Ana Pashyanti, PhD – Talking To Your Cells: Activating Your Self-Healing Power

Air Date - 19 November 2025

Ana Pashyanti, PhD, is an international speaker, healer, teacher, and mystic. Her personal journey of mental deprogramming, emotional healing, and spiritual integration has taken her on pilgrimages to over 55 countries and 6 continents, including trainings in ancient and modern spiritual practices from all over the world. She empowers others to discover their own potential for healing and creating transformation by tuning into their infinite wisdom and capacity for lasting change and inner peace. She teaches ways to communicate with your body and use self-healing techniques for emotional and physical pain. Her goal is to connect people with Source, allowing them to return to their true nature, which is infinite, powerful, wise, and free. She calls it “Rewilding the Soul.”

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Perfect Life Awakening Show, hosted by Royce Morales.
Royce has been a transformational facilitator, teaching groundbreaking spiritually based
courses for more than four decades. She is the author
of three books about her teachings. Join Royce as she
takes you on a journey into how to live your
best life and find your true purpose through discovering the

(00:31):
origins of subconscious, disempowering notions and releasing them. She talks
with experts and inspiring people just like you who learned
to trust their intuitive inner wisdom, which led to life
changing shifts. Today, her guests live in empowered existence and
are helping change the world to a higher consciousness place

(00:52):
based on truth and love. You deserve to awaken, to
align with and embody your true self and live a
life filled with love. Transform yourself from triggered to empowered
and create your perfect life. Here is your host, Royce Morales.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hi, everyone, welcome to my show. I am really thrilled
and excited to introduce my next guest because she does
some amazing things and she's out in the jungle somewhere
on a beautiful background. Let me tell you a little
bit about Anna pushanti. If I'm pronouncing that right, I hope.

(01:35):
She's an international speaker, healer, teacher, and mystic whose path
of healing and self realization has taken her on pilgrimages
to over fifty five countries, learning ancient and modern spiritual practices.
I can't wait to hear about some of those. She's
a highly sensitive EmPATH and has spent decades learning how

(01:59):
to calm those triggers, reclaim her multi dimensional powers, which
are all starting to reclaim and rise above limitations, which
again we all need to do. She helps awaken others
to their own potential to heal, which we all have,
and to expand and transform their lives by reconnecting to

(02:22):
source with a capital S and return to their true
nature of infinite powerful wisdom. She teaches ways to communicate
with your body, which she's going to talk about today,
which is really exciting, sounds very similar to some of
the stuff that I do, And it's just amazing to
me that we're so science based that we've forgotten that

(02:45):
everything is energy and spiritual. And when you learn that,
and when you reconnect to that and reawaken to that,
it's an amazing thing that your body can do, it
can tell you all kinds of things. So she's going
to talk about that and give us a few little
hints as to how to start doing that, give us
some techniques for emotional and physical pain, and to return

(03:07):
to your true nature, which is of course infinite, powerful,
wise and free. And I love this. She calls it
rewilding the soul. So welcome on. I'm so glad you're here,
so tell.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Us for surprise. It's really inspiring.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Thank you, And we have a little bit of delay,
so there'll be a few pauses here and there, just
to let everybody know. So first of all, I love
I always love hearing the story. How did you get
started doing what you do with your multi dimensional journey
you're awakening? How did that start for you?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Well, as with a lot of people, it started with
the opposite, which was not being in my power, which
was not feeling connected to sourus and to my infinite
inner wisdom, you know, not being myself trying to just

(04:06):
suffer through life, and really self sacrifice was something big
for me as well, and so I basically went through
life self sacrificing and and just kind of trying to
get by emotionally and eventually, actually my life fell apart

(04:26):
because I couldn't continue doing that anymore. So at the time,
I was living in Germany, and I found myself in
a trailer with no running water connected was just an
electric cord to my friend's cockroach farm out in the
middle of nowhere in the forest. And it was a

(04:50):
It was a giant, gigantic cockroach farm, a huge warehouse full,
and that was that was okay, honestly, you know, back
to the roots, down to nat you know, that's fine.
But I had nothing to support me. I had no
one to support me. My relationships were falling apart. I
was trying to hold on to them even though they

(05:13):
weren't right for me. I mean, I was miserable. Actually
they were actually a little bit abusive, right, you know,
They're just very very very very difficult. And I kept
trying to make it through and make it through and
make it through. Completely forgot myself and it was then
that I realized I have absolutely nothing. I'm starting from

(05:33):
ground zero.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Left.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
I left the country, I left everything. I went back
to my parents and sat at the kitchen table and
I asked myself for the first time in my life,
what do I really want. That was the first time
I asked myself that I had never allowed myself to
ask that before. And the answers came, like intuition does
it with just came instantly, like I could literally yield

(06:01):
sparkles around me. And I had no idea, you know
what that was. But I knew I wanted to I
want to things. One I wanted to move to Istanbul. Two,
I wanted to learn about consciousness because I had just
heard there. Because Istanbul has a magic to it, huh.

(06:27):
It has a kind of I saw on a road
trip once one time. I drove through there with some
friends and we drove through Istanbul and it just had
like a magic. It was kind of in its own
little magic cloud. As I was as we were driving by,
you know, through the country into Europe, and I just
could not, for the life of me figure out why.

(06:51):
But I wanted to go there because it just had
a magical pull to me. It was just my intuition,
and I was studying in my own research. I was
also studying sort of natural health, which led onto quantum physics,
which led to the beginnings of consciousness. So it's a
really roundabout way of saying I started from ground zero,

(07:14):
not knowing what I had left to hang on to.
I literally had no friends or relationships anymore except for
my parents and my sisters, and I decided I wanted
to go there. So what did I do? I went
there with my little laptop, my remote job, and I
had mind blowing meditation experiences that I couldn't explain for

(07:36):
the first time in my life. And that led me
to ask the questions which led me to where I
am now, you know, more than a decade later, fifteen
years later. So that's how it started. It started by
finally asking myself what I really wanted inside and that
was that took me, you know, thirty some years.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Wow. And so when you say self sacrifice, what exactly
do you mean that you were, you know, doing a
lot of self sacrifice.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I happened to be highly sensitive and
also an EmPATH, and those are two different things. And
so I was always concerned about how other people were feeling.
And so I grew up with a lot of conflict
in my family. And so the only thing I wanted
to do was avoid conflict. And I wanted to.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Make people feel better.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I wanted them to stop hurting, because that was just
what needed to be done. If someone was hurting, someone
was feeling bad, that was my job, I thought, to
make them feel better. And so that's how it started.
And it led further on into not speaking up when
I wasn't treated right.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
For example, it led to not.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Following my heart's desires, you know, as I just explained.
It even led further on to allow allowing people to
just take take, take, take, take take, until I actually
almost lost my life. I ended up with some narcissistic people.

(09:05):
One of them actually held I had me held hostage
in his apartment literally for a few weeks, and I
finally escaped. That's another story, but I mean I barely escaped.
And I finally had to learn the lesson to not
self sacrifice, to have those healthy boundaries, to be compassionate

(09:26):
and loving, but not to just let myself be walked
over because someone else needs or wants something from me.
So it was a very long and hard lesson to
learn because I refused to learn it so many times
in the past. People would kind of like be very
aggressive and attacking towards me, especially after I helped them,

(09:47):
you know, and I couldn't understand why my self sacrificing
wasn't making them feel better and wasn't solving the problem.
They would literally not only want more of they would
actually kind of attack me for doing so. It's kind
of a weird thing, but basically I had a choice
many times. Am I going to close my heart off
and be a very cold, aggressive person, you know, to
kind of protect myself and fit in with this whatever

(10:12):
cold society that I apparently was attracting. Or was I
going to let my heart stay open and just be
a bleeding heart and just suffering all the time.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
You know, those are the only two options I thought
I had.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I didn't realize there was a middle way, which was
to have an open and compassionate heart. Why is something
I refused to learn for way too long?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well? Wow, so then you study. You have a PhD
next to your name. What is the PhD in?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
So that is in German philosophy and literature?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
So very very academic, very kind of dry stuff. And
I ended up I ended up there because I wasn't
truly listening to my heart. I didn't know how to
follow my heart, and so I said, well, I'm just
kind of good in academics. I'll just keep going. I
like foreign languages, I'll just keep going. You know, I
like to read.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
It just it wasn't I wasn't callowing my dream yet.
So yeah, I have I have the qualifications, and I
know how to research, I know how to write books.
That's great, you'll help me, you know, in the future.
But it was all part of my collapse because that
was before my collapse, that was before my spiritual turn.
Because you know now, I wouldn't I wouldn't say that

(11:26):
it was necessary to go through all of those years
of school, you know, just because you don't know what
else to do, right, So yeah, I always you got
to listen to your heart, and that's that's honestly. It
took me way, way, way, way too long.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well you know whatever it takes, right. So there you are,
you're an istant bul You're having these amazing meditations. What then,
what how did that become what you do? Now? Tell
us about that journey?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, So I just had I heard some Greek chances
music and it was some Greek mystical chanting someone was
playing and the kind of helped me to put me
into a meditation because I didn't really know even how
to do that. And what happened was I can't be
explained really but basic basically, I made the intention two

(12:22):
I wanted to expand my kind of what else was there?
But that was pretty good. It was a good intention,
and so it just it just blew me up, you know.
I I went into the golden grid of consciousness, which
now I teach as a way to help people connect
with the divine and and with other people, even on
an energetic level.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
What is that? Can you explain what that is?

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
So that another word for that is Indra's net. And
so a lot of people teach that sort of as
a kind of a grid, an energetic grid, sort of
perpendicular lines and all the.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
And that's not how I experienced at all.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
It was more like a lotving golden threads moving through everything,
just moving golden light through everything. And in my first
experiences in is Tanbul, I know now that it was
really clearing me out. It was really clearing out a
lot of the density and the trauma that was weighing
me down enough for me to be able to make

(13:22):
this turn into the new phase of my life where
I was obviously an unconscious spiritual path at that point.
So now I love to connect into it. Begger if
anyone is feeling lonely, for example, because this beautiful golden grid,
it's basically you know, when you have just the source,

(13:44):
that is the ocean of unrealized possibilities that we cannot
describe it kind of before it really manifests into the
reality that we can see. This is at least my
experience of it, before it manifest into the material world
that we can see and into other things and objects

(14:04):
and beings. It flows in this sort of grid or
network pattern.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's like a.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
If sources the first dimension we could say Indra's net
or this golden network is like the second dimension, and
then we have the third dimension, which is multi material reality.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
And so.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
With the golden grid, with this beautiful Indra's net, I
can connect, for example, to people's hearts all around the planet,
all throughout the universe, the beautiful pure heart of Source
that is in every person and every being before all

(14:48):
of their sort of identity and before that. And so
I love to bring people into this state where you
can really feel the golden grid in your heart and
connecting you to everyone because you can feel at that point,
you can feel connected to everyone and everything that exists.

(15:09):
You can just kind of feel the network, the golden
threads that are connecting us together, because if we are
truly one, that is one way to experience it, because
it is possible. And I will say a lot of
these things seem impossible, you know, but what I want

(15:30):
to make clear is that we do not have to
be super enlightened or have scientifically explained it, or you know,
be perfect and good and worthy of whatever. We don't
need it to be any of that and do any
of that in order to connect on this level, to
connect us source, and to connect to other people. And
so why I call it, you know, rewilding the soul,

(15:53):
is because we are getting back to our true nature.
And that really means all of us can do it
because it's eight and so that is kind of my
mission is to really empower people to know that they
can do this. You know, it's not craziness. You know,
it's literally what we're made of.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right, Yes, it's not craziness. People. Yeah, so you went
to fifty five countries and you learned ancient and modern
spiritual practices. Tell us about some of that.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, So Firstly, I will say that my definition of
a pilgrimage, I'm sure is maybe a little different, but
it is when I am traveling anywhere with a sacred intention,
with a goal, you know, a sort of a either

(16:46):
a spiritual goal or a question in my life that
I want to figure out, something I want to find out.
And as I travel to the different places and pieces
of the pub come together, and so the way I
see things now, it's like a big puzzle, and every
place I go to, every thing I learn, it all

(17:08):
comes in to fill in the puzzle, to fill in
the gaps and make those connections to have a broader
understanding of the world of.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Reality. And so that's how I travel.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
You don't have to go around the world to have
a pilgrimage like that, but it really helps.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
And why because.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Leaving your comfort zone, as they say, leaving your kind
of home, brings with it a lot of difficulties, a
lot of new things, but especially it will kind of
reset your very rigid beliefs. And so for me, I
call it deprogramming. Actually I feel like it deprogrammed me

(17:50):
by doing this traveling because everything I thought I knew
only change once.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I left my country, which was a US. Sorry.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Phone doesn't mean it's necessary for everyone, but that's how
it was for me, and so it can help you
if you are considering doing this, because it is so
much easier to see the world from a new perspective.
If I can give you a quick example, when I
first moved to Germany, I actually moved there from my
PhD research, and all of a sudden, I started to

(18:25):
have some health issues, just kind of small ones, you know,
various things. One of them was like one of my
eyes were swelling up, and I was like, oh, what's
going on? Right, And so I didn't know what the
doctor was. I didn't really know how to get into
the health system or anything, and so I decided I
was like, well, huh, I'm gonna have to figure this
out by myself, by myself. And so I actually started

(18:47):
my own research online and I hadn't done that before.
I was just relying on, you know, going to the
doctor in the hospital, which is great, you know, they're
greatful a lot of things. But I started learning things
on my own just and then than my mind blown. Firstly,
that was the beginning of my deprogramming, because I figured out, oh,
I can heal a lot of things in my body,

(19:09):
say my kitchen cabinet. Yeah, just by changing my diet
a bit.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Aha.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
So I don't need to pull up pill I don't.
I don't need to, you know, have this expensive treatment.
I'm not saying it's like that always, but there's some
some things that we can heal on our own. I
was like, wow, mind is blown. Okay, it's not what
but I've been told this is not what I thought. Okay,
And that was the start of my deeper society to
the d program. But that all came from traveling, and

(19:38):
it came from being in a place that I wasn't
familiar with. So that's firstly how I would kind of
put that into perspective. Yeah, and then just about sort
of the different traditions and the different methodologies. Well, when
I started in Issembul, of course over there they have
the sufets and so I was instantly introduced to them

(19:59):
when I started a path on my path, and so
that my training did change as I moved through Asia.
I kind of had a my initial pilgrimage really started
from Istanbul and went all the way through Southeast Asia
up into Hong Kong, and of course my training would
would change as I moved through the various places. And

(20:24):
then once I got up into Hong Kong and the
people I met there, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
They they.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Taught me more things about you know, non dualism and
that sort of direction. And so finally it kind of
was the culmination of my initial understanding of reality and
of the spiritual path and what our goal is, you know,
how we are really here to kind of remember ourselves. Yeah,
and each piece of the puzzle came in as I

(20:52):
went to the different countries. So that is sort of
the overview of my international a mystical path because it's, uh,
it's been very very very very interesting and very exciting,
and it's you know, everyone has their own path. But
for me, finally, once I listened to myself, I listened
to that, that's intuition saying I wanted to go to

(21:15):
stan bolin Abou consciousness.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
That's where That's where it led.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
That's amazing. So how did that transfer into helping others
and teaching others? How when did that happen?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
So people just started asking me for help. They just
they had things they were really struggling with and they
just they just started asking me for help.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
I don't. I was just helping.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
People that came to me, you know, either with physical issues,
with mental issues, you know, anxiety, emotional difficulties obviously, and
honestly I didn't. I didn't start professional until I kind
of was forced to. It was because my my my

(22:03):
my job, sort of my earlier job, which was in
the academic world, you know, it kind of was fading away,
and I wasn't interested anymore.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I was was getting.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Boring, and so I was like, oh, you know, life,
life is showing me. Life has been showing me, you know,
time after time. I need to start doing I need
to start making this my real profession because it is
what I do.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's it's what I live and breathe. And so I.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
I read the signs. I read the signs from the universe,
and you said, ah, well, yeah, I just said. I
finally gave into the messages from the universe that were
showing me that I really had to start this full
time because I was very reticent to do so. I
was not I didn't want to do that. I didn't

(22:53):
think I had, you know, the answer to.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Everything.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
You know, I you know, I wasn't mana Maharshi or anything.
So I was like, well, you know, I'll stay back
and let someone else do it. But life actually kind
of forced me into it. So yeah, I'm here now.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, life does that, doesn't it. It seems to certainly
did for me. So tell us a little bit about
how you do work with people. You know, when I
introduced to I said that you help people to get
in touch with their cells and their body by talking

(23:30):
to your body and listening to your body. Tell us
a little bit about your technique and how it works.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
So it's just so.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
It's just so beautiful to do this work because firstly,
I'm empowering people to do these things for themselves. I'm
not just gonna say, hey, come to me, I'll give
you a you know, quick fix. I'll give you an
intuitive hit or something, and then you know, come.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Back next week.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
You know, I teach people how to do these things
themselves because we all can do it. And so basically
we're tapping into source energy. Honestly, that's what we're doing.
And so that's how we do anything. That's how we
get our intuitive answers, that's how we heal our physical bodies,

(24:20):
and that's how we heal emotionally as well. It's all
about connecting to our true source field, and I think
sometimes we get a little bit distracted from that in
all of the various different methods and techniques, which are
all beautiful and very helpful, but I'm always very very

(24:42):
very closely tied to our So talking about health, for example,
because that's how my journey started, actually being in a
foreign country and having health issues. You know, what we
do when we have a physical issue is we communicate
with our bodies.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
That's how it has worked for me, and that's how
it's worked with the people that I've helped. And so basically
we are having a two way conversation. We are listening
to our body, the messages from our bodies. So when
we have a pain, when we have an illness, something's
not working, rights it's a message, it's valuable information. Yeah,
the body is not against us. It's not trying to

(25:26):
make our lives miserable by kind of you know, hurting
or you know, whatever goes wrong in the body. You know,
it's always something our body is actually wanting to serve us.
This is a message that something is stored inside and
usually I think of it as the subconscious kind of
being stored inside the body, because everything that does happen

(25:48):
in the body does also have an emotional right, you know,
I know you're familiar with that. And so basically, if,
for example, if I had an issue with well, let's say,
let's take a client of mine who can to me
for help with his kidney. For example, it actually had

(26:09):
kind of a kidney affection. You know, he had the
kidney pain everything, but it was after it was after hours,
and he didn't want to go into the burgenescy room,
and so he's like, well, you know, I'll talk to
you and then I'll go to the doctor tomorrow. I
was like, great, So I took him on a journey
through through his body into his kidney.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
So it's kind of a sort of a meditation experience,
but it's really not. It's not hard, like you don't
have to you know, stop thinking.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Anything. It's not like that.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
But it's more intuitive. And so basically I would in
this there's many methods.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
In this method.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
I while, okay, okay, so let's seeh So I took
him into his kidney, and so he actually was envisioning
going into his kidney yeah, in his mind, with his
third eye, you know, with his with his imagination and
what we imagine Israel. She went into his kidney, took

(27:08):
a look around, you know, he and he was listening.
He asked, he asked the kidney a question, kidney, what
do you have to tell me? Why do I have
this infection? What's going on? I think in that case
it was that, you know, he wasn't drinking enough water,
but actually hated water. He only drank sugary drinks. And
so his kidney told him that. And this this man,

(27:29):
this example that I'm telling you about, this man had
never done any I need to work before. He had
never meditated, He was not into any of that stuff.
He just was kind of desperate and he knew I,
you know, worked on these things. So even for him,
it worked that that first session we had and then
his pain literally I'm not joking and even surprised me.

(27:50):
His pain literally stopped before the session was over. He
communicated with his kidneys like a kidney, I hear you,
all right, I promise you I will drink some more water.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I'll treat you better.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Before the session was over, and you know, obviously he
went got it checked out the next day. Everything was fine.
But the interesting thing was he wasn't interested in any
of that. He had never done energy work or meditation
and wasn't even interested. So truly, if we're just a
little bit open to that, you know, that is some

(28:25):
of the results that we can get. It's different for everyone.
You know, no promises, no guarantees, you know, see your doctor.
Of course, perfect, but it's a compliment because if we
just fix the physical symptom without addressing the energetic or
emotional cause, either the symptom can come back or a
different symptom can come back. Sometimes it'll come back worse

(28:47):
because we're not listening to the message. Yeah, so it's
just feeling empowered that we're not completely dependent on someone
or something else to be healthy. You know, it's knowing
how the body connection works. And when we address the
emotions and the the the energies and the blockages and
the traumas and the the the confusion, whatever it is,

(29:16):
we can we can actually allow our bodies to heal
because our bodies heal naturally. And that's another part of
our real rewilding process, is that we're going back to
our nature, letting the body heal. You know, the body
knows what to do if we give it the right circumstances,
you know. So it's it can be kind of a

(29:37):
touchy topic, I know, you know, and I'm just saying
it's a compliment to whatever else you want to do,
but it's so important because honestly, it comes back down
to our connection with source. Because of this beautiful, indurious
net that is connecting everything. You know, our energies can
move through that and we can travel into our kidney

(29:57):
can go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
It's it's all of this is I as fellows. We
just have to know that it's possible and kind of
allow it to happen naturally. That's I think that's what
I most really want to get across.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, do you also and it's almost time to take
a break, but do you also talk about I'm sure
you do, but I just want to put it out there.
One of the things that I talk about with my
students that are working on physical healing is understanding the
bigger lesson from it.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
So to speak.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's like I manifest this because I needed to stop
and write a book or you know, something like that.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Do you get into.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Where has this led you in your life, or what
does this prevent you from doing? Or how is this
perfect for you in some way?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, yeah, so important because it all fits into the
larger picture. You know, as you mentioned, it's it's not
only a message of you know, maybe how we're treating
our bodies, but it is also something that is of
course tied we can't get out. Maybe it's because we
really just need to be resting, you know. Maybe it's
because we need to take a break from whatever we

(31:10):
were doing and we shouldn't be doing that anymore, you know.
It's it is, it is completely tied to the holistic
view of life and and and our Yeah, the reality
we're creating. You're completely right, one hundred percent right. It's
all super super super important information. I think just the
fact that we understandably want to resist all of the

(31:32):
all of these messages, you know, as I fully resisted
my my lessons for a long time. Our resistance too,
it obviously will cause more suffering. So the only hard
part is being brave enough to to listen to the mist.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I'm sure I've told this story on my show before,
but I always like to bring it up again because
it was so profound for me. I was told spiritually
that I needed to write a book, that uh, something
really interesting spiritually, that it had happened to me. And
I really resisted doing it because I'm not a writer
and what do I have to say? And who would

(32:09):
want to read this? And I had all these negative
thoughts going on about it. And all of a sudden,
out of the blue, my hands started hurting so terribly
that I could barely move. And I'm like, okay, what's
going on here? And I heard spiritually in a meditation,
it's because you're not writing the book. And I said,

(32:30):
but I can't write the book my hands. I can't
sit down at my computer and write a book. It's
too painful. I'm having this whole conversation with my higher self,
right So finally the voice convinced me just go give
it a try. Sit down at your computer. So I
sat down at my computer started to write the book.
The pain completely went away instantly. So it's that kind

(32:53):
of thing too, that we when we listen, we can
just manifest these miracles. It's pretty amazing. So anyway, we
need to take a break. I know I'm talking to Anna.
I can't ever say Shawnee and we will be right back.

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Speaker 2 (35:54):
Welcome back. I am talking with an a push on
T and we're talking about self he talking to our bodies,
and I just have to ask you. I since I've
been doing this for decades, I find that people have
some pretty strong belief systems about everything, but especially healing.

(36:15):
You know, I don't know if it's because we're raised
in a society that encourages a medical profession and how
they have all the answers and all the cures and
you know, all of that, but there are some very
deep beliefs that people have how do you help people
bust through those? Is there something that you say or
do that helps people realize, Yeah, it's just all a belief.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
I can heal myself.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
They usually have to try themselves. Honestly, if you really
want to believe something, you know you can believe that,
and probably won't. You probably won't even be open to
the possibility that something else could work. And so if
you really don't believe that's going to work, oftentimes you're

(37:02):
you're going to be right because your beliefs will actually
help that make help that happen. So if you're if
you are open, like the man I help, for example,
who wasn't interested in spirituality at all, he was still
open enough that that could work for him. You know,
I don't want to change anyone's beliefs.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
I don't need to do that.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
I don't think I think I think everyone's trying to
change other people's beliefs, and I really think that's okay.
They can just believe they want to believe. Honestly, I
don't want to change someone's belief I don't want to evangelize.
I don't want to break them open if they're not ready.

(37:46):
You know, I won't give my answers unless I'm asked
the question. You know, if you know, if I if
I told everyone who was suffering from something that, well,
you could just do and blah blah blah. You know,
I don't think it's my place. And you know, because
we have all of our own journeys, we're just going

(38:06):
to have to let it be what it is. I
know that people could suffer less if they were open
to their trialties to help themselves heal, and yeah, they
would probably suffer less, But is that the journey that
they have chosen for themselves.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Maybe not. So.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
It is very hard, especially as an empathic person as
so many of us are, to see people suffering and
not to be able to just kind of wake them
up and tell them what could help them. You know,
it's very hard, but that is part of our spiritual path,
is accepting everyone's journey being different and accepting the positive

(38:44):
and negative in the world, the suffering and the joy.
It's very it's quite mystical in that sense, you know,
integrating both the light in the dark, but it is
part of our path. I really don't think it's even
possible to change someone, believe, even if I'd.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Wow that's interesting. I kind of beg to disagree, because
I think that you're if you're able to see maybe
even by using yourself as an example, or like the
story that I just told about, Wow, it was just
a belief that I had about not writing my book
that was causing my hands to hurt, you know, I
think if people can see that, if they can see that, wow, gee,

(39:28):
I've always believed that I had to take an aspen
for a headache. And now I'm, you know, realizing, maybe
I don't, you know, maybe that's just a belief. It's
it's not that you're invalidating them or where they are,
but you're kind of presenting something new, a different way
of looking at something, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
M hm sure, Yeah, Yeah, that's great. If they're willing
to see that, that's that's that's brilliant, and it's a
it's a very very important service that you can do
for them.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah yeah. So okay, So tell us ways that you
help people. Give us some examples of how you help
people really tune in and get back in touch with
their empowered wild self.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
So I always go back to our direct connection with
sours and and it does not mean that we had
to be enlightened, you know, all the time and just
swimming in the ocean of bliss and not knowing where
our bodies are. You know, it's not necessary, but I
do always go back to that, and so I like
to I like to take people through kind of adventures

(40:40):
in meditations and that type of thing. So I actually
will tap into the heart space. And that is an
inspiration from Ramanamahrshi, a truly enlightened age in India, and
he could to find the self, the true self, the source,
we must be the pearl diver. And the pearl diver

(41:02):
tied a stone. Normally a pearl diver would tie a
stone to his waist with a rope to weigh himself down,
and he would dive into the ocean to find the pearl,
just in the oyster in its little shell at the
under the sand at the bottom of the sea, so
very very hidden, very very deep, very far away. But
he just he put on his stone and he just
dove right in. And Ramana Mahars she tells us that

(41:25):
we do that by going into the heart space, going
all the way all the way down, all the way
deep down to find the pearl, and so I like
to start there to find the connection with source that
is in the heart space. And actually I have some
meditations on inside time where people are interested, they're free,

(41:45):
and some of them will will help people do that
actually for people who are interested. And so from there
we can do everything. From there, we can connect into
Indra's net, into the golden network of these beautiful threads
or cables of energy, you know, because our heart spaces
are connected, for example, with everyone else's heart spaces, and

(42:08):
so through the heart we can find everything. And that's
also what the sufis teach, which is how I started
my path also is with the sufis who really almost
massage the heart, so to speak. And it's really about
finding what's in the way between our true divine source
and our kind of suffering selves. Yeah, and so what

(42:33):
is in the way of that is what we work on.
So when I am the session with someone, usually we're
going to be going into the body and we're going
to feel the emotions, because the emotions are the signs
that something is stored in the subcon something is stored
in the body that is maybe a trauma or some

(42:55):
kind of fear or pain, and so a lot of
times we're going to be going into the body and
we're going to be feeling kind of what's in the
way between us and source. So that is a lot
simpler than it sounds. So it's just about going into
the body, putting your awareness into the body and feeling
all the sensations that come up, just feeling everything you
feel inside the body. That is something that is crucial

(43:20):
to do and a lot of us are afraid to
do that because it may be painful, and if, especially
if we have pain in the body, it is hard
to kind of put our awareness there. But a lot
of times that's only what we need is to put
our awareness there where the body is sending us this
message is kind of screaming at us, right because we
didn't listen in the last twenty years, So it's going
to screaming out. It's going to be have pain. But

(43:42):
if you really can be brave enough to just sit
in the pain, allow it, allow it to kind of
move through your consciousness, just put your awareness on it
without pushing it down, without numbing it out, even that
can help to already heal. So that's such a huge
part is allowing that trapped emotions that may be causing

(44:04):
a fear or some kind of physical sensation. It could
just be, you know, you're feeling angry that day and
your chest is feeling really hot and buzzy and bubby
and whatever it is. You know, it could be a
nervous stomach. You go into that sensation and you just
sit in it, and you allow it to move, allow
it to be seen, and in the light of your
awareness already, it can start to dissolve on its own,

(44:27):
because what are we doing when we're healing, We're becoming whole.
We are integrating those parts of ourselves. That's how I
understand it. And so if there's a blockage in the body,
if there is pain, it'll be you know, it could
be a fear of something in your life. It could
be a fear of scarcity. It could be a fear
of conflict. It could be whatever the emotion is. You know,

(44:51):
whatever our trauma is, when we feel it, we are
allowing from the subconscious to go into the conscious mind.
That's how I understand it. So basically, when we have
a trauma, we are fracturing part of ourselves away because
we're we're not safe to feel that in that moment,
and so that sort of hurt part of ourselves gets

(45:15):
stored away in the subconscious usually you stored in the body,
and then it'll keep coming back, you know, either as
a physical symptom or as just a life circumstance. You know,
why does everyone treat me this way? You know, et cetera.
And when we go, when we go into a just
a quiet moment, we go into our bodies, we let
we let that pain or that emotion whatever wants to
come up, just allow it to come up to our

(45:39):
awareness and move through it dissolves on its own by
joining our conscious mind.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
I hope that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
It's a it's yeah, And so it's our way of
becoming whole. It's coming whole within ourselves. Aeration is a
very mystical path, but it's also very very very simple
and important in our daily lives. And so it's just
basically it's just feeling our emotions. That is a huge

(46:08):
part of the work that I do, because how much
of our society is based around us not showing our feelings,
not feeling our feelings. You know, either either taking a
numbts you know, whether it's a depression, you just to
kind of take a pill for that, you know, right,
or you know, any kind of the addictions that come up,
like you know, the word, we try to numb it out.

(46:28):
Or even if we're just pretending to be fine and
say oh I'm fine when we're not. You know, all
of that is just it's just in our way of
our healing. And so healing is so much easier than
we think because it's really just sitting back, stop fighting,
stop resisting, and just allow it's there. It's actually the
easiest thing in the world if you're brave enough.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
So what about I talk a lot about house lives
and things that we've carried with us from past lives,
and a lot of the healing work that I do
with people is getting in touch with the origins of
some of the stuff that we brought with us physically,
so karmic patterns like oh I hit that guy on

(47:14):
the head back in you know, second century BC, and
now I have headaches all the time. So do you
talk about that sort of thing, do you go back
that far and help people get to the source?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Yeah. Also it could be generational, Yeah, it can be
a past life, It could be ancestral, trauma that just
passed down through the line.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Yeah, we have ways to heal this, and it's really
not it's not impossible, you know, you do this work.
I mean it's it's very it's all quite possible. It's
all at our fingertips if we just are open enough
to allowing this. Maybe person kind of yet to use
a little bit of intuition sometimes, but we all have
it and you can't practice that. And so when the

(47:59):
feeling comes up, right, that's in the body, a lot
of information can come up too, and we may we
may see, uh, an image of a past life. Yeah,
we may see an image of our childhood. We may
see an image actually of something that's been passed down
on our generational line, and all of these things can
be healed. I think whatever is coming into our awareness
is exactly what needs to be looked at and healed

(48:21):
at that moment. So we're never going to be overwhelmed
with too much information, you know, just what is ready for,
what we're ready to see, you know, will come up
for us to be healing.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah. So you've mentioned sensitive, highly sensitive people and m
past talk a little bit about that, because I know
that a lot of people that are drawn to this
work or to doing this work definitely have both of
those qualities. How do how does that play into it?
How have you dealt with that in terms of what

(48:53):
you do with people? Oh, I think you're I think
she's frozen. Wow, we almost made it for an hour

(49:17):
without her freezing too terribly but doesn't look good. Oh
now we lost her. Okay, maybe she'll come back, and
maybe I'll have to answer that question myself. I find
that being sensitive is probably one of the most important

(49:39):
qualities that anyone has. And if anybody says, oh, you're
too sensitive, which is what I was raised with, don't
believe it. It's not true. Sensitivity is a gift, really,
and I think we've learned to suppress it and deny
it and avoid it because you know, it just doesn't work. Ah,

(50:00):
you're back. I was going to take over and talk
about my own experiences of sensitivity, so give me years.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
About being highly sensitive, Yes, it is a hard but
when you don't realize you're highly sensitive. About twenty percent
of the population are highly sensitive, so it affects men
and women the same. It's very kind of clear category.
You know, when you're setting personalities but it just means
that we take in more information. So when we are

(50:31):
dealing with trauma, it can be very very difficult because
we're taking it even more deeply. But when we're on
a healing journey and we are we have some positive influence.
We have, you know, a goal to do this healing,
to do to have a yeah, to just take charge
of our lives and feel better. We're even more responsive

(50:51):
to the healing because we're so sensitive, and so it
can be difficult, but it also can be your superpower
because a lot of us are highly sensitive, and if
we can work with it and do our healing work,
we have even more gifts and talents at our disposal
because we can really think very deeply. We think in

(51:13):
broad systems, We process things very very deeply. We have
very kind of profound realizations that kind of thing. So
it's not only just being oh, I'm so sensitive, you know,
you're hurting me emotionally. It's not just about that, but
you can really have a very deep and profound depth
of processing information. And so it just means you have
your nerves are kind of more open. You're actually physiologically

(51:34):
taking in more information.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah, while you were gone. I was saying, basically that
that it's really a power. It really is, and we're
taught that it's not good. You're so sensitive, you're just
so this and that, and that's just so silly, because
we are all sensitive and it's important to feel and
being an impath, you know, realizing that oh, this is
not mine, this is theirs is a superpower. Also, you know,

(52:02):
it's like, oh, okay, so I'm picking up anger right now,
what's going on with you? I mean, it's part of
being a healer. So yeah, so crucial.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
I mean you have to you have to separate that,
and you have to not only clear other people's energies
out of your field, but you also have to really
embody your own energy, you know, and not leak your
energy out in various ways. Even just we're worrying about
the past or thinking about the future can leak our energy,
for example, I mean, there's other ways. So so we

(52:32):
really have to be in our own energy, and then
it's so much easier not only to feel better in life,
but to tap into our intuition because if everyone else's
energies are all around here, you're listening to everybody's energies.
And listening to everybody's emotions in information, and it's gonna
be a lot harder to tune into.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Your own intuition.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
So yeah, I actually have a course on that that's free,
that it can be a free gift for people who
are interested that it'll help them tap into their into
just by clearing their field if they're an empathic So.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Tell us about you, what you're offering, tell us how
people can reach you, and those free things you're offering,
and anything else you want to tell us about what
you do.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Yeah, So the course I mentioned is is a free
course just on how learning to kind of tap into
your intuition by clearing out your field, by embodying your
own energy field and start communicating with your body. You know,
it's a very good basis to have. And then if
you're if you are interested in more, I actually have
a course called Talk to Yourselves and that is the

(53:35):
full premium level course on how to communicate with your
body to allow it to heal itself. And so it's
there's multiple methods and and thing and ways you can try,
but there will be something that works for everyone.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
And so it's it was kind.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Of the first important work that I brought out because
there were so many people needing that, and so I
really hope that it will give people the empowerments that
I want them to have, because I think when we're empowered,
all the other problems can be solved.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yes, and how do they find this course?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, so that's just all on my website on a
pascianty dot com.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Okay, great, well you keep up the good work and
reach out to Anna and re empower yourselves, rewild yourselves.
I love that expression, and let's heal the world definitely. Yeah.
I will see everybody on next Wednesday, and feel free

(54:40):
to reach out to me if you want to do
some deep work as well at Perfect Life Awakening dot
com or Roycemarrales dot com. And I hope everybody is
feeling good today. It's a beautiful day, and I'll see
you next week. Thank you again, Anna, thank you