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Oh yeah, just on the floorcovering the floor of my apartment. My
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I watched this episode because I'm justa vain actor like that, and

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I just needed to happen. Jasonand I did that after we watched the
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Yeah, very well earned ugly crythat that finale was. You know,
I'm gonna start crying now, Iknow, right, god um,

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bitches, tits up, it's upin my podcat and when living together and

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having a mom. All right,So, as always, we are going
to start off the discussion today withour most marvelous moment of the episode.
Do yes, isn't that moss Ericatake it away? Oh man? There

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were so many marvelous moments and somany like sad and poignant moments, but
I had to pick. My favoritewas Susie just smiling as she was leaving
the Friars Club and Elton John's Lovesong starts playing and we just faded to
the credits. I was tears.I was like, oh my god,
it just you know, it leftme wanting more, but it was just

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it was beautiful, betiful. Itreally was perfect song, perfect song,
so perfect ending and with her creampuffs of course, free puffs. Yes,
we learned a lot about Susie thatepisode, but we alwa learned a
lot about Susie this season. Thisis a very Susie centric season and I

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am here for it for sure,okay, Kara, oh gosh. So
I didn't have a final decision onwhat my most marvelous moment was until like
cheater, yeah, twenty minutes ago. I thought you were going to say,
so you have more than one ofwell, no, you have to
pick one. No. I ultimatelyended up picking one, and I think,

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you know, obviously, the endwas great seeing Midge, but one
of the things that brought me justlike so much joy and a huge smile
to my face is when we seethat she and Mike become like good friends
and they're talking about needing to goto lunch and you know, flipping each
other off, and it's like theirlittle secret handshake almost now, Like I

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was giddy seeing them interact, andall of the scenes you know, were
in the flashbacks in the sixties kindof investigating George was great too, but
that whole reveal in their connection mademe really happy. I know, I
love seeing more more Mike and hisrelationships to Susie. When they did like

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the middle finger fist bump really reallycute. It was precious. Okay,
my most marvelous moment Emily Burgel astests you, guys, I just I
thought you might pick that one becausebecause it was the moment that I audibly
it's always the moment that I audiblysay to myself, like yes, yeah,

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and it's always Tess. When shecame out in that like gold literally
yeah, and that that wig.Man, that wig you could totally see
like her brown hair like at thetemples. You know, it was so
bad but so good. Oh mygod. So I can't pick the whole

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section. We're gonna go into thatpart where Test comes out and we're going
to talk about it. But there'sa moment, Okay, the moment that
I just my heart just dropped waswhen she was when she turns her head
away and then goes hit it andlike stopped her head back really quickly,
and like before she starts to sing, she like does this Vogue thing where
she like starts framing her face alllike Madonna, like very eighties, and

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oh my god, it was.It was so good. No, I'm
nevera Neva ever got stop Oh theystopped it. Oh yeah, right before
like the sex moaning come on before, I know you cut it before the
best part the sex moaning, whenshe like leaned into those guys and she's

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like loving you, kissing you,watching you. It's like a stalker song.
Oh my god, it was sogood, so good. Oh yeah,
it was great. I adore tests. I love Emily Burgle, and
I'm so happy that they're just givingus more tests. Like they heard me,
they heard my listening obvious, Yeah, they're listeners. Yep. It

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just because this show. The showgets me, you know, you guys
get me, listeners, you getme. I'm loving this. Let's keep
it going. Okay, we havethis flash forward of Midge. She's on
stage, she's doing her stand up. It's nineteen eighty five. Apparently she
was dating Paul Simon. It's like, I catch so many different things on

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my rewatches. I just at thispoint have come to as soon as it's
over, I just drag that littlebar right back to the beginning and just
like let it play again as I'mlike doing other things around my apartment because
I'm just trying to let these wordslike wash over me and pick up any
little bits. And apparently one ofthe audience members is like Paul. They
yelled like she says, I brokeup with somebody and someone goes Paul Siban

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and she's like, no, thatwas That was two tiny singer songwriters ago.
So many little bits, but um, yeah, I also got to
say Rachel Brosenhan is doing such incrediblework, just seamlessly transitioning into her older
self, absolutely older version of Midge. She's not overdoing it, but the

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way something about her stance or hergestures somehow suggests age. And don't ask
me how to explain this, Idon't know. The way she holds herself
on stage, there's like more weightto her hand gestures and the gravity there's
something very just it's like deliberate.Yes, yeah, the way that she
just has this ease on stage.And it's not like she's not easy on

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stage when she's younger, but herenergy is maybe a little more like frenetic
and less frantic. Yeah, yeah, she is very frantic, I think
as a young you know, performer. And I think she also like,
yeah, she still talks fast,but she has slowed down her delivery just
enough to where it's a subtle difference, but it's not glaring. And this

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and this should be their emmy episode. I'm just going to say right now,
like I will second that, Yeah, I didn't. I honestly didn't
affect it to be this good,which is crazy because it's so good.
I know it's going to be good, but this was like it surpassed all
of my I think. Yeah,that's the general consensus. People are like,
wow, wow, wow, Yeah, this was a wow moment.

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But yeah, I hate to keepcomparing Midge to Joan Rivers because it's not
a direct She's not trying to mimicJoan Rivers or anything, and the writers
weren't trying to write Joan Rivers.But when you watch Joan Rivers as a
very young woman, there's something abouther energy that's, yeah, like a
little more like frantic and hyper andthen older, she's just giving me.

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I don't know how Rachel Brozahand isdoing this, but she's incredible. Her
work is very appreciated. That's wonderful. So yeah, so then she starts
talking. She's joking about breaking upwith Susie, and it's kind of mean
and I'm not really sure what message. Yeah, she wants to send to
the audience. She works out herproblems on stage. We know this,

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but clearly she's pissed. This isyou know, this is eighty five if
it has just happened. She says, I just broke up with someone,
and yeah. Then we get tomodern day and we get this missus Mazel
like seal all of a sudden,you know, and I signifies her brand

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perhaps like maybe this is what thestamp that goes on her wigs and whatever
other beauty products that Midge Mazel youknow, sells. And I thought that
was really cool. I thought itwas a really nice like touch there.
And as soon as we get intothe next scene in nineteen ninety, the
Elton John's song Susie Drama starts playingand I was like, it's a rose

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for Susie. I got so excited. I was like, of course,
I thought it was going to bea rose for Gordon Ford. That was
my prediction. But I really lovethis choice this song. I never really
like thought of it and how itkind of pertains to Susie. But the
lyrics, well, she sure knowshow to use me, pretty little black
eyed Susie playing hookie with my heartall the time, living with her funky

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family and a dare like old alleydown by the river where we share a
little loving in the moonshine, andI'm like, damn, this is such
a good song for Susie pretty LittleBlack at SUSA. Yeah, I love
that song. So we get thischick Heather played by a lot of Fox,
and she's like Susie's girl Friday,you know, her little gopher girl,

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and she's like meticulously looking at thedust and like specks on the floor,
and she's like she won't be happyabout this. And I just didn't
understand this bit. I think thatit's um. I thought it was gonna
be Midge or something. To me, I was just wondering where this was
gonna go, and then it justdidn't go anywhere. And I've heard some
people comment on that moment where everyonefell asleep because of the rum cake and

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I was like, oh, thismeans that Janu is gonna be thief and
he's gonna rug them all, andlike, no, I think this is
just a bit that like does thishappened sometimes with the Palladino writing, It
just a bit that doesn't play forme, Like it just doesn't it doesn't
hit as funny. I think maybesome people would have found it funny,

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but I view these little bits morelike like they're giving us, They're making
something a thing, and then itleads me as a as a really active
viewer, to think, where's thisgoing. This is going to pay off,
and then it never pays off.So just something to comment on.
Not a big deal, but justsaying it kind of didn't go anywhere.

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It threw me off too a littlebit. Yeah, and it just doesn't
make much sense because it's like settingus up to think that Susie's going to
be super meticulous she's gotten super meticulousat her older age, and she hasn't.
She's a stoner who doesn't give ashit about anything, So why would
this woman be so concerned? Idon't know. It just didn't really make

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sense. So then okay, sothe roast is at the Friars Club,
and if y'all remember this is whereSusie like stalked Harry Drake in season one,
I think, and they wanted tolike kick her out way back in
the day and she couldn't get atable and they like reluctantly let her in,
and now they're like hosting a roastin her honor, and I just
love them. I'm fantastic and wesee like the Yeah. I used to

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say, you know, it's funnybecause I think any other actor almost playing
this character, or any other characterdoing the things that Susie did, I
would hate them, but I amstill wholeheartedly like cheering her on and happy
for her success. So dude,you could say that about Midge, you
could say that about Abe and Rose, Like how do I love these characters

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so much? And they're all piecesof shit? Like on the Raadino.
Those are really good at creating lovableassholes like or you know, selfish,
near sided characters that are just sodamn charming you can't help the root for
them. They just weasel their wayinto your heart and they burrow in there

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and they won't leave. Oh yeah, yeah, we've all seen the Gilmore
Girls, and listeners, yes,get used to it. We're going to
be saying Gilmore Girls a lot thisepisode, because how can you not.
This is pretty much a Gilmore Girlsparade of actors, and I'm not mad
at it. I was wondering whenwe were going to see Sean Gunn since

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season one of this show. Sinceseason one, I've been thinking, Man,
Sean Gunn would be perfect on thisshow. Why isn't he making an
appearance? And then finally we gethim and I'm so happy. Okay,
anyway before we get there. Soyeah, so that we introduce a lot
of like new characters. And I'veheard a lot of criticism about this final
season for introducing so many new characterslast minute. I don't have problems with

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it. I'm like, I thinka lot of viewers need to just you
know, get their panties out oftheir butt crack and just put the fuck
down because people are like, whyso many new characters? I can't handle
this? Who are this? People? It's like, just accept it.
It's a new person you're not supposedto. It's not a big deal,
you know's there's gonna be new people. I will say though, when I

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saw all of these new people,I was just like, oh no,
are we not gonna get like muchof our main characters, Like what are
they doing with this? Like Ihad a moment where I was like,
oh, shoot, luckily it wasfine. So yeah, it was totally
fine. I liked this as aframing device too. I thought that introducing
all these the key players, likeMafia style, there's a big mafia vibe

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about this whole season, and itkind of felt like Ocean's eleven like introductions.
So we got like Stuart Jones,the Roastmaster, Aaron Leebowitz, the
hostile witness, Benny. Benny wasn'tinvited. And this was another bit that
like didn't really go anywhere because Iwas expecting to get a little something about
Benny. Who is Benny? Itwould have been funnier if it did,

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if we figured out, like,who this awful guy is. I think
the funny funniness is just supposed tobe his face and how like, oh,
what's his name? I forget hisname, Vainer. His last name
is Vyner. One second thought,I had it written down. John Vayner
played Benny, and something about JohnVayner's face is just like he has this

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douche baggy grin. I don't know, I feel terrible right now saying this,
but like in the best way,you know, not that he's a
douche bag. I'm sure he's alovely person. Shaggy grin is an asset
as an actor, so I feellike that's a compliment. He was able
to convey so much with just hisbig toothy smile, you know, like
his obnoxiousness. But anyway, uhoh, I just lost my place in

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my notes. Sorry guys. Okay, Yeah, So then Mike Carr is
the Dean and Ray Ortiz the Hammer, so it's like, you know,
all these guys who are there tokind of prop up Susie, which I
really did love. And then Susiegets out of the limo in a cloud
of smoke because she's now a potheadand she's like the head of the families.

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You know. It's it was.It was cool. She was giving
rock star Pattie Smith vibes with herlook, her long jacket, her long
black death and her crazy hair whichI really like to think will be my
hair when I go gray. I'mjust gonna let that happen. It was
fabulous. I loved it. Solet me get into Yeah, the top
of the of the Roast, StuartJones starts it off talking about this golf

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course moment and taken us back tonineteen seventy one. Oh yeah, I
loved I just loved everything about it. As soon as I saw Sean Gunn
pop up on the screen, Iwas so happy. And obviously the fact
that it's kind of full circle circlefor Susie back in the Friars Club.
It just kind of blows perfectly afterwhat we saw set up for us in

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you know, the end of thelast episode with all the voiceovers essentially foreshadowing
how she's becoming this you know,legendary, enigmatic, almost mythical figure in
the entertainment entertainment industry. And itwas just so satisfying that she gets to
experience a roast at the infamous FriarsClub. And for those who are maybe

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our younger listeners or people who aren'tas familiar with the Friars Club, it's
a huge deal. Like that isabsolutely a huge deal. Other infamous roast
that I thought of that were kindof you know, appropriate for this time
period and back in the sixties,like Chevy Chase popped into my head Johnny

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Carson Lucile Ball Like, oh wait, guys, guys, guys, oh
god, straight, okay, sorry, I got so scared just now I
thought that my audio had stopped.Never mind you continue, that's scary.
I was like, what happened?I just checked mynd just make sure mine
was okay too. My heart justdropped. Sorry, sorry, it's good
guys, go ahead, I'll startover. Other you know, really prominent

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figures who had roast that popped intomy head that I thought was relevant for
the time period were, you know, people like Chevy Chase and Johnny Carson
and Lucille Ball and Bob Newhart andBetty White was one of the more recent
ones. So the fact that thisis happening for Susie is such a big
deal and I couldn't stop grinning likean idiot once I realized what was happening.

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And having Sean Guns stand up asthe rosmaster Stuart Jones also made me
grin like an idiot because he's sotalented and look, my Kirk Kirk was.
Kirk was brilliantly quirky and just likesuch an enjoyable annoyance in Gilmore.

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What an invention. Truly, onlySean Gun, in my mind, has
has ever made a character that Iguess so much and who was just so
annoying, Like he made thing outof being adorably annoying. I loved him
so he was one of my favoriteparts of the gilmarket. He pulled it
off like I have a babette eightoatmeal bumper sticker on the back of my

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car. That is how much Ilove kirk Um. But I will say,
like, I know, Jade,you already talked about how you know,
sorry get used to the gilmart Girlsreferences, but it's impossible. Guys
like the Paladin on this episode,on this episode is going to be intense.
There's just so many and the Palladinouniverse, like they have very strong

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relationships with the actors and their projects, and they just pop up repeatedly in
these shows. And you know,I think it was just a joy to
see him on my screen again andhe did a great job. I was
ready to listen to what he hadto say about Susie and going into this

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legendary day on the on the golfcourse when she got a triple crown,
the ledge and dairy triple crown,I was just like, what the hell
did she do? And I willsay I love that we saw her playing
with Harry's clubs that he left toher. That got me a little emotional

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on my second watch once I realizedwhat was happening. And you know,
it's not bad advice to play golfas a young law student. Just briefly,
I'll say I heard that repeatedly fromolder women that were already attorneys or
like, learned to play golf,learned to love it, because that's where
things are going to happen. AndSusie absolutely made things happen on that golf

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course. She made three huge dealsthat day, and I was squealing at
within like in an hour, yeah, like she was on top of it.
The first one was huge with theFrench connection. We have no idea
how she did it, but thefact that she gets the French connection and

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then secures a sitcom that she makesup on the fly and refers to her
clients Andy Griffith and Liz Montgomery,who were not actually her clients, but
they were so impressed at this sitcomshe pitched them in this deal that they
immediately signed with her. And Iwas like, damn, Susie, like

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she's on fire. And then obviouslyI'm sure you both appreciated this one just
as much as I did. Herthird deal essentially launching the career of Andrew
Webber and Tim Rice by pitching JesusChrist Superstar. I was just like,
this is this is it? Like, yeah, she's done it. But

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the one thing I wanted to mentionthat was honestly almost My marvelous moment was
her going, you know and liketaking a break saying she had to go
to the bathroom basically and all thecaddies huddling around her, And how she
has every caddie at the club upon her payroll. That is absolutely brilliant.

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It reminded me of Lord Varris's LittleBirds. I was just like,
Susie's got this, but I thinkyou know one. It's incredibly amusing and
shows how you know. Her instinctsare basically top notch. She knows what
the hell she's doing. But wefinally see like her street smarts really paying
off like this comes from working herass off and working her way up in

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the industry and having experience in theservice industry. She knows who knows what
like see, this is not aNEPO baby don't know. This is what
makes a good manager. This iswhat makes a good person in the biz.
I have to tell you this industryis all about finding the backdoor.
It's very tightly closed for a reason. There is you can there's no rule

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book to play by. It's agame of learning how to break the rules.
You don't become famous or You don'tbecome a good of great manager by
just being good by just following rulesand being a good performer and being dilant.
No, Like, you get tobe good by working for other people,
getting to know other people, gettingto know the weaknesses and the strengths

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of other people. What you favors, you can do, favors you can
call in. You know connections,you beg Borrow and Steel, you know,
absolutely, Susie, this is her. You have to have that talent,
almost more than if you're a performerlike myself, than the actual performing.
You have to be talented at connectionmaking. You know, every every

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big you know job, everything thatlike pays really well that I've done has
been through not an audition, buta connection that makes sense because I,
well, I know someone. Sherefuses to take no for an answer,
but she does it artfully. Sheknows. It's like the precision. It's
almost like albowl like surgical precision.She got to operate. Yes, the

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gay bath House. What's his name? Yeah, right, it's how she
yeah, David West and there yeah, and it's how she got in with
m Harry Drake. She just wouldn'tstop bothering you. But she but she's
just she's just bothersome enough or thethe woman. Um god, all these
names are escaping me now. Butshe just kept, you know, being

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really obnoxious and calling her office everyfive seconds, and she's like, have
you made a decision? Have youmade a decision? Who else is he
running with? Is it him?Is it him? And then she's like,
well, it's not really up tome. It's not up to you,
then fuck you? Who who doI have to go to? Like
she's just like a like a Bline, you know, she persistent,
I on the prize yep, andit pays off. But I just uh

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that that second rewatch, realizing shehad Harry's clubs made the next part with
her and Harry Drake just so muchmore emotional for me. Yeah. I
also don't want to say the musicselection that they have in this in the
in this scene three Dog Night,yeah, Mom told me not to come

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was so good. And then Spiritin the Sky. I I really into
the seventies now, yeah, Iwas loving the music. I think the
seventies are like my golden era ofmusic, Like that's what I keep going
back too. So oh yeah,I hope they keep doing seventies flashbacks.
Yeah. Yeah. One of myfavorite lines from the scene was they were

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talking about how they didn't know howshe persuaded Saul, and they're like,
she could have had pictures of himrogering a donkey for all you know,
she had. She had eyes everywhere. That the way that he put it.
Also, I looked into this becauseI got really excited and like,
I wonder if Liz Montgomery and AndyGriffith ever like actually appeared in anything together,
and they there was no sitcom calledThat's Our Time, and Elizabeth Montgomery

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was never on the Indy Griffith Show. They did one TV movie together,
though, called A Killing Affair,which now I'm interested to see. Yeah,
it's fun. Well, I willsay I'm curious to what you guys
thought about how this scene was setup and how a lot of our flashback
slash kind of flash forwards were setup throughout the show, because it's all

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these roasters sitting around a table andtalking about it, like, did you
take them as unreliable narrators or reliablenarrators or you know, we're seeing it
for the most part as it is. There was one part and I don't
want to jump ahead too much wherethat was question where they actually said that,

(31:40):
you know, one was drunken onethe other one's drunk, but then
they put the two together, oreven when we go into this scene,
I really like how they're using thiskind of round table of all these male
comedians mail this representation of just likethese like men in Susie's life who have
either been barriers towards her success thatshe's had to kind of hurtle herself over,

(32:05):
had not knocked them down, andshe's become a legend in her own
right, where like they talk aboutit and everything about them is either a
rumor or partially true, and it'sjust really really fun how they're using that
to kind of tell the story anddeveloped this like caricature of Susie. We
know Susie although doing because she seemspretty horrible in some of the sections that

(32:28):
we went to. But I wasthinking back to when they started discussing the
whole breakup, and I think wasMike had mentioned that he spoke to both
Midge and to Susie. They're bothdrunk, and they questioned them like,
where were their stories the same,and he said, yes, some parts
were and some were not. Butit sounds like that that is going to
be a reliable narrator instead of theother guys that were like trying to bring

(32:51):
in all their other stories about that'strue, the magical method of Susie.
I thought they did a pretty goodjob too at saying this is how it
really happened, Like the triple crownmoment, I think was pretty accurate because
Susie, or at least it wasaccurate to how Susie would like it to
be remembered, because she didn't stopand say, hey, hey, that's
not true. But then they didwhen they were in the hospital with Harry,

(33:14):
they did like stop and say no, no, no, that's not
how it was, right, Andthey're like, well I heard it this
way, and they're like, no, no, no, that's not how
it was. And I'm pretty surethat the last the way that got us
all in the in the fields wasthe real one. Yeah, I think
that. Yeah, I thought aboutthat a couple of times. One other
thing I wanted to say, asfar as the men thing goes, there

(33:35):
was a lot of like showing maleuh, like I said, mafia style,
like all the what did they saythe brothers was that? Was that
the way that that they put itwhen he was referring to the mob,
the boys, boys and her boys, you know, yeah, and um
in the beginning, there was likeall the cooks in the kitchen and they
were talking about their favorite comedians andthey're like, I love Steve Martin,

(33:57):
I love George you know, Ilike Robin Williams Tasmanian Devil. And then
they're like, the who is Susie. She's probably like representing all of her,
right, there was just a lotof that male domination, but like,
yet Susie is like at the topof all of them. I really
that, and they clearly like respecther and revere her. Oh yeah,
And it's it's fun to see likeall of them sitting around and say I

(34:21):
heard it happen. Like this wassuch a good echo of that kind of
telephone voiceover scene from the last episode. And I just the Palladinos did an
excellent job with this whole nothing device. Nothing says motherfucking respect like a fucking
roast. Oh yeah, I hopeone day I get a roast that then

(34:45):
I'll know I've made when that's whenit's official. Yeah, oh yeah,
well listen, listen, you youalready have a drinking game, so you're
already there. Sorry, that's true. I'm gonna play that shrinking game night
as I this wine out of mytips up tit's up to say how much?

(35:05):
How much have you had there?Kara literally like five SIPs? I
promise lightweight. It's true. It'sI'm a cheap date. It's fine,
awesome. I love my favorite kind. So okay, so then let's get
into this. Um. Aaron Leibowitz, the who's another manager? He gets
up and he talks about Susie andHarry. Yeah. I know. Well,

(35:30):
so I've seen non Gilmore Girls watcherlisteners out there. There are some
of us up here who have neverwatched Gilmore Girls. But I appreciate all
the references, and I'm learning asI listened to these ladies talked. Is
that Aaron Lebowitz is played by DannyStrong, who was Doyle on The Gilmore
Girls. Do you guys can gushabout that because I don't know who that
was, but I loved him.I thought he was great and he also

(35:52):
played Yeah, he was also Jonathanon Buffy. Please please, So I
know there's a lot of people whoare going, oh my god, Danny
strongs he and I looked. He'salso an Emmy, a More winner,
a Golden Globe winner, He's nowa very talented screenwriter and director, so
he's got some jobs behind that.So he's up there. He is a

(36:14):
manager and a competitor of Susie's.And I love the line that he said,
you know, nobody in this businessis like Susie. But then of
course wouldn't do that. No,I mean, no one does business like
Susie, no legit. So we'rewe're seeing this kind of relationship of like
how she has made some friends,some fre enemies, and some enemies as

(36:37):
she's made her way up to thetop. And there is this one reference
to Pulpot. I had to lookit up. I don't like when they
said it, and even on myrewatch, I'm like, what is this
Pulpot? Apparently Paul Pot was aCambodian dictator in the seventies. And when
Tess makes that joke reference again that'show I heard it, I'm like,

(36:57):
oh, my pulp Pot, what'sthat? So good? It was really
really good. So we we learnedhow Aaron was um part of Harry Drake's
a business that he was one ofhis associates, and you know, and
then when he brings up Harry's name, the audience like just grumbles and and

(37:20):
really groans out there, so youcan see like what kind of legacy Harry
has left. And he said that, you know, Harry was born upside
down because he had all those knivesin his back, and it just it
made me pretty sad. But yeah, it's kind of like even though Harry,
you know, blacklisted Susie and Midgeback in the day, um,

(37:40):
I think we all learned to likeHarry that he was just loyal to his
client. They messed with Sophie sohe was like, nope, we're not
going to do that. And yeah, he was just being a good manager.
Susie would have done the same exactly, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then he becomes like I said, there's that there's that scene in

(38:00):
season four where they're sitting on thebench and in the park, you know,
and he's like, all of asudden, Susie's like fairy godmother.
And although it's you could say,at first I was thinking, like this
is quite a leap, like whydoes he care so much? There's something
that came full circle for me inthis episode where now I'm like that it

(38:21):
seems perfectly right, and that wasa really great setup to give us this
Palladinos really have the long vision gamereading going on. What is that called?
Don't make fun of me for this? But I just thought it was
like game recognize game, like,yeah, he would totally sees himself and
Susie like he respects her. Yeah. Yeah. And it was so sad

(38:44):
that it's so true though that inthis business you usually don't really make friends.
And they said the people that didstick around were basically stealing from Harry
toward the end, they were liketaking the paintings off the walls and awful.
And two of them only have eachother and they know it, you
know. And there he says,I can only trust you, but they
have is very rare, you know, and they charge each other. Yeah,

(39:07):
and I think that, you know, even when they brought up the
fact that, um, we werejust going back into this, they were
talking about how loyal she was toHarry, and then they brought up that
hole they brought in Darren Chris andI was watching yet See and I and
it came up with toot Shore andI'm like, is Darren Chris playing tooth
Shore. No, Darren, thetoot Shore is the actual restaurant. I

(39:29):
don't know if any of you guyslike looked into it. It's just a
famous restaurant in New York. Butthis guy is just a piece of shit.
He's talking about Harry and how hewants Susie to represent him, and
Susie lets him have it. Likeshe just says, like, fuck you,
you're you're this is great, LikeHarry doesn't deserve to give you anything.
She got you movies when you're youknow, this washed up, delisted

(39:52):
actor and you know, left himthere. It was it was great.
Um when she said, um,the only terrorist you're gonna know is the
one you jump off of asshole,I was like, oh damn. I
was intense. Damn Jesus. Andyou know, Darren Chris, like he
plays a really good asshole. Iloved him on Glee, I loved him
in UM. He does a lotof u. Um what is his name?

(40:15):
My goodness, my brain Ryan Murphyshows. So it was kind of
nice to see him in a differentuniverse. But yeah, he was a
little prick and she let him habitand she made the papers or drinks that
she she slammed the door in hisface. But you know, it gave
us a little bit of levity.But also it really showed how upset she

(40:36):
gets when people were talking about likelike what were people were doing to Harry
at that point when he was justlosing his clients and she wasn't going to
have it and wasn't going to bea part of it. And and then
the transition to him in the hospital, which was just so sad. That
was rough. It was it wasreally hard to hear. And I know
they went into just like the rumorsin the beginning, and I really it

(40:59):
was. It was was kind offunny, like in the beginning they're like,
you know, like how ruthless Susieis is that she like, you
know, he's on his deathbed andshe had these played your ice documents and
forcing him to sign. And thenthe next guy's like, no, no,
no, the daughter was in it. And then the realization of the
one guy whose sister was one ofthe nurses was able to know they validated
and said nope, this is whatreally happened. It showed like no,

(41:22):
Susie has a heart and Susie isloyal and cares about those that she loves.
And you know, the very endwhen um he was she was holding
his hand and you know when she'swhen she said Ruth and He's like,
I'm here, Dad, and Ithink lost. I was like, I

(41:42):
know, and I could, Icould hear like Susie even no, like
he was a father figure to herand you know that and even even if
not, even if that's just meprojecting to it, No, I think
you're on. She gave that lastmoment for him. She gave him that
comfort thinking that his daughter was thereone way or another, and even if
it was in you know, Susie'spresence, like it was just like the

(42:02):
best thing she could possibly do forhim. And their little banter back and
forth was so cute him, youknow, like you're you're saying you have
an erection down there or you're disgustingor whatever she said. Yeah, it
was so it was so cute,but it was just like a sad,
really depressing little moment. But itreally kind of showed, um, you
know that the heart that Susie hasand really how the relationship progressed, Yeah,

(42:28):
and how I did turn into likea father daughter kind of thing.
Like, I you're you're making methink, Yeah, Ruth wasn't there,
you know, he where's where's yourdaughter? Where's Ruth? And he's like,
she's She's not here, She's notgonna come. So Susie. Yeah,
it's kind of like his daughter thathe never had. Oh god.
Yeah. But but the clients thathe gave Susie, like he says,

(42:51):
Jerry, mel Peter, and Lucy, So I'm thinking us mel Brooks,
Peter, maybe probably Sellers and BallLike yeah, yeah, like I'm thinking
and these are the these are theclients that kicked Susie's career to the next
level, you know. Yeah.Well, and it's interesting that all of
these roasters, all of these menwere so quick to believe that it had

(43:13):
to be something either sinister or manipulative, which she's definitely capable of. But
I like that she's kind of beenable to, I don't know, like
protect her vulnerability in a certain way, Like she wants to be seen as
this kind of ruthless legendary agent andthat benefits her. But I don't know,

(43:37):
I love getting to see the kindof softer side of Susie and that
moment where she was holding him holdingHarry's hand as he passed. I was
just like, I gotta keep ittogether. Like yeah, I was like,
this is pretty early in the episode. I can't. Yeah, yeah,

(43:58):
but it was. It was definitelypoignant and moving. Yep, definitely.
So we go to ray Or Tisplayed by Denny Garcia, the Hamma
her comedian, and he starts talkingabout the whole Dinah thing. That was
a lot. Yeah, that wasthat was a lot. I wasn't expecting

(44:22):
that, but you know, itjust shows you again. It's just another
representation of how Susie loves and takescare of her own. She'll go to
any measure to take care and dowhat's right for that particular person. So
we find out that Um and Dinahis her number two. I think this
is this almost was my marvelous moment, not so much what happened to her

(44:44):
to become this, but the factthat she is. You know, she
is New York. She's in charge. She is not just Susie's you know,
administrative assistant. She is in charge. Now. She has projected this
um smart um, incredibly wonderful personof color back in the sixties and seventies

(45:04):
to become the successful woman just becauseof how talented she is. It.
It really made me happy to hearabout that. You know, again,
she took care of somebody who waswith her when she was in the beginning,
and I just love that. Andhow again she's also legendary like she
is New York, which made mehappy. But probably one of my favorite
little tidbits that we get is whenSusie says, you're going to become a
manager, aren't you? Like I'mgrooming you to make you, to build

(45:29):
you up. She doesn't just wanther to be her secretary forever. She's
she sees big things for Dinah.And then by nineteen ninety, you know,
Dinah is running the New York youknow, branch or whatever each and
it's also kind of running it soundedlike the New York Mob, like had
a good enough connection to the Mobin New York with Frank and Niki.

(45:52):
That's what I took from that too, Like mostly, yes, she's running
Susie's you know, Myerson Associates orwhatever in New York work, But obviously
I think there's a connection with Frankand Nikki and the Mob still And obviously
oh yeah, they mentioned it,yeah, but they did mention like everybody

(46:12):
was involved in the Mob, includingHarry Drake. I don't know if you
guys heard that. So the mobjust everybody is within it. So I
did. I did some research onthis because I'm like, this is clearly
the theme of this season. We'renot gonna, oh good, yeah,
going away from this at anytime soon. There's a lot. I mean we've
all seen The Godfather, Like,there is a lot. I have not
seen it. I haven't, neitherme the other out of here. No,

(46:37):
I haven't seen it in a longtime. Yeah, I totally know
all about it. I haven't seenit in a long time. And when
I did see it, I haveto say I was so young I did
not appreciate it. So I feellike I've kind of never seen it as
well, like because I barely rememberit. But I but yes, through
osmosis and through YouTube and through thecultural lexicon knowledge, right y'all, we

(47:00):
know what it is, like thehorse the horse head in the in the
bed moment, like were so um. But the Mafia was absolutely fundamental informing
Hollywood itself, the studio system,how they acquired actors, um, like
way back in the very beginning,you know, for example, like Gene
Harlowe is dating Um, this guyAbner's Willman, and May West was dating

(47:22):
this guy Owen or Ony Madden andhuge mob figures the Mafia gave birth to
like the Sunset Strip in La andBugsy Siegel was this guy who basically formed
like Las Vegas as we know ittoday and in the early Vegas days.
I mean, virtually every performer withthe residency in Vegas is linked to the

(47:43):
Mob in some way. I guessthat's how like Debbie Reynolds got her first
Vegas Big Show, Debbie Reynolds hada few Mob connections. That's a rabbit
hole. UM Olympia Studios was completelystarted by the Mob, funded by this
guy named Um Harry Cohne, whowas only successful because of his Mafia friendships
and because he had director Frank Capra. Of course, Marilyn Monroe famous.

(48:07):
You know everyone. There's a tonof stuff out there about this her connection
to Johnny ROSSELLI supposedly maybe they werelovers, and maybe that he killed JFK.
There's a conspiracy surrounding JFK's death havingto do with the Mafia and Joe
DiMaggio. People have said maybe hewas part of it. He was actually
like in the Gambino family. Idid not know this he had he was

(48:30):
connected to the mafia. There wasa huge mafia family. The Copacabana in
New York was supposedly run by themafia. I read that back in the
day. A guy named George Raftwas he was an actor and he well,
he was the driver for a gangsterkingpin, Ony Madden, and Madden's
girlfriend at the time was May Westand she looked at this guy and said,

(48:52):
like, you ought to be inpictures. And then the he became
a movie star. So the mafiawas really big and crucial in getting stars
to get into the studio system.And they like, okay, there was
um Billy Wilkerson, this guy hestarted the Hollywood Reporter. It was like

(49:15):
the first news publication about Hollywood entertainment. And John John Roselli, the head
of the mafia, basically would getlike classified secret documents that like he like
helped reporters get information for the HollywoodReporter. All of these things are like
still going today. So I don'tknow how much of this is still run
by the mafia, and I don'tI'm I'm sure that it hasn't really changed.

(49:37):
I don't know speculation, but there'syeah, there's there's so much content.
I don't know. There are somestuff I want you guys, the
listeners you can check out. There'san amazing podcast called an Offer you Can't
Refuse. I didn't realize how fascinatedI was by mafia stuff, and this
is very fascinating. So there's anepisode called the Hollywood Mafia and the Rackets,

(50:00):
The Rackets and Los Angeles Gangsters,So I'll link that in the show
notes. And also, um there'sa YouTube video that's pretty brief, but
it just it does give you alot of information about like the Hollywood connection,
that your favorite celebrities might be tiedto the mafia. So we'll link
those things in the in the shownotes. But I just want to say
briefly, there's a lot of thisis a thing that is It's it's funny

(50:23):
that you mentioned that, Jade,because it's just kind of like light bulb
went off in my head. SoI have not seen The Godfather, which
horrifies a lot of people, butI have seen Goodfellas multiple times, and
there's a scene, you know,or one of ray Leota's character brings like
his girlfriend to the Copa and that'salways stuck out of my head. And

(50:47):
now I'm wondering, we know Midgehad like eighteen sold out shows back to
back at the COPA, and Iwonder if Frank and Niki oh yeah,
aren't yeah forgetting her those shows.I hope you hear know what? But
you know what, just to segueback into this scene when um, when
Susie's walking into her office, she'sasking Dinah to get her see at the

(51:10):
Copa. Like good's like saying, like, you know, she said,
like She's like, but make sureI'm in the back because she doesn't
want to be like noticed when shewalks down in the middle of some set
because she's probably like trying to scouttown or anything. But yeah, so
it's like again, so it's anice seguable. Yeah, So we're going

(51:30):
back into her office and that's whenwe discover that Dinah has been really been
beaten up by her piece of shitwent at the time, Ronald. And
you know, Susie is extremely protective. She's like, don't don't tell me
some bullshit that you ran into adoorknob, and you know the way she
treats Dinah and the respect and andthen goes into almost like kind of joking

(51:52):
just to make her feel better,like you know, like you know,
you go home, you know,um, and I'll send you bopkas and
all this different food and make surethat fruit and you know. And then
she's like, can you make sureI'm gonna I'm gonna give like what a
sixty page survey to the next guys, you data, I just like to
try to take care of us becauseme personally, I was scared for her

(52:12):
because her face was so beaten up, like this guy could come back after
her. Thank god it didn't gothat route, because then Susie asks a
favor from Frank and Nicki, soher ties are still there. She just
asked for another favor. We knowthat she's connected for them, and they
go and they beat the shit outof Ronald, who knows what ha happened
to him if he's still with us, and you know, they go into

(52:37):
how the fact that he that themob or at least Frank and Nicki the
boys own a piece of every oneof her clients and that includes except for
Midge. And that's when that's thekind of where and they're like, but
that's a story for another time.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know what I was just thinkingabout. There's like the whole Susie Dina

(52:58):
relationship is such an odd couple,unexpected, unconventional kind of you know,
they're just two totally different kind ofpersonalities. If they just get each other
and they're so good together. There'slike, and they said that in this
episode, they were talking about theMike Susie relationship being another odd couple kind
of like her and Susie and Harry, and it's all these actors together just
delight me. Like David Paymer,who plays Harry, seeing him and Susie,

(53:22):
they have this chemistry that is justdelightful because it's it's not what you
would expect, you know, justMidge and Susie right there, odd couple,
man, you would just that theirheight difference alone, like, they're
just so funny together and they're justunexpected unexpectedly delightful. And um, I
keep saying delightful. It's fucking delightful. And it's why, it's why I
just got so giddy when I seeRose and Susie in a scene or something.

(53:45):
The Palladinos know how to give uswhat we want. And I was
like, what's what's the weirdest pairing, Like, let's put Imogene and Abe
they're gonna be you know that wouldbe have her secretary. Delightful, but
it was good. This show shouldbe called The Odd Couples. The Palladinos
absolutely have an eye for chemistry,like yep and I don't know. I

(54:09):
think every show they do has acertain energy, but this one, in
Protiction in particular, the energy fromstart to finish was like electric and palpable
and electric. It was just itwas almost addictive. Like I was really
upset when this one ended. Iwas like, no, no, yeah,
I need more. Wait, let'sdo that again. I had like

(54:31):
hunger pains. I'm not done yet. Yeah. One more thing I gotta
call out about this scene is theDavid Mueller, the cinematographer. I love
it every time. This the waythat he uses like the depth of the
depth of field and the camera.There's always something going on across the other
window in Susie's office. It's likethe silent scene happening if you look in

(54:53):
the background between these two women.It's just cool. They didn't it's not
doesn't have to be there but oror in the way. In the last
episode, when Susie and um what'sher name, uh, Maggie, they
share a line, they say somethingin slightly different ways at the exact same
time. It's just it's just soit's feast for the eyes, you know.

(55:15):
Definitely love so interesting. So yeah, then we get Mike car I
love this so much, so much. I mean, I just one Jason
Ralph is just enjoyable on screen.There's something about him that's also so relatable,

(55:39):
like he just I don't know.And he's also really attractive, so
that helped. But ching him,you know, be introduced as an OSCAR
nominated producer three times over and anEmmy Award winning television genius, I was
like, oh, good for Mike, this is fantastic. And he also

(56:02):
may have uttered one of my favoritelines in the whole episode when he's describing
Susie as the only woman who evertold Tom Cruise. He was like,
unfuckably short, men master insult.What. I wonder what Nicole Kidman would

(56:23):
have to say to that. Ijust want to know. Ye yeah,
but what did you comment on this? Please? Katie? Oh yeah?
Yeah. Also just because she's sotall. I don't know, oh yeah,
but that I just I was like, that sounds like something that Susie
would say. I buy that.And immediately when he was like, I

(56:45):
just have to take a moment andacknowledge the passing of George, and I
was just like, what the fuckare you doing? Like I rolled my
eyes so hard. And I lovehow they immediately cut to you know,
Danny Strong, his character I can'tremember his name, immediately going bullshit like
Mike was not a fan of George, and it launches us into this wonderful,

(57:09):
like blooming relationship between Susie and Mikeback in the sixties. And you
know, Susie wasn't a fan ofGeorge either. Obviously we see that too
when he greets Midge and Susie anddoesn't realize that he and Susie have apparently
met half a dozen times at thispoint. And I thought back to my

(57:35):
recent rewatch, and one of thethings that Susie kind of lets all of
us know and lets Midge know wayback in season one is that her greatest
fear is being insignificant and you know, essentially not being seen. And I
thought that was definitely called back tohere with George, but also later for

(57:59):
sure in the synagogue scene when Midgesays, this is how I'm going to
remember you as small? Yeah,I was just like, right, like
that must tear her two shreds inside. And when doesn't she say, doesn't
she say sorry? Doesn't she say, um, I don't I don't mind
being alone? It's yes, yes. One thing I can't I can't handle

(58:22):
is being insignificant exactly like she isperfectly fine on her own, like she
is good being alone, she's goodbeing a loaner. But it's that insignificance
in the fact that you know shemight not be seen or remembered or recognized
at all, and it happens repeatedly, like obviously the mistake her for a
man. That's like a running bitfor the first four seasons for the most

(58:44):
part, especially the first couple.So when George said, you know,
oh, I don't believe we've met, I was just like, oh,
that cuts deep. And then obviouslyshe uses this to bond with Mike,
which one clearly established is their friendship. Like I think almost everyone has been
there where you've bonded over your dislikemaybe an annoying coworker with like another coworker,

(59:09):
like it just enemies. It happens, and Susie just happens to also
use it to her advantage to getGeorge fired and get Midge a step closer
to getting on Gordon Show, becausethen Mike is able to step into George's
position. And there is one thingI wanted to mention while I was looking

(59:32):
up news for this episode. There'san article on The Daily Beast titled read
Scott and Jason Ralph talk about fallingin love with Missus Maizel. And there's
one line that Jason Ralph says,and he's talking about Mike and Susie's dynamic,
and he said, I think they'reboth after the same thing. Mike

(59:54):
definitely recognizes in Susie a very genuineperson trying to get to the top.
I think he sees himself in her, and she sees a little bit of
herself in him. They see whateach other's doing, so they know to
push each other's buttons in all theright ways, especially her to him.
And I love that they're bonding over, you know, their ambition essentially and

(01:00:20):
using it to help each other out, like both of them getting George fired.
That was a mutually beneficial office snoopingventure. So I just I love
that that's how they ended up bondingis getting George fired and benefiting both of
their careers eventually. And obviously thecall back to them flipping each other off

(01:00:44):
and like bumping fists when they didit was fantastic. But the only thing
I thought of on my second rewatchwas okay, so obviously George is gone.
We saw them discussing how the rulethat nobody who works on the show
is able to be the show wasGeorge's rule. So are they setting us
up to see Midge being on theGordon Ford Show? And I just I

(01:01:08):
don't, I don't know what rightup? We better see it like actually
happened. That's always I don't wantto hear about it or have it mentioned.
Oh yeah, it needs to happen, so yeah, yeah, yeah,
I need this to be a centralpart of the of the next episode.
I really enjoyed the little tidbit ofGeorge discovering Gordon and like he was

(01:01:30):
doing traffic and weather at a localnew His sidekick was a chicken or something
and George plucked him from obscurity,so it was an animal like we got
another bird moment in this episode thatI thought of. Kara was like,
that's what you get. Maybe that'swhy he hates animals so much. That's

(01:01:52):
that's true. He hates what hehad to do at the beginning of his
career and has great shame in it. So now he's like, fuck them
animals. Yeah. I liked thepigeon moment when serious like it's white,
Nina. This pigeon just winked atme. Pigeons don't wink, they blink.
It fucking winked. I'm telling you, God, that amuses me.

(01:02:15):
Why does that amuse me so much? It's because you're easily amused. Now,
what are their names? Kara?I know what are the names of
the pigeons? For some reason,I would name them. If I were
Susie, I would totally name themjust well Susie, and Susie likes to
name things um. As we allremember, she named her plunger. And

(01:02:39):
I have a little, um littleimpromptu game for you guys. Can you
remember the name of Susie's plunger.I will give you four choices, and
it is one of these four.Okay, okay, it was Susie's plunger
named Joanna, Pamela, Gladys orTiffany. Oh, shoot, Pamela,

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that's gladdest. I thought it wasGladdest too. I was so sure it
was Gladdest. It was Pamela.I was like, something about that jumps
out. I could not get itoff my mind. I went back to
that episode. I watched it untilI found the scene, and it was
delightful just to rewatch all. That'samazing. Pamela. Oh I left,
Pamela and your dad's car. Younamed it. I've got a lot of

(01:03:27):
free time out here. Okay,Oh my god, that is good.
So yeah, I'm sure Susie hasnamed these pigeons. I'm sure she has.
She's clearly attached to them at thispoint, like they've they've got names.
I just wish we knew what theywere maybe eventually, Okay, yeah,
So anything more about the mic carmoment, Well, it was just

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a woful. I just think justum going, how like how George how
he was when he I just tookgo back to just watch his surmise.
Is that like how he would justcome in and schmooze everybody and kiss everybody's
ass, And it was just sogross. Yeah, you see him in
a totally different light. Now hejust comes into the office like mister cheery

(01:04:11):
Pitt cheery pants, fake, fakemotherfucker, you know. And what was
Mitch throwing the pencil up into theceiling so it sticks? Because did you
see all of the pencils up inthe ceiling, Like yeah, it's like
they were trying to hit a targetor something. And then when they all
cheered, I was just like,God, I love them. They do
that. They did that at myold school and you would go into the
classrooms and there was just you know, they would have like those those ceiling

(01:04:35):
tiles and there would just be pencilssticking up there. And if the ceilings
were really really high, like youknow, like seriously, how You're like,
how did they get them up there? Yeah? You Okay. So
before we move on anything more tosay, there was one more thing that
I think needs to be mentioned andrecognized with Alex Borstein in this episode and

(01:05:00):
every time we see her interact withthese men and these roasters, it just
really stood out to me that Ibelieved one hundred percent that she was older,
that this was Susie older, andI think totally our Susie than anyone
else. Yeah, like it wasso subtle, but you know, Kara,

(01:05:26):
you're so right, and it's it'scrazy right, It's like so there
that I didn't even think to makea note about it because exactly her old
So oh my god, it's actuallyscary how much I accepted it and the
fact that I didn't even see itas makeup, because this is why she
deserves another Emmy too, because hermovement, I like, I almost saw

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the growth in her character just inhow Alex Borstein carried herself alone. There
was something that just came across asshe's self assured, she's confident, like
she knows who she is, sheknows what she's good at. And I

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don't know if it was you know, her holding her head a little higher
and her movements being a bit slowerand more intentional. But it's been a
really good progression too because it startedthe last episode, remember when she had
that moment in her office where shewas walking around like you stay, you
go, you say, she's incharge, and I was I kept commenting
at it, and I'm like,I love the confidence. I love she's

(01:06:29):
just owning herself. You know,it's awesome to see. Yeah. Yeah,
like I on my second watch,I was just like, damn,
Like, I didn't even think twice, Like, I just accepted this as
Susie as an older person. Iwasn't like, oh, Alex Sporstein's doing
a great job, right, evenwith Rachel Brosenhand, I always see her

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and I'm like, and she's wearingmakeup right now. Yes, it's actually
scary to me how you're That commentyou just made made me realize I didn't
even think to make a note ofhow good she is in the old age
makeup because I forgot she was wearingwhich is what you want with old age
makeup, and like the skill thatthat takes is just kind of mind blowing

(01:07:13):
to me. Mind blowing yep,yep. But and you know, yeah,
go ahead, I'm just stumbling overmy own words now because yeah,
me too. I don't I wasgonna say. This is just further emphasized
in this part with Um when shegoes to like help Dinah because the guys
are revering her for you know,oh, everyone including Harry Drake had the

(01:07:35):
Maffia in their pocket and like orthey were working with the mafia in some
way like the Maffia had a pieceof every big manager in town, and
Susie was the one who, asthey said, like leaned into it the
most and it kind of became morepublic, not public, but like the
hot goss when she goes to Frankand Nikki and she goes, now,

(01:07:55):
I need a favor, and they'relike that tight that that they it's almost
like she's got a special relationship withFrank and Nicki and she does right,
And we'll get into it now withthe whole Joel mob connection. But I
also, did you guys clock theFrank and Nicki had like dolls heads that
nimble part to put like huge rollsof money inside the dolls. I've really

(01:08:16):
enjoyed that so casually is happening nowAnd they were like they were like,
sure, what do you need?Got you? And uh yeah? Then
when they what was it was aDean Martin song. Oh ain't that a
kick in the head that plays inthe background when when they show up to
beat up Dinah's boyfriend. That wasgreat, the great, great music.

(01:08:40):
That was a good song choice.So okay, y'all, let's hold on,
let me take a sip of myteam and prepare myself to talk about
Joe can I just because I fisceit with telling you how many times I
yelled I knew it at my TVscreen throughout this whole episode. I was
so happy. It was just like, this is excellent. Obviously it was

(01:09:01):
a popular theory, but still likewe can all pat ourselves on the back.
Wait, what are you saying youknew it as far as as far
as Joel going and like basically sacrificinghimself to protecting a bit fell from Beauty
and the Beast, take me instead. And it even tied in with May's
family connections, like his Chinatown clubconnections. Two. That's one of the

(01:09:28):
big reasons why Frank and Nikki seemedto take him seriously, it seemed,
and oh yeah, I hadn't evenI really wow, I'm a terry,
I'm a great and I'm a greatI'm very student viewer totally forgot all about
that part well, and just sendingmoney laundering also makes sense, like white
color crime, all of it,but that whole Yeah, I'm excited to

(01:09:49):
hear you talk about this part ofthe show because I was thrilled to see
it. Okay, so was Ifirst of all this was I went through.
Let me take you on the journeythat I went through with Joel,
because it was a like a threeact play of my emotions as they evolved

(01:10:10):
through this whole Joel experience. SoJoel goes to Frank and Nicky makes them
an offer they can't refuse, right, you know, he pulls a bell
from Beauty and the Beast take meinstead of Midge, and he ends up
getting busted and he takes the fullrap. He protects Arshi and he stashes
money I guess in the Bermuda orwhen he gets out of jail. This

(01:10:30):
whole thing happens with Joel, right, So at first I was fully prepared
to say hello, my name isJade Anderson, and I love Joel Mazel
all right, Penny Pan, whoI fucking love Joel. I was proud
to stand here, sit here whateverbefore you, and say, you know
what, guys, it is thefull transformation has occurred within me. But

(01:10:55):
then, but then, and we'regoing to jump ahead to some listener feedback
right now from one miss Lisa.And she recently told me that we constantly
say her name wrong, called methe correct pronunciation. Yet so I am
thinking her I thought her name wasLisa silver Televski. I think it's silver

(01:11:16):
Sis, it's s y l vR. I think we need the phonetic
spelling. Lisa, Yeah, helpus out, because I don't want to
be saying your name, because shesaid, she said, when you say
sile Over, I think it's Silversile Over. It's fun to say whatever
it is. She said when Iwhen we start saying her name right then

(01:11:36):
she'll she'll call me Jade instead ofJay, because right now she calls her
drinking game the Jay drinking game.And I'm like, Lisa, You're so
I love her brutal honesty. Itis. It's what I need in my
life. It truly is, becauseI'm just so hearts and flowers on everything
all the time, and I'm justso like sugarcoady and Lisa's just like,

(01:11:57):
okay, let me just tell itlike it is. So this is what
Lisa sent as her feedback, andI'm going to read it now because it
impacts my Joel viewing. Okay,she says, first off, thank you
all for wanting my input. Ifeel like Sally Fields, they like me,
they really like me, And Isay that all the time. Maybe
not after I make this post,but let's see. This episode threw me

(01:12:20):
off. It told too much.Maybe I needed the mystery. Gordon Forge,
Gordon Ford, and Midge stopped seemingimportant after this episode Hetty two.
My heart sank when they showed thevideo of Midge at the roast. My
emotions were all over the place,Susie crying after their tits up comments to
each other were no longer encouraging butnostalgic and sad. Susie looked beat the

(01:12:40):
fuck up hard episode For me,I didn't hate it, and I didn't
love it. I did hate thinkingSusie took advantage of Midge and that was
the true reason for their split.Susie is so dedicated and loyal, but
so flawed. When Midge did notwant to get married in seventy three,
she said that she still loved thatfuck Joel. My eyes roll. No,
I did not want that balcony kissbecause it was too predictable, and

(01:13:03):
I puked a little bit in mymouth. Why do and she's referring to
the kiss last episode between Joel andMidge. Why do female characters always want
their first love as if they're alwaysin forever they shall be the one.
He gaslights the fuck out of her. That is why I hate him.
He's a one dimensional character. Hisonly focus Midge. When he was dick

(01:13:26):
deep in his secretary. At leastthen he was somewhat interesting. He had
a personality, he was good materialfor He was good material for Midge.
When he saw she was having alife and a little success, he made
his focus her. Now he bailsout. He bails her out of the
mob, gets arrested, goes toprison to protect her. I want to
note that I am sick of aman always being a hero and a savior

(01:13:50):
to women on shows. Why dowe eat that shit up? Do you
really think the mob wouldn't just keepMidge and take Joel's bar as well his
dad business. Come on, themob took the deal of it too easily.
It was an okay, It wasan okay. Sure, Oh golly
gee, take a fucking cookie,happy Hanukah agreement, a couple of Joel's

(01:14:12):
fingers, and maybe, just maybeI would have found that scene believable.
That would have been my most marvelousmoment. She's such a savage, rich
whole thinking on my part. Shesays, my most marvelous moment, however,
was Susie's sister Tessie singing at theroast. We share this in common.
She was over the top camp andI so want to want a party
with her ass. She never disappoints, annoying but spectacular. I wanted to

(01:14:36):
go into my opinion on Gordon Ford, but this episode was so heavy.
And then she says, and pleasedo only murders in the building. I'll
be listening, So okay, really, I wanted to read the whole thing
just because it goes together. Butreally, I want to talk isolated right
now about the part that she mentionswith Joel, because y'all, she's not

(01:14:57):
wrong. Okay, he's not wronghere now. I don't read him as
gaslighting Midge. I think that thewriters are doing they're absolute best to make
it clear that Joel is not doingthese things because he's condescending to Midge or
because he's got an ulterior mode.I don't think that he's doing this in

(01:15:19):
order to get Midge back. Ijust don't think that that's the reason.
But but she's not wrong in sayingthat. That is how it comes across
a bit. Go aheadcare, Ijust there are so many things, But
there are so many things I'm gonnado it. I have to make another
Gilmore Girls call back, because Ithink the Palladinos tend to do this when

(01:15:43):
you talk about a man being thehero. Back in season six of Gilmore
Girls, like Roy's last season,when she drops out of Yale and all
of a sudden, Jess comes backout of nowhere, and oh, why
did you drop out of Yale?This isn't you and Rory all of a
sudden, and it's just like,oh, yeah, why did I do
that? And that interaction with Jessis what steers her back on the right

(01:16:06):
path, and this is something thatirritates sometimes very bothersome. Yeah, yes,
but I also I was very similar, Sorry, real quick, I
was very similar in my feelings aboutJess. As Joel. I was like,
fucking hate this man. I hatedhim as a character. They are

(01:16:27):
so good at writing male characters thatI absolutely fucking cannot stand because Joel first
couple of seasons absolutely fuck no,get the fuck out of here. Jess
really the entire show. And thenwhen when Jess came back and did that
with Rory, I was like,aunt, too little, too late.
I see what you're doing. Idon't like it. Yeah, still I
still didn't like him, but it'slike it is a good point, Like

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he is saving Midge. He isnot only saving Midge, he is saving
Susie. So that's two women thathe is stepping up and saving, and
I can see how that would bea bit frustrating. But I also think
we are one hundred percent supposed tobe rooting for Joel, and I think

(01:17:11):
he I mean, I am choosingto see it as his personal redemption arc.
I think he realizes that he isnot going to get Midge back.
I don't think any of this isto try to win her back. I
think he truly is realizing one whathe had. He cares about her,
and he does have children. Nomatter how much they neglect them, he

(01:17:33):
seems to care about them. SoI think he is doing this okay.
But it was like, after readingwhat Lisa said, I did watch that
scene again, like immediately after Iread this, because I'm like, oh
my god, oh my god,she has rocked my world. Like I
because, like I said, Ihad bought in guys hook line and fucking
Sinca. I was like a sucker. I was in it. I was

(01:17:57):
like, Joel, I love you. I love Joel, but considering who
it is that he's saving, it'slike, Okay, if you don't love
what he's doing here, then basicallyyou don't love Midge and Susie. And
like, although Midge and Susie areincredibly flawed, as we've already said,
I fucking love him. So Ilove I love his intention, and I

(01:18:20):
love Michael Zegan. There's so muchI love. But I think that it
was a bit heavy handed in thewhole. When that little girl shows up
and well on a Christmas cookie,I was like, Okay, I get
it. He loves kids. Aretrying to lay this and this is not
like a last minute Oh yeah,by the way, Joel loves kids.
Like we've seen it, you know. Midge goes on tour and he really

(01:18:43):
did step up as a dad andwe see the kids like hanging all over
him and he's not complaining, andI don't believe that he is manipulative,
you know, But it was likethey're laying on the Joel redemption. It's
like, I'm almost kind of sickof it, actually, And I feel
like Lisa did kind of like thistruth to me and she didn't ruin it

(01:19:05):
for me at all. I lovegetting like a contrary opinion then and having
it rock my world. Yes,exactly what what happened here, well,
Old was rocked. I will saythe one thing I thought it was hilarious
her take on you know, themob, letting things go that easily and
all this stuff. But I forgivethat wholeheartedly, just because I see this

(01:19:29):
show as almost fantastical, Like we'vetalked about it being essentially a musical without
all the characters singing like yeah,it's gonna be wrapped up in a nice
little bow most of the time.And it's obviously Frank and Nikki are the
most charming, and they're friendly gangsters, gangsters who say hi to the mailman.

(01:19:50):
Yes, So like I couldn't forgivethat. No, no, that's
not really I think that Lisa.I think that Lisa was a too harsh
on that front. I'm not botheredat all by the friendly gangster thing.
I think that that's just adorable.But I'll say, like I still am.

(01:20:10):
I see her points, and itdoes irritate me that Joel is like
this male savior character or whatever forMidge and Susie. But I buy his
redemption. Like, I think theyrushed it a little bit. I think
the Palladinos are under the impression maybethat they did a better job building it
up over the seasons. But yeah, when she said one note though,

(01:20:32):
this season, we're getting one notefrom Joel. I hate those upsters to
protect Godge. Yeah it is.And you know what's funny is that I
almost like continually continualing, continuing tosee Joel as a real person and not
just the actor who I really dolove. I don't blame Joel, I

(01:20:54):
blame God, I e. Thewriters because of the words that they're putting
in his mouth. Like I kindof I feel like if Joel could say
it or do it himself, hewould do it better, because yeah,
I think that the fault here lieswith um the Palladinos. Well, and
I will say in our news sectionlater there is an article and an interview

(01:21:15):
with Michael Dean about this whole storyline, so he has some interesting respective for
sure. Erica, Erica, you'reawfully quiet over there. Sorry, Eric,
Kara and I are good. We'rethe big mouths and we just when
we get on our thing, welike don't shut up. So no,
no, no, I'm just I'mI'm letting it sink in. I just
wanted to say that, you know, one thing, Lisa's very consistent with

(01:21:36):
her torchhol and I respect that andI think it allows us to think about
it. And I've had the sametype of going back and forth. But
um, I was thinking a lotabout the Sea. The scene where Joel,
I guess, breaks into Susie's officeand tears it up, it was

(01:21:56):
really it really kind painted Susie andlike a really shitty light. Susie looked
like a major asshole right there.And I don't know if it's because it
was coming from the perspective of Joelscribing at Joel asshole, asshole. Yeah,
And it's just like and I thinkI don't think he was doing it
to save Susie because he she keptsaying I'll fix it, I'll fix it,

(01:22:20):
and he knew she couldn't fix it, like she was just too deep,
didn't know how to do it.Susie is, she's got an addiction.
She's a gambler, right, Andit hasn't changed, and it hasn't
changed, and it consistently gets worseand worse, and and I know we'll
talk about it when we get tothe synagogue scene. And you know,

(01:22:41):
they've you know, we've seen Susieand like in a very dark way in
certain season. A lot of ithas to do with the fact the way
she handles money, yes, andI really want to talk about that too,
and how she lies or let menot just say like, but keeps
the truth away, whether it's toprotect her clients or it's to protect herself,
Like I don't think she intentionally wantsto hurt anybody, but just as

(01:23:03):
any addict could possibly be. Yeah, no, there's an addiction. She
has an addiction. So I wasthinking about that, and I think if
we look in a perspective, yeah, he wants to protect the mother of
his children, like that's the reasonhe did this, And I see it's
valiant, and I think that's probablyall we can look at. But but

(01:23:24):
yeah, I thought a lot aboutthat particular scene because it really was you
know, it bothers me, especiallylike she's pretty lowesome there and in the
synagogue she's even worse, Like,oh, that was awful. I want
there's a bothersome aspect of the factthat Susie just thinks this is fine.
Yeah, she thinks that this wholemafia thing is fine. It's fine,

(01:23:45):
it's fine. Yeah, non here, people don't worry about it. I
got this mine. She's gonna makeso much money, it'll be fine.
And it's like Susie, Yes,sure, she will make so much money
on but it's all up to Midge. It's like she's she's putting it all
on Midge's back and she's saying,I'll get out of this because Midge is
a sure thing she's betting on,I mean, which is essentially what a

(01:24:08):
good manager does. They know whereto put their place, their bets on
what client. But it is putting. It's a lot of pressure to put,
unknowingly on Midge to just continue towork like a poll course Joel,
like there's no love loss between Joeland Susie, and the fact that this
happens to save Susie is an unintendedcollateral content. Yeah, definitely, and

(01:24:32):
definitely. I just I don't know, Like I went back and forth a
lot thinking about Susie and the depthof her betrayal of Midge in this episode
and just how deplorable her behavior was, and especially in terms of the gambling,
and you know she had Midge doingshows, what she said, three

(01:24:55):
shows a night for six nights aweek, like working her ass off because
of Susie these gambling debts. Andthen I started thinking about it, like
critically on my second watch. Andyou know, when we see Susie,
we see her in this tiny littlestudio apartment, like she is clearly someone

(01:25:15):
who has dealt with poverty, hasalways struggled to make ends meet, and
that type of you know, livingin survival mode for that long. As
soon as she does have money,what's she going to do with it?
Like she's never had money before.She has it and she wants to gamble,
she wants to spin it, spendit, She's going to take risks.

(01:25:38):
And it's just so interesting to seethat portion of her character development,
and it makes sense to me whyshe would then become addicted to gambling after
this success. And it's just socontrasted with Midge too, because Midge is
so used, like she didn't thinkabout money like she's always had it.

(01:25:59):
You don't have to think about moneywhen you're used to having it. And
I just that made me feel abit more sympathy for Susie. Yeah,
remember when Midge. Um, you'retalking about her relationship to money. When
she gets kicked off the tour TryBaldwin and she comes back and she has
all these these debts and everything,and like the milkman, she can't she

(01:26:20):
can't get her milk delivered, andshe just like goes to calls all these
people and she's like, how aboutextending my tab? How about increasing it?
Yeah? Yeah, increasing my tab? Yeah. She just um,
she can talk her way out aboutanything. And like money is like monopoly
money to Midge. It's not reality, you know, yes, absolutely,

(01:26:41):
yeah, yeah point. And Iwas just thinking about it as you guys
were talking. If if Midge wereto have an addiction, uh, it
would probably be what they call alove and sex and love addiction, and
sex and love addiction when you like, as someone who has been to meetings
there are like sex and love addictsanonymous meetings like I've been to them.

(01:27:03):
I was a different person in earlieryears, and it very has very little
to do with sex. Usually it'smore like an addiction to people and having
someone to It's like a dependency things. And clearly clearly Midge is dealing with
that as an addiction. If shehad an addiction in her life, it

(01:27:24):
would probably be love, because shecan't not be married. We see she
can, apparently, where I've onlygotten worse. It's hard to keep track
now of all of these references toher like lovers or fiances or husbands or
who she's dated. That is aninteresting I have parallel. I have more

(01:27:45):
to say about that. But beforewe get too ahead of ourselves, because
we're you know, but whatever ithas to happen, Let's go back to
the roast for a little delightful interludefrom Malie Bergel as tests. Oh god,
oh my goodness. I mean,I know if we talked about it
a lot already, I know,but I think that you know, when

(01:28:10):
they gave her an introduction of howthey took three connecting flights and to be
twelve injections to get her here,who did you think was going to be
coming out that door? I justlike had no idea and I didn't.
I was I was like, whois it? Like? Who could this
be? I thought, could itbe? Bitch? I had no idea?
And then here comes tests and allher gold le mat glory. So

(01:28:33):
I don't even know how to it'sIt was so tacky and so great she
is. She is incredible. Ihope she gets more from this because she
just took this tiny little bit partand you know, she took over everything.
It was so cringe. It wasso like, oh my god,
this is embarrassing. But she was. She knows, she thinks she's good.

(01:28:54):
So the fact that she sorry,no, I was just gonna say,
she comes down and she has allthese notes, that she comes down
and starts reading everybody else's jokes andno one's laughing about herself and then she
doesn't get them was hilarious. Idied like I was last high. She
was clearly on something. She wasall the things um and it just keeps

(01:29:17):
cutting to like Sean Gunn and allthe guys saying and then it just got
fucking weird. I mean, Ithink the only thing I could compare this
too is like, you know,just what these hasbands, but like they're
mentioning how like how awesome Susie isis that you know, she'll do anything,
even for her little sister, butgot her helped her with her music
career where she had this one hit, what was it, number on a

(01:29:41):
Billboard dance chart and number one inIndonesia and that she didn't even know it
existed before that. She moved therebecause Susie didn't know. I didn't know
Indonesia was real before that. NowI lived there. Yeah, she made
me think about, like, youknow, back in the seventies, all
those disco songs, everybody was puttingthem out. It remind me of like

(01:30:02):
the one remember that one song?More and more and more. It was
by a porn star. I can'tsay right now, but you know what
I'm talking about, Like it justit was so tacky and cheesy and it
was just over and over again.You know. The The lyrics are when
I saw you at the nightclub,you were dancing, and then she says,
let me rub your face while youshake your hips. I'm just a

(01:30:26):
baby girl who wants to taste yourlips. You say you have to go,
but boy, there's something you needto know. Who woa that?
I'm never never, ever kind ofstuff, loving you, watching you,
following you, it was go,what is this special? Let me rub
your face while you shake your hips. I think if this is Tessa's last

(01:30:50):
hurrah, she definitely went out witha bang, with a bang. I
thought that the trash moment was likemy highlight. This Yeah, this takes
the cake Man. It was amazing. It was so silly, It was
really great. I don't I don'tthink I could have anything else that could
top that. No, and this, this is one of the reasons why

(01:31:11):
this episode is truly like it mightbe a damn near perfect episode because it
gave me highs and it gave melows, but then it brought me back
up again and then it had meyou know, I was It ran the
Gambit Man all over the place.Yeah, oh yep, all right,
So shall we get to this holeMidge's Hawaiian wedding in nineteen seventy three.

(01:31:34):
This was a fun one. Um. I did enjoy that the Roasters are
sitting around talking about, like,you know, the Midge Hawaiian wedding story,
like this is clearly something that's takenon a life of its own,
and they're like, I just hopeit's true, and they're seeing it as
Susie will do anything for her clients. But obviously we cut to it and

(01:31:55):
we see just how much like Susieloves and cares for Midge help it,
like Midge is basically her person tosteal something cheesy from Grey's Anatomy, but
she clearly love her, you know, like and it's true. And one
thing that I have to mention soI don't forget is the brilliant physical comedy

(01:32:18):
moment from Rachel Brosenhan opening up thatbanana as she is like breaking out.
I lost it, Like I gotdistracted from the scene because she just like
butchering and mushing aggressive. But yeah, like it was so good and I
think it you're eating a banana andI'm sure and that was one way to

(01:32:42):
eat a banana, like whatever works. Yeah, No, that that moment
actually really did. It brought pulledmy attention as well because doing something like
that, she it looks so easy, right to just pick up something like
a banana and just aggressively open it, shove a bite in your mouth and
then lamb it down on the tableand then continue on without missing a breath

(01:33:02):
or But a guys, I haveto say, like, as an actor,
this was incredible acting because it remindedme of something that you see on
stage the seamless Yeah, so seamlessto utilize a prop like a banana like
that, that's like food as well. It's just not as easy as it
looks. It's just it's just notas easy as it looks. I can't

(01:33:23):
explain it any other way, Justlike those I don't know if that was
direction or her choice or suppose,but like, I'm sure it was her.
The way all of these actors,you know, the choices they make
and these that seems so small addsto the richness of the show. And

(01:33:44):
that that moment, I was justlike, God, I love her,
Like that was brilliant. But youknow, we see Midge having cold feet
about getting married to Philip Roth,which is one of the funniest things I
could imagine, Like for our listenerswho are not familiar with Philip Roth,
he was a Jewish American writer knownmainly for a very controversial no novel that

(01:34:10):
they referenced in the show called PortnoiseComplaint. And it's kind of you know,
it's sexually explicit and it's intended tobe comedic, and it was just
which I love the fact that Abe, the fact that Abe is all about
Philip Roth is really funny, knowingthe way writes. I mean, he
is, you know, he's Jewish, he's successful, he won a ton

(01:34:31):
of awards, He won the Pulletzerultimately in nineteen ninety eight for American Pastoral,
which is another just kind of brilliantly, kind of quirky work. But
he was notoriously prickly, I guessis a good word, and just don't

(01:34:51):
really see him as having a senseof humor that would jive with Midge.
And I will say one thing oneof my I could hear one of my
English professors in the back of myhead talking about Philip Roth and how he
kind of did push the envelope,especially during the sexual revolution of the sixties.

(01:35:11):
And this English professor of my professormight happen to be a huge Lenny
Bruce fan as well. And thereare comparisons from academics and in the media
back then to Lenny Bruce with howhe pushed, you know, the envelope
in comedy. And I was justlike, I'm sure that had to be
intentional because of how familiar Amy ShermanPalladino is with Lenny Bruce. But I

(01:35:36):
loved that little nugget. I waslike, this is brilliant, Like is
Midge drawn to him because he remindsher of Lenny and that you know,
controversial kind of personality. But otherwise, I just I think it's hilarious that
she was about to marry Philip Rothbecause I just don't see it, and

(01:35:58):
then do you and she doesn't isexactly what you're saying, exactly funny.
He's not funny. And that linewhere Susie is like, you know,
breaking it to him over the phoneand saying, you know, yes,
I've read Portnoy's complaint. It's veryfunny. You just don't make her life
the breakfast table. But that bookwas hilarious. Did god you should have
read it at the breakfast table?Yeah, but it's like, sorry,

(01:36:20):
should have done that. But doyou guys think it's a coincidence too that
Moishe's clothing business was named Maslin Roth. There was someone in the comments who
pointed this out. There's a commentabout that. Yeah, like I saw,
I don't know what we were doing, like I was having I had
it on in the background, andthere's that whole exchange about uh, like

(01:36:44):
Joel and Moishe when Joel's taken overand they should have gotten Wroth. And
I remember being confused by that whenwe first saw it, and I was
like, this could just be areally fun coincidence, but I'm gonna pretend
like it's not and it's just thePalladinos seeming. Yes, I think that
all that that was is there wasjust never a Wroth. He just invented
a name to sound like he hadassociates when he did like at Susie Meyers

(01:37:06):
such, there are no associates yethe's gives weight to the company, h
sense, But that just I don'tknow. I enjoyed all of that a
lot, And we finally get tosee Abe and Rose in a flash forward
I like teeny moment. I cheereda little internally when they came on the

(01:37:30):
screen, and I just think itis hilarious how they have clearly adjusted very
well to Midge's career as a comediannow and seem fully on board to enjoying
some of the perks, like thefact that they you know, she's saying
she's still in love with Joel,and it's it feels like it's supposed to

(01:37:53):
be this huge confession moment and they'relike, who's Joel? Which Joel and
they think she's about Joel Gray,which apparently she was also what like engaged
to him, and we know thatwouldn't have gone too far. Yeah,
right, like so massively funny whenI why would you say Joel Gray?

(01:38:15):
Yeah, it was like Joel Gray, Joel like Cabaret, Joel Gray like
MC Joel Gray, and it wasdeath. Yeah. I was like,
this is okay. I was like, all right, Midge, but I
can see why he would be ontheir minds, not only because she was
apparently engaged him, but because themovie Cabaret had come out in what nineteen

(01:38:36):
seventy two and one and Joel Grayone best actor. So I'll forgive them
for that. But yeah, thefact that they immediately jumped to Joel Gray
and not Joel their ex son inlaw and the father of their grandchildren,
was really enjoyable for me. Iwas like, of course, but I

(01:38:57):
also think like, in just thatone brief exchange between them, it is
communicated so clearly just how much theirattitudes and perspective of Midge's career in her
relationships have shifted, Like they're justcasually throwing it like, well, you
were engaged to him. Meanwhile,it was such a big deal back in

(01:39:17):
what I don't remember when that was, was it season three or the end
of season two, when he's likeinterrogating Benjamin practically and doing all this investigation
just before he'll agree to give BenjaminMidge's hand in marriage. And it's you
know, they're they're a little looser. Now maybe the sixties did them,

(01:39:40):
did them good? Yeah? Butand that line, what was it was
a very expensive cake. I wasjust like the way Marin Hinkle delivers or
lines, she just makes she makessomething out of nothing. I mean,
but just when she it was avery pensive cake. The cake was quite

(01:40:02):
pressing the way she says it withsuch like exhaustion, like, Susie,
you're not gonna get us this much. It was very expensive. She's like,
I don't think you realize this isa very expensive cake. And Tony
Shalouba is like it was expensive.And then you see Susie just like taking

(01:40:28):
it in from the from the pastrychef, like no, we're not taking
this cake back. Yeah, Susietook charge, like she tries to set
a boundary with Midge and it's likeno, like I have done all this
ship for you. This litany ofthings gave gave rise to my favorite uh
section of this scene. I jumpedand jumped onto a subway track to retrieve

(01:40:51):
your third favorite hat. I cameto your apartment at four am to kill
a cockroach. Turned out to bea raisin youth and is three of your
elderly pets. I wrung out yourwet braws on hotel terraces. I rustled
a Turkish police officer to the ground. I kept ethel Merman away from you.
My favorite line too, keeping becauseif anyone knows, if you know,

(01:41:15):
okay, ethel Merman was like,she was a very intense woman.
Okay. All When I think ofethel Merment, I think of the moment
that she and Barbara Streisand and JudyGarland all sang together, and Barbara Streisand
just looks terrified, just the terrorin her eyes, and Judy is just
happy to be here, and ethelMerman is like, I'm still great,

(01:41:39):
don't forget about me, and Streisandis like, get me out of here.
Someone saved me. Please. Theimmediate imagery all of that conjured up.
I was like, that is thatis fantastic? Like Susie really gives
a shit about you. Midge,like this is a big deal, And
despite trying to draw that boundary,she steps in and takes care of it

(01:42:00):
because she loves her. And evenif Midge cried, yeah, that was
so sad. I was like,I'd probably do anything for Yeah. So
Rachel bros Man slash Midge crying too. This brought this. Huh. It's
these moments that make me. Andthere's like more to say about this toward
the end, so I'm not goingto say too much about it now.

(01:42:21):
But like the fact that Midge cannotbreak up with her boyfriend or her fiance
herself. She sits there and crieslike a five year old child, and
yeah, I'm like, Midge,Wow, this isn't a great look for
you. Like the years haven't.This is where we are. Midge is
not good at people and relationships.She's just not, like why would she

(01:42:45):
be, Like she doesn't like herparents are kind of emotionally stunted, so
she didn't really have anybody to learnfrom, like all of the you know,
the surface level things and how apearancescame across what was important and she
suffering from it and so are herkids. Yeah, good point. I

(01:43:10):
mean, she wasn't she didn't breakup a Jewel. Joel dumped her and
then you know, and then andthe way she broke up with Benjamin was
pretty shitty, So pretty shitty.Yeah, so it was horrible. So
it's it's pretty consistent with her thatshe's that's true. That's true, it
is. It is more consistent thanI guess. But yeah, just just

(01:43:30):
seeing her sitting there crying like that, basically being like, Susie, I
can't do it to help me,I was like, oh, she would
totally somebody a message. Oh yeah, yeah, she probably would. She
would, like I all, shewould go that Susie would melt if she
saw Midge upset and crying. Becausealso, think about how many times we've

(01:43:56):
seen Midge cry or break down likewe usually see her, you know,
emotional devastation come out in the formof fast talking anger or frustration, Like
I don't remember that many instances whereshe cried, and clearly it had an
impact on Susie. She's a sucker. She may not have admitted that they

(01:44:17):
were friends until the synagogue moment,but she loved her, like, yeah,
let's get to it. Let's talkabout the synagogue moment. Okay,
oh boy, oh boy. Sowe we talked about this earlier, about
how Mike, you know, broughtup like I I know it happened,
and he could vouch for both talkingto both of them. This was a

(01:44:39):
hard scene, it was. Itkind of brought us right into this jam
packed service. And we see twentynine year old Ethan. And the reason
I know he was twenty nine yearsold is that you know how Prime likes
to show you, oh, theactors, and it explicitly said twenty nine
year old Ethan. I'm like,okay, that's really good. It helps
me kind of kind of think aboutlike, so, if Etan is twenty

(01:45:00):
nine, then Midge, how olddo you think she is about this point?
Maybe in her what if she's ifit's what, it's nice. If
he's thirty, she must be inher fifth like mid fifties. Yeah,
she's like twenty eight and sixty one. Mm hmmm. We have to do
the math. We have to dothe math. And a corporal Haaba is

(01:45:20):
there. I can't stand her,so me, she's so miserable. I
hate New York. And now Iwas that baby Rose in her arms?
That was there was baby Rose.And we see Joel and I know one
of our listeners was mentioning was estherthere? And I don't think so.

(01:45:40):
I was. I was trying tolook around and I watched just to see
who was there, and I didn'tsee her. So it looks like it's
just the four or the five ofthem with the baby at the service.
We know there's no Abe, there'sno Rose. Kind of gives us kind
of an indication of who is uh, who's still living? No, Um,
we haven't seen Moish, we haven'tseen Charlie. Yeah, this is

(01:46:01):
nineteen eighty five. Yeah, soit's much later, and we see Joel
is really nervous and he looks reallyupset and um, you know, and
Midge notices and then all of asudden they come to this a very important
part of the service where they're praying. Again, I put my dispension of
this belief away that the FBI wouldum, you know, burst in and

(01:46:26):
a restaural right there and you know, drag him out. I mean,
FBI is not always known for makingexcellent decision. Yeah. Yeah, but
yeah, so we get to thatpoint, but you know, we see
how upset everybody is and oh andI forgot to mention the fact that you
know, there is again Hava hatesher mother in law. Why is she

(01:46:46):
sitting next to Midge. I justlike, can't we just switch this around?
But no, they got to putthe people next to each other with
as much tension as possible. Yeah, and Mitch was trying to dote over
her little gram baby, but no, Papa is not how any of it.
But yeah, so we we seeJoel getting taken away. He tells
her to read this note, andthen we we kind of like faded and

(01:47:10):
it's to this empty synagogue with herecomes Susie just walking in and we see
our our mitge there and they havethis altercation that really kind of just set
why there the relationship broke up.It was a lot. I think that

(01:47:30):
you know, she took Joel's letterread it and I was looking at Rachel
Braza hands just away when you seeSusie coming in from the back and just
at camera work, and you seeMitch just looking at the letter. Her
eyes are down. You could seeher face, she could see how hurt
she is, how the betrayal onher face. And it was just so

(01:47:50):
upsetting. And I hated Susie somuch in this scene. I thought like
her haircut was just like I waslike, she just it was really bad,
but it kind of like she wasjust so unsympathetic. It was kind
it reminded me that scene I wastalking about earlier about where she was with
Joel. She was just kind oflike trying to cover up everything and she

(01:48:13):
wasn't even listening to where Mitch wascoming, like this confrontation, like these
lies that she has been dealing with, And I know, Carr, you
brought it up, like the amountof work that Susie pushed her to doing,
and she's like, I was ontour for fifteen years and she needed
a week. She's been solidly lyingto her for fifteen years. Yeah,

(01:48:35):
you're huge line. Yeah, andshe said she needed a break. And
then she she said, you know, like how what what's her business with
these casinos? And she realizes thereason she's working like this is to pay
off Susie's debts. Yeah, it'spretty settling. It's so it was so

(01:48:58):
so My question is this though,like who is worse, Susie or Midge?
Because I go back and forth.They're made for each other, They're
kind of each other. Yeah,like Susie all of a wife, Smidge's
ass for years. Guys, Like, let's not forget let's just not forget
how really kind of awful Midge canbe at times. But then I think

(01:49:19):
to myself, like, we've seena lot of manager relationships in this show,
and I'm like, what who isit? What came first? You
know, the manager or the diva? Like, is it the diva?
Is it the manager enabling the shybaldwins the shit out of Midge? Yeah,
because we remember what Reggie, howReggie propped up Shy and how he

(01:49:43):
just covered up all and didn't didn'ttry to address the problem. Like same
thing with Susie. She's not tryingto address Smidge's issues. She's just coming
in being the fixer. Right.It's like when you see a problem and
you let it happen, you're justas guilty as the person who's doing the
thing, even if not more so, because you're the superior person to them.
You're enabling them. You know,Susie is just enabling Midge. But

(01:50:06):
also Susie herself as an addict,She like, I have a lot of
sympathy for this because I've been torehab, y'all, Like it's so nance,
But then one thing, yeah,and it's so it is exactly what
it caught addict does when they getwhen they're caught red handed, they defend

(01:50:27):
and they deflect and they put iton the other person. Yeah, like
you at Hanka, who gets Hanka? Yeah, are you complaining about You're
fine? You're fine? You know, it's like, oh, I will
say. I thought it was particularlyrich that Susie was kind of making that
snide comment to Midge about being naive, thinking that, you know, that

(01:50:50):
garbage musical deal with Frank and Nikiwas a one and done type thing.
When Susie herself in that episode seemedshocked and terrified when she had the realization
that Frank and Niki were not done, Like this wasn't okay, you owe
us a favor. You did afavor, and now we're good and welcome

(01:51:11):
to your life. I was justlike him. It's Susie, Like,
it is not Midge's fault for notsomehow piecing together that the mob was taking
thirty percent of her ownings for awhile, or that you know, she
didn't realize how deep all of thiswent. But I think it's a good
thing that they're both kind of deplorablein their own right, because, yeah,

(01:51:32):
it makes it hard to pick aside, like they're being wrong in
a lot of ways. And Susiewhen she was I can't remember what she
said. Did she say I madeyou or something like I made you who
you were? She's like, youwere a housewife, and she's not wrong.
She saw Midge that night at thegaslight and it sparked something in her.

(01:51:57):
She recognized her talent. And ifSue he hadn't pursued Midge, who
knows what would have happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're They're truly
made for each other. They area perfect storm of they're the odd couple.
You know, it's like so unlikely, but it just works. It's
magic. I'm kind of tone sorry, I'm kind of torn because I almost

(01:52:21):
wish we would have seen more behindtheir breakup, but I don't know.
Like this roast and Susie, Yeah, like I wish it would have played
out a little bit longer throughout thisseason. But at the same time,
like this roast device was such abrilliant way to tie up all of these

(01:52:41):
you know, kind of loose endsand subplots in a way that made sense.
But well, for me, itdidn't seem too abrupt because because like
I've been saying this whole season.My one like er is we need more
scenes with Susie and Midge. I'mfeeling them pulling apart. They're apart,
They're at all they're scene together,are on the phone, Susie's in her
office, Susie's got other clients,and then Midge is, you know,

(01:53:04):
doing shows she's doing, She's atgordon Ford, you know, she's They're
they're just less of a cohesive teamand more of a like they're together,
but they're apart. You know,we didn't feel too jarring for me.
I felt I felt like this kindof worked just for me. Yeah,
it is rough not to see themand scenes together and they're banter back and

(01:53:24):
forth. But what is our mainconflict now, Like, as we're going
to wrap up the show, whatis our conflict? Well, we don't
know yet. I mean, likeif you think about it, if if
at the end it looks like theyare trying to restore the relationship, but
we don't know. Oh yeah,Mitch is bringing I can't remember if it

(01:53:48):
was a listener feedback or like acomment that I saw on Facebook or something,
but somebody put forth the idea oflike we don't know that they're actually
going to reconcile, Like we don'tknow that's the future. That's even that
hasn't happened yet. That's the thing. So I guess, you know,
it does seem like we're heading inthat direction, but we still need to

(01:54:08):
see this actual reconciliation. Well,and it's like, this is the thing.
Can they just be friends? Canthey be friends for the very first
time? Really, because that's oneof the heartbreaking things is that she says,
oh, now you call me afriend the first time you use that
word, Like they've always been friends. They know, Susie knows that she's

(01:54:29):
always been Midge's friend, of course, like since at the time they were
sitting there in that in that hotdog stand and she's like, I thought
we were friends, and she's likefriends were not friends. It's like,
you know, we're friends, youknow so, But but for Susie to
say it for the first time,it's like only when she is trying to
manipulate Midge to change her mind orwhatever. But can they just be friends
without having a working professional relationship.Maybe that's something. Also, Susie is

(01:54:51):
still with Frank and Nikki, She'sstill kind of owned by them. I'm
assuming, all right, the veryleast like they are heavily connected. Yeah,
even as far as in the latereight year Yeah yeah, so okay,
so let's go back to the roastum. Susie's getting high with the

(01:55:13):
guys in the kitchen dancing to Romeby the V fifty twos, which I'm
like, that would be that wouldtotally be me at this event. I
would find the drugs in the backand like go hang out with them with
those people. So yeah. Iliked the end of Susie's speech when she's
like, I'm supposed to say somethingsincere now right, well, this is
the only business that would ever putup with a bitch like me. Suckers.

(01:55:36):
And I don't know if listeners havefollowed like Alexporstein's Instagram or her pictures
and on Facebook and everything. There'snot not one single public photo that Alex
Sporstein takes where she is not justflipping off the camera. It's just her
thing, and I fucking love it. It's it's very fitting. I was

(01:55:57):
like, is that Alex or isthat Susie. I don't think there is
a difference here. So she getsher cream pops she's ready to hit the
road. And then Midge comes onthis video message and so I had I
saw there was a listener comment thatI don't know if it was on one
of our posts. I don't thinkthat it was, but they said the
reason that Bailey Deyong is not inthis show is because she retired from acting.

(01:56:20):
Y'all, she had a baby andgood for her. So I don't
know if that was, but Ilove her, I know, but I
do love that the writers have chosento like they see she still exists.
Yeah, she still exists and theyare friends and they want to make us
know this, like Midge and Imagineare still together, which I appreciate.

(01:56:41):
And Jade, I have to know, did you notice anything particular about Midge's
appearance in that video? I lovethis well. I was going to say
she was wearing an amazing powder bluenumber with Bois leaves, which I really
loved. Did you notice the jewelryshe was wearing Iemons It was Roses necklace

(01:57:02):
and earrings, and I thought,of you immediately understood it sealed them.
Yeah. I was just like,oh my god. I was so happy.
I was like, Jade was soright. They we're gonna come back,
and they came back in such anice yeah, way good. And
to be fair, I did notnotice that until like my third watch when

(01:57:25):
it was playing in the background.I am mad that I did not notice
it, but I love that youdid. Oh that's awesome. I gasped
audibly when I realized it, andI was like, this is perfect,
Like I love this. The Palladinosare like masters of the callback, masterful
and that was great. It mademe really happy. So okay, I

(01:57:50):
the tissues were just like all ofthe placement Susie. She says that Susie
made me what I am today.She saw a nervous breakdown and turned it
into a year, no a life, and it's just exactly. It is
like echoing what Susie said in thechurch. I made you, and she's
like, you're not wrong, youknow, and I love that. And

(01:58:11):
then when she started with the insidejokes, the lump started to come up
in my throat and she said,remember the plunger, the arthritis, telethon,
hiding from Sophie Lennon, the smellof the gas light and Jackie,
And then the tears started coming.I still miss that weirdo because that if
you guys listeners, remember that theepisode where it was Jackie's funeral, that

(01:58:36):
is my favorite episode of the entireseries. So also a side note,
Alex Borsen has I'll link the article. She has said that she has been
asked many many times to sign plungers. It's like the main thing that is
fantastic. Yeah, And back intwenty nineteen, apparently there was like a

(01:58:57):
ex an installation art exhibit in LAat seven different malls around LA. They
put up these hot pink sixteen footplunger uh installation things that you could just
like take a photo with. Andso yeah, I'll link that article.
Uh. And so we all rememberPamela the Plunger. I love. It's
like an alliteration thing too, Pamelathe Plunger. So I am here by

(01:59:20):
naming my plunger Pamela in my bathroom. Now I have a labelmaker that's kind
of tempting, just like, Yeah, Alex Borstein said, whenever someone asks
her to sign the plunger, She'slike, it doesn't have the tag on
it? Can I have? Then? Do you have the receipt? Was
this freshly bought? Not signing it? If it's it's coming from your house.

(01:59:45):
So yeah, so she asks Susieto get back together and then oh,
Susie starts to cry. And whenSusie said, tit's up, old
or when when she said up oldfriend and Susie said tit's up, I
was like, I kid, I'mnot okay, Okay. It was yeah,
ugly crying, but sheer utter joy. Guys like, and I wanted

(02:00:12):
to Oh, I wanted to playsomething for you. Guys say, okay,
so something I wanted to mention.There is a Jackie Dela Pietra foundation.
I love. That was one ofmy idol I loved it so much,
and it just reminded me when Susiewas at the funeral. There's this
awesome that. I mean, that'smy favorite part of my favorite episode.
But this is what she says,just to refresh y'all's memories. I'm sprinklet

(02:00:39):
sawdust, I'm fomite at the gaslights. Can't continue, okay, I cannot
stand by and watch this happen toanother postal up. So I am dedicating
the rest of my miserable, fuckinglife to find in the Jackies of the
world, the ones you'll walk by, the ones you don't see the ones
who never get a break, AndI'm going to make sure that I never

(02:01:00):
ever end up in my fucking apartment. I'm really sorry about this lady.
Sure she was very nice too.I just love that last part. But
yes. So then there was anothermoment in this episode where Susie says,
oh yeah. She says to HarryDrake, you are the only one who

(02:01:23):
noticed me when no one else did, And I just really hit me that
just this is this Susie has trulydone that, Like she for all of
her faults, you know, sheis so flawed, but Susie does that
for other people, you know,for like Midge first and then Dinah and
Alphie and James, Like she seeswhat people don't see, and she she

(02:01:45):
knows what it feels like not tobe she knows what it feels like.
Yeah, and she, like I'msaying, for all her faults, she
uses her power for such good aswell. And I just I just loved
that. I remembered what she saidin that funeral speech and knowing that she
started this foundation for Jackie made mereally really happy fan service. It may
be I just think it's excellent writing, an excellent character. Yeah, definitely,

(02:02:10):
Yeah, it was. It wastruly great. And then we see
Susie walk out the door Elton John'slove song and Susie just looks so she
looks down at the phone number,and she's just so happy. The little
subtle smile that Alex Borsen gives,Oh God. And the words are the
lyrics are the words I have tosay. May well be simple, but

(02:02:31):
they're true. Until you give yourlove, there's nothing more that we can
do. Love is the opening door. Love is what we came here for.
No one could offer you more.Do you know what I mean?
Have your eyes really seen? Ohmy god, I'm gonna cry so good.
It was so good. I havehopes, but I have a feeling.

(02:02:51):
I don't know what do you guys? Prediction timeh gosh, yeah,
Erica like you go for because ohthat's gracious. I mean, I have
just so much word vomit that Iput down in my notes. But I
don't I don't know. I allright, So, as a as a

(02:03:13):
first time Sherman Palladino watcher, Idon't know how the endings of their shows
typically go. I I wanted tobe a happy end. We spoil it.
Kara, don't say anything. Iknow now I wanted to. I
wanted not happy about the Gilmore Girlsending. Do not talk about it until
the ending of this show. Yeah, a deal, we are not breaking
that deal. Okay. I wanted. I wanted to be a happy ending,

(02:03:35):
but I had. I just havea very weird feeling that someone needs
closure, and most of the timewhen we need closure, because I I
think especially for something that's their falloutwas so they were both so deeply hurt

(02:03:56):
in a way, like you know, there there was. It was such
such a deep and dark breakup thatit's so long and far. It's like
it's been so so much time haspassed that out of nowhere she wants to
reconcile. It tells me that sheneeds closure for some reason. So that's
where I'm going. I'm like,why now she says she's being nostalgic.

(02:04:18):
Yeah, that's all we get asto why she's doing this now, yep,
yea. And I mean, let'sthink about other hints, I guess,
or other little nuggets we've gotten throughoutthe season. She's giving away and
donating all of her beloved clothes,she fort she sells wigs, she has

(02:04:44):
a wig business and I and no, no, no, and I know
we gotta get through it. Midge. We see Esther in therapy in nineteen
eighty one, and remember way backwhen I said, I don't think it's

(02:05:05):
a coincidence that Esther is sitting thereas a PhD candidate having this little breakthrough,
this huge moment when she's studying molecularkinetic sequencing and she's looking at how
to rearrange DNA mutations and change thedirect trajectory of diseases. And then it

(02:05:27):
immediately cuts two. Rose on thephone with Susie saying, Miriam is very
ill, so I could see ithappening that say that again, Wait,
who said Miriam is very ill?Rose? Remember it was at the very
very first episode after the season finalewhere Midge is stuck out in the snow
and she's got hypothermia, and wesee the flash forward with Esther having this

(02:05:55):
breakthrough in terms of you know,did DNA mutations and changing the trajectory of
diseases, and then we cut backto the past where we left off in
the finale and Miriam called Miriam.Rose calls Susie, and Susie struggling with
her top Sheet Dancer the phone,and the first thing Rose says is Miriam

(02:06:17):
is very ill and it's because ofthe hypothermia and being out in the snow.
But I was just like, Idon't think the juxtaposition of those that's
the thing. And think about howstubborn Midge is. She took zo accountability
for what she did to shy baldBaldwin back in the day, and maybe

(02:06:38):
she has grown and matured as ahuman. But the only other possible catalyst
I could see for her all ofa sudden wanting to reconcile with Midge,
like, okay, maybe because Joelwas recently released from prison, which one
of the Roasters kind of threw outthere, But how is that enough?

(02:06:58):
Like I just I don't know.I could very much see that Midge is
dying I don't know, from cancer. This is something she's been struggling with
privately back you know, off andon, and now she needs that closure
with Susie. The other possibility,which is fun I'm by fun, I

(02:07:20):
mean morbid, is that Susie likethey're the Paladinos, are trying to throw
us off by thinking that maybe Midgeis the one that's gonna bite it and
Susie saying that she was going towalk home. It was kind of a
nice moment. And I don't knowif it's because I watched too many crime

(02:07:40):
shows, but it also felt slightlyominous to me. I was like,
oh my god, and I alwaysI was like, what did she get
to ba car? Okay, thatshe she won't, but I'm like,
and then she gets sit by acar? Right, it can't happen,
right, very first thing that cameto my mind, it can't happened like
that would make me actually probably physicallyagree. All right, I think I

(02:08:03):
might not watch anywhere if that happens. So I hear you. I'm picking
up what you're putting down. Idon't I want to put it back down
again because thank you know, yeah, I would love other alternative predictions.
I have to say I can't doit and not again. Okay, if
you haven't seen well, if youhaven't watched the show dead to me fast

(02:08:26):
yeah, yeah a second. Ican't take another cancer storyline. I can't
take it. I know, Jade. Listening to your coverage of that storyline
made me like sob like it wasit was intensive. But here here's a
fun other alternative that just popped intomy head. So maybe they know that

(02:08:46):
we'll be thinking that Midge is likedying from cancer some sort of terminal illness,
and then maybe they also know thatwe might think Susie would get hit
by a car walking home and otherthings. No, but this is like,
think about this. Throughout this episodeand throughout the show, Susie's diet
has been really emphasized and how unhealthyit is, and her little assistant getting

(02:09:11):
her dinner plate was just like heavyon the meat, like you got it,
and it was red meat. Andthen she's walking out with those cream
puffs. We know how much sheloved the whipped cream and cheese puffs over
the season. I was like,is she gonna have a heart attack?
Kara? I thought that I waslike a detail oriented, very astute viewer.
You put me to shape my friendlike Brabo, it's I am a

(02:09:35):
chronic overthinker. So I just like, yeah, my brain was just like
going about a minute, and Iwas just like, well, I don't
know what to think. Yeah,yeah, that's a lot I did.
Yeah, go ahead, I can'tstop now, but I did. Okay,
So talking about death, I wasjust like, Okay, I think

(02:10:00):
in the last three episodes we've gotto see at least something where Midge learns
of Lennie's death. It was sucha key and like central figure in the
development of her career and romantic nineteensixty six. Yeah, and well what

(02:10:20):
if I don't know? I mean, one, I could see them focusing
on Lennie's death and using that aslike showing us Midge coping with his death.
And yes, but like I think, but what if that's true?
But it was definitely before what likenineteen eighty five because Joel was in prison

(02:10:43):
when Rose had died, and thenanyway, I don't know, but if
Susie did die on her way toreconcile with Midge, wouldn't it be interesting?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry for puttingthis in the universe, But wouldn't
it be interesting if we see Midgereconciling Susie's death and flashing back to thinking
about Lenny's death because both of themwere so like important to her career And

(02:11:07):
what if that is how we getto see all of these huge monumental moments
like appearing on Gordon Ford hopefully finally, and her infamous night at Carnegie Hall
where we see her getting carted offthe stage by police, and that was
in like think nineteen seventy one orsomething. It said, Yeah, so
I don't know, like I don'tknow if they would go that dark,

(02:11:31):
But I just I don't know.My brain is a lot of people have
said that this episode felt like afinale, like there was a lot of
blue suns, Right, that's whatyou're saying. Where can we go from
here? Yeah, what's the conflictthey need to go back to after the
aftermath of George? Like, Ithink that's the next step, is the
going there, because where we're atis mid just still working in the writer's

(02:11:54):
room. George is gone. What'sgoing to happen at that point? And
that's going to show us where herThey have to tell us or show us
how Midge's career really jump starts,Like where haven't I haven't seen that huge
break like that? My more immediate, my more immediate prediction would be,
next episode, Midge gets on thatfucking show. Get her on the going

(02:12:15):
forward show already, let's see it, Yes, And I want to see
that. I want to see hersuccess. I want to see her take
off because I think we might seeher. And because we saw Susie's taste
of success in the last episode atthe very end, like where she was
being respected and we had that montage, we haven't seen that happen to Midge
yet. And I and I thinkthat the two of them realizing like,

(02:12:39):
all right, we finally did itis going to least help kind of make
the reconciliation a little bit more sweeterbecause that you can see their their relationship
just kind of went downhill from there, and I hope that that might help
it just piece in some of thatmissing stuff. Yes, that would be
a much happier way to show us, like the significant points in Midge's career,

(02:13:03):
is her and Susie like catching upand reminiscing about all of this stuff.
That would be a much happier ButI like, Okay, I did
like this episode, y'all, Ireally really did. That's not the thing.
But I do miss being in thepresent moment. Yes, I want
to go back, you know,I'm excited. As much as I loved
this and a whole I was like, wow, at one point when Susie

(02:13:24):
was on the fucking golf course,I think still I checked the time stamps
of the episode, and because Iwas thinking to myself, this is a
cold open. Okay, it's Susie'sroast, like maybe a framing device for
the rest of you. No,it's the whole episode. It's just fucking
flashbacks. I was like, I'mhere for it, let's do it.
I'm loving it. I ended uptotally. If you would ask me,
would do you want a whole episodeof the flash back jumping in time?

(02:13:45):
And let me just say bravo tothe cleanliness of keeping. I was always
aware of where we were. Ihave never confused. That always feels like
an issue on time jumpy shows,and this was not an issue. It
was they were really good and youcould tell. And I'm dumb like that,
I need you to spell it outfor me. But I didn't feel
like they were beating us over thehead. It was just nice and clear,
that's all. Ye seamless like itRob felt seamless. Here's here's a

(02:14:11):
really quick question. There were I'veseen those seams. I've seen those seams.
Here there were those seams. Whatis your favorite look of Susie's because
we have, you know, thequintessential Susie of the sixties Nights look all
the way baby nineties grunge, PattiSmith, give it to me. I
just love like classic newsies esque Susieand like a little like the Suspenders and

(02:14:35):
her little like Page Boy hat likethat asked me too. I think if
I close my eyes and pictured Susie, that is what would come to mind.
See, I would say that too. But like like you said Kara
so beautifully with mentioning Alex Borstein's easein her different looks through the years,
she just owns. I mean,it's just a real, living, breathing,

(02:14:56):
freaking human on my screen. Thisis not a costume. I am
in full belief. This is notold age makeup you sold me, Alex.
Susie and the Lady. Yeah,It's like, I'm not even bothered
by the fact that Susie, whohas such a little uniform, you know,
and she's introduced to us in sucha particular way, she owns it
so hard that I am in noway bothered by seeing her change in a

(02:15:18):
very different way that I feel aboutMidge, because let me tell you,
Midge's outfits in the future are questionableat best. That's opening outfit too.
Oh god, yeah, the openingoutfit. I can. I can respect
a sequined moment, I can respecta raise the sequence I love, but
the style of dress just felt likeit aged her more to Yeah, hey,

(02:15:43):
no, that's in the eighties,that's in that synagogue. Yeahogue,
worst outfit of the season. Worst. I was like horrified at the double
different. The hat was a differentshade of pink than the that both were
ugly shades of pink, but theywere too different. It was just and
those those clown bows on the front. Oh yeah, not ideal, no

(02:16:05):
no, But in the beginning withthat, with that intro, I was
surprised that she chose to wore thosesequence wear those sequens in the eighties because
the cut was very mod. Itwas very sixties. That's why I liked
that, true, didn't love it. Didn't love the big, the big
hot pink detailing. But it's Midge'ssignature color. So I can never I

(02:16:26):
can never really hate a hot pinkI almost never say, like when I
with the mod style, Like ifMidge present day, present day, nineteen
sixty one, Midge wore that dress, I think I would love it.
I don't know what it was.Maybe I was just just would be so
wrong, It's right, that's thething. Like maybe I was just distracted
by I don't know, like RachelBrosnahand's old age makeup, because it's true

(02:16:52):
every time I see her, like, I think she's doing a great job.
It's just I'm conscious of it everysingle scene. Yeah no, and
I'm real picky. I was consciousof it, like hell on Marin Hinkle
and Tony Shaloub because they only theyliterally that. You guys, they were
on set for like a day todo that shit, so they didn't have
enough time to get as comfortable init, so they're always gonna look like
Mike. Mike car looked a littlemore uncomfortable. Not bad. None of

(02:17:18):
these actors were bad. They alldid old age makeup better than like any
other show that I've seen, becauseI have a huge problem with it normally.
But yeah no, Alex Borstein ruled, um, sorry, our little
fashion talk everyone very long this evening. But there's a lot to say.
They were just giving us all thelooks from our times. There's a lot
to digest. Okay, shall wemove on? Is there anything more?

(02:17:41):
Check your notes? Last looks?If we're on set. I think the
only thing is I just want toput but I don't know if this is
something I want to leave on.Is that Susie called midget hunt? Oh
yeah, that must have extra hardand I care you collect your pearls,
Erica. I can see it.It's the only word word has been like

(02:18:05):
taken over and kind of been likebitch you was like two's day. It's
almost like an empowerment thing now,And don't get me wrong, like that,
it's still like there's a lot ofpushback, like and I still almost
have like a reaction. It's apretty horrible thing to call. But I
mean atlite, Yeah, I don'tthat's that's probably like the one word I
don't like, but it was.It's it's it's got teeth to it.

(02:18:28):
It's it really kind of treat yourheart like you know, it's like but
I'm sorry, call me a fuckingbitch, but no a cunt. Oh
no, I'm just teeth to it. And I immediately went to like Venus
fly Trap analogy or the or themovie teeth. All right, Well,
listeners, now that that image isgood and instilled in your head, have

(02:18:50):
you been listening to our conversation andnot thinking of a vagina with bangs.
Just think of a little shops instead. There you go, just go with
that. The main green mother fromnow there's face. Oh god, oh
my god. The first time Isaw that, I was so high.
I was just like, what's happeningright now? The Venus fly trap singing
at me. That was a prettywild experience. I'm actually sure that I

(02:19:15):
was more than high. I'm prettysure I was on acid at the time.
That's what it was. That's terrifying. No, it was great.
It was great. I think Iwas. I think I was like six
when I saw it, so Ididn't have that same experience. So you
were not on acid. Not onacid, guys, guys. It's moments
like these that I don't know ifI should cut out of the podcast or
not. So I'm gonna keep this. I'll keep this one in and I'll
just stay right here. Listeners.If you hate this, if you hate

(02:19:37):
our fun banter that we have andyou want us to cut this out,
like, just tell me and I'llstart cutting out more. I don't know,
I feel just to decrease our stars, you could, you could tell
us, yeah, give us achance, because just fix it first,
Take a chance, Sally, becauseI am sitting with two of the cutest
humans in existence, and I justwere you y. I love talking with

(02:20:01):
you guys. Okay, all right, anything more or shall we move on?
I'm ready for listener feedback. Yeah, we got so much, so
we're gonna try to read it alland not stop on every little thing.
So wish us look, here wego, listeners. We have been taking
a break for a moment. ButI just have to caveat this because I
want to include Erica's amazing story aboutmeeting Tim Curry any life. But you

(02:20:26):
were talking about your Tim Curry withbrush with Tim Curry and he called me
baby. I almost like he waslisten. I was waiting. I was
waiting in line to meet him.I'm in my magenta get up and he
and he's coming by, and youknow, and God bless him. He's

(02:20:48):
he's doing great. I mean,I'm so happy he's doing voice acting again.
Yeah, but you know, hehad the stroke and it's really been
debilitating. There was a massive strokeand he's coming and everyone's applauding him,
and he's just like so gracious,and he came by me. I'm like,
I'm like, I love you somuch him and He's like, I
love you, baby. Oh mygod. I'm like, I'm dead.

(02:21:09):
I'm dying, you know, mylittle Yeah, my life is not complete.
I can die. Yes, yes, I don't. I definitely do
love him. And then my friendssmoked cigarettes with him later on. I'm
like, you know what, Tim, stop smoking cigarettes. You're not supposed
to be smoking cigarettes anymore. WhoAll right now, Liz do our listener
feedback, Kara, you want totake that first one? Sure? So

(02:21:31):
first up? Alicia Stout said,Oh, man, what an amazing episode
that was. I really liked howthey jumped back and forth between time periods
to tell stories, very clever writing. We got a lot of information like
how and why Joel was arrested.In the demise of Midge and Susie's relationship,
their argument was huge and frankly,I couldn't agree more with Midge.
What Susie did was pretty horrible.It was sad and heartbreaking to watch them

(02:21:56):
fight in the synagogue after everything theyhad been through. I'd have to say
I'm most marvelous moment was the videoof Midge at the roast, basically for
giving Susie for their pass riff rightin front of a huge crowd of her
friends and colleagues. Wow, thewhole thing brought me to tears. It
was beautiful. Okay, I'm amess now tit's up O and rip Harry.

(02:22:16):
All right, Harry, but tit'sup Alicia. Yes, so did
next one? Yeah, go ahead, it's Denise Friedson. I just finished
watching and I'm overwhelmed. So muchinformation to digest, and all in one
evening. I thought it was allso well done. Best moment, which
was actually the worst from my heart, was when Midge summoned Susie to the

(02:22:37):
synagogue. It was the moment wehad all been waiting for, and it
delivered. Hearing that Susie had continuedgambling and still had casino deaths to pay
after Joel bailed her out years priorwas heartbreaking to discover. How could this
friendship ever survive after the truth wasout? Devastating. On a much lighter
note, another noteworthy scene that Iabsolutely loved was Susie doing her thing on

(02:22:58):
the golf course, all thanks toHarry Jake's advice, Holy should, Holy
should Taki. What a kick assfly by the seat of your pants manager.
Seeing Susie negotiate and fib her wayto making deals and paying off caddies
was impressive. It was also sofun to hear Dinah was promoted, and
it had just as tough reputation asSusie. Another Yeah, another scene worth

(02:23:20):
mentioning was when Joel offered himself asa sacrificial lamb to Frank and Nikki.
Watching that scene was like a beautifuland fed up love letter to Midge.
I feel as though he will spendthe rest of his life trying to make
up for what he did to Midgein that pilot episode. It broke my
heart. I think two heartbreaks inone episode was more than I could handle.
I need to process, but Iwill be rewatching this one a few

(02:23:41):
more times. Tits Up fell amazes, so everyone apparently two people now in
a row have had Yeah, thatsynagogue scene was rough, But what Denise
is saying here about Joel, Likethat was my initial instinct, right,
and I think that it's like Ifeel two ways about Joel at the very
same time. It's crazy. Yeah, I'm still there. I'm I'm a

(02:24:03):
gonner like I karas Yep. Iwent exactly where Amy Sherman Palladino wanted me
to go. Crossover. Yeah,yep, yep, yep. Yeah,
it's like for I guess for somereason, I just can't fully go there
because I's Lisa. Lisa's words remained, they echo in my brain and I
wish I could comment so thoroughly onlike I just want to talk back to

(02:24:26):
all of the listeners, but I'mgoing to really try to refrain. Moving
on to some of our Facebook feedback, Mary Cooper said it was amazing a
shot right to the heart. Thankyou and Missy dott I concur I rewatch
for sure. As Susie watched thevideo, her armor seemed to melt away.
Who was she working so hard for? After all, Midge proving she

(02:24:50):
could be successful without her loved howshe immediately asked her Midge's umber walking home
light as a feather? Yes?Gee. Daniel Brown said, what absolutely
amazing episode. So many questions wereanswered? Yes, so which information was
put out? I'm going to haveto watch it a few more times to
make sure I didn't miss anything.Seriously. I like how everyone is going

(02:25:11):
to rewatch this one over and overagain. Yeah. Chris Christine Laybourne said,
Wow, I am still buzzing fromthis episode. It was so well
done, and not a moment waswasted. Very true, Very true,
rod Va Buren. Everything makes sensenow, Stephanie cool. Too bad Midge

(02:25:31):
didn't get married to Philip Roth.See this is what I'm talking about.
That could that could have been theRoth the Masal Garment Company. I should
have got a Roth, should gota Wroth. Oh my goodness. Andrew
Marsh says, it's a great episode. I'm on information overload, so I
will watch again, watch again.Yeah, the Gilmore Girls alumni are adding

(02:25:52):
up, Yes they are. Weused to do a tally carraget on that.
Yeah, I will do that.I like idea. Ye, go
ahead. Steve J. Rogers says, good to see a duck Beatley arranged
to get her in front of aGordon Ford Show camera. To be honest,
though not trying to think of thefirst time non headline, I not

(02:26:13):
in the show's main credit Staffer's gotto be on the comedy or variety shows.
I don't think any of that iconicyour show of shows writers from ever
got on screen. Were any earlyMighty Carson art players part of the Johnny
part of Johnny's writing crew. Ido remember seeing a clip of the Smothers
Brothers sketch with a young Steve Martinin it, and he was in their
writer's room back then. So maybethat rule, as silly as it sounds,

(02:26:37):
was an actual industry thing back inthe day. I am sure it
was, because I was surprised tohear that it was all because of Georgia's
superstition, because there's a lot ofkarat. You brought up all the practical
ways that this actually Oh yeah,that would have justified it a little bit.
Yeah, it would have to bethat way, right, Yeah,
good point, good point. Lendress Casey said it was so much well,

(02:27:03):
said Sherry Salzman. Stoppler said,extra special episode. Yes, and
then Jane Letcher said, I criedwhen Susie pretended to be Ruth, so
Harry Drake didn't have to die withoutfamily. Also, Marge reminds me of
missus Mauskowitz. We need both ofthem, we need more. Oh,
that would make a great team.I want to see them as friends.

(02:27:26):
Yes. Jody Truscott just watched thisepisode. Was absolutely amazing. I think
it's going to be up there withmy top three. Yes, and Mark
Fredo echoes that with one of mytop five. Loved it. Agreed,
and Tammy Scott said, loved thisepisode. Susie is my favorite character.
My two favorite scenes Joel with Frankand NICKI and of course the video of

(02:27:48):
mid RECORDI for Susie and Susie's reaction. Yeah. Wow. Just give all
the words to Alex Borse now,she's incredible. Loving your podcast. Yes,
give her the awards, Thank you, Tammy. Yes, Debia come
out. My favorite episode yet ofthis season. Yes, my favorite two
as well of the season. Thisis like we're all saying, where can

(02:28:09):
it? How can it get better? It can, though, that's the
scary thing. Yeah, I betit can. So excited. Wait,
i'man Carmo said it was unclear howlong Joel was held. Wouldn't it be
easier for Midge to terminate the contractwith Susie. It looks like that's what
happened. I'm assuming that he's referencingin order to, you know, instead

(02:28:35):
of Joel going and giving himself upto the mob to clear Midge, to
make sure she's not having to giveup, you know, her portion of
the money, for Midge to justend her contract with Susie as an agent
and one, Yeah, I don'tthink there's a formal contract. But I
can see what you mean. Wouldn'tit just be wouldn't it just be easier

(02:28:56):
for Susie and mid like Midge tocut ties? But I think that would
be a much less interesting route forthe show. Midge doesn't do anything for
herself, like she's kind of debate, like mommy and Daddy are doing things
for me. Like when it comesto Midge's career, she has no she's
a performer. She needs Susie's showbiz instincts and sadly she needs Joe's like

(02:29:22):
rescue eeness. I don't know well, and I think Joel was held just
to note, I think he wasprobably in prison what from he got arrested
in nineteen eighty five, Midge visitedhim in nineteen eighty seven, and then
at the roast they in nineteen ninetythey referenced him just being released, So
it was probably five years. Sinceit was, you know, a white

(02:29:43):
collar federal crime. He probably eithergot paroled or didn't have a huge glaring
sentence. True. True, So, MICHAELA. Moore says, older Susie
was so spot on to who shehad been in earlier years, the right
amount of hearted, jaded but stillwith a sense of humor. I love

(02:30:03):
seeing that and a pop song forher sister, classic Susie strategy. It
was hilarious. I also love howshe is the only woman executive in the
crowd of men at the lectern andshe still dominates him. Love that her
secretary was a mini me and thatSusie built her up and gave her a
chance. The episode was so incrediblydone, well done, so incredibly on
point. For the characters. Idid miss Rosen Abe, they're so narcissis

(02:30:26):
narcissistic, she says, I didn'tI didn't miss I didn't miss them,
thank you. And they are sonarcissistic. But it's a bit triggering for
her. You know what, MICHAELA, I could see that, and I
apologize. I butchered your last sentence. No, that's interesting take on Abe
and Rose. It's it's funny becauseI just go right to like love with
these two so so hard. Butbut they really are in real life,

(02:30:50):
that's the thing. In real life, I would hate them. But yeah,
they're a delight on TV. That'sthat's the word. They're delightful.
That's delightful. It's just my kindof humor. That's just my kind of
humor. But yes, MICHAELA,I hear you. Steve J. Rogers
says, I like the Masals.It was better for the Weissman's not to

(02:31:11):
be in a B or C storylinespotlight in this type of episode. True.
I'd imagine Tony Shaloub and Marin Hinkleare contractually obligated to be in every
episode, so that's probably why theyhad that cameo. Good point. I
was thinking that too, But inan episode like that, it's clear why
they were shoehorned into that one scene. And I didn't think it was too
shoehorny, but it was. Itwas like a light, comedic little Yeah,

(02:31:37):
it was an oligatory. It wasan obligatory, delightful moments, delightful
I'm showing up, yeah, followed, but loudly obligatory. Okay um.
Sandy Tarasca says, the video atthe end actually made me cry. Yeah,
we definitely fill you there. Sandyand Brittany and Hardy said, I

(02:31:58):
love that Midge admitted she was stillin love with Joel and there's a big
heart. Britney loved it. AndreaMason said, I love that Midge repaired
the rift between her and Susie.Well, that remains to be seen,
but I'm hoping so. Monica kauzYaka Johnson adds on to Andrea Mason's comment
and says, and Susie reciprocated soquickly in return, she was immediately like

(02:32:24):
so happy. That's what got mesobbing and giddy. I was like,
go get yes, yes, yes, yes, get the nokakata. Yeah
he go, Suzie. And Iwas like, don't get hit by a
car, right a love anthem rightthere? Die no dying? Oh no,
no, don't die. Pam okay, Pamela Decker, Oh is it
me? No, it's Erica.It's okay, dude, all right,

(02:32:46):
Pamela Decker. Last loved it.Love learning more about Susie, Why Joel's
in jail, cem Milo Groan,Ethan and esther, just all of it.
It was worth the weight. Yes, Kristin Colbert, I missed grow
own esther. Guess she was inthe synagogue. I did not see her,
So I do not think so.Michelina cat Meyer, I hope I

(02:33:09):
said that right, said an amazingepisode. At first, I wasn't thrilled
that we weren't seeing the normal cast. I had that reaction too, but
as the episode went on, Ifelt it was a great way to tie
up Loosens and the ending was amazing. I teared up so looking forward to
the last three episodes, and JuliaMiles said she will always love Joel.
That's just set dispute everything or Susiedespite everything. I'm glad Susie and Mitch

(02:33:33):
made up. They're special to havea fallout, so I, yeah,
I do agree with you. Iam happy that it looks like they're on
that way. Yeah, hopefully.Trish Pierce Guarderi Lucan Bravo for four names.
My favorite part was Susie walking awayat the end, the smile on
her face and the realization that sheand Midge will make up. You could
see her shoulders lift even I breatheda sigh of relief heart emoji. Beverly

(02:34:00):
Carger said, I loved Susie makingthree deals on the golf course. We
don't know, grown, yeah,we don't know what she said to green
light the French connection, but creatinga sitcom and getting the album for Jesus
Christ Superstar hilarious, brilliant. Iwasn't surprised by the cause of the rift
between Midge and Susie. The scenein the synagogue was stunning, both the

(02:34:22):
arrest and the confrontation. Carol MBlaylock says, I loved titsup. It
brought it all back to the beginningof their partnership. It did. Yes,
Meredith Anne Thompson, great episode.Yes. Lenia Preston says, oh,
I love this episode and the endingmade me cry with a crying emoji.

(02:34:46):
And Linda Fusco love this yess SharonLinda, I think Alex Sporstein's character
when viewing Midge's video, I don'tknow. I think it's a bit of
a typo. She likes it.Alex Sorstein's character when viewing Midges video,
Susie is very hard edged and tough. Seeing Susie gradually become more emotional and
well up during this video was astellar performance. Yes, I could really

(02:35:09):
feel the love between these two womendespite the years of estrangement. Miss Borstein
deserves an Emmy. Yes, yesshe does. And Morgan Krewitz said she
kept calling it a woman's and interviewsand that for sure is what it is.
I agree, so yes. AndBonnie Zerbinick says, call me crazy.

(02:35:30):
This felt like the finale, eventhough I know there are three more
episodes and oh, I can't waitto find out what's in them. Yes,
Lisa rio Susie's face when Midge saidold friend. Oh mg, yes,
same, same, same. BarbaraWess loved this one. Had tears
hearing Midge's video and Morgan Crewe itsays after Miriam's tribute when Miriam said tits

(02:35:54):
up and then Susie mumbled, tipsup, that's all it take and then
it just a tear, multiple tearsfor crying. Emoji's Fernando Lucilla Garza in
episode five, when Joel found outabout the mob owning Susie, I figured
that'd be part of Midge and Susie'sfalling out. I just didn't expect Susie
to be so nonchalant about it.She definitely became big in the business,

(02:36:18):
and thanks to the wonderful storytelling,it was easy to understand why and how.
Yes, I think a lot ofpeople have said that how disagreeable Susie
is. A lot of people hadhad many they didn't like, how Susie
was just a straight crazy bitch,and how everyone was like, yeah,
but I don't think it's wrong tosay. I think other listeners commented on

(02:36:39):
this in the emails too. Idon't think it's wrong to say, though,
that if there's one business where youtruly can get away with that,
it is Oh yeah, yeah,absolutely. The more the more eccentric you
are and often not nice, thefarther you get makes sense. I would
be terrible in Joe business. SameLet's see Donna Green says, Susie is

(02:37:01):
not wrong when she says they owneveryone in the business. Harry Drake was
going to have her killed. Sheunderstood that you need that backing to grow
or you won't get anywhere. Midgeand Susie thanking the performance for the trade
show was going to make them evenwas naive. Joel knew at the trade
show they had a part of Susieand Midge great setup for this last episode.

(02:37:24):
So you know, though, Ithink that's what it is. The
naivete that Susie and Midge both haveis what endeared me to the show in
the first place. I remember inseason one the reason that I fell heart
like you know the heart emoji whentwo hearts in your eyes. That was
me staring at the television screen whenmy mama and I decided to click on
Oh the marvelous missus Masil and Amazon. I wonder what that is click and

(02:37:46):
we were both like a screen like, yes, someone did it. Thank
you worlds. You know, it'sa gift this show, and I think
it's a gift for me because Icould see myself in Midge, her just
being so naive and starting out inthis business and trying to just break down
the door. You know. Itwas like everything I as an actor wanted

(02:38:11):
to watch. It was so satisfyingnice. So yeah, that's what that
comment made me think. So,Julie Kaiser says Midge wearing Rosa's necklace in
the video and Susie with Harry dragsgolf carts in her cart, I loved
love that as well, Julie.Kathleen Jacobs. I loved this episode.
Susie's moment with Harry crying face emoji, well Sasso, Oh Will Sasso.

(02:38:37):
I'm like, well, Sasso,what will Sasso? Appearance has me reminiscing
about Mad TV. Yes, yeah, Midge's video to Susie double crying emoji,
Midge mentioning Jackie, I lost it, triple crying emoji, it's exactly
well put, it's exactly my trainof crying as well well. And I
think there was an I don't knowan article somewhere where Alex Seen mentions the

(02:39:00):
fact that you know, her goodfriend Will Sasso happened to be there,
like acting as if he was roastingher made it so much more real and
I think that's totally fantastic. Umto Jean Swiggert, D Boy said,
I am glad that Susie and Midgewill reconcile. Let's hope they actually do.
All right. In our new Instagrampage where at perfectly marvelous follow us

(02:39:28):
so this season I don't want tohearts. It was at perfectly marvelous cast.
Okay, so unlike our email itis just cast, not podcast.
Yes, yeah, well we'll haveit in the show notes, don't you
what? Ray? So our firstcomment is this season has so many ups
and downs, no clean hands forsure. This is what you do from

(02:39:48):
a fellow podcastic, a host ofthe what is from cast? I think
there's I took it as this iswhat you do for love with that heart
emoji both Joel Oh yeah, thereyou go. I was like, all
right, I could see it thingsyou do for love, Yes, but
I want to do that and Imissed some stuff. I posted a separate

(02:40:13):
post on my Instagram for the show, and I forgot to check it last
week. So apologies. Um.These are the two comments from two Terry
Lynn to She says, apologies.I can't tell y'all apart yet someone hit
upon this point and the way weall feel about the fast forwards dot dot
dot. We are all such weall feel such finality with them. And
Midge seems miserable and she has likea worried crying face. I agree.

(02:40:37):
That's exactly why I did not likethe flashbacks flashbowards at first, because I
just didn't like seeing Midge so clearlyunhappy. But I've come around to the
flashboards. I'm all down, I'mall in. Then she also said huge
fan of Mazel and just found yourpodcast. Oh, I think she probably
wrote this first. Sorry, ahuge fan of Mazel and just found your
podcast. Just wanted to give somefeedback for a non musical theater person who

(02:41:00):
loves Mesal. We have a hardtime with it, ah, laugh,
crying face a sprinkle here and there. Think Telethon is fabulous. Our discomfort
is the time and effort it takesaway from the story. Yeah, well
yeah, I could see it.Same thought for same thought for Gilmore Girls.

(02:41:20):
But that's just a different perspective.Going to catch up with your podcast
now, Yes, I agree thatsome people who it's like, it's like
when you're not a music when you'renot when your brain's not geared toward musical
theater, and you put a personlike that in front of a musical theater
thing, it's usually like cringe abit. Yes, it's it's it's like

(02:41:41):
it's I can't just jump into musicaltheater. It can make you uneasy,
you know. Well. And Iwill say that Gilmore Girls stars hollow the
musical, yes, much longer thanthe Garbage one, so I can I
can definitely understand. Oh yeah theywent in with that. It's like a

(02:42:01):
feverite dream. Yeah yeah. Yeah, Like that episode was like someone took
a bog hit before they wrote it. Oh yeah. But I think that
everything that went wrong on the GilmoreGirls, I often just want to say,
they do it here, only better. They've learned some editing, yeah,
like it's clear yeah yeah, andthey listened to their audience. I

(02:42:22):
think they listen to me anyway,Thank you. I was requesting tests.
They gave it tests. Moving onto some of our Reddit feedback, Queen
Justine thirteen said, loved it,very enjoyable. Listen to the whole thing.
Oh she's talking about our podcast.She said, just listen to the
most recent episode. It's really good. One of the hosts does the most

(02:42:43):
amazing impressions of Rose and Zelda.It's almost eerie winking face. I agree,
Queen just thirteen, I think thisis a bit generous. I was
talking back and forth with her.Unreadit a little bit and she Queen Justine,
hearts for you. Thank you,thank you for your appreciation. You
see me now, I think it'sspot on. It's not overly generous,

(02:43:05):
because there are there are sometimes likelast episode, there were certain words that
you said that sounded exactly like MarinEngel, and I was just like,
good job, Jane. But QueenJustine thirteen, I'm curious what you thought
of this week's episode, so finda way to let us know for sure.

(02:43:26):
So we're moving on to our Applepodcast reviews. This is a five
star review. Thank you, SportySpy finally found my marvelous sisters I stumbled
upon this podcast while looking through alooking for a podcast featuring the Mandalorian,
and I'm thrilled to have found mymarvelous Masal sisters. No one I know
watches the show completely shocked by that, and this podcast gives me the outlet

(02:43:46):
I need to explore the show andpick up on things I missed during the
first watch. Love the show,and if they are all three hours,
I will still be there every week. Keep up the great work. Thank
you, Sporty spy. Thank you. Do you promise, sporty spy.
Cuse I think we're on one hour. It's fine, everything's fine, It's

(02:44:09):
fine, it's fine. There's crazyher No. I really appreciate you saying
that you don't mind the length.Please let us know listeners always if you
mind the length, if you mindour extraneous little shenanigans, and you want
me to cut them out, thenI will. I'm just trying to please
everybody here. And you do havea fast forward button, like, I'm
not not yelling at you to useit or anything. Please do it fast

(02:44:30):
forward me. But you know,if it's getting a bit long, just
you know, zip zip zip.I've done it. We've all done it.
Oh yeah, sometimes you got NICsto me and you just want to
fucking get through the podcast. Butyou know, if there's someone who likes
a long podcast as I do,we are here to serve you. Okay.
And then we have another five starreview from a geek mommy and absolutely

(02:44:52):
marvelous podcast. I love this podcast. The hosts are lovely and full of
insight. They genuinely seem to loveand adore the show. Keep up the
good work. I feel that thecritique of it being too long is unfair.
If it's too long, don't listen. They are able to discuss and
analyze the show, as well asfeedback and interesting topics surrounding the show.

(02:45:13):
It is allowed to be longer.I hope that the creatives behind the show
don't see that comment as indicative ofmost of the listeners. That commenter certainly
doesn't speak for me, and thankyou so much, a geek mummy.
This person is referring to our nextcomment. Yes, our next review that
was left is from Tragle and itis a two star review says way too

(02:45:35):
long. I agree with the previousreviewer that this podcast is entirely too long
and needs to be edited. Thereis no reason the podcast should be three
times longer than the actual episode.After an hour, I was done and
couldn't listen any longer. Ladies,this is why you have such a low
number of listeners, I will say, I'll contraire tregle. I think,

(02:45:58):
thankfully, we have noticed that ourlistenership has really grown since we first started,
and we are so happy that thereare so many of you that are
just as excited about the show aswe are. And honestly, sometimes I'm
just surprised that we haven't gone onfor four or five hours talking about all
the brilliant things about this show.So respectfully, I am perfectly fine if

(02:46:26):
you do not want to listen tous, if you are if we are
not your jam. But yeah,I'm glad that other people don't agree.
I have to enter. Yeah,it just it clarifies we have so much
more to offer, and that's whywe go so long. Yeah. We
like to do a thorough job,and we want to get in your feedback.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. The listener feedback is my favorite
part, because that's the whole pointof a freaking podcast. An audience engage

(02:46:52):
with them, you know well,and you get such a different perspective,
like you get to hear what somany other people think, and it's I
love it. Yeah, truly,truly. I don't take it lightly.
The fact that I have an audienceof any kind that is willing to listen
to me talk, that's pretty incrediblewhen you think about it. I never
thought I would be able to saythat. So I like to just make

(02:47:13):
sure that I'm letting you, guyslisteners also have a voice, because you're
a huge part of this show.The only reason I do the show is
for other people to listen to it, you know. So yeah, thank
you, Thanks Schregel. So finallya nice long podcast for the show.
This is another five star review.It's either one way or the other.
Yeah, so Andy Reavers says,I don't understand why people don't like long

(02:47:37):
podcasts. You're listening to a podcast, it's not YouTube. I'm writing this
review out of sheer spite because whenI heard you guys talk about the negative
reviews, it just made me mad. It made me so irritated. The
people who gave me a reviews weren'tnecessarily critiquing you, but we're definitely just
hating on the show. It's likethey blamed the host of the show for

(02:47:58):
something they had no control over.I thought the way I thought the way
that the Shy Baldwin situation ended wasvery realistic. Everyone thinks that they could
have ended better, but honestly,the whole situation with Shy was never going
to end well. Midge was alsotold by Shi's manager to talk about Shy.
It almost was like she was setup. Midge was just making fun
of Shy. Being a pretty boyin high maintenance in nineteen to sixty,

(02:48:22):
most people wouldn't have thought anything aboutshi sexuality. Baby and Elvis and tab
Hunter were pretty boys too. Noone knew tab was gay, and you
look at the people like Liberaci andpeople just didn't think anything of it.
I feel like Midge gets all theblame because people don't like how the situation
ended. I'm noticing more people arecriticizing the show for not being sixties enough,
and then they don't realize it's onlynineteen sixty one. Of course,

(02:48:46):
only being two years into the decade, most of the stuff you're going to
see is going to be from theprevious decade, the sixties. Most people
are familiar with show, Oh thesixties, people are familiar with, doesn't
really start until like nine sixty three. I'm a guy who's twenty two,
but love the culture of back then. The show is very accurate to the
period. I love how they mixthe fictional characters in with the real historical

(02:49:09):
and pop culture ones. It's likeEaster egg, Candy. I'm wondering if
Midge is going to have some sortof falling out with Gordon Ford, with
Johnnie Carson, day with Joan Rivers. Love the podcast. Hopefully this one
brings your ratings up. Candy leavingus five stars just that alone is amazing,
But taking the time to write areview, especially like a defense like

(02:49:31):
I love the fact that the listenersare coming to my rescue. I feel
like nice, Oh gosh, WhiteWhite Knight, the shit out of me,
do it? I love it?Save me, rescue me. I
can't I have two star ratings.Oh my gosh, all right, hey
guys, there's another one from Saturday. What Yeah, yeah, I just

(02:49:54):
I didn't know that was the oneplace I didn't check. Okay, I
checked earlier. I swear it takesthem forever to actually like yeah, okay,
and it's another five star rating.Yeah, our stars go down right.
Yeah, So this is another fivestar rating. Loving this podcast.
This podcast is fantastic. My nineteenyear old son turned me turned me onto

(02:50:16):
it a week or two ago,and I am hooked. I love the
freedom they have to discuss all thedetails and then all the tangents they go
into are so much fun as well. This is a rare treat of a
podcast where you feel like I'm havinga girl chat with my besties about one
of our favorite shows. Pure Delighteither stop. That was the reason why
we do guys. We just likeliterally word for word, Ivan, you

(02:50:39):
like said it exactly what I wastexting Erica and Kara the other day,
that just having a girl chat withthree chicks you just want to hang out
with, Like that was that.That's why my vision, that's the vibe,
this is why we do this,Ivan, and it's delight. Delight
is the word of the night.It's just it's a sign obviously, all

(02:51:01):
right, So yes, please leaveus a rating in review, please,
and thank you. It's like youget so much of my love just automatically,
so nice, easy, I'm easylike that cares a cheap date and
so am I by your review.Okay, we got some emails. First
is from Don Tudor. I'm lovingyour podcast. My friends don't watch the
show, so I don't have anyoneto gush with and share my thoughts.

(02:51:24):
My friends didn't watch Gilmore Girls either, which is worse. L Yes,
that's gonna be hard. There aretwo moments I need to know if you
saw and if you thought the samething. Both took place at the end
of the episode. During the coffeeshop scene with Midge and Gordon. One,
Midge says she doesn't want to bea Gordon girl. The alliteration is
just like the final episode A Yearin the Life. Laura La tells Rory

(02:51:46):
that the title of her book shouldbe Gilmore Girls. Okay, and then
two Midge and Gordon are dancing.It's a coffee shop like Luke's. But
oh yeah, but that's yeah man, coffee shops Lukes, this one the
city Boon, that's her place.That's so true. Yeah, okay,
but sorry, she says Mitge andGordon are dancing. It's a coffee shop

(02:52:09):
like Luke's, but it's the camerapulling back in a way and we see
him within the frame of the window, which is again just like the final
episode of A Year in the Life. Yes, now that I've gotten that
off my chest. Yeah, nowthat I've gotten that off my chest,
I feel so much better now knowingthat I am writing to folks who watch
both and who see the comparisons.Thank you so much for your podcast.
You are my surrogate friends to itas as you are my friend gushing over

(02:52:33):
the same scenes and script references.It makes me feel good when you reference
things that I saw too. Keepup the great work, five stars.
Don. Thank you, Don.I'm so glad that you feel seen.
It's nice to feel seen, isn'tit just to be agreed with? It's
like it's very gratifying. Yeah,and I love that you pointed out that

(02:52:54):
one it was a coffee shop likeLukes, but the camera pulling away and
seeing them within the frame of thewindow. I feel like that is such
a Palladino thing to do and ideallyrealize it until I heard you say it,
So that is something before. Yeah, Like now I'm just like immediately
flashing back to all of these differentscenes. And oh, I love that.

(02:53:18):
Please share more? Would Our nextemail is from Andreyevitch. I'm gonna
go with that. Please tell meif I'm wrong, Joseph Marshall, Hello,
perfectly marvelous. First of all,I would listen to any podcast series
that you all decide to do next, but only Murders in the Building is
one of my favorite shows and thisnext season looks amazing. That's at least

(02:53:41):
two votes for Murders in the Building. Seriously, vote, We'll put up
a post. Let's put up anInstagram post about this, and oh yeah,
we need we do need more Instagramfollowers though, first to get a
poll going. So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well we'll talk about that.
The next or the last episode ofseason two was my favorite they had
so far, so I can't waitto see what happens next. I agree

(02:54:03):
that episode was fantastic. Anyways,I wanted to talk about the ending of
episode five, when Midge takes Gordonto the diner that she and Joel used
to go to. I know thatyou were comparing Gordon to Lenny, but
the way I saw it, thePalladinos were more saying that Gordon was more
like the old Joel instead. Iagree with that. Actually, he's constantly

(02:54:24):
trying to plan out her life forher and has Joel's cocky arrogance, being
unable to admit when he's wrong,all features that Joel used to have just
a thought to chew on, butit makes for me a nice frame to
view him from, and why Idon't want him and Midge to ever have
any kind of romantic relationship. Also, Midge's hair on the boat was definitely

(02:54:48):
due to her getting self conscious aboutthe hairspray after talking to Joel. That's
funny, wow, use any therewas no hairsprayl head head, You're fantastic.
I love that And Drevich, Itry not to read these beforehand,
and I hadn't read that one.I just delighted me though. It's spot

(02:55:11):
on. And also that is sofreaking nuanced and layered. I love that
they included that, and that youcaught them Probably not wrong, he's just
the only one who caught it.Oh yeah, bravo. He goes yes,
gold start for you. Yeah.He goes on to say, love
the research and note taking you guysdo. I started listening because of the

(02:55:33):
poker Face podcast, which I highlyrecommend to anyone who is enjoying this one
show. I was like, youhaven't watched it? Watch it. It's
pretty fantastic. I am all forlong form podcasting and we'll miss the tangents
and fun asides if you decide toshorten the episodes in the future. Also,
I want to shout out my mom, who I've watched the show withist

(02:55:54):
since it came out and have justrecently gotten into this podcast. She's always
willing to laugh and also analyze withme, and I love the time we
spend together listening to the show andnow this podcast. Andre. Oh wait,
Andre Murph, Yeah, Andrea,Andrea for short listen Andre and your

(02:56:15):
mom. I love you both.Major shout outs to both of you.
Yes, yes, I love thathe and his mom listen to the show.
That is fantastic, he said.Ps I am absolutely obsessed with the
episodes, using the song from Cabaretas intro music. I downright screamed in
my car when I listened to thefirst episode. Yes, it's like extra

(02:56:37):
perfect after this episode and Joy,I know, I know, fantastic,
but I just thank you so much. Andre. That was so sweet and
I'm so glad that you have gottenyour mom into this and this is something
that you guys can enjoy together.Thank you, Okay. Richard Politic politic.

(02:57:01):
First, your podcast is wonderful.Second, your info about the Tennessee
Ernie Ford Show in your first podcastis a bit misleading. The show was
in no way comparable to the GordonFord Show. Tennessee. Ernie was a
mild and mediocre singer of country tuneswho hosted sixty minutes of mild and mediocre
variety programming. Comparing his show toa late night urbane talk show is like

(02:57:24):
comparing the Dick Cabot Show to Heehaw. Actually, Gordon Ford is really reminiscent
of Johnny Carson. Third, yourpodcast is wonderful. Thank you, Richard,
and you are absolutely right. Ijust wanted to take this a little
moment to point out that I didthat research, you know, quite on
the haste, and as soon asI got this email, I was like,

(02:57:48):
yeah, I did gloss over thata bit. There was one article
that I will link that I wasreferencing talking about the Tennessee Ernie the connection,
and I didn't really talk too muchabout Johnny Carson because Amy Sherman Palladino
has said explicitly that this show ismeant to be fictional, fictional, not
based on anything, kind of likethe Midge character she's saying was mostly based

(02:58:11):
on her father, but not JoanRivers or another famous person. But I
think that he's absolutely right because there'sanother article which I will also link,
talking about is Gordon Ford a realperson? All about the marvelous missus Masel
show host in his real life inspiration? And literally the huge heading is he's

(02:58:31):
probably based on Johnny Carson. Soyou who are not alone in seeing this
connection. And yes, I havenever seen an episode of Tennessee Ernie and
I looked a little clicked for twoseconds on Oops, I clicked for two
seconds on YouTube, And you're absolutelyright. Comparing this show to that.
Comparing the Gordon Ford Show to thatshow is like comparing heehaw to what did

(02:58:54):
he say show? The Dick CavatShow. Yeah, it's not comparable.
And Richard, thank you for thecompliment Sandwich. I see it, yeah,
and I appreciate it. Thank you. So then I had I found
an interesting fact, just a randominteresting fact. On Reddit. Someone said

(02:59:16):
that The Girl most Likely Too isa film, a nineteen seventy three film
by Joan Rivers. He said,where the lead character's name is Miriam.
There's also a twenty twelve film witha near identical title that is unrelated to
the nineteen seventy three film. Thisone has a lead character named Imagine and
her mother's name is Zelda or coincidence. Here we go, Oh, I

(02:59:39):
know that was too interesting not toshare. It was written by Joan Rivers.
It was starred Stockard Channing as ohmy, gosh, oh my,
we need to watch it. Yeah, I want to watch this now,
but I'm looking to see if there'sanybody name Imagine. I don't see any
imaging though. No, no,no, that was a twenty twelve Well,

(03:00:00):
anyway, I just found that.I just found that terribly, terribly
interesting. Okay, and now let'sget on to some news. First up,
we have an article from ew dotcom titled The Marvelous Missus Masel star
Michael Zegan talks Joel's sacrifice and evolution. It starts off with Amy Sherman Palladino
mentioning that this was Joel's character.This character arc was her goal from the

(03:00:26):
start. She said it was apersonal pet peeve of mine that these shows
would start with people as a coupleand then suddenly the guy was just an
a hole. She tells ew Iwanted people to know there was a Joel
that Midge was so in love withand made her so happy to do that.
Joel had to be a real person, and he had to have good

(03:00:46):
sides and bad sides. He wasa guy who was young and he fucked
up, and the rest of hislife was a decision to try and fix
what he broke. That is atragic hero, and I think that echoes
a lot of the feedback that wegot for sure about Joel. He is
spending the rest of his life tryingto make up for how badly he fucked

(03:01:07):
up with Penny Pan My Lisa rightnow is vomiting and like to make it
stop. There are two totally differentways to look at this. It's true,
and the article goes on to sayif anyone was grateful for that arc,
it was Zegan who spent six yearsplaying Joel, sometimes to harassment from

(03:01:30):
viewers. Zegan said, other thanMidge, he's the one who has evolved
the most. It's almost like he'sa different person. He's learned a lot
and he's matured. He was youngand acting like a baby. He was
the villain. I agree, andI encourage you guys to click on this
article in the show notes because there'sa really good and interesting interview with Ew

(03:01:56):
and Michael Zegan and he talks aboutMidge and his love for her and the
decision he makes, and it's it'san interesting read. Whenever I hear Michael
Zeagan talk about his choices when heis how he dealt with acting, Joel,
I always give him more slack.And that's why I kind of avoided
his interviews the last or the firstcouple of seasons. I like didn't want

(03:02:18):
to like him. I'm like,no, just don't shut up, Just
don't. I'm not going to doit. Not gonna like you, you
asked, ass wife. But no, this season it's so strange, but
I feel like he has definitely gotthe greatest arc. That's true. He's
changed, changed the most. Andthe only complaint I have is that he's
plateaued and as Lisa said, quiteone note this entire season, he's good

(03:02:41):
looking at my watch here or four, episode five, No six, Jesus
six episodes in. If you're gonnado something interesting, Joel, if you're
gonna jump, now would be thetime. Yeah, let's hope he gets
a little bit more to work with. The next article comes from The Daily
Beast and it's titled Alex Borstein onthat Shock Marvelous Missus Masel episode Love Stories

(03:03:03):
and Cunts. So this is anotherone that I definitely encourage you to read.
The link will be in the shownote and it's long and covers so
many things about this season, butshe talks about episode six in particular and
mentions essentially that, you know,kind of what we talked about earlier,

(03:03:24):
that calling Susie small and kind ofstabbing her where it hurts with not being
seen and feeling and significant was essentiallythe most hurtful thing Midge could have said
in that moment, and it's veryinteresting to hear bor Scenes take on that.
Right on. I am very excitedthat this article exists. I can't
wait to read it really quick.Did we have a voicemail? Oh shit,

(03:03:50):
Erica? Okay, well I didit. I did it again.
Stop the press. We have avoice message from Melody Brown, my new
favorite listener. Thank you Melanie Brown. Yeah right, I gotta have a
Lisa um. Okay. Melanie sentanother voice message. She's so brave.
Okay, she said, sorry,this is so late. You are not
too late, girl, You're justin time. Here she goes, Hi,

(03:04:13):
it's Melanie in UM calling sendy anda feedback for um the marvelous missus
masal episode of Oh My Gosh episodesix, Right, Um and I roast
a test. I don't remember whatthe title was, but it was the

(03:04:37):
roast of Susie at the Friar Cluband it was so good. Um.
It was you know, as aGilmore fan and just a fan of Amy
and Dan's work in general. UM, it was great to see you know,
um shun gun come back. Andyou know, I forget the kind

(03:05:01):
of plays Doyle as well. UM, Danny Strong. She means, you
know, Danny Strong, that's hisname. I know he's in lots of
things, UM and rights, he'schoke runners, So it was awesome to
see him back. And I justI love, love, loved everything about

(03:05:26):
UM this episode. It was funny. It was a great way to show
all the different things that that happened. You know that we have heard passing
up but we hadn't seen directly.UM and I you know the last um,

(03:05:52):
you know the video that mentioning andmade me cry so much. UM,
I don't know, I hope I'mwrong here, but I'm just getting
it kind of fore voting feeling likeis someone going to die? I don't
even want to go there. Idon't want Midge or Susie at least on
screen, to die. I don'twant Joel to die. I don't want

(03:06:13):
anyone to die, um except youknow, obviously the characters that we already
know. So I just I'm notready for that. So UM, hopefully
that for voting feeling of just youknow, woman walking alone at night,
um or you know, it's justit's just in my head. And it
is also no, I you know, I was I the only want to

(03:06:39):
have that feeling. No, we'renot at all, Melanie. Listen to
the podcast, Melanie, I see. Oh Um. I wouldn't mention because
I actually full disclosure, very aprofitopinion. I like Jewel from You're Not

(03:07:00):
Alone the get go like they were. I mean, obviously I didn't like
that he cheated on his wife,and I didn't like Joel at the beginning,
but he's kind of like like thisweird mix of like you know,
Logan and Christopher and this like LukeBottle Bottle. I don't know how else

(03:07:24):
to describe it. I just kindof love him and I can't. I
can't get past that. So whenshe said that I think I'm still a
love with Jewel, It's like,of course, you're still a love with
Jewel, Like we know this,and I do wonder if you know it's

(03:07:45):
going to end with um. Ihad this thought I was telling my husband
about it that I thought something cuteat the end would be, um,
you know them as older people walkinginto a courthouse. Our ends just saying
hey, you think the third time'sa charm? And we get this illusion

(03:08:09):
that you know, they might havegotten married. Have no thunder onto whether
or not that will actually happened.You know, obviously I don't know anything,
but I just had that cute,wild theory that that would be a
really good way to kind of putthe end is the beginning, saying that
you know, um, Amy lovesshe used in Gilmore Girls, Um,

(03:08:33):
she does love herself a full circle. Thank you for the podcast, and
I hope you guys have a niceday. Melanie. Thanks to you.
Boo. Oh my god, Ilove her so much. She's so cute.
Thank you, UM so well,not thank you though, because you
haven't. We got two votes.For death all of a sudden and okay

(03:08:56):
thing, guys like I if anyof y'all watched Dead to me, it
was just like a big ass redsign flashing like death ahead death. The
show is called Dead to me.Okay, I don't want to spoil anything,
but there's some death in it,and it in the final season.
It is very difficult. I wasin straight you were if you listen to
my podcast, you know I wasin straight denial. Yeah, and it's

(03:09:18):
amazing to me how I felt thesame. I did have the pang,
and how quickly and how effectively Iwas able to push it away and just
go on with my denial and behappy in my ignorance, because that's I'm
very happy to not think of thisdeath death stuff or cancer stuff a current
ticket anyway. Yeah, but thankyou, Melanie. I can take Melanie.

(03:09:41):
Melanie's fabulous. Thank you so much, Melanie. You're not alone girl,
and your Joel love. It's okay, it's nothing to be ashamed of
anymore. We're all love with Joelof the closet now now they're where they
want us to love Joel. Soyeah, it's and it works, and
that's annoying. It really, butuse a Joel lover from way back.

(03:10:01):
She is a genuine Joel lover.I am not a Joel lover from lack.
I hated him until this season.So and then look at where we're
at now, Look at where weare all right. That is all the
feedback, That is all the news, that is all the things, all
of the links and everything. Clickclick away. Sorry we couldn't read more.
Guys, We're trying to keep youa little shorter. But thank you

(03:10:22):
for responding with your feedback. Ohmy goodness, thank you. Keep it
coming please, it makes me sohappy. Absolutely. If you do have
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(03:11:11):
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(03:12:16):
much, By loves and my ladies. I've had a delightful time talking with
you this evening, and thank you, my dear listeners for joining us.
Come back next week when we'll becovering season five, episode seven on the
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