May 22, 2022 • 42 mins
Have you ever looked into getting a frog as a pet? There’s so much info online; where do you even start, and how do you know which advice to trust? In this week's episode of the Pet Owner Diary Show, Co-Host Tay Shoemaker gives us a breakdown of frog care, habitat setup, common questions, and everything you need to know before getting a frog! Friend Hannah from Project Polliwog sits down with Tay to give a reverse interview through the eyes of a future frog owner. You don’t want to miss this informative froggy hour with Co-Host Tay Shoemaker & Hannah!
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Welcome to the Pet Owner Diary Podcast, a show about helping you become a
better pet parent. In each episode, we deliver raw, honest, funny,
and insightful advice on how to bea great pet parent for any type
of pet. Now here's your host, America's Pet owner Coach Janelle Young.
Pay Pet Family, Welcome back tothe Pet Owner Diary Podcast. We are
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here today with someone special. Again. If you saw our last episode,
we did say that we're going toneed a part two because there is a
lot to cover, and Hannah andI can talk a lot, so we
have decided to continue on with ourfrog guide and learn a bit more.
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So yeah, one more episode withfrogs and then I promise we're done for
a little bit until I can't takeit any longer. So let's let's just
jump into it. Hannah is hereagain. Hannah, reintroduce yourself to the
people who are just just coming inon our part too. Yeah, of
course, my name is Hannah.I own the company Project Polliwog. We're
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a frog jewelry line that raises awarenessfor endangered frogs like the Georgia gopher frog
in California. Yell leg at frog, I met take through Project Polywog.
She reached out to me and wejust totally liked him, just became really
good friends since then. So hereI am. I'm going to interprete you
today about the frogs. Yes,and we're sitting in our home office today,
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Pollywog headquarters. He designed it.What's amazing, Thank you, thank
you. I try. But yeah, so we had kind of gone over
a little bit about what frogs eat. Specifically, we're going to be looking
at white street frogs, but maybewe'll talk a little bit about ground dwelling
frogs as well. But yeah,we want to focus on the white street
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frogs again. And we left offkind of talking about the tank set up.
I believe the last thing that wehad mentioned was substrate. And so,
Na, what start us off?What are your questions about substrate?
Do you so have some? Yeah? I have so many questions. I've
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been looking to get a frog lately, and Tay has been showing me all
of her frogs that she has herfrog rescue and that she adopts out by
the way, so if you lookat you get a frog, head over
to Tay's Exotic Critters dot Com andyou'll find it. Anyways, aside from
the plug. I had a questionabout the substrate. I know that there's
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a bunch of different substrates and wetouched on this slightly last time, but
you mentioned coconut fibers, You mentionedsponge, some kind of rupty sponge or
somethings, and then you also mentionedcloths, paper towels, things like that.
How if I wanted to make likea really really cute tank and I
wanted to look super natural and like, you know, let's say I bought
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like some kind of a metal dresseroff of Facebook and it's all glass and
I turned it into a frog terrarium. Like, what would be the steps
to make that environment livable if Ichose to go a less traditional route?
Right? Yeah, And I've seenthis actually a great question because I've seen
a lot of people use, um, like a cabinet from Ikea. Yeah,
but it's a little metal like greenone, I think, and it's
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a showcase cabinet, but it hasa door on it, it has hinges
um and you can take the shelvesout. Um. I've never done a
DIY like that, but um,the first step would honestly be, you
know, taking out all the shelves, making sure that everything is nice and
dirty and there's not any cracks.Um, you're gonna want to get aquarium
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calking or a silicone so that youcan steal everything up because especially if you're
gonna pule water in the bottom ofyour take. Um, it's always a
good idea. You do need somesort of tilation. So I'm not sure
if the tops are solid or what. What if we like took the glass
out and the wire mash in there, yea aquarium yeah, yeah, cautious,
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yeah, aquarium silicone, you know, whatever you want to call it.
It's it's it's basically caulking, whichis for um. So yeah,
you would you would need to makesome sort of ventilation in there, so
probably removing um, some glass ifthere's glass on the top or what,
um, depending on what you're doing. But they definitely need some ventilation because
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if it gets too human in there. Um, as we know, bacteria
can grow, it can build up. So um we're wanting to do um,
you know, a want it's gonnabe a big diy. It's gonna
be a big diy. Um.And then again, if you're wanting to
put stuff in the bottom or makea kind of an intractive background with some
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spray foam. UM, that's alwaysa good idea. There are a lot
of just royals online about doing this. UM. I've seen it pop up
a lot, and I do thinkthey are okay for the frogs. I
think, you know, if you'reif you're gonna put the time and the
money into it, I think Ithink you're gonna chieve something really good where
the frogs will be happy. I'veseen a lot of frogs thriving in these
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types of environments. So yeah,but the first step definitely would be to,
you know, make sure everything's sealedup and there's no way the frogs
can get hurt by squeezing in thelittle cracks and stuff. Did not makes
sense? Okay, So you mentionedwater at the bottom of the the bottom
of the tank or yeah, Iguess the tank would be guys sad the
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enclosure. Yes, the water atthe bottom of the enclosure. So do
all frogs need water at the bottomor like, what is it? Do
they like bathing? Do they?You know? I'm curious you mentioned this
to me before and just for theviewers for the listeners sessions and the listeners
saying how did frogs drink water,right, so yeah, so you can
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put water in the bottom of theirtank. That's another thing we can touch
on. Um. But frogs actuallyabsorb water through their skins, so you
will never see them drinking. Um. They don't do that. When you
see them sitting in the water bowl. That's when they're actively drinking, drinking
in quotes. Um, they're absorbingit through their skin. So um.
They you'll never see them like goingdown. They're actually like slurping it up
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with their mouths. Um. Ifyou do, you might have another problem.
But um, yeah, they reallylove the water. And again you
can put water in the bottom ofyour enclosure for tree frogs. Um.
If you look online at um,people like the sticky frogs. The sticky
frogs they have, Um, they'vesticky frogs has been around forever forever.
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I think they just celebrated their tenyear anniversary. So yeah, they're they're
very um old and seasoned froggies.UM. But they have at the bottom
it's kind of like a little pond. They've got pond rocks in the bottom
so the frogs can sit on top, and then they have a filter in
there that's constantly filtering the water.My frog Pesto, He is a Vietnamese
mossy frog and they live in highup caves, high up flooded caves in
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Vietnam, so they really like alot of rocks and a good amount of
water on the bottom. So hehas pretty much half of his tank is
all water and he loves it.And you can do that for white street
frogs as well. You just haveto make sure that you know you're doing
water changes, you're keeping everything clean. It works really well in a bioactive
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system. So yeah, if youwere wanting to do that, I think
a bioactive route would be a littlebit better for that. But a water
bowl or a large like container poolfor them is more than enough. For
the white tree frogs, Yeah,they like they like swimming. Some of
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them like swimming. Some of myfrogs will sit in the pool for hours
and just all around. But someof them are like, no, I'm
not I'm not doing that. I'drather just stay dry. So yeah,
it depends on the frog, butit also depends on what you want it
to look like. Okay, Isee, so I guess since you brought
up also, you brought up thatthe more humid it is the more bacteria
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thrives. So that kind of bringsa great segue into my next question,
which is what kind of sicknesses?What kind of illnesses should you be prepared
for do get a frog? Yeah, so the biggest one you're gonna see
is definitely bacterial infection. That isthe one that I see so often.
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Typically, you know, when youfirst get a frog, especially for buying
from a unknown breeder or a petstore, a lot of the times they
come with bacterial infections just because ofthe way that they've been kept up.
Yeah, but bacteral infections can comefrom your own tank as well. They're
very very easy to get. Again, too much community. You get that
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bacteria in there. They're absorbing everythingthrough their skin, so they you know,
that includes bacteria, excess water,standing water, and stuff like that.
And the first thing you're going tosee with that is bright lime green
speckling all of the back. Andeven for the blue x tree frogs,
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it's kind of like a lime keelcolor if you have the blue white tree
frogs, but the greens they getvery very bright lime green speckling. Sometimes
it can come in splatches as well, but typically that's gonna be a worse
case, and it's a lot.It's a lot. It's a couple clusters
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they can misfire, and misfiring isjust one or two spots or a splatch
that they're not like they're tummies,not read. They're not having any issues
eating or anything like that. They'renot lethargic at all. And they just
have like one or two blind greenspots. That's perfectly fine. That's completely
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normal. Sometimes they sometimes they mispireand they can get them from Strauss as
well. So there's a lot thatwe can go into with the illnesses because
there is a lot there. Butbacterial infection is the biggest one and it's
also the nastiest one because they cantake your frogs very very quickly. It's
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not taking care of So yeah,we and we'll go more into this after
the break here because there is alot that we can do. So yeah,
we'll be right back after this breakwith Keanna from Project Calliwog and we
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We are here with Hannah from ProjectPollywog doing a part two to our last
episode which is a care guide onfrogs. UM. We're gonna get more
into the in depth stuff, youknow, some of the health issues,
certain things that are absolutely required forthem that you know you you you cannot
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skip out on UM we're gonna talka little bit about that. And so
we were just talking about bacterial infectionsand how to spot them, and I
think spot them literally with the spots, literally with the lime green spots.
Um. Yeah, there's a lotto get into there. So you know,
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did you have do you want tostart us off with another question of
yes, you know what's running throughyour mind? Yeah? So that's I
mean, in my head, I'mkind of imagine like lemons, little lemons
getting spots all over them, youknow, how they start to mold and
things like that, they get thelittle in yeah, say the little spots.
And I was just thinking, okay, so the bacterial infection is one
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of the most common then just whatdo you do about that? Like when
you see it? What is kindof the soop on? Right? Yeah,
So the first thing you're gonna wantto do is obviously, um,
make sure that you have a bet. That's actually the first on One of
my biggest piece of advice is beforeyou buy a frog, make sure you
have an exotic bet. And youcan go online, um and type in
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your your town, your city,and then exotic bet and just kind of
search through there. Sometimes you haveto go through um web the vets websites,
they don't fully list it, butyou know they'll when you go to
the bios about each doctor, there'llbe a doctor there that says exotic bet
or specializes in reptile or something likethat. So you might have to do
a little bit of digging. Butyeah, that's the first thing you should
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do is call your bed and getin a playment book just in case things
um you know, don't don't gookay because it can't turn thors very easily.
And another big thing I will sayis don't panic, don't don't freak
out. Is completely normal unless you'reseeing an extremely blood red tummy and blood
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red legs, like I'm talking bloodred like you will see the veins.
It looks really nasty, which thatis red leg which is a very intense
spectral infection. That's like the finalstage of infection. So if you're just
seeing a little pink on tummy,and pink on the tummy is actually normal,
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light pink with like a little bitof irritation, that's normal. It's
just from them moving throughout the day. Giving them a soak will be perfectly
fine. But if you are seeingthat blood red and the spa and you're
noticing maybe they're a bit lethargic,you know, having problems like that.
Call your bed. And then thenext thing you want to do is set
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up a quarantine tank or bin.You can use whatever you want, and
basically what that is is it's justa simple tank or bin that you keep
very very clean. You put downsome paper towels. Paper towels are the
best for quarantine tanks because you canmonitor them very very easily on that.
You know, if they're having weirdpoops or blood or anything like that,
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you're gonna see it on the papertowels, so that's very important. And
then you can add a little waterbowl and a little hide and you just
kind of watch them over there,and you're gonna want to keep it a
little bit dry because again, anyexcess water can you know, bread the
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bacteria and make things worse. Soyou're gonna want to keep it a little
bit dry. And that's pretty muchit. Making sure that you're so them
changing the paper towel every day,changing their water every day. You might
have to even change it twice aday, and just keeping that for a
minor infection that will typically after acouple of days to clear up. If
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you're seeing anything worse than that,you need to bring them to the vet.
And yeah, that's kind of thebiggest thing you can do, is
get them into the vet because theycan prescribe antibiotics. You know, they
can give you entire effecterial appointments andstuff and soaks that will help clear that
up. So um soaked, Imean soaks. Excuse me, don't give
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your frogs, So don't do that. But yeah, so the biggest thing
is, you know, setting upa quarantine tank, monitoring them, putting
them in a clean environment, andthen get yourself to the vet. There
are other things you can do,but I like to say, leave it
to a professional, or leave ittill you know you're kind of in a
bigger margency, like you can't givethem to the bet or they've just declined
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so fast that you know this islike, um, the only thing you
can do. So I won't gointo that because there are a lot of
things you need to know and beprepared for for that, And I don't
encourage people who are not professionals todo it because you can unfortunately harm your
frogs or possibly kill your frogs doingsome of the techniques. So out of
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your vet. Yeah, have avet, go to them. They typically
know what they're doing or um,you know, feel free to message me.
Um. We have a couple mguides and stuff on the website,
so you can look through all ofthat as well. UM there's some stuff
about bacterial infections, how to spotthem, how to treat them, stuff
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like that, and that's all onthe website on our help frog help section.
Awesome. Yeah, okay, Sothen I guess my next question would
be, so to prevent these factorsinfections, you have to and I mean,
I guess this is just good practicein general for making their environment healthy.
Would you say, or I guessI should ask this different thing.
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What would you say you should notskimp out on? Because I know that
there are a lot of DIY optionsout there, like what things should you
just pay the money to get thegood stuff for? Um, just in
general or like in terms of habitat, like mighty community definitely ubbum a lot
of So. Yeah, So UBBis um it's an ultra violet ray obviously
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UBB and it comes from the sun. So there's UBA and there's UBB.
UBB helps with strong bone growth.M it's extremely important to keep your systems
working. And while we can justwalk outside and go get it from the
sun, um frogs can't do that. I mean, you can take them
out to somebody. They don't recommendit, but they're simply even doing that,
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you're they're not going to get enough. UBP and UVB is extremely important
because it again keeps their bones strong. It helps with their systems. There's
a chemical balance that they have ofcalcium phosphorus and vitamin D and vitamin D
you get from your UVB, andif any part in this balance is incorrect,
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they can get something called metabolic bonedisease or FBD. Yes, and
then basically it's extremely painful. Itbreaks down the bones. If you've seen
my girl, SWEETP, SWEETP,that's what she had when she first came
to us. It is treatable,but it takes a long time. You
know, we've had SWEETP for aboutthree years now and she's only just like
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ready to move into a bigger tankand have more freedom. And you know,
she's climbing again. She couldn't climbbefore because their bones are just they're
they're floppy. They get very floppy, they get very loose. And um,
it's also extremely painful whenever they move, So one way to avoid that
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is by getting UBB. And you'regonna want a T five ho Ubb food
lamp. Um, make sure you'regetting a a long other tubed lighting instead
of the bulbs. Any of theballs that they're selling the round bulbs,
that's just white light. It's notreally UBB. So don't skip out on
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the UBB because it affects everything.And yeah, well we'll talk more about
some of the more important things aswell, but you know, ubbs is
the big one, so we're gonnatake a quick break, and yeah,
we'll be right back with Hannah fromProject Polylogue and Tay from Tay's Exotic Clearness
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This is a part to to ourguide to frong Care. And again
I'm gonna I'm gonna flaunt my credentialshere for for a sec um, yeah,
just just because I can. Yeah. Um, I have been running
a frog rescue, yes I know, very specific just wrongs um for about
five years out um since twenty ifI do the math right, twenty eighteen
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is that five years? Is thatfour years? I don't know, um
for a long time. It's beena long time, um, And so
I've done a lot of um medicalcare, rehabilitation, all that fun stuff,
and so I think I have alittle bit of credit here. And
I wanted to make this purely becauseI get asked so many times to either
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give all the information I have orcertain questions frequent ask questions, over and
over again. And now I canjust send people to this two part series.
So it's gonna be very nice forme. So it's a little bit
of a selfish reason. But Ialso think it's a great topic. So
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yeah, yeah, and yeah,so my rescue is to use exotic critters.
I'm here with Hannah from Project polylogand let's keep talking. Yeah,
acquirements. So we had just beentalking about UVP and why it's so important.
Yeah, so I guess my nextquestion this kind of segues into it
too. So you shouldn't skip outon the lighting, which is important and
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prevents a bunch of diseases, bunchof bone lack of growth. Yeah,
I don't know the word that MBDbone insterioration. Yeah, either way,
not good. Yeah, not good. You don't want that to the froggies.
So I guess then, what aresome common misconceptions that are often thrown
around that people say are like,oh, yeah, this is fact,
but in reality it's not there.What are three? Let's let's go with
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three. I can do okay,UM Well, speaking off of um UBB,
one I hear a lot is thatthey don't need UBB. And it's
becoming more common now that people understandthat they need UBB. But when I
first started, that was a hugething. People didn't understand that UBB was
so important. And there were somany cases of MBD and I would see
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them everywhere, and you know,you would talk to these people and be
like, hey, do you havemb or do you have MOBB? Like
are you giving calcium? Like what'sgoing on with this? And they'd be
like, oh no, my friendjust like his tank is up against the
window, so he's fine. Andif you, if you know anything about
you would be an UVA race is. They can't go through glass. They
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cannot travel through gaunt glass. That'swhy you don't get you know, sunburns
when you're sitting inside. Oh god, so yeah, they don't. The
UVV is kind of what you know, gives you those those sunburns and so
or a tan um and so youknow, when we're inside, we don't
get it, even if it's supersuper sunny or you have like a super
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sunny skylight or anything like that,You're not gonna get burnt because I can't
travel through glass. So um.Some people, Yeah, they just put
their rogs up against um a windowand they think it's fine. But you
know, that's two panes of glassthat the UVBA has to travel through your
window and then the tank. Sothat's they're not getting anything. They're not
getting anything. Um. So that'swhy UVB is so important to have a
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direct UVUV lamp. UM. Sothat's one, but that's kind of that's
that's going away a little bit.Thank you Google. Yes, thank you
Google, Thank you guys, thankyou kay yes um. And then the
other one I think is that theycannot be handled. So I don't know
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for certain frogs that is true,um, more sensitive species like a red
eye tree frog, a glass frog, UM, like any of those super
super porous skin um type frogs,that is true. They should be handled
with gloves. But White's tree frogsspecifically are extremely hearty frogs. Um.
They literally I know I said this. The species is not the same as
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the wild ones. Really, they'vekind of evolved differently. But in the
wild they literally live in toilets andyou know, gross cow pastures and stuff
like that, like they're unless youhave really nasty hands, Um, you're
fine. Um, but you dohave to wash your hands very, very
long. All the way I doit is I get sentless soap. Um.
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Pretty much, any soap or detergentsyou're gonna use with them should be
sentless because fragrances and fragrance oils andstuff, Um, they they're gonna have
a problem with that. So thenyou're going to want to wash your hands.
I soap twice just to make sure. And if you've touched any chemicals
and you bleach anything like that throughoutthe day, just don't just don't handle
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them, you know, just tobe safe. But you can't handle them
for five to ten minutes without anyproblems. Thirty minutes max, um,
But I say anything over five toten minutes. You should have gloves.
And I like the food service gloves, the plastic ones because they typically don't
have powder or anything like that.But they can they can be held.
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Um, it's just you have tomake sure you're doing it the correct way.
Always keep your hands from moist,you know, you wash or if
you're keeping your hands moist, makesure it's de chlorinated water, fully dry
your hands for and after um,you know, you you take them out
and you take them in, um, and make sure to wash your hands
after too because they're stinky and theylay around in poop and pea and literally
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poop and pee on each other.So um, yeah, don't wash your
hands after Okay, So then thelast one, what would be the last
one? Um? Oh, thepeople are afraid of meal worms. I
don't understand this because you have alot of breeders who feed white street frogs
mikes, pinky nice stuff like that. One. Yes, really I think
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those were only like the little thelittle flat toad looking. You can't feed
them in packground frogs. But peoplethink, yeah they're flat times yet um,
they're just a mouth literally, umout of the Yeah, that's why
they're called pac man. You know, they're just a mouth. Um.
But yeah, so you can feedthem that. But and and again you
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know people are like, well,you know, in the wild they eat
snakes and they eat you know,words and rodents and things like that.
And do they really yes, ohyeah, they're known in Australia as snake
eating frogs because you'll often find them. Oh um, the white seriously,
oh my god. There you'll seepictures of them taking down snakes And how
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big can they grow? They getpretty big in the wild, probably about
the size of your hand. Um, the biggest one I've seen in captivity
was yeah, about the size oflike the average human hand. That's crazy,
Like there's other hands. Um,Mikey's have hands to hum. But
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yeah, they get pretty big,and they can eat um in the wild,
at least they can eat anything halfthe size of their body. So
there is this argument that people saythat they cannot digest meal worms properly.
Neo worms are these teeny tiny worms. Now, they do have a harder
shell around them, they say.You know, the um percentage, which
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is kitan is basically how hard theirtheir shell is, their exoskeleton is if
there's a lot of kiting and theexoskeleton, the harder it will be.
UM. But um, they havethe same kighting percentage as crickets, and
so really they're they're the same.Like. Oh, there's also a common
myth that they will chew through umstomachs and stuff like that, but that
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is again a myth. Um,I do chop the heads off of super
worms, just to be extra safebecause the whole sup I'm super parani.
Yeah, it's kind of gross.I'm super paranoid. So I do chop
the heads off of them because superwormsare big. Their their exo skeleton isn't
as hard, um, but theyare super big, and so I do
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I do chop the heads off.Sorry, if anyone's eating, I do.
I do chop the heads off,um, just to be safe.
But they can be perfectly digested.They're fine famal worms. They if you're
from is having problems digesting the muleworms, I would say it's more a
problem with your frog than the muleworms. Um. So that might be
something you want to get checked out. Um. But yeah, that's another
thing that I hear all the time, and I'm like, no, I
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like, I literally feed my frogs, love me worms. So yeah,
okay, so I guess then thisis a totally random question. But you
mentioned that frogs can't absorb chemicals throughtheir skin. They drink through their skin,
so then do they tea and poopthrough their skins? Also, excuse
my fer it's a good disco question. It's a good question because you know,
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if it goes in one way,how does it go where they so
they can kind of push the fluidsout of their skin, but really not
they're not gonna do that. Um, they have a butt. They have
a bug. Um that's really poopfrom but they also peel from there.
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And um, if you've ever beenpeed on by a frog, especially when
street found, you know what's likea freaking water jet. It is like
a water gun and they just shootit out and they'll do that for defense
as well. So like I havegotten pea in my eye before, Oh
my god. Like doing health checksand stuff. You just hold them up
and they're just like, I'm donewith this. I'm just gonna I'm just
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gonna pey on you. And thenthey'll just like pee on your face,
they'll pe on your clothes. Theydon't care, like when they're done with
you, they're done and they're like, I'm gonna pee on you and you're
gonna put me down. So thatis that that that's their big defense.
But they can have a boothole.They do have a boothole, and um,
the pea and cook come out ofthere, but their pea is pretty
much just water. Okay, yeah, I'm thinking like acid, Like,
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yeah, no, no, alot of this stuff comes out in the
poop and then they also retain water, so a lot of um, that
defensive pea is just gonna be waterum. But yeah, well we'll get
back to the pawtie talk after thisquick break and yeah we'll be right back.
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Project Polywog and tay Me from PaisyZonic Critter's Rescue, and we were doing
some potty talk. I gotta behonest, you're doing some potty talk about
frogs. So, Hannah, doyou want to stam a potty talk or
do you want to shift? Youknow, I think that I know everything
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I need to know about that now, so that's good. I was curious
though, what Okay, so we'vetalked a lot about kind of what frogs
need, what kind of habitat theyneed, So now I kind of want
to move towards this next question,which is, how do you get a
frog? Where should you get themfrom? Where should you not get them?
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Okay? Right, And this isalso a little bit of luck because
I know that I'm getting from you. Yes, so well, no worrying,
also clug, no work. Yeah, So there are multiple different ways
that you can get a frog.Um, I will say, if you're
wanting a baby frog or something,like that going to a breeder is a
very good option. Josh's Frogs isthe biggest breeder that um, most people
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know of. When you when youlook at a frog or anything about frogs,
Josha's Frogs will typically come up.There's also Frogs Direct. Um,
there is Sticky Toes and Winces,which is actually where our leggy frogs are
from. Um. There's there's somany great breeders out there, um,
but there are also some you know, not so great breeders out there.
So look at their reviews, youknow, um, you know, just
(35:53):
just do your research. You cantypically ask um someone on social media or
in a Facebook group, especially aFacebook group, where they get their frogs
from, and you know who theyrecommend who they don't. But um,
Josh's frogs are amazing. Um andthey ship and they ship yea, they
ship. It's overnight, so youdo have to pay express shipping, so
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it will be expensive. Um.But you know, again you don't want
to you don't want to skim abouton you know, getting your frog um.
And so yeah you can do that. You can go to pet stores
again. UM, I'm not allowedto trash the pet stores, so I
won't say but sometimes they're not thebest. If you're going to like a
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local pet store, typically that's they'rea lot better. Um, So if
you're wanting to do a pet store, UM, do that just being wary.
You know, look at when you'rein there, look at the frogs.
Do they look healthy? Is thereset up mimicking something that you would
set up? Like just just youknow, be a critical thinking, you
know, figure it out and um, you know if you think if you
(37:00):
think they're good, then hey getit like but um yeah, just be
careful with that. And then Iam I'm the only frog rescue that I
know of. I do know somefrogs sanctuaries, but they don't tend to
adopt out. They tend to takein frogs that need rehabilitation or older frogs,
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and um, they kind of keepthem there. They don't really adopt
them out. But you can't goto our website to his Exotic Critics Rescue
dot com, and we do havefour whites free frogs out for adoption right
now. They are absolutely adorable.They're all probably about six to seven months
old a year at most, andthey're all super sweet. So I highly
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recommend going and checking them out.And you can apply on there. We
do you know, you do needto apply, you do need to adopt,
and we do have an adoption feeon there. So um, and
again the shipping is expensive, butyou know that's just how that's how it
is. You know, you're justseeing we love FedEx, but you know
it's expensive. Yeah. And then, um, there are some places you
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do want to avoid. Um.I'm not gonna call on an you will
know, but I will say thatthere is one place that you do not
absolutely um by from and it issomething waters. That's all I'm gonna say
something waters reptiles. Really you tohear it. What is like I can't
(38:30):
trash talk too, but okay,Um, they're just not gonna they breed
and um sick frogs and then orreptiles in general they breed um sick animals.
And then they also import from captivity. So there's a lot of wild
caught um, which is again notgood. Yeah. So um, yeah,
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you'll figure it out. When yousearched up something, they will come
out. They're probably like the firstone. But yeah, that actually reminds
me. So I was talking toMark men Mendisa, I hope I'm saying
his name wrong market you're listening,I apologize, but he is the executive
director over at the Amphibian Foundation,and I was talking to him about the
kind of reptile expos and things likethat, and I heard that some of
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them are not ethical, but Ididn't know what that meant. By what
does what does he mean by notethical? So again, expos are if
he I really like exposum purely becauseyou know, you get to go with
your friends and you get to seelots of fun things and talk to fun
people. But some of the peoplethere are not breading with their best interest
(39:40):
in mind. UM. They're breedingfor money, UM. And you'll see
they're typically the people that have alot of sick animals and their prices are
very high. UM. So definitely, within the past couple years, I
have seen things get better, thoughI think there's a lot more people who
were extremely passionate for their animals andUM when the pandemic, and before the
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pandemic happened, you know, Iwould go there and I see a lot
of sick animals, and I wouldyou know, take a lot home for
rehabilitation and UM. After the pandemic, though the most recent expo I went
to was very very nice. Therewas only one booth there and we did
take um, well, there wasn'tone booth there. There was only one
booth that we saw problems with andwe did. Um have a frog handid
(40:30):
over to us, Libby our libbyfrog. She has a piece of her
lip missing. Um, which theywere trying to tell us is wrote nose
rob and it was not nose rum. But yeah, so so Xbox can
be a bit iffy. I completelyunderstand why Mark is kind of like,
you know, iffy about it,but um, they can't be really fun
then they can't be really great.Um. But yeah, yeah, I
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just want to say thank you somuch we're doing if we're agreeing to do
a two partner with me and helpingme out here having an amazing interview.
Um, is there anything that youwant to plug? Ye? Go,
I do want to plug something actually, so me and you or you and
I sorry my grammar? Yeah,I really shot my age here. And
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now you and I are gonna beat conro in yes, ay right,
yes, we're gonna be at Conrowthe expo in June eleventh and twelve.
We're gonna be there, so go'llcome see us. We're gonna have some
frogs to look at, We're gonnahave some jewelry to sell, and it's
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gonna be really really fun. Um. You can also check me out at
Tasaxon at critters dot com. Againour Instagram UM is there to talk all
that fun stuff. And yeah,thanks for sitting through this everyone, and
we will see you, same time, same place next week. Bye y'all.
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Pay Pet Family, Welcome back tothe Pet Owner Diary Podcast. We are
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here today with someone special. Again. If you saw our last episode,
we did say that we're going toneed a part two because there is a
lot to cover, and Hannah andI can talk a lot, so we
have decided to continue on with ourfrog guide and learn a bit more.
(00:50):
So yeah, one more episode withfrogs and then I promise we're done for
a little bit until I can't takeit any longer. So let's let's just
jump into it. Hannah is hereagain. Hannah, reintroduce yourself to the
people who are just just coming inon our part too. Yeah, of
course, my name is Hannah.I own the company Project Polliwog. We're
(01:11):
a frog jewelry line that raises awarenessfor endangered frogs like the Georgia gopher frog
in California. Yell leg at frog, I met take through Project Polywog.
She reached out to me and wejust totally liked him, just became really
good friends since then. So hereI am. I'm going to interprete you
today about the frogs. Yes,and we're sitting in our home office today,
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Pollywog headquarters. He designed it.What's amazing, Thank you, thank
you. I try. But yeah, so we had kind of gone over
a little bit about what frogs eat. Specifically, we're going to be looking
at white street frogs, but maybewe'll talk a little bit about ground dwelling
frogs as well. But yeah,we want to focus on the white street
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frogs again. And we left offkind of talking about the tank set up.
I believe the last thing that wehad mentioned was substrate. And so,
Na, what start us off?What are your questions about substrate?
Do you so have some? Yeah? I have so many questions. I've
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been looking to get a frog lately, and Tay has been showing me all
of her frogs that she has herfrog rescue and that she adopts out by
the way, so if you lookat you get a frog, head over
to Tay's Exotic Critters dot Com andyou'll find it. Anyways, aside from
the plug. I had a questionabout the substrate. I know that there's
(02:40):
a bunch of different substrates and wetouched on this slightly last time, but
you mentioned coconut fibers, You mentionedsponge, some kind of rupty sponge or
somethings, and then you also mentionedcloths, paper towels, things like that.
How if I wanted to make likea really really cute tank and I
wanted to look super natural and like, you know, let's say I bought
(03:02):
like some kind of a metal dresseroff of Facebook and it's all glass and
I turned it into a frog terrarium. Like, what would be the steps
to make that environment livable if Ichose to go a less traditional route?
Right? Yeah, And I've seenthis actually a great question because I've seen
a lot of people use, um, like a cabinet from Ikea. Yeah,
but it's a little metal like greenone, I think, and it's
(03:24):
a showcase cabinet, but it hasa door on it, it has hinges
um and you can take the shelvesout. Um. I've never done a
DIY like that, but um,the first step would honestly be, you
know, taking out all the shelves, making sure that everything is nice and
dirty and there's not any cracks.Um, you're gonna want to get aquarium
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calking or a silicone so that youcan steal everything up because especially if you're
gonna pule water in the bottom ofyour take. Um, it's always a
good idea. You do need somesort of tilation. So I'm not sure
if the tops are solid or what. What if we like took the glass
out and the wire mash in there, yea aquarium yeah, yeah, cautious,
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yeah, aquarium silicone, you know, whatever you want to call it.
It's it's it's basically caulking, whichis for um. So yeah,
you would you would need to makesome sort of ventilation in there, so
probably removing um, some glass ifthere's glass on the top or what,
um, depending on what you're doing. But they definitely need some ventilation because
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if it gets too human in there. Um, as we know, bacteria
can grow, it can build up. So um we're wanting to do um,
you know, a want it's gonnabe a big diy. It's gonna
be a big diy. Um.And then again, if you're wanting to
put stuff in the bottom or makea kind of an intractive background with some
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spray foam. UM, that's alwaysa good idea. There are a lot
of just royals online about doing this. UM. I've seen it pop up
a lot, and I do thinkthey are okay for the frogs. I
think, you know, if you'reif you're gonna put the time and the
money into it, I think Ithink you're gonna chieve something really good where
the frogs will be happy. I'veseen a lot of frogs thriving in these
(05:17):
types of environments. So yeah,but the first step definitely would be to,
you know, make sure everything's sealedup and there's no way the frogs
can get hurt by squeezing in thelittle cracks and stuff. Did not makes
sense? Okay, So you mentionedwater at the bottom of the the bottom
of the tank or yeah, Iguess the tank would be guys sad the
(05:39):
enclosure. Yes, the water atthe bottom of the enclosure. So do
all frogs need water at the bottomor like, what is it? Do
they like bathing? Do they?You know? I'm curious you mentioned this
to me before and just for theviewers for the listeners sessions and the listeners
saying how did frogs drink water,right, so yeah, so you can
(06:00):
put water in the bottom of theirtank. That's another thing we can touch
on. Um. But frogs actuallyabsorb water through their skins, so you
will never see them drinking. Um. They don't do that. When you
see them sitting in the water bowl. That's when they're actively drinking, drinking
in quotes. Um, they're absorbingit through their skin. So um.
They you'll never see them like goingdown. They're actually like slurping it up
(06:21):
with their mouths. Um. Ifyou do, you might have another problem.
But um, yeah, they reallylove the water. And again you
can put water in the bottom ofyour enclosure for tree frogs. Um.
If you look online at um,people like the sticky frogs. The sticky
frogs they have, Um, they'vesticky frogs has been around forever forever.
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I think they just celebrated their tenyear anniversary. So yeah, they're they're
very um old and seasoned froggies.UM. But they have at the bottom
it's kind of like a little pond. They've got pond rocks in the bottom
so the frogs can sit on top, and then they have a filter in
there that's constantly filtering the water.My frog Pesto, He is a Vietnamese
mossy frog and they live in highup caves, high up flooded caves in
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Vietnam, so they really like alot of rocks and a good amount of
water on the bottom. So hehas pretty much half of his tank is
all water and he loves it.And you can do that for white street
frogs as well. You just haveto make sure that you know you're doing
water changes, you're keeping everything clean. It works really well in a bioactive
(07:36):
system. So yeah, if youwere wanting to do that, I think
a bioactive route would be a littlebit better for that. But a water
bowl or a large like container poolfor them is more than enough. For
the white tree frogs, Yeah,they like they like swimming. Some of
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them like swimming. Some of myfrogs will sit in the pool for hours
and just all around. But someof them are like, no, I'm
not I'm not doing that. I'drather just stay dry. So yeah,
it depends on the frog, butit also depends on what you want it
to look like. Okay, Isee, so I guess since you brought
up also, you brought up thatthe more humid it is the more bacteria
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thrives. So that kind of bringsa great segue into my next question,
which is what kind of sicknesses?What kind of illnesses should you be prepared
for do get a frog? Yeah, so the biggest one you're gonna see
is definitely bacterial infection. That isthe one that I see so often.
(08:39):
Typically, you know, when youfirst get a frog, especially for buying
from a unknown breeder or a petstore, a lot of the times they
come with bacterial infections just because ofthe way that they've been kept up.
Yeah, but bacteral infections can comefrom your own tank as well. They're
very very easy to get. Again, too much community. You get that
(09:01):
bacteria in there. They're absorbing everythingthrough their skin, so they you know,
that includes bacteria, excess water,standing water, and stuff like that.
And the first thing you're going tosee with that is bright lime green
speckling all of the back. Andeven for the blue x tree frogs,
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it's kind of like a lime keelcolor if you have the blue white tree
frogs, but the greens they getvery very bright lime green speckling. Sometimes
it can come in splatches as well, but typically that's gonna be a worse
case, and it's a lot.It's a lot. It's a couple clusters
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they can misfire, and misfiring isjust one or two spots or a splatch
that they're not like they're tummies,not read. They're not having any issues
eating or anything like that. They'renot lethargic at all. And they just
have like one or two blind greenspots. That's perfectly fine. That's completely
(10:11):
normal. Sometimes they sometimes they mispireand they can get them from Strauss as
well. So there's a lot thatwe can go into with the illnesses because
there is a lot there. Butbacterial infection is the biggest one and it's
also the nastiest one because they cantake your frogs very very quickly. It's
(10:33):
not taking care of So yeah,we and we'll go more into this after
the break here because there is alot that we can do. So yeah,
we'll be right back after this breakwith Keanna from Project Calliwog and we
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We are here with Hannah from ProjectPollywog doing a part two to our last
episode which is a care guide onfrogs. UM. We're gonna get more
into the in depth stuff, youknow, some of the health issues,
certain things that are absolutely required forthem that you know you you you cannot
(12:33):
skip out on UM we're gonna talka little bit about that. And so
we were just talking about bacterial infectionsand how to spot them, and I
think spot them literally with the spots, literally with the lime green spots.
Um. Yeah, there's a lotto get into there. So you know,
(12:54):
did you have do you want tostart us off with another question of
yes, you know what's running throughyour mind? Yeah? So that's I
mean, in my head, I'mkind of imagine like lemons, little lemons
getting spots all over them, youknow, how they start to mold and
things like that, they get thelittle in yeah, say the little spots.
And I was just thinking, okay, so the bacterial infection is one
(13:15):
of the most common then just whatdo you do about that? Like when
you see it? What is kindof the soop on? Right? Yeah,
So the first thing you're gonna wantto do is obviously, um,
make sure that you have a bet. That's actually the first on One of
my biggest piece of advice is beforeyou buy a frog, make sure you
have an exotic bet. And youcan go online, um and type in
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your your town, your city,and then exotic bet and just kind of
search through there. Sometimes you haveto go through um web the vets websites,
they don't fully list it, butyou know they'll when you go to
the bios about each doctor, there'llbe a doctor there that says exotic bet
or specializes in reptile or something likethat. So you might have to do
a little bit of digging. Butyeah, that's the first thing you should
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do is call your bed and getin a playment book just in case things
um you know, don't don't gookay because it can't turn thors very easily.
And another big thing I will sayis don't panic, don't don't freak
out. Is completely normal unless you'reseeing an extremely blood red tummy and blood
(14:26):
red legs, like I'm talking bloodred like you will see the veins.
It looks really nasty, which thatis red leg which is a very intense
spectral infection. That's like the finalstage of infection. So if you're just
seeing a little pink on tummy,and pink on the tummy is actually normal,
(14:48):
light pink with like a little bitof irritation, that's normal. It's
just from them moving throughout the day. Giving them a soak will be perfectly
fine. But if you are seeingthat blood red and the spa and you're
noticing maybe they're a bit lethargic,you know, having problems like that.
Call your bed. And then thenext thing you want to do is set
(15:09):
up a quarantine tank or bin.You can use whatever you want, and
basically what that is is it's justa simple tank or bin that you keep
very very clean. You put downsome paper towels. Paper towels are the
best for quarantine tanks because you canmonitor them very very easily on that.
You know, if they're having weirdpoops or blood or anything like that,
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you're gonna see it on the papertowels, so that's very important. And
then you can add a little waterbowl and a little hide and you just
kind of watch them over there,and you're gonna want to keep it a
little bit dry because again, anyexcess water can you know, bread the
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bacteria and make things worse. Soyou're gonna want to keep it a little
bit dry. And that's pretty muchit. Making sure that you're so them
changing the paper towel every day,changing their water every day. You might
have to even change it twice aday, and just keeping that for a
minor infection that will typically after acouple of days to clear up. If
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you're seeing anything worse than that,you need to bring them to the vet.
And yeah, that's kind of thebiggest thing you can do, is
get them into the vet because theycan prescribe antibiotics. You know, they
can give you entire effecterial appointments andstuff and soaks that will help clear that
up. So um soaked, Imean soaks. Excuse me, don't give
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your frogs, So don't do that. But yeah, so the biggest thing
is, you know, setting upa quarantine tank, monitoring them, putting
them in a clean environment, andthen get yourself to the vet. There
are other things you can do,but I like to say, leave it
to a professional, or leave ittill you know you're kind of in a
bigger margency, like you can't givethem to the bet or they've just declined
(17:00):
so fast that you know this islike, um, the only thing you
can do. So I won't gointo that because there are a lot of
things you need to know and beprepared for for that, And I don't
encourage people who are not professionals todo it because you can unfortunately harm your
frogs or possibly kill your frogs doingsome of the techniques. So out of
(17:26):
your vet. Yeah, have avet, go to them. They typically
know what they're doing or um,you know, feel free to message me.
Um. We have a couple mguides and stuff on the website,
so you can look through all ofthat as well. UM there's some stuff
about bacterial infections, how to spotthem, how to treat them, stuff
(17:47):
like that, and that's all onthe website on our help frog help section.
Awesome. Yeah, okay, Sothen I guess my next question would
be, so to prevent these factorsinfections, you have to and I mean,
I guess this is just good practicein general for making their environment healthy.
Would you say, or I guessI should ask this different thing.
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What would you say you should notskimp out on? Because I know that
there are a lot of DIY optionsout there, like what things should you
just pay the money to get thegood stuff for? Um, just in
general or like in terms of habitat, like mighty community definitely ubbum a lot
of So. Yeah, So UBBis um it's an ultra violet ray obviously
(18:40):
UBB and it comes from the sun. So there's UBA and there's UBB.
UBB helps with strong bone growth.M it's extremely important to keep your systems
working. And while we can justwalk outside and go get it from the
sun, um frogs can't do that. I mean, you can take them
out to somebody. They don't recommendit, but they're simply even doing that,
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you're they're not going to get enough. UBP and UVB is extremely important
because it again keeps their bones strong. It helps with their systems. There's
a chemical balance that they have ofcalcium phosphorus and vitamin D and vitamin D
you get from your UVB, andif any part in this balance is incorrect,
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they can get something called metabolic bonedisease or FBD. Yes, and
then basically it's extremely painful. Itbreaks down the bones. If you've seen
my girl, SWEETP, SWEETP,that's what she had when she first came
to us. It is treatable,but it takes a long time. You
know, we've had SWEETP for aboutthree years now and she's only just like
(19:51):
ready to move into a bigger tankand have more freedom. And you know,
she's climbing again. She couldn't climbbefore because their bones are just they're
they're floppy. They get very floppy, they get very loose. And um,
it's also extremely painful whenever they move, So one way to avoid that
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is by getting UBB. And you'regonna want a T five ho Ubb food
lamp. Um, make sure you'regetting a a long other tubed lighting instead
of the bulbs. Any of theballs that they're selling the round bulbs,
that's just white light. It's notreally UBB. So don't skip out on
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the UBB because it affects everything.And yeah, well we'll talk more about
some of the more important things aswell, but you know, ubbs is
the big one, so we're gonnatake a quick break, and yeah,
we'll be right back with Hannah fromProject Polylogue and Tay from Tay's Exotic Clearness
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This is a part to to ourguide to frong Care. And again
I'm gonna I'm gonna flaunt my credentialshere for for a sec um, yeah,
just just because I can. Yeah. Um, I have been running
a frog rescue, yes I know, very specific just wrongs um for about
five years out um since twenty ifI do the math right, twenty eighteen
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is that five years? Is thatfour years? I don't know, um
for a long time. It's beena long time, um, And so
I've done a lot of um medicalcare, rehabilitation, all that fun stuff,
and so I think I have alittle bit of credit here. And
I wanted to make this purely becauseI get asked so many times to either
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give all the information I have orcertain questions frequent ask questions, over and
over again. And now I canjust send people to this two part series.
So it's gonna be very nice forme. So it's a little bit
of a selfish reason. But Ialso think it's a great topic. So
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yeah, yeah, and yeah,so my rescue is to use exotic critters.
I'm here with Hannah from Project polylogand let's keep talking. Yeah,
acquirements. So we had just beentalking about UVP and why it's so important.
Yeah, so I guess my nextquestion this kind of segues into it
too. So you shouldn't skip outon the lighting, which is important and
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prevents a bunch of diseases, bunchof bone lack of growth. Yeah,
I don't know the word that MBDbone insterioration. Yeah, either way,
not good. Yeah, not good. You don't want that to the froggies.
So I guess then, what aresome common misconceptions that are often thrown
around that people say are like,oh, yeah, this is fact,
but in reality it's not there.What are three? Let's let's go with
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three. I can do okay,UM Well, speaking off of um UBB,
one I hear a lot is thatthey don't need UBB. And it's
becoming more common now that people understandthat they need UBB. But when I
first started, that was a hugething. People didn't understand that UBB was
so important. And there were somany cases of MBD and I would see
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them everywhere, and you know,you would talk to these people and be
like, hey, do you havemb or do you have MOBB? Like
are you giving calcium? Like what'sgoing on with this? And they'd be
like, oh no, my friendjust like his tank is up against the
window, so he's fine. Andif you, if you know anything about
you would be an UVA race is. They can't go through glass. They
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cannot travel through gaunt glass. That'swhy you don't get you know, sunburns
when you're sitting inside. Oh god, so yeah, they don't. The
UVV is kind of what you know, gives you those those sunburns and so
or a tan um and so youknow, when we're inside, we don't
get it, even if it's supersuper sunny or you have like a super
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sunny skylight or anything like that,You're not gonna get burnt because I can't
travel through glass. So um.Some people, Yeah, they just put
their rogs up against um a windowand they think it's fine. But you
know, that's two panes of glassthat the UVBA has to travel through your
window and then the tank. Sothat's they're not getting anything. They're not
getting anything. Um. So that'swhy UVB is so important to have a
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direct UVUV lamp. UM. Sothat's one, but that's kind of that's
that's going away a little bit.Thank you Google. Yes, thank you
Google, Thank you guys, thankyou kay yes um. And then the
other one I think is that theycannot be handled. So I don't know
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for certain frogs that is true,um, more sensitive species like a red
eye tree frog, a glass frog, UM, like any of those super
super porous skin um type frogs,that is true. They should be handled
with gloves. But White's tree frogsspecifically are extremely hearty frogs. Um.
They literally I know I said this. The species is not the same as
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the wild ones. Really, they'vekind of evolved differently. But in the
wild they literally live in toilets andyou know, gross cow pastures and stuff
like that, like they're unless youhave really nasty hands, Um, you're
fine. Um, but you dohave to wash your hands very, very
long. All the way I doit is I get sentless soap. Um.
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Pretty much, any soap or detergentsyou're gonna use with them should be
sentless because fragrances and fragrance oils andstuff, Um, they they're gonna have
a problem with that. So thenyou're going to want to wash your hands.
I soap twice just to make sure. And if you've touched any chemicals
and you bleach anything like that throughoutthe day, just don't just don't handle
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them, you know, just tobe safe. But you can't handle them
for five to ten minutes without anyproblems. Thirty minutes max, um,
But I say anything over five toten minutes. You should have gloves.
And I like the food service gloves, the plastic ones because they typically don't
have powder or anything like that.But they can they can be held.
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Um, it's just you have tomake sure you're doing it the correct way.
Always keep your hands from moist,you know, you wash or if
you're keeping your hands moist, makesure it's de chlorinated water, fully dry
your hands for and after um,you know, you you take them out
and you take them in, um, and make sure to wash your hands
after too because they're stinky and theylay around in poop and pea and literally
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poop and pee on each other.So um, yeah, don't wash your
hands after Okay, So then thelast one, what would be the last
one? Um? Oh, thepeople are afraid of meal worms. I
don't understand this because you have alot of breeders who feed white street frogs
mikes, pinky nice stuff like that. One. Yes, really I think
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those were only like the little thelittle flat toad looking. You can't feed
them in packground frogs. But peoplethink, yeah they're flat times yet um,
they're just a mouth literally, umout of the Yeah, that's why
they're called pac man. You know, they're just a mouth. Um.
But yeah, so you can feedthem that. But and and again you
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know people are like, well,you know, in the wild they eat
snakes and they eat you know,words and rodents and things like that.
And do they really yes, ohyeah, they're known in Australia as snake
eating frogs because you'll often find them. Oh um, the white seriously,
oh my god. There you'll seepictures of them taking down snakes And how
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big can they grow? They getpretty big in the wild, probably about
the size of your hand. Um, the biggest one I've seen in captivity
was yeah, about the size oflike the average human hand. That's crazy,
Like there's other hands. Um,Mikey's have hands to hum. But
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yeah, they get pretty big,and they can eat um in the wild,
at least they can eat anything halfthe size of their body. So
there is this argument that people saythat they cannot digest meal worms properly.
Neo worms are these teeny tiny worms. Now, they do have a harder
shell around them, they say.You know, the um percentage, which
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is kitan is basically how hard theirtheir shell is, their exoskeleton is if
there's a lot of kiting and theexoskeleton, the harder it will be.
UM. But um, they havethe same kighting percentage as crickets, and
so really they're they're the same.Like. Oh, there's also a common
myth that they will chew through umstomachs and stuff like that, but that
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is again a myth. Um,I do chop the heads off of super
worms, just to be extra safebecause the whole sup I'm super parani.
Yeah, it's kind of gross.I'm super paranoid. So I do chop
the heads off of them because superwormsare big. Their their exo skeleton isn't
as hard, um, but theyare super big, and so I do
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I do chop the heads off.Sorry, if anyone's eating, I do.
I do chop the heads off,um, just to be safe.
But they can be perfectly digested.They're fine famal worms. They if you're
from is having problems digesting the muleworms, I would say it's more a
problem with your frog than the muleworms. Um. So that might be
something you want to get checked out. Um. But yeah, that's another
thing that I hear all the time, and I'm like, no, I
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like, I literally feed my frogs, love me worms. So yeah,
okay, so I guess then thisis a totally random question. But you
mentioned that frogs can't absorb chemicals throughtheir skin. They drink through their skin,
so then do they tea and poopthrough their skins? Also, excuse
my fer it's a good disco question. It's a good question because you know,
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if it goes in one way,how does it go where they so
they can kind of push the fluidsout of their skin, but really not
they're not gonna do that. Um, they have a butt. They have
a bug. Um that's really poopfrom but they also peel from there.
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And um, if you've ever beenpeed on by a frog, especially when
street found, you know what's likea freaking water jet. It is like
a water gun and they just shootit out and they'll do that for defense
as well. So like I havegotten pea in my eye before, Oh
my god. Like doing health checksand stuff. You just hold them up
and they're just like, I'm donewith this. I'm just gonna I'm just
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gonna pey on you. And thenthey'll just like pee on your face,
they'll pe on your clothes. Theydon't care, like when they're done with
you, they're done and they're like, I'm gonna pee on you and you're
gonna put me down. So thatis that that that's their big defense.
But they can have a boothole.They do have a boothole, and um,
the pea and cook come out ofthere, but their pea is pretty
much just water. Okay, yeah, I'm thinking like acid, Like,
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yeah, no, no, alot of this stuff comes out in the
poop and then they also retain water, so a lot of um, that
defensive pea is just gonna be waterum. But yeah, well we'll get
back to the pawtie talk after thisquick break and yeah we'll be right back.
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Project Polywog and tay Me from PaisyZonic Critter's Rescue, and we were doing
some potty talk. I gotta behonest, you're doing some potty talk about
frogs. So, Hannah, doyou want to stam a potty talk or
do you want to shift? Youknow, I think that I know everything
(34:42):
I need to know about that now, so that's good. I was curious
though, what Okay, so we'vetalked a lot about kind of what frogs
need, what kind of habitat theyneed, So now I kind of want
to move towards this next question,which is, how do you get a
frog? Where should you get themfrom? Where should you not get them?
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Okay? Right, And this isalso a little bit of luck because
I know that I'm getting from you. Yes, so well, no worrying,
also clug, no work. Yeah, So there are multiple different ways
that you can get a frog.Um, I will say, if you're
wanting a baby frog or something,like that going to a breeder is a
very good option. Josh's Frogs isthe biggest breeder that um, most people
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know of. When you when youlook at a frog or anything about frogs,
Josha's Frogs will typically come up.There's also Frogs Direct. Um,
there is Sticky Toes and Winces,which is actually where our leggy frogs are
from. Um. There's there's somany great breeders out there, um,
but there are also some you know, not so great breeders out there.
So look at their reviews, youknow, um, you know, just
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just do your research. You cantypically ask um someone on social media or
in a Facebook group, especially aFacebook group, where they get their frogs
from, and you know who theyrecommend who they don't. But um,
Josh's frogs are amazing. Um andthey ship and they ship yea, they
ship. It's overnight, so youdo have to pay express shipping, so
(36:15):
it will be expensive. Um.But you know, again you don't want
to you don't want to skim abouton you know, getting your frog um.
And so yeah you can do that. You can go to pet stores
again. UM, I'm not allowedto trash the pet stores, so I
won't say but sometimes they're not thebest. If you're going to like a
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local pet store, typically that's they'rea lot better. Um, So if
you're wanting to do a pet store, UM, do that just being wary.
You know, look at when you'rein there, look at the frogs.
Do they look healthy? Is thereset up mimicking something that you would
set up? Like just just youknow, be a critical thinking, you
know, figure it out and um, you know if you think if you
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think they're good, then hey getit like but um yeah, just be
careful with that. And then Iam I'm the only frog rescue that I
know of. I do know somefrogs sanctuaries, but they don't tend to
adopt out. They tend to takein frogs that need rehabilitation or older frogs,
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and um, they kind of keepthem there. They don't really adopt
them out. But you can't goto our website to his Exotic Critics Rescue
dot com, and we do havefour whites free frogs out for adoption right
now. They are absolutely adorable.They're all probably about six to seven months
old a year at most, andthey're all super sweet. So I highly
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recommend going and checking them out.And you can apply on there. We
do you know, you do needto apply, you do need to adopt,
and we do have an adoption feeon there. So um, and
again the shipping is expensive, butyou know that's just how that's how it
is. You know, you're justseeing we love FedEx, but you know
it's expensive. Yeah. And then, um, there are some places you
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do want to avoid. Um.I'm not gonna call on an you will
know, but I will say thatthere is one place that you do not
absolutely um by from and it issomething waters. That's all I'm gonna say
something waters reptiles. Really you tohear it. What is like I can't
(38:30):
trash talk too, but okay,Um, they're just not gonna they breed
and um sick frogs and then orreptiles in general they breed um sick animals.
And then they also import from captivity. So there's a lot of wild
caught um, which is again notgood. Yeah. So um, yeah,
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you'll figure it out. When yousearched up something, they will come
out. They're probably like the firstone. But yeah, that actually reminds
me. So I was talking toMark men Mendisa, I hope I'm saying
his name wrong market you're listening,I apologize, but he is the executive
director over at the Amphibian Foundation,and I was talking to him about the
kind of reptile expos and things likethat, and I heard that some of
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them are not ethical, but Ididn't know what that meant. By what
does what does he mean by notethical? So again, expos are if
he I really like exposum purely becauseyou know, you get to go with
your friends and you get to seelots of fun things and talk to fun
people. But some of the peoplethere are not breading with their best interest
(39:40):
in mind. UM. They're breedingfor money, UM. And you'll see
they're typically the people that have alot of sick animals and their prices are
very high. UM. So definitely, within the past couple years, I
have seen things get better, thoughI think there's a lot more people who
were extremely passionate for their animals andUM when the pandemic, and before the
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pandemic happened, you know, Iwould go there and I see a lot
of sick animals, and I wouldyou know, take a lot home for
rehabilitation and UM. After the pandemic, though the most recent expo I went
to was very very nice. Therewas only one booth there and we did
take um, well, there wasn'tone booth there. There was only one
booth that we saw problems with andwe did. Um have a frog handid
(40:30):
over to us, Libby our libbyfrog. She has a piece of her
lip missing. Um, which theywere trying to tell us is wrote nose
rob and it was not nose rum. But yeah, so so Xbox can
be a bit iffy. I completelyunderstand why Mark is kind of like,
you know, iffy about it,but um, they can't be really fun
then they can't be really great.Um. But yeah, yeah, I
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just want to say thank you somuch we're doing if we're agreeing to do
a two partner with me and helpingme out here having an amazing interview.
Um, is there anything that youwant to plug? Ye? Go,
I do want to plug something actually, so me and you or you and
I sorry my grammar? Yeah,I really shot my age here. And
(41:15):
now you and I are gonna beat conro in yes, ay right,
yes, we're gonna be at Conrowthe expo in June eleventh and twelve.
We're gonna be there, so go'llcome see us. We're gonna have some
frogs to look at, We're gonnahave some jewelry to sell, and it's
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gonna be really really fun. Um. You can also check me out at
Tasaxon at critters dot com. Againour Instagram UM is there to talk all
that fun stuff. And yeah,thanks for sitting through this everyone, and
we will see you, same time, same place next week. Bye y'all.
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