S5E7 "A House Full of Extremely Lame Horses"

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I'm Jade, I'm Kara, I'mErica, and this is Perfectly Marvelous,
a podcast dedicated to the delightful showThe Marvelous Missus Mazel. Today we
are covering season five, Episode seven, A Houseful of extremely Lame Horses,

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Extremely lame lame indeed, written anddirected by Amy Sherman Palladina. Yes,
So first, before we get intoit, I gotta call out some podcastic.
A show is happening right now,because we got a whole ton and
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last night. I was like,they cover new ones and old ones,
and there's almost always something that theypoint out that I never would have noticed,
So that one's a fun listen to. Yeah, I've never seen Tombstone,
but didn't doesn't who covers that one? He was benh Yeah, I

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y'all. Yeah, So so getprepared. Um, we we're certainly excited.
And I don't want to ask youwho yes, I just want to
ask you, my lovely listeners,how would you like us to go about
recapping the first two seasons? Becauseit's got to be done right, I
mean, we've got to have somethingfor those I'm just really looking for a

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reason to like podcast my ass offon that show. Like if people want
it, I'm like, okay,and season one and two right like that,
that's comes. It's a package deal. I think it's necessary. I
think so. And also, OnlyMurders in the Building is the kind of
show like Missus Maizel where whenever theycome out with a new season, I've

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get so excited to go back tothe beginning and I watch the whole thing
over and go right into the thirdseason. So yeah, so listeners,
do you want us to recap thatin one big long episode or would you
like two episodes or more than two. I don't know if I could do
more than two because I don't knowif we have time. I hopefully we'll

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have to see how you know,the next month or two is looking for
us. But yeah, listeners,you're a part of this. This is
like a group effort, and soyour opinion truly does matter so much.
And I love hearing from you,guys. We all love hearing from you,
guys. So let us know aboutour recapping of only murders in the
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you listeners. Me living in NewYork has its perks, that's for sure.
So I think that's all we gottasay before we get into it.
So without further ado, let's startthe show. Baby, tits up,
tits up, tits up? Thatwas me? You like me shaking mine?
Just shimmy. I can't do that. I'll knock stuff over, get

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a concussion. Oh we should allbe so lucky. Good cry this puny
mama less girl in my pocket andwhen living together and having a mama less
time, Sally, I'm afraid itwouldn't work. You are much too all

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right, Jay beat us. Yeah, yeah, I went. I had
to go to bed at seven pmthe night before and then woke up at
three thirty to go do background work. And because of the writer's strike,
we literally sat on the bus forhours trying to get through the picket line
and we couldn't get through, andso they just turned the bus around and
drove us all the way back becausewe had to. They bust us from

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Manhattan to um Jersey and not Jersey, this was upstate New York. And
yeah, but we got paid forthe day, which is a plus.
But the sad thing is if thewriter's strike doesn't end, then then there
will be like no jobs like andalready there's like a shortage. I can
tell yause I get less casting breakdowns, you know, like less stuff to

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apply for. That. It remindsme actually. For so, there are
a couple of the marvelous Missus Maselactors and writers that we follow on Instagram,
and there's been a lot of postsabout the writers strike and a lot
of them showing up and protesting everyday. So I know Austin Bassis,

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who plays Alvin the lead writer hasbeen sharing a lot. Jen Kirkman has
been sharing a lot. Isaac Oliverhas been posting a lot. So if
you guys are at all curious tolook into that, those are Masal related
people to check out for sure.Yeah, yeah, noise. All right,
So before we get into the breakdownof the scenes this week, I

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okay, I have some stuff thatI have to get off my chest from
last week because as soon as wefinished recording, I a million things popped
into my head and I hate whenthat happens when I record on an episode.
And then I of course literally like, yeah, I stopped recording,
you digested and You're like, wait, there's like out of all that prep

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time, all that time taking notes, like these questions couldn't have popped into
I head. Nope, it tookuntil after we podcast did on it.
So I was like, did wegloss over the jewel and Susie stuff?
You know? Like I had questionsabout how much does Midge, like how
much does Midge know about Susie's gamblinghabits, Like the fact that Susie never
messed up with these gambling debts againin fifteen years is kind of unlikely,

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right, And Midge says she hearsthings around town about like Susie is gambling,
and like how much fault should beplaced on Midged for not further investigating
your manager when people talking about hergambling problems. She had her head in
the sand. Like you remember wayback when she gets her first paycheck on

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tour with Shy Baldwin. You seeSusie like try to hand it to her,
is like here you go, andMidge is like, no, no,
I get I get money. Ispend it like you are in charge
of the money. So she didn'ttake any sort of responsibility for overlooking of
it. She signed it over toSusie, and it was kind of like

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I don't want to deal with this, you deal with it, And so
there is you know, obviously Susieabsolutely should not have done what she did,
but there's got to be some sortof fault, if not responsibility of
your own right. Yeah, ittakes That's exactly what I was thinking,

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get a financial advice. It's likecontributory negligence, Yeah, which is a
really obnoxious legal term. And Iapologize, but that's what I think of,
Like she she has some sort ofresponsibility for how this turned out,
and yes it was. And that'sthe other thing, Like, it was,
what the fifties and sixties, whencould women open bank accounts without their

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husband? When can women get creditcards without, you know, their husband's
signature. It wasn't like no seventiesor yeah, yeah, isn't that bizarre.
I used to know this, Andwhen I found out the actual specific
time, I was like, itwas way miner than you think, way
later than you think, guys,it is a way later than you think.

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I'm googling fast. Oh, nineteenseventy four was when the Equal Credit
Opportunity Act passed that women in theUS were granted the right to open a
bank account on their own. Technically, women won the right to open a
bank account in the nineteen sixties,but many banks still refused to let women
do so without a signature from theirhusbands. So that's a whole other you

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know, Claire of the Onion,But yeah, okay. Also, though
I wanted to say, like,Midge is so angry at Susie, and
yet Susie had no control over whathappened to Joel, Like it was Joel's
choice to get involved with the mafia, And I feel like that was completely
We didn't talk about that at all, So I just wanted to call that
one out and be like, Midge, you're not doing great, do better,

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Midge? Right, Yeah, Andalso like I think that what I
would say my prediction or the nextepisode last week, what it would have
been was Susie needs to come freakingclean to Midge and start with the first
time that Joel bailed Susie out financiallyand started managing Midge's money and also his
Midge, does Midge know that forfifteen years Joel has been the one really

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handling her money, like her financialadvice. You know that Joel is really
the guy behind this whole thing.That's the thing that letter didn't look short
that he gave her. Yeah,right, So I would love to know
what exactly was in it. AndI don't know Joel. I could see

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him, obviously, we all havedifferent perspectives and it's influenced by our own
experiences, our reality, whatever.But I could see Joel kind of trying
to, you know, play itup a little bit by talking about how
he did all this for her andthe kids and maybe leaving some crucial things
out. He's not a huge fanof Susie, he has no reason to

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try to, you know, explainaway her part in it. So this
brings me to my next point,of these episodes in this season feel and
I know that I'm not the onlyone who thinks this. I've read it
all over the internet that the seasonfeels like weirdly disjointed because of this jumpy
thing, and maybe when you bingethis season it won't feel that way.

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But like watching it week to week, I just feel like last time we
recorded, after we recorded, Ihad so many questions and I wanted to
carry those questions over into this week'sepisode, and I hoped I would get
some answers. This episode it couldnot had nothing to do with last week,
not a thing like We've got acouple a little tidbits, but I

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will say, like I'll ask y'alltoo. Like my immediate reaction as this
episode was on going while I waswatching it, I was just like,
this is this all we're getting?Like are we not getting anything else?
And when it was finished, Iwas like, well, I enjoyed that,
But maybe if it had been anepisode in the middle of season three
or four, but after the highof last week's episode and how many questions

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were left unanswered and how many thingswere raised. I was just like,
this is this is this third tolast episode of the series, Like I
don't know, I'm sure, butyou're not alone. Yeah if I if
I had this many questions after werecorded about last week's episode, I mean,
last week gave us so so muchso and this week I was just

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shocked at the I'm not complaining,like I still loved this episode, but
it just had nothing to do withall of that stuff that I really wanted
to know more about last week,and that I had all these more questions.
I'm like, oh, when arewe gonna get answers? I'm preparing
myself to not get a lot ofthe answers that actually yeah, yeah,

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I was actually thinking, um,just thinking back if they if somebody was
so creative and wanted to try topiece together the timelines so that way it
was and so to joy because itis very confusing going back and forth.
But yeah, do you have aReddit post that they kind of laid everything
out? There was a plot itwas about like like yeah, it was

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like a timeline of when it happened. But even with this being sandwiched in
it kind of put it back,like right after, Yeah, George got
fired. Yeah, So let's getinto this episode this week, starting with
our most marvelous moment. Kara,isn't that marvelous? Okay, so my

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most marvelous moment. It took mea while to actually land on what I
wanted to pick, but I ama little bit partial to Esther playing piano
flawlessly because I started playing piano whenI was three. So I got super
excited. That's insane. It's it'sso much. It's like one of the

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best stress relief. And Kara mightmean genius. I think I'm seeing it.
I will take it. But thelook on Abe's face as he processed
that it was Esther, I wasjust like, uh, huh, the
girl, Abe, Like, thegirl is the one who's the genius here,

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right, And I like how itwas kind of a little bit of
a you know, callback kind ofrecognized. I can't talk. What am
I trying to recognition? Good Lord, recognization, I like, recognize.
I almost said recognization. We're gonnamake it one. A recognition of Esther

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talking to the therapist back in episodeone about how she could always talk to
Grandpa or Abe. So we're seeingthe beginning of their kind of you know,
special bond. And I thought thatwas sweet and it also like I
appreciated it after Midge just dealt withthis sexist jackass for the most part,

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who doesn't recognize what he can dowith her in the potential because she's just
like what, she's pretty and andthen what So I thought it was nicely
timed with the sexism that she wasdealing with in this episode. So yeah,
that was that was one of myfavorite little parts. Excellent, excellent

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Erica. Uh well, you know, for I guess Kara Dida. She
took my marvelous moment and I don'tthink you could add anything to it.
Oh, I could just say thisis that you know what I loved about
that moment besides the fact that itwas realization that Esther was a genius,
but um, I just loved howuh we were able to get more Abe

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this episode. And I think that'swhat. So if I had ro and
Rose and Rose, do you guysknow, I'm happy about that? I
know? So, I mean,all right, so if there was another
marvelous moment that it had to dowith Abe, it had to be hit
him at the school with his schoolhis snack. It was so duddy and
perfect, but he was precious.It was. It was very delightful and

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adorable and I just enjoyed it.It was. But yeah, I agree
with you completely care about that beingthe most marvelous momentum that it was like
where he thought it was Ethan,Like he's like kid turned on. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's it.I loved that. That. Um
god, Tony shall lives acting wasso spectacular because the way his face changes
when he like comes down the hallwayand he's like, oh, there he

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is, there's my grandson. Hefinally kicked in and he's like kind of
shaking his head like ah, therehe goes boy, and then he turns
around it just like what's what areyou? Like he'd never seen her before
in his life, like he hadnot acknowledged, like he had not even
known like she existed. She true, she truly had consisted. They didn't

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ignore her. Yeah, when theylike forgotten her in the car in the
casco, that's right esther has beenignored and Ethan has been babied. Mm
hmm. That's a very good point. It's because it's because of her forehead
it's Oh my god, you're right. I like remember that in Midge's first

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stand up, she's like, yes, my daughter does look more like Winston
Churchill every day. That that wasa great line. She gets so much
abuse all her life. Oh mygod. Like I'm saying this with a
smile on my face, but trulythis is like not okay, it's like,
oh man, shit goes deep.Yeah it does. And see this
is where these are the things thatI'm saying. The flash forwards do kind

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of enrich the viewing experience, andI'm all on board with the flashboards because
of this reason. It's like morefun to watch knowing where Esther's It is
nice finding little nuggets of information herein the end, I'm sure rewatching it
once we have of all of theepisodes in this season, rewatching it,
you'll you're gonna find even more pepperedthroughout. Yeah, for sure. Okay.

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My marvelous moment is um Joel islike taking the kids and and he
says, you know, he's liketelling um Ethan to like come on,
Ethan, and he says they're likeHe's like say goodbye, and or he
says to Esther say goodbye, andshe goes goodbye, and then Ethan just
walks through the dining room flapping hiswings, squawking like a chicken and Astrid.

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Astrid just puts her head down andstarts to like sob that moment man
got me so oh God. Perfecttiming too, with their conversation at the
table. I'm just like, howare you goings? Keeping the street face
with this one? So that's prettygood. That little boy who plays and

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I'm ashamed that I have not I'mgonna pull up his name, um when
when someone else is talking. Buthe is excellent and so cute. And
the little girl too, They're sothese kids are so great and I hate
to say that, like, ohI like this new little boy this I
like the new Ethan better than theold Ethan. And it's not that at
all, but gets getting more materialand um, he's just really funny and

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he's so cute. They are reallyHe's very happy, he's very happy.
It might be the happiest child wasErica. I thought of you, Oh
my gosh, I thought of youso much during that scene. I'm gonna
I'm gonna be calling you out duringthat scene. Oh my goodness. Shime
in quite a bit and yeah,and now in hindsight, damn, thinking

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about it, I'm like, HI, didn't I here's the names. So
Ethan is played by Colin Keane andEsther is Ireland Carball. I love that
name. I remember she had acool name. Yeah. They're talentable people.
And I gotta say Asteroid in thatmoment too. Just Stine Lupe had
gold this episode. We're gonna getinto it, Okay. I love her.

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I love her so much. She'slike gorgeous. Yeah she did.
I was gonna talk, Okay,I have to talk about that because I
was just like, what is happeningwith Astrid? Like her hair looks fabulous,
her makeup looks fabulous, Like Idon't know she was she looked really
good. I was distracted by that. Yeah, right, so I totally

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was too. I mean I havealways been distracted by Asterroid, but now
that more than just non lesbians aredistracted now, so it's not just I'm
not crazy here, Okay, Yeah, gorgeous people, yeah, Justine Loupe,
um, I love you. So. First moment opens and it's surely
in moisten. The kids watching this, Dick Van Dyke, Mary Tyler Moore,

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yeah, sitcom and it's with SuttonFoster and Hank Azaria, and I
had this really cool, like,oh my god, that was that pullback
cinematography moment where they're they zoom outfrom the shot of the TV to like
in between Moisten Shirley. I justthought that that was so cool, so
and I didn't notice it until mysecond watch. It was so subtle.

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And I must admit, Sutton Fosterand Hank Azario are somehow really perfect in
black and white, like it's kindof m h. I just spoke natural
to see them that way. They'reCOMMUNI Sudden Foster like Mary Tyler Foster or
right or Sudden Foster more of howwould you say, I don't know,

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however you want to spend it.She was second to recognize her. Oh,
I recognize her right away, butI but she just looked so right.
I was just like, wait asecond, m yeah, and so
Moisten Shirley are like so invested inthis TV show and they're like talking back
to the screen and like, oh, Nancy, she's such a handful.
And this reminded me so much ofall my life. I love my grandparents.

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They're my people, like they justI love spending time with them,
and we always watched TV together andwe used to watch like Mystery Murder,
mysteries like Colombo together and um yeah, my favorite activity with both of them
is drinking and talking back to theTV. We we'd love to watch like
The Price Is Right and just likemake make fun of people and like scream
at the TV. It's so fun. So this really, really, I

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know, made me miss After Iwatched this episode, I swear I called
momsy and I'm like, wells,I love you so much. I miss
you. Are you watching missus?Masil? I had the same feelings I
did. It was very nostalgic.Yeah, you know, you don't sit
and watch TV with your your grandparentsanymore if they're not but you know I
always do when I go visit them. But unfortunately they don't live in close
by anymore. But call your grandparentslisteners, do it? I talked,

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I have to talk to my momsevery week. I'm so I we're so
close. I love her so much. Um okay, So they're like obsessed
with Danny Stevens and they're like,what can't he do? He dances and
sings and he visits sick children,the sicker the better. Oh surely,
and uh. The whole time they'recontinually saying like, thank god we didn't

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have a girl. Ignore Grandma,she's rung. That was hilarious. That's
so good, Caroline, Caroline.Aaron was killing it. It's like establishing
the theme of the episode right away. Yeah, oh yeah, and yeah
when Charlie's like, we here dodgeda bullet their boy. So you saying
that he you know that line abouthim taking care of sick children or like

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the sicker the better. So arewe thinking that that's a pretty clear indication
that he is the mirror of DannyThomas. Yeah, yeah, definitely,
Okay, yes, And they weresaying that they can for well, I
saw some there was a lot.Yeah, there was a lot of inspiration
from that. But they were saying, like he was and even if you
look at Dandy Thomas saying Hank Gazari, they're they're very similar in their facial

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features right now, and they're sayingyeah, and then um, they were
saying that Sutton Foster's character was morebased on um, who was it,
Margaret Williams. I guess I didn'twatch Make Room for daddy. But I
know who I know, I knowwho Dandy Thomas is, and I think
what it was is the premise ofthe story was that, um, his
first wife passed away, he gotremarried and she came in and was the

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stepmother for his his daughter. Butum, but yeah, it was more
based off make Room for Daddy.Not even though I agree with you,
she Sutton Foster could do Mary TylerMoore very very well, seriously. Yeah,
but yeah, but the whole Makea Wish Foundation, you know,
I thought of Marlowe Thomas and allthe all the things that Danny Thomas did,

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you know, for sick children,so kind of definitely mirror that.
Yeah, basically my my feelings towardDanny Stevens. I love him, I
love him. Please more of him, less of Gordon Ford. Thank you.
Yeah, I thought about you duringthis episode in all the Gordon parts.
Yep, we'll get to that.Um, I have thoughts me too,

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So yeah, the really we justoverall get some really great child rearing
from the Mazles, And I'm like, yeah, I'm glad they didn't have
a girl too, because yeah,I'm glad they didn't have more than one
child that those two did not fair. Um. Yeah, and Rose and
Midge are trying to figure out wherethe onions smell is coming from in their

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house, and this cracked me uptoo, because I cannot stand the smell
of onions. Like I never cookwith them myself, but I always make
my dad if he's going to likechop onions or whatever, he has to
like throw them away in a separateplastic bag and seal that bag and not
not put the naked onions in thegarbage because it will wreak up the garbage

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and then if you don't take itout. Yeah, that's that's a really
good name for a band, nakedonions a bag. Oh God, not
my band. I hate onions.I don't mind if onions have like been
if food has been marinated in onions, But I just have to take to
get the taste, you know,because I get I get it. I've
churd in my taste buds over theyears, and like I do believe in

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the onion taste enhancing and you know, sauteing, But I can't eat an
onion. You have to pick themaway. Caramelized onions, they eat them,
I'm not They're slimey and gross.But they added I do. I
will like take them and like mushthem around. I will like mush my
food around in those onions. Butthen I have to remove them before I
actually eat whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Listen,

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I'll go on a tangent with youany day. I can't eat onions.
Not that I don't like them.I can't. They don't like me
oh my body, yeah terrible.Yeah, but I feel like they don't
like me either, and probably that'sprobably just because I have never had them.
March Nemesis is at your Cryptonite's funYeah yeah, sure, barlick,
It's okay. That's how I feelabout tomatoes and regular lettuce. Oh I

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love me and tomatoes my favorite.Yes, yes, right, okay,
Erica, we could spice power,Yes, spices power. No onions,
all the tomatoes, all the tomatoes. Okay. Sorry. So Midge Rose
has an amazing outfit, the stripedblouse and that matching hat tilt. I

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know she had awesome necklaces through thiswhole episode, and it's not it was.
It's enamel. And I believe I'msure that it's real enamel, because
in the sixties, the plastic ylook for jewelry. It wasn't plastic.
Enamel is like precious and it shattersvery quickly. I have some bangles that
I got. My friend got themfor me from a vintage clothing store.

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They're like hundreds of dollars to getthis enamel jewelry because it's so expensive to
make, and they don't they don'tmake it anymore m and or like not
you know, mass producing it.And yeah, if you if you just
like so much as like bump yourwrist the wrong way like that, enamel
will just shatter. So I'm surethat what she's wearing is like real vintage,
gorgeous enamel necklaces. But yeah,I was clocking those outfits from Rose

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and Midge this episode, but especiallyRose. Rose was on point in those
outfits, and that stripe one wasmy favorite one. I would wear that
with that hat, that Carmen sanDiego hat. That was fantastic. He
was They was looking hot. Imean, Marin Hinkle is gorgeous, like
she's so sexy, and she lookedhot in that outfit. Sorry, yeah,

(31:18):
that's okay, No, no you'renot. I'm just trying to interject.
But I noticed that all of theiroutfits were using some type of geometric
kind of pattern, either lines allof them if you look at them,
every single outfit, because the clotheswere gorgeous. I don't know if it
was a particular designer, but Ithink that's something I might do for homework
to check it out because it wasvery it was it was very different from

(31:40):
what they've been wearing and they allhave like geometric lines or it was very
clean and definitely going towards that modlook. Possibly. Yeah, I just
love I just love the sixty seven. It was gorgeous. Yeah for fashion.
So okay, back to the scene. So Midge invites Shirley and Moist
to the Gordon Ford Show to seeDanny Stevens and they're like, Miriam,

(32:05):
whoever is getting us the tickets,give us a call, I'm getting you
the tickets. So they'll call.Yes, I'll call, And then she
goes, oh good, We're soexcited, and she like slams the door
on. They just cannot fathom thatMidge is the one getting these tickets,
and like, I've heard people complainabout this that like it's not reality.
Like when someone is saying speak I'mspeaking of English word, I'm speaking English

(32:27):
and why are you not? Howare they not receiving this clear, plain
English coming at them? And I'mlike, no, it's funny, trust
me, it's funny. This isso funny to me. Say. There
are some like Amy Sherman, Palladino, Daniel Palladino bits that I don't think
land well that I get irritated with, one of which we will definitely talk

(32:50):
about later. But oh yeah,with I mean, I don't know if
it's Carolyn Aaron and Kevin Pollock,who I think it's made me forgive it,
but they the way they do itis just so like cheeky and genuine
that it cracks me up. Andlike it's it's a bit that's kind of
been running to the ground, butI love every single minute of it.

(33:14):
Yeah, it's too And I'm aI'm a tough crowd, I'm a picky
audience with stuff like this, youknow, But I'm telling you, it's
like that the fact that they're justso determined to not hear her is just
so funny. I don't know whyit's so funny. Oh god, And
um, yeah, surely was soinsulting to Rose though right in this in

(33:36):
this scene like and She said shewants to throw a party for those sad,
lonely women who will pay her moneyfor a husband. I was like,
surely and no filter. Surely nofilter that's what they call her.
That would be Sureley' is a Instagramname she had. Surely no filter word.
Um, And yeah, Rose wantsto give dance lessons. And I'm

(33:59):
getting we're getting to see that Roseis she really wants to be this kind
of like one stop shop for matchmaking. And we see this in her commercial
where like her her headquarters or herbusiness, you know, is like Doubling
is the salon and a place wheregirls can come and it's like a finishing
school you know. Yeah, yeah, like Roses you know, prep prep

(34:22):
school for girls or whatever, youknow. And um, it's like what
did they call those places? Umnot, it's like not manners school,
a finishing school. Yeah, Iguess that's what it is, called cotillion
where you know, you're being presentedand you have to learn all the proper

(34:45):
dances and what freaking silverware to useand all that crap. Yeah, I'm
having PTSD flashbacks. It's fine.And Rose Rose wasn't from the South,
She's from like West where was itagain, I'm looking up the wickie.
That's what it says. Residence Occupation, Providence, Oklahoma, Oklahoma. I'm

(35:07):
gonna say it. I'm gonna sayit now, like it just popped into
my head. Although she does nothave an Oklahoma accent, no at all.
So I don't know if you wouldhave a cotillion or like a coming
out party in Oklahoma, but Ifeel like they probably did. They have
debutantes and things, right, Yeah, Rose is definitely one of them.
So, so Rose comes out andthis was close to being my most marvelous

(35:30):
moment when Rose comes out for hercommercial in So we're in nineteen seventy three
now flashing forward a little bit,and she comes out in this amazing outfit.
Close your eyes picture love. Doyou see your handsome academic husband,
children a modern apartment with skyline views. Or do you see a successful orthodontist

(35:52):
children and a two story colonial somewheresuburban? Perhaps it's a strapping, young,
high end contract her children in arenovated farmhouse that makes your heart skip
a beat. Whatever love looks liketo you, I can help you find
it here at Rose Weissman's one plusone equals Love Romance Emporium. Oh God,

(36:15):
this moment, guys, I'm sorry, I had to do a whole
bit. You just seated the fanto blow, you know, with your
hair and when the rose petals fallingfrom the ceiling, yash and those and
those those actors in the back withthe faces of the smiles. Okay.
So, so I was on ashoot today on that that bus I was

(36:37):
telling you about for to do somebackground work on a show, boss,
and I recognized one of the actorsin this scene. She's wearing this blue
outfit and her she has black hairand it's really like big hair. And
at the end of the scene she'sum in the right behind Marin Hinkle and

(36:57):
she I saw her. She turnsthe chair around and like whips the thing
off of the little hairdresser like thingoff her neck and she like turns the
chair round really quick, and Iwas like, oh my god, that's
lynn Anne. And I've seen heron We do background work together all the
time, and she's a fabulous lady. And I was so excited to see
her today because we were doing backgroundwork together today and I was like,

(37:19):
what was it like to shoot thatscene? And she said that they spend
hours on her hair. They putin a bunch of fake hair pieces to
get that like seventies volume, andshe's like, checks fake hair, that's
amazing. She goes, I don'tknow why they didn't just have a wig
for me because it would have savedso much time, like and I'm like,
yes, that's a detO. Yeah, yeah. And she said the
outfit was extremely uncomfortable and very thickand like hot, and it was probably

(37:45):
like real vintage seventies. She said, it didn't seem like it was made
for them for the shoot. Thatseemed like a piece that was found,
which I thought was really because itwas a fabulous they had some fabulous outfit
stuff happening in the seventies. Andshe said that what she loved about working
on the show was that the directionwas so clear, and they told her,

(38:08):
Okay, what you're doing is you'regoing to get these people ready for
these women to go meet their husbands. And the whole cast and the whole
everyone on the background was in theateror they had had some kind of dance
training, and I've heard that alot. Love They yeah, that they
only hired like dancers or theater actorsand she said, yeah, because it's

(38:29):
not like working on average background stuffwhere you can just kind of do whatever
and no one gives you direction.And that's how it is all the time
when you do background. You juststand there and you kind of guess.
And because you don't feel like youhave, everyone else is busy, they're
not worried about you. You're justliterally supposed to stand there and be set
dressing. And she said, no, they were like really working with background

(38:50):
actors and they were really trying toget us to really act. And she
said it was actual acting to doon background, which is rare. And
I'm like, no, it itlooked like you were very more animated in
your face. And yeah, butyou can tell how much detail and thought
goes into the blocking essentially for thePalladinos and these scenes, and you know,

(39:13):
having theater actors and actors who areused to it, like all of
the movement is essentially choreography. Justthe way that they move and walk around
each other and move about each otherin a scene is in she said.
She said that it was really encouraged. They really encouraged her to make her
expressions like bigger and to do likemore stage things like instead of background.

(39:36):
Usually the rule of thumb is likesuper subtle, almost nothing, do not
distract. And she said, no, they wanted me to like pull focus
almost because I noticed it a lot. I enjoy looking at the background on
this show. You know, it'slike real actors. You can tell and
they don't feel like it just disappearsinto nothingness in the wallpaper or something,
you know. Yeah, so Ithought that was really cool. That is

(39:58):
that is me? Yeah, soLynn, if you're listening, babe,
your fabulous what perfect timing? Iknow, how crazy is that? I
definitely noticed her and I appreciated her. Right, Yeah for me too.
And she said that there was somuch smoking on set that they're not like
real cigarettes. But but the girlthat she had to stand and do her
hair, she said, oh,sure, I'll smoke, like, yeah,

(40:19):
give me a cigarette, and Lynanewas like, no, I don't
want to, please know, like, even if it's a fake cigarette,
I don't want to do it.And the girl said after like you know,
a couple of hours goes by,they go to lunch, they come
back, and she was like,oh man, I really regret saying that
I would smoke because it's not pleasantand I know I've smoked those kind of
stage cigarettes and they're not fun.So anyway, Yeah, so I was

(40:40):
like, I'm confused about what thiscommercial is. I don't it seemed like
there were so many people kind ofall around and I'm like, who is
there? I mean, I guessit's the seventies, right, But I
was like, they're doing her hair. I'm like, what are they selling
here? This is like so justcuckoo bananas commercial time and like a one

(41:01):
stop shop for dating, right.Yeah, so I kind of figured that
that's what that's what it was with. But I mean, they're like Rose
petals flying all over the place,and look at what Rose is wearing.
She's got like the pink chiffon withlike matching tropical flowers in her hair.
But I loved it. It wasand Midge Midge with her hair and jump

(41:22):
her. It was like this longgean lace up vest I feel like seventies
Midge is my favorite. Seventies everyhares like looked more like Rose's hair in
this Yeah, And I was like, I can appreciate that little detail.
Yeah, even though it also mademe overthink and wonder if I were trying

(41:44):
to tell us more with it,because yeah, I thought it was funny
too. How I don't think RachelBrosnahan was wearing any old age makeup in
this scene, and they covered theycovered it by saying because it's like it
would be so subtle in seventy three, you know, like it would be
just barely anything, just a littlebit of aging, and but they covered
it by saying, um, likeyour face to those traces of my face,

(42:04):
so it's almost the same base.And she goes, that's a weird
way of saying, you've had workdone. And I'm like, oh,
nice, that's why she looks soyoung. She's getting those injections. I
see you. Yeah, And Iwas like, yeah, I was shocked
in this episode and this scene thatMidge was like so helpful and supportive with
Rose's business. It made me reallyhappy because they're usually so separate and neither

(42:27):
you know, gets involved with eachother's business lives, like at all.
They're so much alike, right,and I'll point it out later in other
scenes, but they like never admitthat they really need each other until this,
and with like Miriam's support, youknow, Rose was able to like
finish the commercial and have confidence andI don't know, I loved seeing that,
like they're closer. I was sweet. Yeah, but we're gonna,

(42:50):
okay, now we're going to discussthe scene in seventy three, that other
scene with Susie there, because thereason that they're close is like not a
happy one. And I'm like,yeah, so you got you're so vain
playing in the background, which isperfect because because anytime Midge asks Rose for

(43:10):
help in the sixties, like shewas way too busy, Rose constantly like
making everything about her, Like Roseis very selfish in this episode. It
was not a good look for Rose. Rose is my favorite, so that
was sad for me. Yeah,Like she even like there was one point
where she even asks Zelda like maybeit's the Weisman Firstborn Male Handbook, you
know that she's referring. It's like, why would Zelda refer to that book?

(43:34):
It's because everything's about me. Idon't know. It's like so selfish.
So um so yeah. We findout that the commercial costs three times
what they had budgeted. Yikes.And this guy, Brian, he wants
to have a come to Jesus talkbecause Rose's business is financially draining Midge and

(43:57):
they have. She apparently had severallocations like the one on Madison Avenue didn't
do well, and like, whydo you guys think that is the case?
Like why is Rose's business not doingwell? I mean, it's the
it's the seventies and after the sexualrevolution in the sixties. I feel like
the traditions that Rose is familiar withhave been flipped upside down. So she

(44:19):
is stuck in this matchmaking phase essentiallyabout you know, women obviously want to
find the perfect husband and have children, children, because she's right, children
over and over again, and Ithink it's just a mismatch for the times
and the way she's approaching it,because especially in New York City in nineteen

(44:43):
seventy three, like poor Rose,Yeah, she's a little behind the times.
That's that was my thought too.And then I because when I saw
this scene, I was like,oh, yeah, and now I remember
children, children, children like Rosejust so stuck in the past, and
that has to be the way.And yeah, if there's one place,

(45:05):
if there's anywhere in the world that'sgoing to be more progressive, it's New
York. It did a really goodjob of reminding us how Midge was raised,
and you know Rose an Abe,we get to go into all this
detail about happiness and success, andRose and Abe were one hundred percent the

(45:25):
type of people who valued, youknow, taking the correct steps in society's
eyes and having success in that wayover happiness. Happiness is second society and
appearances and all of that is wayup top. Yeah, a better title
for this episode would be happiness doesn'tmatter. Fuck happiness. Nobody's happy here.

(45:53):
Yeah, a house full of extremelysuicidal people. I mean, not
that suicide is a thing to jokeabout, but you know what I mean.
Like, I mean, it's kindof like the Mazal way of like
no one is happy and that's justlife, kid, you know right?
Yeah, Rose wasn't. She wasn'tdoing great in my eyes, and this
whole thing because she refuses to likerent for whatever reason. I don't know

(46:15):
why that would matter. So Midgebought the building, and Brian suggests that
she sell the building and just likepay her mom a salary herself because she'll
be making more money that way.And I'm like, that is so sad.
That is sad, But Midge isdoing Rose no favors. I just
wish it's like, tell people thetruth, because by lying to Rose and
telling her that the business is doingfine, because you just want to make

(46:37):
her happy in the little time shehas left, Like why not make that
time she has left like honesty time, you know, like real real time.
I don't know, but you knowwhat it is, you know,
who would do something just like that? Fucking Rose? Yeah? Yeah,
So I feel like, yeah,Midge, Midge and Rose are like very
similar. I've always seen it.How many honest conversations do you think Rose

(46:59):
and Midge have had over the years, honest like raw conversations. Well,
I feel like they're both very goodat just shoving everything down and oh yeah,
putting on a happy face right,Oh yeah, to the point where
both of them had their um youknow, when you shake up a bottle
of like fizzy drink and then itjust like you take the lid off.

(47:21):
And that's what happened to Midge whenshe got drunk and she wandered onto that
stage at the gaslight, you know. And that's what happened to Rose when
she started doing her matchmaker thing andthe matchmakers tried to shut her down,
and she's like, noah, wellI won't be sideless, you know,
and and then Midge comes home andremember after she was working at the Wolford,
I think it was in season four, Rose just let her have it

(47:43):
one night, like Rose, Midgecame home and she was really tired.
That was season four, wasn't it. Yeah, she confronted her with the
match book. Yes, think abouthow it Yep, but it was still
it wasn't not that it was anhonors conversation. Was just againd that just
behavior would affect her business. Itwas not. It was not that she

(48:04):
felt it was like she disagreed withher choices. She was just worried about
appearances. And a lot of thisalways has to do with that, is
how she perceived by people. Theonly conversation I could think of that might
have kind of dealt a little bitabout how they are is when they were
right before Zelda's wedding and they werelooking at the pictures, and it just

(48:28):
shows you how closed off Roses.She doesn't share anything with Midge, and
Midge was trying and it just becamevery uncomfortable. And again, the thing,
it's discomfort because I'm sure Rose's motherand her parents were probably the same
exact way, and I feel likethey kind of Showcase. This to us
from the very beginning of the showbecause I, you know, hearing happiness

(48:51):
and references to happy over and overagain in this episode made me think of,
you know, the primary example ofRose and Abe at Midge's wedding and
talking about me just we're very happyand repeating it, Oh my god,
over right. And that was notonly episode season one, episode one.

(49:15):
First scene of episode one, welldone, Kara, But like, obviously
you can read it as they're happyfor their daughter she's getting married, but
no, like they're happy because it'sa good match. She's young and getting
married, like it's the appearance ofeverything. And they freak out when she
makes the joke about the shrimp andthe egg rolls because that affects them as

(49:37):
well. Okay, so now Ihave to I have to defend my Rose
just a little bit. Okay,just a tiny bit, because not this
episode, this episode, I ain'tdefending shit. Man. She was just
fucking awful. I love her beingawful, I love it all, but
you know it was bad, um. But no, in season four though,
when she does like confront Midge aboutthe appearances thing, when she's like,

(49:58):
I found your matches and you're gonnathey're gonna know that you're working in
a whorehouse and blah, you know. I The only thing that I will
say, though, is that Rosewas raised to be quiet, to be
have no personality to you know,no one and her family respects her,
no one. It's all male dominated, and no one even sees her as
like a functioning human who can likebasically wipe her on butt. So I

(50:22):
was proud of Rose when she said, damn it, I'm gonna do this,
don't get in my way, andwhen she finally like showed her honest,
this is how I feel, becauseeveryone's entitled to their feelings, Like
just because you're a little old fashioned, you know, as long as you're
not hurting anybody, it's not wrong. But this episode, she's hurting people.
Midge is letting herself be hurt,you know, granted, but still,

(50:45):
this is just it's not helping anything. It's all bad. It's all
just not good. Susie, you'reno good, Midge, You're no good.
Rose, You're no good. Stopit. It feels very the way
that she like lied to herself whenshe was married to Joel. Her life
was like an illusion with Joel,how she wore like makeup, she wore
makeup to bed and woke up inthe middle that I take it off,

(51:05):
Like, I just wish that Midgewould like apply that to her relationship with
Rose, like how she now ishonest with Joel, she's honest with everybody
else, Like, just be honestwith your mother. I don't know,
And I think she tries sometimes itjust gets shut down, Yeah, instantaneously
if she tries to like wedge herfoot in the door even a little bit,
you mean Rose and shut it down. Yeah, Yeah, that's true.

(51:28):
That she's she's very closed off.Rose has this wall and she always
has. But yeah, and Iam it's it's that. But I must
feel, like, you know,if we're looking at the flash forwards,
Midge is trying to restore things ormake things better for all the people in
her life. If you think aboutit. She called up up to her,

(51:51):
Yeah, she called and I haveto watch it again, the very
first flashboard with esther. What's shecalling her because of something? Was she
trying to restore something a relationship whenshe went to go see Ethan and was
trying to get him to go withher and now and then of course the
last episode which she tried. Shewants to restore that relationship with Susie and

(52:12):
then with her mom. With Rose, she's keeping something from her mom.
I think we all can kind offigure out it's something not good. Remember,
they keep on telling Rose how wonderfulshe looks. It doesn't It doesn't
look positive for Rose. But I'mwondering if it's a kind of trend,
like she's just trying to make upfor lost time or make them happy in

(52:34):
some way. It is interesting withRose too, the way that they're handling
her and talking to her, inthe way that Midge was talking to Susie.
Like my first thought when Midge saidsomething about you know, with the
time that she has left in referencedto Rose, I was like, Oh,
does she have cancer? Like what'sgoing on at Alzheimer's? Or yeah,

(52:58):
she was like dementia Azheimer's because Roseseems great, like she seemed enthusiastic.
And is it just she's putting ona brave face or does Rose not
know the extent of how serious whateverit is that's going on with her?
Is I know? That's what Iwas wondering too. I had the same
question because she doesn't act like she'saware. It's almost like we're just going

(53:22):
to keep her happy. This keepingher happy right now, Like, let's
let her do this thing. Thisis her thing, may keep her happy.
Money is no object, but it'sobviously it is. But yeah,
and we see the money is noobject thing, like Midge is doing this
for her because Midge is able tofinancially. She's you know, in a

(53:43):
financially safe like place. Well kindof, I guess not more, since
Rose's business is like doing so poorly. But we see that flash back not
flashback, we go back to regularIs it the regular present time in the
sixties? I guess that that's ourbaseline. Yes, present day? Yeah,
if I day present day, Imean nineteen sixty one. Yeah,

(54:04):
yeah, so she Yeah, Midgecomes home after getting rejected, and Rose
has no consideration for anyone else.God, I love Rose so much,
but she's just so selfish when she'slike, the bathroom would be finished and
I have to rent a hall withmy own money and nobody cares. I
know you don't care, and youthink it's frivolous, but it only matters
to me, and it was notgood. So now we see like Midge
is, Okay, what's the onething I can do for Mama money?

(54:28):
I can give her business money.I don't know. Well, we have
a lot of theories though, andthe listener feedback for what's going on health
wise with Rose. We're gonna talk. I know we're gonna be We're gonna
talk more about it when we hearwhat our listeners have to say, because
they have some great ideas about whatcould be wrong with Rose. Because I
really don't know what ails Rose atthis point. So let's move it along.

(54:50):
Then to this amazing scene with Zeldaand Yanush. Oh my gosh,
the weaponized incompetent that is running rampantin this episode. This scene, the
scene was so unhinged. Look Ilike a bit every now and then,
Like I get it, it's acampy show and it's not going to be

(55:15):
completely realistic or serious. But thiswhole thing just did not land for me
and kind of irritated me. AndI will say it did kind of takes
from Kara, like there are acouple of themes. My lizard is getting
really amped up now too. She'svery passionate. But tell the listeners her

(55:39):
name, yeah, missus. DarylDixon, missus, Darrell Dixon. She's
she's just nestled on Kara's chest rightnow and it's adorable. Every podcast we
have a lizard joining us. Yes, yeah, what is it? My
emotional support bearded Dragon thanks to thatmovie on Netflix that came out not too
long ago that now I can't rememberthe name, but love it. I

(56:00):
don't know, like I guess.There were a couple of themes that stood
out throughout the episode, and onewe've already kind of touched on with the
idea of happiness and success and whetheryou can have it all essentially or be
both be happy and successful. Butthe other theme that seems to be shining
through is really just this notion ofparenting, and we see it with obviously

(56:25):
the way Midge parents her children.We see Abe and you know, his
grandson Abe and his son in law, and even Zelda essentially parenting the Weisman
clan even after she has left thenest, and you know, we even
have Dan Stevens talking about his parentson the Gordon Ford Joe. Like,

(56:51):
there's just a lot of this parentingtheme throughout, but in this scene,
I went a little nuts, likeI can't appreciate the choreograph chaos when Rose
is you know, trying to figureout how to turn the stove, and
Midge is trying to fix Esther's likeone pigtail, and Abe is desperately trying

(57:14):
to speach ethan p. I didcrack off when Esther was just moving her
head so obnoxiously, like because youcould just tell that this little girl was
told just move your head like crazy, just do not let her fix your
hair, and she's like she committedfor real. I've felt that moment because

(57:35):
I felt that personal experience of dealingwith a young child. Yeah, not
let me put her at pigtails,Like yeah, there are moments everybody shouting
from you know, like different rooms, Like everybody who has any sort of
you know, large family has feltthat. Oh so that part I like,
And I gotta say real quick thisthis was like done that the way

(57:55):
that they were having everyone's shout fromdifferent places, and it was so obnoxious
and just like you people are crazy, you know, like it was just
a madhouse. And the Wonder Wheel, right, I love it. I
love how we share a brain.So this is where I was going.
Um, the Wonder Wheel bit wasan example of this not working for me.
I I know a lot of peopleloved that bit for some reason,

(58:17):
I just didn't find it funny.And that's what I feel. Like what
you're saying, Kara is just likeall of this, like I recognize that
it is comedy, it is funny, but it just didn't work for you.
And yeah, that's that's how Ifelt about the Wonder Who Wheel thing,
Like it's not like I didn't likeit, but it just didn't tickle
me. But this scene, thisscene I liked, See this one landed.
Yeah, that's why this one landed. And I get that, like

(58:40):
and I but I love that itdidn't for you. Tell me more about
it because I'm sure not alone.And you know how we talked out Abe.
Maybe it was when he was havingthe confusion about whether or not a
hand on his thigh and flirtation wasa sexual advance or whatever, where it's
like, did you forget everything thatyou learned in Harris? Like did you

(59:00):
just get amnesia when you came back? And this one, when Rose is
standing there trying to figure out howto turn the stove on and then Zelda
comes in, it's like the pilotlights out and she's like the Pilot lights
out. I was like, thisis the same Rose who moved to Paris
on her own and was basically beingan independent boss bitch in her apartment.

(59:22):
Yeah, just thriving, right,Okay, now she's back and can't figure
out how to turn the stove onthe book. Kakat you're feeling, you're
gotta hold on, hold on.I just gotta interrupt real quick, because
you did make me remember something thatI didn't even acknowledge and write down when
I saw this is that. Yeah, you're right that moment where Rose was
going the pilot lights out. Shesays it's easy to fix, Marium,

(59:45):
It's easy to fix. I waslike, even Marin Hinkle cannot pull this
off. This is bad, right, this is not it like that,
it's not her, that was noton her. Yeah, that was.
I really do agree with the wholeI really miss because season two is just
my favorite Cat Skills in Paris.He was so gold that season. But

(01:00:07):
yes, so it's like I totallyagree with you, um, and I
didn't even think of it until justnow that like, yeah, I really
do miss those that Abe and Rosebecause it's like, fine, okay if
they're not those people but then justdon't give us, don't give me a
glimpse of what I could have andthen take it away. Right, But
I think they get zanier, Likeas the series has gone on, they're

(01:00:31):
getting a little bit more outrageous.And it's fine, but it's royal.
It makes less sense because we sawthem grow and then just go backwards so
hard, and so we forget aboutit, right because for the sake of
the bit, and I feel like, for the sake of a lot,
yeah, and I'm just like,damn it. And obviously, like I'm
sure that there are bits that likethe Moist and Shirley back and forth.

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I thought that was hilarious, andI'm sure there were people sitting at home
being like seriously again, yes,yes, they don't know where she works.
But with this one, like Ifeel like Abe and Rose, especially
when we're at the beginning of theseries, we're kind of this lovely foil
to Moist and Shirley and being ableto compare the two of them and how

(01:01:15):
kind of wild and kookie and quirkyMoist and Shirley were. And then Abe
and Rose were these you know,this Columbia professor and this Verry were fined,
you know couple, And now I'mjust like, well, they are
complete idiots. They are still Jewishand Jews be obnoxious. That is not

(01:01:36):
you, but you know, butit's yeah, you're right, gone are
they? I mean just to Titan, like you know, they're they're they're
amplifying, they're uh their behaviors likein this particular episode, they're making them
much more larger than life, farmore obnoxious, far more like dependent or
codependent of other people. Where you'reright, like we're I was thinking back,

(01:02:00):
you brought me back to Paris.Like Rose was like cooking and like
like you know, she was likeliving like a bohemian like artist and she
knows how to turn on a stove. Yeah, she could kill a Yeah,
she goes, do you want meto kill the cockroach? Like she's
a badass, you know, herlittle dogs. She was no. But
it's like they're questioning, like wedon't have amnesia. We remember that Rose,

(01:02:22):
We remember that the way Abe wasAnd also like there was a touch
of that passion when Abe's friend,oh my god, Jason Alexander ash and
he found out that Asher and Rosehad a relationship, Like you saw that
passion. Yeah, yes, butlike where did it go? It's like
those and when he was with allhis Beatni friends and like going to stage

(01:02:44):
a sit in and being upset thathis criminal charges were dismissed like that,
Abe, it was so much funto watch. And in this one,
like you know, I mentioned weaponizedincompetence earlier, and I will say I
learned this phrase a couple of yearsago on TikTok, and it just it

(01:03:04):
seemed particularly relevant in this episode.Yeah, because I mean I get it,
like Rose and Abe are clearly privileged. They had a privileged upbringing.
They continue to have, you know, wealth and privilege in the present in
the sixties. But the fact thatZelda has to keep coming back because they

(01:03:31):
call her for help was driving mecrazy. And Yanush going through this kind
of litany of things in Polish thatshe's had to help out for. He's
talking like she sits down to fixor bins over to fix your spirit animals.
Yes, he was my mouthpiece.I was just like, yes,

(01:03:53):
you tell her. He was like, you have to stop helping these people.
They didn't know there was a highershelf in the linen closet. They
just couldn't They couldn't look up,They forgot how to stack wood in a
fireplace, a bird flu in,and they could not think to just open
a window and let it out.And I get like, Okay, if

(01:04:14):
it was just that, I waslike, all right, that's kind of
funny. There, help's gone haha. But the fact and I don't know
if this is just me projecting,but the fact that Zelda spent all this
time and made them a books andinstructions and it's in the kitchen and she
keeps mentioning it, and I wasjust like, damn it, guys,

(01:04:35):
like she made this as easy aspossible for you. And both of them
were like, oh, book,where'd that come from? What book is
she talking about? I was like, nope, not doing it for me?
Yeah, yeah, I can't.And this was one of those those
things too that, Yeah, Igot a little tiresome the way that,
like, scene after scene they justkept being like what hook And it's like,
oh my god, you're not Moisten. Surely, like I buy it

(01:04:59):
so far with Moisten. Surely thatmoist can just look at Midge and be
like, you're a comedian? Whatyou're really people pay money to? Let
No, they don't like he exactly. They just cannot believe that Midge is
successful in any way as a comedie. They just won't believe it. It
doesn't matter that there's all the evidencein the world. Nope, they cannot
believe it. And I buy it. But with Rose and Abe, it's

(01:05:20):
like logic. Logic applies here inthe past, it has applied, so
the moist and surely we're branded tous as comedic relief. Essentially with Abe
and Rose, we saw them growand then it's like that was just forgotten
because you know what, we're atthe end of the series and this is
a bit but I just and youknow, of course, that's where we

(01:05:44):
get the title of our episode,with Yanush mentioning to Zelda. You know,
like back in the old country,when a horse is lame, it
is useless, so you shoot it. This is an entire house full of
extremely lame horses. And I waslike, you know what, you are
spot on, except for like Esther. Esther's doing good, but everybody else

(01:06:05):
was just it's kind of frustrating towatch. And with Midge, I can
forgive it a little bit because youknow, she's kind of reverting back to
Yeah, yeah, you know,living with her parents. But that whole
I did, I did think itwas funny. Treated me. The part

(01:06:25):
that I thought was very funny waslike what you're saying about Zelda taking all
this time. Okay, I've gotthese complete and total helpless idiots on my
hands and I'm gonna leave them.So what am I gonna do? How
am I going to help them?I know what I'll do. I'll make
a book filled with every incidental thingthat could possibly happen. Put it right
there with pictures. When she goes, when she goes, no flame and

(01:06:45):
still furtea is, how to fixno flame in still furtea? Very easy,
a picture of a tea cup andeverything. Maybe maybe you'd try for
next time. And she goes,oh please, If I did that,
i'd blow the entire building up.And then Midge says, yes, the
same exact thing. Oh my god, you have to light a match.
If I did that, I'd blowthe entire building up. And it's like,
Nidge, I thought we were pastthis, you know, but she's

(01:07:06):
so like her mother. It's I'mtelling you, the similarities are abundant between
the two of them. Yeah,right, Yeah, And then and that
was one of my favorite exchanges.Are you gonna yeah? And then because
then Zelda says in polish, well, she really might blow the entire building
up, and Yanush is like,then let her. It's like let them

(01:07:28):
die. They're helpless. Yep,it's their own damn fault. It's like
they'd all get a Darwin Award forthe most ridiculous way to diet. I
still stand by that, like Yanushwill turn into the villain and he will
shoot them all, and I stillI'm like, Okay, we would be
a dark turn. Yeah, buttotally on brand for Yannush at this point

(01:07:50):
because he hates these people. WhenMidge goes, oh, it's lucky you're
here to help me unclogged this drain, and he was like, yeah,
so lucky, like being a LEPrecon. I did love. I did love
the fact that Ethan had like hammeredand shoved his into the bathtub drain.

(01:08:11):
I was like, oh, youlittle guy like this, And Midge's whole
conversation with him, like what haveI told you about putting things down drains?
And He's like nothing, which Ibelieve, Yeah, like obviously that
has not come up Like that exchangeand then leading into a Midge not being
able to go to that parents eventat school that I enjoyed, but I
just got super frustrated, I guesson Zelda's behalf totally during that whole exchange,

(01:08:40):
was like, this bit is notdoing it for me. I don't
buy it. It's not consistent withthe character development that we've seen with Abe
and Rose. To me, yeah, I do agree. I do agree
with a lot of that. There'ssome more stuff I have to say about
character inconsistency with Susie Um, butyeah, for and it's like, it's
not that I couldn't buy that Midgewas this incompetent because I can't. I

(01:09:02):
can buy it like they have thisis this is built into Midge's character.
But I was hoping at this pointMidge would be more self sufficient independent.
Yeah, and I had higher expectationsfor some reason. Wait, we took
a few steps back. We reallydid. Yeah, I'm curious if anybody
loved it, if you can writein and kind of explain your perspective,

(01:09:27):
because I'm very curious. And it'sjust strange because it's not that I didn't
love it, but now that you'retalking about it more I'm like, yeah,
Okay, I have to admit therewas like a wriggling something behind my
mind where I'm like, I'm justnot completely buying it, like he's like
a brainworm. Yeah, And Icouldn't like put my finger. I mean
I guess I could. I justdidn't want to. I don't want to

(01:09:48):
like not love this show, youknow, like it's so easy to just
watch and love it, you know, but yeah, no, with this
being the last, this is thirdto the last episode that we're ever going
to get. Listen, that's whatit is. Yeah, I think that's
that was clouding my you know,enjoying or I don't know if that's the

(01:10:09):
right way to say it, butclouding my enjoyment of the show because I
am actively aware as I'm watching itthat this is one of the last three
episodes that we're gonna get, andI was just like, this, this
is what you're giving me, youknow, right now. I was thinking,
perhaps and if it could be alittle bit of fan service just to
give us more Zany Rose Gabe Zelda, kind of giving us that little bit

(01:10:34):
of like what happened in earlier seasons. And I like the overacting of Rose,
like she's like, yeah when shewhen she says I cannot expose unmarried
women to nude floors, it wouldfeel like a brothel. Yeah, I
was like, I loved that momentso much. There was it was very

(01:10:55):
over the topic. I think thatthat's probably what I am, and that's
Rose that work, that's that's ourRose, you know. But yeah,
that was spot on. This wholeWeissman turning into the Mazals thing. It's
like, this is Moisten Shirley's bit, why are you doing it here with
Abe and Rose? Yeah, it'snot that I can it's not that I

(01:11:15):
can't see this happening because Zelda's leavingthem, and so this is, yeah,
the next logical step. They're helpless, but so much helpless another housekeeper.
But they'll never do that because they'renot I'll never go well, no,
because now what they think is nowwhat they think is Zelda will just
work for free. We'll just callher constantly and have her come over.
So she's still our maide, she'sjust not getting paid. And Yan just

(01:11:40):
like, do not pick up thatphone. He's like, you can't pick
up a phone yourself. Rose islike, I suppose I can. Oh,
Yeah. I did enjoy it.Later on when Zelda when you know
they're having what was it breakfast withAstrid and oh yeah yeah, see that
was some great Yeah, that wassome great scene. Yeah, that's everything

(01:12:01):
I love. That's what they're missing. They were missing a meal. It
would have made it better. Yeah, right, well I did. I
do have to say though, thatwhen Rose was just like I just need
some tea, am like Marin Hinkle, just her her screaming that way,
like helpless screaming to any anyone elsewould make that so annoying when she just

(01:12:21):
Abe like the way Marin Hinkle doesit, though it worked for me,
man, I don't know Rose veryrarely doesn't doesn't work for me. But
yeah, when you brought up thatthat moment of um when she was calling
out too it's easy to fix.Yeah, I was like, all of
this inconsistency sacrificed for a bit thatwasn't um worth it. I don't think

(01:12:42):
I think it's we can all concurYeah, unfortunate, but I did enjoy
that. Um. Midge, well, Abe was kind of Abe actually was
doing all right this episode because hechecks on Midge, you know, in
the bathroom at the end, andthat was very nice. But he does
like help out because Midge is runningherself ragged this whole episode, and she's
being kind of almost motherly to everyonein the house, like taking care of

(01:13:05):
everyone the money thing, and sheneeds someone to go to Ethan school.
And Abe steps up and he didit only because he heard there was a
snack in it for him. Someone. What's there? Someone pees their pants.
You're a terrible salesman. Fine,I'll go, but I'm warning you.
The first person who wets their pants, I'm out of there unless it's

(01:13:27):
a really good snack deal. Thatwas funny. Oh another thing I have
to say, this kid who whatwas his name again? Who played Ethan?
I hate myself for not writing downhis colin when he had his little
moment here. This really made melove him. When she said I've told
you about, you know, notputting things down drains. Wasn't there a
thing with a marble? And hegoes, that was up my nose?

(01:13:49):
And Keane, you're the best colin. Keen, Damn mom, he is
really good. And then she said, what about when you cut up a
bunch of playing cards and did somethingweird? All right, so before we
get to ave at the school,though we do get Midge, you know,
hustling her butt off at work inthe writer's room. So she walks

(01:14:10):
in with the blue dress, thebeautiful blue dress, okay, and the
coat, the black and white coatand hat, y'all that hat though,
Like, oh my god, Iliterally have in my notes the amazing black
and white coat and hat. Thathat. Oh my god, Oh my
god, oh my god, ohmy god, that's literally my notes.
Like I wanted that hat so fuckingbad. I have a thing for hats.

(01:14:30):
I think we're gonna they're gonna haveto put all the costumes in a
museum just a week aldgo and droolover them in and that they really should.
That blue dress, though, RachelBrosnahan looks good in every color under
the sun, but that blue dress, like she needs to only wear that
color blue because it is so goodon her. She looks so gorgeous in

(01:14:50):
it. I don't know what thatcolor blue is, but it's my favorite
blue. Whenever I see that colorblue, it like reminds me of Spanish
paintings or like Italy in the summertimeoutside roses and like that blue, you
know, it was gorgeous, happy. Yeah. So Midge comes into the
writer's room. She's stressing about herhouse, she's stressing about her kids and

(01:15:11):
her mother, and she just stopsmidway where she sees the boys are just
staring at her, and she's like, oh, yeah, well how about
the tids on her slanders? Andthen they going back and forth, so
which was hilarious, but it's likeshe just wants to kind of like vent
out. It just released all thestress that she has and just talked to
her co workers who are her friends. But they just don't they don't care,

(01:15:34):
they don't relate, they don't careabout her problems. And again,
poor Midge shut down by the guys. Didn't didn't one of them say,
mel I think it was at onetime. He's like, you got to
make a decision. Are you oneof us or are you a housewife?
Like what is it going to be? You know, like yeah, yeah,
it's more like, hey, youcan't have both. You can't have
it all right. Yeah he saidit like jokingly, but it's so true,

(01:15:56):
like it does speak to the biggerpoint that women who are also caretakers
of other people. It's like youback in that day, you did one
or the other. And so thesewriters are like, how do we talk
to you? Because the only womenwere familiar with is like the secretaries who
are too young, they haven't gottenmarried yet, or they don't have families,
or we have m Gordon's Missus Moscowitz, Marge March, yes, Annie

(01:16:17):
Golden. So it's like you're eitheryeah, like young secretary or you're like
mid Marge or you know missus Moscowitz. So yeah, they don't know how
to deal with like a mom andlike mommy problems and yeah, Midge,
it's so sad. She needs animagine where's imagine to talk to? They
need to hire more women writers.That's that's probably would solve a little bit

(01:16:40):
of the problem, but they're notabout to, right, no, no,
we And then we are introduced toDanny Stevens, who is our the
gentleman who was in that TV showthat we opened with and he is going
to be a guest on the show, and we get to see the just
kind of like where Midge is reallyum really kind of taking over what the

(01:17:04):
writer's room really was like she theythey start talking. He starts to talk
going over his jokes and what hewants to present, and then Midge provides
the idea like, well, whydon't you do what's in your book,
like you're talking about your family,use your family as your inspiration and have
that, and she's kind of shutdown, but it seems that Danny hears

(01:17:24):
something from it and it works outfor her in the end. And then
but there's this part with with Mike. Oh I oh god, that was
that was so cringe. That wasso embarrassing. It was can we just
talk about I love him so muchthat I oh, I love Mike moral
the stress so preciously awkward. Ohyeah, that's my notes. Mike is

(01:17:44):
adorable. I hate Gordon Forde sofunny much. That is literally what my
notes. I I guess, Yeah, I don't understand this Gordon ford bit.
I don't I don't get it.It was saying no, no,
no, It's like it was likethis out like I know the alpha male
is not but like he was tryingto, like know, wave his stuff
around just to show like how abig tough guy he is. He can
knock his producer down a few notchesand make him feel really small and Gordon

(01:18:09):
feel really big. When he keptsaying official new producer official new producer.
I just like, shut the motherfuck. I'm going to smack the shit at
you in a second, kid,I wanted to hell, yeah, okay,
I'm sorry. Now that's okay.It just proves that Gordon is the
dick. He's a dick. Myhant is this I'm like in this episode.
I just don't but I don't understandwhat they're trying to do with his

(01:18:31):
character, y'all, Like, isGordon? I don't think it's consistent in
his reaction and treatment of Mike.I was just like, that doesn't make
sense. Like he and Mike werejoking about like Midge being a pirate and
like thinking he was hilarious, andnow like I just I don't know,
Okay, it seems it seemed tome like what Gordon was trying to do

(01:18:53):
was help Mike out by seeing,Okay, he's nervous, so I'm gonna
like have him on a little bitand like get his goat and you know,
like make fun of him and likejust just joshing, you know.
But it didn't that that was clearlythe that was clearly the intention behind him,
because I don't think that that GordonFord is doing this to be malicious
to Mike. I don't think thatthat's it at all, because of the

(01:19:14):
way that Mike was just like,okay, guys, all right, I
don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's funny.
It's funny. And so Gordon insteadof like letting him bomb, Gordon's like,
I'm going to make a thing ofI'm going to comment on how nervous
he is and then get it allout in the open. And that's a
lovely thing to That's a lovely sentiment, right, But in practice, I
fucking hate him. I hate it. I'm like Gordon's stuff, the way

(01:19:38):
he acts like an obnoxious child.There was a kid that I went to
school with when I was like,you know, seven years old. His
name was Alan. I will neverforget him. He had white blonde hair.
He was the kid who had alwaysdisrupt class, who thought he was
really funny, and the rest ofus, like every kid likes likes a
good diversion from school. But hewas so obnoxio us an annoying that it

(01:20:00):
was to the point where we wereall just like, we're trying to learn,
kid, like, can you stop? Like even the students didn't like
it. You know, he justwas so and he would do things like,
you know, pull my hair onthe bus and like chase me around
the playground, and I hated itbecause he had a crush on me,
you know. And so this ishow he is with Mitch. It's like
Gordon Ford is five. This ismy point, right, yeah, fucking

(01:20:23):
five. He's obnoxious as hell.I don't I clearly see that later on
when somebody else wants to play withhis shiny new tool. Oh yes,
you're right, yeah, yeah,yeah, No. I appreciate your bringing
him up because I I just seenhim as being an asshole. I didn't
think he was trying to help themout. But then again, this is
how it is, too, likeI can have I like to be fair.
I don't like to just hate onthings and be like now I hate

(01:20:45):
him, blah blah blah. Likeno, I see the point I see
in the writing, I even seethe intention in the acting, but in
practice, I just fucking hate him. Well he gave it. He gave
Mitch that look at the very end, like him right, get met,
And I'm like, well that thatto me, just like like he was
like, look look what I'm doingI'm so great, and then Midge gives
him a look back, and Idon't understand where this is going. I

(01:21:08):
just don't understand. I'm like,I kept at the end of every scene
with Gordon Ford in this episode,I just kept thinking, what are they
doing with him? What am Isupposed to think? Now? What does
Gordon feel? Gordon y? Iwas just it gave me such confusion because
we're spending so much time on it. I'm like, Okay, this is
third from the last of all time, you know, third from the last

(01:21:30):
episode you're spent. This is howyou're choosing to alligate your time for what
reason, I don't know. I'mthis is one thing that I'm hoping we're
going to get answers on in thenext episode. I'm not going to hold
my breath. I'm hoping it willpay off, just because of what I
think happened with the Oh Jack,Thank you to Jack Parshaw. I think

(01:21:53):
that you know, and I'm sureI don't know if it's implied that Gordon
did something to not get her onthat show, sabotage I know. I
feel like we should stick with thiswith this line of thinking, and like,
go to the rest of the GordonFord stuff, shall we and not
like go around too much? Okay, that's a good idea, But are
we still gonna talk about Abe goingto Ethans. We will get there,

(01:22:15):
I will talk about it. Let'slet's get over the crappy Gordon ship and
then yeah, the delicious dish thatis, have some snack, yeah yeah,
and then some about the scene.Let's talk about the scene with Danny
Stevens in the writer's room and thenDanny on Gordon Ford Show. Yeah,
gosh, so Danny Stevens popping upin the writer's room. I feel like

(01:22:35):
Alvin a little like an excited kidwhen his dad comes home from work.
Right, He just like really wantedto impress his mentor and because he got
him his first job, that's whathe said, right, yeah, yeah,
yep. That was so cute,and they were all kind of teasing
him, and of course, likehe's there to plug his book, which

(01:22:56):
is different from comedy. And Midgesaves the day like you had mentioned Erica
where she starts saying, look likeyou want them to read about you,
You want to be want them tobe interested in your life. You got
to talk about your life, likejust be real, and when you're real
and it's interesting, you can findthe funny. And that's precisely what Midge

(01:23:16):
has done and what launched her into, you know, this comedy career.
She's giving away all her secrets.This is like she finds out her husband
was sleeping with Penny Pan and it'sjust like comedy gold resulted, and now
she's has this, you know,soon to be very fabulous career. And

(01:23:39):
at first, when we see himon the Gordon Ford Show sitting down and
talking about his parents and going intolike his real life and details, I
almost thought that he was gonna notgive Midge credit for it. I was
like, this asshole is gonna sitthere and do what she's said. And

(01:24:00):
it's like, yeah, this iswhat I planned on doing the whole time.
I thought that would be a greattactic or something. So I was
glad when he actually went through withit and gave her credits. Please take
not from Granny Stevens, Please takeexactly do this. When you do Moishe
and Shirley cracking up the entire time, we had me cracking up. Yeah,

(01:24:25):
like they were. They might havebeen one of the most enjoyable parts
of that show. But another marvelousmoment. Obviously, Danny listens to Midge
and kills with his segment on GordonFord like does a great job. People
are laughing, and this is whyrelating to him, this is why they
say write what you know, becauseit's it makes sense. And I did

(01:24:48):
feel I felt a little bad forAlvin when they're finally at the bar and
Danny is like, Midge, comehere, and she's like is he talking
to me? Like what's going on? And he basically kicks Alvin, oh,
I know, out of the table, so he has to stand there
and I don't know, Like whenhe gave her that job offer essentially like

(01:25:13):
come right for me, it'll begreat, like and Gordon was just like,
what are you doing? Like getsterritorial immediately and he's like, she
makes a good living here like andhe's like, well, i'll pay her
more. Like that whole exchange.I went back and forth about how I
felt about it, because I likethat kind of possessiveness to the point where

(01:25:39):
she's like an object. Said Ifound her. When he said I was
like, fuck you, you dick. Watch Susie found her. Fuck off.
We didn't even want to hire hers. Is the one who had to
convince him, Yeah, put heron as a writer because his I had

(01:26:00):
you know, Hetty had been inthe background, like you need a woman's
perspective. But yeah, he waslike I found her. I was like,
I do not like this possessive territorialshit. And obviously I think some
of that was him projecting because ofhis romantic interest in Midge. Oh,
totally projection, Like he was jealousas Hellee. You remember when he was

(01:26:25):
like, oh, they let youin the writer's room. They don't even
let they don't let me in thewriter's room. And he got all his
panties all in a twitter powdy.I was there is something that will turn
me off in an instant. It'sthat pouding bullshit. But you find it
going forward attractive? No, notin this one. In this episode,
I was like, you ruined him, Like why is he acting like a

(01:26:46):
petulant child? Like this is notattractive? He was charming five years old.
In this episode. I was screamingat the TV Midge leave Gordon going
with Danny Steves. Why would younot rather write for a show starring women
that is justice, if not moresuccessful, rather than prop up fucking Gordon

(01:27:08):
for this unfunny, stuffy as helllittle puppet mouthpiece dick wad oh and make
him look good where he constantly hangingout in an office where he constantly objectifies
you like Midge may make a betterchoice. This is such a better offer,
Like if they still want us tobe like onboard with Gordon being charming

(01:27:30):
like it's it did not because that'sthe thing. I was like, I
guess, I guess that's gone,Like okay, I mean it was never
there for me. The way heacted, I was like, this is
disgusting, And it would have beendifferent at least a little bit, if
you know, he had acted calmlike he if he's trying to poacher like,

(01:27:55):
he could have been like, well, I don't know, like that's
going to be up to Midge,but I like acted cool about it.
And if he was concerned that hewas, you know, only interested in
her because he wanted to sleep withher or something like that, he could
have brought that up to her laterinstead of stomping his feet and essentially making
it seem like, well I wantto sleep with her. This isn't fair,

(01:28:18):
Like if she goes show, thenI can't sleep with her, and
just like dude, he has nochill, He has no chill. He
he cannot contain his freaking boner forme. It's discuss It's like he's five
years old. Literally, he islike, okay, let's like this scene
a high school boy, you know, like he's acting like a preteen,

(01:28:41):
not even high school. You know, like as soon as he sees a
guy, he's just yeah, newtoy. Yeah, he's projecting his own
feelings for Midge onto Danny and hislittle tantrum. Yeah, he immediately goes
to, don't do it. He'shitting on you. He's hitting on you,
Midge. Look at him, Lookat him, hit on you.
This entire scene destroy aid my attractionto Gordon Ford. I will tell you

(01:29:02):
that much Like as soon as hestarted pounding, I was like, oh,
fuck this guy. It's not good. But I was trying to also,
like in my head, I waslike, okay, let's say that
they wanted us to see it froma different point of view. If they
wanted us to see it from okay. Gordon is finally realizing how talented Midge

(01:29:27):
is. He's seen her multiple timesnow in person. He appreciates the talent
he has and now he's realizing thathe could lose her because they did not
show us the next day him approachingMidge and going on about like some sort
of protective bullshit about he just wantedto sleep with you. Don't you see
that? There was none of that. Now. The next thing we saw
was her getting a raise and immediatelybeing matched to most of the male's salary.

(01:29:56):
But I just if they were goingfor anything thing like that, I
didn't get it because they didn't doit, and it just and he had
an opportunity to approach her first.When she went to his office to ask
him about the raise, he wascold towards her. He didn't even look
up to her. He was like, yeah, let's get into that scene.

(01:30:17):
Yeah. One more thing that mademe kind of lean into the possibility
that they were trying to see itas like Gordon's protecting her or something like
that and he values her is whenDanny Stevens like it came off. I
know it was a funny bit,but it came off kind of douchey when
he said, you know, Gordonstarts posturing and kind of threatening him,

(01:30:39):
and he's like, are you kiddingme? I was a boxer in the
army and Gordon goes, you werea boxer in a movie about the army.
Yeah, that was so good andvery funny. When Danny Stephens said
to Gordon Board, I'm married,schmucko, I was like, yes,
yeah, yeah, my new favoritephrase. It's like, so is Gordon,
Like what kind of married our areyou? Yeah? I hate that

(01:31:01):
that's a question or a you know, it's just so things, but I
just I don't know, it's sotypical of what a child would do.
Is like you call someone else outfor doing the thing that you're actually doing,
and it's like, wow, justbroadcasting to the whole world, and
then that's actually you, you schmuckOh okay, okay, So let's get

(01:31:23):
into the other scene with the raisedpart um. Yes when yeah, because
when Midge finally does talk to Gordonin his office, Lord, So Midge
goes up on the elevator. Wecut to the scene where she's coming in.
I don't know if it's the nextday or it's later in that day,
and there's this song playing bang onthe drums and it is um By

(01:31:44):
Blossom Dearie. I've never heard ofher before, but it's very like I'm
having like reminiscence of Mary Tyler Moore. She's in an elevator. It seems
like the song is in her head. She walks out, She's walked,
you know, you know, glidingdown the hallway, and then bam,
run into Mike. The music stopsabrupt so man in her way it was.
It was such a cool transition andeffective, very very and and here

(01:32:10):
is Mike just saying, oh,so you got a raise, and it
was absolutely news to Midge. Sothe thing about this whole situation was it's
like Mike and Mike and Midge liketheir relationship. It's like it's so cute
because they're married in real life.And I just like the back and forth,
and you know, we have himquestioning why did she get this raise?

(01:32:30):
And I'm wondering why he's questioning her, like does it have to do
like does he think she's slept withYeah, Like just kind of questioning like
why do you get a raise?But also the fact that not only did
she get a raised, she's nowmaking the same amount as the other writers,
which all happen to be Mail Jimmy, Jimminy Crickets, I loved Midge's

(01:32:51):
response when she said, jimminy crickets, Oh yeah, please please, I
need that whole line. I wantyeah, I want this whole exchange like
printed out at some point. Yes, it was so good and the fact
that like, not only is shebeing paid now equally as her peers,
but she's actually making more who wasit than Ralph? Yeah? Yeah,

(01:33:14):
is it Ralph? But yeah whenlaid when she laid it out though so
plainly like women, Oh, don'tdon't tell all the women or else everyone's
gonna want to make just as muchas the men for doing the exact same
amount of work, and then it'llbe chaos and all of civilization will collapse.
It'll be great, yeah right,yeah, but Mike was just like,
oh, yeah, you're right.I can't have that. Yeah yeah.

(01:33:38):
And then it's like, damn it, Mike. And it's so funny
because like, I don't see thisas villainous at all. In Mike's part,
it's just all the that he knowsto be true in the world is
like shattered mine. One of thefirst women to do this. It's so
it's so awesome. I love itit is. And then she's breaking glass
ceilings left and right, and weshould still continue to do that now because

(01:33:58):
women are still not paidy or givegiven equal right at workplaces and offices and
especially mothers. Yeah, it's notgood. It's it's still not good.
We really haven't come very far,y'all, no kind of all, just
a nice little facade. We're gettingthere a little bit better, a little
bit better. So after her herum little meaning with Mike, the music

(01:34:21):
starts up again, which I thoughtwas amazing. It just was like accused
right back on, and she marchesright over to Gordon's office and we talked
about this. Where she goes in, she's still being you know, like
cute and I don't know if youwould call flirtatious, but she has this
relation. She's totally flirting with him. She is not saying no, and
I have a problem, but Idon't know. I think not that she

(01:34:45):
wants to sleep with him, shewants to be on a show and I
don't yet and I don't think shenecessarily is usy. I feel like she's
like that with a lot of people, though she was like that with George.
She's just cute, She's naturally flirtating. Also, this is the thing.
This is the thing, guys,And like I've been guilty of this
myself. I cannot lie. Andit's like when you're in a male dominated

(01:35:09):
situation and you look a certain wayand you know that that will get a
response, and you just need whatyou need right the fuck now. You
don't have time to play games.You let some people talk to you or
look at you, or treat youor feel you up. Remember when Midge
was like doing that thing with thepainter and she was saying to Benjamin,
like, just let him touch mythigh a little bit. I can't feel

(01:35:30):
it. I've got a girdle on. Like I'm tough. It's fine,
you know, Like she's willing todo what she has to do, and
like I've done it, you know, I can't say that I haven't done
it. It's just sad that likewomen have to resort to these measures,
you know. But the thing is, and they do, they are blamed
for it. Oh yeah, andespecially if it goes bad. Yeah,
yeah, it's just right right,it's it ain't it ain't no good.
It's a it's a sick it's abad cycle. But like my problem with

(01:35:53):
this, with this whole thing,is that Midge is I feel that she's
kind of leading him on. AmI wrong here? She's definitely not shutting
him down right right, She's notsaying yes, I know, she's not
saying yes by any means, andshe's and she's saying, this is what
I want, give it to mealready. I guess she's kind of liked

(01:36:13):
his reaction, like not liked itand yeah, but she was just like,
yeah, she's using it to kindof fuel that or she's being fought
over yeah yeah, yeah right,but who can blame her? Like she
got a raise out of it.Now, maybe she's like, okay,
like put me on your show andI won't go Yeah, you know,

(01:36:34):
yeah, it's easy right for him. It's easy to be an outsider watching
a show and telling a character stopdoing this, But like when you are
the character, it's like, thisis what happens. I know I've been
that character well, And she says, like she makes it clear, she's
just like I know when men arehitting on me. He was not hitting
on me and everybody, like everymost women have that experience like yeah,

(01:36:56):
this guy's creepy, like I getbad vibes, like I know what his
intentions might be as opposed to andit's not always the true. You can't
always tell obviously, right, butthere are certain situations where it's just like
a waving red flag in front ofyou. And I don't think Danny was
doing that with her, Like,I think he appreciated her perspective and thought

(01:37:20):
she was talented and at Midge isprobably using that to her advantage, kind
of play Gordon a little bit,right, Yeah, and well also why
not? And also Jack Parr ishis biggest competition. That is something that
he doesn't want to hear and heis visibly pissed off. But does it

(01:37:41):
acknowledge it? Did you see alike weird smile he gave her like right
before she left. It Like itwas like he couldn't even hide his emotions
at that point, Like yeah,and that's what you're dizzy, You're just
dancing for me like a little monkeyyard chill. Yeah, and I used
for himself. Yeah, And Idon't know like after he like threw the
papers and had his a little teethafter she left old Yeah, that was

(01:38:05):
not that was not a track.And it's like, did he like sabotage
what happened? Did he call Jackpart and say, look, this is
my girl. Don't give her achance? Or did he like use different
chavels to tell his assistant like no, do not, because I think it's
possible onto something, but you knowthe thing about it, and I don't

(01:38:28):
want to jump too far about that. Like Midge, they didn't even show
her set, which really pissed meoff because I miss hearing miss I know,
I miss it only gave us thebeginning, and that entire audience was
like on fire, like just fromher cackling there. It was like,
you know, they they woke upand then to go that like this guy's
like I don't get it, likeshe shows a pretty face. It just

(01:38:49):
it seems like there was some typesomething will happen. And I don't think
it's just that that guy didn't gether. I think something was put into
make sure and then the fact thathe wanted he wanted James instead like oh
no, no, no, wellwe're not going to take this one.
We're not gonna take your girl.We're gonna take this guy to kind of
make up for you know, nottaking her. I feel like there's there's

(01:39:11):
something in there, and I thinkGordon has to do with it. I
could see that, Like I thought, I was just like this conniving little
shit, like is he going totry to sabotage her because he wants her
to stick around? See, Okay, this is I don't know, this
is what I'm saying I and Ifeel like I've said it already, so
I'm not going to belabor the point. But the silence that we had in
this scene was weird, Like I'mfrustrated because we only have two episodes left

(01:39:35):
and the plot, the Gordon plotisn't going anywhere. They're they're showing up,
they're showing oh sorry, they're showingso much Gordon, but they're not
doing anything with it. Yeah,if she does not end up on his
show, and like in a howI have the best set ever next episode?

(01:39:55):
Like what are they doing? Thedeal? Is I feeling? That's
the I have to predicts, it'swhat we're waiting for. She's either going
to be on that show. She'seither going to be He's gonna be like,
all right, Midge, I'm finallygoing to let you go on which
I don't I don't know, Idon't even really want her on that show,
or I know it's gonna go toDanny Stevens and go be a sitcom
writer and then get discovered that way, Like I feel like, but how

(01:40:16):
much time like we need? Weneed to figure out She's gonna have to
have her breakthrough and it's probably goingto be this episode coming up. But
you're right because I a lot ofpeople have assumed that, and I think
rightfully so that her break is goingto be appearing on Gordon Ford and killing
or something like that. But atthis point, I'm just like, Okay,

(01:40:41):
is she gonna do it? Becausewe know she ends up at the
what eighteen sellout nights nights at theCopa just a couple years after this,
So what are we what are wewaiting on? What are we wait?
I'm ready to see it, Yeah, I know. I'm ready to get
something going here, and I'm readyto have some as a lution with this
Gordon fucking Forward thing, like therelationship to Midge the I just huh,

(01:41:05):
Yeah. To give us so muchof someone on my screen and to have
no idea where this is going islike, it's kind of frustrating, And
that's just a little I have.I had an idea. I feel like
we're jumping. I'll get all overjust but it just real quick because this

(01:41:25):
scene was kind of shortish. Anyway, when Susie is playing poker with the
guys, I was gonna say,let's go there, let's go there next.
Yeah, yeah, we'll save thelast. Yeah. Like Mike approaches
her and is like basically like,hey, I got Midge a shot at
Jack Parr, like look at mego And I was like, damn,

(01:41:48):
Mike, that was some a lotof favor. That's nice. Yeah,
I like it's kind of odd,but we know he now respects Susie and
probably feels like he oh Susie sinceSusie was responsible for getting George fired and
Mike's new shiny promotion. So he'stelling her all of this, and my

(01:42:11):
thought was, okay, so hehelps her get a shot at Jack Parr.
Maybe at some point, if we'relooking at her getting on Gordon Ford
Show, if Gordon sabotaged her,I could see potentially Hetty coming back into
the picture and either feeling bad aboutwhat she did to Susie finally talking to

(01:42:36):
Susie and Susie being like, youknow what you could do for me?
Like you could do me one favorand basically have Hetty somehow convinced Gordon to
give Midge a shot and put heron the show or something like that,
which I don't think I would.I think I don't think I would not
like that. Right, That's thething, And I can't stop my brain.

(01:42:57):
I say, what happens watching this? I would have liked that if
it happened right after both Susie episodebefore Big you know, yeah, right,
I'm starting to have a hard time, Like I feel like they're not
going to follow up on these thingsthat they've introduced us to. You Like,
I wanted so much more from Susieand Hetty and now I'm like,

(01:43:21):
what was that? It? Like, are we not? I know?
I know? And this episode withSusie, I felt like she was kind
of in her own show. We'llI'll get there when I when I talk
about Susie stuff I love. Ialso love that Susie is playing cards with
the guys and that there was alittle throwback about how much she couldn't stand

(01:43:43):
Shy's manager. That that made mehappy. Um, but you know,
we see that she and Mike arestill friends into the nineties. They obviously
have a good working relationship, andit wouldn't surprise me if Mike was responsible
for getting Midge out there. Hetakes her to Jack Parr, but I

(01:44:04):
just I don't know if we don'tsee her somehow get on the Gordon Ford
Show in the next episode, andwell, I don't even know if it's
going to happen at this point,because like why and I don't know why.
Susie was so insistent that Midge hasto get on the Gordon Ford Show,
Like when on that show? Yeah, like why when when Mike suggested

(01:44:25):
the Jack Parr showcase, Susie wasreally like, I don't want to.
I don't want to do that though, like I wanted to be okay,
just make Gordon Ford happens. Yeah, Like she was like that's the whole
reason that we're that we're there.She was like, I'm counting on Gordon
Ford and he was like, wellyou can count on Jack Parr, Like
what's wrong with that? Like justshift your shift your focus a little.
And Susie really didn't want to budgeAnd I'm like, okay, Susie,

(01:44:45):
you're supposed to be a good managerthough, like this is not good manager.
Oh, speaking of Susie, wellthat's a big jump too. I
was like Susie being a good manager. Yeah right right, So I okay,
before we get into that whole though, I'll just say now that I
felt like Susie's I don't know what'sgoing on in Susie's mind, because yeah,
like every time we saw her inthis episode, I felt like she

(01:45:09):
was in a different show. AndI hate how disconnected Midge and Susie feel
like they don't feel like it's teamanymore at all, even though Susie the
whole her whole point of this wholeepisode was like going to bat for Midge.
This is my girl. I wantit's her moment. It's her moment,
like give her her chance. Ifelt like Susie because that whole entire
plot line, Like when last wesaw Susie, she was on the streets

(01:45:30):
yelling at Hetty more of that,please, we all want more of that,
and like we're what you were saying. I don't know if we're ever
going to get it. Then I'mstarting to lose faith that we will.
But this episode, Susie felt likea plot device where we got no character
development from her, aside from likehow she wouldn't let James do the Jack
par gig and the problems, right, Yeah, she's like servicing the plot

(01:45:50):
and not and it's almost out ofcharacter for Susie. Yeah, it does.
So it's like we're sacrificing character integrityfor this weird like plot device e
thing. I don't know, likewhat we see them interact barely, don't.
Like, we see Susie tell Midgeabout Jack Parr at the Wolford and

(01:46:12):
I was just like, yes,more interaction please, and then there still
wasn't that much and Midge kind ofyou know, agrees and has talked into
it. Eventually she's not thrilled.And then we see Susie kind of talking
to her before and a little bitafter her set, and you know,
Jade, You've brought it up multipletimes in the last couple of episodes,

(01:46:35):
like we're just not getting a lotof Midge and Susie time, and their
chemistry together and their banter back andforth in their friendship was one of the
most enjoyable aspects of the show.And now we have two episodes and it's
really it's really how they're selling thisshow too. Even still in promotional stuff
and interviews, people are like yeah, and the and these two actors are

(01:46:59):
saying, and you're getting so muchof that woman's this season, and I'm
like, uh, how it's morelike like it's like a separation. Yeah,
it's really And you know what's reallyfunny, guys, we're getting so
much Gordon Forward and I so much. Man, we really sound like a
bunch of fucking complainers, Like II'm sorry, I this is how I

(01:47:21):
feel like. And it's not thatI don't like this show. It's like
I love it. I still lovethis show. I still loved this episode.
I really did. But when westart to dig into it, it's
it starts to kind of come onglued a little, you know, and
I just kind I do it can'tbe. It's not lost on me that
like, the one thing we're gettingso much of is the one thing that

(01:47:42):
I kind of hate, which islike so much more on board and yet
at the same time, I stilldon't know what to make of it,
which is crazy. No, hopefullyit's it was an interesting one. Like
I think we talked about a littlebit at the beginning, but this felt
I felt like an older episode ofthe show, Like it just almost felt
slightly out of place, and Ithink inevitably any episode that aired after last

(01:48:10):
week's test a roast deal like,come on, that's gonna be hard to
people live up to. It feltlike a season finale. It was that
good. And it's true, yeahit was, It really did. And
then this one I was just like, okay, so we we we now
know that Roses sick somehow and it'sprobably not going to make it. But

(01:48:33):
what else really of significance did welearn? We already knew Estro was a
genius, we knew where's Lenny Bruce? Well, leny Lenny Bruce. Remember
I said back then, I'm like, I felt like that might be the
last time we see him, andI don't want to believe that, but
I'm worried. You're right, Yeah, yeah, I don't want to see

(01:48:54):
it like a casket or a flashback. I would like it to be another
another I don't. I do haveto say the one thing. Okay,
So this whole scene at the Wolford, I was really happy to see it.
I love that they got one moreWolford in there. And you know
what it reminds me. You knowwhat it reminded me of when when they
showed up at the Wolford and Midgewas like, I'm gonna go on in

(01:49:15):
a minute, I'm still working here. I cracked up because this is a
Gilmore Girls thing. Oh, Kara, do you remember on the Guilt or
my listeners. I'm sure you're like, yes, talk about this because it
was hilariously like plotted that Rory wasworking for a newspaper and she like so
obnoxiously got her way into this newspaperjob. And any Gilmore Girls fan will

(01:49:39):
like remember like the office sit inwhen she was like, I'm not leaving
to you give me a job andshe was like privilege vary so uncomfortable.
So so you know, she likegets this job at the newspaper, and
then the next season happens and likea couple of it's it's the start of
a new season and a couple ofepisodes in she's so busy with all her
college stuff and it's like, surelyshe's just not working at the newspaper anymore,

(01:50:01):
and like they've just kind of kindof trailed off and forgot to say,
oh, yeah, she stopped workingthere. And I thought that that's
the same thing to happen at theWolford, Like how can Rory and Midge
have like all these hours in theworld to work at these jobs, and
then all of a sudden in TheGilmore Girls, it came up like Rory's
working at the paper and she mentionedsomething about like going to that job,
and it's like the unreality of this, like her still being able to do

(01:50:26):
all that she does at like Yaleand all her extra things and all her
relationships and her boyfriends, and thenshe's still working at this fucking paper job.
It was so fake and like thisis how the Wolford gig felt to
me. Was like, so letme get this straight. Yeah, so
let me get this straight. Midgeis like taking care of everyone in her
house and mothering and doing all thatstuff and working these long hours every day

(01:50:48):
in the writer's room, and thenshe's still and doing all these gigs.
I mean, we saw, wesaw she was falling asleep right like standing
up. She was just you know, but she's still got the Wolford job.
I'm like why. It was likeit was funny though it was kind
of ran. I was like,oh, okay, well we're back,
Like yeah, that's good to know. What kind of animal do you think

(01:51:10):
was in the ceiling? Oh mygod, gosh, I don't know it
a rat that was so funny.They're like, definitely not a cat,
but another banana, a funny bananabit. Oh my god, if it
was like a skunk or something,or a post or oh my god,
Aposta. Possums are so scary nightmaresabout I am so they're great, They're

(01:51:35):
wonderful. I am sending you areI'm sending you a video of a sea
shanty about a possum and you're gonnalove him. It sounds lovely to send
it to you. Possums. Possumsare misunderstood, and they are going to
have a round rupials. Yes,Carol, if there's anyone who's gonna go
to bat, it's true. Ifthere, yeah, you're gonna go to

(01:51:57):
bat for the fucking possum like theywill kill things you don't want to ready,
Oh god, there, and look, I don't want to get bitten
by a tick. I love steak. I can't take the chance of never
being able to eat red meat again. So possums fine, fine by me.
Okay, well, I do notreally hear that sentiment. There's nothing

(01:52:21):
scary to read than a fucking possum. Man. Oh if I was a
kid, I've had I swear togod, I've had nightmares about possums since
I was a child. Okay,anyway, let's move on. Let's go
up to um the next Susie moment, or like, let's continue with this
whole Midge, you know, goingto the showcase thing. So she's she's
the only chick. I love thispart. She's the only chick on the

(01:52:43):
bill. There's only one set oftits. Why is this a question?
You could be Midge Basil, You'vegot tits, you know. I gotta
say it's nice if someone finally noticedpushes boobs together. I know, yes,
it was so good. I waslike, yeah, Susie's no more
of that, Like, oh man, oh my god. I loved that.

(01:53:03):
Susie loved being acknowledged for her boobs. It was so brilliant, thank
you, thank you for noticing finally. Goodness. But I just I don't
know, fucking Pete. I couldn'ttell if he was just if he was
told to go there because of JamesHe's coming up in this movie. I

(01:53:29):
hadn't thought of that until Eric saidit, which I'm thinking now. God,
I fucking hate Gordon Ford. Somuch. If he's any part of
this reason why this guy didn't getit, I don't know. I don't
know that he could be, butI don't know. I wouldn't put it
past him. What I thought wasmy initial thought was like, okay,
yes, in the sixties, prettywomen were not funny, Like this is
why Midge is having such a hardtime. And we saw it in Sophie

(01:53:50):
Lennon. Remember, She's like,what's your gimmick? You know? And
Midge is like, I don't havea gimmick. I'm just me and like
that's my that's what I do.I just tell a stream of consciousness,
like stories about my own life.And she goes, you gotta have a
gimmick or whatever, and she's likeJack Pard doesn't have a gimmick. And
she's like, he has a dick. Do you have a dick? And
Sophie Lennon gets herself a fat suit. That's how she gets respect, and

(01:54:12):
like, you know, we cansee it in history. It's like you're
either a Carol Burnette or you're aMary Tyler Moore. There's really no in
between. So and Mary Tyler Moorewas not a comedian. I mean,
she was very funny. She totallywas a comedian, but not like a
stand up you know. Carol Burnettethough, although she's to me in my
mind, Carol Burnett is gorgeous,like I just I love her, but

(01:54:35):
she's quirky. She's got this weirdnessto her and she really leaned into that
and her awkward like you know,super tall, gangly like physique, and
her crazy facial expressions. Like shewasn't sexy or I'm sure that Carol Burnette
is very sexy to me, likeI don't know for some reason, even
like as like miss Hannigan in Annie, I'm like, damn you so sexy

(01:54:59):
though, Carol her Net, likeI just I love her so much,
she is so hot. Um,but no, but she didn't lean into
it that way. She didn't sellherself as like the set. She sold
herself as like this weird girl,like awkward and you know, silly like
Fanny Bryce, you know, likethe original funny girl. Oh gosh,
you know she she so so It'slike when when the world sees a Midge,

(01:55:20):
like a really conventionally beautiful, wellput together woman, they don't know
what to do with her. AndI think that that was like that made
sense to me, But now yougot me thinking about the sabotage angle.
So I'm like, so we'll say. He brings James up so fast,
it's like, yeah, you couldhave been thinking about it during her set,

(01:55:41):
but he said it immediately, andI was just like, why the
what the hell? Man, Likethat movie's not even out yet, Like
how is this he says that everyone? She thought everyone's talking about about it
because which seems realistic, like thebuzz around town is He's like this hot
commodity in Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like I think it

(01:56:03):
could be either way. You're right, we know that this has always been
her barrier. She's always she's nottaken seriously. She's had to work really
hard to get where she's at.But I have this like just the way
Gordon reacted, it just feels likeand it just feels like it was very
intentional the way they had it andit was just cut and then how quickly

(01:56:25):
it Wasn't that like if they gaveus the full set and we could get
the reaction of the audience the entiretime and maybe see and see Jack Carr
and how he was responding, Likeif we if they showed us like,
oh him like not paying attention,like how Gordon rise. Like then maybe
I could say, all right,maybe he didn't get it, and it
was just you know, it wasn'tgood, but the audience was the way

(01:56:48):
we have to take Pete's right,the way the way we're kind of given
is like she did great, sheyou know, and she got It's like
she was sitting there, she felt, she felt like she accomplishes, she
succeeded, and then like like left, they're kind of like really it wasn't
mean. May handled that ship likea professional. Had one of her finest.

(01:57:11):
This was one of her finest momentsin a while. Growth Yeah,
she's matured. I was like,good for you, because you know,
I could see her even just lastseason throwing an absolute fit or like being
snarky and insulting him or going offon him. But at this point she
even like stuck up for James whenSusie was like, no, you were

(01:57:32):
here for Midge, like this isnot about James, and I thought it
was very nice. Off she didsay look like yeah, don't suck him
over. Yeah, yeah she did. She did the thing that the actor
you're you're supposed to do break downin your own room by yourself alone.
It's like, seriously, I amMidge. That is me, like at

(01:57:53):
least once a week after enough projection, you know, because I like life
as for an actor is just auditionafter audition, Like that's my job.
That's what I always say, likewhat I have to I have to work.
And people are like, oh,you have you have a job,
and I'm like, no, Ihave to fucking audition. How do you
think I get the jobs? Youdo one hundred auditions, maybe you book
one. That's not an exaggeration,guys, and I have lots of jobs,

(01:58:15):
it's true. But like a jobis only it's like being a drug
addict. It's your fix is onlygood if you know you have another one
coming, if you know this isyour last fix, or you know you
don't have a job lined up afterthis one. It's you're just stressed.
You can't even enjoy it. Youcan't even in a state of anxiety,
oh yeah saying and not knowing what'sgoing to happen. Yeah yeah. And

(01:58:36):
that's the actor's life. So Idid it, like I so felt like
I wanted to give me a hugin that moment when she broke down after
this. It was so I feellike it is that we haven't seen that
from her very often, the breakdownin terms of real raw like emotion and
crying. For the most part,we see her process her emotions and feeling

(01:59:00):
to be like comedy or being sassyor kind of I don't know, throwing
a tantrum. But when for somereason, like her crying in the bathroom
hit me, yeah, me toohard. It was superb acting. No,
I'm just thinking like the sexism aspectof it too. Like the whole

(01:59:21):
episode we're seeing that kind of thrownout at her, and yeah, she
handled it well when she got araise and made that comment to Mike about
like, oh no, the womenare going to think that, yeah they
could be paid the same as men, Like what are we going to do?
That has to take a toll evenback then, and I just I

(01:59:41):
feel like we're seeing her frustrated howthings aren't going the way that she wants.
She keeps waiting for that big breakand hopefully that is setting it up
for the next episode so you finallysee her big break and see the set
that really you know, I don'tstarts her career off. I don't know
if Susie is going to be theone to give her her big break because

(02:00:03):
at this point, like everything I'veI said about Susie last episode, I
was just like, it's so erasedwith this episode because we see this phone
call that Susie has with James andyou guys, James, James's excitement like
turned my stomach, Like when hewas talking about a few months ago he
was working for Wings and Fries ina chicken place and now Jack Parr wants

(02:00:25):
him, and he's like, mymom's shit, my mom was gonna lose
her. And it was like soit was so all it was so hard
to watch and so like awkward,and I just felt like my skin was
all crawling because like I get whereSusie's coming from, but I didn't like
it. I get that it's nothis tie, right, Like why say
that to him or why not Pete'scareer and say, yeah, like you

(02:00:51):
want James, You've got Midge too, Like she randle that right on your
own. Don't go to James,tell him Jack Parr one tim and then
be like Nope, but you're notgonna do it. What manager, even
an amateur manager, would ever thinkto go to the client and say,
Okay, so you got this amazinggig, right, you're not gonna like

(02:01:12):
dangling it daaaaaa, here's what you'renever gonna have because I'm not gonna let
you have it by like what thefuck? You don't tell him to turn
it down? Like, just don'tif you're gonna take it away from him,
if you're gonna do this thing wherebasically I don't understand her logic of
like not giving them Midge doesn't giveJames or sorry, not giving them James

(02:01:33):
doesn't job right, you're all She'slike, okay, so Midge didn't get
the job, so that hurts Midge. You know what I'm gonna do now,
I'm gonna hurt two clients that'll trulyfix something like so, well,
if you're gonna not give it tohim, then why go to him and
tell him you're not gonna give itto him? It's just that was annoying.

(02:01:53):
So I did not like that.I was so good like Susie.
I understand Susie's reaction in terms ofI think this shows us just how clouded
she is though when it comes toMidge and how you know she prioritizes Midge.
Midge is still number one, AndI get that, you know,

(02:02:15):
maybe to a certain extent, shesees some of her uphill battle that she's
had to deal with as a womanin breaking into show business with Midge as
a woman kind of climbing up hilland breaking into comedy. But I just
I don't know, Like Midge seemsto almost cloud her instincts at this point.
Like we've talked about how she hasgreat instincts, she knows what she's

(02:02:38):
doing at this point in time becauseshe's seeing Midge wrong. She is letting
that affect her representation of her otherclients. She's taking it personally, and
this is getting really messy. Andthis is when the words that Midge said
in that interview, we tried tohave a friendship in show business. That's
the problem. It's because things likethis happen, and like she's it's too

(02:03:01):
personal with Susie. You know,she's losing sight of what's important. She's
losing sight of anything that she knewto be true at all. Like where
is Susie. I just don't know. This is so bizarre for me.
It felt it was so hard forme to believe it felt like that almost
bad writing. I'm like, you'reyou're asking me to really suspend a lot

(02:03:23):
of disbelief to think that Susie wouldbe this much of an idiot, right,
it just seems way off off base, especially after last you know,
the very last episode was how she'sthis magnificent like I can't throw magnificent like
figure and show businesses all these guysrespect, and she's so successful and responsible

(02:03:48):
for some of these huge projects andpeople being discovered. And then we see
this and it just doesn't necessarily compute. No, Like if this episode had
aired before last week's episode, Ithink I would feel very differently. I

(02:04:08):
do the exact same way. Doyou think it has because do you think
it has to do the fact thatshe's if it doesn't involve Midge she does
really well, maybe it's if ithas to do with big just when she
has difficulty like doing this like smoothkind of well, I would that I
would say that that's true. Butit's like now Midge, her her feelings

(02:04:30):
for Midge are getting messy with herfeelings for other clients, Like she's I
mean, and I get it,like James is new he hasn't paid his
dues. And this is happening veryquickly for James and he's having a lot
of luck really fast. I'm happyfor it, probably because he's a man
and he's easy to sell. He'sgot a clear like I know what I'm
selling. What the what that guysaid, the guy of Jack Parr's guy

(02:04:55):
was like, I don't know whatI'm selling. I don't know how to
what's the gimmick? What's her angle? Like, I don't get it.
She's she's got a pretty dress,she's pretty, like I. Men can't
receive this package of You can't.You can't put this beautiful woman in front
of men and say, oh no, no, don't be sexually attracted to

(02:05:15):
her though, laugh at her likethat doesn't Well, that's not building.
That's not sellable. You know whatis sellable is a guy who is black,
plucked from obscurity into this. He'sall of a sudden gut he's a
shine shining, rising star. Likethat's something people are talking about. And
honestly, it's really just because ofthis film that he got lucky to get
because Susan When I think because Susiegot it for him though, like she

(02:05:38):
was gunning for James, Like whereis that? But when it calls to
when it comes to like who's who'sshe going to choose? Who are you
going to save? It's always goingto be Midge every time, even if
even if it means well, AndI think this is the first time where
it just doesn't quite sit well becausewe know James is talented. And when
you think about back to her representingSophie Lennon at the same time, like

(02:05:59):
she did the same thing trying toget Sophie that Broadway show, a serious
role on Broadway, Like she workedher ass off getting her that show,
and then when Sophie kind of blewit, she called her out and she
laid into her and was like,you're nothing like Midge, Like Midge has
it, like Mitch has talent,You're nothing like her. And that was

(02:06:20):
fine, Like, okay, prioritizeMidge in that instance, but here like
James doesn't deserve that correct, Likeit's it's just I don't know, I
feel like not how I expected thatto go. I feel like I'm just
going to keep repeating myself if Ikeep continuing to talk about this more,
and it's not that like I hateit's not that I hate it. It's

(02:06:41):
not that at all. It's like, I love these characters and I want
them to make better choices. Iwant Susie to do exactly better. We
want Mitch to succeed. We wantto see what she did and make her
feel good. Yeah, this wholeshow has been kind of based on the
premise, like we all knew sheis going to be successful most likely at
some point, Like you're seeing herlike from the beginning and working up to

(02:07:06):
her big break. And I thinka lot of people that watch the show,
we're expecting to see her big breaka little bit sooner than the final
two episodes of the series. Yeah, and I don't know. I'm I'm
trying to remain optimistic for the lasttwo episodes and how they wrap it up.
I have less because they could surpriseus. But I have less of

(02:07:28):
a problem with the whole We haven'tseen Midge's big break yet. I have
more of a problem with the characterin consistencies. And it's funny because I
feel like I still liked this episode, like it's laughing. I know so
much throughout it. It was justthe placement of it in the season and
in the series that seemed funky.Yeah, like Abe, we didn't talk

(02:07:50):
about the happy Abe yes Ethan becausethat was we'll say that glorious. You
know. So let's get into thisAbe moment of the episode and this amazing
breakfast family breakfast scene because I think, I mean all the Abe and Joel

(02:08:11):
stuff, like we didn't talk aboutany of that yet, which is crazy
because this okay, like I lovedall of it. I love all This
is all the stuff that I lovedright um, and like this is the
thing listeners, I don't I don'twant you guys to get the impression that,
like I didn't like this, becauseI truly did love this episode.
I love every episode of the marvelousMissus Maisel. I love this show.
I don't ever want it to end, and I'm so glad that like we

(02:08:33):
can continue to podcast about it ifwe choose, which we're kind of leaning
toward doing. I think a lotof people are wanting, you know,
us to keep going with the withthe you know, rewatching of the show,
and I would love to do thatbecause it's such a good show.
And listening to myself now talk,I'm afraid that people will think that,
like we hate the show or something. But honestly, that's usually why people

(02:08:58):
are listening to a podcast, right, Like if you are a viewer of
a TV show and you right,hopefully that's why I am. Yeah,
I like it a podcast for thatreason. You want something a little bit
deeper or more critical. So andyou know, we've talked about this before.
I know other podcast aga hosts havetalked about it before, but it

(02:09:18):
is a different experience podcasting on ashow as opposed to just watching it casually
as a viewer, because inevitably you'regoing to start to pick up on things
that you wouldn't if you were justwatching it, not taking notes, not
thinking about you know, past episodes. You just you notice more details and

(02:09:39):
you watch the show maybe once twicethree times to take notes, and things
start to stick out. Oh yeah, so you know I laughed, I
will, I laughed out loud,probably an excessive amount during this episode.
Yeah. So it wasn't like itwas a horrible viewing experience. No,
no, no, no, it'snot at all. It just made us
say, yeah, definitely, whichis you know, arguably a good thing.

(02:10:05):
Yeah that there was so much toaddress, but I don't know the
Palladinos do not hit a home runevery time, but they get pretty damn
close. So and wrapping up ashow like the of this caliber, I
feel like this is we're getting intothe into the thick of it now,
where where opinions are going to startto come out of Like this is what
I want for these characters that Ilove so much. I want to see

(02:10:30):
more, more and more, youknow. Yeah, and you can't please
everyone. Yes, it's not Iit's it shouldn't be about fan service.
It's hopefully about and their vision ofwhere these characters are supposed to end up,
hopefully is what we're going to get. Yes. Yeah, And this
podcast, unfortunately is in all fanservice either, although it's I really do

(02:10:50):
want to make you, guys,listeners. I want to make you happy,
and I hope that we're doing thatwith this episode by giving you a
little bit of criticism. Critique constructive, it's all constructive, right, But
okay, let's talk about what weabsolutely love. Because Abe going to Ethan's
schools was delightful. It made mehappy, happy, made me happy.

(02:11:13):
Interesting. So okay, oh mygosh. First of all, I have
to say these two actors who playedthe teachers were fabulous. Arden Mirren and
Julie Dolan. Arden Mirren played MissusMoyer's and yeah, Julie Dolan played Missus
Foster. They were They made thisscene even better. And they matched Tony

(02:11:37):
Shalhub like right away, and that'snot easy to do, y'all. Like
they were such pros. These actors, like pay attention to this kind of
thing because you just you take itfor granted that oh yeah, it's just
abe, you know, but like, no, these actors are They've got
to be super intimidated. And Idon't know, I was just so impressed

(02:11:58):
from an acting sand point. Iwas just like, ah, this is
just brilliant the way that they fellright into it, and they gave these
characters, these teachers, which couldhave been so like, you know,
overlooked and just kind of not boring, but like not as they made them
so noticeable. They gave him suchlife. So I loved it so much.
Do you see them and you knowexactly who they are? Right?

(02:12:20):
Yeah? They brought it to light. Who there's a song barbar streisand singing
Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf? Was just perfect. I love that
they use these weird Barber streisand songs. They've done this throughout the whole series.
So Ave has his little snack.He loves his snack. It's delicious

(02:12:41):
snack. It's crunchy and creamy andnutty. It's just a terrific combination.
Did the children get the same snack? Yes, this is a very good
school. He is won over bythe stack. So they're having free to
be time where the kids get tospend time on a subject they excel at.

(02:13:01):
And so you got the engineer group, the math group, the reading
group, the writing plays group,which I feel like that's the group we
would all be a part of forsure. Yeah. I would definitely not
be in the engineering now now,that would not be a thing. Yeah,
they have all these groups. Andthen we see Abe is like,

(02:13:24):
well where's Ethan where? You knowyou can see he's like concerned and these
children running around in a circle,you know, happy there. So okay,
I saw this. This just hadme dying. I this scene was
so funny to me. Melanie Brownleft us a voice a message where she
talks about this scene a lot,and she gives a totally different take on

(02:13:46):
it, which I love that shedid. Interest you, Yeah, like,
I'm so excited for you guys tohear this boy'smail because I okay,
So I went right to happiness aslike an allegory for gay. Oh oh.
When they said Ethan as a sweet, healthy young man who also happens
to be happy, it felt tome like it was someone breaking the news

(02:14:09):
to a parent, like, yes, your son is gay, you know,
like and I guess half gay isalso like you know, a turnay
and happy. Yeah huh. Idon't know. That did not pop into
my head at all, but Ican I can see that. I was
just like, oh, he's reallydumb. Yeah, like I took him
from an educator's perspective. I thoughtit was either they were using kind of

(02:14:33):
like a teacher language that he's theseare kids who might need special education services,
or or that they're using it amore like well they're happy. They
don't necessarily need that, they're justenjoying being children. Like either way would
have been like appropriate. Definitely wentwith special they need special education RUSS before

(02:14:54):
those really existed and were in placefor the right. Yeah. Right,
It's definitely like a comment on thetimes, like we just don't know what
to do with these kids. Sowe're going to encourage them just to be
who they are. Yeah. Imean they did seem really happy, he
did. Yeah, looked like theywere having a good time over there.
Even Ethan is the happiest, shesays, in all my years of teaching,

(02:15:15):
I've never met a child quite ashappy as Ethan. And Abe is
just, um, very not okaywith this because he's I was a tenured
professor at Columbia University. I workedat Bell Labs. I have twelve patents
pending. That is my grandson.He is a weissman. There is no

(02:15:35):
possible way that he is happy.And he says this all. He says
this all like gesturing with a pretzel, which really the physicality was I really
a perfect Yeah, I just Itook a bite of it. And it
kind of makes sense to me thatEthan would be later because we see where

(02:15:58):
he goes later in life, andyou know, being interested in that.
He's happy, happy, He's anorganized religion, living a simple life on
a farm, one with God,spiritual, you know, like an hava.
Right, he's got his harvas.It's goods, I wouldn't say,
sir. Yeah. Yeah, Estheris definitely a product of the family that

(02:16:22):
is not happy. Yeah, Iknow, but I like this was I
don't know, this whole happiness thing. And Ethan and the Wiseman, you
know, the first boy in theWiseman family being a genius. Like I
don't know if it's the English majorin me or what, but I just

(02:16:43):
went down a rabbit hole with it, and so I'm going to have to
try to rein it in somewhat aswe talk about this stuff, okay,
because it just I think it's necessary, because I think that we need that
because there's there's so much. Ireally liked the part where the teacher said
he did spell his name correctly onthis one, which is a big improvement

(02:17:07):
from the last time. So that'sexciting. And probably just like I feel
like I'm in an alternate universe.I'm in the Twilight zone without Rod Serling
here to guide me. Went rightto twilight zone. And so yeah,
because Avan sisted that he take thetest again, like the second the worst
score will be replacing the old score. And then Ethan walks in and it's

(02:17:30):
like Grandpa glitter sticks to your face. Oh my god, his world is
crashing down around him. Yeah atthat moment, Yeah, because then we
get the scene with him in withhim and Joel. Yeah, the flashback,
yes, was wild. I wasjust like, what the hell is

(02:17:54):
he talking about? Ignore your childuntil six? For six years? I
was just like, is this way? Is this what happened to you?
Like? Is this why? Hewas like, you are the way that
you are? Well, he's Ican't talk to my own kid, No,
of course you can once he turnedsix. Before that, zipp it
just like I had question which Ihad questions though it was it wasn't that

(02:18:18):
the father could not speak to thechild until there was six, because I
was I was like, I needa more clarification because I was like,
it was it just said the fatherthat was what? Yeah? I too?
Oh yeah yeah beca much a father'sson. Yeah yeah. He said,
what if I need to talk toEthan? And he goes or he
said what if I need to like, how do I communicate with my son?

(02:18:39):
And he said, Miriam can doit. And if it's really important,
write a note, write a note. He said. I He's like,
I never talked I never talked toNoah. And then he was six
years old. All of a sudden, he became a genius and he was
playing the violin, and Joel goes, I never heard Ethan played the violin.
He doesn't need to, he's alreadydone it, understand not at all.

(02:19:01):
I think my favorite part of thatscene was when he got the brandy
out and he took his old cupup. Oh that's my god, yes,
and made him drink out of thedirty pencil cup. Well, it's
just it's so funny too that Idon't know, like genetics obviously mean absolutely

(02:19:22):
nothing to him. And then wesee Esther going on with a focus in
DNA clearly and like the woo woostuff, and how I expected when they
brought it up at the breakfast tablefor Rose and Midge or you know,
to kind of roll their eyes orbe like all right, dad, like

(02:19:43):
yeah, but they're all in.Yeah, they're all on board. Oh
yeah, which made it very entertaining. Yeah, let's get into this family
breakfast scene. This is this isthe marvelous Missus Masel at its absolute best,
these kind of scenes. Yes,So we go into the family breaks
this we see Ashert and Noah andthey're they're just discussing their their journey of

(02:20:05):
having another baby. So it soundslike they're they're they're going through fertility and
they're bringing up Dirney magazines and thatperks up Rose when they're they're bringing that
up a different table as you know, they're passing the locks and the bagels,
and it was just it was justdelightful and wonderful and ridiculously silly.
And I think that, you know, when the conversation kind of transitioned from

(02:20:30):
that to where they're talking about thepastel toilet and apes sustained for toilets,
that toilets should not be pink,they should be white, it just it's
it was just really cute and funand I enjoyed that very much. The
only the only thing his mother seemsto care about is a ridiculous pink toilet.
What's wrong with the pink toilet?A toilet is not supposed to be

(02:20:52):
pink? Why not? Because atoilet is supposed to be white. A
pink toilet is still a toilet,except it's fun. Not everything is supposed
to be fun. Sometimes you justhave to use a toilet. Are a
lot of wonderfully delivered lines. Thiswas hard, that whole scene. Yeah,

(02:21:13):
it's hard not to like that.Just because he's happy doesn't mean he
can't excel, Sure it does.It's like, well, that reminded me
of that was it a Hemmingway quote? Do you know what I'm talking about?
Like about happiness and intelligent people isthe rarest thing I know. I've
never heard it well, And thatand the Ricky Gervaise I don't know if

(02:21:37):
he was the first person to sayit, but it seemed extra appropriate here.
I think I wrote it down becauseit was going to bother me.
The Ricky Gervaise quote that it mademe think of was you know when you're
when you're dead, you don't knowyou're dead. It's only painful and difficult
for others. The same applies whenyou are stupid. And I was like,

(02:22:00):
yep, that sounds about right.Like Ethan's like the happiest little kid,
like he's fine and just off.But did you find the him you
quoted it perfectly? Happiness and intelligentpeople is the rarest thing I know well,
and it seems like it's a themein the show. This is what

(02:22:22):
I mean when I talked about therabbit hole, like I feel like it
comes up over and over again,especially with Midge, like you can't have
it all, like you can't youknow, be the perfect housewife and mother
and have this wonderful comedy career andthe fact that aban Rose essentially raised her
to put happiness on the back burner. Everything else matters first, you know,

(02:22:46):
she went to school, she meta husband, she got married,
she has kids. Everything is aboutappearance. It doesn't matter if you're actually
happy, as long as everything elseis in order. And it does seem
like that starts to shift eventually inthe Flash Forwards, but for the most

(02:23:07):
part, like clearly they do notprioritize happiness, right, It's just it's
an interesting dynamic. And same thingwith Moisten Shirley. Yeah, they I
think are a little bit better atit. Yeah. I think that Moisten
Shirley would have been in the happygroup in their own school. Oh yeah,

(02:23:28):
thinks back to them watching Danny Stevenson Gordon Ford's count and like just
grinning back and forth at each other, cracking up and repeating jokes like they
absolutely would be running and dancing aroundthat table. Yeah right, exactly.
Oh yeah, especially especially Shirley.I could totally see Shirley would love to
see it. They should go visitethanol and she would bring a sandwich,

(02:23:52):
do you? Yeah? Right,yeah? She Surele's favorite pulling out purse
snacks. Yeah, her favorite subjectin school was snack. Remember remember the
line that she's when um, whenGordon Ford or when Danny Stevens is saying,
oh well, I like writing youdon't have to wear pants and moisten,
Sureley just howl with laughter and Surelyit was just like you you don't

(02:24:13):
wear pants? I that was sogood. Maybe that reminded me exactly of
my mom's a she oh exactly,sorry, okay, continue Erico, No
I faked them. We even talkedabout this a little bit later. Is
that when Astrid started question like whatif our children are dumb and they just
started crying, which he heard Ethancombined he started clucking. It was just

(02:24:37):
oh, I was just gonna saywhen he said when he says she ruined,
he ruined the bloodline. And Astridwas like, oh no, really,
she's so freaked out about this,And did you guys catch that?
Asterrod said, I haven't listened toanything he said in two months, like
they're not doing great. Noah's Noah'snot doing great. Yeah, but they're

(02:24:58):
doing they know, like you havethe babies, you have the marriage,
like, you do what you're supposedto do. And as you know,
Ashtood seems a little better though thanshe did before. She's a little less
nervous. I don't know that's true. Really, she looked so there was
something maybe yeah, maybe that waswhat she looked more put together like for

(02:25:22):
whatever. It was like the makeup, the hair was really working, and
that distracted. We talked about thisear, but that distracted me. I
was like, astro looks good.What did they do different? Like her
hair looks great. Her main focusis a little different. Maybe she's just
on baby making. But no,like we even went before they had kids,
she just always was like focusing onJudaism and just focusing on like her

(02:25:43):
marriage and being the perfect wife andthe perfect you know, Jewish person.
And then you know the pressure shemust put and then when they add high
um, and then she was justlike the sleep deprived first time mom,
you know, crying and but howoften do you all? Yeah, very
damn day. She's so concerned inthis. She was like, what if

(02:26:05):
our daughter is too is stupid too? When we have too a dummy's running
around the house and no oneh goes, well, at least they can be
friends with Ethan, but then Joel. But then Joel steps in and I'm
sorry you guys this, I'm likesuch a I sound like such a Joel
lover. O God, because greatin this scene. Joel, in this
scene, the way that he justhis son. Yes, and Midge too.

(02:26:26):
They were like, there is nothingwrong with being happy at all.
Fuck off, No, this isfine. Yeah, they get one point
in the parenting column yea for doingYeah, right right, that's true.
They do. Joel's reaction to Abe, like when he was just like,
what didn't I tell you? Likewe talked about this and Joel was like,
you were serious? Yeah, Likehe's like, what have you done

(02:26:48):
to your son? Have you beentalking to him? Poppy? Poppy,
you're acting crazy. I assure you, this is not an act. That
was such That's good. Oh god. Yeah, this whole thing, everything
in that scene, the breakfast sceneand the school scene definitely saved this episode

(02:27:09):
for me. I think if wehad not had these lovely Tony Shalou moments
with everyone else, I would havebeen yeah, yeah, not gonna lie.
Yeah, I just saw in mynose. And when when he was
talking to Joel at Columbia and hewas going over all the people that they
had in the in the First BornMale book. We've got doctors, lawyers,

(02:27:31):
scientist, kings, at least oneoboist, five writers, an archaeologist,
and one very creative murderer. Thatwas my favorite. Yeah. I
was just like, tell me more. Yeah, what did they do?
Yeah? I need to know moreabout this. We read that book.
Yeah, all right, guys,I think that that's all that we have.

(02:27:54):
The only thing that I feel likeI didn't call out enough is this
Hank is Arrow And actually I dowant to talk about the ending of the
whole show with that little sitcom ending, because okay, I do want to
say hankas Area is so talented andlike him on the Gordon Ford Show,
he delivered that speech about his familyso brilliantly. That was not easy,

(02:28:20):
y'all like to talk about to makewhat he's doing is like making you know,
this dark side of his family andhis life and his upbringing funny.
And that's what a comedian does.Like there's no comedian that doesn't have a
fucked of life, you know,right, he talked about the Holocaust,
He like his dad and killing twokids, like, yeah, and that

(02:28:46):
is skill. Yeah, not thekilling, not the mom running over his
dad part, the right making it. Surely his reaction in that moment she
goes is that, oh, oh, is that supposed to be funny?
I loved that because I'm like,that would have been me. But yeah,
he just had a really hard jobHankers Area in this episode, and

(02:29:09):
he did so well. I justI just don't feel like I said that
enough. So Hankers Area, yourock. And Okay, I'm gonna say
my hot take on how I feelabout this Black and White sitcom ending.
I loved it right, Like everyone'ssaying, Oh, Sutton Foster so underused,

(02:29:30):
Yes, definitely underused, Like therewasn't room or time enough for it.
I wish that they we'd gotten heron this show in a way where
she could have actually interacted with thecast. That would have been awesome.
I assume that she couldn't because ifyou're if it's Sutton Foster, you gotta
give her something big. You know. It's like the reason why they had
to write Stephanie Shoe out because nowshe's like Stephanie Shoe Like, you can't

(02:29:52):
just give her a side part.You know she's got to if you're not
gonna give her something huge to do, Like, what are you doing?
So Sutton Foster coming on for this. I'm really happy that she did,
because she was brilliant in it,and her chemistry with Hankersaria was beautiful.
It felt like I was really watchinga sitcom. But but but but there's
a butt. I couldn't big ofa butt. It's a pretty big there's

(02:30:18):
a decent size, but um,because I couldn't help but think I would
have rather had you spend these fiveminutes. We got five whole precious television
minutes on the third to last episodeof The Marvelous Missus Maisel that Ever Will
be Ever, And we're doing thisand we're listening to Hankersaria beautifully sing,

(02:30:41):
and I loved it. It wasfucking delightful. But I kind of would
have rather seen Midges stand up,just just saying that's just ya mean too,
Yeah, mean too. I watchedyou a lot to see if I
could find some meaning in it.He asked me too, to try to
read deep. I watched the creditsI think three times, just to see
if Midge's name was in it,just to see if maybe she became a

(02:31:03):
scriptwriter and it didn't And are theyhiding an Eastern Yeah? I was looking,
and I know, like and itwas the same episode that started in
the beginning to the end, soit kind of you know, full circle
Sandwich Todd book ends there. ButI mean, I know there was like
this whole like the father, thedaughter, you know, where we're the

(02:31:24):
parenting more, parenting more, youknow. I gually, I truly believe
that this was Yes, it wason theme and it was perfect for that
reason. But I truly believe thatthis was done. If I were to
ask Amy Sherman Palladino's spirit about whydid you do this, Amy Sherman Palladino,
because this is Amy Sherman Palladino's episode, y'all. And let me just
say it shows like this was soguilt. This was problematic in the way

(02:31:50):
that Gilmore Girls is problematic exactly.I think that's what irritated it is It's
like I've seen this ship before,Guys like you have not learned earned yeah
a ton, Well, it's likethe you know, look, we love
the musical scenes like I loved StarsHollow the musical back in a year in
the life, but it did dragon, and it wasn't scene was long,

(02:32:15):
and it wasn't the third to lastepisode of The Marvelous Missus Basil.
So yes, So if I couldask Amy Sherman Palladino, why did you
do this, Amy Sherman Palladino,I'm pretty sure she would say, because
it's my fucking dream to do afucking black and white sitcom with fucking Sutton
Foster and Hankers Area because they rockat it and like, eat it,
you will enjoy it. Just showit, just eat it. She just

(02:32:37):
wanted us to fucking two of thesethings because they want to enjoy it,
and they're just like good guys forenjoy it. Too good for you,
Amy Sherman Palladino, I applaud youliving yo best life, because she truly
was. She was having the timeof her life writing this and it shows,
and so like, I don't hateit, It's not what I'm saying,
it's just two more episodes to go. I would have rather had more

(02:33:01):
Midgeon Susie. Maybe we'll get somesuper size episodes of the finale, hopefully
or so. I am curious whatthe run time is going to be for
the last two episodes. I knowmost of us are probably hoping for super
size, longer episode at longer,this one was over an hour. Yeah,

(02:33:22):
I was really excited when I sawthat, and then at the end
we turned out that, yeah,of a random show. But I looking
at IMDb, which you know,could be wrong. For both episodes eight
and nine of this last season,it's saying the run time is fifty seven

(02:33:43):
minutes, which is pretty standard.We shall see. I hope it's a
very very informative fifty seven minutes.I have no doubts. All right,
we are going to do news andlistener feedback, but it has been brought
to my attention that since we dohave such a long podcast and this week

(02:34:07):
it's going to be super duper long, because we got a lot of feedback
and we had a lot of thoughts. There was a lot to get through
on this one. There was alot. So hopefully you liked it,
Hopefully you didn't think it was toonegative, and yeah, I hope that
you guys do listen to the feedbackin the news parts. But someone did
say, like it's possible that peoplemight dip off after you guys are done

(02:34:28):
with the actual coverage of the episode, and I'm like, you know what,
You're right, So I'm gonna saywe should do closing little messages and
telling you guys where you can findus and all that jazz. We're going
to do that before we do ourlistener feedback in our news So if you
have feedback to share and if youwant to contribute to the conversation, which

(02:34:50):
I really really really hope that youdo because we love it so much.
And guys, the listener feedback likeenhances I was so much fun. I
was like really tired today, wewere all like exhausted today and before recording,
and I started to go looking throughthe feedback and it got me so
jazzed and so excited to podcast becausehearing what you guys say about it,

(02:35:13):
it not only does it like makeme think and brought in my own thoughts,
it makes me feel like we're alla family, like we're all in
this together, guys. So Idon't know, I have the we have
the best listeners like of any podcastever, because yeah, it's it's so
much fun to hear what other peopleare thinking. And there have been a

(02:35:35):
couple of feedback posts that we've gottenthat have, you know, changed my
mind or really influenced how I wasseeing the show. So I love it.
Please continue to send it in.I love that it's basically like a
conversation that we can have back andforth, even if there's like a week
in between a conversation. Absence makesthe heart grow fonder. And if you

(02:35:56):
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(02:36:20):
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We also newly have an Instagram andthat's at perfectly Marvelous Cast and you can
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(02:36:41):
and we really want to hear yourthoughts, especially as the series is coming
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(02:37:05):
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Yeah, and please, if youwant us to continue to cover the
Marvelous, missus mazel and by that, I'm obviously we're going to continue to
cover the fifth season. But ifyou want us to keep going and do
a whole season, rewatch you watch, Yes, give us those downloads,
let us know that you will continueto listen, and tell us you know

(02:37:28):
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(02:37:50):
takes like two little seconds, twoseconds to just hit those five stars,
So just do it. Do itnow, go go do it. And
Okay, now let's get into ourlistener feedback. So Anya, you losers
who want to you know, dipoff and just go be like piece,
we don't want to listen to thefeedback. I just the reason that I
will not. Like people have saidyou should probably separate your listener feedback because

(02:38:11):
you have so much of it,separate it into another whole episode, and
I'm like, yeah, I'm notgoing to do that because there are several
reasons, because it's easier for meto edit, to have it all in
one episode, like editing more thanone episode. I know, I sound
like lazy, but guys like wehave jobs, like I'm a starving artist,
and it takes a really long timeto edit, and yeah, making

(02:38:33):
two episodes is just like it's it'snot feasible. And I also I also
think though that that the continuation ofthe discussion, like when we read the
feedback, we often have new thoughtsand we often oh, yeah, we
forgot commenting that or you know,so it feels like it's really part of
it and including all of this feedpeople have said like you should probably scale

(02:38:54):
it back, and like only saythe big important stuff or just read the
emails, and I'm like, no, but every little bit counts. And
I want you all to know thatwe hear you, and we see you
and we love you. So that'swhy, that's why the podcast is the
way that it is, and itain't gonna change. So we're used to
wear bitches, no, no,but really get used to it. So

(02:39:18):
okay, let's do it. We'regonna start with some emails. So this
one is from Joan Styre and shesent us two emails this week, but
one she sent just a hair toolate last week. I missed it.
I'm so sorry, Joanne. Idon't know if it was because she sent
it later just because I'm an idiotand I didn't check. But she said

(02:39:39):
Episode six was the most gut wrenchingepisode so far. The scene in the
synagogue with Midge and Susie was hardto watch and heartbreaking. I never wanted
to see them so vicious toward eachother. I completely I understand completely why
Midge was so furious at Susie.She had every right to be. Susie
should keep her in the loop abouther finances, not to mention her life
could be in danger this whole time. If Susie would have been honest from

(02:40:00):
the beginning, maybe Midge could havehelped her get out from under the mob.
The whole scene left me very wearyand sad for both of them.
Yes, at first I didn't lovethis episode. I thought there was way
too much flash forwarding for me.I wanted to see more in nineteen sixty
one Missus Mazel. But then Irealized, if we're going to find answers
about these characters, then this isa brilliant way to tell it. It
was a lot to digest, butit gave us answers to a lot of

(02:40:22):
questions. What saved this episode forme was Alex Sportstein's performance. Indeed,
I agree she is deserving of anotherEmmy. Abs of fucking lutely for my
marvelous moment, it was when Tesscame out to roast her sister. Yes,
more people love I see, I'mnot alone. When she burst into
songs, singing her disco hit thatwent all the way to number eighty five

(02:40:46):
on the charts, I lost it. That was my biggest laugh out loud
moment. Indeed mine too. Thatscene was the comic relief that we needed
to a dark and dreary episode.I also had all kinds of feelings when
Midd showed up in the video.I knew there was no way we were
not going to see Midge in someway or another. I have hope that
we will see the meeting and reconciliationof Mitgen Susie in a future episode.
Maybe that will be the last sceneof the series. Thank you and good

(02:41:09):
night, jo Anne. Oh,thank you, Joanne. And as I'm
sure you heard since you listened tothe episode by now, we agree with
just about everything you say. Soour next bit of feedback comes from Nikki
Lacy says one more theory, andthis is about the last episode, the
test a Rosteal. She said,Hello, ladies, I'm loving the pod.
It makes my workday go by somuch faster, and I'm enjoying how

(02:41:33):
in detail you all get. Iwish some of my other pods would get
into it a bit more. Theyalways miss so much that much that I
wish they would touch on, Butyou ladies really cover it. Keep up
the marvelous work. We really getinto it, said onto my theory on
that ending. Upon my viewing,my first thought was, no, Susie

(02:41:56):
don't take that walk, get intothe limo. Nothing good can come of
this walk. That's funny, itsounds familiar. We think great minds,
great minds, Nikki, she said, my brain just kind of went something
tells me the mob set up thisroast as sort of a let's give her
one last hurrab before the end.Let's hope this is wrong. That is

(02:42:18):
an interesting take. Wow, Wow, that would be wild. I'm afraid
of that. Yeah, I'm afraidof that. Yeah, she still like
owes them. I like it.That's that's a fun theory. And she
goes on to say, after listeningto your pod, Kara shown a big
ass light on a lot of things, and I was like, oh shit,

(02:42:39):
yeah, that makes a lot ofsense. I immediately had to agree
with Jade and be like, canwe stop with the cancer. I was
also a dead to me watcher andsobs so bad in that final episode.
And I just finished Firefly Lane liketwo weeks ago. Oh gosh, I
just finished that too. I haven'twatched it. Yeah that was rough,

(02:43:00):
she said, And I also spentan entire day bawling over that. So
going this route, which I thinkis the most likely scenario, breaks my
heart fuck cancer. I agree,Nikki, she said, Now onto my
theory. Now I know Jade saysthat it doesn't have to do with Joel.
I'm going to play the but whatif it does? Card? So

(02:43:22):
what if the reason why Joel isout within five years is because he is
terminally ill, so they're letting himout like a compassionate release. I guess
she's talking about so he can bewith loved ones when he passes. We
saw from the prison I cannot talkright now. We saw from the prison
flashback that he tells Midge Susie wouldhate this for you, or something along

(02:43:43):
those lines. We know he getsinvolved with a mob to get Midge out
does time, But I mean,I don't feel like prison gets him out.
I'm assuming she means, like theprison isn't just letting him out for
serving his time. She said,maybe Midge starts selling off and auctioning all
her things to put towards that debt. She's inherited Joel's debt and to save

(02:44:07):
it from being pushed onto her kids. It falls into her lap as a
dying wish, Joel wants Midge toreconcile with Susie because no matter how he
feels about Susie. He knows theonly other person in this world that would
have Midge's back besides him is Susie, and he wants Midge to be taken
care of once he passes. Sorry, if this was a ramble, no

(02:44:28):
worries. We do that from timeto time. But it was just something
that was going through my head andI had to wait until I got home
to write it all out and sendit to you. Lovely ladies. Can't
wait for the next episode tit's up. I would never have thought of that
like, and it's an interesting one. And there were a couple things your

(02:44:48):
feedback made me think of. Onewith the cancer scenario, I after,
you know, I don't want tospoil Dead to Me or Firefly Lane,
but obviously there's cancer related themes inthose shows. But with the reveal that
Rose is somehow sick, and weknow that Esther was looking into you know,

(02:45:15):
DNA mutations and how that affects disease, I wonder if it's My first
thought was unfortunately breast cancer that Rosehas got it, Midge ends up having
breast cancer and Esther could be youknow, looking into this for herself,
for her mom for the women andher family in general. But the jole

(02:45:37):
aspect of it would definitely be unexpected, and I would not hate that.
I do think that his five years, his five year sentence is consistent with
what people would typically get for moneylaundering in white collar crimes and things like
that. But I don't know.The idea of a compassionate release would be

(02:46:00):
an interesting one to explore. Yeahfor sure. Yeah, that was awesome,
NICKI thank you so much. Thatwas That was amazing all right.
Next we have Richard Politic, atiny fallow up on The Gordon Ford Show.
George is modeled after fred Let's say, fred D Cordova, producer of
The Carson Show. He was old, old, old, old school show

(02:46:24):
biz and a solid pine and heass to most of his staff. Check
out his bio or a glimpse intothe world surrounding late night in the sixties
and seventies. Also watch the freddieD Korva. Oh I can need to
talk to the freddie D Cordova showsketch on set V. Oh, yes,
I love that show. It's onYouTube. Then watch every SETV video

(02:46:45):
available of Yes, we do needto do that. Some for some good
like Rick moranis and John Candy.Yes, we definitely do if acts up
everything you do in your life andjust watch SETV on YouTube. Thank me
later, Thank you, Richard.We will do that, yeah tomorrow.
I had not even heard of this, you guys. I looked into this
and this is incredible. Like,this is the main cast included John Candy,

(02:47:07):
Robin Duke, Joe Flaherty, EugeneLevy, Andrea Martin, Rick moranis,
Katherine o'harah, my goddess Yea,Harold Ramas, Tony Rosado, Martin
Short, Dave Thomas, and Iespecially loved the one where Katherine O'Hara as
Brooke Shields and Rick moranis cross dressesas her mother. You guys, like,

(02:47:30):
I will put the link to thatin the description it is. This
is phenomenal. Thank you so muchRichard for bringing this up. Brilliant,
wonderful. Okay, Aaron Anastasia says, love the show, ladies. I
enjoy long podcasts. Well you've cometo the red place. The longer the
better for me, and I loveMazel, so your show is perfect for
me. I enjoy listening to youall break down every episode. You do

(02:47:52):
a fantastic job. So thanks forthat. You had asked for a show
suggestions, and I think if youhaven't seen it yet, you would kill
Schmigadoon podcast. Heard of this,did I hear? Did I hear?
My lament that I need to gopray to the Saints of Broadway and tell
them oh for forgiveness because I havenot yet gotten to Schmiga Dune and I

(02:48:18):
feel very very bad about it.I feel guilty. Penance. I will
do penance, Okay, So Aaron, Aaron says, um, as far
as I can find, there isn'tany anyone currently covering the show, and
I really think you might like it, especially since you all seem to love
the musical episode of Marvelous Business.Maisil keep doing what you do so well.
Thanks, thank you, Aaron.That was fabulous. I gotta watch

(02:48:39):
Megadoon man. Yeah, that Ido a gree Schmigadoon is very Oh.
I'm so excited. I'm so excitedto check this out. So next up
is Barbara Prisco. She said,Hi, I'm listening to your marvelous podcasts
and I have to take the otherside in the fight between Susie and May

(02:49:00):
in the synagogue. Yes, Susieis a gambling addict and had all of
these debts to pay to the mobin Vegas and New York and god knows
where. But in their fight,I thought Midge came off as bitterly ungrateful
for everything Susie had done for hersince day one. Every time Midge got
a break of any sort, sheshot herself in the foot and ruined everything

(02:49:20):
that's true, and Susie kept fixingit and propelling her hire. Maybe all
those touring dates happened to pay offSusie's gambling debts, but somehow throughout all
that, Midge managed to make moremoney than God for herself and become America's
sweetheart. It is my opinion thatMidge's anger in the fight was fueled by

(02:49:41):
Joel's dislike for Susie communicated through thatletter. I am definitely team Susie in
that fight. Now I have towatch the episode for a third time to
see if I still agree. Andshe laughed with exclamation marks that tits up.
I will say, I did getthe impression when Midge was going,

(02:50:07):
you know, continuously touring at thecasinos and doing the what was it like
three shows a night, six nightsa week was after she had already made
it because she said something about beingon tour for fifteen years. But other
than that, I mean, yeah, that's I think that's kind of the
brilliance of the writing in this caseis how people can feel so strongly for

(02:50:31):
one side or the other, andthere are so many legitimate points that can
be made. And it's true likeMidge definitely has Susie to think for her
career. Susie was not wrong aboutthat. Midge is talented, yes,
but Susie saw that talent and ithelped her get her foot in the door.

(02:50:54):
It was definitely kind of a perfectstorm of circumstances with both of their
Yea, Ford didn't discover shit,Yeah I found her. Come on,
bitch, please didn't not? Okay, next one? All right? So,
joe Anne Steyer writes back to Us, Episode seven was mostly about the
grandkids. I think the actor thatplays Ethan is adorable, and so is

(02:51:18):
Esther. Great casting. Yes,we agree. I could picture each of
them as Jolie Midge's kids. It'sit's obvious that Esther does not like her
mom. That was evident and sucha funny scene when Midge was trying to
comb her hair and she squirmed thewhole time. Vanes that Esther as Zelda
to fix her hair. Very goodpoint. I was thinking back on the
other episodes when Esther got out ofMidge's bed and went back to her own

(02:51:41):
bed. She never really liked her. I believe her dislike started back at
the Catskills when she was left inthe car. So bad. That was
so bad. Yeah, there wassome type of like maybe they didn't connect,
you know, there was some ofseparation. And when she was growing

(02:52:01):
and developing that she she was morecloser to Zelda. It was more month
I hope not sick. Oh,that better not happen. Who no,
okay, all right. That's Asfor Ethan, he had issues from the
beginning. Remember the episode early onin the show and Midge wakes up of
the him staring at her. Thatwas eerie. Now he is part of

(02:52:24):
a happy group quote unquote at hisgrade school. Abe is up to his
school to see this and this upset. He is much hot. He had
much higher expectations for him. Allthe Whiteman men were high achievers. It
doesn't look that way for poor Ethan. There's a lot to discuss in his
episode. For instance, Susie iswearing better suits, Midge is getting paid
the same as a man doing thesame job. That was a topical issue

(02:52:46):
still being discussed today. But I'llskip to my favorite part, my favorite
Mazel moment. My favorite Mazel momentwas the scene when Midge comes home from
the Jack car showcase. She isupset she got passed over for a man,
even though it was obvious she dida better job. It was a
misogynist world, but then again,it was the sixties misogynistic thank you.

(02:53:07):
So, as Abe is trying toconsole her in the bathroom, he hears
the piano playing. He walks downthe hallway with pride on his face,
expectancy eat them playing, his faith. His face quickly turns to dismay as
he sees Esther's is playing perfectly andwith expertise. I love that scene and
felt that the contrast from mission thebathroom crying over losing a job to a

(02:53:28):
man, to Esther, the granddaughterthat is not expected to be smart or
talented. She is a girl andnot to be seen, but there she
is, with all her glory,intelligence and talent. That that was my
most marvelous moment. Thank you andgood night, Joanne. Thank you so
much, Joanne. Oh delightful.It was Okay. So the next email

(02:53:50):
we got, I'm not going toread the whole thing. I do just
want to say it's from Mattel Macadiaand thank you for this email, because
it is all about like the waysthat we could do better with podcasting,
and there's like all this peppered inwe love you like but I love your
podcast, and they're saying that theum that the podcast is lovely and when

(02:54:11):
one day when we become like richand famous, you know we're gonna be
you know, better, and we'llhave better equipment and everything. So yes,
I apologize if there's any like,you know, if you can't hear
us all properly, or you know, we're all doing the best we can
with like you know, the limitedbudget and everything. So we're always looking
to do better. Though if youhave suggestions of how we can do better

(02:54:33):
as podcasters, we will definitely takethose suggestions happily, especially if they're sprinkled
in with all this love that Metalis giving us here. Um. And
I do just have to say though, that one thing that they said was
um, that we don't have togush over everything so much, and I'll
say, Okay, that mean likethat they're saying we could be more critical

(02:54:54):
and if you really really love thisshow though, when you start to podcast
on it, it's really hard notto gush. We always say we're gonna
try not to. It's really hardnot to. But this episode is hardtal.
This episode was for you, babe, because we did nothing but criticize
it. So I hope that youenjoy it. Okay, So now we

(02:55:15):
have a voice message from my favoritelittle girl, Melanie Brown. Are like
little fourth co host at this point, you know, And she said it
was it's this one's pretty long.Feel free to edit it never I will
never edit you. So here isher feedback. It's Melanie, Um calling
in for feedback for oh gosh,episode seven. Right. Uh, what's

(02:55:41):
a very strange title and yeah,whatever lame horses. Yes, that's my
husband, h oh Hi. Myname is Michael. Hi, Michael,
Michael and um we watched together.Um, what did you think of this
episode? It was all right.I feel like it probably was just setting

(02:56:03):
up the end of the series,setting up the Grandma death, like all
of them. Well, I thinka. I think Abe ghost pretty soon,
like I don't know they even rememberthinking it. Tony shlivosso time like
he was out of breath, andI don't think Tony schlu batal of breath.
I think that Abe might even outof breath. And I'm like,

(02:56:26):
oh no, the Emmy heart problems. I don't this might be crazy and
I don't want to really go there, but no, don't go. I
was like, are you sick oris this some sort of character thing though
I don't know, I mean,we don't know it. Yeah, that's
true. True. One thing Ifound this episode weird um but also a

(02:56:50):
little bit triggering. So I haveADHD and kids don't all developed at the
same time, but they deserve tobe taught and to have their minds,
you know, moved and educated ina way that will help them flourish.

(02:57:15):
And you know, oh that thesekids are just a happy group, and
you know, and these other kidslike they're being told oh, because they're
smart or they social sort of aptitudefor a certain field, they have to
sit there and be like little zombiesall day. It was really rather upsetting
to me. And the thing is, I would love to say that this

(02:57:37):
is all a joke and this neverhappens. But when I was a little
girl at a private school, becauseI had trouble concentrating, I would distract
the other kids, that kids thatwere you know, quote unquote normal.
I was put in the hallway orin the coat closet often, and I

(02:58:00):
said, so much time there,you know, And I finally had this
amazing, amazing teacher. She wasactually a nun, but she was so
so amazing. She was she wasa badassbut guys, and she told my
mom in the very early nineties aboutAdhd and that you know, she can

(02:58:22):
be really successful and and she canlearn, and there's things that you can
do to help them. And Igot the help I needed because of her.
By that point, I was alreadyvery behind. It was like the
third grade. A lot of myeditors kids, and it's I was playing
ketchup and I when I saw likethe kids, you know, the happy

(02:58:45):
group, just being you know,sentenced to run around a table and make
a mess, and upsets me andup sends three and it sends me to
the core. And I and Ithink it's really interesting because you know,
when Midge and Joel had that conversationabout what school Ethan should go to.

(02:59:05):
Joel suggests to go to a normalkids school, you know, and I
think Joel was right. I thinkJoel was right ultimately. And I'm not
saying the private schools, you know, I had both bad and good examples
at private schools, but I thinkat school that nurtures kids at their level,
Joel was right, and Mitch wasseeing probably what she was being told

(02:59:28):
that all the wife Finn boys arejust brilliant. But you know, Joel
spensifit more time with their son,knew that their son was just fairly normal.
But there's nothing wrong with being normal, and there's nothing wrong with having
these scientific aptitudes and things like that. But it's like there's nothing wrong if

(02:59:50):
you don't have that. I wastalking to Michael and I said that Ethan
has he ends up becoming a rabbi, and rabbis, you know, minister
for better love or hate him inany religion. They have a you know,
a flair for dramatics. So likehe probably got more the artistic side

(03:00:11):
from his mom and esther got themore analytical and intelligent brain obviously from her
grandparents and a little bit from herdad too. That kind of both ways.
Joel kind of has both, butI yeah, that was just something
I don't know. It was justreally weird. But I like the way
it went there because at the time, you're led to believe that Midge was

(03:00:33):
right in that conversation, and ultimatelyI think the message here is maybe she
wasn't and you know, they probablymade a mistake, and maybe they should
get him out of a school.And that's why, beyond you know that
he's not a genius, why Aimis so mad because they're not doing shit
to educate him. So sorry forthe language, Sorry for length. I

(03:00:56):
hope you guys have a good weekend, Happy letter safe, there's any mothers
are to all the letters are listening. How a great pay guys. Thank
you Melanie. Oh my gosh,I can I can? I just jump
in really quick? Um, Melanie, thank you so much for sharing that.
UM. I'm a parent of twochildren with autism, and I also

(03:01:18):
I work in the field, soUM, I could see how triggering that
is. I'm sorry you had thatexperience. I'm so happy how far we've
common education and how we are treatingour children like children. And you know,
when we were talking about this earlierI said, like, you know,
we were talking like could this possiblybe a group that may have needed

(03:01:41):
more things, but also like justlet them be kids, And you're absolutely
right, and thank you for sharingthat, and it's you know, we
appreciate that. Yeah, thank youso much, Melanie for every week sending
us fending us voice messages. Thanksyou so happy. I love it,
and I love the way that shemade me think about that scene totally differently,
because like I said, I wentright to because I'm reading myself into

(03:02:05):
it probably like happiness as an allegoryfor gay you know, and I'm not
that I even know that that's exactlywhat the writers were intending, but that's
like what I got from it.I love how like you can you can
get different messages out of the samesituation. Absolutely, thank you. So
you know what that reminds me ofJade, the conversation that they had after

(03:02:26):
the play the abes old co workerabout how Abe sees all of these things
in the play and the symbols,and I'm Roses, like, no,
it's about a doubt, Like yeah, it matters, like art is how
you perceive it, Like that's notwrong. Everybody can find different things and
full circle, right circle, andthey could just be kids who are just

(03:02:48):
enjoying like Montasori schools. Montasori schoolsare about just kind of exploring and being
a kid in choices, right So, but yeah, when it's like those
the nine types of intelligence sort ofthing where you know there's logical anyway,
that's a whole other. But thankyou Eleny for bringing that up because it's

(03:03:09):
important. Yes, Okay. Thenext batch of feedback is from our new
Instagram account, people leaving it there, which we really appreciate. The first
is from user seven eight four mZ said, Well, as a former
newspaper reporter, I knew when Abesaw his first paycheck he was going to

(03:03:33):
be shocked, and his writer's egowas so on point. Love you,
Tony. You can always tell ifan actor does a one of a kind
portrayal by picturing another actor in thesame part. If you can't picture that,
then the actor has owned the role. You owned it, mister Shalhoub.
That is I agree, and I'venever thought of that before. So

(03:03:54):
yeah, I like that. Ilike that perspective. You are dead on
perfect way to describe it, becauseno one else could play Abe ever,
No okay. Beach Gal two onetwo says, I do have to say
one flaw about Abe, not Tony, was the way Abe was written.
A true Jewish grandpa would never getannoyed at his grandchildren or tell them they're
making too much noise. And JessShone in nineteen seventy six says, OMG,

(03:04:20):
I'm watching right now all those fuckinghats. Oh they were so good
hats. And doc World Film saidso wonderful listening right now? Yeah,
I was, Yeah, but I'msorry. I was going to shout out
doc World Film. Uh shared ourpodcast and Instagram in their story, shout

(03:04:46):
out there. We appreciate it.Thank you so much. Zarina Tah,
I don't I can't do that lastname, Taha, Sarah Cole there it
is perfect. Sorry, thank you, ladies. I know you, ladies
love Alex Borstein. I've heard yousay several times that you want more of

(03:05:07):
her. You should check out herstand up show, corsets and clown suits
if you haven't already. I thinkyou ladies would enjoy the heck out of
it. She's so very talented.Thank you so much for covering marvelous missus
Maisel. I needed that I lovedit, Serena, absolutely right. If
you guys have not watched Corsets andclown Suits, watch it. It's on
Amazon. It's amazing. And itwas filmed at the Wolfer before it was

(03:05:28):
set down, which I thought wasso cool, so cool. It's so
sad though, yeah, that theyknocked that set down, but because it
was a gorgeous set. Yes,it's great, it's great. All right,
we're moving on to our podcast withthe feedback, so Alicia Stout does.
Oh gosh, how I loved thisepisode so much fun and so many
time jumps that Fielding Gaps must watchit again at least two more times.

(03:05:52):
Of all the episodes this season,I think this one reminded me the most
of the earlier seasons when Mitch wasbecoming a comic and we got to see
her perform. I didn't realize howmuch I missed that error, and this
episode definitely brought on the funny.Yeah, yeah, I did. My
most marvelous moment is actually two moments, but they merged together since they are
back to back scenes. Over hearingshe couldn't perform on Jack Parr, Mitch

(03:06:13):
walks up and gives her big shiningmoment to James how deflating was at to
watch. It was not only abig girl pick yourself up by the panties
moment, but a class act andtook a lot of courage to do.
As I watched, I was thinkingto myself if I did that, I
would start crying my head off themoment I walked out the door a last
she held a longer than and didit when she got home and into her

(03:06:35):
bathroom. My second moment was rightafter that, when Abe hears the piano
playing and walks in on his geniusgranddaughter instead of grandson and has this eye
opening, bright eyed moment. AWeissman girl is a genius. This moment
was such a huge contradiction after justseeing Mitch be shot down for being a

(03:06:56):
woman comic, I literally just wantedto scream in my TV and say,
yes, take that, bitches.Also just wanted to say how much I
thoroughly enjoy all the three and ahalf hours of this podcast. L Like
all other PODCASTSICA pods, I feellike I am having a direct conversation with
y'all through my car radio, andwe'll find myself at times talking out loud

(03:07:18):
as if I'm there with you.Thank goodness, I'm alone ha ha.
Keep up the good work. Andyes, I'm also on board for only
murders in the building tit's up withwho Oh my gosh. I just want
to talk like specifically to all ofour listeners and like talk about everything that
they've been Thank you so much,Alisha, Alesha, Right, that's how
you saying, yeah, thank you, Alicia. Oh Alisha. Yeah,

(03:07:41):
I'm okay, Alisha, thank you, thank you. I loved it.
Alicia's kind of fun to say,Alicia, this is why and I've never
seen that before. Okay. Nextup is from Jess Jones. Excuse me
said, hey easl Maven's This wasanother really great episode. I'm finally caught

(03:08:03):
up and writing in this week.Y'all are making a marvelous pod. I
went and answered your questions instead ofjust writing a rambling message. This list
of questions really helped me express somethingabout this episode. There's always so much
packed into each one. I neverknow where to start or what to say.

(03:08:24):
So thank you for that too.And I will say that was was
that Jade? I believe? Yeah? Yeah, I put up questions on
us because there are so many Ireally wanted to know the answers too,
you know, and everyone kind ofanswered most of them in like their own
way. But yeah, but sheanswered, so she said, okay,
First, starting with Abe's childrearing philosophy, she said, I thought he was

(03:08:45):
insane when I heard him talking aboutit, But then they show esther at
the end playing the piano like alittle savant, which I called before the
reveal me too. That one mademe. We can both give ourselves a
pat on the back, there said, and we already know that she is
a genius adult, So I guessAbe's a child whisperer who knew. But
can we come up with a betterword than happy for the normal or quote

(03:09:09):
unquote dumb kids. Maybe the circlegroup are in fact just normal kids that
aren't gifted like the rest of theclass, and they should probably just go
to a regular school so that theyat least learn the basics and don't feel
inadequate because they aren't solving complex equations. Yeah, I feel bad for Ethan
and his happy classmates. That's agood point. Poor kids. I mean,

(03:09:33):
they seem happy now, but weknow that developmentally. Midge and Rose,
she said, I'm shocked, no, But a little confused and thinking
something's up with their dynamic, butonly guessing right that it was because Rose
is sick and Midge is just lettingher mom live her best life until the
end, which is sweet but willprobably leave Midge without closure and make it

(03:09:56):
that much harder to moren when thetime comes. And then she's addressing Susie,
she said, I think I understandwhat she's trying to do and where
she's coming from, but then Ithink it's not the best idea for her
client, and he sure as shitdidn't agree or understand. I love the
black and white TV show At theend, who doesn't love an homage to

(03:10:18):
the classics and hank Azaria to boostShe also added that Gordon's rule is total
bullshit and he and his rule cansit and spin together. That's funny,
she said, As I said onthe IG account, my marvelous moment is
all those fucking hats at the parentteacher thing Abe went to. I absolutely

(03:10:43):
loved watching that parade of beautiful colorsof shapes and sizes passed behind Abe and
he got more agitated with the teachersabout his happy grandson, the King of
the happy kids. I was dyingall hail to Amy's love for hats.
Indeed, Yeah, you know thisthis made me think, Like I really,

(03:11:03):
until I heard Melanie's message, Inever thought of this happy classmate thing
as being insensitive in anyway. AndI just don't know how to feel about
it now, you know, LikeI don't want it to take away any
of the funny because it's so funny. And I don't think that it's you
know, pointing out any one groupin particular. That's just how I read
it. But it's funny because likeI, like I said, I read

(03:11:26):
the gay thing into it just becauseyou see what yourself and everything. You
know, it's crazy. Yeah,And also I don't think that. We
talked a lot about the fact thatGordon's rule is sticking even though George isn't
around anymore, and Susie was likereally bothered by that. She's like,
why he just fucking change the rule? Mike, like, just do change
it, and he's like I was, I haven't been here in this position
long enough. Like Also, heis never gonna feel like a father like

(03:11:52):
you know, George like discovered Gordon, so he's never gonna feel like Mike
is never gonna feel like he's he'sabove Gordon in any way, so he's
right to be able to call Georgeactually found him right right, So it's
like that's why Susie's like it's nevergoing to happen, and yeah, yes,
indeed. Well thank you so much, Jess. That was incredible.
I'm so glad that you're caught upand you're with us now. Okay,

(03:12:15):
So now from the Gaslight group,this is like such a good group on
Facebook. By the way, y'alllike, if you guys want to get
in on this action. I lookmy Gaslight babes. I love you guys.
I feel like we're a family.So I put up a post for
a Mother's Day saying, you know, this episode was so well timed for
Mother's Day because we got so muchfamily quality of time, and I wanted
to know what everyone's favorite Rose orShirley moment was, and so Ivan Karmo

(03:12:41):
said, I really liked the characterRose during her trip to Paris and when
she went to visit her family membersto redeem her funds. Shirley was priceless
during the Wiseman family's stay at herhome. She did everything to get the
family to leave. Yes, andA. J. Cruz said, Shirley
is always a best but she's agood mom. I was annoyed with Rosa's
inability to see Midge was struggling thisepisode and went on and on about the

(03:13:05):
carpet and her demands. I washoping there would be a moment where Rose
or even Abe actually parented gats.Yes, let's see. Debbie Sheppists said,
I love Shirley so much. Myfavorite Shirley scene is from Comedy or
Cabbage, when she's outside yelling toEthan listing what he can have for lunch.

(03:13:28):
Oh my gosh, that was sogood, naming all the different soups,
like I got chicken, I gottomatoo, I got tomato with vegetables,
I got pasta, I got pastawith vegetables, like on and on
and on. Oh god, Okay, I'm sorry. I'm not going to
stop anymore. I'll try not tostop. I want to talk to everybody,
damn it. Okay. So Beckycovialik Worlia says I think Rose may

(03:13:52):
have early onset Alzheimer's. Yeah,loosibility. Yeah, I could see it.
Okay, So then I put upMy most recent post with Abe was
like holding a pretzel stick, andOnusia Chimballe said, this picture reminds me
I really want to know what thatsnack was, and then Jackie Mayseek replied,

(03:14:13):
it's probably just peanut butter with pretzelsticks. Abe's kids probably never ate
it, so it's totally new foodto him. And Jane Letcher said,
that's what it looked like to me, some kind of pretzel sticks. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure it was like apretzel, a pretzel peanut peanut butter
dip. Yeah, and he's likecrutchy and creamy and nothing. It's a
very good snack. It's a verygood school. Oh gosh, I mean

(03:14:35):
that is a good combo peanut butterand pretzels. Francesca Mirror said, I
loved that the granddaughter is the prodigy. Yes, yeah, everyone's favorite moment.
Yeah. And Joseph, Yeah,Joseph A. Belcher said Chaloupe should
have won an Emmy every season forthis role. Indeed, Laurie Veniza,

(03:14:56):
I can't wait to hear you unpackedthis episode. It was awesome. Thank
you, Laurie, thank you singand Debbie sheppists and please correct us if
we're saying your name wrong. We'retrying, I promise, Yeah, she
said, how Tony Shalhoub doesn't crackup saying his lines is amazing. Seriously,
the whole happy group scene had mehowling yep. April Charles added that

(03:15:18):
Abe Weisman is excellently played by TonyShalhoub. Yes, so okay. So
now we have more from the Gaslightgroup, and we have a lot of
comments, like on Facebook, andI assume that everyone who comments on the
Facebook post wants their comment to beread, So that's why I want to
read them all. We're not goingto read the replies to the comments though,
So if you want your comment tobe read, just because it's getting

(03:15:43):
so out of control, like there'sjust so many. So if you want
your comment to be read, don'tmake it a reply to someone else's comment,
Just like make it your own comment, you know, and just at
the person. So okay, gettinginto it all right, a Nahi Belle
Maris. The way Midge expresses herselfabout Rose maybe a sign of terminal illness.
Indeed, Jane Letcher said, it'sfive o'clock in the morning. I'm

(03:16:05):
only fifteen minutes into the show,but I had to come here just to
say that I love Midge's coat asshe walks into work. I want that
coat. I must have that.I want the hat and I want Jade
to read the next one because it'ssome line reading. Oh okay, and
Jennifer Eileen says, is Susie reallylooking out for James or does Susie need

(03:16:26):
Midge on Jack Parr because she needsthe money to pay off gambling debts.
Rose obviously has a terminal illness.Jiminy crickets. Yes, then just lined
about equal pay for women was awesome. It was so good. I think
Gordon had something to do with withnot getting on the Jack par show.
Okay, another person thinks this favoriteline ignore Grandma, she's drunk and that
blue dress was by Yes, Jennifer, you're reading our minds. Yes,

(03:16:52):
bast Bison says, what's with Rose? Yeah, there's a lot of replies
to that one too, but wecan't get into it. Yeah. Justine
Sutton said in the midst in themidst of my second watch, really intrigued
by this episode. I'm enjoying thepieces we're given and knowing there are still
two more episodes to go to putthe puzzle together. That's some optimism.

(03:17:13):
Just yeah, well I'm optimistic.I am too, I really am.
Carol Aldridge Glover, Oh my,poor Midge, taking care and buck everyone.
Clara Singer says, Gordon's Ford's rule. I feel like he's so militant
about it. Is it out offairness? Because then everyone who works on
the show is going to want tobe on the show, and he doesn't

(03:17:35):
want to open up a can ofworms. I'm hoping that maybe Hetty changes
is mine for Susan. She iscredited in the next episode. Oh also,
Hetty Pan is credited in the nextepisode. I know, I got
so excited when I saw Hetty PanNo worst rabbit hole. Okay. Hailey
Bruce said, I think Gordon iskeeping the rule to pressure Midge into sleeping

(03:17:58):
with him. I didn't like thesitcom ending on the credics. I was
waiting for the joke. Yeah,I hear you. Mary McGrady Carver,
the Happy Group still laughing about thatone. It's good. Amy Winston says,
I have another question. Why wasn'tSutton Foster featured more in the episode?

(03:18:20):
Yeah, but she also did agreat job with that role that she
had. Oh yeah, that's true. Okay, Susan Marie said, I
thought Susie telling James it wasn't histurn was spot on. He may be
a rising star. Your manager issupposed to help guide you. She knows
he will be invited back on ashow like Jack Parr. Again, he's
a talented guy. It's really difficultto watch, knowing women in the work

(03:18:43):
world had it so tough. Thankgoodness we live in twenty twenty three.
That doesn't mean as women we stilldon't have a fight, but it's easier
somewhat Rose being sick. Maybe probablyI love that Esther has the talent.
This is proven to us in lateryears. She's smart. Ethan allows indirectly

(03:19:05):
women to boss him around. Midge. That's true, Midge, Zelda Rose
and his wife to me, thewife is the worst. I think Midge
would agree with me. There Abethinking that the men in the family are
so smart. What a shock itmust have been for him to realize it's
Esther funny to me is when Estherfunny to me is when Ethan was going

(03:19:28):
to go to school. Joel wantedEthan at the public school, yet Midge
said no because he tested so high. Did the writers forget that? Probably
Susie in a game which is actuallymore than a game. I love that
Shy's new manager was there. Thatwas a great throwback. That was a
great detail. Thank you, Susan. That was so good. It was

(03:19:52):
Alandi's Casey said, these episodes areloaded for bear. Can't take everything in
with one view, ache and hey, go on Esther with your bear though
Hey, yes, missy dot.I didn't find the episode confusing at all,
just the just setting the stage foreach of their endings. Possibly Ricky
Moon just caught up and now gettingthings together post cry Rose. I know

(03:20:16):
guys like oh this Rose duh thinkyou mean are noivous? Yeah, Laurie
Vezina says, I am loving thisseason and this podcast. Thank you,
Laurie. Here's an idea. MaybeEsther is trying to find a cure for
autism. Abe was pretty Aspergerish andEsther seems to have more treats. Perhaps
she wanted to interrupt the progression ofthe traits. That's an interesting thought.

(03:20:39):
Is an interesting thought. Jane Letchersays, why does Zelda have to keep
going over to the house to bailthem out of their incompetence? Are there
no more housekeepers in the entire cityof New York. Doesn't Zelda have any
friends she can recommend. It doesmake for more funny spots, but still
it is very unrealistic. Oh yeah, Jane, you're correct. Larry Peck

(03:21:01):
said, I liked Hank Azaria doingSheldon Leonard as Danny Thomas. I found
it funny that Abe had the bookof the generational successes of the first born
wise men men and seeing that Estheris the genius magic moment of the show.
I agree Susie, Well, shereally went to bat for Midge and
fell short with Jack Parr and latertrying to vince James to pass on the

(03:21:24):
show opportunity as opportunity, which iswhat didn't happen when Midge told Gordon about
the par thing, actually giving Gordonthe opportunity to give Midge her opportunity,
which could have done a lot forboth of them. I have to wonder
if Gordon called Jack Parr and convincedhim not to book her regardless of how

(03:21:46):
she did. The Black and Whitesitcom ending was okay. I feel it
didn't really add anything important to theepisode, although I enjoyed seeing Sutton Foster
and Hank Azaria a second time.Indeed, mum, this is from Stephen
B. Smith kated the black andwhite ending because it was aproposed to nothing

(03:22:07):
Number two. The whole back andforth rewit re Midge getting the tickets was
really played out then never explain seemslike lazy writing. We love everyone,
would love anyone's insights or comments onthe two perplexing pieces in this episode.
Thanks, yep, well we coveredit. We definitely did the whole um
Midge getting the tickets and everything.Yeah, you're not the only one who

(03:22:30):
thought that was played out, butI thought it was funny. Just me,
Brenda Leon Hearth, Dick Ladell.The final episode seemed totally unnecessary to
me. The one before where Susiewas walking home should have been the finale.
Leslie Clawson Brazier said, I wishMoish and Sheryl would have a spin

(03:22:52):
off. I love them, Yeah, they're really They're like it could be
fun there. I like Moistena andShirley better this season than I ever have
for some reason. Yeah, Iagree, they're very cute. Randy Sis
says, I thought Hankazarian Sutton Fostertotally nailed the whole early sixties black and
white sitcom. They were Robin,Laura, June and Ward and especially Danny

(03:23:16):
and Cathy from the Danny Thomas Showrolled into one Hank sitting down at the
piano and singing a sentimental song lovedNancy with a laughing face. Haven't heard
that in a long time? Waspure Danny Williams. Tina Marie Hines says,
I think that they had Danny Stephenssinging the Nancy song because the show
was deeply about daughters. It startedout with the Mazals saying they're glad they

(03:23:37):
didn't have a daughter in front oftheir little granddaughter and yeah, and then
when we have the whole episode whereAbe is totally overlooking his granddaughter and worried
about his grandson. We know inthe end that he and esther develop a
relationship of all their life. ButI guess this episode is to show how
daughters were treated. The song Nancywas written by Frank Sinatra for his own

(03:23:58):
daughter, and he died twenty fiveyears ago on May fourteenth. Wow.
Interesting, I think that this waswritten on May fourteenth. It was written
on May fifteenth. I don't know. Well, whatever very close the Jack
par episode. Sorry, the JackPar people passed on Miriam because they didn't
know how to sell her. Theydidn't know how to sell her because they

(03:24:18):
were worried about a male audience.The song was perfectly chosen because it captures
the daughter theme. You're glad youdidn't have a daughter. Well, look
at what Frank Sinatra did with hisdaughter. He adored her and wrote her
a tribute song, wrote a tributeto her, laughing, happy, Thank
you so much, Tina. Thatwas so well put and very well pointed

(03:24:39):
out. Amazing see and Nancy Stewartsaid, I loved Danny Stevens singing Nancy
with the laughing face for obvious reasons. Hankazaria was superb in the guest role.
Abes hearing Esther played the piano priceless. Yes, Emmy Riley says,

(03:25:00):
Gordon is afraid Midge will eclipse him, which is why he is also called
He also called Jack Pard ruined heraudition. Look at what happened to Johnny
Carson and John Rivers. She gother own show. He never spoke to
her again. If he keeps Midgeon his staff, he can keep her
under his thumb. Agree so trueand bev Elliott benj I did not like

(03:25:24):
the ending at all. Yep,not alone. Uh. Glinda Longoria Harper
said Susie's behavior was to support Midgetits up and sitcom ending didn't bother me.
Gordon and his rule. He's territorial, but I can see how it
would open a can of worms forother employees. Abe and his beliefs doesn't

(03:25:48):
surprise me. I loved his surprisewhen seeing his granddaughter play piano and Midge
and Rose heartwarming. If I knewmy mom was passing, I'd spoil her
with all her wants. My mompassed unexpectedly in this hit home, sorry
to My most marvelous moment was Abeand him being unhappy with happy. Yeah.

(03:26:16):
I love how her most marvelous momentis just Abe. Yeah. Yeah,
that's definitely me too. Linda FortneyMartin said, hate to see the
show is coming to an end.Me too, Linda, got me too,
all right. Stacy gil Martin said, I think Midge ends up acting
on or writing for the Danny StephensShow because she realizes Gordon interfered with her

(03:26:37):
Jack Parr audition, because that blackand white ending was so odd. The
reason is to highlight the future.Susie I could see that. Yeah,
me too, Susie. The showis more fun when she isn't featured.
Oh harsh, that's an interesting Stacy'sBut yeah, no, I totally think
you're onto something there, but thatwhole Midge you know or Ford Jack Parr.

(03:27:01):
Yeah, you're right. Olga Iofinasaid it was very interesting to see
the final episode in black and whitesitcom. The great finale was the granddaughter
playing piano instead of the grandson.The show is fabulous. Some humor I
do not understand, maybe because ofdifferent background and English is not my first
language. Love the clothing they're wearing, building a special theater for the previous

(03:27:26):
season, beautiful dialogues, the relationshipin between Joel's parents and Midge's parents,
the atmosphere of New York of thatperiod of time. Beautiful music makes this
TV show unique. Indeed. MYeah, if you guys aren't on Gaslight
Cafe Facebook group, get on it. It's so good. Okay, now

(03:27:48):
we have more from the unofficial Marvelousmissus Maisel at Facebook group. Alright,
so hey, so Gail Mistell gaveus a lot of feedback. She is
so active on this post. SoGayle said, love your long chats.
When is the next review dropping?About Mitch prying? And sorry, sorry
guys, we were late this week. Mother's Day Life Yeah has gotten the
way, sorry about it. Andalso, this one's really really long,

(03:28:11):
so it'll take me a long asstime to edit, so I apologize for
this one coming out a little late. Bear with us. We are having
a long chat tonight. So aboutMitch crying in the bathroom, I think
she is finally learning and that shehas sabotaged her big break with Shy and
it's harder coming back up. Soshe also said, turning Rose into someone
who can't even turn on her ownpilot light is really annoying. Although she

(03:28:37):
came from a spoiled childhood and likelywhy she won't read Zella's instructions, her
inability to understand that the nineteen seventieswould bring an end to her matchmaking business
is also pathetic for a woman whoran away to Paris and lives simply seemingly
to one independence, a very complicatedcharacter. Yeah yeah, we got you,
We got you there, Gale,when yeah, we do, and

(03:28:58):
then she added, I am sensinga shift in Midge's empathy and understanding of
cause and effect. I hope theSchool of hard knocks has taught her about
other people's lives and respecting privacy.Word word up. Let's see. Andrea
Pavlou said, little esther at thepiano is. I think Abe's realization and

(03:29:20):
relief that he's finally got his littlewiseman genius intellectual, but not in the
form he expected. That was thebest for me and one of the best
scenes ever in the whole five seasons. Indeed, and Susan Smith Rodriguez Sadita
responded to add, plus, itshould give him a new appreciation for women.

(03:29:41):
Right, absolutely, yep, allright. La Marie said, love
seeing Sutton Foster make a cameo.Yes, Jean Bean, great name.
Let's also address the Jack par episodenot being oh sorry, Let's also address
the Jack par rep not being interestedin Midge for the show? Was it

(03:30:01):
because she's a woman? Because shewas truly the funniest comedian of the night,
did he? She did handle therejection with class, yet we see
her real reaction at home in herbathroom. As we know from the flash
forwards, it was just another setbackfor her, and I'm wondering, when
do we see the moment she getsher big break. Well, we really
want to know that too. You'llhear we talked about that a whole lot.

(03:30:22):
Yeah, it's a hot question,Marilyn Malia said. I feel we
have seen so many of Midge's setbacksin the series that we deserve a more
developed treatment of her big break ratherthan rushed final episodes. I don't necessarily
think they're rushed. I just thinkthat they're full of a bunch of unanswered

(03:30:43):
questions. Yeah, they're full ofgreat stuff though, and it's like so
much. And also it's like tosee someone like Marin Hankle deliver a line
that I don't think works writing wise, it really takes skill and for me
because I didn't even notice that Ididn't love it until I've watched it several

(03:31:05):
times and talk to you guys aboutit and like, and then I still
was just like, do I notlike this? Maybe it's just Marin Hinkle
that I love, and I loveanything she does, you know, I
think it's Yeah, it's all everysingle actor. So it's like, even
if I'm getting a bunch of episodesfull of unanswered questions, I'm getting them
delivered in such a way that I'mdelighted. So it's always good. Yeah,

(03:31:26):
so, Beverly Carter says, Iam still surprised that the Weisman's and
Mazals, the seniors are so certainthat their way is the only way,
and that they are oblivious to thefeelings of others. I should know by
now. I wish Midge wasn't ashelpless as her parents and life skills they
aren't even willing to learn. Thisfeels like frustration you have when the younger
sibling gets away without doing chores becauseyou do it faster and better learned.

(03:31:50):
Helplessness age child rearing philosophy is negligent. At the very least. Joel is
a good father. Too bad hecouldn't live with his kids. When I
heard the piano playing, I hadno doubt s the identy of the musician.
That was wonderful. Yes, sogood. Do you see the next
person's name? Is? I didso fun? Is it my turn?

(03:32:13):
It is? I never remember?Oh my god, this is okay,
yes, Olivia Mazel. I justlove how Midge impersonates the ultimate woman with
such class and almost oblivion. Herdaughter being the next genius in the family
is just spot on and serves Abesand serves abe silly approach to parenting.

(03:32:33):
Right, yes it does. Maybeher relationship with old Rose. With older
Rose is tinted by the evolving placeand roles of women in society and the
lack of Roses youth. I'm justso very sad that this show is ending.
It always cheers me up. Iwill miss Midge and Susie so much.
Yes, I want more of themtogether this season. Please see Norah

(03:32:56):
Stocks said, I really didn't getthe sitcom part at the end. What
was that about and Nora? Thatcould just have been a Palladino fever dream.
Yeah, oh my god, ittotally was. You know that Amy
Shriven Paladino like woke up from agrabbed her notebook and she wrote down two
words Sutton Hank and like underlined themboth and then went back to sleep.

(03:33:20):
You know, like that's exactly howthis happened. And she did it all
in black and white pen and paper. Love it, Alice, props,
bunch of fillers. They had nothing, um right, everything will be in
the last episode. It was nice, however, to see Mitgen Susie every
once in a while, or Rosethough they turned her to an idiot.

(03:33:41):
Oh Alice, you know, ohyeah, not happy and gayale Nestle responded
to Alice, says, that's trueabout Rose. In the Paris episodes,
she held promise and even when shestarted matchmaking. By the nineteen seventies,
matchmaking would have been considered old fashioned. Yeah, it's dying off like Shakespeare

(03:34:01):
Haney stand up comedy. Oh gosh, so Heather Haney said, Susie refusing
to pass Midge and promote James showedtrue loyalty. It did, but it
was also problematic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tidy Carr says, wonderful
episode about how women often are thetrue geniuses, yet their brothers are the

(03:34:26):
ones people expect to be the geniuses. Abe and Rose still think Noah is
a genius in the family and overlookMidge's brilliance. Abe assumes his grandson is
a genius, never suspecting his daughterand granddaughter or extra special. The Mazel's
kick off the show, commenting onhow daughters are a problem and they are
so glad they didn't have one.Cover your ears esther later, yeah later.

(03:34:50):
They can't accept the idea that Midgeis a person who got them the
tickets to the show. Surely itwas someone more important. The Gordon Ford
show treats Midge like the token female. The Jack par Scout chooses less funny
men over Midge, even Dan.You know, my favorite part of the
whole writer's room thing is how theyalways refer to Midge as the lady writer.
Yeah. Bothers me so much,but yet it's funny. Yea.

(03:35:13):
Even Danny, who is a reallygood guy and wants the higher Midge explains
it is as needing a woman writerto write for a female star. Even
take the job, Midge, takethe goddamn job. Leave this fucker,
this fuco schmugoos. I like tosay fuck, but yes, leave the
schmucko. Gordon, even Mike wulabor to get Midge a place in the

(03:35:37):
Pars showcase is surprised that Midge nowgets paid the same as the male writers.
It's the very beginning of some people, Mike, Danny and Abe seeing
a female as a great talent andnot the girl. And some people like
the Mabel's Mazels, will never seethat. PS loved the closing scene and
Kazarian nailed it simply beautiful. Okay, Heidi really liked it, Heidi,

(03:36:01):
that was awesome. It was,by the way, thank you so much.
Karen Thompson Carti, because I'm afterErica. Listeners, Listeners, I've
cut it out every time, butI have to tell you, like I've
had We've had to stop every timebefore it's my turn, because Jade,
your girl is Loope, and everytime I'm like, I can't remember that

(03:36:22):
I'm after Erica. I'm after Ericain the feedback line and yes, this
is how we read. Okay,yeah, listeners, I hope you're having
fun. Karen Thompson Cardi says,I didn't like the first half of episode
seven. I was frustrated at howhelpless they all are and unwilling to learn.
Yes, they all shout out theirproblem without listening to each other,

(03:36:43):
and really, Midge can't do herdaughter's hair or her face. She put
it like an er Karen, Ifeel you, girl, I feel you.
I think that's something you got totake up with Amy Sherman Palladino.
Oh yeah, Susan Smith. Frodrigezaidasays, I love the fact that Midge
loves her parents, even though theyare both still self involved and have never

(03:37:05):
appreciated or supported Midge. Midge definitelyhas her faults, but she has always
been better to her parents than theyhave been to her. I agree.
I agree. This was not agood look for the parents this episode,
you know. I mean, actually, Abe had some moments when he checked
on Midge in the bathroom that wasnice. I mean, yeah, it

(03:37:26):
was like the bare minimum of parenting. So he should be doing that,
you know, I should. Ifeel like I shouldn't have to congratulate him
for it. But it was nice, Babe. He was like, I
didn't expect that. True in comparisonto Rose, Yeah, it was pretty
good. Alison Nicole Davy says,I really think it's weird how they've given
Moisten surely nothing to do except tobe hilarious. Though, I mean they

(03:37:50):
I see, I would actually saythey gave them good stuff to do.
Yeah, we're not getting a wholelot of moist Why do I feel like
we're getting more surely? No,we're getting any cool amount. I don't
know. Maybe just because Caroline Aaronis such a should really standing out for
me this season. Yeah, Okay. Kristen Colbert says, I don't think
Susie is doing right by James.He is also a part of a socioeconomic

(03:38:13):
class that is underrepresented in comedy inthe sixties. Yeah. Yeah, if
Midge wasn't going to complain about it, then why fight it. Yes,
that's actually very true, and yeah, you're right that should be a bigger
deal. That should have been abigger deal in my note taking, because
he is like, I never usethe word minority. I hate that,

(03:38:33):
but that's exactly what he would havebeen called in the sixties. And I
think it is like Susie does needto see that having James get a break
because he's black is such a bigdeal that it's it's I just can't that's
yeah. I didn't like stress itenough that that was like a huge part
of my thought process when I wasbothered by Susie not acting like herself.

(03:38:56):
You know, Susie would be moreaware than that book. Yeah, the
Ladinos live in a world, atleast their fictional world, where race is
not really race is considered at all, Like they this has been a blind
spot for them for a little while, and I think we're seeing more of
that. So Ja cost or jaacost left us an Apple review and said

(03:39:20):
it great, Yes, very important, said has been so great to hear
you all talk about the show insuch great detail definitely makes me want to
go back and rewatch so many detailsthat you all caught. Thanks for offering
your thoughts to the world, andI love hearing your passion for theater.

(03:39:41):
It is fun to nerd out onall the moments vicariously through you. Yes,
thank you so much. Ja costor jaa cost. I don't know,
but I you are costing me nothing, nothing because you're giving me so
much. So thank you for thereview. Okay, so this one is
from Lori Vezzi, another five starreview. Friends who feel you. I

(03:40:07):
absolutely love that. I was ledto your podcast by the Gaslight Cafe Facebook
group. Yes, I watched theshow with my husband who is basically Abe
and want to see any reason whywe should discuss the show after we watch
it. I can literally hear Abe'svoice coming out of my husband's face saying,
there is no reason to discuss it. It doesn't matter what you think.

(03:40:28):
It's just a show. Thank you, it's the show. Thank you
for sharing your friendship. I thinkI will miss you just as much as
I'll miss MMM when they say goodbyein just a few short weeks. Oh,
Laurie, so sweet. Laurie,I mean you might not miss us.
We may be continuing with this podcastwith a rewatch. So thank you,

(03:40:50):
Laurie Cash. Thank you. SoI love this. I love this
so much, like I just can'tfeel like a broken record, like I
love this, thank you, thankyou. But like truly, you guys
don't know how happy these reviews makeme. Like when we all get to
see that we have another five starreview, we like take a screenshot of
it and like text it to eachother and oh my god, can you
believe they like us? Like tothink that all these people are that are

(03:41:13):
leaving us feedback or listening to thispodcast. It's just like I'm gonna get
emotional, guys, like I feelso privileged. I feel so privileged.
And I just want you guys,all of the listeners out there to know
that if you have something to say, please share it with us. I
know that this is just all abouta silly show, but this is also
about like being fucking happy, right, like the word of the hour,

(03:41:35):
And if it makes if it makesyou happy, then leave us some feedback.
And yeah, I just want youguys to know that you all have
a voice on this podcast. Soif you have something you want to say,
we will say it for you kindof, or you can leave it
in a voicemail and say it yourself. Please do Yeah. Okay, So

(03:41:56):
last one, Blue Boomer twenty sevensays late to the podcast, first time
sure, first time short time ofthe podcast, first time short time.
I don't know what that means,but big fan of the marvelous missus Mail
and so glad I found this podcast. You ladies do a great job reviewing
the show. Three point six orfive six. Episode six was such a

(03:42:18):
great episode that it had me mainlymade that it had me manly crying several
times. Sorry. It will besad to see this show come to an
end, and I'm curious how theywrap it all up. We need another
appearance of Luke Kirby and I justknow it will be a three Kleenex scene.
Oh I hope, so we allhope. So. I can't remember
which of you brought up about Midgebeing sick, but I think it is

(03:42:41):
spot on. Keep up the greatwork, Thank you, Blue Boomer.
I did not read that very elegantlybecause also tired. But that is the
way. So that's all the listenerfeedback we have again thank you so much,
like, please keep doing it,and hopefully you guys are liking the
fact that the listener feedback portion isgetting like crazy long and out of control.

(03:43:03):
I'm here for it. It's myfavorite part of the podcast, so
hopefully you're enjoying it. Let usknow. Now we got some news,
all right, So we just havea couple of articles in the news.
We're not going to read from anythingbecause the podcast is so long, But
I did want to say there's anotherpodcast called Gilmore to Say, and they

(03:43:24):
have tons of Amy Sherman Palladino likeinformation, connections from Marvelous Missus Maisel to
Gilmore Girls, and a couple ofthings that I heard on this podcast,
Like they do. They cover everythingto do with the Gilmore Girls, and
they have a couple of episodes justdedicated to Amy Sherman Palladino. A couple
of cool things that I got fromtheir podcast was that she made up the

(03:43:46):
Amy Sherman Palladino made up the plotof the Gilmore Girls like in a pitch
room meeting, kind of exactly thesame way Susie did on the golf course
when she was like, okay,I got I got an idea for a
show and she just made it allup like that's exactly how The Gilmore Girls
was born. I thought that wasso cool. Another one was the Amy
Sherman Palladino's favorite musical is Gypsy,and they do make like a lot of

(03:44:09):
references to Gypsy and everything they do. But I was also wondering, like,
is that maybe why Rose got hername Rose? And you know,
Rose is my faith, so I'malways like interested in Rose stuff. And
then they're also they brought up thefact that there are so many Godfather references
in The Gilmore Girls, and nowthat I think back on it, it's
true. There are. So theyhave this they have a thing for the

(03:44:31):
Mafia, and it's it's been likea theme. Okay, So that link
is to another podcast called Gilmore tosay. It's a great podcast. Well
researched two lovely ladies. They alsohave an Instagram, so yeah, give
them the love like you're giving itto us. The next one is The
Marvelous Missus. Maisel's songwriters talk trashCan tap dancing, and that's an Apple

(03:44:56):
News article And actually I'll just sayit. It was going to mention it
next time we talk about Instagram,but the songwriters miser and more. They
follow us on Instagram, so yay, go us, and we are huge
fans of theirs, so that thatnews article is really cool if anyone out
there is interested in musical theater.And then another article, could the Marvelous

(03:45:18):
Missus Masel's Susie get a spin off? Alex Borstein responds bated breath. I
wait to see if this actually happens. And then the last article, Marvelous
Missus Masel Season five all but confirmedthat Rose is now doomed. I'm sorry,
and that on a somber note,but yeah, you got you Gotta

(03:45:39):
check out these articles, guys,and if you listeners find anything that we
have not mentioned on the podcast,please send it my way. I would
love to read more things about thisshow. There's not enough stuff out there.
So with all of that said,I believe this is where our time
comes to an end. Friends,good friends, my two lovely ladies.

(03:46:01):
I've had such a marvelous time talkingthese ten hours with you, and thank
you, thank you, my deardear listeners for joining us. Come back
next week when we'll be covering seasonfive, episode eight of The Marvelous Missus
Masel, The Princess and the Plea. I'm Kara, I'm Erica, and

(03:46:22):
I'm Jane. Thank you, andgood night.

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