect key stretches of trail through tech
park that could allow people to run from office to
the forum or you know wherever to their home and.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Not did you find as you were doing those asset inventories.
I don't know how detailed it was, but types of
businesses in there, did you all notice any shift or
difference over the I don't know if even how you
would quantified that necessarily without going back a few years,
(09:52):
but seeing the turnover maybe would be is probably the
better question over the last five six years. Change isn't
the type of business and that inventory.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I mean one of the things we are seeing
in matter of fact, I mean it would jump ahead.
But you know, we've had a recent rezoning, resolving a
split zoning and probably seeing a couple of text amendments
for uses like fitness studio come in. But what we
are seeing is flex office is stronger than a lot
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of your traditional office right now. So you have a
lot of smaller businesses who need They don't need a
whole lot of admin office space, you know, a couple
of thousands squir feet, but they might need a space
to house excess inventory or supplies for because there are
a service oriented business that provides our service off site
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mechanical contractors, commercial janitor services, things like that, and you know,
an office institutional zoning doesn't do well with that. But
we're seeing flex office space is like a lot of
our one story buildings are where they have that a
mix of office and warehousing that's coming in more, it's
coming in stronger, and so making sure that our code
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aligns with that is something and we've also heard that
from the brokers and owners of these are some of
the uses that are coming in.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
To go into the brokers and owners then or maybe
just the brokers for the time being, well mix of both.
What do you what are you hearing from them that
we lack? Let's start there first, from let's say Alpharetta Roswell.
Alfaretta is like one of the biggest tech hubs north
of Atlanta, probably seven hundred companies if that's still a
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good number. There are sought ups and tech companies. You know,
obviously that's a competitive space, right, a competition or rival
for us, if you will. So have you you know,
what what are we lacking? Have you heard anything specific?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Some of what I've heard? I mean, I think you
might have seen two in papers of race. The quality
you've heard that a little bit. And so with a
lot of our offer stock it was built in the
eighties and those that have kind of redeveloped over time
or you know, reinvested into the office over time, they're
positioned even better. But you know, having more of that
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activation and themnetizing of the surrounding office. So as we
talked earlier about green Space trail connectivity, having some retail
or supporting service base, so like us, maybe a small
fitness studio or something like that where they can work
out during lunch and not have to go up to
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Town Center or somewhere else. But having something kind of
central to Tech Park that they can easily get to
or if they want to walk the trail to get
to it on launch just to clear their head for
an hour. Having that is something that you know, we're
hearing we could use and put us in better competition.
But the other part of it is too some of
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the buildings and you know, seeing them. Part of what
we did is we assess the build the property by
looking at the parking, the signs, the landscaping, and the
building because we can understand how based off of how
each ooner is investing in that building, you know, are
they in ramp up mode of trying to pull tenants
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end or are they in maintenance mode and being able
to understand where that building is and it's real estate
life cycle or that property is can kind of help
us better plan for how can we preserve it and
enhance it and stabilize it for the long term.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So are you seeing I'm thinking intuitive robotics right. They're
moving along, their constructions being done. I think the parking
deck is. I don't know if it's complete, but you
know everything's moving along there. For example, modern new looking
some of the some of the buildings are moving to
renovate right at the outside of it, new monument signs. Also,
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I've noticed as I drive through Tech Park and some
of the other areas. But is that is that something
that you're seeing too, like an outward visible change to
the buildings? You know because driving to work, you know
a lot of people were working remote, some people you know,
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a bunch of people are working. Its hybrid also want
to you want to enjoy where you're working. And some
of these old buildings are really old buildings, Like you said,
eighties and seventies, we feel like you're going back in
time almost in some of these buildings. But are you
seeing a reinvestment, a larger reinvestment than you all thought
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coming in? That's difficult. It's they're not rezoning or filing
an sup or something, so they have to file a
permit to do certain things. But are you are you
seeing things more than you thought?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
We're seeing some in various places. Again, I think the
flex office building stock is doing it more and more,
and so those office buildings that are one story, roll
up doors in the back, they're going well, they're leasing
up some of the mid rise office where it's it's
really honestly a mix. We've had a couple of corporate
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locations to come in recently, which has been good and
has taken up some space in those areas, and that's helpful.
I would say it's largely stagnant. But part of that
right now was you know what the cost is to
you know, bringing building up. You know that they're having
to get Some of what we've heard from brokers is, hey,
if we've got to get a building and spend one
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hundred plus a foot on it to get it to
two hundred a foot, then it's hard to get the
rents to justify that cost, and that's kind of what
puts it in maintenance mode. And so part of what we
asked was, Okay, how can we amenitize around you to
bring something in to make it easier to invest into
that property so that you can justify the rents, because
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if you have the amenities, then you can probably get
the rents as well. And so that's part of what
we're hoping to identify out of this planet, is where
we can make some of those adjustments. I'm also hoping
that rate cuts make it easier for them to want
to invest. Right, So I feel I feel like every
other week we hear companies are bringing people back to
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the office. You know, remote work is here to stay.
And I think until that pendulum kind of settles down
in the middle, it's just gonna it's going to be
a state of flux.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Okay, the yeah, the rights, I mean half point drop.
Who knows of next year being another half point drop
next quarter, well the quarter after. But yeah, and I
think the market, I mean, from what I say anyway,
from what I'm hearing right, the market has accepted it already.
I think they've already worked it in. But who's an economist?
(16:46):
The eponymous don't even know sometimes what's going on. It's
like the stock market, people say, well drop five funship points.
Why did it? It's like no particular reason people are
covering shorts. Maybe you know, it's just like or whatever.
The the new uses I know that as you would
talk about like fitness places and stuff, are you what
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type of new uses are you seeing that the city
has to sort of work into the into the regulations
that don't exist, like that's not enumerated out there of the.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Specifically, so using fitness studio as an example, we have
health and fitness centers and are co currently and they're
in C two and that typically is your La fitnesses
things of that nature. And so when you think about
Stretch Lab and Crood Therapy and Alloy Personal Training and
some of those ones that you see in the forum,
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they can go in under that already because it's a
C two or it's a mixed use development, but C
two uses are allowed in there. What we're finding is
some of our buildings that are office buildings, how they
zoned Oh and I we're zoned in one. Those uses
aren't contemplated because it's they tend to be retail heavy,
but on a smaller scale, four thousand square foot fitness
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studio or you know, CrossFit box or something like that
may be a good amenity to put in the main
floor of an office building to you know, support the
tenants out of there. But our code was allowing for it.
So as we identify some of those uses, we're trying
to make sure that, Okay, we're not opening a Pandora's
box of allowing them to go somewhere where they don't
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make sense, but as long as they're accessory and supporting
to the overall office environment, then we want to allow that.
So that's one great example, and that's why that one
was put in there. The kind of social hobbyists clubs
that you've seen. You know, we've talked a little bit
about the car storage car club, We've seen other I've
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seen golf simulator clubs come in that kind of blend
business club environment but have that simulator component to it.
I've seen those in different jurisdictions and just wanting to
make sure that if it's something that fits in an
office building as it currently stands and can be you know,
a supporting amenity and drawing attraction to the tenants, there.
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They want to make sure our code allows for it,
because that's only going to help them lease with.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Us, right.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I think we at some point talked about I think
Brian Johnson and I at some point talked about, well
at least I brought it up about uses a larger.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Use if you will.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I'm always thinking that there's five hundred acres there, and
like you said before, just because of the nature of
the beast, some things evolved, these nodes are created, and
such is there? You know, is there even thought or
discussion have you heard from brokers bringing in larger campus
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type development into an area like you know, I mean GSU,
for example, has several satellite campuses throughout the city when
in Dumbwitody, for example, Georgia Tech has done that I
think a UGA in several ways places or and that's
just education helps like that. Has that ever come up
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or even has because we're autonomous vehicle you know, autonomous
smart city focused. There's also what is it like to biofabrication,
pharmaceutical companies those types of companies, you know, just a
different Have you heard anything or has anyone talked about that,
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like diversifying the type of businesses here in the city.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
The standpoint, our team is certainly looking out there and
trying to attract whether it's suppliers to some of our
existing you know, companies that are here in the area,
the intuitives of the world, people of that nature, also
life sciences, you know, those types of groups. Certainly wanting
to try to attract them in where we can using
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curiosity lab and what we do there to maintain that
technology focus a tech park.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
We don't want to lose that where we are, so we're.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Hoping that by doing more and maybe even looking at
opportunities for the testing that goes on a curiosity lab,
thinking about it on a larger scale than you know,
a test track or a facility, but where our opportunities
to partner with businesses within the area to test certain
technologies maybe on their property or around it, that type
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of thing.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I mean, I'm not in the middle of that every day.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
That's more kind of the ac DEV side, but I
certainly touch it and support it where I can. I
haven't had people kicking tires on it recently from that standpoint,
but I think certainly I know Georgia Tech teaches some
classes up here already. You know, any opportunity to you know,
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bring institutional in that supports the businesses around or kind
of supplier accessory users do some of our larger corporations
that are here. That's definitely a focus of our economic reality.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Okay, does move away from that a little bit? Did
the moratorium include doing changeing some regulations with regard to
actual development, like you know, like the actual building of
buildings or the actual renovation of buildings where we have
an opportunity if someone comes in for a special use
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permit or for redevelopment to say, Okay, I think we've
learned something over the last two years. Maybe we want more.
You know, if there's going to be residential component to something,
we want to make sure that I don't know, it's
LED certified or it's individually wired units. I know that's
part of some of the zoning. But is any of
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that being revisited.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Certainly, I mean one of the things that I mean,
the small area plane itself is going to be focused
on kind of the nodes and maybe what goes there
generally speaking. But what I've talked with the consultants about
is as we identify gaps in our code to be
able to achieve what we're trying to through the plan
recommendations for text amendments in that regard is important as well,
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and that goes to the regulation just from the building side.
I mean, one of the things you know, I kind
of intentionally did with a couple of the development proposals
that came through recently was get a little more specific
on the elevations and especially elevations that touch or have
visibility to public ride away to ensure that we can
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as closely as we can get it to come out
of the ground as it looks on paper. You know,
we want to be able to do that because if
you're selling a vision, we want that vision to be
reality and not you know, an alternate universe of it
kind of thing. So I've done that high print you
of conditions where I can to the because when you
put it in code right, you might find yourself in
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an unintended consequence of not flexibility were but we are
intentional about that. I will say, we'll probably see a
couple of new zoning districts come out of this to
kind of help bring us up to what the market
is really looking for. For example, we have one mixed
use development in our code right now, and it's three uses,
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it's thirty two plus units and acre. The way the
uses are identified is office, residential, and retail. We've kind
of interpreted public uses such as a trail as a
use in previous districts, and that may make sense for
a kind of downtown or where you need a ton
of residential to support the retail because it's a retail
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heavy center like town Center in the Forum, but it
may not make sense in tech park where you're.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Activating a utilized space.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So looking at more of maybe say a commercial mixed
use where it stays commercial heavy, you're present preserving the office.
The redevelopment of any retail and or residential that exists
is more supporting and success thory, or you know, in
supporting to the commercial property creating an opportunity for that
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where it might make sense. And then also, we don't
have a code that allows for a mix of housing
types under one subdivision if you will, or development. So
for instance, Whenette County has a traditional neighborhood development zoning
district where you can have a mix of town homes
to three different lot size single family detached home under
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one development and you know part of what we're seeing
now we need we're clamoring for built for equity product
where redevelopment city we don't have big swassa green space
to be able to develop the state size subdivisions on anymore.
So how can we be creative about the space that
we have the infill opportunities we have to put, you know,
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developments on there that attract the buyers that we need.
You know, we're we need housing for seniors. We've heard
them say, look, I want empty nesters housing, but I
still want.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
To own it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Okay, so we want to find that product type for you.
I've heard a phrase first stroller generation recently. So you
got young professionals, but then as they get married and
they have that first baby to push them, that first stroller,
their thoughts on what their home life is going to
be as different than you know, the young professional. Maybe
it is still single or married without kids. And so
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how do you create those opportunities for them at an
attainable price point? And you have certain fixed costs and
construction that you can't control, and so one way you
can control it is being creative about setbacks a lot, sizes,
density and things of that nature. And so looking for
opportunities to allow for that. So we don't have just
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a bunch of town homes either coming in. How can
we mix product types into smaller infield developments, getting the
density that somebody may need to justify the product or
the project, while providing a product that the market's.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Actually looking for. So I think that's something it.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Was the you know obviously that that makes sense to me.
There's different needs, right, Different age groups have different needs,
like you said, and some of them may not want
the large land, but they may want I've seen developments like,
for example, I think it was triloth Georgia, that's where
the big studio is, right, and some other places similar
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to that where you have you do have some mix
of housing where it's town homes. It's sort of single
family also on really small plot of land, but big
enough for you know, for a family. But it's still separate, right,
separate pieces for some people might say it's on postage
size of land, but they have a backyard, and they
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might have even four bedrooms in that house, oh five
of them with a nice deck.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Let's say.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I know I was in Canada, it was the same way.
It was this development where it was mixed use. And
I walked into this house and it seems small. In
the front it was a one car garage, a two
car garage with a side trends. But it was a
five bedroom house, three stories, beautiful deck on the back.
Small and then a nice, really nice backyard, also small
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but nicely down crafts the craftsman style and stuff. I
don't know what that would cost here in the States,
but over there wasn't too bad. So but you need
land to still to do that on right, a mix
of land that makes sense, you know, maybe and maybe
it's not, you know, maybe like the sound houses, but
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there's like you said, activation space maybe within that development,
you know, pocket park or whatever. I mean you're thinking
along those I mean medlock Bridge Roads, for example, is
full of houses on the one side that are these
big lot houses. At some point those may change, I
mean those are I don't know if they're one acre
or two acre lots. I mean they may, you know,
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over the next ten to twenty years change and become
something else. Identsity are you looking at that? Is that
some of the because that's within the Central Business District map.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think so after the Hexagon building going down Medlock.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's I think in the twenty forty five updates some
of that has been dubbed village residential to create that
transitional density coming off of town Center and going towards
Spaulding South Opech Street, right, because you have a mix
of towns and smaller a lot of single family subdivisions
there now, and so acknowledging the fact that those one
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and a half two acre older homes may at some
point in time be sought for redevelopment, how do we
want that to book and how can it assimilate, you know,
bringing those two character areas and planning notes together in
a logical flow, and so that has been contemplated there.
But I've also seen some of these developments occur on
twelve to eighteen acre sites, so you don't need forty
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acres thirty acres to do it, and so being able
to create that opportunity in reality, you know, I hate
to say high dense city in that regard because people assume,
you know, multifamily or something you know like that. In
most cases, those developments can do it at ten minute
snaker or less, which is really more of a townhome density,
you know, just like a bunch of townhomes and so
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to me create to me, there's as much of an
architectural benefit and design benefit to that because you're seeing
differing product types as there is to Some people don't
want their wall to be shared with another family. So
even if it's a five foot setback, you know, side setback,
that alone it's effectively a townhome, but that alone to
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them feels different for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I've seen that. Anything else that's
with more a term that we should bring up with
discuss otherwise I'd like to move on maybe some of
the stuff that's going on as well.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
The only other thing that I would say that was
probably the biggest a surprise for me was the request
by especially broker owners on where we can coordinate with
the county, especially with fire and things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
So most people don't realize that since.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
We don't have fire inspection, fire marshal and house in
the city that still goes to the county as well
as anything water sewer related and so you know, they
can work in parallel with permitting and things of that nature.
But we are actively working with our building side to
create better coordination with Gwinnett anyway, but hearing that it's
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at a point where sometimes it impacts a tenanting in
because they have a tight timeline and when they need
to be up and operational with something that I thought
was great feedback. That's a process thing that we can
work on and push Gwinet on for really is what
it is is pushing Gwinnett on more and seeing how
we can help them turn around their inspections faster and
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keep things moving within the permitting side of the house.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, that is great here. I never thought about that.
You're right. I mean, it's just like that's outside the
city's responsibility at this point. But cutting the red and
tape would be good, right, any other surprising stuff that you.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Found and the and the we're almost surprising, Not not really.
I think there's a lot of stuff that we we've
heard more in just getting more of that kind of
consensus within that kind of helps understand the direction of
where we want to go. But I think I think
it's shaping out nicely. I think the community will. I
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look forward to more of their feedback and really if
anything being able Since I wasn't on staff when the
update happened two years ago, but being a resident. I
attended a couple of those myself. I really look forward
to seeing to the extent that there are changes in
the thought process just in the last two years, you know,
from the update to now. I'm really looking forward to
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that feedback and seeing how we can implement it into
this proposal and you know, make this time well worth it.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, I'm sure there will be more unique feedback.
I mean, there's a lot more people that have come
in over the last two years, so it will be
interesting moving away from this for a little bit, the
what are the development So what are the things that
are coming up that people should be aware of over
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the next two months besides this that you're aware.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So on the new front, I mean, I guess one
last thing I would say that kind of transitioned us
is you know, I know, we talked about twenty five
tech parks out before the thirteen condos, but as a
part of that, they're agreeing to create provide the easement
for a trail connection around that lake. So we already
have existing trail around the astray site. We already have
agreement and principle from other office owners to extend it
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through them, which will now connect to this, so this
gets us mostly around Technology Park Lake with that trail.
So just an example of when a redevelopment opportunity comes
in being able to partner with them to get those
other public basing amenities and make it happen faster than
what it would if we had to just pick you go,
piece by piece on our own ground. So that has
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been approved and so we'd expect to see that, you know,
take shape.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
That is a conversion.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And then but outside of that, we don't have any
residential developments or anything right now in the pipeline. What
is upcoming on council next week is a second read
on the text amendment for the townhome District, the RGH
Residential Townhome District. Currently the density on his eight units
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and acre, we're proposing to go to ten unitsnaker, which
is consistent with what Gwenett County does and they've done
for a few years. I've seen it in other jurisdictions,
and you know, it's an up to So it's a
situation where we're in a position where we need housing
stock where we can. We're clamoring for bill for equity
housing stock where we can. So in certain situations where
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if a couple lecture units and acre make the difference
from a developer saying this site only works if it's
multi family versus this site could work as townhomes then,
you know, or a built for equity product, then we
want to provide that opportunity to consider it. Just because
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it says ten minutes nacre, though it doesn't mean council
has to thumbs up ten units an acre. They can say, well,
on this particular property, eight units snaker makes sense. So
but it's a tool in the toolbox that can be used.
And so that's that's coming before them. We have a
pawn shop sup which will be located. It's the same
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class as Tortugas on Hoping Bridge, just north of Cricket Creek, right,
And so that's an shup for that they've been in.
They have a business existing in Tucker. They've been in
an operation there for ten years, no issues and no reports.
They predominantly a jewelry reseller. Really listen too kind of
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the product of what they're looking to do. The applicant
even indicate in the Planning Commission when questions about crime
and concerns that came up to say that they made
a decision a long time ago not to accept tools
or anything like that because it's really hard to track
and to ensure that it's legitimately brought in. And so
they limit themselves predominantly to nicer jewelry stones, things of
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that nature. And so they're coming before us for that
SUP with council. Any commission had recommended approval, and then
we had Planning Commission. Last month we had in home
get daycare SUP and so that'll be first read next
week in Council and it'll go before on a second
read in public hearing in October.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
In and daycare, yes, daycare like so take care of
children's staycare.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's a children's daycare, but they're calf that up to
six kids and so and it's kind of you know,
have a quick PSA opportunity on this. Really, the SUP
is an SUP for customary home occupation. So Section six
O seven of our code is for customer home occupations.
And most people don't realize this, but the way it's
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set up is any home based business that provides a
service on or adjacent to the premises, or conducts a
sale transaction on the premises, it has to have an
SUP and all of them are technically limited to trip
counts of up the six per day. So that's really
what this is an SUP for. It's for customery home occupation.
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It's just that the occupation isn't in home daycare, so they're.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
So similar if it was a hand salon, if you will,
someone was doing hair salon type work, if you will,
in a home, because I've seen that sometimes on through
Quinnett County when they yeah, so okay, So that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Air salons, music teachers who get their lessons on property.
If you're an accountant and you have people meet in
your home, that is a service, your consulting service is
being provided on site.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Therefore, technically you have an SUP.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
So we know that this probably goes on a lot
undetected unfortunately, but that is kind of where we are
with it, and so that's that's why they're there. Before us,
there was a in home daycare in the same neighborhood
recently where that person stopped doing it, and this one's
kind of picking it up. They're doing it under bright
from the start, and so that one prior to actually
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didn't have an SUP. Came in before that was a
requirement and so it was kind of grandfathered and if
you will, so they're they're following the process and going
through that, so we will see that in October.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
It will be first right next week.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
And then the last thing is actually not as much zoning,
but it's zoning adjacent, which is the social recreation facility.
So if you remember we had that acidently go through
an april on the zoning side where it's kind of
dealing with like the racing simulators, you know, anybody any
type of business like that. So adding that to the
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alcohol ordinance so that it aligns with the zoning code.
So people will see that ordinance first read next week
and public hearing on it in October.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
But that includes stuff like it's that well I mean
VR stuff and that type stuff las A tag or
scape rooms I guess because that's there's no particular zoning
for that. I don't think right would that work with
the right.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
So right now what you see most common is indoor
recreation facility. But the way that is commonly defined is
that the food and beverage is clearly incidental to the
rerec facility. So when nitro zone was here, or when
you go to a top golf or Mario and Trettie racing,
that type of thing. The facility is taken up so
much by the w rec aspect that the food is smaller.
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But you're seeing post COVID response again, you're seeing more
businesses doing smaller footprints, and so by virtue of that,
their alcohol sales might be more than the twenty thirty
percent you're typically seeing code for the bigger ones, but
they don't go over fifty percent, which is usually that
kind of big line. And so our code not only
did it contemplate it in zoning, but also didn't contemplate
(40:24):
the license for it in alcohol.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
And so the.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Alcohol portion of it's now coming through, which aligns with
the zoning that was to adopt it back in at
the april.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Right cool, So it's never ending. City has to constantly
keep evolving and working and finding new things that they
have to attend to. Right.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
We Actually we actually maintaining a list potentially as we
come across things, we maintain a list of text amendments
to take a look at, and then ultimately what we
do is we research them, compare them to other jurisdictions
to make sure that before we bring it forward, it
truly aligned with where we're trying to go as a
city and doesn't have an unattended consequence, but it's definitely
(41:05):
ever evolving situation.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
So I'm curious the Yeah, every industry has a conference
or trade show, you know, the do cities management have
like trade shows where they can go to and find
out what all the cities are doing across the country.
Is there such a thing that do you do compare?
You might find new things that you never thought about
(41:29):
even so I would say yes by department.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
And so actually last week I was at the City
County Institute for Georgia, which is where we get our
cls and we get everything there from the dues and
don't so what you know, other jurisdictions have experienced recent
case law decisions and the impact of that on our
jurisdiction ordinance amendments, the dues and don'ts of that, so
(41:53):
we get it from that's the legal side of what
I do as well. But we have planners associated, we
have city county managers both at the state and federal level,
so we certainly have opportunities. If anything, you almost have
to be strategic about the ones you do attend. Sure,
because you can get to have too many and so
(42:14):
we really try to look at that to be to
make sure that.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
It's giving a good return on investment when we go
for sure. I mean, there's a lot of cities around here,
John's Creek for Rider Rosweld that are doing a lot
of different things. Also, they're all trying to figure out
like we are right trying to figure out what's best
for the city, for who we are and stuff. So
interesting process, so let's not forget that. October Then Thursday,
(42:39):
October third, six to eight at City Hall is the
public meeting about the changes to the land news plan
for the Central Business Districts. If you have any questions,
I'm sure Sean Adams would love to handle some of those.
So you can put comments as you watch this into
(43:02):
Facebook or YouTuber you're at and I'll make sure the
Sean gets those. We'll have links in the show notes
as well on the website to some of these meeting
agendas that you all can can look at. Anything else,
Sean before we wrap up that you'd like to share.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
The only other thing that I would encourage everybody to
do is go take a look at our website. The
Commune Development Side we've made some changes recently and happy
to get those over to you so that you can
share them. But we have now all of our current
land uses are on the page, and pretty much anybody
you can get to that page from anywhere, whether it's
the agenda site on our main page of the button,
(43:41):
so you can. When you go into current land use pages,
you can see the application, you can see a site
plan if one was needed, elevations, if it's a redevelopment,
you can see the staff report once it's posted, and
then once it's adopted, it goes to an archived section
on that same page. Take a look at that so
they can understand how the development gets through. And at
the bottom of that page we have a couple of
(44:02):
different flow charts. So depending on how you like to
take in information, I think we pretty well run the
game and all that for you.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
I think we have an article on living in Pastreecorners
dot com, so if you all visit that, you'll see
that as well, and I'll have links to that. So
it's a great site. I mean, way way more not
that it wasn't transparent before, but way much more easier
to find everything all in one place, So check that out,
Sean hanging there with me for a second. I just
(44:30):
want to say thank you to everyone for joining us.
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(44:51):
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PASTREECORNERSGA dot gov, so go visit them as well. You
can find way more information out there than you need.
Probably it is a portal of information, so you can
get lost in their fine stuff, but check out definitely.
(45:11):
If on that homepage, you'll see the land new stuff,
so check that out. But thank you all for being
with us. Appreciate it. Thank you, Sean, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
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