September 3, 2025 • 31 mins
Join us as we dive deep into Clenice Hunt's incredible book, Rising Above Autism: A Mother's Refusal to Abandon Her Son. This heartfelt conversation explores Clenice's journey through the challenges and triumphs of raising a son with autism, highlighting the importance of faith, relentless love, and the fight against societal misconceptions.
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Now sit back and strap in because on the line
with us today we.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Have the impressive Clinice Hunt and we're going to be
discussing Clinese's incredible book, Rising Above Autism, a Mother's refusal
to abandon her son.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
People.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Trust me when I tell you, man, this book is incredible.
You're gonna want to check out the e book. It's
available through Amazon and Barnes and Noble. But remember, if
you want to gather everything that she has in store,
you can do no better than her personal website, Rising
Above Autism dot Net. There you're gonna find more information
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on her book, an audiobook that is also available, but
hyperlinks set up to take you to the purchasing pages.
One more time. That's Rising above autism dot Net. And
people listen. It is an absolute pleasure to have Clonise
here on the line. Get ready for a story that
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shatters expectations. Okay, where where fairytale romance, crushing betrayal, and
the raw beauty of autism collide in ways you've never
heard before? And listen. I want to take a second
and make sure that I point out the fact that
I didn't misspeak here. Okay, Yeah, I said the raw
beauty of autism, because that is exactly what it is.
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There is so much misinformation, There is such a skewed
perception of individuals that are on the spectrum. I am
so much looking forward to this discussion. Understand, we're barely
going to scratch the surface. But people believe me when
I tell you this isn't just a memoir. It is
a rebellion of swords against the limits that society places
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on specifically neurodivergent lives. It's wrapped in Hollywood glitz and
gut wrenching truth. Okay, today we are diving deep. We're
going to explore this incredible book, Rising Above Autism, because see,
Clinice is a mother who rewrote destiny when the world
told her impossible. Buckle up for a roller coaster. You're
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gonna experience heartbreak, you're gonna experience hope, and you're also
going to witness a redemption arc. You won't forget. We're
gonna get into the nitty gritty here today, but promise
you this, We're only gonna scratch the surface. By the
time we've concluded, you're gonna run to her personal website,
Rising Above Autism dot net, and you're gonna purchase your
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copies because you're gonna understand the value that this book
offers to so many others, not just individuals dealing with
being on the spectrum. Reading in between the lines, this
book offers a lot for everyone, for every walk of life,
for every individual circumstance. Sit back, Stratford, here we go,
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Clini first and foremost, welcome to people of distinction, and
thank you very much for being a guest with us.
How you doing today?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Oh? Thank you? Benji I'm doing great. I'm really happy
to be here today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Of course, listen, it is an absolute pleasure to have
you here. I really do mean that your story is magnificent,
but it offers wisdom that so many are going to
be able to benefit from. So listen, I know you're
looking forward to this, but it is truly an honor
for us to have you here. Let's dive right in
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and let's start off at the foundation. Can you give
us a brief overview of your book, Rising Above Autism,
A mother's refusal to abandon her son and really the
precipice man. What inspired you to write it?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Sure, so, I'd love to do that. The main thing is,
it's a truth story, Rising Above Autism. It begins with
the love story between me and the father of my
fort ue. It the beautiful love story. He was in
the minor leagues when I met him, and together we
have the unique and thrilling privilege of making it into
the major leagues, and we lived that celebrity lifestyle. We
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were married for ten years and we had a beautiful,
healthy baby daughter, and I just thought nothing could ever
go wrong. But ultimately that just sets up the story
of there was betrayal, there was heartbreak, and we ended
up being divorced, and ultimately, this book is about the
story that's about my son who was lost in this
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confusing world of autism. He's my second born and it
was completely different when he was born than my daughter,
who passed all of her milestones ahead of time, and
it was just so easy to bond with her. My
son was born in nineteen eighty eight, and that was
before the Internet. I don't know if anybody remembers like
cell phones beside of the brick back then, but this
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was before iPhone, before Google. I didn't have anywhere to
go for answers, and the medical community where I lived
was not able to help me because they didn't know
what was wrong with my son, only because it took
a while for even the medical community to catch up
with what was going on with this epidemics that we
now have called autism, where you can go onto the
internet and no more in ten minutes than I knew
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back then. Like I said, it was, the confusing part
was that I had this beautiful, healthy daughter, and I
couldn't understand why I didn't have the same relationship with
the easy bond with my son. And another thing that
was really difficult Benji was back then there were articles
in medical journals that basically taught that autism was happening
because of cold or emotionally unavailable mothers, and they actually
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called us refrigerator mothers in those articles. So it was
really tough because I would go to the doctors and
looking for answers, and instead I was made to feel
more inadequate than I already did. What is wrong with
your son? Why isn't addressing himself? How much time do
you spend with him? It was jarring because I was
doing the same thing I was doing with my daughter,
but yet I didn't know what was wrong. I tried
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for two and a half years, with four different doctors
on long waiting lists to get a diagnosis, because my
sister is a medical doctor and my brother as well
was a medical doctor, being told that if I got
a diagnosis, then I would be able to get the
help I needed. Couldn't get a diagnosis. So finally, my
son is now three and a half years old, almost four,
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and my sister says, send him to Jim. We're now divorced,
he's re married in California and at the advice of
my sister, who was a medical doctor, and she witnessed
my frustration of not being able to obtain this diagnosis
and understand the VIP treatment that I had received as
the wife of a pro athlete was long gone, very
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jarring on so many levels to no longer be treated
with that kind of respect. And so I did follow
my sister's advice and I sent my son with a
nanny to California, and within one month they obtained the
diagnosis of autism. So we were apart for five years,
which is explained again. Like I said in the book,
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it was necessarily part of the narrative to set up
what happened in the next thirty years of our journey,
because my point of view was he came to me
at almost nine years old. He was violent. He was
not able to communicate or speak to us in any
way that was really He could talk, but he couldn't
handle sound, he couldn't handle touch. He did his wrist.
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He was frustrated, and at this time he had Grandmall
seizures and he was still in pull up diapers at
age nine. I didn't know he had developed Grandmall seizers.
The first time he fell on the floor. I didn't
know what to do. I felt like I had no
idea what to do. I knew that if I made
the decision to happen stay with me, I was now remarried,
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and the peaceful life that I was living with my
other three children would be blown apart. And I was
given no notice that he was coming back. And I
didn't want to take this on. I'm sorry to say.
I felt like for five years I had been taken
out of his life, and I had a maternal separation,
a little bit of what role I could play in
his life, And at the time I was acting and
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dancing and performing and living my life's aspirations was the
man that I thought was my happily ever after, for
the second time, my second husband, my dreams were coming true.
Little did I know, Benji, that by choosing to help
my son, I just couldn't send him back. I couldn't
sent him back to a place where I knew he
was going to continue to be heavily medicated. My sister,
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the doctor told me that probably he would be given
more and more medications to a debt sedate, his violence,
his anger, his frustration. But I didn't know that was
going to be the beginning of the end of my
second marriage, which was so heartbreaking. I was feeling like
I really had attained my true happiness the second time.
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But it was my mother who stepped in to tell
me the harsh truth. My mother put my faith in
her hands, and he said to me that my son
was an angel sent here to teach me lessons, and
that if I sent him away, I would not know
my true purpose and I would not be able to
help him find his. It was not what I wanted
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to hear, but it was a moment of truth. Was
I going to abandon my son or was I going
to give up what really was my life aspirations and
my dreams to step into the role of truly being
his mother. And I would have to be his guide
and his teacher on this road. And the one thing
that my mother did teach me as a little girl
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was to pray, and I was taught that God would
give me answers and that I was entitled to personal inspirations.
I didn't know how, when, how long it would take,
or if it would happen, but I just felt he
needed to have something different than what was going on
then and I with the two angles that I had
were if I can get him off medication and if
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I can have these Grandma seizures go away, please God
show me how. And this is the story of how
we helped him do that. We helped him find himself
again through relentless faith and in a better outcome than
the when we were living. And I was brought to
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the right programs and the right people. The program until
a day feel called the Institute for the Achievement of
Human Potential. The program we went there was extremely demanding.
I wanted to run once I realized what it was
going to take to help my son get better. I
needed to do taxtile and auditory and patterning and he
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came to read and change his diet and slowly lean
him off medications. And we needed to do movement with
him and teach his body in his brain to become
healthy again. And it was overwhelming, and it was a
ten hour a day program. And once I made the
decision that was what I was going to do, I
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needed to put the same same kind of effort that
I did when I was doing my dancing and getting
ready to tour. We would be rehearsing all day long
to were the States, to tour Europe. I needed to
put that kind of effort into him, not for myself,
but for him, and I had that kind kind of backing.
And I also, ironically, because of the way I was
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raised so unconventionally, I have the wherewithal to think outside
the box and to not worry what other people thought
of what I was doing. And the journey was not
only about progress, it was about miracles. It was about
in the end, this dire dark place. My mom always said,
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that's how light it will be on the other side.
And I used to say, Mom, I don't think I'm
going to make it to the light. And she said,
you will, and it will be bright and it will
be beautiful. And she was right. There were so many
people at the end. The end of this book is
so happy and so beautiful. Sometimes I tend to myself
decided to live this beautiful life with my son. Now.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Wow, Okay, listen, there is so much to unpack and
just that answer, but I want to first and foremost
start by by commending you. And listen, I get it
you're not looking for praise, but I'm gonna offer it anyway. Okay,
So I want to just thank you for the raw
transparency that you expressed in your answer, because I promise
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you there are so many people listening in right now
that find themselves in similar situations where they're having some
of those same thoughts. They are guilt ridden with thinking
about the difficulty of managing such turbulent waters and how
they're going to be able to overcome that. So, just
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off of that, you are an inspiration to so many.
I also want to make sure that I point out
the fact absolutely and I want to take to take
an opportunity and point out the fact that listen, you
look at heavily sedating an individual rather than truly understanding
this person and what they're going through. And in certain instances, hey,
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maybe a sedation is needed, but I think that we
rely too heavily at times on medication, especially in this
instance when we're talking about a very young individual receiving
such high amounts. There are a lot of areas of gray,
there are a lot more nuanced to the discussion, So
people understand, I'm not making a blanket statement, just simply
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pointing out a perception that I have, And that's all
I'm going to say. Because this train has to keep
on moving and there is so much more to uncover.
I want to now ask clmees, I.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Do want to respond to that though.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes, please on to what you just said.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yes, absolutely, I do want to say that it is
shocking that the first line of defense, even when there's
a chapter called Navigating the school System, the first thing
that's offered. I don't know if still today, but it's riddling.
The first thing they say is your child is hyper.
Give them riddling, which is actually a speed. So if
your child, doctor mccrusag is one of the doctors that
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is on the testimonial testimonials of my book, if the
child doesn't slow down right away, he's misdiagnosed. And if
you keep giving them riddle and you're just giving your
kids speed. So the poor kid is being given speed
and then being asked to settle down. And then if
you're giving them another medication on top of that, and
then you're giving another one to go to sleep at night.
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As a five year old, can you imagine a confusion
in the body and the anger and the frustration. So
my son, as we started getting him weaning him off medication,
he was able to voice how it hurt his stomach,
how he was so angry taking them medications, how he
punched a window because he didn't want to take them anymore,
but he wasn't being listened to. So one of the
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things that I really want to point out in this
is that parents do need to be vigilant and know
that there are other options, and it's important to do
research and really look at these side effects. And I
will say that I was blessed to have a brother
and a sister who are medical doctors that taught me
that plnice. We weren't given this information a medical school.
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We were offered one class during one semester on natural healing.
Our education was on pharmaceuticals, on how to prescribe medications.
And medicine is important. It is life saving. My life
has been saved through medical But I just think that
part of what I want to say in the book
is for parents to really be vigilant and to know
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that no, I'm not a doctor, but guess what, I'm
the expert on my child. I'm the expert on who
spends time listening to him and listening to his words
and listening to his behaviors. If he's holding his stomach
or like he stops drooling and playing with his tongue.
Guess what that was, because that was a side effect
of dry mouth and swollen tongue of some of these
medications he was being given. So my son now tells me,
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I'm the daily binge. Thank you, Mom for my ho
healthy life. Thank you that I get to not feel
so sick. Thank you that I have this happy, happy,
healthy life. He says these words constantly because he knows
the difference. And I think that's part of the power
of this book is that his voice is heard. I
led him through the three and and fifty session hours
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that we did where he was able to talk about
his emotional pain. He talks about that in this book,
and I just wanted to validate what you were saying about.
For me, it's not so much. I don't know. It
was shocking when I got into baseball and saw the
reaction of the fans to these guys who they idolized.
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And I was also very hurt and shocked by how
my status just went down to nothing when I was
no longer married. I wasn't able to get the help
I needed. So I appreciate you for recognizing that and
just I want parents out there to feel empowered that
you don't need to have money, you don't have to
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have status. You have been given this child because you
are strong enough to handle it. And you are going
to be given the tools, the people, the places, the conversations,
the books, the program whatever is needed in your life
will come to you if you will. But open that
portal to Heaven. Whatever you call God to be, whatever
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you call that help, that comes from a divine source,
It is there. And that is the message that I
want to share more than anything.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I love that. Listen, Glinda's I love that there is
so much Listen. We can have a long discussion just
on that notion, right, and there is so much to
be discussed here. I want to ask my follow up
question now is what was the churning point for you
in your journey. I understand why this was important to you,
why you wanted to document these things, But isn't it
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that was an exceptional journey for you and limited to
you at this particular time. What was the churning point
in your journey that made you say I have to
share this with the world.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That's a good question, I will say, because we mentioned
the celebrity that I was very intimidated to write this story.
I had to be very truthful, raw real, and vulnerable
in saying the story. And actually I wrote a version
in the past where our used fake names because I thought,
I don't think I'm brave enough to say the real name.
But the truth of the matter is the turning point
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for me was that my son, when he was thirty five,
got to where he could communicate well enough and he
wasn't scared of sounds, and he wasn't scared of the world,
and he reached out to an euromedical company called HealthNet
and believe it or not, credible, hr girl named Veronica
responded to him, and then a man named Clinton started
writing to him for weeks and we finally met Clinton,
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and then I saw in his name taget said CEO
and president, and I thought, this is a president of
the company that has been writing to my son and
making him feel so special and important. Clinton over time
made him an honorary flight team member, which they've never
done that in the company at the time thirty one
years and now a forty year company. They've been called
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they've been given awards, the Airbus Company of the Year,
for twenty nineteen. They are a big company, they're one
of the best companies out there, but they make my
son feel like he's the only one there when he
comes to those bases and sees them. Believe it or not,
they not only gave him his own flight duit and
flight wings, and this one very special pilot, Ron Rogers,
who's introduced in the first chapter, he convinced my son
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that he was brave enough to fly. Okay, now Chris
is dry heaving, he's scared out of his mind, but
he's always wanted to fly in a helicopter, and he
did it. He stepped into that cockpit and he actually flew,
and he said to fear it through the dashboard and
out of his body. Then Clinton made this request that
could he design a logo flying in honor of Chris
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got and put it on all the fleet of their helicopters,
so that Chris could be in spirit with their theme
of his heroes when they were flying to save lives.
When does this happen, Binji? How did this happen? Out
of us being nobody, being treated like nothing, and all
of a sudden, these people are treating us with such care,
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and my son has being given such love. While my
friend Paula greg she is a producer and she has
earned an Emmy for a thirty by thirty for ESPN,
and she came to me and she said, Luinise, we
have got to document this. You have to get a
book about this. We have the difficult beginning, we've got
the hard middle, and now we have this amazing ending.
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We need you to get this book in my hands
so I can start talking to producers and different people.
But more importantly, she said, how many people are you
going to be helping if they can read this story?
And that's what That's what it was the emphasis for
me to move past now. Okay, Once his name buying
in honor of Chris Gott was on those helicopters, I
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had to use his real name. I'm not going to
not use the god name because that's my son's name.
So I had to then search deep inside my soul
and say, Clinise, all you're doing is writing the story
about the truth of what happened. There's no malice here,
there's no ill will. It's just people make decisions. And
another thing, Benji, is that this book is about forgiveness.
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It's about letting go of the past pain and realizing
that sometimes the people that hurt us the most are
our greatest teachers. And so I was able to let
go of that anger and pain toward my ex husbands,
toward ex wives, toward doctors, toward everyone. Is guess what
that was keeping me bound to the past. It wasn't
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letting me move forward. This book gave me my voice back, Benji.
It's been more powerful than any play I can ever
perform in or any dance I could do. This has
given me the confidence to speak my truth, which I
have not had the courage to do for decades. And
so my son inspired this, and the round us that
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wanted to hear the story inspired it.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Cline's listen. Autism can be misunderstood by so many. What
are some of the biggest myths, some of the biggest
misconceptions that you had to face in fight against during
your journey.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well, that's a good question. I already talked about the
one that it's caused by a cold or emotionally unavailable mothers.
That's really not true at all. Probably one of the
biggest ones is that these individuals aren't smart and that
they even though they don't communicate the way that we do.
That they don't have something to say, and that they're
not saying it through their body language. We're just not
paying attention. If your kids holding a stomach and he's
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saying no, he's talking to you. The myth is that
medication is the first line of defense to be used
to sedate and control these individuals. I cannot agree at all.
That is a truth that should be followed. Diet. That's
another myth that diet doesn't affect a child. If you're
giving sugar and dyes and dairy and sometimes gluten, has
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your child in check to see if they're gluten or
dairy intolerant, even babies, they do that. Now there's another
myth that autism is a label that can't be helped.
And our story is an example of my some moving
past dire conditions and learning new behaviors and ways to
communicate allowed him to be part of this world life
more of a normal person. But then one of the
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myths too, is is autism so different from the rest
of us, Like I look at my son in this
book at the end, he has a label called autism,
but there's a lot of other labels aren't there depression, anxiety, bullying,
whatever addictions people have, they have these labels and they're
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going to try to medicate you for that, and they're
going to not necessarily listen to you for those things.
So the steps that you take that I took in
my book actually really helped a lot. And there's an example.
I wanted to share a couple of reviews that came
in just in the last couple of days. Can I
do that and do you have that?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Please? Yes? Please?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So this is from a woman that worked with my son.
He worked at a sandwich shop before COVID and they
shut it down. He said, I just finished the book. Wow,
it is gripping, amazing and awesome. I couldn't put it down.
I know you went through a lot to help Chris
to become the man he is today, but what you
all have been through is profound, heartbreaking up times, but
also uplifting. I hope that other friends get the book.
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I've been telling them about it, and I hope they
can feel the power of your love for Chris and God.
It has brought new light to me about God and
I plan on getting a better relationship with him. Thank you.
I thought that was really special. And then Pilot Rahm,
who I told you was such an incredible person in
this story, and the people will get to love him
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as they read the story. He just sent this to
me today. He was getting ready to go on a
mission to save lives, but a friend of his said,
I had it in my heart to send you this
message today. I just wanted to thank you for your
part in the Rising Above Autism story. I read the
book a few weeks ago, and there are no words
to explain how much that story touched me and helped
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me at a time I desperately needed it. I was
at work today and one of my coworkers told me
that I don't contribute to anything positive to our team.
I was broken hearted hearing those words, and I left
those words and the many other cool things he said
totally crush myself worse. I wasn't sure if I could
recover my work because of one fully, I spent two
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days in tears with the fear of losing the job
that I loved and feeling like I was worthless. And
then the book arrived and I couldn't stop reading it.
I pray that Clineas and Chris know how much sharing
their story helps me your time, I didn't think I
could get through. I hope that I can find even
a small fraction of the strength and courage they have.
So there we go about just someone sharing that has
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nothing to do with autism, but has to do with
We all go through trials and tribulations in our lives.
And the steps that I learned to take with my son,
which are detailed in this book are applicable to parents
with autism. They're applicals full to people that are just
dealing with problems and how do we overcome those obstacles
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and how do we remain close to the source from
which all things come. My mom used to say, and
this is what I'll end out with before I just
want to give a little briefing about where you can
hear a little bit more from us. But used to say,
work as if everything depends on you, and then pray
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as if everything depends on God, and between the two
of those, you're going to be fine. So yes, go
to the website Rising Above Autism dot net. And then
the year that Chris flew and began what he called
his fairless wife was the year twenty seventeen. So if
you want to write to us at Rising Above Autism
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twenty seventeen at gmail dot com, or if you want
to just call us at the Tolfree number eight eight
eight seven eight nine nine four four six, or if
you're one of those people that likes to write a letter,
I'll tell you what. Chris loves to get letters, So
if you want to write them a letter at PO
Box two two three, PO Box two two three, lower Borough,
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Pennsylvania one five six eight, and we would love to
hear from you. Chris is so proud of this book
and he loves hearing people tell him that he's helped
them in their life. And my goal is to be
able to have him have a platform to be able
to speak to more people and tell his story. So
if you're one of those people that know someone that
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we would be able to talk to or that this
could help them, these are the ways that you could
reach us. And we hope that this is something that
will help all of you.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Clonise, if there's one message that you want to make
sure every parent, especially those raising a child with autism,
were to hear today, what would that message be?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Okay, the thing that probably is the most important thing
that I've learned Benji is to be there, to be present,
to love your child, and most importantly, believing your ability
to be divinely guided. To follow your instincts and know
that you are entitled to personal inspirations to be guided
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on your own individual journey. You are the expert on
your child, more than the teachers, more than the doctors
or even other family members. God gave you this child
for a reason, and he is there to guide you.
There's a picture of Jesus knocking on a door and
there's no doorknobs. That's because we have to open it
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from our sides. So with God, I feel like I
have all the power to be guided and directed. And
I had to learn to be the protector and the
teacher and the guide. I had to be strong, not
just me, but all mothers. And pain is a necessary
part of the beginning of this journey. How do we
move on? How do we handle the stress and trials
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that come with autism, with the meltdowns, with knowing that
your child is different. So the challenge to parents, I feel,
is learning to become better and not letting bitterness overwhelm you,
not let the bullies bring us down. The we are
not alone, and that God will give us the resources
and the help we need. With God, we are never alone. Benji.
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Another message that I just want to include is that
it takes a village. I didn't do this alone. And
I really want to pay homage to my children, my
other three children, who gave up so much of their
lives as well to help their brother. They were little
soldiers on this crusade as his siblings, and I just
want to express my love to them. I have four
beautiful children and I'm just grateful for them in my life.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Listen, people, My goodness. Okay, so first and foremost, Yeah,
I'm just gonna plug it again, and I'm going to
make sure that it is very well understood. There is
an ebook available in audiobook Rising Above Autism dot Net.
My goodness. If this hasn't moved you, pinch yourself. You're
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clearly asleep. I don't understand what's happening. This showcases strength,
This showcases so much. This is not just the story
of survival. I said it before. I'm going to say
it again. Is it's a revolution, right, it really is.
It's a revolution of hope, of love in defying every
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quote unquote never that you have ever heard, and because
of that, it resonates on so many levels. Head on
over pick up your copies today, clinise listen huge thanks
to you, Okay stay, Fears keep rising and we would
love to have you back on the network again in
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the future. Until then, thank you so much for being
here with us today through People with Distinction.
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Oh my gosh, it's been an absolute pleasure. Benzie, Thank
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Now sit back and strap in because on the line
with us today we.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Have the impressive Clinice Hunt and we're going to be
discussing Clinese's incredible book, Rising Above Autism, a Mother's refusal
to abandon her son.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
People.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Trust me when I tell you, man, this book is incredible.
You're gonna want to check out the e book. It's
available through Amazon and Barnes and Noble. But remember, if
you want to gather everything that she has in store,
you can do no better than her personal website, Rising
Above Autism dot Net. There you're gonna find more information
(01:23):
on her book, an audiobook that is also available, but
hyperlinks set up to take you to the purchasing pages.
One more time. That's Rising above autism dot Net. And
people listen. It is an absolute pleasure to have Clonise
here on the line. Get ready for a story that
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shatters expectations. Okay, where where fairytale romance, crushing betrayal, and
the raw beauty of autism collide in ways you've never
heard before? And listen. I want to take a second
and make sure that I point out the fact that
I didn't misspeak here. Okay, Yeah, I said the raw
beauty of autism, because that is exactly what it is.
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There is so much misinformation, There is such a skewed
perception of individuals that are on the spectrum. I am
so much looking forward to this discussion. Understand, we're barely
going to scratch the surface. But people believe me when
I tell you this isn't just a memoir. It is
a rebellion of swords against the limits that society places
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on specifically neurodivergent lives. It's wrapped in Hollywood glitz and
gut wrenching truth. Okay, today we are diving deep. We're
going to explore this incredible book, Rising Above Autism, because see,
Clinice is a mother who rewrote destiny when the world
told her impossible. Buckle up for a roller coaster. You're
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gonna experience heartbreak, you're gonna experience hope, and you're also
going to witness a redemption arc. You won't forget. We're
gonna get into the nitty gritty here today, but promise
you this, We're only gonna scratch the surface. By the
time we've concluded, you're gonna run to her personal website,
Rising Above Autism dot net, and you're gonna purchase your
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copies because you're gonna understand the value that this book
offers to so many others, not just individuals dealing with
being on the spectrum. Reading in between the lines, this
book offers a lot for everyone, for every walk of life,
for every individual circumstance. Sit back, Stratford, here we go,
(03:39):
Clini first and foremost, welcome to people of distinction, and
thank you very much for being a guest with us.
How you doing today?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Oh? Thank you? Benji I'm doing great. I'm really happy
to be here today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Of course, listen, it is an absolute pleasure to have
you here. I really do mean that your story is magnificent,
but it offers wisdom that so many are going to
be able to benefit from. So listen, I know you're
looking forward to this, but it is truly an honor
for us to have you here. Let's dive right in
(04:11):
and let's start off at the foundation. Can you give
us a brief overview of your book, Rising Above Autism,
A mother's refusal to abandon her son and really the
precipice man. What inspired you to write it?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Sure, so, I'd love to do that. The main thing is,
it's a truth story, Rising Above Autism. It begins with
the love story between me and the father of my
fort ue. It the beautiful love story. He was in
the minor leagues when I met him, and together we
have the unique and thrilling privilege of making it into
the major leagues, and we lived that celebrity lifestyle. We
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were married for ten years and we had a beautiful,
healthy baby daughter, and I just thought nothing could ever
go wrong. But ultimately that just sets up the story
of there was betrayal, there was heartbreak, and we ended
up being divorced, and ultimately, this book is about the
story that's about my son who was lost in this
(05:05):
confusing world of autism. He's my second born and it
was completely different when he was born than my daughter,
who passed all of her milestones ahead of time, and
it was just so easy to bond with her. My
son was born in nineteen eighty eight, and that was
before the Internet. I don't know if anybody remembers like
cell phones beside of the brick back then, but this
(05:29):
was before iPhone, before Google. I didn't have anywhere to
go for answers, and the medical community where I lived
was not able to help me because they didn't know
what was wrong with my son, only because it took
a while for even the medical community to catch up
with what was going on with this epidemics that we
now have called autism, where you can go onto the
internet and no more in ten minutes than I knew
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back then. Like I said, it was, the confusing part
was that I had this beautiful, healthy daughter, and I
couldn't understand why I didn't have the same relationship with
the easy bond with my son. And another thing that
was really difficult Benji was back then there were articles
in medical journals that basically taught that autism was happening
because of cold or emotionally unavailable mothers, and they actually
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called us refrigerator mothers in those articles. So it was
really tough because I would go to the doctors and
looking for answers, and instead I was made to feel
more inadequate than I already did. What is wrong with
your son? Why isn't addressing himself? How much time do
you spend with him? It was jarring because I was
doing the same thing I was doing with my daughter,
but yet I didn't know what was wrong. I tried
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for two and a half years, with four different doctors
on long waiting lists to get a diagnosis, because my
sister is a medical doctor and my brother as well
was a medical doctor, being told that if I got
a diagnosis, then I would be able to get the
help I needed. Couldn't get a diagnosis. So finally, my
son is now three and a half years old, almost four,
(06:56):
and my sister says, send him to Jim. We're now divorced,
he's re married in California and at the advice of
my sister, who was a medical doctor, and she witnessed
my frustration of not being able to obtain this diagnosis
and understand the VIP treatment that I had received as
the wife of a pro athlete was long gone, very
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jarring on so many levels to no longer be treated
with that kind of respect. And so I did follow
my sister's advice and I sent my son with a
nanny to California, and within one month they obtained the
diagnosis of autism. So we were apart for five years,
which is explained again. Like I said in the book,
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it was necessarily part of the narrative to set up
what happened in the next thirty years of our journey,
because my point of view was he came to me
at almost nine years old. He was violent. He was
not able to communicate or speak to us in any
way that was really He could talk, but he couldn't
handle sound, he couldn't handle touch. He did his wrist.
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He was frustrated, and at this time he had Grandmall
seizures and he was still in pull up diapers at
age nine. I didn't know he had developed Grandmall seizers.
The first time he fell on the floor. I didn't
know what to do. I felt like I had no
idea what to do. I knew that if I made
the decision to happen stay with me, I was now remarried,
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and the peaceful life that I was living with my
other three children would be blown apart. And I was
given no notice that he was coming back. And I
didn't want to take this on. I'm sorry to say.
I felt like for five years I had been taken
out of his life, and I had a maternal separation,
a little bit of what role I could play in
his life, And at the time I was acting and
(08:43):
dancing and performing and living my life's aspirations was the
man that I thought was my happily ever after, for
the second time, my second husband, my dreams were coming true.
Little did I know, Benji, that by choosing to help
my son, I just couldn't send him back. I couldn't
sent him back to a place where I knew he
was going to continue to be heavily medicated. My sister,
(09:06):
the doctor told me that probably he would be given
more and more medications to a debt sedate, his violence,
his anger, his frustration. But I didn't know that was
going to be the beginning of the end of my
second marriage, which was so heartbreaking. I was feeling like
I really had attained my true happiness the second time.
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But it was my mother who stepped in to tell
me the harsh truth. My mother put my faith in
her hands, and he said to me that my son
was an angel sent here to teach me lessons, and
that if I sent him away, I would not know
my true purpose and I would not be able to
help him find his. It was not what I wanted
(09:53):
to hear, but it was a moment of truth. Was
I going to abandon my son or was I going
to give up what really was my life aspirations and
my dreams to step into the role of truly being
his mother. And I would have to be his guide
and his teacher on this road. And the one thing
that my mother did teach me as a little girl
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was to pray, and I was taught that God would
give me answers and that I was entitled to personal inspirations.
I didn't know how, when, how long it would take,
or if it would happen, but I just felt he
needed to have something different than what was going on
then and I with the two angles that I had
were if I can get him off medication and if
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I can have these Grandma seizures go away, please God
show me how. And this is the story of how
we helped him do that. We helped him find himself
again through relentless faith and in a better outcome than
the when we were living. And I was brought to
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the right programs and the right people. The program until
a day feel called the Institute for the Achievement of
Human Potential. The program we went there was extremely demanding.
I wanted to run once I realized what it was
going to take to help my son get better. I
needed to do taxtile and auditory and patterning and he
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came to read and change his diet and slowly lean
him off medications. And we needed to do movement with
him and teach his body in his brain to become
healthy again. And it was overwhelming, and it was a
ten hour a day program. And once I made the
decision that was what I was going to do, I
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needed to put the same same kind of effort that
I did when I was doing my dancing and getting
ready to tour. We would be rehearsing all day long
to were the States, to tour Europe. I needed to
put that kind of effort into him, not for myself,
but for him, and I had that kind kind of backing.
And I also, ironically, because of the way I was
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raised so unconventionally, I have the wherewithal to think outside
the box and to not worry what other people thought
of what I was doing. And the journey was not
only about progress, it was about miracles. It was about
in the end, this dire dark place. My mom always said,
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that's how light it will be on the other side.
And I used to say, Mom, I don't think I'm
going to make it to the light. And she said,
you will, and it will be bright and it will
be beautiful. And she was right. There were so many
people at the end. The end of this book is
so happy and so beautiful. Sometimes I tend to myself
decided to live this beautiful life with my son. Now.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Wow, Okay, listen, there is so much to unpack and
just that answer, but I want to first and foremost
start by by commending you. And listen, I get it
you're not looking for praise, but I'm gonna offer it anyway. Okay,
So I want to just thank you for the raw
transparency that you expressed in your answer, because I promise
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you there are so many people listening in right now
that find themselves in similar situations where they're having some
of those same thoughts. They are guilt ridden with thinking
about the difficulty of managing such turbulent waters and how
they're going to be able to overcome that. So, just
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off of that, you are an inspiration to so many.
I also want to make sure that I point out
the fact absolutely and I want to take to take
an opportunity and point out the fact that listen, you
look at heavily sedating an individual rather than truly understanding
this person and what they're going through. And in certain instances, hey,
(13:58):
maybe a sedation is needed, but I think that we
rely too heavily at times on medication, especially in this
instance when we're talking about a very young individual receiving
such high amounts. There are a lot of areas of gray,
there are a lot more nuanced to the discussion, So
people understand, I'm not making a blanket statement, just simply
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pointing out a perception that I have, And that's all
I'm going to say. Because this train has to keep
on moving and there is so much more to uncover.
I want to now ask clmees, I.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Do want to respond to that though.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes, please on to what you just said.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yes, absolutely, I do want to say that it is
shocking that the first line of defense, even when there's
a chapter called Navigating the school System, the first thing
that's offered. I don't know if still today, but it's riddling.
The first thing they say is your child is hyper.
Give them riddling, which is actually a speed. So if
your child, doctor mccrusag is one of the doctors that
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is on the testimonial testimonials of my book, if the
child doesn't slow down right away, he's misdiagnosed. And if
you keep giving them riddle and you're just giving your
kids speed. So the poor kid is being given speed
and then being asked to settle down. And then if
you're giving them another medication on top of that, and
then you're giving another one to go to sleep at night.
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As a five year old, can you imagine a confusion
in the body and the anger and the frustration. So
my son, as we started getting him weaning him off medication,
he was able to voice how it hurt his stomach,
how he was so angry taking them medications, how he
punched a window because he didn't want to take them anymore,
but he wasn't being listened to. So one of the
(15:38):
things that I really want to point out in this
is that parents do need to be vigilant and know
that there are other options, and it's important to do
research and really look at these side effects. And I
will say that I was blessed to have a brother
and a sister who are medical doctors that taught me
that plnice. We weren't given this information a medical school.
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We were offered one class during one semester on natural healing.
Our education was on pharmaceuticals, on how to prescribe medications.
And medicine is important. It is life saving. My life
has been saved through medical But I just think that
part of what I want to say in the book
is for parents to really be vigilant and to know
(16:20):
that no, I'm not a doctor, but guess what, I'm
the expert on my child. I'm the expert on who
spends time listening to him and listening to his words
and listening to his behaviors. If he's holding his stomach
or like he stops drooling and playing with his tongue.
Guess what that was, because that was a side effect
of dry mouth and swollen tongue of some of these
medications he was being given. So my son now tells me,
(16:44):
I'm the daily binge. Thank you, Mom for my ho
healthy life. Thank you that I get to not feel
so sick. Thank you that I have this happy, happy,
healthy life. He says these words constantly because he knows
the difference. And I think that's part of the power
of this book is that his voice is heard. I
led him through the three and and fifty session hours
(17:05):
that we did where he was able to talk about
his emotional pain. He talks about that in this book,
and I just wanted to validate what you were saying about.
For me, it's not so much. I don't know. It
was shocking when I got into baseball and saw the
reaction of the fans to these guys who they idolized.
(17:25):
And I was also very hurt and shocked by how
my status just went down to nothing when I was
no longer married. I wasn't able to get the help
I needed. So I appreciate you for recognizing that and
just I want parents out there to feel empowered that
you don't need to have money, you don't have to
(17:46):
have status. You have been given this child because you
are strong enough to handle it. And you are going
to be given the tools, the people, the places, the conversations,
the books, the program whatever is needed in your life
will come to you if you will. But open that
portal to Heaven. Whatever you call God to be, whatever
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you call that help, that comes from a divine source,
It is there. And that is the message that I
want to share more than anything.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I love that. Listen, Glinda's I love that there is
so much Listen. We can have a long discussion just
on that notion, right, and there is so much to
be discussed here. I want to ask my follow up
question now is what was the churning point for you
in your journey. I understand why this was important to you,
why you wanted to document these things, But isn't it
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that was an exceptional journey for you and limited to
you at this particular time. What was the churning point
in your journey that made you say I have to
share this with the world.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That's a good question, I will say, because we mentioned
the celebrity that I was very intimidated to write this story.
I had to be very truthful, raw real, and vulnerable
in saying the story. And actually I wrote a version
in the past where our used fake names because I thought,
I don't think I'm brave enough to say the real name.
But the truth of the matter is the turning point
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for me was that my son, when he was thirty five,
got to where he could communicate well enough and he
wasn't scared of sounds, and he wasn't scared of the world,
and he reached out to an euromedical company called HealthNet
and believe it or not, credible, hr girl named Veronica
responded to him, and then a man named Clinton started
writing to him for weeks and we finally met Clinton,
(19:35):
and then I saw in his name taget said CEO
and president, and I thought, this is a president of
the company that has been writing to my son and
making him feel so special and important. Clinton over time
made him an honorary flight team member, which they've never
done that in the company at the time thirty one
years and now a forty year company. They've been called
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they've been given awards, the Airbus Company of the Year,
for twenty nineteen. They are a big company, they're one
of the best companies out there, but they make my
son feel like he's the only one there when he
comes to those bases and sees them. Believe it or not,
they not only gave him his own flight duit and
flight wings, and this one very special pilot, Ron Rogers,
who's introduced in the first chapter, he convinced my son
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that he was brave enough to fly. Okay, now Chris
is dry heaving, he's scared out of his mind, but
he's always wanted to fly in a helicopter, and he
did it. He stepped into that cockpit and he actually flew,
and he said to fear it through the dashboard and
out of his body. Then Clinton made this request that
could he design a logo flying in honor of Chris
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got and put it on all the fleet of their helicopters,
so that Chris could be in spirit with their theme
of his heroes when they were flying to save lives.
When does this happen, Binji? How did this happen? Out
of us being nobody, being treated like nothing, and all
of a sudden, these people are treating us with such care,
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and my son has being given such love. While my
friend Paula greg she is a producer and she has
earned an Emmy for a thirty by thirty for ESPN,
and she came to me and she said, Luinise, we
have got to document this. You have to get a
book about this. We have the difficult beginning, we've got
the hard middle, and now we have this amazing ending.
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We need you to get this book in my hands
so I can start talking to producers and different people.
But more importantly, she said, how many people are you
going to be helping if they can read this story?
And that's what That's what it was the emphasis for
me to move past now. Okay, Once his name buying
in honor of Chris Gott was on those helicopters, I
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had to use his real name. I'm not going to
not use the god name because that's my son's name.
So I had to then search deep inside my soul
and say, Clinise, all you're doing is writing the story
about the truth of what happened. There's no malice here,
there's no ill will. It's just people make decisions. And
another thing, Benji, is that this book is about forgiveness.
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It's about letting go of the past pain and realizing
that sometimes the people that hurt us the most are
our greatest teachers. And so I was able to let
go of that anger and pain toward my ex husbands,
toward ex wives, toward doctors, toward everyone. Is guess what
that was keeping me bound to the past. It wasn't
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letting me move forward. This book gave me my voice back, Benji.
It's been more powerful than any play I can ever
perform in or any dance I could do. This has
given me the confidence to speak my truth, which I
have not had the courage to do for decades. And
so my son inspired this, and the round us that
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wanted to hear the story inspired it.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Cline's listen. Autism can be misunderstood by so many. What
are some of the biggest myths, some of the biggest
misconceptions that you had to face in fight against during
your journey.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well, that's a good question. I already talked about the
one that it's caused by a cold or emotionally unavailable mothers.
That's really not true at all. Probably one of the
biggest ones is that these individuals aren't smart and that
they even though they don't communicate the way that we do.
That they don't have something to say, and that they're
not saying it through their body language. We're just not
paying attention. If your kids holding a stomach and he's
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saying no, he's talking to you. The myth is that
medication is the first line of defense to be used
to sedate and control these individuals. I cannot agree at all.
That is a truth that should be followed. Diet. That's
another myth that diet doesn't affect a child. If you're
giving sugar and dyes and dairy and sometimes gluten, has
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your child in check to see if they're gluten or
dairy intolerant, even babies, they do that. Now there's another
myth that autism is a label that can't be helped.
And our story is an example of my some moving
past dire conditions and learning new behaviors and ways to
communicate allowed him to be part of this world life
more of a normal person. But then one of the
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myths too, is is autism so different from the rest
of us, Like I look at my son in this
book at the end, he has a label called autism,
but there's a lot of other labels aren't there depression, anxiety, bullying,
whatever addictions people have, they have these labels and they're
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going to try to medicate you for that, and they're
going to not necessarily listen to you for those things.
So the steps that you take that I took in
my book actually really helped a lot. And there's an example.
I wanted to share a couple of reviews that came
in just in the last couple of days. Can I
do that and do you have that?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Please? Yes? Please?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So this is from a woman that worked with my son.
He worked at a sandwich shop before COVID and they
shut it down. He said, I just finished the book. Wow,
it is gripping, amazing and awesome. I couldn't put it down.
I know you went through a lot to help Chris
to become the man he is today, but what you
all have been through is profound, heartbreaking up times, but
also uplifting. I hope that other friends get the book.
(25:17):
I've been telling them about it, and I hope they
can feel the power of your love for Chris and God.
It has brought new light to me about God and
I plan on getting a better relationship with him. Thank you.
I thought that was really special. And then Pilot Rahm,
who I told you was such an incredible person in
this story, and the people will get to love him
(25:38):
as they read the story. He just sent this to
me today. He was getting ready to go on a
mission to save lives, but a friend of his said,
I had it in my heart to send you this
message today. I just wanted to thank you for your
part in the Rising Above Autism story. I read the
book a few weeks ago, and there are no words
to explain how much that story touched me and helped
(25:58):
me at a time I desperately needed it. I was
at work today and one of my coworkers told me
that I don't contribute to anything positive to our team.
I was broken hearted hearing those words, and I left
those words and the many other cool things he said
totally crush myself worse. I wasn't sure if I could
recover my work because of one fully, I spent two
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days in tears with the fear of losing the job
that I loved and feeling like I was worthless. And
then the book arrived and I couldn't stop reading it.
I pray that Clineas and Chris know how much sharing
their story helps me your time, I didn't think I
could get through. I hope that I can find even
a small fraction of the strength and courage they have.
So there we go about just someone sharing that has
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nothing to do with autism, but has to do with
We all go through trials and tribulations in our lives.
And the steps that I learned to take with my son,
which are detailed in this book are applicable to parents
with autism. They're applicals full to people that are just
dealing with problems and how do we overcome those obstacles
(27:02):
and how do we remain close to the source from
which all things come. My mom used to say, and
this is what I'll end out with before I just
want to give a little briefing about where you can
hear a little bit more from us. But used to say,
work as if everything depends on you, and then pray
(27:22):
as if everything depends on God, and between the two
of those, you're going to be fine. So yes, go
to the website Rising Above Autism dot net. And then
the year that Chris flew and began what he called
his fairless wife was the year twenty seventeen. So if
you want to write to us at Rising Above Autism
(27:43):
twenty seventeen at gmail dot com, or if you want
to just call us at the Tolfree number eight eight
eight seven eight nine nine four four six, or if
you're one of those people that likes to write a letter,
I'll tell you what. Chris loves to get letters, So
if you want to write them a letter at PO
Box two two three, PO Box two two three, lower Borough,
(28:05):
Pennsylvania one five six eight, and we would love to
hear from you. Chris is so proud of this book
and he loves hearing people tell him that he's helped
them in their life. And my goal is to be
able to have him have a platform to be able
to speak to more people and tell his story. So
if you're one of those people that know someone that
(28:26):
we would be able to talk to or that this
could help them, these are the ways that you could
reach us. And we hope that this is something that
will help all of you.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Clonise, if there's one message that you want to make
sure every parent, especially those raising a child with autism,
were to hear today, what would that message be?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Okay, the thing that probably is the most important thing
that I've learned Benji is to be there, to be present,
to love your child, and most importantly, believing your ability
to be divinely guided. To follow your instincts and know
that you are entitled to personal inspirations to be guided
(29:05):
on your own individual journey. You are the expert on
your child, more than the teachers, more than the doctors
or even other family members. God gave you this child
for a reason, and he is there to guide you.
There's a picture of Jesus knocking on a door and
there's no doorknobs. That's because we have to open it
(29:25):
from our sides. So with God, I feel like I
have all the power to be guided and directed. And
I had to learn to be the protector and the
teacher and the guide. I had to be strong, not
just me, but all mothers. And pain is a necessary
part of the beginning of this journey. How do we
move on? How do we handle the stress and trials
(29:46):
that come with autism, with the meltdowns, with knowing that
your child is different. So the challenge to parents, I feel,
is learning to become better and not letting bitterness overwhelm you,
not let the bullies bring us down. The we are
not alone, and that God will give us the resources
and the help we need. With God, we are never alone. Benji.
(30:07):
Another message that I just want to include is that
it takes a village. I didn't do this alone. And
I really want to pay homage to my children, my
other three children, who gave up so much of their
lives as well to help their brother. They were little
soldiers on this crusade as his siblings, and I just
want to express my love to them. I have four
beautiful children and I'm just grateful for them in my life.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Listen, people, My goodness. Okay, so first and foremost, Yeah,
I'm just gonna plug it again, and I'm going to
make sure that it is very well understood. There is
an ebook available in audiobook Rising Above Autism dot Net.
My goodness. If this hasn't moved you, pinch yourself. You're
(30:52):
clearly asleep. I don't understand what's happening. This showcases strength,
This showcases so much. This is not just the story
of survival. I said it before. I'm going to say
it again. Is it's a revolution, right, it really is.
It's a revolution of hope, of love in defying every
(31:14):
quote unquote never that you have ever heard, and because
of that, it resonates on so many levels. Head on
over pick up your copies today, clinise listen huge thanks
to you, Okay stay, Fears keep rising and we would
love to have you back on the network again in
(31:34):
the future. Until then, thank you so much for being
here with us today through People with Distinction.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Oh my gosh, it's been an absolute pleasure. Benzie, Thank
you so much.
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