S5E9 "Four Minutes" Part 1: Discussion

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I'm Jade, I'm Kara, andI'm Erica, and this is Perfectly
Marvelous, a podcast dedicated to themagnificent, the magical, the Marvelous Missus
Basil. Today we are covering seasonfive, episode nine, the final episode

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of the series called Oh my Gosh, Do you believe It? Four minutes
did by Amy Sherman Palladino. It'slike I can't even I can't even get
over it, you guy, It'sso weird that it's actually wrapped up.
I have chills. I know,it's surreal, Like I didn't even know
how to like say those words oneone last time. Well, I don't

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know if it'll be the last time, because um yeah, a couple of
things before we get started. Wewere just talking about whether or not we're
going to continue with the podcast andstart you know, a rewatch, and
we're all really wanting to. Wejust don't know when that would be coming
out. We're gonna definitely take awee bit of a break just to like,
you know, refresh ourselves so wedon't get to you know, burnt

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out on marvelous missus Basil. Becausethis has been a an effort, this
has been a journey, This hasbeen a lot, but it has been
it has been amazing. And Ido not get paid by the app.
Yeah right, oh yeah, wellyeah we'll get the contrary to some Apple
podcast reviews like you guys are gettingpaid Wait a second, I oh,
paide, We're not getting paid anything, yes, but no, um we

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we I'm going to need to takea break because announcement I am starting a
new podcast with my friend Paul itis. I'm very excited about this,
and so I'm going to need asecond to kind of get that started,
get that ready, and just sothat you guys know what's going to be
coming up from me. If you'reinterested in listening to another one of you
know, my Jade talking hours,lots of hours. It's going to be

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called shall We Compare Thee? Andit is a podcast all about films and
their remakes and sequels, so mostlyclassic films and then like the modern you
know, remake of that film andyou know, does it hold up?
How does it compare? All thatgood stuff. So there will be announcements
about that podcast on this feed incase you guys are interested in subscribing to

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it. So, yeah, whenthat comes out, probably in about a
week, we'll have our first episodeand that episode will be on Psycho Psycho
and the Shot for Shot remake.I do like that. I'm really shall
We Compare THEE? I love itperfect? Yes, yes, Verry Shakespearean
So yes, that is something comingup. And another thing coming up.

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We've got that interview with Matilda Zidigistwith Zelda. Yeah, that is coming
up, and we are just youknow, I'm just emailing with her right
now figuring out when we can schedulethat. But it should be you know,
within the next week. So ifyou guys have any questions that you
want us to ask her, sendus those questions. Email us at Perfectly
Marvelous Podcast at gmail dot com andyeah, we're really excited after that.

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And also don't forget to follow uson Instagram at perfectly Marvelous Cast and yeah,
reminder, only murders in the buildingstarting in August. Premier date is
August eighth, So Mark Gallander,I'm so excited. Yes, we are
so excited. I can't wait.We're going to be doing a rewatch of
seasons one and two and coming outwith a little recap episode for each of

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those seasons before we get into thethird season. So exciting. And I
think that is all. Oh,I am one other thing. I just
want to issue a public apology,much like Abe. I wish I could
write a fifteen hundred word apologia,but I can't. So I have been
saying David Mullin's name wrong every timeI talk about it. His name is

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m David Mullin and he is acinematog of The Marvelous Missus Maisel, and
I think I was calling him likeDavid Muller or Mueller. I don't know,
So apologies I Carol Jenning moment.Yeah, So that is all I
have to say before we get started. I just can't wait to get into
the discussion. So without further ado, let's start the show. Tits up,

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hits up, tits up. CryNow I've this body less girl in
my pocket mutual room and when leavingtogether and having a Mamma les die all

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right, as always, we willbe starting our most marvelous moments. Yes,
but isn't that marvelous with Kara takeit away? I have just decided
right now what my most marvelous momentis, because there were so many that

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I wanted to pick from during thisepisode, but I think the moment that
I got just like I felt themost choked up is when Midge finally like
sits down on the couch and makeseye contact with Susie and they're both like

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brinning and they've got tears in theireyes, and it was just like that
final realization that they've done it,Like Midge has made it, this is
it. She's on the couch,and I just like I was crying pretty
much that whole scene, like notlike bawling crying, but just happy,
laughing tears. And I think Ithink that was probably my favorite, most

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satisfying moment of the episode is whenshe finally got to sit on that couch
and she and Susie were able tolock eyes and acknowledge each other. You're
talking about the moment Susie puts herhand. Yeah, Oh, I was
just like, oh. And RachelBrasnahan, there's an interview where she talks
about how that whole that was thelast scene that she filmed, that whole

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thing, and that she and AlexBorscene like could not even look each other
in the eyes that day. Yeah, until then they're looking at each other's
forehead. Yeah, like it's fairsounds about right, Yeah, because it
felt there was no acting in thatmoment, like it was so no real
and I was just like, oh, they did it. This is wonderful.

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Yeah, I loved that. Itwas right before like, you know,
we see that Midge acknowledges like herparents, she acknowledges everyone in the
audience, and she's looking out theaudience and the very last person right before
it fades to the next two thousandand five scene, it's Susie. That's
the last person she sees. Andthe way Susie just like exhales, just
like, oh, we just gavebirth to this child that like just came

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into the world like they just becamelike proud parents or something, you know,
and like that's how that's that's thefeeling that I got from that moment,
you know, Oh yeah, they'rejust like in this together more.
And Susie's just looking at like herher other person, her like other you
know, she's so proud. Iknow when I like was saying those words

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the um what is it? Themagnificent, the magical, marvelous, Like
it was like hard to say that. At the beginning of the podcast,
I was like, don't cry,dude, don't cry. Why am I
so emotional right now? Oh mygod, It's because I'm sick. That's
sorry, listeners. That's why Ihope I don't sound too bad I And
that's why the podcast is coming outa little bit late because I don't know
what it is. Something's going goingaround. I don't know if it's allergies

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or what, but I feel likeit's gotta be more than allergies because I
was sick for a couple of days. So apologies, and you know how
when you're sick, like you're justsuper emotional. This was not a good
time for me to watch this episode. I was I'm watching multiple times too,
right, Yeah, oh yeah,you gotta watch it a lot to
podcast I was when I first watchedit, So I'm glad I watched it

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multiple times. We forgot to postour our awful selfies are ugly cry,
have to do that now. IMine was definitely an ugly cry, ugly
cry. Yeah, Kara and Itook selfies of of ourselves or ugly cry
faces after after we watched the finale, Erica forgot it's okay yea because she

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sucks. Erica's like, yeah,I forgot. Yeah, that's that's it.
Nobody needs to see that, butI do. Yes, they ware,
But I undotentially wore Midge's bray withFusia today and I did. Yeah.
I wish I had to harry butno, yeah, but no,
no, no, no selfie,no no laugh, cry, ugly cry,

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oh gosh, next time. Yeah, we got to post that on
Instagram. Don't let me forget Okay, Erica, what was your most marvelous
moment ide with Kara? My firstmoment that came to mine was when Midge
closed the door of Gordon's office andher just her, like her, like

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absolute joy. She did it herlittle her little dance and the secretary.
It was so cute. I wasso joyful. It filled with like I
was so filled with that excitement.I think I cheered. I mean,
it's before we found out that Gordonwas going to be a dickhead. But
it was like that moment, I'mlike, yeah, girl, yeah,
you did it. You did it. It was okay, it was so

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wonderful. That was almost my mostmarvelous moment for the reason that that that
background actor, that lady just Iloved her reaction to it. She turned
around and like interacted with her abit, and like you can tell that
she wasn't meant to do that,she just like had to do it because
she just felt it in the moment, And I was like, yes,
random background actor, I love you. I was so happy about that moment.

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Yeah, Oh that was precious,Jade. I thought about you the
entire like Gordon Ford section of thisepisode. Oh god, get there.
I'm gonna try not to dwell onit too much. I know why unhappy
things. At least he lived upto his jerky ways, Like you know,
he lived up to it. Hewas a jerky And I've decided that

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I'm now in love with Mike insteadof Gordon Ford. So it's all good,
right, yes, yes, it'sfine. What what the ever loving?
Oh? It was so good?Okay, so all right, My
most marvelous moment is Okay, youguys know, Rose Marin Hinkle is my
favorite, so I but I couldnot choose between two moments back to back

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right where Rose finally comes around andshe gets on you know, on board
the Midge support train, and it'swhen she gets those four phone calls in
a row and then she hangs upand she turns to Eve and she says,
how long have we got and he'slike one hour, let's go,
and she like grabs her coat andhad and runs out the door. And
I know a lot of people willbe annoyed that that was, you know,

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my most marvelous moment because Rose isacting like such a shit and true,
like right before, right before that, I was saying out loud,
no Rose, you stop it,do not be this way. No stop
it. Rose. I was soupset at her, It's like, what
are you doing? But um,but you know, and I'll talk about
it when we get there. Butwhen she just turned around like that after
getting those phone calls. I wasjust the way that she was like,

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how long do we have? Likelet's go, you know, she gets
so excited. And so then mynext moment is when the two of them
were walking down the street talking aboutthe cab whistle. And this made me
really excited because, Okay, bysome random chance, a few days before
this episode came out, I clickedon a free film on YouTube one day.
I just, you know, wantedsomething to like put on in the

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background when I was like half watchingmy I was doing other like chores and
laundry, and I just wanted somethingto put on real quick. And it's
called Quick Change. This film.It's a great film. I highly recommend
it. It is the only filmthat Bill Murray ever directed, and he's
also starring in it. It's gotGina Davis, Jason Robards, who I
love, and he's so good inthis. Um, Phil Hartman, Randy

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Quaid, Philip Bosco, Eve laysa bust Oh got you guys. This
is like a star studded cast andit's like, I can't believe I've never
heard of this film before. Soand like I won't spoil it, um,
but it's incredibly theatrical, and veryfunny. The humor is very underplayed,
how you know Bill Murray usually is. So I'm watching this and I'm
like, wow, this is somuch better than I thought. This like

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random free movie that would be onyou know that I just picked out of
nowhere. And then all of asudden, Tony Shalhoub shows up as a
cab driver driving them to the Yeah, he's driving these them to the airport.
And I thought it was really funnybecause he played a cab driver in
this show called Wings. It's anineteen nineties Oh yeah, yeah, I
remember that. Yeah, so okay, okay. I found this great article

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where Tony Shaloub talks about the filmand he said, I lived in New
York in the eighties and one ofmy very first movies was a Bill Murray
movie called Quick Change. It's thisreally crazy movie with Gina Davis and all
these people, and it was oneof my first movies. But I was
mostly doing night shoots. I wasplaying a four in Cabby. I was
also rehearsing on Broadway. We werethe first cast in the Heidi Chronicles.

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I would rehearse from like eleven inthe morning to five or six at night.
And run out of the rehearsal room, jump in a van for the
movie production, and they'd take usout where we were shooting in Queens.
I'd go home when the sun cameup at like five o'clock, go to
bed for five or six hours,get back up, go to rehearsal and
I would just do this for threeor four weeks, and it was so
fun. I thought, it's nevergoing to get any better than this.

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Here I am rehearsing for a Broadwayshow and I'm in a movie with all
these great people in New York City. They had me invent a gibberish language
because they wanted it to be likean unidentifiable thing, Shaloob said, So
I just made up my own dialogue. It was just a really crazy movie,
and I thought that was just socute. So I had to be
increadorable. And it gets deeper.So this TV show on Wings it came

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out right after or this this movie, and it's Tony Shaloub. He plays
Antonio Scarpacchi, who's an Italian immigrantwho owns and operates a taxi service to
take people to and from the airport. So most likely he got that role
because of his small appearance in theBill Murray Quick Change Movie. So when
Rose said you didn't let Antonio blowthe whistle? I was like, wait

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a minute, is it my crazyimagination or didn't he play an It wasn't
that the name of his character inthat weird show, that nineties show that
like I remember as a kid.And then so I was. I thought
I was inventing it because I barelyremember it from my childhood. But I
got so excited when I realized thatI was right. And I got so
excited when I realized I had justrandomly seen that quick Change movie. I'm

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like, what are the odds?It's so random. So anyone who's interested
in watching this movie, I highlyrecommend it. It's free on YouTube right
now, and Wings is on ParamountPlus right now. But I have to
play. So this is Tony shaleubas Antoni in Wings. I just have
to include this because if you wantto, I want my listeners to laugh.

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Guys, get ready, it's sofunny. Okay, here you go.
I don't know you played guitar,Antonio. I only started a few
months ago. Can you play something? Well? There is one American folk
song I used to be here inItaly for years it was the only English
I knew. Oh yeah, mygod knows the bowling score. My god,

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no season. I think it's MichaelRode the boat asshore get out.
He's so cute. My goat knows, My goat knows the bowling scup.

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I like those lyrics better. WhenI heard that, I damn near fell
off my seat that. I don'tknow why that tickled me so bad,
you guys, but that just gotmy funny bone real hard. I was
like, well, this is sofun precious, okay, And so this
is Tony as the cab driver inquick Change. I have to play this
too, just get ready for itwas the clown to tell me now,

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hell is this rot singer? Thisone is illegal to run for a bus?
Bluff to me a bus? Yeah? This is when is that a
cry a bus? Bluff me?Bluff to me, bluff funny bluff tell

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me buff they're on a bluff tonename that's Jason Robarts. So so you
gotta see Tony Schaliub's face when he'sdoing this though, he's like miming a
bus and he's making that honking soundwith his own like voice, like it

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sounds like a real horn. It'sso funny his character, and that is
because he doesn't make a word ofsense. You know, he's just speaking
like gibberish. But it really gotme. I love Tony Schaliub so much,
y'all. I just I was justreminded, like, oh my god,
Like I'm telling you, he's oneof my favorite actors of all time.
Anyway, that was a long,marvelous moment, but it was great.

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Well, I'm curious that is whatyou guys thought, Like what your
first reaction was once it was over, after your first watch. I wanted
more. I wanted more. Iwas like, not that, that's it.
I was like, I want more. I had the thought right before
it ended. As soon as gotup and started doing her stand up,
I was thinking, to my Ichecked to see how much longer there was,

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and I was like, no,it's almost over. And I got
really sad, and then I justset out loud right as it's getting back
to exactly my favorite Missus Mazel,like the way Missus Mazel is my favorite.
You know, Susie and Midge,they were so together in this episode.
They were just one a team,just like old times. Everything about
this episode felt like classic Mazel,like season two, season three, like

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right in that sweet spot when itwas just rocking, and I was like,
right as it's getting back there,it's going to end. I was.
That was my thought. Yep,yeah, I when I first finished
it, I felt kind of letdown, Like I loved watching it,
Like as I was watching it,I was really happy with it and enjoyed

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it, and then like as itended, I was just like, no,
wait, like I need more thanthis. But now that I've watched
it like four times, I likeit a lot more. It's pretty good.
Yeah. Yeah, they wrapped itup. They stuck the fucking landing
man, they didn't. Yeah,and they only and they didn't extend it
that long. What was it likean hour and fifteen minutes universus like the

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normal hour, and they they reallykind of touched everything that made it matter,
you know. Yeah, yeah,I felt like it was a very
good. Like we know, thePaladinos liked to do full circle crap when
they can, but this is onetime where I think it really really worked
for them, and it was ontheir terms. Yeah, finally, and
they gave us some closure, andthey gave us some answers like you know

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how why Shirley and Moist were notat like the what was it a bar
mits? I forget what the whenthe Susie and possibly they were in Bocca
and their condo or maybe you knowwho knows where they Yeah, so there.
Maybe that's possibly why we didn't seethem in all the flash forwards was
because they're in Florida. Yeah,that was a nice time. We can

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assume are like happily living in Floridaand not dead somewhere. Yeah, no
one died. I was very pleased, although I didn't want to. I
didn't want to cry cry that's true, like they did say in an interview.
I think it was a vanity fairinterview that they just assumed that rose
head cancer and that was how.Yeah, it was passed away. But

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at the same time, I waslike, all right, well, I'm
glad you didn't make us watch itthen because that would have been a lot
in one final episode, just tooheavy. Same thing with their decision applied,
right, like we don't need tosee Lenny Bruce die like we saw
his you know, his stand upand that you know, real infamous sixty

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five show. Oh nice, uhnice segue. So let's get let's get
into our I do you're always you'resay I call you segue Jones, Yes,
Jones, Yeah, I hope I'msaved in your phone like that.
Now, Oh god, where youguys are under the Yeah, triple crown

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bitches Jones and Pissy's sister from anothermister PiS's powers. Yeah, sorry,
Erica, get into it. Yes, So we're segueing from our marvelous moments,
which were far more happier to Lenny'snineteen sixty five stand up in San

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Francisco. So this started off awkward, quiet, really uncomfortable. Um,
Lenny looks, you know, disheveled. He doesn't look well, he's hunched
over. He's like hacking there,hacking, he doesn't. Yeah, he's
just he is just not looking well. He is. He's definitely lost that

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charisma that he's had on stage,that that drive, um, you know,
the just the tenacity that made himfamous and made him so good at
what he did. Um. Thething is I think is that his battle
with the courts really is probably whatkilled him more so than oh it like

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he was not allowed to perform anymore. They took away his rights and and
I did see, like just bydoing a little bit of research that um,
it even went up to the SupremeCourt, and they did. Eventually,
the Illinois Supreme Court did rule thatKey's routine was not obscene, which
is good and that um luckily,I think it was back in two thousand

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and three. So how many yearslater after he died, Um, they
parted him finally to uphold the FirstAmendment in New York. So, UM,
it's nice that Governor George Pataki,you know, decided to pardon him.
But it's it was of course alittle too late, just a little
you know, and it was differentdecade, yeah, not only decade,

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you know, different differen Yeah.So it's it's it's really sad that um,
you know, the pioneer he wasfor comedy, but also just to
be, as he called himself,you know, he observes things. That's
that's the saying. But the painthat he went through and the suffering that
he went through, Um, thelegal battles that he went through really took

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a toll on him. And althoughhe's still his name apparently drew that audience.
They were not there to listen tothem, to him. They didn't
want to hear about his legal problems, say didn't. There was barely a
laugh, There's barely a giggle.There was a lot of groans and murmurs
and and it just was said.And then like when he was mentioning the

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whole situation about how he was likeaccused of pantomiming masturbation and doing something up
scene, Um, he was reallyquick to say like, no, I
would not because I know what offendschicks and what frightens chicks. He gets
back into that kind of beat nickyou know, you know language. But
it's like they just didn't get him, and but they he was a target

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to what this happened, and itwas just it was really depressing, really
sad, very understated way of seeingthat. Yeah, do you guys think
that he that it was just ajoke when he said they didn't know that
they were booking me, they thoughtthey were booking oh brule, Yeah,
I think it was. I thinkit was a joke. I thought it
was funny because of like Brucey LennyBruce. But I think it because a

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joke because why else would those peoplebecause those people, I don't know why
they were there if not to seeLenny Bruce, you know. Yeah,
but what I also think is thecase it's like Amy Winehouse for the end
of her career, right, peopledidn't pay a ticket to see her perform.
They paid to see her. OhI want to see how bugged?

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Like, yeah, you know,it's so fucked up. She's really depressed.
Well and yeah, Leuke Kirby,I thought they're multiple interviews out there
with him talking about, you know, how they wrapped up Lenny's story,
But one that stood out is hetalked about how rough it was filming this

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scene because the audience, like thosebackground actors were told specifically not to laugh
and like not encourage him and allof this stuff. And I can imagine
that would be very helpful in thatscene, like as an actor. But
at the same time, you know, he talked a kind of feels like
how horrible it felt. And She'slike, man, I cannot imagine like

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the real Lennie Bruce, who isjust like becoming kind of obsessive and consumed
by his legal issues and being ashell of himself essentially. Like it just
it made me really sad, honestlyto think about that talent going to waste
like that. Yeah. Yeah,but one fun uplifting fact is that they

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found a deference book they said thecostume designer of Marvelous Missus Masel where it
went into detail about the coat thatLenny Bruce was wearing at this Basin Street
West show that you know, reallyhappened. And so they rebuilt the coat.
They found out the designer of it, and they specifically rebuilt a replica.

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And I was like, oh,that attention to detail is why this
show is so good, seriously verygood. And you know, just just
take it back about where the lasttime we saw Lenny on stage was back
at Barnegie Hall, to now wherehe's at, you know, so many
years later. It's also four yearslater since the Gordon Ford show. So

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but we don't know that yet.And we know now that Midges you know,
have found some fame. She isyou know, now doing really well
and and um, you know Lenny, he's at his lowest point obviously.
So and we see somebody is inthe audience and it's Susie and she does
not happy one bit, and heeven goes to do that little dance and

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I'm like, oh my god,this is the second half hand embarrassment was
so real I'm like, oh no, no, it's it's too much.
And then the woman just walking acrosslike right in front of him. It
was just it was it was heartbreaking. Yeah, the way the way he's
like, hello, dirty Letty ishere, Dirty Letty is going on soon
the pornographer. And then when hewhen he ends this set and he goes,

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look, I really dug working withyou. Um as as Will Rogers
once said, I never met adike. I didn't like it good night.
I was like Will Rogers was,you know, vaudeville performer, actor,
social commentator. Yeah, he pulledsome he pulled some funny things out,
but that audience didn't find it funny. Yeah, uncomfortable. Yeah.

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And I just have to say,though, Luke Kirby is so amazing because
guys, guys, guys, itis hard to act badly on purpose.
Like I don't know if you guys, is it just me who always?
Um? When when I think about, you know, performances that are performances
that are supposed to be bad,like on you know, when an actor
has to bomb intentionally. Um,I think of Rue McClanahan on The Golden

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Girls at the at the Rusty Anchor. Yeah, she's singing, I want
to be loved by you. It'sjust I mean, genius level though,
Like that is so hard to doand to make an audience. I was
just cringing watching Lenny in the sameway that I cringe when I watched like
Blanche. You know, yeah hewas, but they also, oh god,

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he was brilliant, and like youknow when he when he tries to
remember that bit in the way thathe had, like his head down and
he's like snap doing the snap,like how did that? How did that
bit go? And just stumbling,yeah, like sumbling over his words,
and you know it's so tightly scriptedtoo, like he's not this is not

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ad living, this is very tightscript So god I couldn't. But I
was reminded of how I just mentionedAmy Winehouse. Amy Winehouse and Judy Garland
had this thing that toward the endof their career when they would they were
really high, they were drunk,they were whatever on stage and the audience
would start to boo them. Youknow, the audience would be like,

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get off the stage, what thefuck is wrong with you? And they'd
be mean to them. Basically theywould like turn into children and they would
I have seen videos of both AmyWinehouse and Judy Garland doing this thing where
they like start kind of like shufflingtheir feet and they like start to kind
of like pout and like sway sideto side like a childhood and when they
forgot their dance moves and their dancerecital. Yeah, and it's really sad

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because it's exactly how I felt Lennywas when he started dancing like a class
clown, like a child wanting toplease an audience and just do anything to
be funny. Oh god, itwas just so uncomfort it. I don't
and I honestly think that they evenif they gave us, like say the
funeral, like, it couldn't havebeen more that than what they gave us
here, like where he right,he lost it, Like he lost his

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talent and he lost his tenacity.This show was the penultimate show in his
career. This was a year beforehe died, and this show actually happened
in real life. This was Ithink the second to last show that he
ever did before he died a yearlater. Right. Yeah, And that
song, that Bob Dylan song.I love that song so much. My
ex used to sing it to meas Queen Jade. But the lyrics to

(31:37):
that song when your mother sends backall your invitations and your father to your
sister, he explains that you're tiredof yourself and all of your creations.
Won't you come see me, QueenJane? Won't you come see me?
Queen Jane? I got chills andI heard that song. I was like,
what more perfect song could They pickedin a very good job with the
subtle The musical selection was fire thisepisode. I mean it really is.

(32:02):
It always is. Who are whoare we kidding? We say that every
time. Yeah, they did sucha good job and then um, we
go to backstage and he's just youknow, slumped over in his chair and
you know, just completely defeated,just wants to go home or wherever he
wants to go. Um. Wewere talking about it earlier, like waiting

(32:25):
for Slim, who we think it'shis driver. We all thought was his
well dealer. Yeah, and thenit's in an article that it was his
drug dealer. Yeah, his driver. Yeah, but we but we know
that he had an addiction and youknow, and it's how he passed.
So it's I'm sure Slim was helpfulin getting him. Yea, he might

(32:45):
have been. He might have been. So we we know that something is
going to come. But you know, Susy confronts him just to you know,
just to see what's going on withhim. Does he remember her?
And you know, of course there'slike, you know, the joke of
Elego, he used to be aman. And you know, I'm luckily
Susie shot him Dawn really quick.But I was happy to like he did

(33:06):
remember her, like he remembered thegas light, he remembered um meeting her
with Midge, you know, solong ago. We also learn now at
this point in nineteen sixty five,she is now the manager of Dick Dick
Gregory Philistiller or the Kit Dick Capri. No, I think that he says,
he says, he confuses, hesays the wrong name. I was

(33:28):
gonna say, ho, congrats him. He's also a comic. So Dick
Gregory, Um, was I believehe's black? Yeah, wasn't he in
a I'm gonna look I think Ifeel like we have to look that up
because I when I thought Dick Gregory, I was thinking of the guy from
the Shining So I know that's probablywrong. No, that's not No,
that was I think that that's nothim. No, but I think his

(33:50):
name was Dick in the movie.Can we let's take a second and look
and see who that is because hisname fails me. Well, he apparently
was in The Hot Chick, whichwas a comedy. You know what.
I actually I think that was likehis last movie. He passed away in
twenty seventeen. Oh you know whyyou thought it's Scatman Cruthers that's in the

(34:15):
Shining. I couldn't think of hisname. Um, And it's because his
name is dame. Yes, yeah, that's why I thought about it.
But I'm trying to look at seewhat he did. They look very similar
though in the sixties. But Ithought it was funny the way that,
um, the way that he waslike, oh, congrats on repend Dick
Capris a good comic because he's gotthat out of it. He didn't realize
it's like this, that's a differentperson. I know. I was.

(34:35):
I was confused. Yeah, sohe was. He was a comic and
he like I see, the onlythings I see on his filmography is,
um, he was on you knowRowan and Martin's laughing and you know,
some things like that. So butanyway, but better that I know who
was Yeah, No, I justWASNA say. I think that Susie was
really insensitive the way that she handledthis, because he's so far gone.

(35:00):
Nothing that she says is going tohelp. It's just rubbing salt in the
wound. And I don't think thatSusie like knew it. I don't think
she's trying to be mean or whatever, but the way that just her Susie
being Susie. You know, she'slike, yeah, you you're fucking sucking
dude, Stop sucking. Be better. Yeah, just the way that she
was. Oh, I was like, Susie, no, tough love,
be nice. Yeah. I mean, like I think it's not it's too

(35:22):
late. Yeah. I feel likethat's all she knows. I don't think
she knows how to deal with someonelike that, like he need. He
needs so much more than tough loveat this point. He needs an intervention
and he probably is so far gothe couldn't well. When you think about
how little was really known about addictionat that point and how you know there's

(35:43):
still stigma that exists today, butespecially back then, people just I feel
like there's a lot of judgment firstas opposed to any sincere interest in helping,
like they were just watching him,you know, wilt away, which

(36:04):
is just awful. Yeah, thankgod people understand today that it's it's a
true sickness, it's a disease addiction. But I gotta say, even for
myself when I got out of rehab, there were a lot of people who
treated me like, well, youdid this to yourself. It's your your
problem, you know. And Ifeel like those people were kind of older

(36:27):
typically, but still it's still notgreat. You know, Yeah, that's
not a fun thing here. It'slike thanks guys, very encouraging and uploot.
Yeah, yeah, that's what Ijust what I needed to hear.
That's going to get me. Um. I mean this was such a sad
way to start um the episode.Um. And one thing when he was

(36:52):
trying to get up and she's like, what are you trying to do?
You're trying to stand up, andthe poignancy, Yeah, I'm like,
yeah, he can't do stand upanymore. And he can't physically stand up.
It's it's like he can't step footinto a club. He's just he
is beaten to the ground. Andyou know, Susie wants to help him.
I think she wants to help him, because Midge asked, I don't

(37:15):
know. Maybe that's why she's justlike, oh, I'll do some you
know, I have favors. Youknow someone's going to help him. She
mentions Albert Grossman. Yeah, whowho's a manager, and who's of singing
He reps like singing musicians though likefolk music and rock music. He has
no desire to do anything. Hedoesn't want any favors. At this point,

(37:37):
he says, use him for someoneworthy, and then he mentions,
you know, is Mitch there?Is she here? But this is right
as he was about to leave,he just remembered, is Mitch here?
And Susie tells him. Now.There's an interview in The Hollywood Reporter where
Amy Sherman Palladino says, um,I think she said. I think Midge

(37:58):
sent Susie in, sent in anunemotional person for him to deal with because
I think seeing her would be tooembarrassing. Yeah, it could be all
sorts of things for him that Ithink she didn't want, And all she
wanted was somebody to yank him out. And I think she sort of felt
like, if Susie can't do it, then nobody can do it. Yeah,
she talked about valid. Yeah.Yeah, she said it would be

(38:20):
like she talked about in that interview, that it would be too much for
Midge, and Midge also didn't wantto make him feel embarrassed. Well,
I think Rachel Brasnahan, the waythat she played it and the look on
her face when Susie was just like, you know, coming out and confirming
like nope, good, like hedoesn't want any help. Like she just
looked utterly heartbroken and you can seethe tears welling up. And I was

(38:45):
just like, God, this issad. But I was sure in that
moment. I was like, thisis not going to be the way they
have us remembering Lenny. This cannotbe the last scene, Like we are
gonna get something else. And Iwas thank goodness. Yeah, I was
just like, thank god we didbecause this was pretty brutal to watch,
but I think it was necessary andit was They're playing Downtown in the background,

(39:07):
which is, you know, sofundamental. Yeah, it was very
ominous sounding because usually that song haslike a cheery quality to it. Yeah.
I don't know, though, thatsong can be quite ominous. Yeah,
yeah, we did. We dida dance recital to that, and
like first grade, we had ajazz dance recital with that song, and

(39:29):
now as an adult, I'm justlike that was an interesting choice and also
interesting choice because that was a bigsong that will it'll always remind me of
Girl Interrupted. Oh yeah, andthat has its connections to you know,
rehab and yeah, well my danceteacher was like an ex Broadway artist stuck

(39:52):
in Houston, Texas, so itwas probably getting things out that way.
Yeah. No, that song isaged very strangely, and I feel like
Girl Interrupted kind of was a partof that. All I have to say
is I want a Lenny Bruce spinoff. Though Luke Kirby, there's there's an
article where he talks about the thingsthat he would like to do, or

(40:15):
I think it was in a videointerview. He talked about some of the
things he would he would have likedto show as Lenny Bruce, and he
mentions an Australian tour that Lenny didthat he would have loved to perform and
I loved it too, And inthat interview he's so cute. He says
he didn't expect Lenny to appear morethan just the pilot and he had no

(40:36):
idea like what it would lead tothat chemistry. Yeah, I'm just so
glad they decided to bring him backfor more because Lenny Bruce, I mean,
Luke Kirby as Lenny Bruce is incredible. This is a role like he
was born to play this role.Yeah, he did him right. He's
gotten so much better at it asthe scene or as the show has continued

(40:58):
on. You know, every timeyou see him, he just gets burned
the performance to the point where nowit's like there's no separation between him and
Lenny. Him wholeheartedly he does.Yeah. Yeah, And I know there's
a movie with Dustin Hoffman from theseventies. What is it called Lenny I
believe I've never seen. Yes,I actually would like to see it.
But maybe that's something he can do. Maybe they can remake it be fun.

(41:22):
You know, I would watch it, but I mean it's it's fifty
years old, so maybe you knowthey love to do remakes. It's true,
you could do it in your podcast. Oh yeah, there a podcast
on that ship for sure. Luke. Luke Kirby is so hot right now.
I will watch anything he's in.Yeah, coming up, He's going
to be in the you know,the new Amy Sherman Palladino show. Excited

(41:45):
but he's going to be fun Yeah, serious, Yeah, we have a
we have a ton of amazing articlesand links to YouTube videos too, that
I'm going to put in the inthe show notes, there's a bunch of
stuff that talks about Lenny, Lenny'syou know, actually life and how he
went through his career and then youknow, eventually how it ended. And

(42:06):
Yeah, they did a really greatjob of showcasing him in the show,
and I love the way that itthat it ended in that last scene with
him. We'll get there later though, but I'm very glad that this was
not the last we saw of Lenny. Yeah, me too, agreed.
All right, so let's keep itmoving. What's the next scene? Oh
goodness, I was cracking up atSusie getting awakened so rudely by those cops

(42:34):
disturbing her sleep, and when he'slike hitting her like with his little baton
and poking her and she starts hittinghim back. He's like, hey,
stop it, and she goes youstop it, And just like the slapstick
and physical comedy of that whole scenemade me really happy, like when she's
running away from the cops and yousee her with the cops hat on and

(42:57):
the baton in the air and needdid the Betty Hill meets moments that felt
very much like a musical without themusical aspect of it. Yeah. Yeah,
it felt like a cartoon too,you know. Yeah. It was
like over Scooby Doo. She's thattiny little person on that oversized bench.

(43:19):
Yeah, and that that part ofUm Central Park. I got so excited
because I just remember going there likeevery day on our lunch breaks when I
was going to theater school, likeright around the corner. I just got
so excited. I was like mybench, Oh my god. Um,
but there's a song that's playing.It's a live recording of Bobby Short I
happen to like New York. Ilove this song, guys, I and

(43:44):
I have I have thought of thissong that it's so perfect. It's so
it's so perfect for this show.I've thought of this song and wondered why
they haven't played it on this show. It's probably my favorite song about New
York. Ever. I want thissong to be played at my funeral.
I like it's so I just feelso close to this song, I don't
know, and Bobby Short's voice likeit's so perfect for it because you can

(44:07):
hear like the cigarettes and the exhaustion. Yeah, he's got this relentless determination
in that song though in this likebooming enthusiasm that's like quint essentially New York.
It's just so good, Like it'sjust such a beautiful performance of that
song. I love Bobby Short,I love everything about it. And it
was and it was a beautifully shotscene, like you could see the trees,

(44:29):
the colors. I'm guessing they filmedit in the fall because like you
could see the colors of the trees. It was gone. It was so
pretty. It was gorgeous. Well, and I like how of course,
like you know, the series opensessentially with Susie going to pick up Midge
from jail, and we're ending itwith Midge. That was that phone call

(44:50):
that she had to rush. Iwas it was not an emergency what we
thought. I was so happy haha. Amy and Dan Palladino, Yeah
at us everyone's thinking, Hey's gonnahave a heart attack. And I was
like, god, I feel likean idiot now. But Tony Shaleub looked
like he was his heart was stopping. It looked like something was going on

(45:13):
a lot of sense. But thisI like this better, I think,
because I like this so much better. This is so it was so light,
it was adorable fun. And ofcourse Susie gets out like she's out
in what like a couple of hours. It seemed like because she plays poker
with the Chief of police, becauseof course she does. She does like

(45:36):
that was hilarious. They're just like, well, I feel very safe now
anyone who knows poker. This ishow justice works around here. But leading
into this, you know that thatraw conversation with Midge and Susie finally talking
about Hetty One that finally and thatrestaurant was stunning. I loved the lighting

(46:04):
in there. Everything about it wasso esthetically pleasing. I wanted to get
that chocolate. I was just like, it's a great deal. Yeah,
there's an article that talks about howthey rebuilt that whole um. Yeah it's
something else automatic. Yeah, andthen I don't know, I that was

(46:29):
almost gonna be my most marvelous momentis finally seeing Susie open up. And
I also obviously wanted to pat myselfon the back her calling it for her
relationship with Hetty, and it essentially, you know, getting her to the
point where she doesn't see herself everfalling in love again, Like she was

(46:52):
so in love with Hetty and sodeeply scarred by that experience that she's based
basically written off finding love. Ithink there was an article that I wanted
to point to where Amy Sherman Palladinoand Dan Palladino are talking, and I
think it's that same or it's AlexBorstein in that same Hollywood Reporter article maybe

(47:15):
that you were referencing Jade. Shementions that, you know, she felt
like Susie's only love that she everactually had or went after was Hetty,
And she said, I think maybeshe had other physical relationships, but I
think Hetty was it. I thinkthe next romance in her life was Midge.

(47:36):
I think that that was the nextperson she fell in love with,
and that was never physically realized.It was platonic, but it was just
as deep and just as powerful.But I really think that Hetty kind of
crushed her heart. I don't knowthat she was ever able to go after
that again. She was the firstand last, and that I think Alex
Borstein did a brilliant job making thatcross and that scene, Like my heart

(48:01):
was raking for her and how vulnerableSusie was in that state, and I
thought Midge received it very gracefully andacknowledged to her. You know, like
if I knew this, I wouldnever had gone to you and told you
you had to talk to her,and she was like, no, no,
I'm your manager. But I thoughtit was nice that Midge acknowledged that

(48:24):
point, like she has feelings,Yeah, she cares about Susie. She
doesn't want to see her in pain. And the way that Susie was kind
of downplaying her own appeal and talkingabout how it didn't make any sense,
like I know, you don't knowwhat she saw in Midge is like,
I know exactly what she saw onyou. I loved that. That just

(48:46):
made I think. I even watchingit, like I put my hand up
to my heart and I was like, oh, because she does. And
she's not full of shit, likeshe genuinely means it. She understands Susie's
worth and appreciates Susie for who sheis. But the way that Susie talked
about Hetty, I was just like, yeah, you were you were her
bead, like when she said thatHetty would come in and ask for sugarcubes

(49:09):
even though there were sugarcubes on thetable, And when she finally talked to
her about it, she's like,I just wanted to talk to you,
and Susie said eight fucking words thatcursed my life. Yeah. I think
it was important for us to finallyget that insight into Oh yeah, Susie's
you know, relationship and in herhead. And I saw that scene as

(49:34):
completely platonic, and I thought itwas interesting scrolling through Facebook that there were
some other people they're like, no, she loved her, Like that was
kind of her, you mean Midge. Yeah. So there's there's a there's
an interview with Alex Borson where shetalked about this, and she said they
were asking her what's the saddest detailabout the Hetty story, and she said,
there's two. One is the eightwords this woman said to her.

(49:58):
But I just wanted to talk toyou. That somebody showed interest in her
for the first time in her life, and you could see her crack when
she even relays that. Then themoment when Midge says, I think you'll
find love again, and Susie looksat her and asks if she were ever
a blonde. She's found her loveagain. It will always be platonic with
Midge, but it's the greatest loveof her life because she's the one that

(50:19):
sticks around. That moment's very heartbreakingto me that after being asked if you'll
ever love again, Susie asks herif she was ever a blonde. So,
according to Alex Borsen, it's herlike, like we've all we've been
saying this whole time. Susie hasa type. Hetty and Midge have their
similarities, you know. So shelooks at when As soon as Midge says,

(50:39):
I think you'll find love again,Susie looks up and she's like,
I already did you know? Likewere you ever a blonde? YEP?
I figured, of course you are, you know, And I don't think
that Susie. I just don't feelthat. Susie is thinking to herself,
I'm just gonna be close to Midge, who I love in that romantic way,

(51:00):
any possible way that I can beclose to her, even though she'll
never love me. No, Ithink that these two women love each other
equally on the same level. Idon't think I feel that Susie is completely
content loving Midge in this way.This is this is her her ride or
die, This is her wife,husband, whatever you want to call it,
her partner, you know, didn'tmake it romantic on you know,

(51:22):
one sided romance on one side.Yeah, yeah, yeah, No.
I think Alex Borstein's acting completely communicatedthat. I didn't need the article to
tell me. You know, peoplelove to ship things, guys. You
know, oh yeah, now that'scompletely true. But there is one Entertainment
Weekly article and I definitely encourage youguys to go read it. It'll be

(51:44):
linked in the show notes. Yeah, that's the article that I was quoting
from with Amy Sherman. Palladino,Dino like Palladino. That's a good sign.
It's not even that late yet.The interviewer said, Susie comes clean
to Midge about hetty in the natureof their relationship. Is this the first
time she's told anyone? And whatdoes it cost her to admit this?

(52:04):
And asp sa, you know,it is the first time she's ever probably
given extreme details about this. Andshe said the crux of this whole season
was really about their relationship. Midgeand Susie. If Susie had not met
Midge, Susie would would probably stillbe humping at the gaslight. She would
still not have found her way out. She had shut herself down to possibilities

(52:25):
in life, a lot of itbecause of the heavy situation. Midge opened
that door back up. The storyof Midge and Susie are two people brought
together by ambition, by a dream, and by circumstance. They never would
have achieved what they achieved without theother person there. It was another moment
in Susie's life where Susie could nothave been anything if Midge hadn't walked into

(52:46):
her life that way. The oneperson who, no matter how many times
she said fuck you, getaway,did not get away was Midge. And
it's true, like Susie is notthe most warm and welcome person, but
she she she's not easy to know. Yeah, but Midge was basically like,
fuck you, I'm in your life, Like we're gonna be friends.

(53:07):
I'll get you to say you loveme someday and that you're my friend.
Yeah, And I just I lovethat dynamic between them that it comes back
down to two ambitious, strong ashell women basically helping each other out and
helping the other one fulfill their dreams, which is a really cheesy sentence.

(53:29):
But I loved it. Like II'm still all there for Midge AND's SUSY's
relationship, and I'm still kind ofsad we didn't get to see more of
it this season, I know.And I'm also sad that we didn't get
to see anything more with Nina Arianda. I didn't get any last head and
I would have settled for even likea like a knowing, thankful nod yes

(53:52):
when I don't know, yeah,like I don't know though maybe not,
I don't know. I just wantedmore. I just want more of everything,
more of everything, please, Likethere was a couple. Yeah,
I wanted to see more of Moish. I was sad he wasn't in the
audience either, because he's the oneperson that didn't realize that she was funny

(54:13):
dude, did you say have thoughts? On his Instagram, he responded to
a comment. Kevin Pollock responded toa comment comic good lord, y'all,
I have not been drinking. Respondedto a comment that somebody was like,
you know, where was Moist more? We missed Moish like covering and on
painkillers, and I guess he hadKevin Pollock had a personal conflict that could

(54:37):
not be worked out and that's whyhe wasn't there. Yeah, Okay,
that's really weird though, because Ihave the quote Amy Sharon Palladino had said,
no, it was a choice thatwe made. Um, Shirley and
Moisch had their last moment when theywere laying on that floor together in the
shower, and like, it wasa choice we made to have to write
Moish out. And I'm like,no bad choice then, because boo yah

(54:59):
boo. Oh yeah, I wasvery upset. Finding that he had a
personal conflict is a little bit moreunderstanding. Yeah, that that was the
only thing that made sense to me. When he commented that, I was
like, oh, okay, thatchecks out. I love Kevin Pollack.
He's so thank you Kevin Pollack forletting us know. Yes, yeah,

(55:19):
this scene to just say my littlepiece about it, Like, I adore
these moments from Alex Borstein. Couldwatch it all day more. Please every
time Alex Sporstein gets a moment atthe at Jackie's funeral. That was my
favorite, my favorite episode of thewhole show, and definitely my favorite Alex
Sporstein moment was was at Jackie's funeral, But this one, she just has

(55:44):
such a way of delivering these linesso that it just hits you right in
the gut, man, because she'sso raw about it, and I had
just these personal connections to her story, like when she talked about the unnatural
pairings and like, what do youmean what did she see in me?
You know? And she talked aboutlooking like Hetty's dog in that hat.
I got so choked up because itjust I had a girlfriend. We were

(56:08):
together for a long time, andI thought she was the one. We
were living together, and she wasso wealthy, so clearly like better than
me in my opinion at the time. Like I felt stupid sometimes around her
because we had not like we hadnothing in common, but the things that
we did have in common were justour love for each other. And like

(56:30):
the way that Susie was talking aboutlike, oh this bitch she's sometimes yeah,
like I just like different worlds,yeah, the different the different worlds
in the way that like they couldn'trelate on very many levels. And she's
like but then when Susie was talkingabout how she's smart though, and she
was funny, like the way thatshe said she's funny. I was dying

(56:54):
her exactly the way that I wouldhave described yeah, my ex Oh god,
it just really really hit me.This whole Susie storyline, Well,
it really close. No wonder hergreatest fear is feeling insignificant, like this
was such a core traumatic experience forher it shaped the rest of her life.

(57:16):
Yeah, and I just Alex Borsteinis underrated, like she needs all
the attention, all the Emmys likeit just I don't know. I can't
remember the last group of actors thatmade me feel so much. Oh my
god, tell me about it.Tell me about it between between Rachel Brows

(57:38):
and hand Tony Schlub and Alex Borstein. And I will be very interested to
watch the awards the Emmys this yearbecause they're going to be sweeping it up.
I think this is going to bein everything, everywhere, all at
once. Missus masl moment here forit a better base. Yep. I
loved how when um she was talkingabout how that like their dream was to

(58:02):
move to Egypt and oh god,you know, right, camels to the
ridge people, and how they wentinto a depth or uglike and raise them
to be arrogant bucks since ye confusedthe shit out of everyone, you know,
I hope she did. I hopeshe did that. I hope that's
still became part of her dream whereNo, she just got a bunch of
exotic birds. Yeah she did it, named one of them more. I'm

(58:28):
maybe she taught them to say routeand arrogant things to people. I hope.
So, oh, you know it, you know it? Yeah,
it was yeah, Yeah, thatSusie was my spirit at all. Yes,
yeah, but it was. Itwas very and that she burned that
fucking hat because I think just sayingthat, Hetty must have said something about

(58:49):
that hat, like must have saidthat Susie was cute with that hat and
love that hat. Yeah, andshe burned that fucking hat after you guys,
I was I was like sobbing throughthis scene. I saw bang.
I'm not kidding you like it.It hits so close to oh my god,
I'm gonna okay, I know,I'm not gonna think about too hard,
but like already at this point inthe episode, I'm like, goddamn,
it's like it just started. It'slike we're ten minutes in and I'm

(59:14):
solving it. But you know what, they at least put all this like
heavy deep, like kind of digginginto the characters where they're at in either
in the past or now. Theydid in the beginning and allowed us to
kind of go through the rest ofthe episode with some levity and some anxiety.
That's true, to get through thoselast four minutes. But it was

(59:37):
nice. Yeah. Cutting to AmanRose and brilliant little Esther who was totally
her idea for Ethan to run hishead under hot water, I was like,
thank you, this is the levitythat I need right now. I
wonder if that was another kind oflike Amy Sherman, Palladino, Damn Paladina
go and haha how I We alsomight have said, like maybe the kids

(59:59):
were sick, and that's another thereason why the boone call, because they
were pretending to be sick. Ohmy god, yeah, oh yeah.
Ave and Rose were having trouble discipliningthe children because they were also smarted.
They called them nitwits and dodo birdsbehind their backs, and the ABE was
like so cute, so indignant.They faked illnesses and rubbed our faces in

(01:00:21):
it was so funny. And Roseis like they should be punished and named
good idea, I'm going to thevoice, Well, you don't expect me
to do it? They have noidea. Then Vinch comes home and and
he's like, oh good, theirmother can do it, and it's like,
no, she wanted. And thenRose is so concerned with like they
say, the children who lie becomeviolent criminals? How does that not concern

(01:00:44):
you? And just like no,not particularly, I thought, is their
mother you'd like to do something aboutit? Like what, how should I
know? Well, there you haveit, I learned from the best Yep,
that line. That was a littlebit of a burner. Rose.
Yeah, the little this episode howa lot of little unsettling bits about the
children. I love it. Ilove it too. Oh I loved it.

(01:01:07):
I just it's real. Maybe giveit to me. And it made
me appreciate those flash forwards so muchmore because they paid off. Man took
about you know, eight episodes,but they fucking paid off. They did,
and we don't have to worry aboutthem because we go, oh yeah
that was at the beginning. Yeah, I know what happened to the kids.
Yeah, yeah, I don't knowwhat it's what I'm not sure what

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the show is trying to say aboutMidge as a parent. It goes back
and forth between like her as abad mom being funny, but then the
flash forwards at the beginning of theseason take it to a very serious level,
and then here we are at thefinish, back to like lighthearted joking,
ha ha, being a bad mom. Isn't it hilarious? I don't
know. It's kind of like aloose end that they never really tied up.
But that's that's life. I don'tsee her as a bad parent.

(01:01:52):
I see she's a very good parent. I see she's a working mother.
Yeah, and it's a working motherbefore that was a thing, yes,
exactly, like she she can't beboth, Like she can't be a stay
at home mom and work, butshe tries. She does multiple things.
She's she's supporting her family. Ithink she's a great mom. She might
not do a traditional job, butyou know, she might be doing things

(01:02:15):
that some people don't agree with whatshe does. But I don't think she's
a bad mom. She might nothave been home a lot, and that's
that is difficult on the relationships ofthe kids, but I don't think that
makes her a bad mother. No, no, yeah, I don't think
she's a bad mom one. EvenAmy Sherman Palladino has said, you know,
Midge essentially was before her time interms of acknowledging that, hey,

(01:02:37):
maybe I wasn't meant to be amother, And she says that in the
pilot episode when she gets up onstage at the Gaslight, she brings that
up, and asp is also talkedabout like, look, Midge was in
that time where you were expected tohave kids, and if she and Joel

(01:02:58):
were married today, they would probablynot have kids. And I think it
is an interesting like it's you know, it's funny because it's a comedy,
but I think it's an interesting takeat, you know, the kind of
consequences that we face when you putall these societal pressures in expectation on women,
yes, who are maybe pressured orforced to have children when that is

(01:03:24):
not something that they see for themselvesor not something that they want to do,
but they end up, one wayor another being in that situation.
And I thought it was pretty pertinentand kind of a more lighthearted take on
what that looks like without getting toopolitical. Times have change, and it's

(01:03:47):
you know, luckily we do livein a society where parents can both have
careers and still have families if theychoose to do so. But you know,
one of the reasons that I likethe ending is and obviously we'll get
there. I'm kind of jumping,but the I didn't see Midge's loneliness or
midges being living alone the way thatshe is sad or because we see she

(01:04:13):
had that life she had the wellnot three before thirty, but you know,
she had the husband and two kidsand like the perfect life that the
housewife life, and she did not. She was so unhappy. She was
just like get me out of you, or she was scaling the walls,
like her house was so clean andpristine, hersing over her body image and
altogether too much time on her hands, you know, too much measuring her

(01:04:36):
body every day, and god,so unhealthy. She was just focused on
all the wrong things and she hadso much to give and nowhere to put
that. You know, funny thatyou say that, because that was my
interpretation for the most part, andI think a lot of it is also
me projecting on how I would havefelt in that how wife's situation that she

(01:05:00):
was in, where she's you know, putting on face cream and curlers every
night and putting on makeups before herhusband wakes up, but making briskets like
her fucking job. But they're AmySharon Palladino. There are a couple of
articles that have come out within thelast week. They she and Dan both
see it as Midge loved her lifebefore. Like there's a quote in an

(01:05:24):
EW article where it's saying like sheredefined what a big life is, and
asp said she thought, I've gotthe big life. I'm the most popular
girl in my neighborhood, and everybodyloves me and listens to me. And
I've got the two kids, andI got a nice looking husband, and
my mom and dad are upstairs,and I got a great apartment. That's
what her version of a big lifewas. She learned what a big life

(01:05:45):
really could be, at least forher as the series went on, and
essentially, you know, we canput it up in the show notes,
but she goes into realizing, Okay, well I was great at this and
now I want to be great atthis and seeing it as two different successes
and how I could see that woodMidge was it being a housewife, and

(01:06:06):
they talk about that in her relationshipwith Rose, and we see how close
they were at the beginning of theseries, and Midge saw Rose kind of
as you know, the ideal herhero. Yeah, they were like best
difference and then the pilot. Andthat's a TV line article where ASP goes

(01:06:27):
into a little bit more of detailabout that. Yeah, but I thought
it was it was really interesting thatthey saw it as Midge excelling in her
life as a housewife. And there'sone quote where they say Midge was never
happier than the day before her lifeessentially blew up when Joel left her.

(01:06:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ican. I can see that. I
can see that as being the case, but I can The way that I
interpreted is that she didn't It's likeshe kind of woke up to the reality
of the fact that Joel wasn't wasn'thappy. But what is it the blue
pill or the great the red pill. Yeah, yeah, it's like she
thought it's disturbing. I'm sure itwas disturbing to her how she thought that

(01:07:13):
her husband was completely content and thenall of a sudden, Oh my god,
you're cheating on me. Oh mygod, you're leaving me. Like
when did this occur? Where haveI been, Where have you been?
Where have we been? Who haveI been living with? You know,
that's not only scary and terrifying,that's shocking. Yeah. So her romantic
life, I get was satisfied earlyon, like she was happy and had

(01:07:36):
all that you know success then andthen it's like a switch flipped and her
eyes were opened. It's like inWizard of Oz when all of a sudden
it's in color. It's in color. Yeah, like her eyes are opened
up to what she can actually achieve. I guess, I guess what I

(01:07:58):
what I think is that if youcould ask Midge in that big, huge,
palatial, you know, palace whateverwe're with no one around, um,
would you would you go back toyour old life? I'm sure that
Midge would say no. Yeah,if it's a toss up between having that
old life and no stand up comedycareer or having um the stand up comedy

(01:08:20):
career with without the family or whatever, she would pick the state, you
know, being a comedian. Yeah. And I think she said that last
episode with um who is at Petrassaid like now when you remarry and you
do this and that basically if youwhen once you remarry and go back to
like your old life. You canlook back at this. And so when
she realized, oh I don't wantto go back to that, I feel

(01:08:42):
like that would be her. Yeahfor sure. And there's been and there's
been, um a time before whenMidge has said I am going to be
alone forever. Like she's already saidthis, you know, she's actualized it.
And yeah, although she'll try toget married several more our times.
Yeah, she knows, she knowswho her who her real person is.

(01:09:05):
It's not a husband. Yeah.So anyway, Midge goes to the writer's
room after her um Rose tells heror before you go on, I wanted
to just mentioned that when she's changingin her for the first time, Um,
the paintings on the wall, yes, yeah, did you notice that

(01:09:28):
the painting from when she's changing.Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, from
the from the one episode with herfirst the first painting that she ever bought
was it was there again, itwas just looking she was looking at it.
Yeah, the painting that came witha hat. Yes, yeah,
because she wanted that girl to tellher, tell her the joke like it

(01:09:51):
was like her mona Lisa, mI miss Benjamin too. I miss Benjamin
too. Um, okay. SoMidge goes to work and she like,
word vomits all over Alvin. Thiswas funny. And she keeps calling her
parents. She's like, I havevery old parents. My parents are elderly,

(01:10:12):
Like rude. What she means islike they're helpless idiots. Yeah,
but she just kept calling them oldand elderly. I'm like, actually,
you have very young parents. AndI mentioned that they're old, yeah,
old, like I have very IYou're She was saying, like, how
insensitive they're being to the fact thatI have children and very old parents.
I'm like, what the fuck whatare you talking about? And then yeah,

(01:10:34):
when she leaves the room, anddid she say her children were Socia
pats. That was so funny.So yeah. So then Gordon offers her
a spot on the show, andI could not hate him much. I
was so uncomfortable, Chris, oh, when she comes in and so how

(01:10:55):
to go with Jack Parr. Youdidn't wow him? Oh my god.
And then she says, I'm patient, Yeah, sure, is that is
that what you called out your hounds? I'm like, oh, Gordon,
I wouldn't say what you're called yourwife a hound? Seriously? Right?
He was such a shark Dick inthis episode, and I still don't really
get it, Like I feel likehe should not. I don't know,

(01:11:17):
Like I know that it's the PalladinoShow and he had direction, but I
feel like it's not consistent with howhe was in the beginning. Like he
has seen her, he thought shewas hilarious, like he's seen her live
at least two times now, buthe didn't give it about what about their
dayton dance at the diner, Itseemed like he did like at that did

(01:11:41):
that even happen? That's that's thescene that throws me off. I was
like, he did appreciate her,and they acknowledge, like in multiple interviews
that him coming around at the endof this you know, segment was genuine
and he realized she really had itand he thought she was great, And
I was then, why did youmake him be such a such an ass

(01:12:05):
whole? Yes, okay, maybewe needed one more scene with him and
Hetty, you know, like see, yeah, gosh, so okay,
when when Gordon eats his words atthat point, whatever, fucking I just
want to I'll get this out ofthe way, because I when we actually
get to talking about that scene,I want to talk happy things. So
let's just talk about fucking Gordon Fordright now. When he says this,

(01:12:28):
you know here, I need tointroduce this girl, this woman to you.
I didn't introduce her. She's makingher first, but definitely not last,
appearance on the Gordon Ford Show.May I present the Magnificent, the
Magical, the marvelous missus Basil.The fact that Gordon says that line,
yeah, I said, screamed outloud. Why him? It most almost

(01:12:49):
ruined it for me. I wouldhave preferred am I going to say it?
I was like, why not Lenny? Yes, Lenny? Why not
Susie? Why not Aber? Orthe announcer or fuck even Joel. No,
couldn't have been the announcer. That'snot personal enough, but even fucking
Joel. I would have been satisfiedwith any of those people calling her the
marvelous missus. Oh you had tomake it, Gordon Forward. I I

(01:13:12):
had my missus white flame, flame, breathing, breathe. I hated him
so much. Okay, So anyonewho hasn't anyone who has an issue with
the Joel redemption story, I wouldreally like to know what do you think
of this? Gordon? Forward momentbecause he completely changes his mind about Midge

(01:13:33):
three sixty in a matter of fiveseconds, and you can see on um,
what's his name, Red Scott.I always forget his read Scott,
thank you. I always want tocall him Scott read because Reid is a
weird first name. I can't yeahwhatever. So you can even see it
in him. It is difficult forhim to make this transition as an actor.
He's this writing that he has given. He's like, wow, if

(01:13:57):
I'm thinking of this in terms ofhow would I act that? Right?
Because I'm given some fucking crazy scriptsin my life, some weird ass shit
that I'm like, Okay, howis my How am I going to believably
take this character from A to Blike this? I mean in five lines?
How am I going to go fromfeeling one way to feeling completely a
different way? You got to figureit out. As an actor, that's

(01:14:17):
your job. Fucking figure it out. No one's gonna help you, especially
not in film. In television.It's like, directors often don't work with
you. And I don't know howAsp works with her actors, but I
could see him struggling as an actor. I could see it because it's not

(01:14:38):
doesn't take sense with how like we'vewe've seen him be a jerk, but
not to that level of like,Yep, the first time Hettie is hetty.
The first time that I thought Iwas like, whoa, this is
not? Who is this guy nowwas when he reacted to Hankazaria's character Danny

(01:14:59):
Stevens coming on and trying to poachMidge. Like the way he reacted in
that moment, like I could seehim getting a little irritated, but I
just like the way he was paintedand portrayed before that is that he was
kind of smoother than that, andone of his feathers as ruffled, and
I was like, why are theymaking him? I does he think that

(01:15:24):
it? Does he feel like emasculatedby Eddie because she did that or but
he definitely did not like he hascontrol issues, that is clear. He's
a boss. Remember he's a buss. Yep. He did not like them
going around him. And I thinkif if they had tried or been a
little bit more patient and had adifferent approach where it would be his idea

(01:15:45):
and they could convince him and kindof manipulate him into doing that, it
would have been really different. Ijust I don't. But the way that
it's this, it's consistent for himto be this no chalant well, okay,
I don't know if I would agreewith that, because I have seen
him as as you anyone who's listenedknows that I've seen him as nothing but
petulant for quite a while now.I think that they were trying to show

(01:16:06):
him as being smooth Karat's lovely.That you saw that sis and that it
worked for you never worked for me. But the way that I saw that
this storyline played out to take himto this place where he's saying, ladies,
a gentleman, the magical, themystical, the marvelous missus. It
read as schmultz to me, thisis cheese. It did not work.

(01:16:29):
This is I'm sorry, bad writing. It's just the whole Gordon character has
been poorly written from start to finish. I just don't know what to make
of it. I agree with you. I still love that moment, Okay,
Yes, I still okay, Yes, That's why I'm I want to
talk about it now because when weget to the actual scene and that part
down, I want to be talkingabout fucking Rachel Brosnahan in that moment.
It never looked more beautiful in herfreaking life I met. But yes,

(01:16:54):
I think that with Joel, theway that it was spread his character arc
his I should arc the way thatit was spread over an entire like several
seasons. I can digest it,I can accept it. Do I like
it? No, not all thetime, but done this way, this
is the Palladino's weakest point for eightepisodes. Yeah, this is very like

(01:17:17):
it was going. It's not consistentwell. And it's reasons like this that
the Gilmour Girls is annoying at timesbecause they pull things out and they contrive
a plot and they contrive a characterto just make something work. When you
know what, I can think ofabout ten different ways that this could have
been played that it would have workedjust as well, if not better.
So because they happy clearly wanted itto come off like they have stated point

(01:17:42):
blank that they wanted it to comeoff that. Gordon was genuine in his
like appreciation for her in this moment, and he this is the man who
was ready to like physically man handleher to pull her away from that mic.
He looked mutinous when she said,you know the thing about like I've

(01:18:03):
never really been one to follow therules or something like that. I was
like, yeah, he looks scaryright now, like he's about to lose
it. And then to just likestart laughing and chuckling in his chair and
like yeah, I was like,what the fuck is happening like this?
It just it bothers. I justsaw I saw it. I saw it

(01:18:24):
as an actor and it looked soforced. It. This was like bad.
It wasn't even bad acting. It'sjust a bad like an actor trying
to act a bad scripts. Hecouldn't help it. No, Yeah,
yeah, Susie. Susie said itperfectly. Susie was like my inner monologue
when she's talking to Joel Um.Oh yeah, he's a baby being driven
suddenly by his ego and paper thinnutsacks. And he bumped her in the

(01:18:45):
stool. The audience started laughing,and I guess he shoit his diaper up.
I was like, yes, Susie, yep, yep, yep,
yep. Perfect way of describing it. Anyway, back to Um this moment
with Midge in Gordon's office. He'ssuch a dick when he's a problem,
not convenient to when I have yourgirl talk to my girl, And you

(01:19:06):
know what, why don't I justpostpone the whole fucking show until you figure
out your schedule? And I,uh, it doesn't bother you that I'm
thrilled. I was like, fuckoff. Yeah, he's just such a
piece of shit child. He doesn'teven have like the brains to hide the
fact that he's upset. He's like, well, he's like, yeah,

(01:19:27):
you better shut the door because whenI hurled this glass at the door,
it'll fly into the bullpen and hitsomeone in the head. Lawsuits. I
was like, grow up, youdick, like at least be a man
and try to hide your feelings.That didn't make sense to me. It
didn't make sense. I get whatyou're saying here. This is character inconsistency.
Like I totally that line when hewhen he was talking about hurling the

(01:19:48):
glass at the door, I waslike, even him, even this petty
fucking asshole that he has been forme, he would not be such an
idiot to say that's dramatic, Like, yeah, a little much, But
I childlike Midge when you know heis clearly upset and overreacting, and you
can see like Midge taking a secondand when she pauses, and she says

(01:20:12):
Gordon, and she's about to eitherit seems like, console him or attempt
to smooth things over or make somesort of comment, and then she stops
herself. Because when she started talking, I was like, don't and I
was like, oh, don't.I want her. I was like,
that's kind of fun. But youcould see her like resolve like Okay,
nope, like I'm gonna take this. I've earned it, Like he can

(01:20:35):
pout if he wants to, andI'm gonna go do my little happy day.
Yeah, I'm gonna go change.Yeah, because good lord, that
reaction just seemed like, we knowhe's smug and he's an asshole, but
that was that was a little overthe top for me to where I was
just like, I don't I don'tknow if I buy that extreme. Yeah,

(01:20:59):
No, it was so I'll beshutting up now about Gordon Ford.
Um, that's all I have tosay. I'm sorry anyone who doesn't agree,
but that's our feelings. That thoseare my feelings. Um. I
did really like when she popped herhead back into the writer's room and she
said she had to go home andchange, and they're like, you just
changed She's like, I could explainit to you, but there would be
terms like side darts and rooting bandiedabout just go. So Midge goes home

(01:21:24):
to change and they were they werepissed about the rule. But then like
when she kind of put them inshe said aside, they're like, I
don't have to change. Yeah,there was Alvid. It was funny Mel.
No, that was mel. Ohit's mal, that's right. Yeah,
he's precious. He's precious about himsoon, yes, right, only

(01:21:45):
murders, only murders. And whatwas the cat's name? Oh, Evelyn
number seven, Lucky number seven.And I can't wait, Oh god,
I know I can't wait too.So then we go into the Dinah,
Susie, Maggie, they're having bucketproblems. I'm so happy we saw Maggie

(01:22:11):
again, and we saw Susie Meyersonan associates the office again. Yes,
this bucket thing was so funny.When did it ever occur to you to
tell him to just walk two feetto the left and have him actually drop
it at Susie Meyerson and associates.No, because we have the bucket.
The bucket is good. And she'swhat scares me is that we are three

(01:22:33):
of the more intelligent people in showbusiness. Oh it's great love and just
I love that there's like all thisbusiness still happening, like in the background
the whole time that the scene isgoing on when Midge comes in. So
then Midge comes in and she's like, how does this outfit look? Does
this outfit look like? I couldbe on the Gordon Ford Show. And
Susie's like, you're gonna We're gonnabe on the court and she's like,

(01:22:57):
fuck you. And I just lovethe way she goes fuck you. Yes
and the baby both screamed You're gonnabe on the show, Like, oh
my god, I was so excitedin this moment. Listeners, I'm sorry,
but this is just gonna be agush fst like I just everything.
I'm just like, I loved it. I loved it. I loved it.

(01:23:18):
When she said I'm antiguity without thelaughs, that was fantastic. Racked
me up because if anyone's like redantignity, if anyone theater people, if
you know antigny, there are nolaughs. It's like so tragic. It
was really funny. That got mylittle theater self, Yeah, crack it

(01:23:41):
up. My dogs are going insaneright now. I'm just gonna throw that
out there. I'm not torturing animalsat my house. Yeah, you're sorry,
guys on the podcast. Sorry,she prepped for this, but the
doggies they want to be heard.Yeah, I made a blockade and they
are protesting. Oh god. Yeah, I'll try really hard to cut them

(01:24:02):
out, but it's pardon me ifI can't do it. Um So anyway,
Susie. Susie turns to Maggie atthe end of the scene and you
you find us that squirrel and she'slike on it. Yeah, the whole
scene going on across the other building, and just god, the beautiful smooth

(01:24:23):
camera work. And like there's thismoment where the camera the camera moves around
and Maggie in the background, shegoes like in and out of focus at
the perfect moment when she goes onit, like she goes out of focus,
then back into focus, then outof focus and then back into focus.
And you, guys, I don'tknow shit about camera, but all
I do know is that that shitis hard to do. And they just

(01:24:44):
do this. They do it likeon the regular. It looks like it's
effortless, but you know, it'snot, Oh my god. And it's
the way that a camera like thatcan make a line funnier, you know.
It's that it's that when the cameragoes into focus and you see Maggie
in the background and she goes intofocus right as she says on it like
it makes the line funnier. Youknow, it's just brilliant. It's just

(01:25:05):
this show is firing on all cylinders. Everyone and the crew. It's amazing.
Loved it so much. So nextscene, Yes, we get some
Joel, we get some moist,we get some Shirley. We're back at
the warehouse. It's as we're inthe warehouse and um, you know,
Joel gets a call from from Midgeand she tells them the good news and

(01:25:30):
it's it was just so heart filledand so sweet, and he's like sincerely
proud of her, like you know, it's it's you can hear it in
his voice. He's just so excitedfor her. He gives her blood,
he gives the blessing of her touse him in her bit. It's like,
just go right at it, andit just it was it just made
me more excited for her. Talkabout growth. Yes, yes, and

(01:25:56):
I did also notice when she leanedback put her elbow back. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, with our friendsthe pigeons art. Oh gosh, oh
goodness, gracious. So yeah.So but that that was a really sweet
little moment between Mitchen Joel. Thatwasn't the last time they spoke, was
it? She she spoke with himback at the at the studio before the

(01:26:18):
show, right him. But yeah, but it's it still is like one
of the last times they interact beforethe finale was over. I don't think
that they actually speak. This isthe last time. I think they just
they just like have a she blowshim a kiss, that's all. That's
right. They don't they have someset of No. I don't think they
talk at all in the audience.Yeah, very apropos that she said she

(01:26:43):
was leaving the tickets for him underthe one that got away. Yeah,
and their connection was absolutely deep there, like you know, there's still love
there and you know my little heart'slike you could feel it. Yeah.
I felt like Michael Zegan when helike hung up the phone and was like
grinning ear to ear and had thatlittle giggle. I was like, that's
that's a Michael Zegan laughed like I'veheard that laugh at interviews, like I

(01:27:05):
feel like he and Rachel had sucha fun time filming that scene, Like
the joy of these actors and theiremotions coming through with it. This being
the finale just made it so muchmore compelling to watch. And I was
grinning like an idiot during me too, like the fan. The fan in

(01:27:30):
me loves it, but I'm justannoyed at the writing for making Joels so
one dimensional. I would have lovedit for Joel to have any kind of
an actual story. This whole season, he has served to do nothing but
make amends to Midge and give hereverything for nothing in return except danger.
That's his penance for a season one. The entire season was just one color

(01:27:56):
for Joel, redemption, the colorof redemption, you know, But my
Zegan is so damn likable and likeyou're saying, you know, this moment
between these two actors like that thatthis whole last episode, I was reminded
a lot more. I'm never everreminded these are actors. When I'm watching
this show, I get lost init, even though it is so heightened

(01:28:17):
and it is so unrealistic to thepoint of almost being like fantasy level,
Like this could, this ship wouldnever happen. Whatever. It's so real
to me. These characters feel solived in, they feel so like real
people. We talk about them likethey're real people because they feel like real
people. But this episode, Iwas constantly like Michael Zegan Rachel Bras in
a hand, like I was lookingat the actors because they can't contain it,

(01:28:41):
you know, and not in thebad way and in the way that
like I'm happy for the for thecharacters, but I'm happy for these actors,
Like, good job guys, youknow. Yeah, yeah, oh
that's very very fair. Um.So we get into the warehouse and we
see again. I was so happyto see Archie and Joel and they're talking
about something that was it something thatShirley did. She she tricked Archie into

(01:29:05):
buying all of these hoop skirts.Yeah, and Archie is like trying to
fix it. And I was sothrilled to see missus Mouskowitz one more time.
She's one of my favorites. Cynthia. Her name is Cynthia Darlow.
I love her. I love her. She's adorable, and I was just
so happy and then moistens Shirley comeout jolly with their canes, with their

(01:29:26):
kids, and I was just notexpecting this little flashback by so hilarious,
Like just like all of a sudden, we go back and who were talking
about how Moist is getting up earlyto kind of take over the warehouse while
the other guy who runs it isnot there, and he's he falls and
slips into the shower. We dropsthe soap and of course he falls,

(01:29:49):
and it's really comical. And thenShirley Sharlie Scrimmage in a fur coat and
she of course, of course itwas cold. Of course she was naked,
she said so. And then whenshe comes in that bathroom though,
and she goes, moish, whatshit? The look on her face,

(01:30:15):
it was so silly. It wasso funny that that was I think this
is a perfect way for their charactersto kind of resolve their ending. It
was. It was hilarious, Itwas over the top. It was bunkers.
I loved it so much. Andthen she just collapsed on him wear
the fur coat and what did hesay? It always like what it was

(01:30:35):
like having a wet yack on topof me. And then they just talked
to the kind of talk way Ican't even quote it. Right. It
was just so funny. But youknow what I wanted to be in that
conversation. They looked so happy.They were just enjoying that moment of just
being stranded together and probably a freezingcold shower at that point because the cleaning

(01:30:59):
lady wasn't coming in till mid morning, and they both hurt themselves. It
was just terrible, but it washilarious. It was so sweet too,
was extremely sweet. You could onlysee them like the mouthing these words because
we couldn't hear exactly what they weresaying. But there's like a point where
where Caroline Aaron just goes, Ilove you, and he just goes,
I love you, and like they'relike, and can I just say,

(01:31:20):
Caroline Aaron, what a babe layingon that pretty dreams? I mean,
all the actors looked I've never seenthem look so good. Then in this
episode, everyone everyone was on gorgeous. They looked another level like yeah,
but but seriously, Caroline Aaron,what a hottie lay on that floor?

(01:31:43):
Man, she's looking glad Russ withher wet yak, you know, her
coat, and it's so it mademe think it back with the season where
you know Moist at the heart attackand that was what the end of season
four, correct, Yeah, yeah, and then you know, and then

(01:32:04):
they they like wanted to get intoforce and all because he was refusing to
retire. But this little moment,this again another possible near death experience,
allowed them to kind of finally understandwhat they needed to do. So they're
retiring, they're going to sell thewarehouse, and they're moving the Book of
a Tone and moving the book andgood for them, good for them,

(01:32:28):
That's what I had in my notes, exactly good for them, good for
them. Yes, I know.I loved everything about this, but my
favorite line was what Moist said aboutlike you know, what was it?
Life is precious, it's not aboutyou. Oh yeah, you have to
think of what your life? Whatabout the workers that fuck them? Yea,
so so good. I really lovedthat scene and it was I think

(01:32:53):
the only thing that made me saidagain was like Moist was not at the
actual UM live show, because Ithink it would have been perfect even if
they said um even if they usedsome of the old footage of them watching
the TV. I don't know,like, come on, it's there's ways
of doing this. Just to kindof show, like because it was such
a wrong he was sitting there likeclearly high on pain killers or something,

(01:33:15):
finally giggling. It's something that Midgesays on the TV like I would have
would it would have been it wouldhave been worth it. But yeah,
I mean I wonder if I wouldrather because I loved Shirley in that audience.
I really did, Like I lovedher so much. Everything that she
was doing was just enough and itwas just, you know, so wrong.
It was right, like as Shirleyalways is. But I wonder if

(01:33:36):
I would have liked it better justto have Kevin Pollock there because I really
felt his absence guys, like Iwas, I did. I was annoyed
and like it took me out ofit for a minute. I'm like,
no, where is Moist? Whyis Moist? No? Are they really
not going to I just think he'sgonna fly in on as he's gonna do
something weird to get himself in thescene. I'm like, where the fuck
is Moist? It was like distractingto me, you know, it shouldn't

(01:33:59):
have been. So I'm like,maybe if they had had Caroline Aaron stay
home with him and like then theycould have cut to them. Yeah,
they could have filmed it on anotherday. But would I would I rather
have that and sacrifice. No,Caroline Aaron, No, Shirley in the
audience. I really enjoyed Shirley inthat audience. Well, you can hear
her so loud. What did shesay, Oh yeah, oh, dear
Jake, yes, yes, orsomething that was so funny. She's like,

(01:34:21):
oh my god, Shirley, Ohmy god god. Yeah, I
don't know, love it, butanyway, let's keep it moving. Midge
is, you know, wraps upher phone call with Joel and is heading
out and obviously notices like, ohshit, she got pigeon shit on her
elbow and it needs to get anew dress. I love that exchange when

(01:34:45):
she's like, did you lean onthe sill? You never lean on the
sill. The sill belongs to thepigeons. It's just like Susie is gone.
Now she is a bird person andit is a wonderful Yeah. She's
something like their world, this smallmiriam them something. Yeah, I thought
of you, Kara, I was, I was. I was thrilled.

(01:35:06):
But and then Dinah stepping up andsaving the dup, say, I would
have proposed to her too, Sothen they're you know, getting ready for
what they think is supposed to beMidge's act in the dressing room. And

(01:35:28):
I just enjoyed their exchange about thekids when Midge is said, you know,
I'm wondering if I should mention thekids at all, and Susie's like,
kids are relatable, those little fuckersare everywhere. Yes, it was
like that is Amy Sherman Palladino speakingthrough Susie. She usually does, oh
yeah, and you know Midge.I thought that whole exchange with Midge,

(01:35:51):
Susie and the actor playing the makeupartist was hilarious, seamless, that bass
zippy dialogue and you know, midgesno, no, and then she's like,
of course I want you to doit, You're the professional, and
then immediately is like no, likewhy don't you just let me do it?
Like that, that whole scene Ithought was acted lawlessly. Their timing

(01:36:15):
was fantastic, And then you andwe really get a glimpse into like what
kind of a famous person Midge isgoing to be. You know, oh
yeah, we all know, likeyou know how they tell her. They
tell Susie way back when she's aboutto go on tour with Shy bald Baldwin.
She needs a weird ask for Midge, and it was like the fucking

(01:36:36):
yellow Teddy Bears everywhere or something everywherelike bears. I think it was again
covered everywhere, Like I want toknow what Midge's weird ask becomes after she
gets her big breaks, because youknow it's there, like I like to
think, especially when Susie and herare strange, it's like puffs or something

(01:37:00):
that reminds her of Susie. Butoh yeah, we definitely got a glimpse
into whipped cream shirt just pure whippcrew, just tubs of whipped cream.
That would be super Yeah. Ohthat makes me happy. But dinah,
God just saving the day bringing inthose burg Dwarf dresses and getting them to

(01:37:26):
essentially give them to Midge for free, just as long as you. Didge
throws out a mentioned and well,I will say I loved that final big
break dress that she was in offthe shoulders with the bow. I think
that may have been my favorite lookthroughout the entire series, like with the

(01:37:47):
red nails and the red lip,like she just looked spectacular. See,
I'm not the hugest fan of bows. My favorite look on Midge will always
be the one I stand with LennyBruce dress. Oh that like red tinted
black skirt thing with the blue belt. Oh just chef's kiss baby. That

(01:38:09):
was such a good look, andwe got to see it again this episode.
I was so yeah. When Isaw that dress, I was like,
Oh, this is the moment,this is the Chinese food scene.
Oh my god, I was freakingout. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
when he went to get her terribleChinese food. Oh but yeah, the
berg Dwarf saving the day moment justmade me smile. I was like,
Dinah is on top of shit,like MVP, MVP. Yeah, Dina,

(01:38:32):
I am not marrying a comedian.Her response is not like, I
don't go that way. It's justnot not in not a comedian, No,
no way, don't know. I'mnot doing that, but I just
I don't know. This was alsoleading up to the next moment that I
got teary eyed in this episode,when Midge gets Abe on the phone.

(01:38:53):
I freakin loved that scene. Iwas tearing up when a first It was
great to see Rachel Brosnan and TonyShalhoub have the little comedic back at forth
with when she was like, I'vebeen looking for you. Well I'm at
work. I know that now andshe's like well then or he gets well,
then mystery so off, goodbye Miriam, and it was ready to hang

(01:39:14):
up. I was like, damnit, man, like hold on,
and his face when he says likeyou're a guess, like well outb and
yeah, he like says it underhis breath like that he's well, He's
like, wellp like he's so likehe thought of it before, you know,
like this is not the first timeit's crossed his mind, like it

(01:39:35):
is happening and happening. Yeah,he is shook. And then you know,
I love the said I gotta go. I'm sitting here in the bullpin
in my underwear and he's like Idon't want to hear anymore, like don't
tell me about that. But whenhe tells her, you know, like
uh, you know wait and she'slike yes, he goes this is really
wonderful, and I was like aglassy yeah, I was like that is

(01:39:59):
him. That is a telling Midgethat he is proud of her, like
that is the and she like feelsit and that thank you Papa was so
loaded and sweet. Oh. Iwas tearing up. I was like,
shit, if they do any moreof this, I'm in trouble. I
know. That was such a nicemoment, and it was. It was

(01:40:23):
perfect for these times these freaking riderstoo, Like I love the addition of
the kind of rider's room almost noGreek chorus kind of in the back of
this season because when Midge hangs upthe phone and you see her sitting there
her underwear, all of them werelike gathered in the window, just like
staring at her. And they allquickly dispersed, except from Mel continues to

(01:40:45):
glare at her. Okay, butI was like, why is Midge in
her fucking underwear? Not even likesitting in a chair. She's in a
seductive pose like displaying herself leaning againstthe desk with the robe open. I'm
like, why close your robe?Girl? Like I found this really distracting

(01:41:05):
for a minute, like an incrediblybizarre and this is really very Cardle out
in the bullpen. Yeah right,Midge. It was very strange. So
then so then Abe goes to getRose right, and Rose doesn't want to
go to the show. I guessshe's like arranging the seating chart for like
a matchmaking event. I don't know. They never say what it is,

(01:41:29):
but that's what I think. Andthen when Abe tells Rose Marror's gonna be
on the Gordon four Joe and Roseis like, well, good for her.
If she wanted me to be there, she would have called me herself
and asked. I was like,Rose, stop it, don't you do
me like this? I was soupset for a minute. I really like
hated her for calling Midge a compulsiveliar, like just like her children.

(01:41:50):
How long did she lie to usabout being a stand up comedian or about
Susie being a plumber? She waslike, so yeah, I love thee
and you remember when that was duringthat season how she was like so disturbed?
Like Rose has brought that up onmultiple occasions, like she's not a
plumber? Wait is she a plumber? Or is she not a plumber?

(01:42:11):
Like she's she's got to know whois Susie? Um? But then like
when she notices the phone it wasoff the hook. It was really it
was so cute and she's like thatstill doesn't prove that anyone was trying to
call. And then she gets fourfour calls right away from Joel and Shirley
telling Rose you know, be atthe show early. Shirley says, they
give out free things at eight fifteen, presbees, potholders, glasses with leprecns

(01:42:35):
on them, and then my,oh well, okay, I don't know.
I don't think that this was everin the running for my most marvelous
moment. But because people have saidthis was a little disturbing from Zelda,
but I really did love that whenshe's missus Weissman, my goodness, you'd
like to talk a lot on thephone, and she's I wasn't on that.

(01:42:57):
I don't that time. Missus meeand um is trying to get in
touch with you. She's going tobe funny tonight that the Gordon Ford Show.
She has tickets for you to come. Why are you whispering? So
Yander doesn't want to be talking toyou people anymore. He says, you
are a vampire sucking the life bloodZelda. This never happened to bite,
so La said, this is alittle disturbing, like why is Zelda in?

(01:43:20):
Is this? Is she okay?Like Zelda, blink wear yellow shots
if you're if you're okay in yournext video, But also I look,
the Palladinos, especially asp have ahabit. It seems of romanticizing what would
otherwise be in real life abusive characteristics. Like remember how Dean and Gilmore Girls

(01:43:45):
was supposed to be the perfect firstboyfriend That motherfucker was controlling and jealous and
like a real problem. But it'sjust one of those You gotta kind of
see this as almost a fantasy,like in a musical, like everything that
would be negative for the most partis going to be charming and you just
have to go laugh it off.Yeah, it's just like Yanu yes,

(01:44:09):
would be like kind of controlling andpotentially emotionally emotionally abusive in your life,
but in the show, we're supposedto see it as funny, and it
is funny. Look, it's funny, Like she's sneaking there. I thought
it was hilarious. She's like onthe ground, like crouching when he's I
think that you could hear like theshower going or something so like it,

(01:44:31):
And you could also see it ashim being like maybe not going the best
run, but he's being protective ofher, like she doesn't work for them
anymore, Like they definitely have takenadvantage of kindness. Oh yeah, so
it's just you know, I sawthat kind of blowing up online. I
was like, no, yeah,no, yeah, I'm like, no,

(01:44:53):
no, no, this is funny. I assure you, I assure
you, this is funny. Andthen okay when the writers call her,
why is elf on a pogo stick? Just that was fantastic And there was
there was videos online of Rachel Brozahndusing that pogo stick, which was amazing
because everything it was yep, ohyeah it was. It was great.
I would just love that touch.And this whole time, Abe is like

(01:45:15):
squirming behind her, and he's likesliding his back up and down the wall,
like come on, we gotta go, we gotta go. You.
You know, you could say likeRose is the worst because she needs so
much attention and validation, but she'sthinking of her. It's like she wants
to know that that Midge hasn't forgottenabout her. I don't see Rose as

(01:45:39):
being I don't know, I justmaybe it's just because I have a soft
spot for Rose, but I justdon't see her as being like terrible or
the worst mother, or like selfish. I just see her as an insecure
woman worried about being insignificant to herdaughter, you know, like she was
doing the best with what she knowsand what she can. Like, Yeah,

(01:46:01):
she's doing her best, and she'ssensitive, and you're right, she
is very secure. She's very insecure. Yeah. And I just think that
Marin Hinkle plays it perfectly so thatI never feel like I'm like, I'm
angry at Rose. I always understandwhy she is the way she is somehow.
You know, even though we don'tget a whole lot from Rose's backstory,
we get like a lot more ofher backstory. I just kind of

(01:46:24):
realized, we get like none ofAbe's backstory, Yeah, except for that
one flashback to the book, andthat was not much of a flashback,
but that's about it. Yeah.And also we know in kindergarten he was
a very uh traumatizing childhood where hewas put to the academics pretty quick yep

(01:46:48):
for Abe. So then they goout to look for they go out to
look for a cab and now Roseis completely on board and I love it.
And it's the Race to thirty Rockand just what a great way to
show how much Rose cares that she'sbecause we know we know Rose and Rose
does not run through traffic and Rosedon't take a bus, and she says

(01:47:08):
later it was harrowing, was harrowing, And Yeah, in a tv line
article with Dan and Amy, theysaid about this scene that they took three
days to rehearse it in a parkinglot at Steiner Studios in Brooklyn, And
it was two days with the standins and the camera crew, and then
Tony and Marin came in for oneday and they just ran them around and

(01:47:30):
made sure that they got all thechoreography and the city to film it.
The City of New York gave themthree blocks on like a Sunday night for
a few hours, so they hadto work really really fast. So they
had to rehearse the shit out ofthis. And guys like I can't stop
and comment on every time the camerais just amazing in this show, like
especially in this last episode. Butthis camera work, I just don't understand

(01:47:54):
how this was done. I justdon't. I've seen videos of it,
right, Like we'll talk about laterlater. During that moment where Susie is
running Mike, Mike, Mike,and there's there's an excellent video that one
of our lovely listeners, um Ihave the written when we get to it,
I'll shout them out. But there'san amazing video. I just want

(01:48:15):
them there to be more videos oflike behind the scenes what the camera is
doing, because this is incredible,like their crane work, the way that
they have an eleven person camera crew, and that's like at a minimum,
I think, because they're handing offthe camera, they're attaching it and detaching
it seamlessly without you know, likejerking it around too much. I don't

(01:48:39):
fucking know how they're doing this.It was it's it's mind boggling. Yeah.
Well, I will say anybody thatfollows us on Instagram will see that
video from m David Mullen. Ishared that to our stories a few days
ago and watched it probably like twentytimes. Oh, I watched it like
five times. Yeah. Yeah,I was just like, this is fascinating.
Excuse me, it's amazing, braOh do it not just not?

(01:49:13):
This is a clean show, Ireally subtly, and then it wasn't working,
so you know, and with thelizard like it's stuck to the chest
as well. Quite yeah, listenquite the image she's helping your modesty.
Yeah, oh geez. Anyway,missus d lizard. Lizard braum. You

(01:49:34):
don't need a bra you get alizard. Ok. Fine, so it's
fine, So okay. Yeah,So as a New Yorker, I can
tell you that eight pm is fuckingcrazy time for cabs. But yet I
have not experienced this shift change phenomenonum back back. I say this back
in the day before uber and lyftand all that, because I have not

(01:49:56):
hailed a taxi. I really kindof miss it too. I was watched
an episode of Sex in the Cityon the phone with my mama, because
yes, we do things like that. We watched TV together over the phone
because she's my bestie and TV islike our thing. And we were recently
watching an episode of Sex in theCity over the phone, and I was
like, man, I miss hailingcabs. It's such a lost like thing.

(01:50:21):
And I used to feel so coolbecause I was, you know,
one of those kind of people whowas really good at it and you just
never need to do it anymore.You know, some people like really sucked
at it, and I was alwaysbecause I'm just you know, loud.
The last time I held one waslike a twenty fifteen. It's been a
long time. It's been a whileyeah, it's sad to say the one
and the only time I held onewas in like two thousand and eight.

(01:50:43):
Oh oh why and that was inNew York. Yeah, and it was
terrifying. But that's you know,it's fine. I loved it. So
when Rose, you didn't let Antonioblow the whistle. When he blows the
whistle, the cabs appear, andthey have they have to be there to
hear the whistle. The whistle isnot magic, and Tonio is not a
wizard. This is not Narnia.It really got me, dude, that

(01:51:11):
was so funny to me. Imean, this whole moment. It was
my most marvelous moment. It reallywas. Oh, it was so great
and so much. Yeah. Sothis was just an epic scene, like
darting around the cabs with Row.Okay, so Rose has a couple of
lines that they you know, goesin and out. So I'll like piece
together everything that she says, becauseAbe is like you know, interspersed,

(01:51:32):
like their dialogue, so you can'tlike hear all of what Rose says.
But what Rose says is of coursethey're not taking fars. You didn't let
him use the whistle. Hey,that was my foot you almost ran over.
Excuse me, we need a cab. We do not have a whistle.
My daughter is going to be ontelevision. She tried calling me,
but the phone was off the hook, which I had no idea what was
happening. But my grandchildren can reachit. Now. We've had a very

(01:51:54):
strange relationship since her husband left herand she became a comedian, which I
was hoping, and then she trailedoff there, and then Abe is saying,
I have ten dollars if you donot change ships, twenty dollars to
give us a ride, plus whateverthe ride costs. And if anyone in
your family needs tutoring in advanced algebraor differential equations, or a favorable theatrical
review in the Village Voice, Ican also make that happen as well.

(01:52:17):
That was really great. I justgod, this moning. They were doing
everything they could. Yeah, getthere, Yeah. Time. I offered
this man money and services. Ioffered him my wedding ring. Nothing you
what? He looked at me likeI was insane. How you her wedding
ring? It belonged to my greatgrandmother. Abe, don't try to change
the subject. That was an heirloom. It was priceless. She wouldn't even

(01:52:41):
wear it. She sewed it intoher wigs so no one would steal it.
Oh, it's just so good.And then rose a bus. I
see a bus and she's like,wait, my daughter is going to be
on television. It was so cute. It really was very, very cute.
Yeah. I basically quoted the entirescene there. Sorry not sorry,

(01:53:02):
no you needed too. Yeah,it was. It was really good,
and it was so like it wastheir musical moment, you know, of
the of the episode. This thiswas you know, obviously this was written
by Amy Shervin Palladino. There's somuch um like that makeup moment where where
you know, like people are it'slike you're doing two different things and you're

(01:53:25):
having you're holding two conversations at onetime. It's just the kind of thing
that Asp really loves to do,and she does it really well. I
know a lot of people get annoyedby it because it's it's like too fast
for you know, some people,and it's just overwhelming. But I find
this it's so fun wondrous. It'sdelightful. Yeah, there you go,
delightful. It is good, Imean, and cutting from that scene going

(01:53:50):
into I was on a high likeafter that scene, like cracking up,
loving watching Aban Rose and then cutto fucking Gordon coming in just being like
him, why are you dressed likethat? And it's smoothing that that guy

(01:54:12):
not Mike. I got to talkyeah Alan Shepherd, which he was so
kissing his ass, which yeah,like it makes sense, I get it.
Like so, Alan Shepherd was onthe Mercury Redstone three mission, which
they actually kept the timeline pretty accuratebecause it was five nineteen sixty one and

(01:54:35):
he was It was the first UShuman space flight highlighted by an astronaut and
the whole objective of that mission wasto put an astronaut into orbit around the
Earth and return him safely. Andthey did it, and the flat flight
lasted just about fifteen minutes, justa little over fifteen miles, So it
was a huge deal. And Iknow, I don't know if anybody else

(01:55:00):
kind of a space nerd out there, but we see this mission, we
hear about it multiple times, andpop culture throughout the years like the right
stuff, hidden figures, it's broughtup, and you know, people will
remember the moon landing with Apollo elevenwasn't even until nineteen sixty nine, so
this was a pretty big deal forMinch to be on the same day as

(01:55:24):
Alan Shepherd who has returned to Earth, and Carol Burnett, So she must
have been feeling like pretty good atthat point before Gordon came in and shit
all over it. But I willsay when she was looking at the fortune
and tucking it back into her bra, I just assumed it had something to
do with Lenny. I was like, the way she's smiling at it,

(01:55:45):
really I did. I was like, I don't know why. I was
like, what a Lenny thing?And I started thinking. I was like,
have we wow that before? AndI don't know if it was I
don't know, like subconscious memory feltfamiliar, but we couldn't think about it
was from Yeah. I was justlike, I'm having deja vu. But
and then of course I also thoughtthat's really creepy Kara was here, because

(01:56:11):
I was like, am I supposedto know what this is? I think
I was supposed to know what thisis. I think this is a funny
thing. And then I thought ofloss because there were numbers on it too,
But that's the whole other thing.But another yeah, but I was
kind of thinking I was waiting fora wrench to be thrown in. At
some point, I was like,this is happening way too easily, like

(01:56:33):
every everybody's going to get there ontime. It seems like everything's going smoothly,
like what's going to happen? Andthen Gordon walks his ass in and
it's just like, seems a littlefancy, like, oh, you're not
doing your at let me clear thisup for you. You're not coming on
to perform, You're coming on asa writer. And the look on Midge's

(01:56:53):
face, I was just like,oh shit, how are they going to
how are they going to fix this? Because of course he had to think
of something to try to cling ontowhat little control he had over this moment,
Like this part, I believed hewould be petty enough, like no,
like, you're not doing your act, like you're going to be a

(01:57:13):
human interest story and that's that,And that, of course leads to Midge
telling Susie like, what the fuckis going on here? Fix this and
that brilliant confrontation with Susie and Mike, and that was so After the finale,

(01:57:34):
there were a few writers and actorswho were sharing this video on Instagram
from excuse me and David Mullen,who we talked about was the lead cinematographer
on Marvelous Missus Masel and go watchthat video series haven't yet. It is

(01:57:59):
out standing. This ridiculous like oneor camera work in this scene. It
gives you an idea of you know, like we've talked about the imagination and
the skill it takes to capture thisshot because you see like brilliantly Susie banging
on the window like Mike graduate moment. Yeah, but it was you and

(01:58:24):
I and the Family Guy guy.Yeah, mommymm Lewis Lewis mummy yep,
and that that simultaneously, both ofthose things popped in my head. I
was like, and I think Isaw some article where uh like that brought
she brought up like you know howshe wrote on Family Guy and that was

(01:58:45):
kind of pro back. Loved it, loved it. It sounded very lowis
like Mike, it was. Icracked up, like that scene and the
look on his face like what whatdoes he? What? What? I
love them together and I'm glad thatwe got more Mike and Susie moments in

(01:59:09):
this episode. But this camera shotfollows her all in one take from down
and take at the window, bangingon the window, stomping up the stairs,
and you see it on this craneand on this track, like following
her upstairs, like zooming in onMike, and then following them around the

(01:59:30):
walkway out of that area to thestage area and down the stairs down another
set of stairs, yep, andso all the whiles this camera is being
seamlessly attached and detached to this craneand hand it off from camera operator to
camera operator. Yeah, it wasamazing to watch. I was just like,

(01:59:53):
man, I would love to watchnow just a full behind the scenes.
Oh, I would watch a twohour special on just how they make
this show. Like I am notkidding. They are leaving money on the
table with not not creating something likethat. I mean truly, but maybe
they know we failed out, maybe, but we really take it for granted.

(02:00:14):
And I think the camera work onthis show, like the camera is
a whole other character on this show. And that scene, it was so
fun to watch that behind the scenes. I'll put the link in the in
the show notes as well. Youdon't have Instagram or anything yet. Joe's
brilliant and Rachel Brosnahan. I knownobody is going to be listening to this,

(02:00:34):
most likely within twenty four hours ofher posting it, but I'll try
to find that one as well.She showed a different video where it actually
had the behind the scenes tracked whereyou could also see the actual scene as
it was on the episode. Oh, that's the full effect, and it
was. I mean, it's definitelyworth taking a look at. But I

(02:01:00):
freaking love Mike and Susie. Iwould like to marry Mike. That's what
I decided after this episode that Mikeis my new favorite, just in time
for the show to end. Yeah, so yeah, every time Mike is
on, he doesn't have a lotto do, but just with like that
one line, you know what,the ever loving what? Like he's just
so good. He's so good itmakes me blush and I don't know what,

(02:01:25):
like if I ever ran into well, especially him and Rachel Brosnahan,
Like seeing both of them in person, I think I just faint, Like
they're both so attractive it's absurd.Yep. Anyway, ye oh, I
forgot. I was like, yeah, we do see that scene follows we
see Mike questioning Gordon. Yeah,and Gordon's like, don't get in the

(02:01:47):
middle of this. I changed itto a human interest piece. It's like,
you piece of shit and basically,you know, comparing it to a
panda. Yeah, gonna mean,like what a dick? You know what
it is? Oh, I justrealized. I just saw it in my
notes. It's Gail Nestle. Ofcourse, my Gail. She's the one

(02:02:08):
who shared the video with us.Thank you, Gail. Shout outs to
Gail. Okay, Oh, it'skind of like you remember it, like
the Gail you know, remember yourchild's name. Yeah, right, don't
there. Yeah, it'll come tome. I swear their names have come
to me, Gail. Um.Yeah, I was just thinking about it
and this. Okay, I didhave a problem. I'm really kind of

(02:02:29):
putting my finger on it with thewith the Gordon Ford and the writing thing,
because the same guy who called hera panda and was so I mean,
we'll get to it when when shegets on the show and he just
insults the crap out of her withlike these questions that he's asking her as
a writer on the Lady Writer.You know, that same person who thinks
that that's okay to do does notin a matter of moments, when someone

(02:02:54):
is just killing it on your show, that same ego does not turn around
and say you're marvelous, missus mouse. I'm sorry, it just doesn't.
I don't believe it. I justdon't believe it. It's just it's it's
it's past the point of inconsistent writingto absurdity. You know, it's just
the same. This is not thesame character. Yeh, make it makes

(02:03:14):
sense. Okay, I'm sorry,I'm done. We're off of it.
Like he had like a Grinch momenthis heart crew. Yeah, yes,
it's schmaltz, it's cheese. Itis not No, it's not good.
Okay, I'm shutting up. Sorry, it's okay. I promised this time.
It's okay. So in lighter news, we're back with Surely and Rosen

(02:03:38):
eight. They bade it in time, they're getting there and and surely wait
did she get a frisbee for herShe was like frisbees? And then,
of course we already talked about thisat moishes on painkillers. He thought he
was Eva Perode, so she lefthim at home. I was I know,
right, She's an argent Argentine,Argentine politician, activist, actress and

(02:04:00):
philanthropist who served as the first Ladyof Argentina. I would have loved to
see that. I would love himto say, don't cry for me Argentina.
Oh oh my gosht but it didn't. But it didn't come out at
that point. So literally, um, I think what bothered me the most
about this and I think this iswhat we realize what he's going to do.

(02:04:21):
Is that when the announcer says who'sgoing to be on the show,
and then a special visit from aGordon Ford writer and that was it.
He didn't give her, he didnot name her. He took that away,
and we know how important her nameis to her. Yep. Anyway,
he has a shit of fuck GordonFord. Yep. Yeah. You

(02:04:43):
didn't even introduce her as Miriam.He says, Midge, Hey, Midge,
lady, Midge writer race and whatdo you think of the boss?
I was like, shut the fuck. Oh my god. It's like,
if you guys don't mind the Fword, beca is it's probably gonna come
out a few more times. Yeah. Yeah, because he's not in that

(02:05:04):
happy way, like Midgin said,no, he's terrible. But the best
part of this was that we nowhave Carol Burnett. Oh, oh my
god. It was oh my god. So Leslie Chritzer. Um, I
just saw her, let's see,right before the pandemic. It was like
the yes, it was March third, twenty twenty. I got to see

(02:05:29):
her performance Delia in Beetlejuice. Sheis, Oh my gosh, so freaking
talented. If you guys get achance to see Beetlejuice and just the character
of Delia, what they did toher from the movie. And I'm a
huge Tim Burton fan. I loveBeetlejuice, but what they created for her.
Not only did they have Delia,but she is also um uh the

(02:05:49):
Argentinian h pageant, you know,the receptionist. So she has this huge
media role, um Leslie. Andyou know what's crazy. What's crazy is
that is that Delia in Beetlejuice issuch a Miss Hannigan kind of character.
So good for Carol Burnette to play. You know, Carol Burnette totally would

(02:06:09):
have played that role if she definitelyout in like the seventies or something,
you know, yeah, absolutely,And um, Leslie Cretz are her voice,
the pipes on her She's played FannyBryce like she has the voice and
the chops. She's incredible. Soshe's performing Shy from Once Upon a Mattress.
And I did check it aired onTV in nineteen sixty four, so

(02:06:30):
it was pretty close. What Ilove so much about this what the colors
they use. I mean, itlooked like it was right out of the
sixties. It was so like richand like the technic color. I was
like, oh my god, I'mtotally watching something from there. Um,
and like the backdrop that kind ofalmost like it was like faded rainbow ee,

(02:06:51):
muted rainbow curtain or something. Youknow. Yeah, it just like
it really took you in. Itputs you right in the scene. And
then um, I did find inone of the articles that Will Will definitely
put in the notes like that,and they did reference that Carol Burnette is
one of the only few real lifecomedians that they put on the show,
um, besides Lenny Bruce. Soand it was also her ninetieth birthday just

(02:07:14):
was celebrated. So yeah, AprilApril twenty sixth's her birthday. Happy birthday,
Carol Brunette. Yeah, and itwas you guys, if if listeners,
if you haven't, there's an amazingspecial Carol Burnette special. It's called
Ninety Years of Laughter. It's onPeacock. It's amazing. Please watch it.
Yeah, it's And if you guyseddy actors who want a great read,
if you I mean not even ifa non actor. Um. Carol

(02:07:38):
Burnett has written several biographies. Theone that I read is, um,
oh what is it called? Uh? It's called This Time Together, Laughter
and Reflection. And it's also anaudiobook. It's so awesome to hear her
read her her book. It's justgreat. It's Yeah, it's I think
she narrates a bunch of hers.If you like Carol Burnett like she,

(02:08:03):
I think they're I don't know.There are three on my list right now,
and there's one that she also narratesand does the forward. Four.
That's Jane Lynch's book. I thinkit's called Oh Wow, Happy Accidents.
So that's just a random plug ofsomething that I'm loving right now. But
if you like Carol Burnette and JaneLynch and this whole scene, I think

(02:08:26):
you guys would really appreciate that book. Yeah. I remember when I first
came moved to the city, Iread that her biography Carol Burnett's biography and
I've reread it since then just becauseit's such a it's such a happy,
cozy read. It's like you feellike you're you're with a friend, You've
got like a really great friend talkingto you reading that book, and it's
just so like it gives you sucha feeling of I can do this,

(02:08:48):
Like I'm an actor. I'm gonnago get this. I got it,
like come on, Like and whenyou hear her her stories and she talks
about her time and once upon amattress. A lot she talks about like
getting her start on Broadway and everything, it's just such I'd love Carol Burnette
and Leslie Pritzer. I I justnever thought I would be so okay seeing
another person portray someone that I holdso dear to my heart. And like

(02:09:09):
I was so okay with this.I yeah. And like last week with
us Kate Very, the girl whoplayed Princess Margaret, Kate a bruises or
a Brussey sees, I'm not surehow to say her name. Yes,
Um, they're blowing me away,these actors that they're getting. Oh god,
it's so good. I don't know. I think it's just because of

(02:09:31):
her mannerisms. She has a facialexpressions that Carol has and you know,
not not only the red hair,but yeah, the big, wide,
beautiful eyes. It was just themannerisms. And I loved it, loved
it. And if you you needto compare it to the actual footage,
because that's that's what's really brilliant aboutit. Link in the description in the
show notes. I got it allfor you loved it so much. Um,

(02:09:56):
But poor poor Midge Midges, youknow backstage, it's oh, really
quick. Sorry, I wanted toread. There's an article with Leslie Kurtzer
where she talks about filming getting therole, and it's an amazing article.
She had just lost her mother.Her mother had just passed away before she

(02:10:16):
got this part. And so thearticle said, Amy Sherman Palladino said,
let's film it. A minute andten seconds of the number. All of
a sudden, it wasn't Carol Burnettestanding in a microphone on the television show.
It was Carol Burnette in full costumewith three dancers doing the number with
choreography. That opportunity had totally changed. They modeled the costume after her nineteen

(02:10:39):
sixty four television appearance doing shy Amy, to her credit, loves doing a
live performance, so I sang itlive when we were shooting with the prerecorded
band. It was so cool.Tony Shaloub was there. It was a
bucket list moment. Of course,I nailed it because theater people know how
to do things live and that's whatwe're trained to do. The entire number
will be on the soundtrack for Mazel. It was really a dream job.
It's a testament to actor out theregoing, oh, I don't know about

(02:11:01):
this small part. It's probably goingto be nothing. You just don't know.
Sometimes just say yes and see whathappens. I thought it was really
cool her thinking that it was justgoing to be ten seconds of the number,
like really quick flash to seeing hersing, and then it turned into
like a whole more than a minuteof like choreographed you know. It was
great. It was so good.Yeah. Absolutely. That's a great article

(02:11:22):
too. It's very touching the waythat she talks about getting the role and
her connection to her mother, andshe was apparently in Barcelona when she found
out she got this part, andshe was yeah, like she put herself
on tape singing, you know,shy from one Spot and mattress and then
she went on vacation and when shewas in Barcelona they called her and we're
like, yeah, you got it. So I love it. I love

(02:11:45):
it so much. So Plum bringsMitch to the stage. So fucking Gordon
again, not only you know,does he completely take away her ame and
and it has taken away the onething that she was hoping to do.
He even doesn't even allow her towork with the actual stage manager, but

(02:12:07):
gives her Plum what manages the lossof fund in the rink. It's like,
really man like that is Yeah,I'm surprised he gave her a dressing
room. I know, right seriously, Yeah, So it's it's just it's
really depressing, and I'm you know, you're feeling the low of poor Midge.

(02:12:30):
But we know when she's getting thatlow, she's also getting very pissed
off, which is something she needsright now the moment. Yeah, this
is a moment. Yeah, thisis the moment. So we've already talked
about a lot of this stuff that'shappening around here with with Gordon. Don't
want to harp on it too much. She's being obnoxiously disgusting. Colin Midge,

(02:12:56):
the resident lady writer, and he'sacuting her full name, yeah,
like just calls her Midge m asksher the difference between male and female writer.
Well, first, he goes,what do you think of the boss?
Yeah, as he handsome, ashe charming, and I'm like and
she is just like rolling her eyesand I'm like, you know, and
Susie is like motioning to her fromoffstage, like come on, be funny,

(02:13:18):
do it, come on, figureit out, because Susie is saying,
you know, the stool is stillon the stage, Like, you're
not getting couch, You're just gettinga stool on camera. Yeah, You're
just be funny, just do something, just like take your moment and yeah.
So she starts to and she makesthe audience laugh. Lady writers write

(02:13:39):
a lot more jokes about horses,Gordon and poisoning our husbands, and we
like to be held after we pitchand as soon as the audience, yeah,
and as soon as the audience laughs. Gordon cuts to commercial because he
is yeah, yeah, as Susiesays, he is a baby driven SOULI
by his ego and his paper thinnutstack and Zoe shit, his diaper when

(02:14:01):
when she makes the audience laugh,and that moment made me that one when
he's looking forward when this is allgoing on and he says to Susie behind
him, I can feel your eyesburning over through my head. You're lucking
him, You're lucky on that staringat your balls. Yeah, it's just
like, what a what a purefriendship? Yep? I know, I

(02:14:22):
love it. So we get okay. So Joel comes, you know,
talks to Susie and he's like,what the fuck's going on? And or
actually before that, I love thatShirley knows exactly how long they happen in
the segment. She's like, theynever early. They have four minutes and
fifty six seconds left in this segment. I time it. And so yeah,

(02:14:43):
Mike's freaking out, is like,you can interview somebody, you can't
just cut to commercial. You canjust you know, what does he call
it? Throw to commercial? Youcan interview a writer, interview plum.
What the hell is plum doing here? And I'm thinking the same thing.
I'm like, what is the pointof plum? I don't know um.
So Joel is pisses Susie and he'slike, what did you do when Susie's
like, yeah, yeah, it'smy fault as always. This is their

(02:15:05):
typical you know, back and forth, and Joel's just like Susie fucking it
up again. But then Abe isso sweet and encouraging Abe and Rose.
We get a little moment with them, and it was everything to be.
Abe's like, although nothing of notehas come out of your mouth, it
is still very exciting to see thatstool supportive Abe, Yeah, and yeah,

(02:15:28):
supportive yet honest. He's like,you've said nothing. I'm not gonna
lie about that. Um. Andthen Rose, you know, I just
love this just Marin Hinkle, shejust gets me. Man. She was
so touched that, you know,so many people like Midge went out of
her way to have everyone try tolike get Rose down to the show,

(02:15:48):
and they're just so proud of her, and you know, they have no
idea what's going on. Yeah,And so I feel like that that is
really the thing that kicked Midge intothinking I gotta do something. How am
I going to fix this? Likemy parents are look at my parents right
now, like this does not happen. I gotta do something, you know.

(02:16:09):
And but Midge was such a bitchto Plum though, when Plum is
like, they need you back onthe stage and she's like, is that
a question, Plum, Like,Jesus, I mean, I get that
you're having a bad day, butgod, I don't. I don't think
Midge likes anything that she senses isweakness, and Plum is like, right
for the pain. Like it's justlike, yeah, oh shit, yeah,
be careful, Plum. Yeah Idon't. I don't know if I

(02:16:31):
didn't get the Plum thing at all. I didn't really think it was very
funny. I was just like,I don't know, but whatever, it
was just me um. So Imageneshows up and up breaking up by yes,
like's good? Would she say yes? When she said to that lady,
hi, we're married and yeah move, that was so cute. I

(02:16:52):
was so happy that she was.I was like, thank you for gracing
us with your presence and taking abreak from retire. Essentially, I was
wessy, Oh god, I meltedwhen she said beret lovely little callback.
Yeah, I was just like,oh, Immagene. So then so then

(02:17:13):
we get a beautiful shot of Midgelooking at that microphone. The camera swoops
all the way around her and themoment is just so tense, and she
s yeah, yeah, that's silence, oh man. And then she says
to Susie four minutes, four minutes, four minutes, and Susie's like,

(02:17:37):
I am going to punch you inthe nose. I don't care how I
look on TV. And she saysshe's thinking about doing something reckless, you
know that could ruin her and Susieby extension. And then Susie says,
the thing you started your career bygetting up on a stage no one asked
you to get up on and sayinga bunch of shit that no one wanted
you to say. And then theway that she says tits up so good

(02:17:58):
with the eye, it's a fullcircle. It's a complete full circle.
We had it. Oh. Theway that she says it, she like
whispers it. She whispers like titsup, like give it all you got,
baby, it's now or never.And Rachel brosnahand like they both like,
you know, Susie like stands upa little straighter and Rachel roshand she
like puts her shoulders back and shelooks transformed. Just all of a sudden,

(02:18:22):
She's like, I'm gonna do this, like I got it and this
very unrealistic microphone that is live,that is hot, that is turned on
but never whatever whatever I thought aboutit. Oh yeah, I thought about
it, and I was like haha, I don't care yet, get
it going, make it happen yea. And so Alex, yeah, go

(02:18:46):
no, I was just gonna saythat. Buckle up, Mikey. I
was just like, yes, he'sgood. I was like, I am
ready. I think. I turnedthe volume up and like set up in
my bed a little straighter. Assoon as she said that, I was
like, we're gonna get it.She's gonna do it. Oh my god.
The anxiety that I had. Iwas about to like rip my husband's
like you know, irma, mygood, that's gonna happen. It's too

(02:19:07):
much. It was like, yeah, when Susie said tits up, I
was shrieking out loud, tits up? Oh my god, do it?
Yes. I was just the tearsare starting to like well up in my
eyes. I'm starting to lose it. And so, okay, pause for
a second. Alex Borstein, shedoes have an amazing processing. Like they

(02:19:28):
asked her an interview about the lasttime you know processing, the last time,
She says tits up, and shesays, yes, I was processing
it and it was very hard toget out as you can hear. And
and that's why I think she shehad to whisper it because like she couldn't
say it without sobbing, you know. Oh god. Um. She says,
knowing as an actress that that wasthe last time I was going to

(02:19:50):
be on that set as Alex.It was the last time I was going
to be looking into Rachel's eyes.I didn't know if we'll ever work together
again. We probably won't. Iffelt heavy and important and like the world
was at stake and that's just whatthe scene required. So it was perfect.
Oh god. And then and thenGordon comes back on and he's like,

(02:20:13):
yeah, you know, it's notit's not personal, you know,
it just it just wasn't handled welland you know the rule, you know,
like I just couldn't do image.I couldn't do it. And she's
I just love her response. Ido. And I've just never been great
at following rules. I was like, goos, we'd be like a slow
react of that with his face whenshe says that, like just what yeah,

(02:20:37):
right? It was so good?Oh my god. And so then
when she says to the audience,why don't I get up and do what
I came here to do? Andthey cut to Imagine and show her excited,
and then they cut to Shirley andCaroline Aaron like she turns to Avan
Rose and she like puts her handsup in the air and this like cheer
gesture. And it was just sosweet the way that they were like still

(02:21:01):
they were all like connected and likecheering her on. Oh God. And
then Gordon's where where are you going? And she's, well, we'll find
out. And it's like, thisis either the greatest choice or the biggest
mistake that I've ever made, ButI'm doing it. I've committed the risk,
don't yep. And so you know, Amy and Dan really set themselves

(02:21:24):
up for a tough task, right, like giving us the knowledge of how
Midge ends up famous in the end. The anticipation of seeing her big break
is so high at this point thatit would be very easily to finally get
there and feel let down. Ohyeah, but they did not let us
down. No, not, Holyfuck, They've really stuck the landing.

(02:21:46):
This was the greatest quote unquote fourminutes of comedy I've ever seen on this
show, maybe ever in my life, like Midges set. Oh she could,
yeah, and it was so appropriatefor like where the story was,
the time period, like everything,just they've nailed it, nailed it.

(02:22:09):
There's a bit of IMDb trivia thatI found funny. Um, the Gordon
fio has four minutes remaining three minutesand fifty six seconds according to Shirley,
but from the time they returned fromthe commercial to the end of Midge's set
is seven minutes and twenty seconds.To when and to when Gordon Ford says
marvelous missus masil, it's nine minutes, so suspension of disbelief. Yeah yeah,

(02:22:30):
um oh man, Yeah, Gordon'sjust being gross and he says like
she broke a big rule and thenhe like he wants to interrupt her,
like they cut to his face andthen he just goes and like pouts at
his desk and I would says hewould have to fuck we remove her at
that point, and I was like, you're not going to do that,
Gordon, like right now he hasan image to protect, which I was

(02:22:54):
like, you have four minutes,just let her do it, Like this
is so stupid. M Mike wasjust like, you know, she's funny,
Like you hired her? Yeah,just let it go, man.
So Midge goes right back to herroots and she talks about the very first
thing she ever did to completely transformher life. You know. She talks

(02:23:16):
about that night at the gaslight afterJoel left her and Penny pan you know,
my husband left me for a secretary. But I don't blame him.
She had some minsent or purse.Did you did you see Imaging giving Joel
the soul the side eye? Yeah? She was like it was good,
it was really good that in thecomment about like her apologizing to the ashtray

(02:23:39):
at their first cocktail party and thefriends calling and Joel was like, did
you guys do that? And Archieand Imagine were just like yeah, and
Image was like from the party,yeah, way true the way that the
way that Bailey Deyong delivered that linetoo, and she's like, from the
party. Yeah. So yeah.So the rest of this writing, it's

(02:24:03):
so brilliant because she's talking super straightto people, you know, and but
she makes it funny at the exactright moment for the exact right amount of
funny. But she's being dead,I mean everything she's saying is dead fucking
honest, and she's clearly taking inspirationfrom Lenny to just punch the audience right
in the face with so much truth. She's spilling fucking tea all over the

(02:24:26):
fucking stage, you know. Soyou know, it's like, obviously Joel
really hurt her, and we knowthat, we know we've been with Midge.
But then she's like, but thenthe sunset, so I could eat
again, you know, And shemakes it funny and she talks about how
like people listen to her for thefirst time on stage, but you know,
not men, or her mother orchildren, or her dates, employers,

(02:24:46):
coworkers, the Butcher, but strangerslove her, you know. And
Gordon is like fucking shitting himself,and Susie's like laughing and loving it.
And then Alfie pops up. I'llmagine that was great. Yeah, it
was so perfect, And so shelike kind of predicts the future a little

(02:25:09):
bit, like it's so so muchtruth when she's like, I wasn't raised
to be single, and I'm notsure if a permanent relationship is in the
cards for me. I mean,we see she had like so many marriages.
It's like so true, you know, and she's kind of admitting that,
like, men should be beware ofdating her because she will use them
as like fodder for her act,you know. And then we get to

(02:25:31):
like the kids, and it's likethese eerie predictions. I don't know,
it was like she foreshadowed it.Yeah. Yeah, she says, we're
a Jewish household. So my sonwas circumcised a week after he was born.
My daughter's trauma will have to waituntil she's old enough to go close
shopping with my mother. And Rose, well, that's fair, that's fair.

(02:25:54):
And she says, my daughter isgoing to grow up in a different
grow up different than I did.She's going to be tougher and more independent.
That's a terrifying word independent, especiallyfor a woman. It was not
a word we were supposed to befamiliar with. I wasn't. My mother
wasn't. And I love that.They cut to Rose and she's just like
nodding in a girl, She's likeshaking her head in agreement. It just
inserts the perfect amount of humor withlines like, you know, like so

(02:26:18):
if I want a flat tire orchange, well clearly someone else is going
to do it. I'm independent,but I'm not an idiot. I haven't
talked about a plastic plant in months. Like she's interspersing these like dead truths
with just the right amount of humor, you know. And then it gets
like really real with like my kids, God, I promise their names will
come to me. I think it'sinevitable. Yeah, that whole bit that

(02:26:41):
Yeah, then like running tongue.Yeah, it was really good. It
was just enough of the kids withoutit, you know, getting too much.
It was fun, right, Butshe says, I think it's inevitable
that they will hate me when theygrow up. Like every other parent,
I spend sleepless nights imagining what mykids are going to say about me to
their psychiatrists. M She's like,right, you've done this. She was

(02:27:01):
at home, she missed my baseballgame. She made me listen to her
tight ten for a week before sheopened in. Uh where'd she say,
Reno? I don't know. Iforgot to write down. And then she
had us heckle her for three hoursso she'd have some practice comebacks, and
our drinks were watered down. Andthen Gordon Ford is starting to He's like,
oh, yeah, that was funny. It's like fuck you every time

(02:27:24):
they caught to him. I wasjust like, go away, just get
off my stuff. And I don'tthink that, like, I don't think
that she ever in the future wouldwould make her kids like really, I
don't think she would consult them onlike her act or like make them heckle
her or whatever. I think thatthat was just funny, yeah, you
know, but pretty close to thetruth. I mean, she's talking about

(02:27:45):
the kids in like this very eerieway knowing how like when she mentioned the
psychiatrist thing, I was just likewhoa, Like yeah, bull circles.
But it wasn't too much. Ireally didn't think, you know, I
thought it was just it was justperfect. I don't know, I really
really liked how how much reality therewas in this, in this act,
it like didn't bother me. Iknow that for some people they were like

(02:28:07):
two on the nose, but Ididn't think so, um, two on
the nose, Like, yeah,they didn't watch the show, come on,
Yeah, this is this is herstyle of writing, This is her
comedy, is to write from herlife and and and make light of it
and joke about it. Right,Well, maybe it was a little anachronistic,

(02:28:28):
perhaps talking about like I wonder whatmy kids are going to say to
their psychiatrists, because I don't knowhow exactly common therapy was back then,
because today I feel like it's acommon running joke to be like, you
know, you know what do youyou talk about your mom and therapy or
talk about your dad and therapy.Now it's just kind of yeah, normalized,

(02:28:50):
But I don't know about back then. Yeah, I think I could
forgive that. Oh yeah, didum the part where it started kind of
like the cameras sort of like swoopingover the Yeah, yeah, that was
exactly where I was going. Sothe sound design like changes and we start
to hear like the clinking of glassesthat could not be in that room.

(02:29:13):
It was just very subtle, subtlyreminding us of the gaslight, you know,
and and that that camera swoop aroundher. It does that. It
did it just just earlier in thesame scene when she was looking at the
microphone and the three sixty set,you know, the amazing sets that they
have. But this um the waythat the lights all of a sudden got

(02:29:33):
darker and then you can hear theseclinkings of glasses to sound like a bar
like, so it sounds like thegaslight. It flashed me right back to
the first episode of season three whenshe was like revenge. Yeah, remember
it was the exact shot. Itwas like the exact angle, and good
lord, Rachel Brosenhand has never lookedso beautiful. Yeah, she just looked

(02:29:58):
like in the gorgeous. I mean, I was just losing it, like
I couldn't. I couldn't no words, I don't know. So then she
says, she says this, andI cannot quote it, So I'm gonna
let her do it herself. That'swhy I need to get really famous.
It's you're really famous. Everybody lovesyou, at least until the will is

(02:30:22):
fred I heard a story about MaryMark, Broadway star. Her driver got
sick, so she had to takea cap at the theater she was performing
it. She gets in, Gabbyasked her where she's going. She has
no idea, no idea where thetheater is a wise call. She is
too famous to know. She isso famous that eventually someone will notice she's

(02:30:43):
missing and just come find her.All she has to do is stand still.
That's the kind of fame I want, where I never have to know
who I am or where I'm going. Where one day, Bob Hope walks
up to me at a restaurant andsaid, Hi, I'm Bob Hope.
You probably don't remember meeting me,and I say, of course I do.
I'll have the chicken. So it'slike, it's so ballsy to stand

(02:31:07):
in front of an audience and justshamelessly admit and like demand, I just
want fame. Like what a thingto believe that you are worthy enough to
ask for publicly? Yea. Andfor me, as a woman Midge's age
and a performer myself, it's almostoff putting because I'm so jealous at her

(02:31:30):
confidence, you know, and Idon't live in nineteen sixty one. I
don't know if it's because I'm aperformer or because I'm a woman, but
I was really shocked to discover watchingthis that I struggle more than I thought
with feeling worthy. It forced meto ask myself, do I feel worthy
of asking the world to give methis as well, to give me fame,

(02:31:54):
to give me, you know,to insist that you look at me
on your television screen or on stageor in a podcast whatever. You know.
It's that tenacity is what it takesto make it in this business,
and because I don't feel worthy likeshe does. It made me uncomfortable.
It made me almost like want todislike her. But really I want to

(02:32:18):
say, fucking good for you girl. The haters go for it because anyone
who hates Midge, they're jealous.That's my jealousy coming through and not wanting
to love Midge in this moment becauseI am jealous of this amount of confidence.
It's not entitlement. I don't feelI don't. It doesn't come off
that way to me. It isbold and it is necessary for a performer,

(02:32:39):
especially a stand up comedian, andyeah, for them to write this
character. She was breaking ground trulyin nineteen sixty one. This is not
your typical woman, you know.And she addresses it with the next thing
that she says, do you wantto comment on this before I play the
next part of her speech where shetalks about how she wants a big life.

(02:33:03):
I mean, I just thought,I don't know, like I was
glad she finally said it, becauseI felt like that was the message that
that's been there all along, especiallysince the go forward moment after Lenny talks
to her at Carnegie Hall, likeshe was all in and it was nice

(02:33:26):
to hear her. I know,you know, we talk all the time
about show don't Tell, but inthis specific instance, it was nice for
her to say like this is whatI want, I'm gonna get it and
essentially saying like you're gonna give itto me, like this is what's gonna
happen. I was like, goodfor you bid, Yeah, like I
got. I don't know, likeI got kind of choked up at that

(02:33:48):
part, just because I was like, she's she was going for what she
wants, and there's something to besaid about that, especially in nineteen sixty
one. Yeah, as a woman, it's truly, this is truly inspiring
to me. Like this opened myeyes to things in myself that I did
not know were there as as awoman, as someone her age, as

(02:34:11):
a performer, myself, Like Iwas shocked to realize the thoughts in my
own brain at this. You know, it was like big reality checks in
with myself that this was truly moving. You know, this was like television
that actually betters you as a viewer. You know, I could feel myself,
I could feel myself growing and maturingin a way that like I was
having thoughts as a thirty something womanthat I had never had before. And

(02:34:35):
that's that doesn't happen so much aboutthis show, Like how inspiring midges as
like tell something about myself, Likebefore I would do you know, the
day before trial, back when Iwas a prosecutor before closing arguments, like
Marvelous Missus Masel was one of theonly shows that I could watch before trial

(02:34:56):
to get myself like amped up,and I was just like fuck it,
like Midge can go out there andyeah, yeah, all jokes. I
was like, I'm gonna nail thisclosing. Like just little things like that,
it gives you that little like boostof inspiration. And I don't know,
I think that's like I already saidit a little earlier. But I

(02:35:16):
love that they went back and centeredit on Midge and Susie, Yeah,
and their relationship and their support ofeach other because they both helped each other
out, Like this was not aman coming in and giving Midge her big
break, Like even though Susie wentand asked Hetty, Hetty's the one who

(02:35:37):
twisted Gordon's arm, and it's completelynormal to get a leg up or have
a lucky break and showbiz. ButI love that the focus came back to
them and their shared ambition and theirsupport of each other. Yeah, Gordon
was just the dead moose in theway. Yeah yeah, yep, yeah,
I totally I totally can relatively you'resaying by being inspired, Like,

(02:36:01):
I get so inspired after watching thisshow to like go audition real hard.
You just go after it. Yeah, I'm like, if Rachel broshand can
do it, come on, Jade, let's go like get it. Yeah.
So then okay, So the lastpart I'm going to play is I
want to being light. I wantto experience everything. I want to break

(02:36:22):
every single rule there is. Theystay ambition is an unattractive trait in a
woman, maybe, But you knowwhat's really unattractive waiting around for something to
happen, staring out a window thinkingthe life you should be living is out
there somewhere, but not being willingto open the door and go get it
even if someone tells you you can't, being a coward. So only cute.

(02:36:45):
In the Wizard of oz ethan anesther I knew it when comes up.
I love that like she delivers likethe most like like line and that
she makes a joke right afterwards.It was like, yes, yes,
this Greek get lightened it up.It's perfect, amazing mine and seeing all

(02:37:09):
the actors on set watching her inthat moment from the bottom of hearts,
thank you, Annie, good night. I just wish she wanted to bridge
dress that um that that quote isgoing on my wall. I swear of

(02:37:41):
that, like whole Yeah, it'sso good. Oh myga Coward is only
cute in The Wizard of Oz.Yeah, I mean Amy and Dan love
themselves like a Judy Garland or Wizardof Oz reference. But the Wizard of
Oz is like a very very likeclose thing to me. It's like my
favorite film and it has a lotof meaning for me, the Wizard of

(02:38:01):
Oz. So when she said that, I was just like, oh my
god. And she went there,she said the Wizard of Yes. I
was breaking out, oh okay,yeah, and night, yes, extrashion.
Yes. She that thank you andgood night hit me like an arrow
to my chest, like she meanthim with every fiber of her being,

(02:38:24):
like Rachel Bras in a hand,saying it for the last time. And
she knew you know that, Ohmy god. And then they cut to
like they cut to roseen Abe withlike the tears streaming down their face.
I haven't just never seen like Rose. That is the happiest Rose has ever
looked in this show. It wasMary, it was it was Marion and

(02:38:46):
Tony. All of these actors werenot even no one was acting here.
And it's fine. It's fine withme. I'm like watching people like swelling
with pride and Alex looking on likeeveryone and all the riders. When the
riders did their little bow to herafter she said on the couch, I
was like, that is so violentlyprecious. And when when Joel turns and

(02:39:11):
he's that's my ex wife. Yes, that's my ex wife and she blows
him a kiss. Oh god,and I'm sure I loved my daughter.
I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna lose it. I know,
Like it was such a such anice moment, and it was grateful.
The way Rachel brows in a hand, like when Gordon waves her over

(02:39:35):
and you see her like take itin and sit down and like process the
fact that she's sitting on the couchlike she just she sits with such purpose,
Yes, like I deserve this.And that was the That was the
last moment, right before it fadesto black and she looks to Susie,
and Susie puts her hand over herheart and Midge just takes a deep breath

(02:39:56):
that just communicates like I deserve thisfinally, you know. And did you
guys hear like something about Midge.She wasn't Midge. I'm just I'm sorry.
I was watching Rachel like her hergiggle. She had this giggle that
she kept doing like she heard shecouldn't pulled it in. Oh, Rachel
brosenhand, I had never heard Midgethis way, like, you know,

(02:40:20):
like not only did she stand andhold herself differently, but like she sounded
different, Like just that giggle waslike that's Rachel, you know, that's
Rachel, Like not able to containwhat is happening right now, she's coming
off of this hie Like yeah,she's She's like not even it. She
got to be like out of realitybecause everyone is there watching her, like
that set was three sixty. There'sa real audience there and like all of

(02:40:41):
the people that she loves so much, like, oh my god, it's
like I don't even know what there'sthere's no more to say, like when
they handled it perfect so well,and I loved Susie and Mike's like echoed
holy shit. Moment when Gordon gesturedI know Midge Compon was like, oh

(02:41:01):
that's precious. Yeah, they're sohappy. And when he said I knew
this lady was funny, but Ididn't know. I did not know how
funny. I was like, yes, you did, you ask him up,
just go with it, But Iwas I did get a smile on
my face when he leaned over andcovered the mic and said you're fired,
smiling because I saw that as genuine, like all right, like you are

(02:41:26):
not a rider, like go outthere and get him. Even though the
way he was acting picking up toit could have made it seem kind of
snarky, but I could see wherethey were going with it, and the
smile on Midge's face afterwards, Iwas like, Okay, so she's at
peace at least with Gordon. Yeah, and I just I don't know.

(02:41:50):
I was grinning like an idiot,Like an idiot, yea, all right,
let's okay, let's continue, let'smove on because we're gonna just talk
more about this during listener feedback,there's like nothing more to say, like
it's just it's so good. Wecan cut down the gushing I'll try.
Oh god, sorry, listeners,this is just like I feel we can
gush. I know, I seriouslydo feel like I'm going to listen back

(02:42:13):
to this and be like, god, I sound like an idiot and like
why I've been tripping. I mean, I'm a little sick, so I'm
a little my brain is like not, I'm sure you can hear. I'm
just like not my usual fast,Like my brain is not going very fast
right now, Like, and there'sjust so much and it's so overwhelming,
and like I don't want to justbe a crying mess right now, but
like if I could just let myselfcry, like I could. This show

(02:42:35):
means so much to me, andI just didn't realize it until this,
you know, I just didn't realizem It's so intense. It's a really
big well and I like going fromgrinning like an idiot, and then they
cut to you know, the snowand six months earlier. I was just

(02:42:56):
like, at first, my firstthought, I was like, six months
earlier, are we going to seeher in Gordon or something like, I
don't know, And then when itshowed us Lenny and Midge, I was
like, oh my god, thankgod, it's like, this is what
we need. And I was sohappy to see this, as you know,

(02:43:16):
it's the continuation from season four,episode eight, when Moist is in
the hospital. Lenny shows up atthe Wolford and there's the police raid,
and he and Midge, you know, just happened to end up at his
very nice, swanky hotel room thathe's staying in for his Carnegie Hall appearance.

(02:43:39):
And it's when they finally sleep together. And it's also when Midge sees
the drugs and the paraphernalia in hisbathroom for the first time and he kind
of you know, brushes it offand says, now get dress, we'll
go spring the riff raff and thenI'll take you for some truly terrible Chinese

(02:44:01):
food. And this is what wesee now them eating the truly terrible Chinese
food. Was it Wohop? Butthe name of the restaurant, I don't
know. I didn't, Yeah,so, and I just I loved every
single second of this scene. AndI think Luke Kirby and Rachel Brosnahan were

(02:44:24):
relishing the last scene that they shottogether like it was just so well done
and it's adorable that she's practicing howto make her autograph more indecipherable, and
he's just like, no, no, no, like I could still see
three letters. Like that whole thingwas brilliant. And then when he makes

(02:44:46):
a reference, he's like, youknow, it's still snowing, like we
might have to sneak or seek sheltersomewhere nearby before it clears up, and
she was like, I already soughtshelter earlier. Yeah, you know,
referencing back to them sleeping together,and when she asked him, what makes
you so sure I'm going to bereally famous? And he goes into it's

(02:45:09):
just a hunch. I've seen youract. I watched you escape a police
raid. You have many skills.And when she says, I think my
show corset turned your head the wayhe delivered the line, my head turned
a long time ago. It's pullingto it. I was just like,
oh, Luke Kirby, He likehe knew exactly what he was doing,

(02:45:30):
and he did it brilliantly. Andwe finally because you, Lenny makes it
so clear that he's not he's notcomplimenting Midge at all, because they just
slept together. He's like, youturned my head a long time ago,
like the first time he sees her. Yeah, like yeah, he scally
sees her and respects her. AndI mean he's got good instincts because he's

(02:45:56):
right and just and we there's aperfect for each other. But it's like
they can't they can't be together becauseneither one of them is like the marrying
kind, you know. But they'relike, so you're so perfect for each
other. And I do like howthey had, you know, what it
seems like was one kind of perfectnight together. And she clearly took so

(02:46:20):
much from that night because we seewhere the fortune comes from. Yea.
And she says, you know,I hope you're right about being famous.
I don't have a plan. BAll of my eggs are in this one
big basket. And he says,allow me takes it and goes into his
you know, his whole speel abouta spotlight waits for you center stage.

(02:46:43):
All you have to do is stepup and claim it. And I'm just
like, oh, you tell.And at that point, she she looks
up and she thinks, like yousee, She's like, oh, oh
my god, that says that safe. She thought it thought he was for
real, you know, for asecond, it was really cute. That
was adorable, and they did avery good job flirting in that scene,

(02:47:05):
Like it was sweet and believable andgenuine, and he's so supportive of her
and their chemistry really just like isleaping off of the screen and he said,
you mark my words. Very soon, in the not too distant future,
you will be paying for the Chinesefood. And she looks at him

(02:47:28):
so intensely and gives him like thisnod kind of like yeah, I will,
like I can do it. AndI love the impact he has had
on her in such a positive way, and not as a romantic interest that's
second theory, but the support,the talent, the love of the craft

(02:47:52):
way back in the first episode inthe pilot when she asked him do you
love it? And we had thatcallback in you know, the penultimate episode
here in season five, like shewas able to recite what he said to
her word for word years later,And there was an article with the Palladinos

(02:48:13):
that Ew article in particular that Ithought was just so poignant. Here they
asked Amy Sherman Palladino, you know, we get to see this new piece
of her big night with Lenny andlearn the origin of that fortune that we

(02:48:35):
saw her tuck in her dress.How essential do you ultimately feel Lenny is
to Midge's success? And asp saidhe was very essential. He's the first
man who took her seriously as acomic off of nothing. He didn't know
her, didn't have any skin inthe game other than what he saw and
the hutzpah and the smarts. Thatwas enormous because if she could get a

(02:48:56):
guy like Lenny Bruce, someone thatobviously was incredibly well respected, was considered
cool, was considered smart and sharp, and he was looking at her not
like a conquest, but like anequal. That's going to go a long
way when somebody looks at you likethat and somebody gives you that affirmation where
you're not getting it anywhere else.It gave her the feeling that she can

(02:49:18):
make men listen to her, atleast the smart ones, and no one
really wants a dumb man, atleast to you. Yeah, go forward
listening to them anyway. Oh yeah. And the interviewer pointed out, like,
does she keep this fortune for therest of her life? I thought
I maybe saw it on her deskin the final scene in two thousand and
five, and ASP's response was,you did one hundred percent. She keeps

(02:49:41):
it. It's her touchstone, socalling it her touchstone just I mean that
said everything. I was like,this is so important to Midge what Lenny
did for her, Like, yes, she had Susie in her corner and
eventually Joel, but the confidence thatshe got from Lenny, just as a

(02:50:07):
peer and as an equal, Ithink was so important because we get a
little caught up in their chemistry togetherand you know, people like shipping,
but right their professional relationship and themutual respect between them. I just I
loved that this was the last exchangewe got with her. And yeah,

(02:50:31):
I was me too. Did youguys know if there were any specific like
what those numbers signified? I couldn'tfind anything about it. If there was
anything significant to the choice of numbers, I looked, and I couldn't find
anything. It seemed like maybe theyjust picked a few random ones they have

(02:50:52):
to look at too numerology and seeif they have any meaning, and then
they fade out on I happen tolike New York And I was like,
yes, So he fade into twothousand and five, fade into two thousand
and five were into final stretch andMidge is in the Dakota. At least
that's what it perceives. She isaged, she is working, she's got

(02:51:18):
her team, they're they're talking abouther schedule. She just wants to work,
work, work, but she's veryadamant. She wants to be in
New York for the holidays. Andit just the whole. It just like
we see where she's kind of cometo. And then I love the little
exchange she has with I don't knowif he's a PA or what, but

(02:51:39):
he's trying to teach her how totext and use a cell phone. So
it's just kind of her like introductionto like some technology, and she's just
like any other normal older person thatis just kind of like, no,
no, I don't need that.I don't need a phone, I don't
need to I have a camera formy photos. And you know, we
kind of go from there to likelooking at her home now, Um,

(02:52:03):
it's really quiet, it's empty exceptfor her employees. You hear Have I
Stayed Too Long at the Fair byBarbara Scheissen, And it's just it's so
like perfect, it's beautiful, it'smelancholy, it's really you know, it's
kind of really hitting here in thefields, and I don't I didn't feel

(02:52:26):
bad for her. It didn't seemdepressing. I know, I know.
And I when she was eating herfood in the kitchen with you know,
the chefs preparing, I'm like,well, she hasn't really like lost her
roots. She's not like, umoh my goodness, I can't even think
of her name, Selbe Lennon,thank you. She's not Sophie. She
doesn't demean her employees there, youknow, she can eat with them.

(02:52:50):
She doesn't have to sit at herbig royal dining room that had that seats
all those people. She still isa normal person. And then she just
kind of likes the songs going.She's just kind of reflecting looking at her
past memories. You go into thathuge space where you see all those pictures
sitting on the table and you're like, oh, who's in there? And
then um, I think it wasRachel Brasaham posted a close up all the

(02:53:13):
pictures and it's like all of herkind of encounters with celebrities. But then
I loved that in her, likeI don't know if it was her bedroom
or her like little like her littlespace it looked very similar to her bedroom
at her herd's house. Yeah,notice that it looked very like you know,
it had like things from when shewas a child and younger, and

(02:53:37):
you know it was but then therewere so many pictures of herself on that
bulletin board and like there were picturesof herself like during shows and stuff like
hung up on. Yeah. Ifound that odd. I just didn't think
that Midge would be that kind ofperson who would have so many pictures of
herself. Maybe it was more likeprograms and yeah, I think it was

(02:54:01):
like all of her like like,yeah, it was like her, like
her of the events that kind ofbrought her to her career because like I
felt like, but like for meas an actor, I would not ever
want that. I would not everwant pictures of myself in in shows or
play playbills with my face all overthem, Like I just wouldn't put that
stuff on my wall, like Mitchereally loves herself. I guess I wanted

(02:54:24):
to be famous. But I wentthrough and I wrote down every single thing
I could see, Oh you sureday Karen on her bulletin board because the
attention to detail right phenomenal. Ifelt like it was all going throwbacks to
the whole past five seasons and theokay, Daryl slap me in the face,

(02:54:48):
a lizard slapping. Yeah, someof the you know flash forwards that
we saw two with their ticket stubsfor her Carnegie Hall performance and brochures for
her Carnegie Hall performance, and likethe Phoenician Las Vegas napkin and the Fountain
Blue Miami napkin. Like there's evena Woolford her like a two Shore bar

(02:55:13):
coaster, like just all a bAltman cart like so I didn't any of
that, like the Alzheimer or likeher memories. This is her artist rights
telethon. Yeah, it's like herscrap book. Yeah, and I thought
it was great, Like this iswhat Midge has, like in her room
where her little study where she spendsthe most time. That's like her private

(02:55:37):
space. These are the things thatare important to her. And she's got
her bail receipt up there, probablyfrom her first arrest is pinned and a
program from Lenny's Carnegie Hall show atthe end of season four, like and
even a Shriner Mountain Resort sticker washiding under some other which made me really

(02:56:01):
happy. But I just it was. It was really fun to zoom in
on that picture that Rachel Brosnahan sharedbecause it was like a Midge's greatest hits
in all these significant moments in hermoments, and there were what I thought
was really like spot on there isa Stop the Road Saved the Square pamphlet

(02:56:24):
on there from season one, episodefour, Washington Square Park moment where she
hears Jane Jacobs give that speech andthen you know, she feels all empowered,
and it was like the fact thatthey have that yeah on there,
it's missus mazel artifacts I cool,you're awesome too. I was so happy.

(02:56:52):
I was nerding out. I waslike this department just yeah. And
then and she does have still haveher wedding photo of her and Joel.
Yeah, oh, you know,it's still pretty prominent. I think that
this was a really good way ofjust kind of going into the future.
We didn't need all the flash oflike her interactions with her family. It

(02:57:16):
was just really quiet and very peaceful. I was just going to comment on
like the loneliness that Midge experiences.It's just so relatable for me, Like
I'm right now single by choice,I'm very happily single, at the moment,
like after getting out of a reallyintense long relationship that was not good.
I'm like married to my career too, you know, and when I
have a day to do nothing,like I kind of freak out. Like

(02:57:39):
even when I hang out with myfriends, we're usually working on like a
script together, or we're like helpingeach other with our art in some way.
You know. I have a lotof writer friends and other actor friends.
I just very very rarely just chill. I never fuck it, I'll
say it. I never just chill. I'm not I can't it. And

(02:58:01):
being sick just just these past coupleof days was like a really weird experience
because it reminded me of the importanceof just chilling, and like it annoyed
me how bad I am at it, and like how much anxiety it gives
me to just have to do nothingand like get yourself better, and like
the way to get yourself better islike do nothing. And I don't know,

(02:58:22):
I just realized, like watching thisepisode, I see myself a lot
in Midge, constantly being busy,constantly. I'm in New York, the
fast pace, on the go,always on the go, like lifestyle of
New York when you slow down,it's super uncomfortable. And yeah, like
everything about this this last episode oflike it just made me feel like,
God, that's gonna be me.Like even the watching the TV over the

(02:58:46):
phone with your best friend, likeI do that with my mama. You
know. Yeah, it was justyeah, but like you say, I
don't. I didn't feel like itwas um it was a bad, bad
thing or whatever. I didn't feellike bad for Midge, you know.
Yeah. So I there was somewhereI read and I wish I could find
the article how um you see Midgewhich she was in like kind of like

(02:59:07):
those pants in like a shirt,you know, top, and then she
put on that um, that longkind of you know that's it was white.
And I read somewhere that you know, um, Amy Sherman Palladino always
had Midge end in like either startand end the seasons with white. Oh

(02:59:28):
no way, Yeah, And Iwant to I'm gonna see if I could
find it because I thought I hadthat article open and I'm going through that
holds up because I was thinking.I was just thinking about the episode where
she's in that my Favorite dress whereafter she has her magical night with Lenny

(02:59:48):
and the she did end in whitebecause she ended in the snow. Yeah,
it's like every season except for theend of the first season. It's
in Glamor. It's an article calledthe Marvelous missus Maisel Finale. We bet
you didn't catch these hidden details,and it was the costume designer, Donna.

(03:00:11):
It's a cows guy. I thinkit's how you say her name said.
Other than the end of season one, Midge finished every season dressed in
white white, which is a cowskacalled cleaning the palette. So it's like
a fresh start every time. Iwas like that, I love that,
brilliant. And then in the beginningof season four, she like ripped off

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that palette. Oh yeah, thatwas what I love that scene. All
right, So we don't really knowwhere Midge is going, but what she
is going to do is she's goingto call Susie. There's Susie and all
of her beautiful, glorious white hairand her huge calf tan, and she's

(03:00:54):
weary Jackie's dog tag still after allthis time, and she is living in
Paradise. I think she's living inHawaii, what do you guys? No,
No, it's in Las yeah,so Alex Borstein has it's It's in
an Entertainment The Entertainment Weekly article.She says, it's funny. When we

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had our final celebration, my parents, uh were there when they watch When
we watched it. On the drivehome, my mother said, I just
thought it was so interesting that Susieended up in Australia. And I was
like, what are you talking about? She goes, well, wasn't that
supposed to be Australia. I'm like, no, it's Los Angeles up on
the west. She ended up onthe West Coast. She wanted that.

(03:01:35):
I thought there was a continent inbetween them. Yeah, I mean basically
it is a continent. Basically likeLa New York. The whole of the
United States is between your true true. She said. She wanted that piece
and quiet. She's done with thehorns, and she's done with the city
traffic, and she's done with squeezingon a subway. She wants space and
peace. She's a West Coaster wellliving of life. Yeah, Susie like

(03:02:01):
finally is laid back in chill andlike getting Yeah, she very much prioritizes
a nature because she had people onher staff in like matching outfits, like
looking like they're they work at somekind of a wildlife center, or working
like they work at a zoo wayway way in the distant background of her
house and they're like doing something inthe yard, like with all the trees

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and foliage and flowers. I don'tknow, but she had like a jungle
outside of her house, you know, with all her birds and everything.
I was like, Susie or livingmy life. I want, yeah,
I want that. I love howwith with Midge and Susie, how even
though they're you know, so faraway from each other, and the just
that continuous, like she can't findher glasses and Midge knows even though she's

(03:02:46):
nowhere near her and knows exactly wherethey are. It was so adorable.
Um again, Susie like, don'tpretend you know things, don't act like
you know. And then like shetotally knew. And I know that the
inspiration of this hole and scene wasum with mel Brooks and Carl Reiner's and
I know we have an article thatwe can we could definitely go into to

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reference that. Um, that's whatwe talked about. The red bird Susie
named her or Yeah, she pointsout Martha's story was unfairly treated since since
she was a woman, like justkind of by that time, we went
to jail. Went to jail becauseshe's abroad, even though every other guy
who does the same fucking thing iswalking around completely free. And then Martha
story, like Midge says it rightaway. She's like, I think you

(03:03:30):
would have given me that one.And then they talk about Midge brings up
reincarnation and like just talks about whatanimals, like she would ever come back
as a cute squirrel, a swanor a wild mustang. And then Susie
wants to come back as a skunk. Nah, we're in our and they're
just like laughing and just so happywith each other and and just it's so

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it's such a quiet but like justpeaceful, like listening to these two women
just have their conversation and they knoweach other backwards and forwards, and then
about to put on Jeopardy at theexact same time, and and it just
fades to black, and like itwas just beautiful. And I loved that

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Midge was drinking Bland's bourbon. Ijust have to say that, like as
soon as I saw that bottle andher pouring. I's like, this is
great. That's my favorite of bourbons. So I Susie's shoes. Yes,
it looks like gold crocs they did, Yeah, so little like fog half

(03:04:33):
tan. I was like, Susieis living her best life. She definitely
her style has become very flashy comparedto her very like muted and very feminine,
much more feminine than I ever wouldhave thought. And at first I
was like, Susie wouldn't wear this, And then and then I really watched
it and I like just really likestared at it, and I'm like,
no, no, it's right,it is right. That's Susie. Yeah,

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that's who she is. And weend with girls talk, which is
actually what we ended. Yeah,from the season finale, from the season
finale of season one. No,no, it was the first episode of
season ended. Yeah, it wasthe pilot episode ended with Dave Edmond's original
version. Yeah, and then thisone was Tegan and Sarah. Yeah,

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and my girl. I loved Teganand Sarah. God, it's just so
good. Yeah. The lines thatthe first couple of lines, there are
some things you can't cover up withlipstick and powder. Thought, I heard
you saying my name can't you talkany louder? It's just so perfect.
It's just so really really perfect,you know. Oh God. And then
they're just showing the credits were eachscene. It was like they were showing

(03:05:41):
a character that they didn't get achance to show. I loved it.
I love the credits so much.Yeah. There so. Alex Borsen said
about the laughter as like being thelast thing that you hear. She said,
I still haven't seen the very veryend of the show, but I
know that the intention was that thetwo of them are chatting and laughing as
we go out. In post production, they had us add a few things.
The laughter became stronger and they wantedit held a little bit longer.

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So I'm very curious to see howit's pieced together. It's absolutely appropriate.
The greatest romance, the love storyof this show is Midge and Susie,
and the laughter is their offspring.It's the children they created, and it's
and that's what they have, that'swhat they share. It's just so right
because I just love how they geteach other. And this this h this

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should remind everyone of the times whenthey're with their best friend and they say
something dumb that no one else wouldfind funny, but you guys find it
funny and it just splits your sideand you're just like stop stop, I
can't breathe. Oh my god,I'm crying. You know. It's like
one of those moments. We allknow those moments and we can all feel
like that's me and my best friend, you know. I mean I certainly

(03:06:48):
was like, that's me and mymamma. Like no one gets me like
she does, no one makes melaugh like she does. You know.
Yeah, it was so I justloved it. Well. I think there
was another article that was an AmySherman Palladino and Dan Palladino interview, and
I thought it was interesting. It'san Indie Wire and we'll link it.

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But they talk about how pretty muchevery day, every other day, they
were tempted to put Midge and Joelback together, and they played with the
idea basically down to the wire andsomething she said that stuck with me.
She said, we wanted something verycomfortable, almost mundane and normal, and

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so that's why they ended up focusingon Midgen Susie at the end, and
Amy Sherman Palladino said, I knowthat in that moment. She was not
married and she was not a widow, so that was her alone happy.
I took it at what she wasable to achieve. And they thought about

(03:07:58):
having her end up with Joel,and they said they finally settled on it,
like and then they said, whatwe thought about having them both with
somebody else, but showing them ina scene where they only want to be
with each other, they are stillkind of orbiting each other, but ultimately
ended up just kind of scrapping thatand putting in that scene with the photo

(03:08:20):
where she turns and looks at theirphoto from their first wedding. Yeah,
and basically they in the interview,they talk about how the only thing that
kept them from doing that was timeand space, like not having enough time
to get that together to happen.And I like this so much better.

(03:08:41):
I like, kind of I kindof hate. I hate that they were
so tempted to do that. I'mlike very disappointed at them, and I'm
like, not, it was sounnecessary. You don't need to eve what
is this MGM nineteen fifty four.You don't need to end in a wedding
or to end with like, happinessdoes not mean with someone romantically. That

(03:09:03):
is not what happiness looks like foreverybody, because even if they had done
what they wanted to with them bothwith other partners, but still like caring
so much about the other one.I was just like, that would have
taken away from it. So I'vetaken away from it. She looks back
fondly on the person, like shesays, the one that got away,

(03:09:24):
like she loved and cared about Joel. And then she walks through her giant
house which she wanted, and youknow, has that real moment with Susie.
And I like that ending so muchbetter than showing her, you know,
ending up with another man or havingher in some marriage, or reflecting

(03:09:50):
on her romantic life, like endingit with those two just their friendship and
being happy together after all they've achieved. I was like, this, it's
actually kind of the perfect end,Like it was. I really liked that
it was. It was totally perfectin my opinion, and we finally,
I was good to say, thewoman's finally lived up to all of us.

(03:10:13):
They're friends again. We can seethem interact. Yeah, I was
just looking through my notes and IAlex Borsen said about like the phone call
scenes in this show. I thoughtit was interesting. She said, every
scene in our show, not justthe finale, but every episode, at
any time that you saw someone ona phone call, the other actors were

(03:10:35):
always there. You just had tocome in on that day, even if
you have even if you were supposedto have the whole day off and you
were supposed to come in and doyour off camera telephone lines. And she
said, it's a it's a reallygood rule, especially for when you have
a scene that's that meaningful. AndI thought it was so interesting that they
shot that phone call before gordon Ford, like the gordon Ford shows last it
was the very last thing that theyshot, and they organized it that way

(03:10:56):
because they wanted it to feel likeeveryone for our last Hurrah would be there
together. And then they like theyshot confetti from the ceiling. You know,
as soon as they like that.It makes sense because even that that
conversation between the two, it isso mundane, is probably the best way

(03:11:18):
of looking at it. They're likenot talking about anything important. They're just
kind of shooting the ship and liketheorizing and just being silly with each other.
It wasn't as moving as the gordonFord moments, so we were able
to just kind of sit there andlike reflect with that that little tiny moment.
Yeah, exactly, what do youguys think about? The only thing

(03:11:41):
that I feel like we didn't getany closure on is like the kids,
the children thing, which that wasthe thing that surprised me the most,
is that we didn't see the childrenolder. Again. I'm not saying that
I'm bummed that we didn't get that. I was just surprised because I assumed.
I think that if there's one thingthey're going to show us for sure,
it's going to be the kids olderone more time. And Alex Borstein

(03:12:03):
said in an article, it's shesaid in a different day and age,
Miriam's future would have been very differentif it had not been the fifties when
she started out. I think itwould have been very different. Her kid's
reaction to who she was and howmuch she desired to make her own way
in the world would not have beenan issue today, even ten years later.
The kids would have been much moreat ease with the tremendous want that
lived inside of their mother. Yeah, what do you guys think about that?

(03:12:26):
Yeah, that's a really good point. I don't know if it was
that interview or a different Alex Borsteininterview where she touched on that, where
it was, you know, aproduct of the times essentially, where it's
not just the fact that you know, Midge was not around as much because

(03:12:48):
of her work, but the factthat adults, it would be very common
to say, where's your mother,Like heard the comments with Grandpa Dad,
Oh, his dad baby sitting youtoday? Or right, you know,
grandpa baby sitting you today. Whenthe onus is placed on the mother in
that situation, how much that wascalled attention to had to have had an

(03:13:11):
impact on Ethan and esther and howMidge was perceived. And I thought that
was a really good point, becauseyou know, nobody's sitting there, well,
Joel's working all these long hours atthe club and at the factory.
Nobody talks about how Joel is thisabsent father, and I feel like Midge

(03:13:33):
is around just as much as heis for the most part. I like
that take. Yeah, me too. I don't think that like you said,
Erica, I don't think Midge isa bad mother. I just think
that she had desires and wants andshe had her eyes set on a life
that was that didn't exist in thosein that time. Yeah, and so
for her, for her to goand pursue it and take it, it

(03:13:56):
comes off looking like a negligent parentor something or selfish or something. And
I mean at times, like,let's be honest, like yeah, just
like just like Rose, like Mishcan behind a selfish But this is not
a Rory Gilmore situation. People,you know, like this is there's nothing
wrong here. I think it allstems to the Shriners when they left poor
Esther in the car. I thinkthat's where it stems from. Yeah,

(03:14:18):
that's maybe Sherman Palladino's fault. Yeah, but I feel like I feel like
moments like that though, are likethe moments that like didn't really happen.
They just showed us that because haha, it's funny. Yeah. Yeah,
but it's funny too because Esther inthe opening episode of this season talks about
her mom calling her at four amand like not being considerate of her schedule.

(03:14:41):
And I was like, that stillseems to imply that they're pretty close
if her mom is calling her atfour am or after a show or something
like that. Yeah, like Ijust there's still a relationship. Yeah,
I don't understand though, quite whythey showed us future Ethan and Esther if

(03:15:01):
this was all they were going todo with them. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it wasn't my favorite.We all talked about it when we podcasted
it on those episodes, you know, we were all just like not loving
it, not loving it. Thosethose flash forwards were to go back and
rewatch them. I'm sure I willstill feel the same way of like,
eh, I don't love watching this. I think the only thing I liked
about the flash forward was the firstone with Esther, only because she did

(03:15:26):
such a good job. Yeah familylike Midge, Like I think the actor
actor did such a good job.True. Yeah, yeah, Well I
want to end this. I gotI was just realizing, like you know
how how you were saying, Karathat they said the fortune is Midge's touchstone.

(03:15:48):
I realized that. So it's likeevery time Midge pulls that out,
she it's her, it's her umground grounding back to I on the prize,
you know, like what would whatwould Lenny do kind of situation,
and how Lenny's like her champion andher like guardian angel and like her um
role model. In a way,this show is kind of that for me,

(03:16:11):
you know that whenever I turn iton, I remember what's important as
a performer at For just that's myway of how I connect to it.
That go get it, you know, and and go get it hard,
and like know that you you deserveto get the part or to get have

(03:16:33):
people listened to you, have peoplelook at you, the fame, whatever
you want to call it. Youdeserve that jade, you know. Like
that's what this show tells me.And yeah, I just it's that it's
so special to me, Like itis so God, it is so special.
I want to I want to endit by quoting Rachel Brosnahan. After

(03:16:56):
the final cut was called and theconfetti was you know, on the set,
she said in her on that Instagrampost, she said, I can't
quite believe it, but the lastepisode of The Marvelous Missus Masel is out
today. This marvelous adventure changed mylife in more ways than I can count.
I met some of the greatest peopleI've ever known and now get to
call them family, mentors and friends. I went to television boot camp and

(03:17:18):
learned how to be a better performer, leader, and producer. I wore
stunningly beautiful clothes, ate an embarrassingamount of prop food. Got the middle
finger from Alex daily. I grewup. I laughed till I cried,
and I cried till I laughed.Everyone says it, but they're lying because
our crew is the best in thebusiness. So many folks have been pouring

(03:17:39):
their time and talent into this showsince its first season, and none of
this would have been possible without theirdedication. We had the greatest cast and
writers and producers and department heads andAmy Sherman Palladino steering our ship. She
trusted all of us with her babyand pushed us to be better. And
you watched it. You were thewind in our sails through long days and

(03:18:00):
tough nights. I'm overwhelmed with gratitudeand I will be for a long long
time. Tit's up to the finalchapter. And then Alex Borstein replied,
thank you and goodbye. Oh.I know it's maybe they'll do a movie.
They totally lie it open. Ireally am seeing it. I don't
see how they cannot don't yeah,how they cannot do a movie? Did

(03:18:24):
you guys see that? Um?I don't know if it was an article
or a post how that was saidthat the reason it was canceled was not
because of other than Amazon yea ofpower. Yeah, I'll put that article
in the in the show notes.Well, before we get in diving into

(03:18:48):
our listener feedback, I want toI want to read a couple of reviews
that we got on Apple Podcast realquick, because I'm afraid that the people
who left these reviews, might youknow, leave before the listener feedback because
they clearly don't like that part ofit. So before you you know,
before you leave, um which youknow, if you don't like the listener

(03:19:11):
feedback, please leave. Just noone's forcing you to stay here and listen
to this. But we got wegotta review from sat cog three star review
says two long's you really feel?Yeah? Right, throw a couple more
os in there, make make ita little longer. I think you ladies

(03:19:35):
have great takes, and the professionalismof the podcast has improved a lot,
But the decision to read every singlereader comment is absolutely unhinged. There is
literally no reason to read three hundredcomments that say absolutely nothing interesting. Stop
doing that and it will solve theproblem of the length as well. Do
you know any other successful podcast thatreads every single reader comment. Thank do

(03:20:00):
you get paid by the hour?No, we don't get paid at all,
sat COG We do not get paidat all. So aren't we unhinged?
But what is more unhinged is Ithink someone saying we've improved, they
like the podcast, we have greattakes, and thank you for commenting on
our professionalism, because we are notprofessional at all, not even trying to

(03:20:22):
be. But to leave a threestar review on all just because you think
the podcast is too long, Noone is forcing you to continue listening if
you do not like the listener feedback, which I mean to say that to
say nothing interesting, I highly disagree. I think that we get a lot

(03:20:45):
of great conversation out of what ourlisteners say and sparks things in our mind
that oh, yeah, you're rightabout this. I forgot to say that,
let's touch on this, which wekind of skipped over that. And
also it engages our listeners in away that so that we all feel like
we're in this together like a family, like I don't know. That's my

(03:21:07):
favorite part of podcasting is the factthat I can talk directly to our listeners
and that they can talk back tous. Why if you have the ability
to do that, why not whynot do it? It's just I don't
know. I think it's super coolthat that that's a thing that we can
that we can do, and thatpeople are into responding to us and engaging
with us. So, um,we don't have a problem with the length,

(03:21:31):
And if you do, then there'sa real simple fixed to that.
It's it's just stop the podcast afterthe discussion is over. Because our discussions
are usually about two hours long.This one's probably way longer because it's it's
definitely it's a lot, But um, yeah, I get that it comes

(03:21:52):
off as unhinged. But what Ithink is more unhinged is leaving a low
review or like a low rating becauseof someone choosing to podcast for a long
amount of time. I mean,I just want to say, like,
what's it to you man, thefact that we like to podcast a long
time, Like it's our time.We're gonna do with it what we what

(03:22:13):
we will, and we want apodcast for hours. That's what we enjoy.
So that's I hope sat cog nowdoes not go back and change thee
I just hope that you change yourreview too. I would just appreciate.
I would just appreciate that you realizehow unhinged it is to compliment a podcast
and then to leave a low review, you know, a low rating.

(03:22:33):
It just doesn't I don't know,it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
to me. We appreciate the feedback, but yeah, the rating doesn't really
help anything. Yeah. I dolike when people feel like this and send
in an email as a suggestion,Like, I feel like that's that is
nice and constructive most of the time. Yeah, I just I just find

(03:22:54):
it very funny that people are gettingso angry. They're like, stop making
long podcasts. You stop that,And I'm like, well, it would
be one thing if we interspersed thelistener feedback like amongst the discussion, so
that it was kind of impossible foryou to avoid. But we take great
care to make sure the listener feedbackcomes after the discussion. So if you
only want to listen to a quicktwo hour discussion on the episode, then

(03:23:18):
you can you can do that.You can just stop listening to the episode.
So if you are about to listento our listener feedback and leave us
a low rating because you think it'stoo long, please stop and go away
now. Okay, that's all I'mgoing to ask. Just getting a little
annoyed at this whole, like stoppedwith the long podcast, Like yeah,

(03:23:39):
just maybe maybe you stop, maybethat can happen. So anyway, we
got another review, a four starreview, this time unpolished but insightful from
bt cup. This podcast is agreat job dissecting the episode and provides insight
into the Palladino's shows as the podcastersmove forward into other TV series, Please

(03:24:05):
hire a heavy handed editor to smoothout the parts when you all talk over
each other and cut back on theunnecessary tangents. Well okay, um,
I'm sorry, doesn't make it intoYes, yeah, our our editor works
really hard. Yes, yes shedoes. Hello, I'm I'm the editor.

(03:24:26):
I'm I hate editing. Um.I will try, though, I
will to smooth out the parts whenwe all talk over each other. I'm
sure that this episode I'm going tohave to do a lot of that because
we're just really excited and yeah,we're all like close friends, so we
have our friend group, you know, ways of talking. So I apologize,
guys, I know it's annoying tolisten to a podcast where people talk

(03:24:48):
over each other a lot, andI do really try hard to smooth out
those those parts. So I'm gonnatry harder. I'm gonna edit harder.
But the unnecessary tangents, I don'tfeel like we have too many, and
the reviews people people have said thatthey like our little you know, ramblings,
so that will probably stay. Asalways, We're trying to keep it

(03:25:11):
to the point and keep our tangents, even our tangents on topic. You
know. Um, when I listenback and I think that something is funny,
I tend to just keep it in. But I talked about possums like
one time. Yeah. Sorry,I'm sure that this is coming off as
like me being a bit, andI'm not trying to be a bit right

(03:25:33):
now. I'm just that that reviewabout the long the lengthy, any review
about our lengthy podcast is just itseems unhinged. It seems quite It's crazy
to me, Like, why doyou care so much? Why do you
go out of your way to rateour podcast low just because you don't like
the length? I don't know,but um, I appreciate the feedback about
the yeah talking over each other,and I will try in future to fix

(03:25:56):
that, So thank you. Foryou know, well, maybe not thank
you, but you left a review. So that's that's a thing that you
did. Okay, moving on,that's the thing you did. Yes,
I would appreciate it. If youchange it to five stars and wait for
us to do better, that wouldbe good. Yes. Now we will

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(03:28:09):
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you leave us a low rating,you know, maybe just give us a
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(03:28:31):
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Like I think that you guys havegreat suggestions. So please, before you
give us like a two star ratingjust because we have listener feedback, maybe
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(03:28:54):
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because our podcast is long, pleasego away and don't listen to the feedback.
And you post a time stamp inthe show notes so they know when
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(03:29:15):
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So I think it's helpful for discussion. And I will say in terms of

(03:29:39):
a marvelous missus masl Rewatch, like, I don't know about you guys,
but I feel like it might justbe a question of when we can't do
it, because yeah, I hopethat we'll have time to get to it
sooner than later. But we dohave only Murders in the Building coming up.
I am starting my new film reviewpodcast, and yeah, it's summer

(03:30:00):
and I kind of want to gooutside more, and podcasting is very much
an indoor sport, so it mighthave to wait. It might, But
just just know that, like perfectlymarvelous will always be perfectly marvelous. We're
going to be perfectly marvelous and onlymurders in the Building podcast like it's going
to be the same. We'll beperfectly marvelous in the building. Yeah,
right, like that, perfectly marvelousin the building, perfectly marvelous murders in

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the building, in the building.We just know that, like the marvelous
missus maisil Is is our first lovefor you know, talking with each other
about a show. So it's gonnacome back. Probably just might take a
minute for us to have the timeto get get around to it, but

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yeah, I'm pretty sure we're gonnabe doing it. So thank you,
guys, thank you so much forsticking around. All Right, so now,
without further ado, let's get intothat famous, very beloved listener feedback.
It's it's gonna be probably really long, so yeah, embrace it.
I'm excited, Yeah, I'm excitedfor it.

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