August 19, 2025 • 17 mins
Feeling weighed down by your past? Join us for an eye-opening conversation with Annesa Meader, author of Rest for the Depths, a transformative book that offers a lifeline to those struggling with inner demons. Discover how grace can pull you from the darkest waters into the light, and learn practical steps to silence the lies and embrace a future free from shame and doubt.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey is Benji Cole, Son of Alcohol from CBS Radio
and host of the syndicated talk show People of Distinction.
The talk gives you an in depth view of some
of the most dynamic, intelligent, and successful people on the planet.
Run to our website Alcohol Enterprises dot com for more info.
Email me through Benji at Alcohol Enterprises dot com if
you'd like to get involved with what we have going,
(00:30):
and as always, please continue to like and follow our broadcasts.
People of Distinction is internationally syndicated solely due to the
love and support that you all continue to give. We're
available across all major distributors, and as long as you
keep following, we're going to continue to put out the content.
Now sit back and strap in because on the line
with us today we have the impressive Vanessa Meter and
(00:53):
we're gonna be discussing her incredible book Rest for the Depths,
SA Amazon, It's Barnes and Noble. May trust me when
I's it's a lot of other places, but most importantly,
check out her personal website and that's the number four
colon one three ministry dot org. There find more information
on her, more information on her fantastic books. You're gonna
(01:16):
be able to purchase it through the website. I'm telling
you that's where you got to check out four colon
one three ministry dot org and listen. It is an
absolute pleasure to have Vanessa here on the line. People.
Have you ever felt have you ever felt like your
past is a weight that is dragging you under, Like
(01:36):
the voices in your head are constantly whispering how you'll
never break free? Eh man? Join the club?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Who hasn't? If you have, this is the book for you, Okay,
Rest for the depths. It doesn't just offer a lifeline, okay, Vanessa.
Vanessa hands you the key to your own chains. She
reveals how the darkest waters can become the very place
where grace pulls you into the light. People, trust me
(02:07):
when I tell you, man, this isn't your typical just
pray harder spirituality. It is a raw, redemptive journey into
the heart of what it means to truly be free
this man, Today, we are gonna dive deep. We are
going to uncover how to silence the lies, how to
(02:28):
embrace rest and step into a future that's unshackled from shame,
from guilt, from doubt, from whatever negative force is weighing
you down. So if you've ever wondered whether Grace is
really for you, listen, I got news for you. Man,
Sit back, stravor get ready, because this conversation might just
(02:49):
change everything for you. Yeah, it's about to be a
fantastic education. Here we go, Essa first and foremost, welcome
to people of distinction, and thank you very much for
me and a guest. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm doing good. Thank you so much for having me.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I am fantastic And as a so often I ask
people how they're doing, and nobody ever asks me how
I'm doing. This is going to be a fantastic show,
I can tell. Believe it, girl, it happens all the time.
It's crazy to me. I don't understand. It's just common,
it's just common cordial behave. Anyways, I'm doing fantastic, and
I thank you very much for asking. But thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Joke king aside and as an honestly, your book is
something that I think a lot of people need. You're
talking about something that I think is so universal, something
that a lot of people battle with, myself included, who
amongst us hasn't been there where we are just almost
being buried with pressure of life, but also those voices
(03:52):
in our head that can really be something. It reminds
me of the adage like where we are our own
worst critic, and I believe it to be true because
there's been some times, man, where I'm my toughest obstacle,
and your book is really going to offer lifeline. So
thank you for writing it, thank you for being here
with us, and we're looking forward to it. Listen, I
(04:15):
wanna I always start with the background, and I guess
that's a good place to start, just to offer a foundation.
Let's go there, because I have a lot of questions
pertaining to the book, but I'm gonna hold off. Tell
us more about yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I guess there's not much to know about me. I
grew up in Washington, Iowa. I'm a nanny currently has
been teaching either like children's church or Sunday school or
helping with the youth group for ten years now. So
it's been a lot of fun being active in ministry
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Listen, that's a great place to start, cause when you
look at the subject matter of the book, you're just
talking about what you know. This is where you live,
and breathe. So let's dive in.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I love your title, and there's something that is profound
about it, because listen, rest for the depth. In depth
is really the word that when we were preppering, we
were prepping for today's interview. That's the one that I
thought really stuck out to me. And I think it's
interesting that you're arguing that it suggests that the true
(05:15):
rest is found in the depth, not in the shallows.
And what's interesting about that is I can't help but
then ask the question, like, why do you think that
grace becomes most visible when we're in our lowest moments.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So I have a flashlight right when you turn it
on in the light, like, you can't really see it
that well, But then the darker that you bring a flashlight,
the more brighter it shines. And I feel like God's
grace does that for all of us too. It just
gives us a big hug. The darker and darker that
we go, it's just finds brighter and brighter.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Love that that's a good analogy with the flashlight there,
this is a beautiful thing. Let's go into inspiration here,
and that's a okay, I can see given your background,
where this peak I am a particular interest to you.
But let's start off there at the journey where this
all started for you. And then what was that that
(06:09):
switch right to take it not only for something that
you utilized for yourself, but you wanted to put out
for the world.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, when I was twenty, I felt called. I felt
like God had called me to go live in New
York City, and so I moved out there with my
best friend at the time. And when I was there,
there is a month that I didn't have a job,
like I couldn't find one, and I was sitting there
and I was just like studying my Bible, and I
was like, what is going on? What am I supposed
(06:38):
to be gleaning from this process that I'm going in
right now? And as I lived there for a full year,
and as I was living there, I started writing my
first book for thirteen And as soon as I finished
that one, Rest for the Depths came to my brain.
But I don't know, it took me a little while
to actually write it, to be honest, mostly because it's
(07:01):
just it's a hard topic. And as I was writing it,
I was learning. As I was learning it, and then
writing about it. That was a whole process, and as
I was writing it, I just felt like I was
supposed to be sharing this with people so that they
can be being set free as I was being set free.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, so that's an interesting connection here. Let's follow that
a little bit more. Would it be fair to say
or to assume rather that as you were writing the
book it was almost like a therapeutic process that you
were utilizing to help you overcome certain doubts and fears yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, it was definitely different lessons that I felt like
God had been showing me and that I felt like
he was wanting me to include in this book because
I think it has to be real in notice for
people to really grasp onto it.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah. Okay, So continuing along that line, let's now utilize
in a way of being I guess, of viewing others,
but also trying to pay it forward in a way
through the analysis. Again sticking with the notion of the
depths really going deep, because that's really what your book is, right,
(08:09):
It's an invitation to dive into the depths. When you
do that, right, it implies that healing requires facing pain
head on, and that's something that's by no means is
that new. But it is a daunting task and a
lot of people struggle with it, right, and it's so human,
and I think that there's power in that analysis. So
(08:32):
first and foremost, why do you think that so many
people resist going deep?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I think just because it's hard. It brings up so
many either like painful memories or regrets or things that
they just feel bad about, and it's just really, I
don't know, hard. I guess that would be the answer.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
People. Listen, man, you gotta head on over to Amazon,
Barnes and Noble. Remember four colon thirteen ministry dot org.
While you're there, look into her other books you just
mentioned it A moment Ago four thirteen, A Journey to Strength,
a devotional I promise you both of these books are
fantastic additions to your shelf because they're really going to
(09:13):
help you dive deep. Right, to continue to use that
cliche there, we're gonna just beat that thing. It continued
to go deeper, of course, but really understand the wisdom
that's to be found there. And I'm a firm believer.
You guys have heard me mention this a number of
times in the past, Like I really do believe God
doesn't place anything on our path that we aren't strong
(09:36):
enough to overcome. And now hear me because in the moment,
huh boy, it doesn't feel like that. You just want
to give up, You just want to give in, and
you feel like I'm not strong enough. Jesus take the wheel.
I get that. But there is so much strength to
be found, and especially in those moments, by persevering, by
(09:57):
continuing to fight and push through and it it really
is a great message that these books carry. So again,
remember it starts with rest for the depths before thirteen.
A Journey to Strength. The devotional is going to be
a fantastic edition as well, so much wisdom to be found.
Head on over there pick up your copies today, Unessa.
My follow up now, let's talk about let's talk about
(10:18):
your writing process and your journey through this whole thing.
This is obviously something that is very heavily based in
your faith, and it was something as you had, as
you admitted a little while ago, it was almost it
almost was birthed through through a way of helping you
through some of your darker moments. Connecting it back now
(10:39):
to your faith. I'm curious to know was there anything
that while you were writing this book that helped maybe
even deepen your faith? And if so, what was it,
Why did that happen? Do you feel talk to us
about how that might have increased your connection with God?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oo. That is such a good question. Paul writes, I
don't remember where he writes it in your New Testament,
but he writes that we are comforted so that we
can comfort others. And I think that one of the
lives of the enemies can make you feel like that
you were the only one that you know, like you're
the only one going through this and you're the only
one in the depths, whatever your depths are, like you
(11:17):
know your step there, that you can't do anything about it.
And I think if I was learning that there is
something we can do about it where not alone. There's
so many people here on this earth that God has
given us to have fellowship with one another. And I
just really felt, not only was I comforted the more
that I studied scriptures and the more that these answers
(11:38):
came in questions and prayers, that I felt really led
to comfort others through that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's interesting that you brought up, Paul, because I think
there's there's a wonderful connection here that that can be
found because listen, Paul wrote, when I am weak, then
I am strong, and it's it's such a great line
and again just connects perfectly to your book, and I
(12:07):
think it's going to cover points that we've already started
to go into. But again, bringing Paul into this equation,
I want to ask, how does his embrace of weakness
challenge our obsession really with self sufficiency? Like making that
connection and again, since you introduced Paul into the conversation,
(12:28):
how did how could his story and his words impact
you or help build you up or strengthen you And
then connecting that.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Out, Yeah, you look at Paul and everything that he
did for the Gospels and everything, and you're just like, wow,
that was such a strong individual. And then the more
that you read and study what he wrote, the more
that he was like, I'm too weak for this or
I'm not good enough for this. And I think that's
such a good lesson because our feelings are not above
(13:00):
our faith. Our faith is above our feeling and so
it's a good reminder that we could feel scared or
we are unqualified, or could be unqualified or all this
and God still chooses to use it, which I think
is such a blessing, such a cool thing that he do.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Andessa, I want to let's as we start to close
out of here, let's go back to that twenty year
old Sanessa going on that journey right and trying to
figure things out. If you had an opportunity to step
into a time machine and you could go back and
you could speak to her, what would be a message,
What would be some advice that you would give her
as you began on this journey.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I probably would be not to doubt so much. I
second guessed so much about writing the first book, and
then one hundred percent with the second book. It took
me a full year to even start writing the second one.
But just to trust that God is his sovereignty, like
he knows all and I'm not going to mess that
up because I'm not that powerful he is.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, listen, final question, and it's going to branch off
in a very similar way to offering advice to a
younger self. If you could sit down with someone who's
listening in right now and listen, they feel like they're
too broken, they feel like they're too far gone for
any type of saving grace. What would you want to
tell them? What are some words of wisdom that you
(14:18):
could help them through this moment of uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I guess I would let them know that they are
so loved not only by the Creator, but by the Savior,
who literally came down to Earth just to die on
a cross so that we could forever be with him.
Like we matter that much and there's no circumstance or
nothing that we've done that can separate us from Him
(14:45):
and Jesus. So I would just tell them to I
don't know, just keep holding on, just keep praying, because
they can do this.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Honestly, I think you say you don't know, but Inessa,
I think that you do, okay, because I think what
you've just said is profound, And that's what faith is.
You don't have to have the answer in the moment.
It's that belief and continuing to push forward. There's so
much strength in that. People. Listen, we've barely scratched the
surface here, but that tip of the iceberg that we've
(15:15):
discussed here today, my goodness, is monumental. And if this conversation,
if it hit deep, then just imagine what's gonna happen
when you truly dive in, when you run and you
pick up the book Rest for the Depths, and you
embrace it for what it is, for that lifeline, for
that invitation to walk closer with God than it is,
(15:39):
and to put your fears in Him. The amount of
security that you're going to feel is a beautiful thing.
I'm gonna say it again. I know I don't have to,
but listen. It's Amazon, it's Barnes and Noble, four colon thirteen,
ministry dot org. You got to pick up copies today,
and remember, Rest for the Depths is just the beginning.
Technically it was the second book that you wrote, but yeah,
(16:00):
that was the anchor for today, so it's just the beginning.
After you've completed that one, you got to check out
the other one. Four thirteen A Journey to Strength, a
devotional Start your journey and listen, I say, start your journey.
But a lot of you may already be on this journey.
So continue the journey for those of you that have
already been traveling. Allow these books to be the companion
(16:22):
that they're meant to be and to really continue to
assist you on that journey. Allow it to be the
catalyst for change in your life, because I promise you
there is no other option. Once you pick it up,
it's gonna do just that. See you know where to
go pick up your copies today and again you got it.
That's a meter to thank for all of it, man.
(16:42):
So yeah, let's get it going. And this has been
an absolute pleasure, such an honor. Thank you once again
for being a guest on People of Distinction.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it, so thank you.
Hey is Benji Cole, Son of Alcohol from CBS Radio
and host of the syndicated talk show People of Distinction.
The talk gives you an in depth view of some
of the most dynamic, intelligent, and successful people on the planet.
Run to our website Alcohol Enterprises dot com for more info.
Email me through Benji at Alcohol Enterprises dot com if
you'd like to get involved with what we have going,
(00:30):
and as always, please continue to like and follow our broadcasts.
People of Distinction is internationally syndicated solely due to the
love and support that you all continue to give. We're
available across all major distributors, and as long as you
keep following, we're going to continue to put out the content.
Now sit back and strap in because on the line
with us today we have the impressive Vanessa Meter and
(00:53):
we're gonna be discussing her incredible book Rest for the Depths,
SA Amazon, It's Barnes and Noble. May trust me when
I's it's a lot of other places, but most importantly,
check out her personal website and that's the number four
colon one three ministry dot org. There find more information
on her, more information on her fantastic books. You're gonna
(01:16):
be able to purchase it through the website. I'm telling
you that's where you got to check out four colon
one three ministry dot org and listen. It is an
absolute pleasure to have Vanessa here on the line. People.
Have you ever felt have you ever felt like your
past is a weight that is dragging you under, Like
(01:36):
the voices in your head are constantly whispering how you'll
never break free? Eh man? Join the club?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Who hasn't? If you have, this is the book for you, Okay,
Rest for the depths. It doesn't just offer a lifeline, okay, Vanessa.
Vanessa hands you the key to your own chains. She
reveals how the darkest waters can become the very place
where grace pulls you into the light. People, trust me
(02:07):
when I tell you, man, this isn't your typical just
pray harder spirituality. It is a raw, redemptive journey into
the heart of what it means to truly be free
this man, Today, we are gonna dive deep. We are
going to uncover how to silence the lies, how to
(02:28):
embrace rest and step into a future that's unshackled from shame,
from guilt, from doubt, from whatever negative force is weighing
you down. So if you've ever wondered whether Grace is
really for you, listen, I got news for you. Man,
Sit back, stravor get ready, because this conversation might just
(02:49):
change everything for you. Yeah, it's about to be a
fantastic education. Here we go, Essa first and foremost, welcome
to people of distinction, and thank you very much for
me and a guest. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm doing good. Thank you so much for having me.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I am fantastic And as a so often I ask
people how they're doing, and nobody ever asks me how
I'm doing. This is going to be a fantastic show,
I can tell. Believe it, girl, it happens all the time.
It's crazy to me. I don't understand. It's just common,
it's just common cordial behave. Anyways, I'm doing fantastic, and
I thank you very much for asking. But thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Joke king aside and as an honestly, your book is
something that I think a lot of people need. You're
talking about something that I think is so universal, something
that a lot of people battle with, myself included, who
amongst us hasn't been there where we are just almost
being buried with pressure of life, but also those voices
(03:52):
in our head that can really be something. It reminds
me of the adage like where we are our own
worst critic, and I believe it to be true because
there's been some times, man, where I'm my toughest obstacle,
and your book is really going to offer lifeline. So
thank you for writing it, thank you for being here
with us, and we're looking forward to it. Listen, I
(04:15):
wanna I always start with the background, and I guess
that's a good place to start, just to offer a foundation.
Let's go there, because I have a lot of questions
pertaining to the book, but I'm gonna hold off. Tell
us more about yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I guess there's not much to know about me. I
grew up in Washington, Iowa. I'm a nanny currently has
been teaching either like children's church or Sunday school or
helping with the youth group for ten years now. So
it's been a lot of fun being active in ministry
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Listen, that's a great place to start, cause when you
look at the subject matter of the book, you're just
talking about what you know. This is where you live,
and breathe. So let's dive in.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I love your title, and there's something that is profound
about it, because listen, rest for the depth. In depth
is really the word that when we were preppering, we
were prepping for today's interview. That's the one that I
thought really stuck out to me. And I think it's
interesting that you're arguing that it suggests that the true
(05:15):
rest is found in the depth, not in the shallows.
And what's interesting about that is I can't help but
then ask the question, like, why do you think that
grace becomes most visible when we're in our lowest moments.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So I have a flashlight right when you turn it
on in the light, like, you can't really see it
that well, But then the darker that you bring a flashlight,
the more brighter it shines. And I feel like God's
grace does that for all of us too. It just
gives us a big hug. The darker and darker that
we go, it's just finds brighter and brighter.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Love that that's a good analogy with the flashlight there,
this is a beautiful thing. Let's go into inspiration here,
and that's a okay, I can see given your background,
where this peak I am a particular interest to you.
But let's start off there at the journey where this
all started for you. And then what was that that
(06:09):
switch right to take it not only for something that
you utilized for yourself, but you wanted to put out
for the world.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, when I was twenty, I felt called. I felt
like God had called me to go live in New
York City, and so I moved out there with my
best friend at the time. And when I was there,
there is a month that I didn't have a job,
like I couldn't find one, and I was sitting there
and I was just like studying my Bible, and I
was like, what is going on? What am I supposed
(06:38):
to be gleaning from this process that I'm going in
right now? And as I lived there for a full year,
and as I was living there, I started writing my
first book for thirteen And as soon as I finished
that one, Rest for the Depths came to my brain.
But I don't know, it took me a little while
to actually write it, to be honest, mostly because it's
(07:01):
just it's a hard topic. And as I was writing it,
I was learning. As I was learning it, and then
writing about it. That was a whole process, and as
I was writing it, I just felt like I was
supposed to be sharing this with people so that they
can be being set free as I was being set free.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, so that's an interesting connection here. Let's follow that
a little bit more. Would it be fair to say
or to assume rather that as you were writing the
book it was almost like a therapeutic process that you
were utilizing to help you overcome certain doubts and fears yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, it was definitely different lessons that I felt like
God had been showing me and that I felt like
he was wanting me to include in this book because
I think it has to be real in notice for
people to really grasp onto it.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah. Okay, So continuing along that line, let's now utilize
in a way of being I guess, of viewing others,
but also trying to pay it forward in a way
through the analysis. Again sticking with the notion of the
depths really going deep, because that's really what your book is, right,
(08:09):
It's an invitation to dive into the depths. When you
do that, right, it implies that healing requires facing pain
head on, and that's something that's by no means is
that new. But it is a daunting task and a
lot of people struggle with it, right, and it's so human,
and I think that there's power in that analysis. So
(08:32):
first and foremost, why do you think that so many
people resist going deep?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I think just because it's hard. It brings up so
many either like painful memories or regrets or things that
they just feel bad about, and it's just really, I
don't know, hard. I guess that would be the answer.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
People. Listen, man, you gotta head on over to Amazon,
Barnes and Noble. Remember four colon thirteen ministry dot org.
While you're there, look into her other books you just
mentioned it A moment Ago four thirteen, A Journey to Strength,
a devotional I promise you both of these books are
fantastic additions to your shelf because they're really going to
(09:13):
help you dive deep. Right, to continue to use that
cliche there, we're gonna just beat that thing. It continued
to go deeper, of course, but really understand the wisdom
that's to be found there. And I'm a firm believer.
You guys have heard me mention this a number of
times in the past, Like I really do believe God
doesn't place anything on our path that we aren't strong
(09:36):
enough to overcome. And now hear me because in the moment,
huh boy, it doesn't feel like that. You just want
to give up, You just want to give in, and
you feel like I'm not strong enough. Jesus take the wheel.
I get that. But there is so much strength to
be found, and especially in those moments, by persevering, by
(09:57):
continuing to fight and push through and it it really
is a great message that these books carry. So again,
remember it starts with rest for the depths before thirteen.
A Journey to Strength. The devotional is going to be
a fantastic edition as well, so much wisdom to be found.
Head on over there pick up your copies today, Unessa.
My follow up now, let's talk about let's talk about
(10:18):
your writing process and your journey through this whole thing.
This is obviously something that is very heavily based in
your faith, and it was something as you had, as
you admitted a little while ago, it was almost it
almost was birthed through through a way of helping you
through some of your darker moments. Connecting it back now
(10:39):
to your faith. I'm curious to know was there anything
that while you were writing this book that helped maybe
even deepen your faith? And if so, what was it,
Why did that happen? Do you feel talk to us
about how that might have increased your connection with God?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oo. That is such a good question. Paul writes, I
don't remember where he writes it in your New Testament,
but he writes that we are comforted so that we
can comfort others. And I think that one of the
lives of the enemies can make you feel like that
you were the only one that you know, like you're
the only one going through this and you're the only
one in the depths, whatever your depths are, like you
(11:17):
know your step there, that you can't do anything about it.
And I think if I was learning that there is
something we can do about it where not alone. There's
so many people here on this earth that God has
given us to have fellowship with one another. And I
just really felt, not only was I comforted the more
that I studied scriptures and the more that these answers
(11:38):
came in questions and prayers, that I felt really led
to comfort others through that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's interesting that you brought up, Paul, because I think
there's there's a wonderful connection here that that can be
found because listen, Paul wrote, when I am weak, then
I am strong, and it's it's such a great line
and again just connects perfectly to your book, and I
(12:07):
think it's going to cover points that we've already started
to go into. But again, bringing Paul into this equation,
I want to ask, how does his embrace of weakness
challenge our obsession really with self sufficiency? Like making that
connection and again, since you introduced Paul into the conversation,
(12:28):
how did how could his story and his words impact
you or help build you up or strengthen you And
then connecting that.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Out, Yeah, you look at Paul and everything that he
did for the Gospels and everything, and you're just like, wow,
that was such a strong individual. And then the more
that you read and study what he wrote, the more
that he was like, I'm too weak for this or
I'm not good enough for this. And I think that's
such a good lesson because our feelings are not above
(13:00):
our faith. Our faith is above our feeling and so
it's a good reminder that we could feel scared or
we are unqualified, or could be unqualified or all this
and God still chooses to use it, which I think
is such a blessing, such a cool thing that he do.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Andessa, I want to let's as we start to close
out of here, let's go back to that twenty year
old Sanessa going on that journey right and trying to
figure things out. If you had an opportunity to step
into a time machine and you could go back and
you could speak to her, what would be a message,
What would be some advice that you would give her
as you began on this journey.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I probably would be not to doubt so much. I
second guessed so much about writing the first book, and
then one hundred percent with the second book. It took
me a full year to even start writing the second one.
But just to trust that God is his sovereignty, like
he knows all and I'm not going to mess that
up because I'm not that powerful he is.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, listen, final question, and it's going to branch off
in a very similar way to offering advice to a
younger self. If you could sit down with someone who's
listening in right now and listen, they feel like they're
too broken, they feel like they're too far gone for
any type of saving grace. What would you want to
tell them? What are some words of wisdom that you
(14:18):
could help them through this moment of uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I guess I would let them know that they are
so loved not only by the Creator, but by the Savior,
who literally came down to Earth just to die on
a cross so that we could forever be with him.
Like we matter that much and there's no circumstance or
nothing that we've done that can separate us from Him
(14:45):
and Jesus. So I would just tell them to I
don't know, just keep holding on, just keep praying, because
they can do this.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Honestly, I think you say you don't know, but Inessa,
I think that you do, okay, because I think what
you've just said is profound, And that's what faith is.
You don't have to have the answer in the moment.
It's that belief and continuing to push forward. There's so
much strength in that. People. Listen, we've barely scratched the
surface here, but that tip of the iceberg that we've
(15:15):
discussed here today, my goodness, is monumental. And if this conversation,
if it hit deep, then just imagine what's gonna happen
when you truly dive in, when you run and you
pick up the book Rest for the Depths, and you
embrace it for what it is, for that lifeline, for
that invitation to walk closer with God than it is,
(15:39):
and to put your fears in Him. The amount of
security that you're going to feel is a beautiful thing.
I'm gonna say it again. I know I don't have to,
but listen. It's Amazon, it's Barnes and Noble, four colon thirteen,
ministry dot org. You got to pick up copies today,
and remember, Rest for the Depths is just the beginning.
Technically it was the second book that you wrote, but yeah,
(16:00):
that was the anchor for today, so it's just the beginning.
After you've completed that one, you got to check out
the other one. Four thirteen A Journey to Strength, a
devotional Start your journey and listen, I say, start your journey.
But a lot of you may already be on this journey.
So continue the journey for those of you that have
already been traveling. Allow these books to be the companion
(16:22):
that they're meant to be and to really continue to
assist you on that journey. Allow it to be the
catalyst for change in your life, because I promise you
there is no other option. Once you pick it up,
it's gonna do just that. See you know where to
go pick up your copies today and again you got it.
That's a meter to thank for all of it, man.
(16:42):
So yeah, let's get it going. And this has been
an absolute pleasure, such an honor. Thank you once again
for being a guest on People of Distinction.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it, so thank you.
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