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Speaker 3 (01:32):
Hey, everybody welcome to play the Zee.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Please rise for this season's introduction. Fight through It Connecticut.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
Good job.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Hell, everybody welcome to play VISI. I' your co host.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Justin Boraz and I'm your co host Erica Kuhn.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
And today is Californiyeah.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
We should have sang though, Yeah, we should have memorized
the harmony.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, well I think it's like a California you're.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
With the wrong guy.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, I know, but you didn't call it's the Hills
of California. Well that was good.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
That's one of them. I had four harmony lines to
pick from.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't know any of them. Wait, the Hills of California,
The Hills of California. No, I'm just kind of going
up and up notes. Z will tell us, we'll tell us.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Just listen to this.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Back Manhattan Theater Company, and Jazz will let us.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Know for his afternoon Kappa, he's gonna Joe.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Can I say something you're not gonna want to hear? Yeah?
This was the audition. This was the audition.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, can I say something that you want to hear?
I would only audition for one of the children.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Do you have that actor's nightmare? Like you're not in
your like undies or anything weird and you're not like
on your first I have waiting tables nightmares, But the
idea that like you're at an audition and it's not
cold sides and you don't know what you're auditioning for.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, I was in that play.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
There's a play about that.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, because for deraying write a play called the Actor's Nightmare.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
No, I have heard that. I'm so sorry, guys. It's
eight in the morning early. My voice it's so poopy,
and I'm very sorry.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
Because I begged Erica Fresh to record early so I
could go to Broadway Fleet.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Which do you know what else is on the same
day as Broadway flee what we're recording this. You guys
aren't hearing this at this time. Shout out too, it's
my mom's birthday.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
Oh, I almost hit the wrong button because we have
a new setup.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
We'd have to restart. Wow, family Zoom coming up later.
Shout out my mom. Glad you got born. Glad I
got born.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Shout out too.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
But but yeah, I I're god A book it.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, I don't think I booked it. I don't think
I booked it at all.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Booked it.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You definitely popped off on that. You here's the thing.
You hit that harmony so fast.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
The thing about like my toxic trait is that I
can hold tune and I literally grew up playing music.
Like I love music and I love theater. Those two
things never linked up. Yeah, they never have five in
the middle. It's so weird.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
I mean that makes sense, Like I it makes sense
to an extent because I feel like you've always been
kind of a playgirl, like you've never really been.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
You've never really been.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
Like most people are opened up two musicals at an
early age, but you never really were.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
No one opened me, well, no one knows, no one
opened you.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
My parents were like taking me to like theater day camp.
It wasn't like we went and saw Wicked as a
family like that wasn't happening.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, well, most theater day camps do.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
This playgirl merch. But I don't know if you're ensued
by the hef nur estate sound really saucy and cool.
They're a playgirl, kind of a play girl.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
Yeah, I'm even playgirl, the opposite of playboy. Don't they
already own that? It's like for naked dudes.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, probably, Man, dude, we have to take down this
episode Califana. Anyway, if you want to listen to that song,
which we should talk more about that show because.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
We're going to your state.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Oh yeah, I spent like a probably twenty minute chunk
of this morning just seeing like if anybody had put
out a cast recording from any of the productions of Hills, California.
But Earth, that's what we're talking about again. If you're
starting on this episode, what's up, you sick freak? This
is play to Zy. We talk about things in alphabetical
order exactly. Season three. You're talking about states today, just

(05:34):
the time about California. But if you want to listen
to that song, those tight little harmonies that we're referencing.
The guy you're gonna want to look up on Spotify
or YouTube whatever you're feeling is Johnny Mercer. There's an
album on there called the Capitol Vaults Collection.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
And yeah, for my episode, I love it.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Well, we were like, you know, it's California, we should
talk about it's Johnny Mercer and the Pied Pipers, which
that's a greatnie. I love the old school. Liked to
do like Guy Lombardo and his Royal Canadians, like that's
that's my dream is to be for sure the first
part of a sentence like that. Yeah, Erica Coon and
there savage playgirls. I don't know for silly gooses.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Erica Coon and and are h oh.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Man Justin Borak and his bearded boys.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
And it's bearded boys, Erica Coon and her sweet silly
Sally's just it's his brothers Eric and are pretty playwrights.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Anyway, Yeah, Johnny Mercer, the Hills of California. It's not
as here's the thing, it's not as good as four
little girls tight harmonies.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
They those teens that are doing these harmonies in this player.
So we'll get to it.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
And selected child prodigy actors by just Worth. But again,
it'll scratch that itch if you're like, why are they
talking about harmonizing it eight in the morning on a Sunday.
Her mom's you'll.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Get it, you'll get it. Just listen, just listen. You'll
get it again. This show is the show's probably is.
By the time this episode comes out, we're really big
people like.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Closing is closing. I was like, it's literally probably their visas.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean, well yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the
entire cast, everybody, like, it's the whole I don't think
they took anyone new.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
It was like all I will say, I.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Didn't check the understudies, but I seriously doubt it.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
I think they brought everyone over.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
It's a true West Entrance said, yeah, god, there's so
many Western transfers. Cammy Fay is also a Western transfer.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
I'm into it, and I'm someone who, like I believe
you should always hire local, like what, I have big
feelings about that, right, but not about this.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
I heard rumors about the Western next and all might
be coming over.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
That's crazy. Yeah that happens. What are you going to do? Physically?
Probably sploded?

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Explode, cry oh cry splode I guess that's reasonable.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Cry, splode, Cry, He's.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Gonna explode his tears.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm gonna cry, and I'm gonna splode. I'm going to
cry again.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Cry explosions, explosions the morning. No, what time is it?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I know I'm looking. It's sick twenty two.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
You weren't awake yet. What are we calling it? Is
it an eagle cry or a screech?

Speaker 6 (08:06):
I think it's an It's a I think we should
call it a screech because that sounds better.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
But it's more like an eagle cry. Okay, oh gosh, okay,
you bap right? This doubted by notes six two radical.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
I think that if me and Justin were to form
a tight harmony, a cappella group, just me and him,
we did Green Day so stupid, it'd be just tight
Green Day harmonies.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I started six twenty two. Swear God, I hate my
life stupid.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
I will say it's early enough that I didn't I
didn't opt for bad being like this is. I'm just raw.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm having a little bit of coffee, but I won't
have like three steps.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I've had zero stimulants in me. There's a real chance
at the f the f becomes me.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
To becomes So this banterer is very chill because I
feel like it's eight in the morning.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
We're tired.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
What do you think our crossover is with people who
like ASMR?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Usually not pretty? Well, that sounded like I'm muppet.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Usually not prettyisode recording out of order? But whatever, one
hundred episode is just me and justin as like muppets
or puppets.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Actually, let's talk about the point that we just saw.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
I think people would eat that up.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Wait? What why do you sound better than me as
a muppet?

Speaker 4 (09:27):
I honestly might just because I can go higher than you.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Wait, do you.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
Actually I can see you as a muppet? And then
but I just sound like a guy trying to sound
like I'm up at I.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
I guess my vocal productions on ten?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's crazy, like you like when you talk? Do it again? Everyone? Wait? Wait, wait,
everyone close your eyes.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Wait, actually know why I'm good at it?

Speaker 6 (09:50):
Everyone close your eyes because I don't want you seeing
Erica right now. And I know this is an audio format,
but we're all going to close our eyes and Eric.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
My headshot you have on your because we.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Know that you put our headshots on whatever you listen
to the podcast.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Throw up something so I'm not you know, on your
desktop exactly.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Take it all down, close your eyes, and Eric's going
to do her Muppet voice, and I want you to
picture what her muppet will be.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Can you turn my headphones down?

Speaker 6 (10:16):
You know?

Speaker 4 (10:16):
I tell them that.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Good.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's a real thing that happens. I think, justin no, no, no,
I'm fine right now. It's just I think I think
you're hearing's damaged. But I don't know from what. Yeah,
probably a TV stuff or whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Other than a tving my whole life, just like for
the last couple of years of my parents.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
That's not as long as I've been podcasting.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I think my whole family listens to TV.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Loud okay pause. I do think the reason I was
kind of popping oh yeah voice is because I don't
I had no idea this to come up. There is
a TikTok creator. I do not know this person's name.
I feel like they're New York City City base because
that just has a vibe.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Oh yeah, they're a good friend of mine.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Shut the the screech up shut. Do you know the
TikTok person they're doing missus Piggy or miss Piggy. He
has like a really mean like Bushwick barista. Do you
know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
No, they're like, oh I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, they'll do like they're doing like really really vile
miss Piggy impressions, but they're really good.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, I really eat those up, man.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
And I feel like that's actually where this is coming
from when I want to give credit where its to
except they cannot think of this person's name.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
That's okay, Okay, that's impressive.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Maybe we'll target it.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
We'll tag it in the They were actually think we
probably won't, but I will.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I will try editing justin we hit the music.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
We skipped the whole episode.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, anyway, what did you want to talk about?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
California?

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (11:44):
Good, all right, I'm going to start this episode the
way I start every episode by doing my Wikipedia paragraph. Okay, okay, California, California,
CALIFORNI yeah, yeah, yeah, wait.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Will you say California? But riff on it, like, and
here's the thing, this is the auditions. It depends on
It's all writing.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
On this carliphone.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah, wow, book, Yeah, I hit the wrong button.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
I was going to give it to you this was
all like a mental on you're out. Hey, thank you,
thank bye, thank you. You know we're going to need Yeah,
we'll keep your head shot and throw it in the track.
Unstaple it big. Look, I throw both behind me over
my shoulders. Yeah, we'll file that away.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
You do it right before you do it while I'm
looking at it.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I do it? Really a curse? I did it?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Really cursed me, mean girl casting director impression. Yeah, that's
actually funnier.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
There's like a devil behind it.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
You's go like an SNL devil, like someone playing a
devil on SNL.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
There is nothing I told you about this. There's nothing
like auditioning for the same person over and over again
who like hates really one time I was auditioning for
this one company, like legit, just for the rush of it,
just to keep myself, you know, on that edge, because
they're never were going to work with me.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
But I really wanted to shout him out. What company
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Gonna shout not going to shout him out ever, A
great company not interested in me?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
You know what, That's fine how it happens.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
There's like my goal with this, with this company is
actually just to make the the person who is casting
look at me, and I auditioned for them like several
years on her own. So year one I didn't get
looked at once. And you think a lot of people
tail between the legs. No, no, I'll wait a year.
I'll be back. I come back the next year. This
person looks up at me, looks back down. I'm like,
you know what, huge improvement. I'm getting better kind of

(13:57):
capital a acting right now? Come back or year. Looks
up from the top. I'm like, boom, we got it.
We got it, baby, we landed. She looks away. I
fall to my knees. I follow my knees, and you know,
as a director, like whenever anyone falls to the knees
in the theater, you watched it go because I'm like,
don't do that, don't heart your knees. There's a better
ways to do that. It was involuntary. I wasn't falling

(14:20):
to my niece because of the monologue. It is because
I really had an emotional journey. But because I she
give me like this, I don't know, adrenal on her cortisol,
I like started going really him. She looked right back
up the pandemic happened. But I think that's part of
where the casting, the cast director impression, like that's where

(14:42):
it's rooted.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
In me is yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
The feeling, the feeling of desperation falling to your knees.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Yeah, not a choice, but an impulse one time. I
I feel like I've been like pretty lucky at auditions.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Sorry, I took this right back to no, I'm going
to go. I'm gonna go. No. I want to go
into it too, because I was like, oh is she what? Theater?
Oh I was auditioning all shot him out. I don't care.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
I I auditioned. I was like seventeen because I shouldn't
have done it.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
It's all me for Rock of Ages on Norwegian cruise lines.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Oh okay, that's that's screeching insane.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
It was one of the first.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
It was one of the It was one of the
I was in New York doing stand up yeah, and
I had like a morning free and I thought, like,
I want to be an actor. I've acted sometimes, I
act in high school. I can do that, So I'm
gonna go to a fancy audition. I'm like, I'm the
I'm a young buck.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I'll be able to get in there and be funny.
I didn't know what anything meant. I went to shop.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Yeah, straight to the Norwegian cruise line. I went to
an I went to an ECC dancer call Perfect.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Perfect was your head shot cut down?

Speaker 6 (15:44):
The size didn't have a head shot. Perfect didn't have
a resume. What you say when they said they needed
a headshot resume. I went to the local staples and
I printed one out on printer paper, like normal paper,
black and white.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Here's the thing, Stranger things have happened.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, so I've all exactly go.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Across the one of the local staples.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
So I wasn't worried at all. I know music. I
sang a capella, but I went in I danced. I
was so bad.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
I was the worst. I was the worst dancer by
far they've ever seen. And that's not an exaggeration. I'm
not a good dancer now.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
I just my palms just got so sweaty here and
you just tell this story.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I was such a bad dancer.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
And it didn't hit me that I shouldn't be there
until the middle of the dancer call, right because everyone
was being there like kind of fake nice selves. So
they were like cheering me on kind of They're like, oh,
this guy, like he's like trying.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
And it felt cool. It almost felt like I was
like in a class.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
But then halfway through the Dancer Call, I started hearing
people talking about me.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Oh and I seventeen year old boy.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
A seventeen year old boy there, and they were like
what is he doing here?

Speaker 6 (16:39):
And I was like, oh, shoot, I really shouldn't be here,
but I couldn't leave.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I was halfway through.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Here's the thing. You're six too. Your hair was probably
gray back then, even.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, little gray.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
It probably did not occur to me.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I was seventeen, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
So I so I finished the Dancer Call. I literally
almost trip a lady. I ruined her day, for sure,
I do that. But there weren't on the dudes in
my call, so they kept me, which I felt so
bad about. But I think they literally because there were
a cuisine, they had like a certain amount of like
dudes and girls they.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Had to keep.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Yeah, So like when they they literally had us all
stand in the line and they were like, you're good,
you can go.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
You're good, you can go, You're good, you can go.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
And the guy got to me was like, just stay
for a second. Everybody else got you're good, you can go.
You're good, you can go, And I got an eye
roll and and it's a.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Curis line, so it's like, you know, you have the
same enseum as the guy he got a better gig.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Yeah, he was like, just just stay for a second and.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Hang back, hang back a beat.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Take back feet And it was like I knew he
didn't want me there, and I knew he was like
a media quota or like I have to keep you
around or.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Something like that.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Maybe like they saw me for like that young German
kid in Rocket Ages, but like like Fronds or whatever.
But like he was like, okay, everyone step out. We're
gonna have you sing something really quick. And I everyone
steps out.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I think, oh, this is a callbacks work. I must
have killed that dance hall. I didn't.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
I get up and I started to singing something from
uh Fun. I mean, our our roommate sings it too,
but I started.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
This from Maroon five. I fully forget the song. I
was saying. They were like, did your music? I was like,
I don't have any cheat music. They're like, oh okay.
I was like I can sing acappella.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
I go back to stables and then they were also
something up for you.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
They were like they were like singing, singing something a cappella. God,
what song was it?

Speaker 6 (18:32):
I sang something I got literally, I'm not kidding one
note out one. I literally was like, I'm just gonna
make I'm just gonna make up a song. But this
is what it sounded like. Yeah, ready, you're you're the
casting doctor. Okay, oh yeah, I'll do payphone. It wasn't
pay phone, but I'll do payphone after that. Yeah, but
we all know it, but no one loves it here ready.
So it was like, I'm mad up.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Thank you, thank you so much. Wow, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
I remember exactly what it was he said. He said,
thank you, wow, beautiful pipe, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I believe that much
like Christopher durang Right has his actors's nightmare, Yeah, I
believe that inside of us is our own version of that.
And we know what it would be titled. Yours would
be that mine to be titled even happy birthday will do?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Birthday will do with me? Even happy will do.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
I used to have this running bit with some of
my friends that you know how it's like, oh, if
you're gonna sing bring into contrasting songs.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I would always joke that I was gonna sing Happy
Birthday acappella and then pelic alsoa I was gonna sing
Happy Birthday once and then like take it.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Up the octave, take it up. Yeah, yeah huge.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
But the look in someone's eye where they're like, Okay,
we didn't maybe ask this. It's not that I was
a lot of times they don't ask you to bring
something in. They're just kind of interested, or like maybe
I'll think about a different project that's happened and you're
standing there and like again, you guys don't maybe know me,
maybe you follow me or whatever. Like I love really
difficult acting things.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
I rock out a rough track. It's my jam the
minut I am asked to sing, all training, all respect
leaves my body. I can sing like in front of Justin.
It's better if he doesn't look at me.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
You know, you've heard you make me turn around.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
You've heard me have pipes. Oh yeah, when I'm not
being perceived pipes.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
And so when someone looks at you and they see
that fear in your eye and they go oh even
happy birthday?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Will do you even have a birthday? Will do?

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Is that was my origin story?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah? I I that does have the same energy.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
As ooh d more than that.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thank you great pipes, Thank you, great pipes. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
And he did I know, I know this is a
podcast you guys can't see, but I remember exactly what
the guy did. He said, thank you, put his hand
up to stop me, said wow, great pipes, and kind
of shook his head at me, and then he took
his hand to the side horizontal and he went like
this to the door, like he flicked me out. He
was like, he was like, he's like, oh, wow, thank
you great pipes. Bye, thank you.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
You can go, you can go. Yeah. Oh And then
you know what he did, No, he didn't.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
This is a different audition. I had a bad audition
once in the hand in me back my headshot.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Oh that was Rath.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
That's brutal.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
I I for the story's sake, I would like to
think that this guy was like, wow, thank you so
much and handed me my headshot.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
But it was a different audition.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
I remember because I sometimes when I would go do
stand up in New York, like I did stand up,
like from fifteen to seventeen in New York, and like,
what would.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
You stand up? I would just like randomly audition for
stuff for like no reason.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
I know this. But my friend Justin Borak shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Live, Oh I should be dad.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, but I like he's missing that self preservation gene
that some of us are so fond of.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I went to something like I went to like one
audition for adults.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
So I was like, sixteen perfect, No, you didn't make
any sense the hand I sang my song to.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Gray Hair Beard's coming in Hot.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
Yeah, I looked like a kid. I never had my
I shaved every day. I like, I I truly.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Think that pre like twenty six, when your frontal lobe cooks.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I genuinely think.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
You might get any part.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
I don't think type. I don't think typing like locks. No,
until until you're off your parents' insurance.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
At that point, you're like, wait a minute, casting his
rash and I can be an adult. But yeah, there's
something about it.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I could play the dad and sound of music.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
I missed that part of my brain.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I could play the dad, and I miss her.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
She was not. She was not deterred anyway. Yeah. California.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, California. Those are our awful casting stories.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, okay, California, California, California.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
It's a state in the Western United States, lying on
the American Pacific Coast.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
It borders Oregon.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Is it Oregon, Oregon or Oregon organ right, Yeah, borders
Oregon to the north.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Here's another one.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Is it Nevada or it's Nevada. So it's Nevada, And
it's a way that people from Nevada clock, like if
you're from there or not Nevada, people who say Nevada.
And I think there are some like towns and cities
in different parts of the US that are pronounced Nevada
or Nevada, Like there's one in Iowa, but it's Nevada.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Can I say something? And I know you're kind of
like have a connection to Nevada.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
I was born there.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, it's on my birth certificate.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
And I know, like you have like strong feelings about stuff, right.
I don't think you guys are right, because I do
think I do think Nevada is more fun to.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Say if you want to say it that way, you
can really Yeah, just be it's just a way that
like like if you were acting in a play and
you said it that way, it'd be a tell. It'd
be like dothing. It'd be like hard dothing.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
Yeah, I wouldn't do that because a Nevada in Nevada
in my mom.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Here's the thing on my mother's birthday, on my.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
Mother's shout out local Nevada in Zucune.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
She shivered, she shivered, she broke, She's broken. No, but
Nevada's so much more fun to say than Nevada Nevada.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I mean, I'm no expert. I feel like I'm telling
amount of my life in Nevada.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I feel like I'm no. I know, I know, I
know I'm wrong. I feel like I'm telling us.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
I feel like I'm like doing a spell that Hermione
doesn't care about.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Oh yeah, it's I mean, it's Ava Nevada.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, Evada, Nevada. What does that spell do just the
state of Nevada, to the whole state of Nevada.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
It allows the lottery back in Havada, cross the California
Bordervada Nevada.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Uh, it gives you one.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Scratcher Nevada, and yeah, you win one scratch off.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
You get one scratch off.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah, but you win less than it.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Costs Havada, Nevada spell.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Okay, sorry, I'll keep going.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Tell me Okays California.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, I've been to l A a bit. Okay, but like
nowhere else.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Really that's I guess the coolest thing that you could
have said.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
So, yeah, I've been in LA a little bit, A
little bit. Yeah, I've been to LA for work.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
I find out like next year, You're like, I lived
there for six years.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
I've been there for a work.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
I have an ex wife in LA. But wife, And
here's the thing, my kids in l A are crazy.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
May well my child, I say.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
My son David.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
If you have a son named David this whole time,
that woulds me.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
What's the worst name for a kid? We could have?
We could have no, no, no, like you could have
or I could have that like we just casually drop.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
So I feel like we're gonna have like if you
ever have a kid, it's gonna have a cool name.
But I feel like if I had a kid and
and his name was David, you'd be like, are you
tired that day?

Speaker 3 (25:01):
No offense to anyone named David. I feel like how
dare Matt Fry texted me.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
He's.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Our co remember Matt Fry.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
I didn't know what the ESPN notifications sounded. Like, here's
the thing. You should screech out his full name.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
No, I'm gonna keep it in.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
We said, we've said Matt's name before on the podcast.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Them his always make that sound in class, and so
I always thought that's what his because he android is
an android.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's like his text.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I thought that was his text tone. And so sometimes
he'd like get up quite urgently, and I think, I
hope everything's okay. You're also far away from our families
for school, Like sometimes it's fun. I also checked my
phone in class. Look, I've done it.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, after I graduated.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
That's what ESPN sound like.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I love it. I love that. It's so funny. It's
like the guys he's going to Seahawks.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Completely unintentional too, but like that's the one, like the
one of the funniest unintentional long game bits that played
out of grad school, Like that's so good.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
You're finding out in my apartment when I went off.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Once for me and the end of the usual suspects
of the guys, like well, you're out of the room
and he's like, wait a day isn't here?

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Wait what No, just like something happened with the Cavaliers.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Can you spent three years with the game eight people?
You learn like their tells right, like who touches their
face a certain way when they're nervous or when they
seem really stressed out? And I was like, God, you
know sometime he must be going through something that I
can't even fathom.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
So funny.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
Yeah, the Seahawks lost this Ox traded in an offensive lineman.
Do you want to jump to California?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Jump to Calornia.

Speaker 6 (26:36):
California standing in the western United States, lying on the
American Pacific Coast. It borders Oregon to the north, Nevada
and Arizona to the east, and the international border within
Mexico state of Baja California.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
To the south.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
With nearly thirty nine million residents across the area of
one hundred and sixty three thousand, six and ninety six
sixty nine nice square miles, it's the most populous United
States or it's the most populous US date, the third
largest by area and most populated sub national entity in
North America.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Alaska, Texas, California, the Big Boys.

Speaker 6 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's Alaska, Texas, California.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Fact.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
I can't believe that this is the most for some
reason I had New York has always been. But I
think it's New York's the most populated city, like New
York City.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, outside of the city, it gets real sparse, yeaeah.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
But yeah, California is the most populated state. Let's get
into my favorite part of the of the episode. I
am yeah, yeah, fun facts. I'm gonna say California state
blank and Erica is gonna guess what it is? God, Okay,
are you ready?

Speaker 3 (27:40):
You know this one? California state Flower.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I know this one.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
You know this one. We've talked about it before.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
We've talked about the California State Flower before.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about it like a couple
of days ago. Yes, we did. I swear to God,
I feel you're lying. Do you want to give it
to you?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why are you lying?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I'm not lying? Why are you lying?

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
What's that from?

Speaker 4 (28:07):
We used to do used another bit in grad school
where I don't know how many people are in on it.
I think we tried to rope in more people. It
wasn't as fun.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
It wasn't fun.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Someone will just like kind of be talking, say something
really normal, and I.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Look at them, why are you lying?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
And it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
You'd say you'd mouthed it from a crossing. We say say,
you'd mouth are you lying? And they'd be like what
you say, why are you lying? And you'd like turn
your head to the.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Side, like yeah, like you're like you're catching them. It's
absolutely not happen.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
That's so funny, such a weird thing to do.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
I'm not lying.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
I did it for two and a half years.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
California state flower.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Is it a rose?

Speaker 6 (28:40):
No, it's a California poppy. Remember a big conversation the
other day about the California poppy. Dude, how I forget Okay,
California state nickname? You do know this one?

Speaker 4 (28:49):
The nickname?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, the Golden State. Nice, that is correct.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, it's the gold rash gold and a great bridge.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Now, this one we talked about last week on the pod.
California State Dance.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
The State Dance California.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
We talked about it so recently.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah, this should be should be really fresh for me.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
We just had a big conversation about it over dinner.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
State.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I took you out to dinner. We talked about it
for like a couple hours.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Dude, I'm forgetting. I forgot about our preparatory dinner.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
It's the West Coast swing, big dinner that we had,
the big West that we had.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
And you made a power point. I think on that one.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
Two more ready California State mammal. Now we we have
one of these as a pet a bear.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
No, it's a it's a gray whale.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
No it's not.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Are you serious, Alfred State Mammals, the grey whale.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
That through me?

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah. And then the final one, California State.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Motto, Eureka.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Whoa.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
That was good. That's impressive. I didn't expect.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
I didn't a fact and non fact finding mission. For
a little segment at the end of the episode, I
had a grandmother who couldn't pronounce my name, and so
she called me.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Eureka instead of Erica. Yeah, wait, is that your name?

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah, my name is Kyle.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Give me Should we talk about theater?

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Tell me about it?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Let's talk about theater.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
So first thing I want to do is I want
to talk about three plays all set in California, or
having to do with California in some way. They are
cool plays, some that we thought we're gonna go quick foom.
I just want to shout out these three plays that
I love very much, and all of them are very
important right now. I think the first one we're going
to talk about is jonah Ark in the Supermarket in California. Yeah,
I mean forget, we literally have done a full episode

(30:26):
on it. But Frances Odyssey is down California's freeway in
search of a supermarket where she once received a prophecy.
As a supermarket waits for her, it's teen girls employees
are are surveyed, Francis Inch is closer, California burns, and
the supermarket transforms monstrously an epic day dream that explores intuition, paranoia,
and possession. Now Chloe ex Tina, Well, I have to.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Shout Liz out, Shout out Liz.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Liz is the person who has I feel like, uh,
become friends with Chloe and has gotten a lot. This
is the whole reason why I got to even read
the play.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Episode.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah, and if you want to hear more about this
episode and more about Chloe and Chloe's awesome website.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Groll up a little bit, go to the next episode.
But such a sick website.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
Very good, it's sad thing you can't read this play
right now, hopefully, yeah, hopefully for good reasons. It's on NPX.
The it's it's on NPX, but you can't.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Download it anymore.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
I literally think that, Like Liz made a video on
TikTok about it when you could, and within like a
couple days before making the video, it got taken off.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Honest to god, I worry sometimes on our podcast that
we've done that that it's like a fluke or an accident.
Maybe they were trying to be chill about it and we're.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Like, wow, this is so cool spot Yeah yeah, yeah,
I mean, but here's the thing, Like we are doing
anything wrong by bringing that up or anything. Yeah, here's
the thing, Like that's the whole reason why it's up there.
Like I would like to think that people take it
down because something from our content or something good is
happening in their life and they're like, oh cool, I
have to do that, Like that's what I did with
Community Garden Comedy Garden on my new play change for

(32:01):
like a little bit, and then people could buy it. Yeah,
and then I and I took it off, but big sip,
but so Joan of Arc at a supermarket in California.
This wonderful, weird day dream of a play. It looks
at all of these like teenage girls kind of working
in this grocery store kind of in this like uh

(32:22):
like uncanny valley, like like limbo space.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
What's the thing?

Speaker 6 (32:26):
I love the back rooms like kind of like weird
where like it feels very liminal space and like they're
trying to like figure out like how to just like
live day to day when this like new girl or
when not this new girl, those girl who used to
work there comes back to try to like fulfill something
within our right.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's really really wonderful. It's very very funny.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Uh, if you've heard of it, you most likely have
heard of it either from Land or from the really
big off Broadway production of it last year. Uh, it
was with the Tank, which we both have. Yeah, it
was cool. So they did a reading of it at
the Tank in twenty twenty two, and then the Tank

(33:10):
it got put into the Tank's mainstage season, but instead
of doing it at the theater, they did it at
Ease Wholesome Foods in Brooklyn, which is an actual like Odega.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Grocery photos six so crazy, a.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
Legit grocery store in Brooklyn that every night they would
shut down and do the show in and like it
was impossible.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
To get tickets. It was absolutely impossible. It sold out
super super well. Chloe's like killing it now, like she
I think cloth's working like film and stuff. Like if
you like follow Chloe on Instagram, I'll put her stuff
in the spot. But uh, but yeah, go listen to
the XT episode if you want to hear more about
Chloe in this play.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
But I just wanted to shout it out because it's
so so good. Also, she wrote it during her final
playwriting course at UCLA, which is the program was held
by someone named Sylvia and Oswald I'll talk about them later,
which I thought was kind of I think a cool
thing about doing states and stuff is I'm finding these
like a little minor cans to like things.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Which is cool.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
Uh but yeah, go you can't read it right now,
so I'm sorry, but you can read. I think other Chloes.
Other stuff of Chlothes is on MPX set you can download.
Maybe I think some of the some of the shorter
stuff is on there and dude, fingers, I do not
know anything, so don't think this is me given a
little thing, but like, hopefully it's off NPX for a

(34:22):
good reason.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Hopefully it's like in the galleys or as Also, now.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
That she's working in film, I also am very intrigued
to see, like if there's any crossover of her content,
if anything's to like show up in the future but
in a different medium, Like.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
If you're able to read this, I'm not gonna like obviously,
like yeah, like you're not gonna be able to read
this play right now, but like if you have been.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Able to read jonav arc dude, tell me it wouldn't
be a sick A twenty four movie. Yeah, it'd be
so good. It's cool.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
I love the way she like describes it too, Like
in the settings, it goes like a small supermarket off
the side of a highway bumf, cowtown, California, summer of scorches,
a summer where things are about to burn, hot, hot air,
smoky winds. And then right underneath it goes a real
supermarket and then it says no, really, it's telling you,
like I don't know, it's very cool. And then there's

(35:07):
a bunch of different setting. The bottom of it goes
so stage this in an actual supermarket, like it just
says it over and over and over again. Yeah, it's
also horror and it's cool. I don't know it's fun,
but I wanted to talk about that for a second.
The next thing I want to talk about is not
set in California, but it's something that Eric and I
both saw and I think it's it's fun to talk

(35:27):
about the.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Hills of California by Jez Butterer The Hills Coach introduction.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Yeah, main things by our introduction may things you've heard
of us Set in nineteen seventy six. Nineteen seventy six
is Blackpool. The Hills of California takes place in the
driest summer in two hundred years, with beaches and hotels
pactic capacity, far from the tourist thoroughfarees. The websisters cram
into the guest house of their former home as their
mother lies dying. So yeah, it's a new play by

(35:53):
Jez Butterworth. It premiered on the West End I think
last year, and it's transferred maybe even earlier this year,
and it transferred over here. It follows Jill Joan Ruby Gloria,
all of these these four sisters kind of coming back
to their home, whether being in each other's lives or
not being in each other's lives after about twenty years

(36:15):
of kind of growing up, and you get to see
the back and forth of them as teenagers and what
caused them to grow up the way they did, and
then the outcome of like where they be who they became.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's so good. It's just so good.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
Jez butterworth Is writes, an amazing, amazing family drama. There's
monologue's galore in here. It's a show that like really
shows up, like the whole thing is. So they call
themselves the Web Sisters because as like teenagers, their mom
was trying to get them to kind of be this
and they liked it. Like their mom was trying to
like be their manager for this like doop girl singing group.

(36:55):
I guess that when we do op I'm trying to
think of like what that would be called, but like.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Yeah, like the styles of like the late.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Forties, Yeah, yeah exactly, But.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
What's their example they used the Andrew Sisters.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but uh but yeah, like I mean,
it's just so fun.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
It's like currently or it.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
Just closed on Broadway, but like it was so so good. Yeah,
what were your thoughts on that?

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I don't remember if I said this to my mom
or to you or on the podcast already. Yeah, but
like my way to get people to kind of understand
the vibe is it's like if dairy Girls in august
Osage County did a little mash.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I know you said it to me. I don't know
if you said it on this, but that's a great way.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
But it sprinkled the Alice Birch strain of like mother
daughter relationships on top of Yeah, and it's not to
say that it's not completely jazz butterworth, but just like
if you're someone who's like, oh, I haven't read jazz,
it's like, hey, that might get you into this specific one. Yeah,
this one's like for the girls. Yeah, it's very very good.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
It's also very different from what, like the only other
jazz player I've read is Jerusalem. And when I reread
Jerusalem after seeing this, because I wanted to like give
it like a reread and be like, oh, I wonder,
how does.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
This make me feel?

Speaker 6 (38:02):
And while it's super different, at Lea's very cool that
he's so good at writing and these like large cast
plays that feels like everyone has a thing, everyone like
has a reason to be on stage, you.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Know what I mean. Like, and maybe this is the
hot take, maybe people will understand there are some playwrights
where like I can read it and imagine it, but
producing it is hard. We're reading it is hard, but
producing it is easy. Yeah, Like the gap between imagination
I don't understand for some reason, Like I think that
I really need to see his plays played out. Yeah,
because there is so much detail in richness of character

(38:32):
that when you're just holding like that text in your head.
Like one of my hacks if you're new to reading
plays and you're struggling, I got my mom into this
is like cast the play in your head, yeah, before
you start and do anything you got and maybe you
know the actress, maybe for a bug you're like, oh
sick Michael Shannon or whatever. But if you cast in
your head, especially with these really long, like gritty family dramas,
I find that that helps me like kind of hold

(38:54):
the context better and feel that slow burn. Yeah, where
some plays are just simpler and it's easier to do that.
So I truly think if I sat down and I
read this play. I don't think I would understand how
good it was. And maybe that's not, you know, an
original thought, because obviously the intended medium misperformance. But I
love this place so much and I was so relieved
I saw it before I read it, and I don't
always feel that way.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Yeah, I'm kind of sad. I like kind of skimmed
it before I went Yeah, but I'm not.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Like sad about that. I think it reads really Have
you read it yet? No? Okay, I think it reads
really well, and it's.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Interesting California and Job. I was like, oh awesome, my
roommate has his plan at home, so I can. I
did see it and then go read it, and I
was take it apart.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
I think I just get to like Antsy. It's like
both those plays, I like read a portion of them.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
You should, I should. I let people in a little secret.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
About you the movies.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yeah, and yes, it goes to the movie.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Everyone's up the end.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
I read it. I read it in real time. Yeah,
as he goes, I turned my brightness all the way down. Yeah,
and I hold my phone really close to my chest.
So I don't think it. I don't think him good
it's fine, miniator. If that annoys somebody, then like, I'm sorry.
It's the only way I can watch horror movies.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
But I love it. I love it so much.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
It's crazy because you love that. I thought it was
a bit.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
I was like, oh yeah, I hold it really close,
no literally, I go to Wikipedia.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I hit the Wikipedia synopsis.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
I turned my brightness all the way down, I hold
it close to my chest and I just read the
next scene.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
I just think that part of your brain is the
same part of your brain that buys the play before
you see it. Yes, to kind of skim it.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Here's I mean, here's the other thing. It's the same
part of my brain that like the It could be
the best play in the world. If you shoot a
gun on stage and I don't. I'm not prepared for it.
It's the worst play I've ever seen. It takes me
right out of it. And I will talk mad, trash
about your play. I will be mad that I went
to see it, so mad, like you know, the perfect

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show that used a gun, The perfect perfect show that
used a gun. Oh yeah, A girl from the Girl
from the nor North Country. They like when they were
on Broadway. They take it out and they like show
it to you in this like really beautiful dance moment
at the beginning of the show. So I'm like, oh,
I know it's some point they're gonna shoot a gun.
And then when the gun finally gets shot, like the

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girl the lady comes in and like cocks it pointed down,
so you're like, there's the gun, and then she immediately
shoots it. There's none of the like holding somebody up,
there's none of the like tension.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Is she gonna shoot it? She shoots it.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Yeah, And I knew it. I knew there was a
gun on the show. I knew it came out and
I knew it was getting shot. And I know that's
like a big thing to ask. And I know I've
written a play where there's a gun on stage, but
it I don't know. It throws me off.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I get really stressed. It's for me. It's not the
same thing, but it's a similar sentiment to like when
you're watching a film or a movie or whatever and
they're driving in the car and I'm like, oh, I
guess the point of this movie is about the car
crash that's about to happen. Yeah, Because actors always look
at each other way too damn long when they're driving,
oh yeah, and then they survive and I'm like, oh, okay,
so this isn't a car crash movie. Then they get
back in the car and I'm like, this is a
car crash movie.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
I think I was like really scarred by Find Your
Voice with Hillary Duff.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, with Hillary Doffs.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
So spoiler alert, you guys have like twenty years dude.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
I that's why, and that's why I read, and that's
why I read the synopsis of a movie while I
watch it.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Find Your Yeah, all right, it's good. I tried to
do it Muppets and I couldn't find the slip.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Here's the thing you got it hit my brake. Okay,
the last way I want to talk about I'm not
going to hit super hard. But that's Holy California. That's
also that's gonna be closed on Broadway by the time
you hear this episode, but the play is already available.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Hopefully they record it and do a proachout because the
Broadway production is brilliant. It's so good.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
I'm sure I would honestly personally love it. If the
Western production got recorded, then we get to see that
because I'd love to see if there are any differences.
But but yeah, anyway, last play I want to talk
about will also come up later, And this is something
that I'm not going to talk a ton about because
it's going to open on Broadway this season and I
believe you all will still have time to see it.

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I know a lot of you won't be able to,
but I don't want to spoil it. It's called Eureka
Day by Jonathan Spector, a wildly relevant and biting, funny
Jonathan Spector's play comes to MTC and an all new
production following in acclaimed London run, so it ran out
the West End after running in California at a theater
that we're gonna talk about later on. Eureka Day is
a private Clfornia elementary school with a board of directors

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that values inclusion above all else. That is until an
outbreak of the mumps forces everyone in the community to
reconsider the school's liberal vaccine policy. As case as cases rise,
the board realizes with horror that they've got to do
what they The board realizes with horror that they've got
to do what they swore they would never do. Make
a choice that won't please absolutely everybody. It's very funny.

(43:25):
I have the script right here. Also, I brought my
house at California and your Reikiday script. It's so long,
it's a thick script, but it's it's so funny. It's
like very very it's it's it's god, it's so like
I feel like sometimes now playwrights can write something that's
like liberal, but in like a making fun of kind

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of like like overly liberal people way like I don't
want to shout out any like shows like for being bad.
But there have been like plays that have felt to
me like pandering to like the left in like like
like like pandering to like the normal theater goer, like
to kind of like crack a little joke at yourself,
but he doesn't feel like real.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
This play is.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
So satire, but it still feels so real. And every
choice that the people make in this play, when they
make choices, feels very much feels very much like a
choice that I'm like that would be really really hard,
like I don't know what to I don't know, like
you know, like every day being like trying to be
an ethical person, I feel like there's a dilemma.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Constantly, like James Imes rocks that up. Yeah, Jeans Simes
is a great job.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Every one of his plays is a different one of those.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
And John Inspector does it like a thousand times on
us play like for like the like, and I think
he uses like the like California Elite kind of as
like the like satire ground to like really make it
feel bigger, but like they really are just hitting so
much like how do we not how do we please
everybody in a time where we literally cannot please everybody? Yeah, yeah,

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it's very funny. The cast is so good, I'm gonna
I think they're on this page that I'm on.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Let me see.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
The cast is right the like it is Thomas and
it's Thomas Middle Ditch just a hack to Amber Gray,
Bill Irwin. It's like, it's very very crazy. It's a
crazy cast and A. D. Shapiro's directing. It's it's just
it's it's gonna be really really fun. And also I
feel like plays on Broadway, no matter how good they are,
they are relatively like financially easy to see for Broadway standards. Yeah, yeah,

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Like I mean I'm so surprised if you go on
TDF right now, Hills A, California is already on there.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I'm like, that's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
Yeah, So if you're in New York for let me
see when it's running. I think it runs from uh
it opens on November twenty fifth, so it'll definitely be open.
I think it runs like sixteen weeks. So yeah, like
come see it if you're here towards the end of
twenty twenty four early twenty twenty five, if you're coming
for the holiday season. Your Kid is a very fun,
funny play that like we don't get a lot of
these on Broadway. Yeah, we had a couple like I

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know that we're like, which we're like all of the
cool Broadway plays like art.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Talk about that also in the next episode, like top
opener about like how are we picking the plays that
we see at a place where there's never there's always
an abundance of things to go see.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, let's talk about that in the
next episode. That's smart.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
But yeah, those are the three plays that I wanted
to talk about. Now, there's so many. Okay, California has
such good theater.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Yeah, it's a banger.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
It's a banger. It's huge.

Speaker 6 (46:19):
So, like I didn't want to like just go through
Like I feel like I've been deep diving on theaters,
which has been like cool, but there's just so many.
I just wanted to talk about all the big theaters
and like one cool.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Thing about them. I thought that would be kind of fun.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
So so yeah, like I'm just gonna kind of do that.
I hits, Yeah, hit the hits because a lot of
these you guys have already heard of, yeah, like but
a lot of them do different things that I think
are really really cool. Like, so we're gonna start start
with the Pasadena Playhouse. We all know Pasadena Playhouse in Pasadena.
They're doing Sira No, They're doing Lakaja Fall. They they're
doing top Dog, Underdog, They're doing like really really cool stuff.

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But one really cool thing about passing a playhouse that
you might not have known is they have a really
cool youth and family program. They have something called the
Little Players for ages five to seven, the Pasadena Players
from ages seven to twelve, and the Junior Ensemble from
eight to eighteen.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
And they like have.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
These huge cohorts of like little kids and like teach
them how to feel like how to feel comfortable and
happy performing how to like feel good through the art
of acting, which I think is so cool. Right now,
those teams are doing the playoffs players are doing Annie
the Kids Edition, plus junior ensembles doing James and a
Giant Peach, and then the little players, the five to

(47:29):
seven year olds, do a two month run of a little.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Thing that they make.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
Yeah, a two month run September tenth to December twelfth.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
It's awesome. It's like really cool.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
Like they're they're like they're like creating these like actual
like cohorts for like little kids to like learn how
to be performers early in a really supportive environment.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
I guess, like in California, like cal Caliburnia is the
reading ground for like child stars. Not that I think
that's the intention of this thing, yeah, but I guess
that is a little bit more of like a natural
occurrence out there.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
In my mind, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
What do you mean. I think it sounds like really
really cool.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
I don't thin guy understood the passage of time at
that age.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
That's so fair, And these kids aren't learning it, which
is crazy.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
They probably don't either. Probably this is my life now
I'm an actor exactly.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
But yeah, so that's passing them. Play House are very cool.
One another one that we've all heard of, The Old Globe,
a wonderful cool theater that's kind of created based off
of the Shakespeare's Globe.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
They're doing a really great season.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
I Got the Christi's Murder on the Orient Express, Dracula,
Comedy of Terrors, Doctor Seuss had a grin Stole Christmas.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
They're doing Henry the Eighth.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
Christmas Carol told by Jefferson Mays Jumber, that really really big,
one person Christmas Carol that was on Broadway two years ago.
They're doing it. That's the same guy, like the same
guys doing it, which is so sick. They're also doing Appropriate,
which is awesome. They're doing Regency Girls, which is a
new musical. They're doing Empty Ride, which is a brand

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new play by Keiko Green. They're doing House of India,
which is another play by deep Ka Kamar. They're doing
so many like they're doing all these new These are
all new plays. They're doing Anna Ziggler World premiere called
The Janneyed. They're doing One of the Good Ones, which
is a San Diego premiere by Gloria Collette. They're doing
All's Well that ends well by Shakespeare. They're doing The
Comedy of Errors by Shakespeare. They're doing another show. They're

(49:10):
doing Deceived, which is by Patti Jamison and Jonathan Wright,
based on the Patrick Hamilton novel. They're doing Huzzah, which
is a new musical by Lawrence O'Keeffe of Oh My Gosh,
Legally Blonde. They're doing Small Dude. They're doing like an
insane a huge season. I mean, they're the old Globe,
so it makes sense. But like they just have like.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Such a vast array of shows. They have like six
new works.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
But on top of that, they're doing like Dracula, I
Get the Crispy two Christmas Carols.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
They're doing like a ton of stuff that budgets insane.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
Yeah, But the thing that I wanted to talk about
with them was they're like absolutely insane, like truly insane
arts engagement strategy. Like they have so many different things
that they do around like San Diego in the area.
So like they have something called Globe for All Tour,
which is they take their Shakespeare shows and they tore

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them to They basically do a tour of all the
parks in California, all through California and they do to
productions for free. You can check that out on their website.
They do something called the Axis, which I thought is
super sick. They basically, like the Globe has this big
outdo applaza outside the theater, and like every summer, they
every summer they create like this big event where a
ton of smaller theater companies can come and do stuff

(50:22):
in their like area and they can like basically create
this big like culture event and programs and stuff where
people can see them. But they like are boosting up
these other creatives and artists and stuff, which is so sick.
They have workshops, they have discovery programs, they like have
things where they go to schools and stuff like that.
They just have a lot of really really dope like
programming that's free, and like all of their stuff for this,

(50:44):
all of their like like arts engagement, cultural community programming,
it's all free. So like the Old Globe is obviously
a very fancy theater. Yeah, and obviously tickets are tickets,
but it's a really good way to maybe get involved
in their community in they have a lot of opportunities
to get involved and did not have to spend money.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Which I think is really really dope.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
Another play that or another theater that is big and
everyone will know La Joya La Joya Playhouse is. I mean,
it's just so good. They're doing uh, they're doing Primary
Trust this year, which is sick. I mean, god, it's
I need to see that play so bad. At Herts,
they're doing your local theater presents. They're doing Three Summers
of Lincoln, which is a new musical by Joe Depetro.
How do I know that name? Whatever, But they're they're

(51:25):
doing some really really cool stuff. But it's this, Okay,
the one thing I want to talk about with La Joya. Yeah,
they do something called the Wow Festival, which is so sick.
It's four days. It's it's the next one. It's in April,
so it's gonna be next year. So by the time
you listen to this, if you're in if you're in California,
you're gonna be able to hit this one ye. It's
presented with UC San Diego. The Wow Festival forty days

(51:46):
of twenty plus breathtaking experiences and it's it is exclusively
local artist submitting site specific theater, site specific art.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Right. It's so so sick, and they put all this
money into.

Speaker 6 (52:03):
Like ticking over San Diego for this week and like
really creating this cool set specific card that you can
that you.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Can like build out.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
And last year, the one that kind of like I guess,
won a bunch of awards and it was like the
biggest one. It was called fifty nine Acres and it
was this person basically made a audio drama immersive experience
that you start at the La Joya Playhouse like looking
at the wall, and you scan a QR code and
you put your headphones in and this person talks you
through for like forty minutes a walk and the walk

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takes you all the way.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Do you see San Diego?

Speaker 6 (52:35):
It's like A yeah, it's like a it's like a
one mile walk, but it's it is still up. They're like,
we're just keeping it up because all it is a
QR code on the front of our theater and that
So if you are someone in California you're like, I
don't have anything to do on like a nice Sunday
or Saturday, and you want to go do something, you
can go to La Joya, scan this thing and then
go through this really cool experience called fifty nine acres
for free, Like whenever you want.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
That's super cool.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
It's super cool.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
It's like the silent disco of literally exactly.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yeah, but it's cool.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Like I've never really seen I always like love the
idea site specific theater. Honestly, I don't think I've ever
seen any site specific theater. I'm sure you haven't in
Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Here's the thing I know I have, but I'm drawing
a blank right now.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, like I feel like that's very very cool I have.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Yeah, Yeah, like I've I've always loved the idea site
specific theater. I think it's so interesting and honestly, it
seems so freaking hard to do.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
So the idea that like they have an entire organization,
they have an entire like thing all about like site
specific theater, and they're like using their like platform and
their like financial means to like boost all this up
and even to like grow it past just a four
day festival, like to like when someone creates something, it's
like this doesn't have to go down.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
And people like it. Yeah, let's like keep uplifting it
for a year literally.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Stable opportunity outside of production, Like why I take it away?

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (53:55):
As of right now acres fifty or fifty nine acres
is open through June of twenty twenty five. Wow, they're like, hey,
like like we are cool with people walking all over
our campus.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Yeah, especially with the water out there, Like you don't Yeah,
it's aweso. Yeah, it's not like you're gonna put anyone
in like hypothermia exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
So yeah, So if you're in California, if you're in
the San Diego area and you want to have like
a really cool experience of site specific theater, know that
you can always go to La Joya literally and it
literally is open at all times that is daylight.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
So it's very smart because I think that a lot
of people who are like tourists or maybe they want
to go check things out, like plans fall through, the
schedules get rocked. So the idea that like you could
somehow make a point of contact with potential future patriots
if your doors are closed literally, yeah, like especially post
pandemic or started the pandemic. I think about that a lot. Yeah,

(54:44):
like how are you welcome welcoming people in who maybe
like aren't able to do that right now?

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Onsand percent That's very cool. Yeah, it's very cool.

Speaker 6 (54:51):
Yeah, but but yeah, it's it just seems really really rad.
I am like, very very excited about it. U Okay,
next thing, I want to talk about the gaff and Playhouse,
all these play all these theaters we've heard of, right,
Their season is awesome. They're doing The Dragon Lady, which
is Sarah what is this her name? Sarah Proklobs, Like

(55:13):
one person showed that she. I think it's like a
three parter. They're doing Waiting for Goodough. They're doing The
Brother Size, which is a new play. They're doing The Reservoir,
They're doing Furlough's Paradise. They're doing Noises Off.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Where is it? The Reservoir is.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
A new play written by Jake Brash who follows me
on Instagram. But literally everyone stopped freaking out. It's it's
gonna be okay, call me to at Justin Borack.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Wait. But the other thing, what's his name? O? Where
is he? He's in this season? And I want it there?

Speaker 6 (55:42):
He is Rain Wilson, Rain Wilson from the Office, did
this is where he did? What's the show that we
love that you wanted to direct?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Me?

Speaker 6 (55:49):
In? Tom Paigne And he's doing something yeah, and he's
doing something and he's doing something in it this year.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I'm forgetting. Oh he's been Waiting for Good out.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
That makes a lot of sense. That's like his local spot,
I think, California.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
Well, I mean he's only done two performances with them.
He did Tom Painting. This is the second one. But
I saw that casting and I was like, this is
maybe like the most exciting casting I think I've ever seen.
I actually wait, let me see if they have like
the actual just as he's in Waiting for GOODO he is.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
It's let me see if they have no just as actor. Interesting,
I know, but it's cool. I love I love Rain Wilson.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
I loved I got to see him in Steppenwolf in
in the Doppelganger and he was great. I love that
he like does theater to the extent that he does,
and I think it seems really really cool. So I
also I'm a I hate it, but grad school did
make me love Waiting for Ginddo so like I Yeah,
I think it's a really cool casting and I'm really
excited about it. So if you're in California, that one

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runs from November sixth to December fifteenth, which is a
really really great stuff. They have a very cool like
new play Development govin Playhouses just Devin Playhouse. The current
people they have on commission, there's like some crazy names.
They have Martina New York. They have Keena Gwynn, they
have Jen Silverman, they have Jackie Park, they have Lauren Yee,
they have a Naomi Stewart. They have some like huge

(57:12):
names on commission currently with them, which is dope. But
here's something that I've found from exploring their website. Okay,
so this is actually maybe one of the most helpful
things that I've ever found in my life. Okay, go
to the Gavin Playoffs website, go to the Education and
Community tab, and then go to the theater Making at
Home tab.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
They wanted to during COVID.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
They wanted to create step by step instructions or processes
to help you create theater while while we were at
homing during COVID and they left them all up. They
are look at all this there are huge massive sorry
we have a.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Name, We're squeaking the bet and he's spinning the little
podcast card.

Speaker 6 (57:50):
They have just huge PDFs of all of these like
different things you can learn about, like like like writing
a monologue or like like writing a play about like
specific people, like biopics. Writing Like like it's helping.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
It's a great resource if you're really at or something.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
Starting resource or a great resource if you're like a
writer and you're like kind of handing writer's blocker you
don't have a project yet. They have all these things
that you can use to like just start writing and
like like get some really great advice from some really
really brilliant playwrights and artistic directors and stuff. So yeah,
I don't know, I thought that was really really cool.
I thought it was something that like I know, I'm
gonna like look through, I think in the next couple

(58:23):
of weeks while I'm writing some projects.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
So like the either making.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Projects on their education and Community tab at the GEF
and play House website.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
It's like very very dope, I think.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
The the other theaters that I thought were like very cool,
uh not that like maybe are like a little less
known the Aurora Theater Company that's where Eureka Day premiered,
which is really really rad. They have a really fun
season coming up. They're doing a bunch of like new plays.
Reading comes from the Table of Joy. They're doing some
really cool stuff. There's a theater company called called The Stage. Uh,

(58:56):
they're doing some really cool stuff. They're doing an Enemy
of the People, They're doing the Underpants. They're doing like
like really cool plays. They are based in San Jose.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
That's it. They're based in San Jose.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
And then this one theater that I thought was very
very dope is called the B Street Theater.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
I have a friend who worked there.

Speaker 6 (59:13):
Yeah, I just got drinks with a friend who also
worked there. But they were like a very up and
coming place that like really probably prioritizes.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
New works in the comedy field.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
And they have some really like they're doing a new
play called Pickleball that seems very funny. They're doing like
a lot of really really cool projects. They also have
something called New Play Brunch, where they have like they
like commission a new play right to like write something,
and they basically like have a reading of it at brunch.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
So they're doing a reverse dinner theater kind of.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah, they're doing like brunch and mimosas and a play reading.
Cool you know. It runs from eleven am to one pm.
The next one is.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
It's called Hide and Jackal by Kelly Stonebrook. I think
this will be Do they have a date for this
one yet? Oh?

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Yeah they do.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
Yeah, it's this is gonna be done by the time
this episode comes out. But they do them all throughout
the year, so which is very very cool. So so yeah,
b Street. They also have like a really cool what
I just heard about. They have like a comedy centric
new play festival every summer where they like bring people
in and like my friend Sarah just did it, and uh,
the audience of the theater like gets to pick every

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year what it gets gets to pick one of the
shows at this festival to be in the main stage
season the following year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Oh that's very cool.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
So sick like her play got picked, which is sweet
O nice. Yeah, but but yeah, super super cool.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
And then the last.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Theater I'm going to talk about is the I Am
A Theater. Uh my friend Nicholas Pillopill has like worked
there before or my like acquaintance on like social media
and stuff. They have a great new works festival.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
They a lot of their season is like all like
new like like stuff that comes from their season, which
is super super dope.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Uh. They have like some really just rad stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
They have like some new plays, like The Very Best People,
which is like a kind of like a mysterious, like
weird to play about the NYPD. They have My right
Wing Uncle, which is like a cool like one person
show talking about like a dude's Republican uncle.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
They have likes.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
It's like their entire season is just new works, like
that's all they do. So if you're someone who really
really loves new works, and I'm pretty sure this is
in Los Angeles if yeah, if you're in the LA area, a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Really great theater.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
They also have so many, like so many new play
development things. They have the New Works Festival, they have
an Emerging Playwrights Lab. They have commissions they ope, they
take submissions all the time. And there's something called Past
the Mic. There's a virtual play festival intended to pass
the mic. It amplifies like voices of like global majority,
consisting of an evening of short plays, so like gives
even more opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
So I am a theaters I think one of.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
The places that really really like gets people's stuff up, yeah,
which is really dope.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
I find that that's kind of like the main thing
I like to seek out with this season. Yeah, it's like, yeah,
like where can you audition? Where can you submit? But
like who's like actually being accessible to new work? Yeah,
because I feel like nine times out of ten of
websites like, oh my gosh, we're reimagining our literary department.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Yeah, we actually we had.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Too many plays. So at some point in the future,
we will take we will talk about plays. I don't know,
there's something about people who are just like, yeah, full send,
We'll figure it out on the back end where I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Like, no for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
Like I mean, like I feel like there's not a
lot of theaters too that you see fully devoting everything
to new works. Yeah, and then it goes all out,
which is sick. So like so yeah, that's why I
love that I am a theater. They primarily work at
California Writers. So like, if you're basing California, I hope,
I mean, I hope that any of these resources seem
helpful to you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
But like, yeah, those are all the like big people.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Moving to California, Yeah, considering school right now.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Yeah, I mean that's a that is a one of
the Like I would argue like four or five cities
like Los Angeles that like people in the arts like
are like, oh, like I can do stuff there and
like work there hopefully. So like, if you're thinking about it,
know that there is a really great theater community there.
And speaking of education and opportunity, I want to end
my episode by talking about a couple of different like
things that you can kind of do outside of the

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theaters more. Just like if you're like I want to
be a playwright, or like I want to like work
on my writing itself, there's a lot of opportunity when
it comes to schools or it comes to programs or
anything like that. So a really cool one UCLA Sylvan Oswald,
like I talked about Silvin Oswald runs the program. They
are a like trans playwright who is super super cool.

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I just wanted to talk a little bit about their
like work.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
So.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Sylvin Oswald is an interdisciplinary artist originally from Philadelphia, creates plays, text, publications,
and video. His His work uses meta, theatrical and formal
irrelevance to explore queer and trans identity. Recent projects include Trainers,
High Winds, a bunch of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Really really cool stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
But one thing I love is on the front of
his website there is an essay called towards a trans
theater and it's in the Mathune Drama Handbook for Gender
and Theater, which I think is so sick. And it's
an essay that they wrote or that he wrote, and
I want to read the last paragraph because I think
it's like so, it's one of my favorite essets I've read.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Good to their website.

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
I'll put it in the bio, but like, read this
essay because it's so good and you can read it.
It's right on the front. The last paragraph is okay,
trans theater will ask us to examine our expectations of form.
Trans theater may not announce itself. It might not be
confined to artists or content, but include an entire producing apparatus,

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production content, or power structure forty four. Trans theater is
skeptical of inclusion without meaningful relationships. Trans theater deserves supportive process.
It will move in and out of institutions, it will
move in and out of narrative and abstraction. And I'm
grateful for the concept of the trap door as a
metaphor for trans experience and as a third term referring
to it not entrances or exits, but secret passageways that

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take you someplace else off in someplace as yet unknown. Yeah,
I think, like and then it's a trans theater's pronoun
might be infinity.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
I just think it's a really really beautiful essay if
you are someone who is trans, or if you're someone
who I mean, I am absolutely a straight white dude,
and I read it and I got a lot out
of this essay. So it's a great essay. Silvan Oswald.
I would be honored to be in a program under
them or under him, And I mean, like, obviously he's

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good at a job he like helped build up like
Klobe Extina and like all these great UCLA playwrights, So like, yeah,
very very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
There's a couple other programs that I wanted to talk about.
The LA's Writer Workshop.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
It's like a.

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
Dynamic, talented community of playwrights at Center Theater Group. Since
two thousand and five, they've invited seven local playwrights to
spend a year researching and writing new work with the
feedback of fellow writers and artistic staff people who have
been in the program or been a part of the
program like teaching and stuff. Are they so many huge names?
Amy Berryman from the Walden at Second Stage this year,

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Ruby Ray Spiegel, dry Land, Alsia Harris has got his
he Park, Peerless, win Domnic more so Becca Branstett are
just insane names after it. Yeah, hit after hit after that.
So another really great La opportunity and then another one
in La the Writer's Room, which is they stole that
from me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I'm just kidding. It's been a thing for a long time.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
But the Writer's Room is at Gefen Playhouse, or group
of Los Angeles based play rights. The Writer's Room is
a product of Gefen's deep commitment to supporting new plays
and specifically fostering bold, irrelevant work. It's run by their
literary manager and dramator Olivia O'Connor. It's a twelve month residency.
They select six playwrights and writer or writers teams and
they attend in person meetings at the Geffen once per month,

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and they kind of lead up to like a like
a like reading of their play, which is super cool. Yeah,
it seems sick. It seems like very very dope. It's
a cool opportunity. There's so much in La. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
San Francisco.

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Jonathan Spector, who wrote Eureka Day, is very clearly living
in San Francisco, he's doing like literally like fifty dollars
play writing workshops.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Wow, like all the time he's doing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
That's actually way cool.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
His show is gonna be on Broadway. It doesn't make
any sense.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Here's it's way cool. And it's also like, I too,
one day could be on Broadway and hopefully get fifty
dollars for class.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Random guy like, yeah, it's like a phone bill.

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
It's so this next one he's doing, which I think
will be done by the time this episode comes out,
but he does them all the time at it's called
Playground SF, and he did one called mind your Own Play,
Mind your Own in parenthesis play rinning business, So mind
your own business, all the things no one ever explains, which.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Honestly sounds like a workshop. That would be so helpful.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Honestly, take the workshop as much as and here's the thing,
I'll end maya twenty five dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
That's what would I would cry to be able to
be in a room with Jonathan Inspector after reading Eureika
Day and have him like, look at my work and
give me advice and stuff like that. It's also so
helpful to have someone who is having a show currently
currently running on Broadway. Say here's all the things no
one explains about how to be a playwright in this time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
I'm like, you know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
You have to you have to do.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Yeah. There's a unfortunate amount of times for someone's teaching
a class and I'm like, hey, are you like maybe me? Yeah,
And it's like, would I take a class from me?
And I know that that also you know toils in
like imposter syndrome.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Yeah, but sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah, Yeah, that's that'd
be a good class.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
Great class at take a really really good class at
take just some other like cool things that are that.
That's in San Francisco. San Diego has uc San Diego.
It's a really great theater or it's a really great
playwriting NFA program that like Lily and Padilla came out
of who How to Defend.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Yourself Emi Fail Mary?

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
That was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Yeah, super sick b Street. We talked about them before.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
In Sacramento, they do playwriting classes that are really really cool.
They're expensive, but they're like very long, which is rad
that Sacramento outside of La Oh. One of the last
weeks I want to talk about South Coast Repertory Theater.
They do really really dope stuff. They used to put
out South Coast Repertory like queer theater ethologies and they
would commission those, which is super super dope.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
They're doing like a lot of cool stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
But they also have a new playwriting lab, so if
you're outside of LA, it's kind of another LA.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
It's in Court Messa.

Speaker 6 (01:08:56):
It's a really really great, wonderful like program where you
can do you can like get you can submit and
try to get into the Pacific play Rights Festival. I
own like three of the anthologies from the Pacific Players Festival.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
It's it's great.

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
They also have classes that you can do and adult
playwriting classes and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
And the head of their play rating program is Diana
Burbono who Where Are You? She's super cool. She has
like ran a bunch of really really cool stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
She's a Columbian immigrant and a playwright and has written
really dope LATINX theater. One of my favorite things that
I got to read of hers was As Girls Go.
She has a new play exchange. It's As sos Go
is a play about like this like pop icon, who's
like basically trapped in this role of her life of
being like a rock star, because it's the only thing
that gives her like power over men. It's the only

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role that she's like in this way, people won't treat
me awful, and I can treat them awful. It's really
really good and it's it's just wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
It's so smart.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
But Diana Burbono all over new play Exchange and a
bunch of like free plays to grab whenever you want,
which is rad.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yeah, And that's California. That's like everything I have. I
tried to go.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
It's so big.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
It was just so big, and there were so many
things going on, and I tried to hit as many
as I could.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
But I hope you, like, if you're in.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
California, you heard of opportunity, and if you're not in California,
you also heard of opportunity because a lot of this stuff,
because it's California, is not just for Californian writers. It's
for anyone to submit for Like I know I've submitted
a at Iam a couple of times. I know they
take a lot of primarily California people, but like they
do and then I know, like, uh, Geffen has like
the Writer's Room.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Which is exclusively for LA based playwrights.

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
But then they also have like commissions, and they also
have submission and they also have like festivals that you
can submit for. Yeah, which is cool, Like, yeah, I
don't know. There's a lot of really really dope stuff
going on. And California is like one of the biggest
freaking states ever has so much theater. So yeah, that's
if you're in California, you probably already know this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
But there's so much opportunity. Yeah, so much, just an
insane amount. That's California.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
That's where people live there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Boom, baby, baby, good job, thank you. I talked for
so long.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Well, we bantered for a long time too. I know
it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Oh my good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Do you want to wrap things up the only way
we know how?

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
I guess that's right, justin have.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Them all right, let's lay one down. Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
This is play Disease to Cheers and a Lie, six.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
To cher A Lie.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
To Cheer and the Last Summers tell.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Lies about the states talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
This is the one. This is the one that's right.
It's time for too truth and a lie. That's good.
Well wait, wait, we twitched it. We did time for
t T L L L l O L all because
I like doing the e k R e k R thing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
But yeah, oh my god, it's so hot. Yeah. So
my room that we record in is small, a lot
of windows. The sun is horising, so you can hear us.
How why'd you wear a hoodie?

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
That sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
I'm a dumb person.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Let me let me get you to the tail enter.
We can pop that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Now, so far, you've I have not bested, do you?
So I'm going to try and twice.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Well, here's the thing. I'm not a good liar.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I'm not a good liar. I'm a pretty good liar.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
You're not a great liar, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
I just have a system that I've been doing that
would have been working.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Yeah, your your system is working. Mine isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:12:39):
I'm not a good liar, but I'm good at making
I'm good at improvising something.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
My computer was in the sun. It's piping hot. I'm
kind of scary.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
It's so hot. Okay, Okay, go.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
California. It's got a grizzly bear on the flag.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
That's true, right, I don't know if it's a I
don't know California grizzly bear. Is that is that one
of the things.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
This is the whole thing. It's a California grizzly bear
on the flag. But that bear is extinct. It when extinct.
The last one was seeing in Yosemite in the nineteen twenties.
California grizzly Well, Alifornia grizzly it's now extinct.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
I know that there are bears in California. I know
that for a fact, but I guess I don't know
about the specific species of bear.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
That feels kind of the bear fans.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
But okay, all right, this next one's gonna piss you off.
Then Sequoia trees, okay, which can live up to five
thousand years wow, only grow on the western slope of
the Sierra Nevada Mountains in California. You can see them
in the national parks and you can climb them there. However,
it's illegal to grow your.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Own to grow your own Saquoia trees.

Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
Yeah, that makes sense because I feel like they'd be
very They're probably very large and like very like intense,
and I feel like they could like really mess up
a yard, Like they could like really mess up like
an area.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yeah, that kind of makes sense to me. Last one, Yeah,
we do people grow their own trees.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Yeah, people do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
They don't people people buy trees. They buy trees, but they
don't grow trees.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
When you buy a tree, you put it somewhere and
it grows.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
That's not growing a tree. That's buying a tree, and
then it gets a little bigger. Growing a tree is
like putting a growing something. That's like putting a seed
in the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
I thought, like, this can be thousands of years old.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
Yeah, so like you can't put a seed in the
ground for one, but you could like get one, Like
you could like buy like a baby saquoia tree and
put it in.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Other people count like transplant the like saplings as planting trees.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Isn't a sapling just like a day old?

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
No, I thought a sapling day to a five thousand
year old tree.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Like a week exactly. So it's like a week.

Speaker 6 (01:14:36):
So you can't So could I take a Could I
take like one hundred year old sequia tree and put
in my yard.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
It's illegal to grow them. It's illegal to grow them period.
You can climb them in the National Park, but.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
They grow in the National Parks they've been growing. Yeah,
so it's not illegal for them to grow. It's illegal
for YouTube grow.

Speaker 6 (01:14:55):
So you can't grow it from a seed. But if
I took one from and they're.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Also not allowed to steal them from National Park because
I feel like that goes without saying. Do you want
fact three?

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
I'm pissed about fact two? Okay, all right, but go on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
In the mountains along the coast, the snow can sometimes
appear pinkish red and smell like watermelon due to an algae.
I'm gonna butcher it. But it does sound like an
STI clamited Dominos novellis, which gives a snow its color
and odor.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
That one just sounds fake like that one sounds like
you made it up.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Well, I don't believe in watermelon snow, Yeah I don't. Okay,
so is it extinct bears?

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Well, let me do this really quick.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
I think two is true, and if two is false,
I'm gonna be really mad about that because I think
I did disagree with the statement.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
I think you're mad that someone told you can't do something.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
It's a simple, pretty simple.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
I'm furious that I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
Here's the thing I want to go saquetry on your
fire escape now right, all right, we're going atry.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
So what do you think is the lie? Is that
your final answer?

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Well, no, I think I think two is true. So
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
Watermel snow by an algae that sounds like chlamydia just
doesn't sound real to me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
I can try saying the name again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
No, because like it already sounded like chlamydia.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
It does sound like it starts like chlamydia.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Yeah, I know, so it sounds like you like are
doing a joke.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
So I'm I'm gonna say three because also if if
one is false, yeah, I'm gonna be annoyed because I
know there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Are bears in California, period.

Speaker 6 (01:16:28):
I don't know like types of bears, So like I
know that bears are in California. I guess like that
bear species could be extinct.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Yeah, but that would be like kind of annoying.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
All right, So what's your final answer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
I'm gonna say three.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
You don't believe in watermelon snow yeah, kmita dominos potentially yeah, Wallas,
you're wrong. I finally best did you every single thing
I said about Sequoia trees was wrong. Sequoia trees are
in California. They do grow there. You are not allowed
to climb trees in national parks. You could plant them,
except they only grow in certain places and they only

(01:17:07):
live up to be three thousand years old. I knew
I had a psychologically best to you. I knew I
had to include stuff that you're not allowed to do,
so that would kind of busy you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Okay, wait, can I say something. I don't like the
way you play this game?

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Because this game no, I know, I've had to get strategic.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
Because every time we play this, every single time we
freaking play this game, every single time, when my lies
are fully made up, my livees are are an improvised
makeup that I do. You are taking real facts and
just changing a little bit about them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Well, I chose the opposite of the truth and every
element for this one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Yeah, I know, but it's still still the past.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
I've given you a bunch of detail and you've been like, oh,
that seems like a lie. Yeah, And so I was like,
I need to like find a way to give everything
a bunch of detail. So I looked up three facts
that have like some history, like that bear did go extinct.
I gave you a location, right, the Watermelon Stone. Like
that's a long ass name. I'm gonna butcher it. So
I was like, okay, sounded like they all kind of
seemed like a lie, right, Yeah they did. Yeah, and

(01:18:07):
that's how I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
That's so annoying.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
Yeah, well, thanks so much for listening to the episode.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
It may never happen. I bet only Colorado I will
pick the lie.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Wow, Like I'm not good at it. We'll see. I
guess we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
But today I win.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Boom.

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
Okay, Well, thank you everyone for listen to the episode.
If you're in California, I hope you got something great
out of it. If you're not, I hope you learned
something about Sequoia.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Yeah, we hope that you know where to go. Yeah,
stop hunting bears that you're not supposed to stop it.
Don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I don't do it anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
Yeah. You follows on Instagram at Justin Borrick, at actual
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Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Make sure you go see theater.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
If you're in La you or if you're in California,
you have an abundance all over the state. You have
an abundance of theater that we talked about just today.
But you have so much theater going on. If you're
in New York, come see freaking u Wik Days. It's
going to be here. Go read Hills, California. There's so
many plays that we talked about that you need to
go check out cola Xtina stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
There's so much cool, cool stuff. Yeah.

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