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(00:15):
Okay, fuck six, I'm sixseven eight goes on and the beat goes
on. All right, So episodetwo, The Beat goes On, directed
by John Hoffman and written by BenSmith and Joshua Allen Griffith. Now,
I love this title as a continuationof the first title, The show Must
and then the Beat goes On.But I don't understand why it's called the

(00:36):
Beat goes on? And do youguys have thoughts on this? Yeah?
I think it has to do withwith Oliver's heartbeat. Yeah, oh my
god. Wow, Like the beatgoes on, like sometimes I miss things
and it makes me wonder, butlike, thank you know, he's still
living, like his heart is continuingto beat. And then at the same

(00:57):
time, at the end, whenthey announce that the you know, they're
like, oh, our podcasts,like they decide they're going to start podcasting
again, he uh, you know, pushes that button. Yeah. Yeah,
So like the beat goes on withthat. And also and he doesn't
believe I didn't And he also doesn'twant his he doesn't want the show to
be closed. And I don't rememberwhat he said, but like, you

(01:19):
know, like his his persevation andand he's just he's ready to keep on
fighting. You know, I reallycan't believe that I missed. No,
that's okay, that the beat goeson, dou Jade, like, I'm
very kind of embarrassed that I didnot. I'm embarrassed you are. You

(01:40):
are super sloth and you're focusing onwho killed I was then it was just
a thought that just kind of poppedinto my head just now, Like why
is it called that I didn't Really, I have to say I did not
think about this a lot, butthe fact that I couldn't put it together
Sonny and share too, Yeah,that's true. That opening line, which
was very kind of poignant and funnywith Ben saying when you're falling, all

(02:04):
you can hear is your heartbeat,and like it's been beating since the moment
you were born, and you neverpaid it any mind. And now the
last thought that pops into your headright before you hit the ground, So
I should have listened to it whenI still had the chance, which I
loved how they set that up withyou know, obviously Ben as he is
falling to his death in the elevatorshaft, and then the line with his

(02:31):
detective character in Death Rattle, Ijust love how good they are doing this
shit, Like, yeah, itwas beautiful. I loved that surreal kind
of falling down. They brought usthe surreal moments back to this episode.
Yeah, it's It ties into thewhole theme too, of kind of feeling
lost and like out in space,like how Mabel, you know, was

(02:53):
feeling. And yeah, it's beautiful. I loved I love starting out this
way. So after that little openingmoment, we see in reality it's a
what he's saying to Oliver when theywere they're rehearsing together. This is like
three months ago, one month afterthe first table read, which is weird
because he says we're only a weekinto this material or something. But I'm

(03:15):
like, no, the timestamp justsaid it was a month, right,
because a month from the table maybeeither like focusing on different like acts or
something. Yeah. I thought itwas just strange for him to say one
week and for us to get thatthree month mark. But anyway, so
Ben is struggling with the subtlety inthe play in his character, and then
we go back to the present whenKatie tells Oliver that the show is canceled

(03:38):
and he's not going to take itlying down. And then we go to
the opening credits. I did likewas this part at the beginning He's calling
Donna and Cliff and he gets Cliff'svoicemail and Donna's but you hear Cliff,
Hi, it's Cliff to Mayo,I am also a professional now, just

(03:59):
like, yeah, the whole nepotismthing with his mom. I that little
touches like that, I think arewould make this so much better. It's
really funny good. When they werein that rehearsal room and the rattle was
in the dummy's mouth and he pulledit out and it made this I was
just like my jaw was dropped.I was like, what the fuck am

(04:20):
I looking at? Like that isso weird? Is that another? Like?
I mean, I'm it reminded mea little bit of silence of the
Lambs when they pulled them off out, Like anything that goes down the throat
is really grotesque in a but thatthat that mannequin whatever was, it was
really there was a silence of thelamb's moment in that basement too. I

(04:42):
got a little silence of the limbsvibes whenever someone's like, you know,
trapped in a basement and someone's goingto torture them in a weird way.
Yeah, yeah, flashbacks now,but that, Yeah, I just thought
Katie at carrying that dummy was fuckinghilarious in the way that they kept they
were, you know, fighting withthe dummy. And finally Oliver yanks at
back and he throws her over hisshoulder and he's like holding her by the

(05:05):
crotch the dummy and he walks away. And then just the way the dummy's
head is like bobbing, just theway Katie was carrying her, and she's
all like pretzeled up in her armswith her legs up. She said,
dummy was really they used that verywell. It's a very comedic effect.
The dummy has been through a lot. Yeah, for dummy, it has

(05:26):
we I had a dummy in myhouse growing up. My mama and her
best friend they stole this dummy froma display I think it was like a
clothing store, a weird like clothingstore in p Town, and they were
driving home and they stole this dummy. It was, you know, it
was like a probably high or drunkenmoment. My mama was she was having
fun. I was thing like eightor nine years old and they came home

(05:49):
with this dummy and her name wasMadge, and we sat her in our
living room and she had this reallyugly green sweater on, and she's just
this life sized dummy with the wigand everything. And Madge was in our
lives. She was a part ofthe family for like a couple of years.
She always was there. Yeah,we would fool people into thinking she
was real. We had a ballisticsdummy at the DA's office and a skeleton

(06:13):
that we used for trial purposes thatwe named Buster. So you know,
does are so sometimes they're just funto have. Ayeah, I sadly have
not had a dummy. I feelreally left out. I gotta go get
one. Gotta go get one.Get yourself a dummy, girlfriend, boyfriend.
They're great substitutes for just people inyour lives. Okay, So after

(06:38):
that opening part, we get Mabelwatching girl Cop and she is looking at
the picture she took a Ben's deadbody in the elevator, and then she
has this surreal interview with a deadguy scene about feeling you know, lost
in life, and that this wasa good parallel moment to the Tim Kono
talking to the gun brains blown out. Yeah, I haven't talked to a

(07:00):
dead guy since him, but it'sI did like that they didn't show us,
you know, like Ben's cracked skulland blood, and this time she
envisioned him, envisioned him as hischaracter and girl cop completely put together.
Yeah. I thought it was funnytoo, how he was straight out of
the two thousands, like he keptsaying tight and sick. Yeah. See,

(07:24):
I thought, like the music thatthey played and their style. I
immediately had like early to mid ninetiessitcom flashbacks, especially with the music and
himself and the girl she had likethe little like twisty braids in the top.
Oh yeah, it was great.I just love the way that they
kept him in character for the flashback, like he was the girl Cop character

(07:46):
that Mabel loved so much. Youknow that was that was really what was
it when I was your age?I was a thirty year old man.
Yeah twenty one jump Street. Yeahtotally, yeah, she's no. I
liked how we we got again.Like with Mabel, we only get her

(08:07):
in pieces, and it's usually sharedwhen there's nobody there, so it's either
her and her, like you know, where she's just talking to herself and
like in her inner monologue or whenshe's having a conversation with a dead person.
But we know that she's twenty nineand that she dropped out of college,
she has no job, no placeto live. But what did he

(08:30):
say? He said, she's ashe's a late bloomer like he was,
and that, you know, don'twaste it, which I thought was really
good because you know, if anybodyis in that kind of part of their
life and they're like, shit,I have no idea what to do with
myself, that it's you know,it's not too late for you to do
something. Yeah. Yeah, Ijust find you know, as yeah,
yeah, as someone who's at thatsame age, you know, in my

(08:54):
life. I just always find Mabelso endlessly relatable and I love to see
this kind of a character. Wejust don't get enough people who are just
you know, am I doing theright thing in life? I don't know.
I have doubts. You know,it's scary. It's like it's a
scary time to be when you're inyour middle of your life, you know,
yeah, yeah, there's expectations puton you where like I should be

(09:15):
here, I should be there.Look at these other people and it's like
that's all shit, that's all goingto fuck you over. Not the comparison
game is now you just don't doit, You just don't do it at
all. Yeah. Well, yes, I do like to thinking because I
was sitting there thinking about how niceit is that, yes, like Mabel
is talking to this character that wefind out later she had a real attachment

(09:41):
to for a reason in her life, but that it's her kind of in
her head reassuring herself and talking itthrough and being able to address you know
that she clearly feels lost. Andthe device that they you know, used
to do it. I think it'sjust so clever as opposed to us getting

(10:03):
you know, a voice over withMabel walking with her headphones on or something.
Right. Yeah, and the factthat we got the explanation for the
finger gun thing that bit towards herat the table read It was like their
secret handshake and girl cup, whichwas great when she and Charles tried it
later. Oh I love that.Good. But it's just seeing Mabel self

(10:28):
soothe and comfort herself again in thisyou know, conversation with a dead man.
I just I think it's so creativeand I'm just nerding out over the
choices that the writers make on thisshow. Well and see this is this
is a part where I did notmind Paul Rudd at all. I think
it's not that he's a bad actor. That's not what I'm trying to say.

(10:50):
I just don't dig the stick thathe's doing here, you know.
And I get that this is athing that a lot of people enjoy,
so that's why he keeps doing it. It's just like it's a joke,
it's a bit and I'm like,I totally feel you. I see what
you're doing here, and bravo fordoing for committing, but I'm just not
fine in the bit funny. Yeah, it's just me, you know.
I think more likely interested to seeit's much more likable in this old cop

(11:15):
yeah than he is in Oh Yeah. Episode two helped a whole lot for
the for the Ben Glenroy character.Anything else. Yeah, I was gonna
say it wasn't one of our mainpoints because it's kind of a throwaway when
before they meet up to go toBen's funeral. In the next scene,

(11:35):
when Oliver is in Charles's apartment,that's where my most marvelous moment is.
Okay, so we see the triomeet up to go to Ben's funeral.
Oliver is gonna go to talk tothe producers, you know, Clevean Data,
and Mabel is going Saluthin. Sowhat what is the timestamp? Right?

(11:56):
It's at nine ten to nine twentytwo and it's right before Mabel gets
there. And it was just themoment I think that caught me off guard
and made me laugh the most.And Steve Martin's delivery as Oliver is going
over, you know, Charles notgetting along with Ben, and he's like,

(12:16):
I hope you told all this tothe cops, and he's like,
I gave him a long list ofwitnesses. I love the doctor's note saying
I'm too weak to kill and helike gestures like he's stabbing. He's just
like out like, I don't knowwhy, but that sent me. I
had to pause it. I waslike, it was so funny. It's
just Martin and his physical comedy inhis delivery just always makes me happy.

(12:39):
It complicated, but ultimately copathetic workingrelationship. He'll be gave the police a
better performance than whatever that was.I gave them an honest statement, not
to mention a complete list of alibiwitnesses and a doctor's note saying I'm too
weak to kill. I'm don't havetime to plumb the depths of your concert.

(13:00):
Donna and Cliff are dodging my calls. I have to convince them not
to kill my show. Oh sonow you're the victim here, not the
man in the box. All Ineed is five minutes. Give me five
minutes in a room, and Ican convince anyone of anything that is not
true. I convince you to getparamount plus. That's great. Hey,
hey did she get a haircut?I'm sorry? Yeah, oh yeah,

(13:24):
Yeah, that's got I found.It's literally funny. It's like a shag.
I find it really funny too thatin season one I think she was
talking about how bad she looks withbangs, and so as soon as I
saw in the mini trailer the teaserthat Mabel head bangs of, my first
oh yeah, I forgot. Literallymy first note that I took about season
three in general is lol, Mabelnow has bangs. Yeah, it's like

(13:46):
what happened girl? And she cuther hair off in season two? Yeah,
you're right, good callback Jane.Yeah, it was the first thing
I thought. I love them,I love them so much, and Mabel
like right before I think it's asthey're walking down to the funeral and they're
talking to her and they call herthe glue to the Oliver and Charlie yea,

(14:11):
which without you were just two piecesof stale white bread bread. That's
when I texted you, guys thatI couldn't stop grinning. It's just oh,
yeah, I'm so happy. Yeah, it's so good. I just
love to see the three of themtogether. It's like, give us more
of that, okay, so thatwe're not gonna anyway, sorry, like

(14:31):
you say that, and I'm worriedthat we're not gonna have enough trio moments
this season because of how many characterswe have. I had that thought,
you know, just like we talkedwith Mazel. The core character or the
core relationship that we watched with Mazelwas Susie and Midge, and the first

(14:52):
two episodes, I was like,I need more Oliver and this is okay.
So this is what happens with whenshe do more than two or three
seasons. When they get into likethose later seasons, it's a great show.
And then they they're great because ofthe thing that they that we all
find like a well, yeah,it's like it's our home base with these

(15:13):
characters. It's cozy, it's it'slike our touchstone point. And for only
memners in the building, it's thisthreesome. It's this trio that is just
such great chemistry and we all justlove when they're all solving crime together and
in their group. You know,now that we're getting into later seasons though,
they have to do something different.They have to show us something that
they haven't seen before. They can'tkeep doing the same thing over and over.

(15:37):
The only detriment to that is justlike we were saying with Mazel,
you're splitting up our the heart,you're breaking the heart, and you're spreading
them too far apart. Yeah,so I do worry that seeing how many
characters we have here. Yeah,that is that was in my in the
back of my brain too. Andespecially if we are sacrificing the trio in
order to get Paul Rudd flashbacks.Yeah, get along, like, yeah,

(16:02):
I just I get what they're doing. I just don't happen to find
it funny. All right. Soat the funeral, we see all of
our talk to this theater critic Maxine, who we learned was she was going
to pan the show. She didnot like it. And then Oliver is
flashing back to another rehearsal with Benas he is having a heart attack.

(16:22):
So let's talk about this Maxine thingfirst. So Maxine is played by Noma
Domeswenni, and I loved her inThe Watcher. I love Maxine this.
I don't know why. I justreally enjoyed this moment just seeing Noma Domswanni.
She's just got this voice, thispresence that I find so relaxing and

(16:44):
comfort. I could watch her actanything. I just really love her.
So when I saw her as Maxine, I got really excited. Yeah,
I did like it, But youknow, I think what was interesting about
him is that, like, youknow, he brought back the what did
he call it? The tell fromwhat from season two that he's like,

(17:04):
you know, I noticed when youclose her book that you know, she
likes to play, and I sawthat you close your book and she's like,
m I ran out of ink,and and it was you know,
sorry, you're not always right,Oliver. And you know, even though
she wasn't going to publish her review, she wasn't going to hold back.
And I think that kind of gaveOliver a little bit of a push and

(17:26):
yeah, totally gave him that inspirationof what he was going to do next.
So yeah, I did. Shesaid the play just didn't sing,
which was a lovely little bit offoreshadowing. Yes, I did enjoy that
she thought Ben was terrible, Like, well, that's right, she said.
When she said he's putting on abetter performance right now than you did

(17:48):
your opening night, I was like, too true. I was actually wondering
totally, was like, yep,was he cast because like a publicity like
you know, have they cast likebig names to get people in the seats?
Was that the producer's decision to havehim because he doesn't seem like somebody
that Oliver would pick. Yeah,And maybe Oliver went along with it because

(18:11):
he was, you know, likeI got a job big. Yeah,
because he seemed to, you know, be all in with him in terms
of his acting, Like he didn'tseem to have many complaints and he was
kind of the only one laughing everynow and then. It Ben's antics,
So I was just like, maybehe just saw it as this is a

(18:34):
he focused on his show being successful, right, And not to bring up
more Masal, but It reminded meof you know, Sophie Lennon really wanting
to get her foot in the doorand Broadway. And obviously Ben who later
references, you know, the kindof clout his broke theater friends had because
they were in these off Broadway showsand making their Broadway debuts and having artistic

(19:02):
integrity. Yeah. Right, Andso it was interesting to hear him saying,
yeah, it was interesting to hearhim say that he felt like as
an actor he was lost in life, Like he was looking at his other
actor friends who are actually acting inthings they were passionate about, and he
was doing Girl Cop. But Iwas like thinking to myself, Yeah,
but yeah, but you had ajob, dude, you were in it.

(19:25):
You were in a TV show.How lost could you be? It
was a little bit like you're astar. Yeah yeah, which which does
make the Paul Rudd character that Ialways want to call him Paul Rod sorry,
Ben Glenroy character makes it kind ofnot make a whole lot of sense
because he is claiming to have allthese hang ups about his performing ability as

(19:45):
in his personality, and he knowshe's an asshole, And I'm like,
yeah, but you have all thissuccess like you're a star. It just
didn't. I don't know. We'lltalk about it more when we talk about
the how Charles relates to his hisissues, his anger. But yeah,
Ben, in this flashback with Oliverwhen they're rehearsing he we hear about he

(20:06):
says he's a phony, which iskind of funny because it's just my exact
criticism of Paul Rudd. I justalways get the sense that he's disingenuous in
the way that I get the sensethat Matthew brought her. It is just
disingenuous, Like I never believe them, even in these moments when when he
was acting better, this was PaulRudd's best moments when he was being real

(20:26):
with Oliver in rehearsal. I stillI still want Paul Rudd to just be
himself. It's just the message ofthe character, which is why kind of
an interesting part. More interesting partof the show actually, and something I
really like about it is watching likePaul Rudd play a character that I think
is everything that he's feeling that heneeds to learn. I'm like, Paul

(20:48):
Rudd, you need to apply theselessons to you to your acting abilities as
well. Just be yourself. Youmust love the little feral then if are
you being sarcastic? Yes, becauseI love Bill Farrell. Right. The
only thing never off. Yeah.The only Will Farrell thing that has ever
really made me laugh, like justdie laughing was more Cowbill. I'll always

(21:12):
love more Cowbill. Just watches himbang that Cowbill. Yeah, that was
That's a classic. Yeah. Ican appreciate Will Ferrell and Paul rud have
funny moments, you know, Ijust want them to be themselves and just
you know, yeah, just stop, stop all the all the razzle and
the dazzle and just make keep itsimple, you know, just never sometimes
every now and again, what isit you said? Razzle dazzle? I

(21:36):
was like, was it death rattledazzle? Is? Yeah, that's that's
that's what Oliver calls it. Yeah, So anything else about what Oliver and
Ben we're talking about in their rehearsal. I just thought it was beautiful that
they were finally Ben has his heartattack speech. So Ben mentions that he
hates his voice here, and that'swhat Oliver says, that you only have

(21:59):
a voice, and I agree,I agree, this was a really nice
one. But I think again itwas it was nice because of the Oliver
character. The Martin Short character kindof brought out the good out of Ben
and that vulnerability out of Ben becauseand that heart attack speech awful. Yeah,
and that heart attack speech was hisfinally his okay acting moments though.

(22:22):
Yeah, but all I have tosay is it was really hard and unenjoyable
to watch Martin Short have a heartattack yet like that we could kind of
go over that. Yeah, thatwas really a lot didn't like it.
I was, I mean, Iget that it has to happen for the
show, but I was just like, no, please, no, please
stop this, just say no inall caps with a ship ton of ohs.

(22:45):
I was like, I know he'snot gonna die, at least not
right now. They won't do that, but still it's like it's too real.
Yeah, beautiful filmmaking though, theway that they cut back and forth
with that and his when he wasso moved by Ben. Yeah, he's
clutching his heart, nailing and clutchinghis heart, and then him clutching his
heart on the stairs as he's havinga heart attack. I was like,

(23:07):
this is beautiful and I hate it. Yeah, I know, Yeah,
it was beautiful and so terrible.So okay, then let's get to this
funeral. At the funeral, Mabelmeets Greg, Ben's security guard Lord,
who's also investigating Ben's death, andMabel and Charles end up going to Greg
the stranger's house to look at hisfiles, and we find out Greg is
a legit stand fan of Ben Glenroyand then he chloriforms Mabel and Charles and

(23:30):
chains them in the basement. Butbefore we get to the basement, what
did we think about the funeral?Well, let me just go to funeral
really quick. It was hilarious howthey were to overflow three yes, like
they were. It was a factthat, like Mabel was a stranger in
consideration, and they were all inthe same place that Oliver and Charles were

(23:51):
put in that one. Oliver wasso so pissed off. I want to
be too. It sounds like aplumbing emergency, a low priority plumbing emergency.
I don't know if you noticed thatBobo was eating popcorn yep, so
that was kind of perfect I thinkat this funeral. Oh yeah, well
I loved their exchange too. Iwant to know who Bobo is, Like,

(24:15):
what do we need more about Bobo? But when Oliver is trying to
figure out how to finagle his wayinto the prime seats in the church,
and he's naming, you know,the different parts of the church and the
architecture, and he looks at Charles. When Charles is throwing it out there,
he's just like, who are youthe hunchback of Notre Dame? Like
that whole exchange when he names thearchitect of Notre Dame and he's like,

(24:41):
contrats on winning Jeopardy. It's sofunny, like, oh, do a
cross word. It was so funny. It was really good. And I
also like that how Oliver used Charlesas a distraction by calling his boot.
It was played angels and bosops cut. That was so good. That was
fantastic. And when Mabel at theend, when Mabel says something like are

(25:04):
you okay being by yourself and he'slike no, and they run off together.
They just they have such great chemistry. But I did enjoy Greg's introduction
with the very dramatic you know,something's rotten in the state of Denmark.
Whoever, the writers clearly loved theirShakespeare on the show. Oh yeah,

(25:26):
we hearing him say that with thatcreepy glare, like why did she think
it was okay to talk to thatguy? Yeah, she's like, oh
Hamlet, And I was like,all right, Mabel, He's like no,
and it's like such a cheesy joke, but it was buying immediately,
no questions asked that he did securityfor Ben. I was like, all

(25:49):
right, okay, but maybe Imean, I just gotta love our sweet
little nice She's not Maybe that's whyI was just like, I know doing
like, you're so smart? Okay, so who kept your knitting needle close
by to stab someone that braces intoyour apartment? Like and the little tidy
guy who was following her? Becausedo you see my point? This is

(26:14):
why Kara is Mabel, because likethis is getting Mabel noticed that Mabel wouldn't
act like that. Yeah, Ithought to myself, Mabel is supposed to
have the strap smarts here, andshe's she's the most. Charles was the
one who was nice, unless unlessthere is something going on that has thrown
her off her game that also causedher to get bangs and be kind of

(26:37):
off, then I will accept it. But in this moment, I was
like, what the fuck? Mabelwould not fall for this ship like Charles
would be the one standing there beingimpressed that he quoted Hamlet and then was
like, yeah, let's go toyour house and look at these files.
And I would see Mabel as beingthe skeptical one, but it was I
mean, it was funny. Itwas so I accept but I was just
like, m Mabel, you're thislike, this is not Yeah, I

(27:02):
was cute. Greg knew exactly whatto say to get the two of them
back disappartment. He was like,oh, yeah, all those people,
all these suspicious people, all thedeath threats against Ben oh I got violent,
he hasn't shown to the evidence,doesn't trust cops, and yeah,
which I was like, Okay.I was like, one, Okay,
sure that would make sense. Butalso I was like, why would you

(27:25):
not share these things with the copsif they're trying to solve the murder of
the guy that you were hired toprotect. So in like, Okay,
I don't have a problem with thisover the topness. In season three,
we're getting here, like all thecharacters are just really extra, but like
it's a little inconsistent with the Mabelthing. It's true. The more I

(27:45):
was trying not to think about ittoo much, but the more I do
think about it. I'm like,this is strange for this show because usually
they are good at sticking to charactertraits and things. Yeah, I reserve
judgment to see what happens maybe inthe next couple of episodes if there's an
explanation. But that did did botherme. I was like, cant but

(28:06):
and as soon as they walked intohis house and there was so much ben
stuff, I was like, ohno, this is a shrine, like
this is dah, this is notgood. And then, of course and
the photoshop picture, Oh come,I haven't seen you before. I was
like, oh shit, that's terrible. They that was rookie mistake. Yeah.

(28:30):
The realization, well, Charles andMabel being stupid first of all going
to this kind's important or house,and the realization that they start to have
that he's more of an obsessed fan, which is funny because he said to
Mabel about how she was like,oh, so you know, He's like,
yeah about all those crazy fans andthreats, and I was just like,
oh no, he's one. Heis one of them. Yeah,

(28:52):
so let's talk about this. Thefact that he turns out to be a
stand and all of the paraphernalia inhis house was crazy, and so the
props department, Oh my gosh,what were you going to say? Ben
sent it to me like I justpants from old Navy. Yes, They're
like, oh where are these pantsfrom old Navy. I was like,
I'm like, oh good. Andhow did he get all of this stuff

(29:17):
like that? That was so socreepy and I wonder how much access he
actually had to been like, ifGreg will i know, pop up at
some point in the future to helpthem maybe because if he was that obsessed
with him, I'm assuming he wasstalking him. Yeah, and maybe observe
something. Yep, that'll be important. It's kind of same thought. I

(29:41):
can't remember which one of you broughtit up with Robert with the t Talbert
documentary, and he's gonna end uphelping out. Yeah, he's gonna on
the team. I wouldn't be surprisedif Greg got on the team too,
and they use and Charles used janlast season to help them with with you
know, figuring out who traded touse her resources. Yeah, just sleep

(30:04):
with them too, even if they'vetried to kill them more harm them in
the past. So yeah, butthat was really that was really scary.
That was that was scary. Iwasn't really scared of jand so much like
it was funny when that whole thingkind of happened Greg with his kitchen torch.

(30:26):
I don't think it came before beforewe get there though. Can we
talk about his apartment? There werethese posters. Did you see the posters?
And did you see the big oneof Ben Glenroy. It said Ben
Glenroy as Papa Aunt in the AuntFamily Adventure. This is cracky because of
course the Aunt man, so theymade him Papa Aunt. He was the
boys of Papa Aunt. And theneverything was labeled with the date and when

(30:49):
Ben used it. And then theyhad this candle of Ben as Jesus.
You know those like those Jesus kids. I haven't been Vader Ginsburg one of
those. Oh it's also the patronSaint. Yeah, but the Paul Rudd
face on the cam the Jesus.That was nice. And she had a
female dog named Ben. Yes,I love that as soon as the dog.

(31:14):
That's when as soon as the dogcame in and he said the dog's
name was Ben, I was like, oh shit, he is obsessed,
Like he's not. Yeah, maybewas like a safe space. Yeah,
so what did you guys think whenhe chloroformed them? What was your thought
when when the fucking cloths came outand Mabel dropped and then he went for
child? Like, what did youguys think at this moment when you were
watching the I do you remember?I just I remember being like, oh,

(31:37):
how are they going to get outof this one? Like when they
you know, when was it Oliverand Mabel that get taken by Teddy and
kind of intimidated and yeah, yeahfirst season. Yeah, it reminded me
of that. I was not expectingto us to jump to a scene of
them chained in the basement and thengetting almost started happening. You guys.

(32:00):
I literally sat out loud on likewhat the fuck is happening here? Like,
yeah, when Greg just turns andchloroforms these two, I was just
like, what is going on?So okay? So in the basement too
real? Too real? Yeah.So before we get to the end with
Greg coming back, they have Mabelsand Charles have these basement talks you know,

(32:21):
where they you know, discuss Benand like Mabel discusses her connection to
Ben, which I very much neededfor this to make sense to me.
I needed to make sense why Mabelwas so in love with this guy and
why she was able to just kindof put aside, like we were saying,
all of her Mabel common sense.Yeah, but so yeah, I

(32:44):
enjoyed that conversation with Charles about howit made mother together. Yeah, they
got over we know father much herdad meant to her. So as soon
as they made that connection, Iwas like, Okay, I can see
why she's more forgiving. I thoughtit was really good storytelling, taking something
that they have really given us along time to understand. This is very

(33:07):
important to Mabel. Like all ofseason two was a lot, well not
all of it, but a lotof it was about Mabel and her father.
So yeah, using this as ayeah, and it got me a
little more okay with Ben Glenroy,especially as he related to Mabel, Like
it helped me this episode, likewe were saying, it helped me to

(33:29):
swallow Paul Rudd's acting. Maybe that'swhy they released the two episodes together,
just so that way you weren't like, who I hate this guy? Yeah?
Yeah, I mean maybe yeah,because I don't know if a lot
of people would have come back forfor episode two the next week. I
know I could if I wasn't likeso in love with this show and just

(33:49):
a casual viewer. I yeah,Paul Rodd might have turned me on.
I didn't do a good job ofkeeping it like poignant and light even though
they're chained in the spacement because itwas scary. Still felt it was scary,
but it still felt like silly enoughto you know, be like,
Okay, this isn't that serious.Because when Mabel's like what she's yanking on

(34:14):
the chains like around the pillar,and Charles is just like, uh,
you know you're not going to ripthis pillar out of the ground. This
is a pre war building. Iffascism lit it, tear it down.
I was just like, oh,that's a good line. Yeah, I
figured that. I do. Youwere gonna like that one? It made

(34:34):
me. Can you please explain tome what Mabel was attempting to do to
get free though, like she waspilos cho. All she was doing was
pulling Charles's arms back, and she'slike, oh, I'm like, what
are you struggling against Selena Gomez?What is happening here? I was like,
at least take your portion of thechain or have you both like pull
against the pillar. It just didn'tmake any sense to me. When she

(34:57):
sat down, she was like,uh fuck. I was like, what
are you struggling to do? AndCharles was just like sitting there. He's
like, what are we going todo? We're done? Yeah, like
which you know, I guess,which does not help to panic. The
only way it would have helped topanic is if those were weak as chains
and Mabel's like struggling all of asudden actually broke one of them. But

(35:19):
I was just like, Mabel,maybe, yeah, yeah, that is
not doing shit. Yeah, AndI guess I'm thinking about it now with
the Greg plotline before we talk aboutCharles and Ben. Yeah, I think
that the Greg thing, it felta little forced to me. What did

(35:40):
you guys think? It felt likethere was low stakes with it, and
like the fact that you were saying, he Charles is just sitting there completely
nonplussed in this basement like it kindof even Steve Martin couldn't get worked up
enough to be at all anxious ornervous about being in this basement. He
was like, Okay, give methe quick and painless death. These actually

(36:00):
make that too. That was Imean, it was funny, but I
just thought it was like it wasvery situations. So I took it as
like they're just like great, ofcourse, like this is part for the
course. It's a comedy, andyou know, I can see what you're
saying, but I saw it asjust them. I just did the tone

(36:22):
light and I guess it's just atno point did I think that they were
actually in any danger. Because theway that the whole steam was played,
I don't know, it was justand I get it, like, you're
not it's just Greg. You're notreally supposed to suspect him. He's just
there to keep the cops preoccupied sothat they think they caught the killer.
We have a person, you know. I just I don't know. I
just the way that the Greg plotlineplayed out, it seemed. Don't get

(36:45):
me wrong. I was enjoying theship out of it with all of yours.
I just was caught. I wasjust caught off guard by it.
It was like, wait, whatwe went from the funeral to them being
kidnapped in a basement by some creepobecause we had to somehow realize that Ben,

(37:06):
you know, Ben's Ben still hadhis handkerchief, so the one in
his hand or whatever was not hishandkerchief. Like, I feel like it
was just a very roundabout way toget us to that clue and introduces us
to the new detective detective Yeah,which, yeah, Bislaw comes in and

(37:27):
saves the days. Yeah, Ilike I did. Like he's like,
oh, yeah, Detective Williams toldme about y'all and charless like that we
were here. I was like,no, like that, Steve mind God,
I love him, so I knowhe's so lovable. Guess a couple
of things about Greg his last seamsRivera and then he said he worked at

(37:52):
some type of restaurant. So Ifeel like somebody else they're gonna come back.
I really do. I think thatwe're going to come back to something
they're gonna find them at. Idon't know him with that blowtorch and he
was like he doesn't think I'm goodenough to be a SUX chief. He
should see me now, And whenhe had the blowtorch in Steve Martin's face
and Stevens Martin's just like, yeah, like you're just trying to blow the

(38:14):
flame out of the blowtorch. Ienjoyed that. Yeah, Like it was
very you're right, like there wereit was there were no stakes at all,
like we know they're going to getout of it, yeah somehow,
like nothing serious is going to happen. But I think it was too enjoyable
for a minute to really bother melike that they're you know, because I
don't think that's the point. Idon't think the point is for us to

(38:34):
really think that Charles is going tokill them. Ever, so they did
a good job. I get whatyou're saying. Care They did a good
job of keeping it light for thatreason, so that it was just there
to keep the cost. It wouldhave been way too much of a tonal
shift for it to be really serious, and also putting in an episode two.
Maybe that's better that they didn't haveit later, because then, oh

(38:55):
yeah, it would because it wasso obvious that they were going to be
fine. And I was like,well, okay, obviously Greg's not the
killer, like it's too early.And then you know, Mabel when as
soon as she kind of writes Gregoff as the killer, I was like,
yes, Mabel, you're correct,let's go down this you know line.
Doesn't Charles say like you know,oh look, we were about to

(39:16):
find a Killer. We usually don'tdo that till episode eight. Yes,
like that usually takes us at leasteight episodes, And I was like,
there aren't eight episodes in this season. No, No, there's ten.
There's ten. We got eight becausethey can't. Yeah, because it's a
mission show. So they're never goingto give the screeners ten because they don't
want to start screeners grow me off. I was just like, oh,

(39:39):
but then, yeah, that makessense. But yeah, I did love
that. I did love that metacall out though I was waiting for it
because they always have a call outto like this doesn't feel like a finale
yet, or like this it's oursecond season. It's usually the Oliver.
Yeah, it's usually the Oliver line. But I did this is when Greg
kind of has at throw a lineabout Ben and how he got fired from

(40:06):
the first ever TV show he wason when he was eight at the funeral
too, Did you guys hear that? And I was like at this point,
I was like, Okay, soit's Brasos right, Like that's why
this is happening, like that they'rementioning this. He would be the right
age at that point in time,and I just I don't know. I

(40:29):
thought at least that aspect of it, of giving us those little hints.
They did a good job. Itwasn't hitting us over the head with it.
But what do you mean the hintjust enough, like the hints of
why you know, building up Ben'scharacter and why he has this animosity,
Oh it's Charles, And how thenhe tries to assert his you know,

(40:52):
because of his insecurity and what he'sgone through. He tries to then get
Meryl Streep's character booted just like hegot booted. I thought it was,
you know, all very nicely tiedtogether without feeling like I'm being shit in
the head with it over and overagain because it Yeah, I don't know.
I thought it was good character developmenttotally. When when Charles gets blamed

(41:16):
for him, he basically Paul Rodbasically screams at him like you're the reason
I'm an asshole because you made meinsecure, like not helping me like you
at all. But it's like I'mgonna blame all of my problems on you.
Yeah, and all right, inthis moment when they're having this argument

(41:37):
in the dressing room, you guysgot to see this hold on. So
look, can we look at thisPlease this what this is Paul Rod's hair.
If you're just listening on a podcast, please go look at the episode
when then is like in the doorwayof his dressing room and he's about to
leave, and he's yelling at Charles, what is happening with Paul Rod's hair

(41:59):
right now? Was baffling. Karenhat hair, Karen hair. It looks
like a rooster from the side.I have a really great shot of it.
You guys assumed it was from hislittle fedora that he wears in the
play. Oh, Kara is sothoughtful. I just see the little tuft
right here and then the peacock androoster asked it. Yeah, it looks

(42:21):
like a cockatoo special peacock bird.Yeah, it's pretty good. So I
had to. That reminds me twoof more parallels with you know, Brazos,
and he was clearly so excited tobe on the show and it's his
first show. And Brazos's character asthis investigator and he wears the same little
type you know, typical fedora likeinvestigator hat and I just I don't know,

(42:46):
I like, I love those littletouches. Yeah, yeah, they
throw in there, and I'm curiousto see more of how this kind of
rivalry develops between Charles and Ben,because if obviously it was more back and
forth than just a couple of times, if Charles was making sure he had

(43:09):
a long list of alibis to provideto the cops, and he seemed genuinely
worried that he would be centered,especially because the blood drippnesses had. Did
we know when in a timeline thatconversation that no, no, that conversation
happened when went so this was thatwas three months ago? Is when Charles

(43:29):
and okay, no, no,no, what do you mean three When
Charles and Ben had that conversation thatwas the same same night night as when
Oliver. Yeah, so then you'reright, carry they had to have more
conflict. That didn't That didn't solvetheir conflict at that point. Yeah,
yeah, especially like you know,you could tell that Charles had seemed kind

(43:52):
of genuinely moved by the performance hesaw out of Ben. And as soon
as he said I can't even remember, he compliments him and been like a
good job, good job, mockshim and responds back. I was just
like, whoa man? All right, there's definitely more there. Well,
Ben says, I could kick youout of the show if I wanted to,

(44:13):
but I'm just gonna let him stayhere and make it hell for you.
So yeah, what's like, that'sthreatening. I'm not excited for this,
you guys. I'm not excited forthese obnoxious Ben Glenroy moments. We're
no, we're doubtless going to getas we flash back to yeah and then
so we know we know that hewas the reason he got fired, but
they also mentioned that Ben supported hismom and brother, so I know,

(44:36):
well, so wonder what's going onwith Yeah, with Dickie. Yeah,
he said he came on as aseries regular to be a boy genius or
something. That was his role andhe Charles called him a phony and got
him fired. And now did healso say something about like didn't you move
your hands a lot or something?Yet with your hands like instead of immediately

(44:59):
being like, oh, I'm sorrythat had an impact on you, he's
like, I'm going to justify this, like I think I remember why you
sucked. Yeah, Yeah, Iknow, Charles, she's so up to
sometimes. Yeah, but I did. I don't know the main thing that
I took away from that whole thingwith Greg and Charles and Mabel was finding

(45:22):
out that Greg took the handkerchief fromBen's apartment when he was looking for clues
the night he died, so obviouslythat's important. And when he was looking
for clues and collectibles, he wasalso there, so clearly Greg has to
That was such a funny that thenight I was there looking for clues and

(45:43):
collectibles. I was like, allright, man, oh my god.
And when when he was saying confess, confess, and Mabel goes help,
help, I was like, thisis a great acting here, guys.
That seems like it was so zany, like bluey Tune special. Yeah it
was, but yeah, I thinkit was just there for comedic effect.

(46:04):
I really don't think it needs tobe taken like they were trying to be
sincere with it at all. Sookay, the end here, Yeah,
Mabel's and Charles then speculate on thehandkerchief in Ben's hand and how he got
that and how he, you know, might have died, and Oliver has
his Fossey fever dream, and thenMabel and Charles tell Oliver that the killers

(46:24):
in the show, and then they'regetting the podcast back together. So I
thought it was a really cool momentwhen Ben fell when they kept like maybe
he grabbed the handkerchief out of thehand or maybe he was around their neck.
It could have been anybody. Itwas another cool, surreal moment with

(46:45):
this show. It does so well. And I wonder about the handkerchief and
how quickly that's going to come backup, like if that is going to,
you know, be something that playsout or the whole season, or
if it'll end up being a redherring and leading us to know, oh,

(47:05):
you know, it's a that's athing, Like it's so early that
I'm gonna overthink it and ruin itfor myself, but it'll be fun.
So let us talk about the mostmarvelous moment of episode two for Erica and
I yes, worried fossy fever dreammoment. I have one on a daily
basis. Oh we all as weall? Should you need to reduce stress?

(47:32):
Bland bleak, tell me about it. Leak just didn't sink, just
didn't sink. I never hold back. Neither should do Ladies and gentlemen.
Let's take it from that time.Relax, Patinam you know I'm not into

(48:07):
this musical shit. You're making amess of things. All over. She's
right, you better listen. Listenup, daddy. You got too much
stress. Let it go. You'rea mess soo much. The show,

(48:29):
the show can't go on. Stopstop stop, please stop that So okay,
wait, you guys gotta look this, these faces that Steve Martin is
making. So please watch this sceneand just look at Steve Martin. Just

(48:52):
look at the way he is inin in this little bowler hat, like
get up. You know there's apart at the end too. Watch this
party where he puts the you gothat like so like that hat up down
the way he looks right there.It just I was pausing and just cracking
up. And also Will a genius, like he is brilliant. It's he

(49:17):
can do physical comedy like none other. Oh my god, and I really
enjoyed whole effort, but very yeah, he makes it look so easy.
Ryan Bruce sard as Will in thisdance number when he was like listen up,
daddy. Yeah that was cute.Oh my gosh. That it was

(49:37):
too that Jazz I was trying tothink of who it was Anne Ryan King,
who was his girlfriend his daughter?And who his ex wife? Who's
sing him there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they Yeah,
I really I love that so much. Yeah so good makes me want
to just jazz hands yet, Yeah, I get some jazz hands. Go

(49:58):
and watch watch more Fossy. It'sjust genius. I could watch these characters
in particular do that all day.Yeah. I did like the reference.
Uh you know when the doctors they'retalking to Oliver about his heart attack and
he mentions, he's like, youknow, Fuzzy had like five and then

(50:20):
Noah is that Will had a blank? Will? I don't know where you
came from, marvelous missus Basil,that's the whole O. My god,
that was crazy. A Freudian notnot Freudian, but just a slip Amazilian
slip. Slip says something like yeah, but he died after you know,

(50:40):
his fifth one, and he's like, oh you did read the book I
gave you. That was precious andhis you know Oliver the doctor telling him,
you know your BP is one sixtyover one hundred, and he's like,
is that high? Yes, he'shigh? Good? No, no,
And then he asked that in hisdiet and they mentioned the dips.

(51:01):
That was so ridiculous. I haveno more dips, like all dips you
must cut out. I'm like,why, why no dips? There are
plenty of dips. He could eatme. He was not the he just
had to say it for dramatic.Yeah, but his little as soon as
he told him, you know youhave an arrhythmia. We're gonna set you

(51:22):
up with you know, this thingthat monitors your regular heartbeat. So when
you feel your heart start to youknow, beat a regularly or get out
of hand, you press that button. And I was like, oh,
there are going to be some greatmoments with that throughout the season. Oh
yeah, like that's gonna be veryinteresting, I'm sure. And of course

(51:43):
he's now inspired to do right.So yeah, Death Rattle Dazzle, which
is so good. It's a musicalwon thank god. When he was set
talking to Donna and Cliff on thephone and he's like, oh, yes,
i'd love you give each other abig kiss on the lips for me.
Yeah, it's horrifying. Oh god. And then when when they were

(52:06):
like the killers in the cast,he was like, press button activate it
is. I do like that theyrelease both of these at the same time
because it does a very good jobsetting up the rest of the season for
us. Yeah, I was gonnajust say the teasers and the trailer kind
of you know, we're in thesetwo episodes too. I don't know if
I have to watch him again tosee if there's something we miss. Well,

(52:28):
Mabel in a wedding dress. Ithink that's a favorite dream or something
I can't imagine because it also didn'tlook like her style wedding anyway, That's
what I mean. Nothing about itmade sense. Yeah it didn't. Yeah,
that was the Matthew Broderick moment thatobviously, and we haven't seen a
lot from the documentarian Jesse. Yeah, I would love to see Hubbert from

(52:52):
Robert with the tea. I thinkhe's gonna end up somehow with what's her
face? I almost said Selena forMabel. Yeah, like yeah, that's
the big question is if they're goingto get together. I don't think.
I don't know. I would hatefor them to always make Mabel like romantically

(53:13):
connected to someone. I'm kind ofserious. Yeah, maybe not, I
mean I think, yeah, Ido think he will be in the group
though. I think that he's goingto be like the new member of the
Omdby crew. You know, that'smy prediction, is it he'll get really
wrapped up in helping them solve themystery. It could be fun. Do
you guys think that Charles and Mabelare going to find out about Oliver's heart

(53:37):
thing? Because I don't think Oliver'sgoing to tell anybody, because I agree
doctor said, don't direct a Broadwayshow. Yeah, there's no way,
but you know he's gonna They willfind out eventually, I'm assuming, And
I don't know if he'll have anotherheart attack or an episode or what,
or they'll find the monitor or something. Yeah, because but I agree,

(53:58):
like, I don't think there's anywayhe is telling them. He hides things.
He hides things a lot, especiallybecause he's he wants his musical,
he wants the podcast, and ifhe tells them like yeah, they're sensible
enough, Like if Charles, forinstance, if Charles had had a heart

(54:19):
attack and was told not to doanything too exciting, I could see Charles
telling the group and all of werebeing like, oh, you'll be fine,
Yeah, yeah, writing it up. But so Charles and Mabel would
obviously, I think take it alot more seriously and realistically Oliver. Oliver
likes to kind of, you know, push things off, so he doesn't
really have to deal with them anddeal with the reality, and I would

(54:45):
if they're going to introduce some sortof conflict between the trio, I could
see that being Oh yeah, that'sa good point. Oh possibly. Yeah,
So that's the big question. Andalso the big question on table is
who the hell killed be Glenroy?So we know he's holding this handkerchief.
You know, that's the basically theonly clue that we have at this point.

(55:07):
I think, right there's no moremajor clue pretty much, there's like,
there's just question marks. So allright, shall we discuss who we
think the murderer is next? Doyou guys have anything else about the episode
before we get to our predict murdererpredictions? And the murderer is Kara?
You go first? Okay, SoI'm ripping open, ripped that envelope open

(55:30):
below. Oh lord, I maybeoverthought things I wrote now a lot,
geez, I wrote a name.I'm sorry. So for number one I
put Dickie and then Howard as kindof this tandem. Oh yeah, so

(55:54):
I said Dicky because he's the fedup, jealous brother who has always been
in his brother's shadow. His brothertreats him like shit, blames him for
everything, blah blah blah. Thecookies and Dickie telling everyone that you know,
Ben will inhale cookies. Essentially,I was like, okay, so
maybe the cookies will come back,and that's how he was poisoned before the

(56:14):
show, and being like poisoning whenyou look at like, forensically speaking and
statistically, poison is how women typicallykill women, or it's a very passive
way to kill someone. So perhapsa week and a woman's weapon. Yeah,

(56:35):
And so I was like, well, they're setting up Ben to be
kind of not been Dickie to bekind of meek and in the shadow,
so I could see him, youknow, poisoning his brother. He obviously
wouldn't be able to do it upclose and personal. So I thought,
okay, so maybe Dickie somehow getsthese poison cookies together and then he is,

(57:00):
you know, miraculously alive, andDicky clearly seemed so thrilled at the
after party that his brother was stillaround. And then I was like,
so maybe they want us to thinkthat it's Dicky all the way through.
And Dicky you know, follows himup to his apartment, they get an
argument, shoves him. But Ithought it'd be more fun if Howard was

(57:22):
basically standing up for his understudy boyfriendand pursues been upstairs and they have this
sort of argument and a moment whereHoward accidentally or gets angry and shoves him
as he's standing up for Jonathan.So that's why I wrote two of them
down that I could see it beingDicky as the initial you know, attempt

(57:45):
to collect and he fails. Andthen Howard would also not be one of
the obvious ones that they pointed outto have motives. But Howard sneaky,
like we know, he's kind ofmischievous, and he loves Jonathan. So
that was that is where I'm atright now, And I think I still

(58:07):
feel after we've discussed everything, Ithink I still feel okay with that.
Yeah, I don't know, We'llsee if that changes drastically after episode three,
but I could I could see sopanic the handkerchip in your mind came
from which person, because because basicallythe big question about this handkerchief is,

(58:30):
you know, Ben didn't have hishandkerchief because Gregg's told us when he was
looking for collectibles, and everybody wasgiven us yea, even that, you
know, maybe Jonathan he doesn't seemlike a handkerchief guy or whatever. I
could see Howard having it as likea token from Jonathan or hanging on too,
and from I think. Howard thenwent up to you know, up

(58:52):
to what's his face Ben's apartment,confronted him about Jonathan and that's how Yeah,
I like it that went down.That's where I'm at right now.
I also wrote down different names ofpoisons that can temporarily stop your heart just

(59:12):
dead for hour. And I wassitting there and there were some that I
will admit I know off the topof my head because of for people that
didn't listen to us on perfectly marvelous, for marvelous missus Masel. I was
a prosecutor for ten years, sothere is at least a not like a
weird start career based reason as towhy I know some of these things.

(59:37):
But I also do enjoy murder mysteriesand true crime. So there were some
Agatha Christie, I thought of you, Jade, like some poisons that have
popped up in those murder mysteries,and just in general that I wrote down
as to what could possibly be inthose cookies? What are they tell?
Are you going to tell us.So there's uh, I can't remember how

(59:59):
you pronounce it. I'm going tokick myself later. Dike oxin or dieke
joxin known like the more common waypeople find it, particularly in North america's
foxglove, and that is something thatessentially, you know, it starts to
quagulate your blood and stopped your heart. So that would explain him not having

(01:00:24):
a heartbeat and being declared dead.And it's it's kind of a tricky poison
and different levels of it and differentdoses of it, and if it's in
cookies as opposed to water, couldaffect how the poison plays out. And
then potassium chloride is kind of aclassic, right, so that will stop

(01:00:45):
your heart. And he was foaming, not foaming, he did have blood
coming out of his mouth, andso that seems more in line with potect
he said. He said that wasbecause he bit his tongue. Yes,
But I was like, well,if that's also a lot of blood,
Like I was like, what ifthat's also another way to like yeah,

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because he was still you know,coughing and all that stuff. And then
I figured cyanide and arsenic are probablytoo fast acting, although cyanide is pretty
frequently used to poison people and arsenicover time in bits of food. So
I was like, that works andour second all lace is so hilarious classic,

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So it is a so I justsemed, also very classic murder mystery
to me. So okay, Erica, what's your pick? All right?
So I like Carra's take on it, and I put down Tobert. I
almost wore the one who pushes himoff the elevator, not the one who

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points him with the cookie, becauseI think I was probably thinking the same
way as Kara, because it's theglaring thing that he was not at the
party. The way he came in. He did not seem very thrilled with
what he was doing, So theremight be some motive about their interactions or
their past, just like how Benhates like you think about how big of

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a bag Ben has probably been toTobert over these you know what, four
months of him filming, And Ican imagine that's somebody who's being a documentarian.
He probably really hates him and can'tdo it. And it could be
it could have been an accident similarto your theory, but that's who I
was thinking. Just but again,it could be a red hair like it,

(01:02:34):
I crossed out I wrote topped arower with the tea and then put
in Howard, I love that though. I think that would make sense or
even like, you know, it'sfunny when we were doing our recap for
season two for some weird reason,I don't know if this was just something
I made up in my brain thatJonathan did something weird. Yeah, it

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could be Jonathan too, because heis he understood. He said he was
never going to be on stage,but now he's thinking maybe a Wednesday matinee.
So it could also Beach. Thatwas such a nice like theater dig
like Wednesday matinee. You know,Jonathan might not do a know me malone,
Yes, you know it was avery moment like Jonathan did not seem

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thrilled. Oh no, so,Erica, do you think that you're going
with Jonathan now more that we've podcastedon it and you've thought about I'm I'm
gonna stay with I'm gonna stay withToburt for now? And you say said
Tobert was the person who both pushedhim and also gave him the poison or
whatever. No, no, no, no, no, I don't think

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Tobur poisoned him. I think I'mmore along the line of the being two
killers, where I think it wouldbe Dickie who probably poisoned him. I
think if we're we're looking at actuallywho really killed him, I'm thinking it
was Tobur. But I changed mymind throughout. Yeah, yeah, because
that's how I am. I'm I'mwith that with everything so well and I

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but I think right now that's howI feel. I don't have enough information.
Didn't meet what Amy Ryan. It'sinteresting though, character into like the
third episode or the second. Soit's interesting though, Erica, that you
picked that, that you picked Oburtto be because we had we know nothing
about him, so so you're that'sa gut pick because you're thinking that's the

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way the show is going to wantto go make. They glanced, O,
yeah, it's over. He's oneof the few, and he's not.
He's the one who is not thereat the part. And I wondered
too, like I had that thoughtgoing back looking at the party. I
rewound it and I was like,Okay, where is is he standing in
the back with a camera somewhere,like do we not see him? And
then did you see? Okay,Erica, did you see how we got

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a handkerchief. How did did yousay? How how he got the handkerchief?
If it was Tobert? No,I did the handkerchief is a clue.
It is a clue. I don'tknow. But he would have got
and one because everybody got one.I don't know. I'm gonna stick with
my gut thought just because I wroteit, Dan, I'm gonna go stand

(01:05:09):
by yo choice. I had noteven I was just thinking about who pushed
him. I had not even factoredthis person my guests into thinking is it
the same person that also did itto him the first time? And now
that we're really really talking about whopoisoned him or if it was poisoned the
first time. Yeah, I feellike I'm gonna because my second choice would

(01:05:30):
have been Dicky. I'm pretty surethat that was Dicky too, But I
don't know. I don't know thatI can make the call on who who
maybe poisoned him. I don't know. Okay, so who do you even
question him? Let me open myenvelope. I give it a Retta with
a heart. Oh. When shewas talking about so we didn't even talk

(01:05:55):
about like with her tone and sheand Oliver, she totally wanted to be
with Oliver and with the play overright. So okay, so I know
what you're thinking, Jade, obvious. Pick what they just are pointing us
in the direction of pick. It'sit's Loretta. Look at her. She's
the killer. The fact that theone of the first things we get of

(01:06:16):
Loretta actually the first thing that shesays, is without so much as blinking,
I would kill without compunction. Yes, So it's they wanted to seem
too obvious. They are trying.In my opinion, I think this show
is going to go the red Herringis the killer route. They're trying to
put her in our in the frontof our minds first and be like first
suspect. She's going to be thefirst to be eliminated. Her and Oliver

(01:06:36):
are going to have a love thing. And we already did that whole you
know, it's it's the lover ofone of our trio. You know we're
not gonna do it again. UhNo, you get Meryl Streep, Yeah,
maker the murderer. And I canjust hear people saying it in my
mind. I'm like, that's whatyou get, Meryl Streep for them.
You might be right, but youknow, I think would be the third

(01:06:57):
This would be the third woman killthough, Yeah, but what are they
gonna do? Like, so,so what automatically we can't suspect women now,
I mean, that's lame, true. I get the Christie wrote a
lot of female killers, probably morefemale killers male and it's just and with
the looks on her face when hecame back in alive, maybe she put

(01:07:21):
in Mabel the first killer. Yes, I could see that, and Mabel
going up to her and being like, aren't you excited or what? And
she was not. She was nothappy, and obviously like she and Oliver.
Oliver clearly had this established rule thathe would not date someone in his
production, like an actor, andshe seemed very happy that with Ben out

(01:07:46):
of the way, they could thenpursue this relationship. So I could see
it. I could see it beingwe think it's a red herring because it'd
be too obvious. And then theyturned back around and it's actually some her
right because the argument against it is, look at what they showed us of
her in the beginning that opening montage. She needs a job, she wants

(01:08:08):
a job bad. Why would shesay something that would sabotage her opportunity to
be on Broadway, but then wesee her with all of her and it's
like maybe he saw was worth it. He was the first person to see
her and see, you know,say where have you been? So I
could see her, you know,falling for him, attachment to him and

(01:08:30):
him giving her this worth and feelingof value that she's been seeking over and
over and over again, and herpriorities prioritizing that over this you know,
Broadway debut where she's clearly not gettingalong with her I really, yeah,
I really do think that we needto keep an eye on Loretta and we

(01:08:51):
need to remember that if they're they'rewanting us to discount her really early on.
There's just there's a real they wantto put her so far out of
the realm of suspicion. But there'ssomething to be said about that. And
I think that because they haven't donethe because Agatha Christie is famous for doing
that as well, and it's someof her best work is when she goes
it's definitely not this person. Theseare all the reasons it could never be

(01:09:13):
this person. It is not thisperson, guys. And then in the
end twist, it's exactly the personthat you were given a million reasons why
it could never be this person.So I think that because this show needs
to do something different for season three, I think they're going to go that
route. However, we could considerthe Cliff Donna of it all, and
I have a theory on that onetoo. If it would be them,

(01:09:34):
I don't think it's going to be, but it could be like a producer's
moment where they want to sabotage theirown play for financial reasons. Yeah,
I hope not. I hope not. I like Crimes Passion more they overestimated
or something, especially if they werethe ones to like poison, they just
wanted some like big mystery to drawpeople in and get pumplicity. Yeah that's

(01:09:57):
true, and then it's like Surprisedgoing to make her own martyr board and
put reasons Yeah right, yeah likethat. Dickie would be a dark horse
choice for me, Like I thinkthat he might have had something to do
with the first time Ben got sick, but I don't know if he is
the one to actually push him tohis death. I don't think. Do
you want to hear my super crazyyeah out there lovely totally bring it on,

(01:10:23):
So mangoes, he specifically mentions toKatie that you know, he's sorry
for accusing her of stealing his mangoesand that it's basically the only thing or
one of the only things he caneat for his super strict cobro diet and

(01:10:43):
regimen. And this is a leap, this was just for fun. But
mangoes are very high in magnesium andpotassium, and if you are consuming too
many mangoes, it can one giveyou ulcers ultimately, which would explain blood

(01:11:04):
coming from his mouth in addition toyou know, him falling and biting his
tongue, So that's one. Italso can cause severe like gastro intestinal distress,
and too much both too much magnesiumand too much potassium can put you
into respiratory and cardiac arrest. SoI was sitting there, I was like,

(01:11:27):
I would love it if he hadlike mango poisoning. Yeah, Like
he so like amped about getting this, like the cookies are a red herring
because I was like, what ifthe cookies are too obvious? And that's
how And it was really the mangoeskids, that's all. Yeah, and
eating aggressively, yeah, yeah,Like nobody was trying to kill him after
all, Like there was just somesort of reaction he had, and then

(01:11:53):
it was somebody kills him in theelevator. And yeah, Kara, the
more you're talking, the more Iwas just about to say, I don't
think that anyone killed him that firsttime. Yeah, it's got to be
any because he's got all these weirdgood things. Yes, they bring it
up over and over again and likethat's fun though, and this show was
so silly that absolutely could be plausible, and they will do that. Well,

(01:12:15):
they keep Oh sorry, I wasjust going to say, because I
mean, I know recently somebody diedfrom eating too much licorice it yeah,
yeah, you're drinking it too muchwater? Yea, some woman just died
from drinking what was it, twogollons of water. She died. Yeah,
horrible, but yeah, but it'sit can happen if you consume too

(01:12:38):
much of something. Stranger things,yeah have happened. So and I could
see them setting us up because theyknow that fans of the show are just
like fans of the Only Murders inthe Building podcast or super into the murder
mystery aspect and figuring out who thekiller is, and the cookies were something
they absolutely wanted us to notice,you said, Jade, So did they

(01:13:00):
want us to notice because they're actuallyyou know, a real murder relevant or
somebody actually try to poison him viathe cookies, which is a logical thing
to think, or is it anotherred herring? They have just made my
tendencies go into overdrive. So oh, I love it. That's why I

(01:13:21):
love murder mysteries because it's just sofun to do this. So we already
talked a little bit about Kimber justmaybe she did it because scorned lover boring.
In my opinion, this is gonnabe weird. I can I'm a
little afraid of you how some ofthis stuff is about to flay out in
front of me. I don't evenknow what's about to happen with with Ashley
Parkin and Paul Red. Also,Joy was at the party. I don't

(01:13:45):
know how she would have gotten thehandkerchief, but she could have possibly have
killed Ben in order to be withCharles because she's about it. I just
don't want another Charles's girlfriend to becrazy and a killer. Yeah, I
don't think they would get It's notJoy, it guys, it's not Joy.
I'm just I'm telling you it ain'tbut there are lots of Like that's

(01:14:06):
why that after party scene and thetable read were so brilliant because it's set
up so many entire different motives likeoh yeah, but also we don't motive.
We also don't know who her is. When Charles threatened right then,

(01:14:26):
yep, I was wondering about thatif Ben, like, I don't know,
could be Lucy, because Lucy wasn'tthere either, although Lucy could just
be all you think. The waythat we're going with this is he's talking
about Kimber, I think, Ithink, but why would he said leave
her alone? What does he saystay away from he said stay away away
from her? I think I thinkit's I just don't see him being that

(01:14:50):
passionate in his defense of Kimber.Like Charles is a nice guy, but
he's also kind of Yeah, Iknow, that's what I thought it was
about Lucy one of me for juston in the trailer or like that.
I would buy him being protective orJoy he's or Mabel or Joy. Yeah,
would all make sense, but Idon't. I don't know if he

(01:15:13):
like he doesn't seem to have muchof a connection with Loretta, so I
don't see him you know, makingthat point with Yeah, Loretta, I
kind of want to watch it again. I'm sure you'll pick up more Yeah,
and see what exactly he says,stay away, stay away from her.
I know what you did when ifhe's talking about Winnie or like yeah

(01:15:42):
sevening, you know, you know, we we still don't know who did
they we ever figure out who poisonedwhen it was a jam No, no,
there was an article with I can'tremember he was a showrunner or one
of the writers. They said theyattention intentionally left that as a loose end,
so we do not know. Idon't justice for Winnie. I don't

(01:16:04):
like that as a maybe maybe itwas Howard and I was so I'm so
bummed that I was just stepped awayfor a second because I was going to
say, this is my only lastquestion, where the fuck is Mama ge
and Winnie in this show? Hewas very concerned about this. I was
wondering to myself, what is goingon here, Oliver? They made Witty

(01:16:28):
such a huge deal and Mama Oliverand Mama g Yeah, it's like big
huge what Yeah, I guess,I guess we're just going to pretend like
they didn't exist. I don't know. The writing this season is making me
Wanda. I well, well maybemaybe because maybe they're at Will's house because
because Oliver is very busy because he'sworking and he can't give them the attention

(01:16:51):
they deserve. Yeah, I get. I mean, I guess I just
want a word. Can you giveme a sentence? Give me an explanation
of exactly. I was just veryconcerned for this, But I don't have
anything more for this episode. Doyou guys have anything else? No?
No, I think that's already.I want to go watch the next one.
Yeah, we're gonna go watch thenext one right now because we can

(01:17:14):
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