Episode 82 Backlash 2025 Predictions

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Just welcome back to another episode of PCW podcast Championship Wrestling.
I am your host, Wayne also known as Semi Drake Chicken,
and we are going to be doing backlash predictions. Oh yes,
Backlash goes all the way back to nineteen ninety nine
and it's still hanging around. It's been uh, you know,
dropped a little bit, brought back, but it's here today.

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It's one of the big five to six pay per
views of the year. But let's get into the predictions
that we're gonna talk about. Maybe some stuff in the
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Speaker 8 (03:26):
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Mm hmmm.

Speaker 10 (04:05):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 7 (04:07):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 10 (04:14):
Doyle, Oh it's me, It's me, It's a Dyle And
how fucking good is the sky?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
All right?

Speaker 8 (04:22):
Oh yeah, absolutely. I happened to be watching what was it?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well?

Speaker 8 (04:29):
I missed most of rall this past Monday because after
movie seeing Thunderbolts, but I saw her match on n
x T from last week when she teamed up with
Jordan Grace to take on Roxanne Perez and I'm blinking
the Julia. Yes, Roxanne and Julia. Yeah, EO and Roxanne.

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They got you could tell they got some m ring chemistry.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Oh yeah, they was in there cooking.

Speaker 10 (05:02):
Yeah, she's had a good couple of weeks. She's had
a good little title run already.

Speaker 11 (05:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:07):
Yeah, definitely leaving you know, WrestleMania defeating and Ria. I
mean that's a hell.

Speaker 11 (05:13):
That match was definitely was awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
I like how all these best matches we've had women's matches.
He was in the conversation with all of them the
past couple of months. You know, that's good to hear.
That's real good to.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hear finally getting the respect she deserves for her work.

Speaker 7 (05:31):
Absolutely, yep, That's why I think it was a great
choice for for the win at WrestleMania. You know, m
all right, guys, we're going to get into Backlash tonight.
I mean, Backlash has been around for quite some time.
The gimmick of Backlash at least, uh, you know, is

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the pay per view, the event that's right after WrestleMania.
There was a very short time that they were calling
of wrestling. You a backlash where it was just three
matches of WrestleMania wasn't as fun, uh. I Just some
WrestleMania matches just don't hit the same of three weeks later,

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you know, they just don't.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (06:16):
It seems like an awful big past turnaround, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (06:20):
Mean we want something fresh new. This is this is
our new season for us, you know.

Speaker 8 (06:26):
Like so or Sometimes Backlash gives you the match that
you should have had at WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
See the year two thousand, Yes, two.

Speaker 7 (06:34):
Thousand was at the one in Washington, Triple H versus
the Rock.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
For the Triple Ah Rock iron Man match. Yeah, yeah,
the match that should have happened at WrestleMania two thousand.

Speaker 12 (06:46):
Wasn't wasn't Shane I was a guest referee.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, ye, Shane was the guest referee and that's when
a stone cold returned at the end?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Man.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (07:01):
Has anybody ever explored the story behind that, like why
we didn't get that match at WrestleMania? You know why
we still at that four way overbooked McMahon Massey McMahon bs.

Speaker 10 (07:14):
I'm positive that Bruce Pretchett has talked at length about it.
I'm sure if you go find don't listen to his podcast,
I'm sure he uh has blathered.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
On and on. I need to look that up.

Speaker 10 (07:27):
Or somebody, somebody with a podcast has discussed that.

Speaker 8 (07:32):
Who was really sitting in the meetings at that time
and said, all right, the plan is rock triple h Nah.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know what this needs? Big show and Linda and right.

Speaker 8 (07:53):
Like who who couldn't stop that snowball from going downhill?

Speaker 7 (07:58):
I saw this backlash is going to raw. It's been
like a raw pay per view for a while and
then it was a SmackDown pay per view for a
short time.

Speaker 10 (08:08):
Wasn't it like randomly in the fall on the air
wasn't it like randomly not anywhere near rest of here?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (08:17):
Dude, Yeah, one time September eleventh, twenty sixteen, Backlash in Richmond, Virginia.
Main event was Dean Ambrose versus aj Styles for the
w W Championship. Yeah, why that that's weird. They're all
in April, may, you know, end of April beginning May

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September the latest one. Here's another one June twenty twenty.
Main event though, that was at the Performance Center. That's
why COVID it's versus Orton. Well yeah, but anyway, long
history twenty pay per views thus far Backlash, you know

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tonight or not tonight, but this card not as big,
you know, like we said off air, you know, maybe
smack Down my throw in another match. We I was
thinking Jay Uso versus Logan Paul because I was kind
of surprised it just even wasn't on there yet. But
I guess they want to build a little more for it.
Maybe that's a match they're gonna waste on SmackDown, or

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maybe that's something those add I don't know. Let's get
into our predictions, right, and then let's hit the news.
I'm not gonna go in the order they have here,
I'm gonna go in the order I see fit. Let's
kick off with Pat McAfee versus Gunther. H I think

(09:47):
this is uh. I think I know where Gunther's going
after this. A lot of people probably aren't gonna agree
with me and like the idea, but I think it.
We're gonna be getting after this. We're gonna be getting
Gunther versus.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Goldberg, Bill Goldberg, Yes, the Goldberg.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yeah. I feel like Gunther is going to be next
because I saw that, you know that they talked about
maybe stretching it out to like maybe a Saudi show,
which is gonna be in May or right or June,
you know what I mean. So, like, if you're gonna

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start this feud with Gunther, we're gonna start it now.
So I'm not saying there's gonna be any I'm not
gonna say there's any types of there's no Shenanigans. I think, uh,
Pat's gonna do some cool spots, but at the end
of the day, I think he's gonna take a couple
of chops of the fucking chest and he's gonna go down.
I don't think Michael Cole's gonna get involved I don't

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think Goldberg's gonna get involved. I think just Pat McAfee's
is gonna get a beat down. I think it'll be
fun though. I mean, it just interested to see Pat
McAfee wrestle again. It's it's been a while. He's only
had like eight matches seven I think in his wrestlings

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in WW. His last wrestling appearance was at the Rumble
before that defeated the Miss, He defeated Happy Corbin, he
defeated Austin Theory.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
He uh.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
But yeah, right, but let's let's not remember. Let's not
forget that Pat McAfee. He lost Evince and he did
like you know what though, Like if you're looking for
like a pretty good Pat McAfee match, go back to
War Games like NXT twenty June twelfth, twenty twenty is

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the Undisputed Era versus and Danny birch Ony Lorcan, Pat
McAfee and Pete Dunn. They lost, but it was it
was a good match.

Speaker 12 (12:06):
Pat McAfee was in a War Games match, Yeah, man,
what I.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
Mean, like this is like good, I know, right, like.

Speaker 11 (12:14):
The Wonder Watch that.

Speaker 7 (12:15):
Yeah, and you know he did fight Adam Cole went
on on a one on one match he had a takeover.
Uh but yeah, like a war Games.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Match, so had that dog in him.

Speaker 7 (12:29):
So it is funny because like I was like, man,
like Pat McAfee could be, you know, more involved in matches,
and then I got I said it too loud and
Vince's big fucking ears must have been ringing. I got
an idea, I'm gonna wrestle WrestleMania after he loses her,
after he be tossing thirty Huh, that's what terrible segment.

(12:53):
Uh yeah, so another unfortunate l on his card. He
might be taking another defeat because I yeah, so g
for the win, Dre, what are you thinking?

Speaker 8 (13:12):
I mean, obviously Gunter should win this match and probably
will win this match. The only real question in my
mind is just how bad is he gonna whoop Pat
McAfee's ass. Hopefully they don't try to turn this into
some overbooked gimmicky bs because that sure, that may be
worthy of a Pat McAfee match at this point, but

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it's not worthy of Gunter to be in some overbooked
gimmicky borderline can beedic nonsense. This should be just a
downright down, dirty dog get ass whooping mm hmm. You know,
maybe Pat tries something slick to maybe catch Gunter by surprise,

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if that's what you want to call it. But ultimately
he should just beat the dog. Shit, he should just
get his ass kicked and that should be the end
of it. Honestly, don't even know why the hell we're
having this match in the first damn place, Like really,
like y'all couldn't think of nothing else to put on
the card. Or does Pat McAfee have a clause in

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his contract or something, I get one match every eighteen
months or something.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Like.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
That's my thing is, like, how did we even get here,
let alone to put the match on a pl e
Saint Louis at That's not Pat McAfee's hometown, is it.

Speaker 10 (14:39):
No, it's bark Yeah, he only mentions it every three sentences.

Speaker 8 (14:46):
Yeah, I'm just wondering how we got here to that.
They said we're gonna put this match on the show.

Speaker 10 (14:51):
But yeah, fire a bunch of wrestlers and then put
a Pat McAfee match on that show.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Right where did this come from?

Speaker 11 (15:03):
Like?

Speaker 7 (15:03):
What other titles aren't even on the card, like the
women's titles, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (15:07):
Like, yeah, once again, No no US No, no mid
card title defended on.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
The p l E. No no women's. Actually we are
getting one.

Speaker 8 (15:19):
Because we're getting the internet, the women's inner Continental title match,
I mean the US one. Yeah, still no pl is
for the US title. Apparently that that belt is a
SmackDown exclusive.

Speaker 7 (15:34):
We could have had vacated women's tag titles because uh,
you know.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Fuck them belts, damn belt at this.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
Point there to defend your title.

Speaker 8 (15:47):
At this point, I am completely off of the women's
tag division ship. I'm fuck them damn belts. Them belts
might as well be speed belts for me. In my eyes,
I'm done with them. I'm done with the we'll talk,
we'll talk, right, we'll talk about it when we get
into the firings, but I'm done with those belts at
this point. But I'm more interested in hearing how much

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Doyle is going to enjoy watching Pat McFee gets skull
dragged all over this.

Speaker 10 (16:17):
Well, you know, Real missed the opportunity here. I think
to have gun through say something like, you know, Pat,
I can't.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Do gun through accent.

Speaker 11 (16:25):
I'm not gonna try, you.

Speaker 12 (16:26):
Know, Pat, you know the difference between us is I'm
an ass kicker.

Speaker 11 (16:30):
You're just a kicker. Yeah, I think I think Wayne
kind of nailed nailed it.

Speaker 10 (16:37):
I think this match exists to get Bill Goldberg back
for his last match, which I think will be at
Summer Slam, and this ridiculous two day Summer Slam we're
doing for some reason.

Speaker 11 (16:48):
Yeah, I mean, gun Through was just fucking not only
was he just.

Speaker 10 (16:52):
World Heavyweight champion, but he's been a champion for like
eighty percent of the time he's been in WWE, in
various iterations or whatever.

Speaker 11 (17:02):
He's barely ever loses, Like, okay.

Speaker 10 (17:08):
Let mac if he get a liqu or two in,
I suspect he'll have some type of catch you by
surprise something up his sleeve. But Gunther should beat the
living fuck out of him right, like this shouldn't even
be question. I do expect Michael Cole to get involved somehow,
and I certainly expect Goldberg to. I don't know if

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he knocks, if he interferes and costs gun Through the match,
or he comes later, you know, to save Pat after
the fact.

Speaker 11 (17:39):
I'm not sure which, but I think that's the whole
point of this, in my opinion.

Speaker 12 (17:46):
We need to get gun Throw away from the title
scene a little bit.

Speaker 11 (17:49):
We need to get gun throw away from.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
Being champion firms half a you know, a year and
a half at a time, right from my For me,
i'd rather see if we have to suffer through a
Pat mccavree match, I would rather be against someone other
than Guns.

Speaker 11 (18:07):
I think it has been East Gunter. I think Dre
said that.

Speaker 10 (18:10):
Uh, I mean yeah, I mean everything says Gunster is
gonna win this, so I think Pat mcvey's gonna win.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know what I wasn't thinking about.

Speaker 8 (18:21):
I wasn't fully thinking about the Goldberg factor, and yeah,
if this is gonna be the catalyst for the Guns Goldberg.

Speaker 11 (18:28):
I mean they had where was their interaction?

Speaker 12 (18:31):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Was that the raw premiere? Was that the raw Netflix premiere?

Speaker 11 (18:35):
Yeah, it might have been. It was around then.

Speaker 10 (18:37):
I don't remember what exactly event, but that was that
was for a reason, and I think this is that reason.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Sure, And.

Speaker 8 (18:46):
I think in order to in order if it's a
really warrant the match, Goldberg has the cost Guns to
the match, because if Pat mcvie's just getting shit canned
and Goldberg shows up for the save, then it's like
what yeah, right, it's oh you got my face again?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Whatever may fuck you? You old you retired.

Speaker 8 (19:04):
But if Goldberg costs Gunter a match against Pat McAfee,
so now Gunter has to walk around with that l
on his record, Like you just said, the guy who's
been championed eighty percent of his time has been dominant,
but now has this glaring blemish on his record of

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a lost Pat McAfee. And not to mention having to
come out every Monday night on Raw seeing Pat McAfee
there at ringside, knowing that motherfucker pinned me that something
like that could enrage gun Through so much that he
would demand a match with Goldberg and force that match
to happen. And I think that's probably the only way

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that one the feud itself could be interesting and the
build up, because match yourself from goun to Goldberg.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
It is what it is.

Speaker 8 (19:55):
It'll be probably be short, quick, simple, whatever, But to
at least make the feued interesting, that would be the
catalyst that would be it going through being so enraged
that he took this loss because of Goldberg. So yeah,
I think I think I think I'm changing. I think
I think, yeah, I'm gonna agree with y'all. Pat will

(20:16):
probably win this match because of Goldberg. The only thing
that seems to make sense either that or get Pat
McFee just gets skull dragged all over Saint Louis.

Speaker 11 (20:28):
Yeah, that would be perfectly acceptable.

Speaker 12 (20:31):
Very little desire to see Coldburg.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Come right, unless he's gonna help pat Win.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
I don't, Doyle man, I don't think it's it's Goldberg's
last match. I think they're gonna win him the stick
round for like, you know, maybe for another match or two.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
Nobody wants Goldberg to stick around for another match to.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
You barely want the one that we're gonna get.

Speaker 10 (20:57):
Yeah, I don't want the one who are gonna yeah,
let alone.

Speaker 11 (21:00):
I don't want two or three.

Speaker 7 (21:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (21:03):
The Dirt's have been saying he's gonna have a retirement
match this year.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, yeah, Goldberg saying yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:11):
Goldberg himself has been saying that his retirement matches this summer.
He just hasn't said win this summer. Oh, summer starts
in June.

Speaker 12 (21:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (21:21):
And I'm sure they're idiotic enough to think that Goldberg's
a draw in twenty twenty five, because they right, because
they booked themselves into this enormous two day venue for
two days for Summer Slam, So they're gonna need to.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
Put something big, right, and if not SummerSlam, then whoever
else could pay would be willing to pay money for
something like that would be the Saudis. Yeah yeah, same right,
and they could book the one WWE's version of a
side quest, which is those Saudi polist Actually is the
Saudis before SummerSlam, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
It is? Even Crown Jewel apparently is not happening this year.

Speaker 11 (22:03):
Yeah, but they're doing nice super.

Speaker 8 (22:05):
Sure whatever they call it, yeah whatever, yeah.

Speaker 10 (22:12):
Yeah, which makes no sense because the whole point of
the Royal what was it called Royal Crowd.

Speaker 8 (22:17):
Is that there's a royal family in oh yeah, the
Crown thing, yeah, all the Crown Jewel Cup or Crown
Jewel Championship.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah well which, yeah, let me create myself.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
Crown Jewel is happening this year, it's just not in
Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 11 (22:31):
Yeah, which doesn't make sense.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
Like damn, how the fuck right? How you lose the
rights to the damn show that was created for y'all.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
M hmm, Like damn y'all got out bid about Australia.

Speaker 11 (22:43):
Yeah, Okay, the.

Speaker 10 (22:46):
It looks like the Saudi pay per view was the
June twenty eighth and Summer Slam.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
August.

Speaker 12 (22:58):
Yeah, so it's probably will be the Saudis showing, not
Summer Slim.

Speaker 11 (23:01):
But I still think the same logic applies.

Speaker 8 (23:05):
Yeah, one of one of the two. Yeah, I think
it'd be kind of hard to stretch it all the
way out to.

Speaker 10 (23:12):
I already don't care about it. I'm certainly not gonna
still care about.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
It in August. In August, right, I'm not.

Speaker 11 (23:18):
Gonna care anymore about it.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
See some slapping, see some Gunther slaps on on gold Right,
pretty cool. How they size up pretty well against each other,
just to carry that match.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
All right?

Speaker 10 (23:37):
Hopefully Bill Goldberg doesn't get his bell wrong immediately?

Speaker 11 (23:43):
What was it one of his awful, awful Ladder day matches.

Speaker 10 (23:48):
Not that his early day matches lady good either, but
we didn't didn't one of those Saudi matches.

Speaker 12 (23:54):
He did.

Speaker 10 (23:54):
He get his belt like maybe the Undertaker like Goldberg
got a concussion like almost immediately late, and the match
was just fucking ship show because of it.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I remember that Undertaker I thought got concussed.

Speaker 12 (24:07):
Okay, maybe maybe I'm misremembering.

Speaker 8 (24:10):
I thought was Undertaker got cussed because he says he
barely he doesn't remember anything after a certain moment in
the match.

Speaker 12 (24:17):
Okay, Well anyway, the match was sucking, the ships terrible.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, I remember. I guess Goldberg like, you know,
he would like he said he would hit his head
against the door before he comes out for his entrance,
so like he hit his head. I feel like what
match it was, and it was bleeding, and I feel
I feel like that's the one where he got concussed.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Was the King doing he punched?

Speaker 12 (24:42):
He punched through a real limousine, went down fucking.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Artery or something like that. Bleeding. Yeah, back in w
C w.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Idiot Bill Goldburn, there's also like him spearing like the
ring posts and like knocking himself out.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Like.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
He definitely believed his own hype way too much.

Speaker 7 (25:08):
Yeah, all right, there's probably some Goldberg fans out there
right now just losing their ship as we're just like
tossing him in the trash. Just I thought he was
gonna be next.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Well guess what, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
Thank you, Cody. All right, let's move on, all right.
The next match on the card is Lyaron Valkyrie the
Women's Intercontinental Champion versus returning Becky Lynch. Now after Bareley
suffered an injury at the hands of an unknown assailant
which we later found out was Becky Lynch. For the storyline,

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partnered up, defeated Raquel Lived, and then won the tag titles,
and then immediately lost them the next night within twenty
four hours for betrayal to her friend and protege. Then
the week later, Lynch revealed that she had injured Bailey.
A vengeful Valkyrie interrupted issuing a challenge for the championship

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matchic Backlash, and Becky accepted. You know, the last time
these two one at it was Halloween Havoc in twenty
twenty three. Valkyrie hasn't a victory over Becky already, But

(26:37):
come on, they they I don't think, I know. At WRESTLINGDIA,
we were all like, there's no way they would put
two titles on Valkyrie on Valkyrie, like and you know
what I mean, Like I didn't see it coming, and
they fucking did it. Vakira. Sorry, I don't think they

(27:01):
brought Becky back to be heel just for nothing. I
think if she I guess now, if you truly want
to be a Grand Slam Now you have to win
the mid card titles. So I think to also help
elevate the intercontinental title. I think he'll Becky's gonna hold
on to it for a bit and uh, you know,

(27:25):
she's got the chase. So and I like hell Becky.
It seems like a lot of people who are going heel,
though lately it's more or less she's gone very similar
to the johnstona route, where it's her fault, the fans' fault.
We're the ones. Where are the bad guys? You know,
she's the Thanos in her story. Ah, Drey, what are

(27:51):
you thinking here?

Speaker 8 (27:52):
Yeah, well she'd been getting more of so the Hogan
accusations are so late, yes, given what she uh what
to pull that what happened at WrestleMania, which she has
vehemently refuted, and I think rightfully.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
So, I think.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
The the Hogan comparisons were a bit much from fans,
Like it was nice to see her acknowledge it, you know,
openly acknowledge Hogan as one of the worst human beings
on the planet. I appreciated hearing that from her, you know, agreed,
Becky agreed. But far as this match goes. I get

(28:32):
the argument of, yeah, putting the belt on Becky let
her elevated as the champion, you know, have somebody chase
her to eventually take her down. That's a valid argument.
I think another argument could be made that Becky is
back here now to help elevate the next generation. So
maybe she does the job for Laara and puts Laarra

(28:55):
over in this match as a way to elevate Lyra
Valcarira because they seem to be very high on her,
even though it appears that the fans do not quite
feel the same. And nothing against Lira, because I mean,
she's good in the ring, she's reasonably decent on the mic.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
It's just problem.

Speaker 11 (29:19):
On Monday was pretty good, I thought.

Speaker 8 (29:20):
Yeah, she just doesn't seem to connect with the wrestlers yet.
And the big Bird gimmick or whatever this thing is,
it just really ain't working. Yeah, whatever, whatever it's supposed
to be, it ain't connected like that. It ain't It
ain't curling.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
All the way over. Yeah, but uh, I think.

Speaker 8 (29:48):
It almost feels bad for Lyra to have to drop,
like to get two belts and then lose both of
them in less than a month. But I think that
maybe the route they're going. I think they may have
I think they may have realized that they maybe tried
too much too soon with Lyra, or they may be
gonna maybe try a different approach to maybe get her

(30:10):
over or something. But I'm kind of on the in
agreement about the whole Becky becoming champion and then a
chase for somebody to rise up and take her down
and make that a big deal, maybe buy a Summer
Slam or something. So yeah, I think Becky's probably gonna
go over in this match, and they'll do some work
or something to keep Lyra in the hunt. In the picture,

(30:34):
well she be the one eventually regated from Becky, that's TBD.
But I don't think they're just gonna take all the
belts off Lyra and you know, send her back to
the bottom mid cards or anything like that.

Speaker 7 (30:48):
It could be the rubber match, you know that, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
I mean, I guess the rubber match.

Speaker 8 (30:57):
If they they're gonna have to remind people that they
have to match at NXT, because most people aren't gonna
know about that or remember that.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
I remember it. I was there, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (31:14):
I mean, just like people don't remember that Becky Lynch
and Tiffany Stratton had a match, A great.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Match, Yeah, a great match.

Speaker 8 (31:22):
Yeah, that's the one that that's the one that put
Tiffany Stratton on the map for me.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, Tiffany.

Speaker 8 (31:27):
Matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, Tiffany is the
one who beat Becky.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Lynch for the NXT Women's Championship. I think that's right, Yeah, because.

Speaker 8 (31:35):
I remember that match because that, like I said, that's
when I first became aware of Tiffany Stratton. They had
an absolute phenomenal match in NXT. I think I may
have talked about it on this show one episode and
said that she was somebody else gonna keep my eye on.
And she came to the main roster, became an uppity
little twad and got on my nerves.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
But it's still phenomenal in the room.

Speaker 7 (32:01):
Come on, don't be crazy, take it easy, Doyle. Let's
hear your opinion. Man, what say you?

Speaker 10 (32:12):
You know I hate to see two Finnian daughters of
Aaron's dear old Emerald Isle and odds with each other
like this really breaks my heart. Uh No, I think
this might this might be matching the night contender.

Speaker 11 (32:27):
I think this is gonna be a good one.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (32:30):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
They're gonna do the thing where they put the you know,
every now and then they do it with the men's
belt as well, every now and then they put it
on somebody that seems too big for it in the
mid card titles, that is, I guess, in the hopes of.

Speaker 11 (32:45):
Elevating said title.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (32:48):
And I think that's gonna happen here.

Speaker 10 (32:49):
I think Becky probably goes over. Uh, and then maybe
you can even have Lyra Chaser back and get it
back at some point.

Speaker 11 (32:55):
You know, that certainly is feasible. You can't book a
run in.

Speaker 10 (33:01):
And every fucking uh every match on the card. But uh,
wouldn't shock me to see Bailey return here and maybe
cost Becky.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (33:13):
That's one way I could see.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Lira maybe winning.

Speaker 10 (33:18):
But you know, if Goldberg is gonna interfere in one
match and Bailey's gonna interfere in this match, and somebody
else might interfere in another, you know, it gets a
little crazy and repetitive. But wouldn't shock me to see
Bailey return here and cost Becky the match?

Speaker 7 (33:35):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 8 (33:36):
I could see Bailey returning to be Becky's first challenger,
as I see champion.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
That could be.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Too, Yeah, that's true, or you know, some sort of
triple threat match. Oh, absolutely, it might be interesting. Okah,
what other we really don't have? M it's only women's
match on the on the entire.

Speaker 8 (34:03):
Card, and I'm on w w's website right now looking
at the you know, their backlash preview. Why is it
that the Women's inter Continent Championship match is the only
one that doesn't have a backlash graphic for it. That's
fucked up.

Speaker 7 (34:21):
I think you should get down and dirty and find out.

Speaker 11 (34:23):
Man, something turn better be fired over this.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
God, we should complain.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Do better, w W E do better.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
Do better. All right, let's let's lift our spirits here
a little bit, shall we? This match? I'm excited for
uh Jacob Fatu the Yeah, the United States Champion versus

(34:54):
l A Knight, Yeah, Damian Priest, the Curious Vampire and
Drew McIntyre. I think this is gonna be match the
night Fellas. You got four guys for highly elevated guys
who are all main inventors in their own right. I

(35:17):
think they're gonna put on a good quality match here.
I think we're gonna see I think we're gonna season
people going through some tables and ship uh. I think, uh,
this is a hell of a lineup for Jacob Fartou
for first title defense, right.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Four way.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
Yeah, I think it's Unfortunately, la Knight is probably gonna
eat the pin, but Jacob is gonna retain. But regardless
of him retaining, I mean, it's gonna be a great match.
I expect uh, some men slapping meat, meat slapping meat. Yeah.

(36:02):
I'm hoping Jacob has a lengthy run with this title
I talked about last episode. I think they're hinting at
Solo coming after him, but I still think after whatever
they do, I hope he still holds onto this title.
There's a lot of people thinking there could be some shenanigans.

(36:24):
I just think it's too early for that that for
Solo to cost him the title, even I think, if anything,
he wants it for himself. I don't think he's gonna
cost him in the title unfortunately. I think Ellie Knight's
just gonna kind of float in the mid cards for now,
unless they put him in like world title scene. Maybe

(36:45):
I don't know, but he's unfortunately, that's where he's gonna float.
That's where he's just gonna stay. I don't know if
they're gonna I think they're gonna keep doing this Damien
Priest and Drew McIntyre feud for a little bit longer.
It seems like it might extend after this, which I
kinda I don't mind it. I like their view. They're

(37:08):
elevating each other, putting on some decent matches, so I
like all the backstage brawls they've been having and stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
So, uh, they're keeping each other relevant, Yeah, they are.

Speaker 7 (37:23):
They are keeping each other relevant. Trey, what do you think.
Let's get your input.

Speaker 8 (37:30):
As I'm sitting here looking at the graphic of this
match too, l at Night really comes off as the
odd one out in this, even though he's the former champion,
because you look at Damian Priest rough brawler, No you
can get down and dirty, Drew McIntyre resume speaks for itself,
and Jacob Fatu resume damn show speaks for itself. And

(37:56):
then you've got this old pretty boy motherfucker on the
side with glasses and shit. And I don't know that
we've ever seen drop a lick of blood in the ring,
at least not in WWE. I'm pretty sure he has
at some point in his career, but I don't know.
And the megastar like three brawlers and then the popular
guy with the fans, which at a certain point in

(38:18):
time in wrestling history would have led you to believe
that the popular guy is gonna win and conquer the
other three. Nana, that's not gonna happen in this one.
I definitely think Jacob Fatsu retains. As far as who
eats the pin, I'd be happy if La Knight was
the one to eat the pin, not because I have
anything against them, but just because I don't want to

(38:39):
see Damian Priest eat back to back pins on two pls.
And I think we're all damn certain that Drew ain't
eating the pin from Jacob Fatsu in a fatal four way,
So somebody had to eat the pin, Yeah, I would hopefully.
I would hope that it would be l A Knight
instead of Drew McIntyre. As far as this being matched

(39:01):
to the Night, I mean, it has the potential, but
I think this is really just gonna be a brawl
and power moves and Haymakers don't left and right. I
got a different match that I think is still the show.
So but that's where I'm at on this one.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Dull.

Speaker 10 (39:22):
Yeah, I mean, I see no reason Jacob fo should
not continue his Uh, I almost said I see title
US title reign. I expect him to have a pretty
lengthy and dominant one, and really the only thing and
again I can't I can't fuck a run in every

(39:43):
fucking match.

Speaker 11 (39:44):
But the only thing I could see derailing that would be.

Speaker 10 (39:47):
Solo fucking them over somehow, because I still think that
that's something they're gonna go with, unless they're just gonna
employ Solo to be his second, which is more or
less what he is. I don't know, know, I feel like
Solo is gonna do something, have something to do with
this match. Maybe he interferes on Jacob's behalf, but it's

(40:09):
still starting us down that path.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I don't know. I just kind of, you.

Speaker 10 (40:12):
Know, my my normal equation, Drew and Priest kind of
cancel each other out, and then Jacob FATU is just
better in every conceivable.

Speaker 11 (40:21):
Way to l a night.

Speaker 10 (40:23):
Sorry Ellie Knight.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (40:26):
And I just I realized see no reason Jacob shouldn't win.

Speaker 11 (40:30):
But I think it'll be fun. I don't know if
it's gonna be matching the night, but it'll be fun.

Speaker 10 (40:35):
I think, uh, definitely the hardest hitting match of the night.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
That's forty sure.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
Yeah, well, hopefully they'll probably put this right in the
middle of the show because I don't trust the card
that they have here this towards the end of the night.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Who goes to a table in this match?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Dude?

Speaker 7 (40:56):
I think yeah, Damien and Drew put each other through
the table, take each other out, and then l A.
Knight said he's gonna be the one that I.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Can see that.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
Yep, I can see that this is definitely gonna be
If any match of the on the car is gonna
involve some tables, it's gonna be this one. Mm hmmm,
because obviously there's no disqualification in a fatal four way.

Speaker 7 (41:25):
Yeah, that's true, all right, moving on.

Speaker 8 (41:31):
Hell, I can see I can see I five too.
Moon salting somebody through a table.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
Yeah, yeah, don't bring me hope, man, I love that,
But I might take him out. It might take him out.

Speaker 8 (41:45):
That would be enough for him to get to win
on somebody or or to make him look like even
more of a beast because he tries to moon salt
somebody through the table. They move out the way he
goes through it and then still comes back to win.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
Yeah. Sure, if he can get off from that and
still make the w I'd be pretty damn impressed. Are
we talking like the ring post to the nounced table?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
No, like regular table?

Speaker 8 (42:16):
Like in the ring like the moons all he does
whether like he jumps up to the top rope and
then hits the moon salt.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, I can see him.

Speaker 8 (42:24):
Have somebody on a table in the ring like he's
gonna moonsalt them through the ring through the table, they
move out the wave like some like La Knight moves
out the way and Jacob Fatu ends up.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Going through the table.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
Hey, and then La Knight tries to hit a BFT,
thinks he has to win, and fat two kicks out.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
We're going through a fatal four way match where Jacob
Fartu would be the high flyer in the match. How
about that? I mean, I don't think I would have
seen that coming.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
Well, yeah, I think the last time Damien Priest tried
to pull off or condo didn't look the best.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
Yeah. Yeah, it's too awkward and big for that. All right,
let's move on to the next match. I got a
dominic mysterio the new inter Continent champion versus Penta. Did
we really need this on the card as much? You

(43:25):
really think so? I mean, I like, don't get me wrong,
I like the ship heel Dom, I like, I like Penta.
This guy, this for me, new guy coming to the
w W roster. I'm really liking him. I don't Unfortunately,
I don't see him get getting the title. I see

(43:48):
Dom retaining. A lot of people thought Dom would have
lost it very quickly because of how he won it,
and I was like, no, it's gonna be the opposite.
Dom's gonna h whether it's through some Shnaikins with Judgment
Day whatever, don I's gonna hold onto this Intercontinental title
for a little bit. I don't think it's gonna be

(44:10):
pens To taking off of them, man, I don't know.
I think it's maybe somebody within Judgment Day who might
take it off of them, like I don't know, Finn
Balor maybe. But uh, I think it's gonna be a
great match. Don't get me wrong. I like Penta's entrance.
I think it's pretty cool. Starting to get used to
the music because a lot of these wrestlers are always changing.

(44:35):
Fucking music I want. I want a good song that
has a hook that makes you Susie here, you know
who it is, you know, because I mean even when
Finn Balor comes out, I don't know who the hell
that is. I have to wait until he's out, you
know what I mean. They're like, oh, oh, it's Finn Balor.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (44:56):
Yeah, that's the case with everybody now. I mean it
kind of win made the rounds around the social media
this week about how Zelena Vega got zero pop went
for her match when she was introduced on SmackDown for
her title defense match because nobody knew that was her theme.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Yep, exactly. And then but Alistair Black came back, but
it got to keep his mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
That's why people knew who it was. They heard the music, like, oh,
a theme we actually remember.

Speaker 7 (45:28):
Yeah I don't. I do recall Selena Vega having a
decent theme song before she joined the l WO. She
had one that I just can't remember to my tongue.
But uh yeah, so you need you need to maybe
go back to the the well of which you know

(45:49):
interesting worked for your gimmick. Stick with it. There's no
shame in sticking with a song for your entire career, right,
Seawn Michaels, It's just funny.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
Also, no shame in firing deathuble Yeah, dude.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
So done. First, you know, it was the sound effects,
the you know, Ricochet would come out, Alistair black would
come out. You hear the creaking of the coffin coming up, right,
I just the sound effects. And then and then we
started getting the words like uh, role model uh. And

(46:29):
then you know there's only one royal family like ladies
and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. Welcome
back to this little promo. I have to give one.

(46:49):
You know what it's gonna be about. Yeah, just sit
here and listen. You made it this far into the show.
What we're gonna talk about something very important. It's social media.
Why aren't you more of the Twitter page, the Instagram page,
our Facebook page.

Speaker 13 (47:06):
Joint share and you know what you get in there?
We'll send you a link to the discord. What's the discord?
It's where you can talk to us all day about wrestling.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
That's just that.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
How about you go to.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
Our website, podcast shams, your wrestling.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Dot com where.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
You can come or you.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
Not unjust review, you write into the show. You kind
of question. We'll answer it.

Speaker 9 (47:37):
What it doesn't stop there? Oh no, If it doesn't,
we offer so much more. Do you want to be
on the show? Do you want to shoot the ship
with Dre Doyle and be a guest? I'll give a
real music.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
But it doesn't stop there. Guys say, you gotta gostl.

Speaker 9 (48:01):
Dot com and buy a pie.

Speaker 7 (48:06):
We don't have one, we don't want two. Think, yeah,
we don't have three, but we do have four four
dead t shirts.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Out by, and think, guys, what the hell you doing?
You have made it this smart?

Speaker 7 (48:26):
Are you a fan or one? Are you a fucking
Mark can tell you fucking.

Speaker 11 (48:36):
Times working out?

Speaker 9 (48:46):
I am.

Speaker 7 (48:53):
All right, and we are back because guess what, we
were freezing the ship out of teams that first hour
and only that first hour. And why is that, Dre.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Well? Because apparently the motherfuckers cut you off at sixty
minutes if you're doing a group meeting, if I'm understanding
this correctly, but one on one meetings can go up
to thirty hours.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
Fuck kind of sense does that shit make? So maybe
I'm wrong. I'll continue doing research.

Speaker 7 (49:29):
Yeah, I mean, everything was going well, but now we're
just doing it through discord whatever, that's fine. Discord is
probably where we should have always have done it. You know,
everything here is to the Discord. So if you ever
want to be on the show, now you have to
download Discord. Now you have to be part of it.

(49:50):
That's right, you're being forced. Yeah, well, teams, this is
for you, but.

Speaker 11 (50:02):
You're also a piece of ship.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
Go fuck yourself.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
Yes, yes, you you interrupted our show. It's all skew.
We were on a roll. We were talking about something.
I lost my train of thought. We were talking about
how deaf Rebel just they're terrible. I'm not done shipping
on them. I mean, regardless of the gap we just
had between you know, fixing this episode, We're still not
done shipping on him. I mean, bring back CFO money, man,

(50:31):
I don't care how much money it costs. I don't
I don't care. Bring bring it back.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
We don't need.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
Words and and people saying phrases in the beginning of
interest themes. We don't need any of that ship anyway,
Trey uh dominic mysteria versus Penta. Wait, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (50:58):
Yeah, so I like that on this pl we all
have different matches that we think can be match of
the night. I think Doyle, you said you thought it
could be Becky Lynch versus Lyra Valkeria when you were
thinking it could be the fatal four way for the
US title. I think this match could be the match

(51:20):
of the night. I think this has a potential match
of the Knight stealing potential possibilities because if they really
let him cut loose, like we've seen what Dom can
do in the ring, and I'm not saying that Dom
is out here, you know, tearing the house down night
after night, but I also think Dom has been limited

(51:43):
in what he can do.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I think Dom is capable of more.

Speaker 8 (51:46):
I think he's either been restricted or he just hasn't
had the right dance partner in the ring to really
showcase what he can do. I think he probably has
much more in depth your door capabilities. But he's obviously
working with regular old American and European guys in the ring,

(52:08):
and his dad's old as dirt, so he can't loose
you like he used to. But giving him somebody like
Pencer to work with in the ring, I think there's
the potential there that we could see more out of Dom.
And if that's true, him and Pencer could really cook,
and I think they could steal the show. That being said,
Dom's still gonna win and retain the title because they

(52:33):
I think they knew what they were doing putting the
title on Dom, but I think they may have underestimated
just how much this was gonna go over with the fans.
And after seeing that reaction, I think they're like, yeah,
we're gonna ride this wave a little for a little
while and see where this goes. So, yeah, Dom is

(52:53):
definitely gonna retain here and what could potentially be match
of the night.

Speaker 11 (53:00):
I do like, yeah, you know, that's a great point.
That was a great point about I'm not having, uh.

Speaker 10 (53:11):
The chance to really live up to his potential yet.
I think you're absolutely right about that.

Speaker 12 (53:15):
I mean, the kid has put in the reps right, Like,
didn't he.

Speaker 10 (53:20):
Have like the most matches on anybody like a year
or two ago or second or whatever it was.

Speaker 11 (53:28):
Yeah, and he's kind of been.

Speaker 12 (53:32):
You know, he's been in this faction, all this all
this for years now, really and now he's never.

Speaker 11 (53:38):
Been the focal point of the faction.

Speaker 10 (53:40):
You know, it was always overshadowed by priests who was
world champion or you know, obviously Rhea then lived, so
he's kind of been hasn't really had the chance to
be out front really as himself. So yeah, I think
we will be kind of surprised at how he holds
his own with Panta, who obviously is fucking awesome.

Speaker 12 (54:02):
Also, Uh, like I said when.

Speaker 10 (54:06):
He when he won the title, I kind of hope
his has a has a couple of like Honckey honk
man ask victories where he's you know, kind of fluking
his way into He may wrestle a fine match, but
the finish comes in kind of a fluky way.

Speaker 11 (54:22):
That would be kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I think.

Speaker 10 (54:26):
Where it's going, I think is gonna is a feud
with Finn, whether or not that means that, yeah, complete
breakup of.

Speaker 11 (54:35):
The Judgment they or not, who knows. They seem to.

Speaker 10 (54:40):
Just cycle out members and just keep chugging along. So
the I don't know how many times I've been on
this podcast and the end of the Judgment day and
they're still there. But yeah, I mean kind of like
with Jacob Fatto, they just won their titles. I can't
see them taking them off of them yet this quickly. Uh,

(55:01):
which is why I think Lira will probably lose hers
because she's been champion for a while. But I think
the two guys retain their mid card titles. Uh so, Yeah,
I think I think Dom will will keep it. Plus,
I don't know if Pente's Intercontinental champion does much for me,
not yet anyway, He's still so new to the audience,

(55:24):
kind of needs to get more acquainted with the folks
like Wayne who don't know him from Luke Underground or
any W or Triple A or you know wherever.

Speaker 11 (55:36):
Yeah, but I think that will come in time.

Speaker 8 (55:40):
Yeah, I agree. I think right now he's popular, but
fans aren't invested yet. I think fans. Once fans really
become invested in him, that's when I think he'll be
ready for a title.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
And as far as Dom goes, I think long.

Speaker 8 (55:57):
You're right, it may not take long at all for
fans to really be invested in him and want to
see him, you know, move up and become a champion.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
You're absolutely right. That could happen by the end of
the summer.

Speaker 8 (56:08):
But and Dom, I think the story of his title
reign should be probably by hook or by crook, one
way or another. He's gonna find a way to keep
that damn built.

Speaker 12 (56:19):
Yeah, with Finning constantly over his shoulder.

Speaker 7 (56:24):
Yeah, I do like the gimmick Finn's been.

Speaker 12 (56:30):
Doing hm where he he does like the.

Speaker 10 (56:35):
Uh kind of like with Lando for sus to Han
when he's like he's like, you got a lot of
nerve coming here, how you doing?

Speaker 11 (56:43):
But you know Finns are doing.

Speaker 12 (56:45):
I like, yeah, I'll do whatever it's good for the
drudgement day, of course I will.

Speaker 11 (56:48):
It's you know or whatever.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
I kind of like him.

Speaker 11 (56:52):
Uh Aj called him Prince Ah.

Speaker 12 (56:55):
So there's a lot of speculation that maybe he might
be have a have a psych character change. Uh maybe
kind of going back to his.

Speaker 11 (57:05):
Hu Japan kind of persona.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
We shall see very interesting.

Speaker 8 (57:16):
Judgement that'd be, yeah, him going back to the New
Japan persona or at least that style could be very well.

Speaker 7 (57:27):
You know, we've had Finn and Gallos and Anderson together,
a J and Gallows and interesting together, but we've never
had Finn and the a J together, and at least
w W if always been on the opposite ends. They
were never I understand they were part of the bullet
Club together.

Speaker 11 (57:47):
Yes, and so where the tongue and.

Speaker 8 (57:54):
Yeah, I bet if there was one thing w W
wishes they could get the rights to I bet that it. Yeah, yeah,
well what do we have to do to get that ship?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Right?

Speaker 12 (58:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (58:08):
But I mean, of course the nWo was was.

Speaker 12 (58:13):
Way done by the time they tried.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
To do it.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
But I mean, their versus the nWo is pretty wretched.
Things that they come up with themselves are pretty good win.

Speaker 12 (58:22):
But when they try to when they try to bring
it outside stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
It's the best stat true true. But that was also
Vince fair enough.

Speaker 7 (58:35):
God damn all right, guys, let's move on to the
main event. For the first time in a long time,
well not really, the first.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Time and the last time in your last time for now.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
Yeah, Johnson the undisputed ww Champion versus Randy Orton. If
you would have asked me last year, if I would
have been saying this kind of a match, you know,
do you see John Cen and versus Orton for the
championship backlash, No fucking way I would have thought that
since twenty seventeen, it was the last time they square

(59:15):
it off on the WW ring. It was for that
was the time it was for the two titles. It
was for the when the old World title was around.
Still the big Gold title and the scratchy ww looking title.
So we're gonna finally cease two face off again. The

(59:37):
Viper will be overwhelming fan favorite in his hometown of
Saint Louis is uh and the first defense I had
seen as promised to ruin professional wrestling, the tour that
he's going on where he's just gonna ruin it for
all of us. With that said, with everyone involved, the

(59:58):
high stakes, the the amazing signature moves and finishing moves,
and you know, uh, just the tables are turned here.
I mean, we're we're so used to these two. If
you go back and look at the history of these two,
just Orton's always the heel. He's always the ship heel.

Speaker 12 (01:00:21):
This is there twenty second pay per view match, by
the way.

Speaker 10 (01:00:24):
Geez together, Holy crap, Damn, there you go, the thirteen
seven and one.

Speaker 12 (01:00:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
I don't think this is going to be matching the
Night has story. Uh, but I think it's still gonna
be pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
While they've wrestled each other that many times on pay.

Speaker 7 (01:00:40):
Per views, yeah yeah, yeah, it makes money.

Speaker 8 (01:00:44):
Right, shit Like freaking Austin and Rock haven't had that many,
not even close, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
So these guys know each other, they have chemistry. I mean,
you're talking about the two you know, best in the
business getting in the ring together. Still, see if they
I want to see what kind of quality match gonna
get out of these two older dogs, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:01:05):
I mean, it's gonna be better than Cody math right right, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:12):
Right, I definitely this is gonna be more interesting than
the Cody match with Seena, and the crowd's gonna be
hot as.

Speaker 8 (01:01:20):
Yeah, everything that Randy Orton does, absolutely we know John's
still in, you know, play a safe mode, but Randy
should still should probably go balls to the wall for
his hometown.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
Yeah, you know, I expect like most of his match
is just gonna be chance, you know, I you know.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
After the entrances, oh yeah, be one of those, one
of those, they're gonna the bell is gonna ring, and
then it'll be five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Before they touch.

Speaker 10 (01:01:46):
Yeah, before they they're just gonna stand there and stay
at each other for five minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:01:51):
Crowd, right, you know, especially Orton comes out last. You know,
they're just gonna be seeing his theme music until it's done.
You know, they're gonna sing the whole fucking song. So,
I mean it's gonna be fun. I mean, I can
only imagine being there in Saint Louis with Orton is
it's gonna be wild, you know the way I would love,

(01:02:14):
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Orton
get another you know, w over Sina, you know, especially now,
he's the face to get to get a little bit
closer to that seventeenth world title. Right, it'd put him up.
It would put him at fifteen because he's at fourteen
now or is or is he at fifteen?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Fourteen or fourteen?

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
So we'd put him at fifteen, so it'd be you know,
the realm possibly of still catching up. But I don't
see Sina dropping the title anytime soon. Great first title defense, though,
you know, Orton right to the top, right, like all right, okay,
I'm enjoying this fut so, like Cody's in the rear

(01:03:01):
view mirror, we're not doing rematches, right, so let's go
like who else we got, Like if we're dusting off
old rivals. I'm content with that because this is a
different Orton. It's a bigger Orton. This is a more
leaner Orton, you know what I mean, like more seasoned

(01:03:22):
or in you know John Seena is this wild, rare,
healed persona and I just love it. So with that said,
I see a low blow. Unfortunately, I don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
To low blow.

Speaker 7 (01:03:38):
I don't want any interference, and for the love of God,
I don't want to see any Travis Scott don't know.
I want to see just I want to see a
clean win, and I don't think we're gonna get it,
But my God would I love to see a clean win.

(01:04:00):
But see, I see it's going to retain on this one.
For me, I want to get your guys input on this,
dre What.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Are you thinking? Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious. You know,
will probably we'll retain.

Speaker 8 (01:04:12):
The only question is how like does he actually pin
Orton to get the win or does he do we
get some sort of d Q finish or what other
manage or whatever manner of you know, storytelling shenanigans.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Do we get.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
This match doesn't really see prime seem prime for any
type of running giving it Obviously, Kevin Owens is out
with his neck injury, and I mean nobody else has
really popped up, like the only person that could really
conceivably show up to be involved in this match in
any way, shape or form would potentially be Cody. If

(01:04:54):
we get a Cody Rhodes comeback, since we haven't seen
him at all since WrestleMania, if he decides to show
back up and try to go after you know, seeing
it or whatever. But does he do that and cost
Randy Orton to match, and does that lead to Orton
Cody you know, dust up or something of that nature.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
I don't think they're going that. I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
I don't see that happening as of yet. I don't
see Cody. I know Cody's getting you know, some well
deserved time off right now. I don't think he's going
to be back that quickly either from WrestleMania. So honestly,
I think this match is probably even though it's the

(01:05:39):
main event, something tells me it's not quite going to
live up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
To people's expectations.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
I think because it's the main event, because it's seen
it Orton, I think people are putting a whole lot
more into it than what they're actually going to get.
Not saying that's going to be a shit show of
a match or terrible or anything. I just think it's
going to be a fair, the basic, simple playing match
and Scene is just gonna do some regular cheating thing

(01:06:07):
to win, and that'll be it. I'm keeping for me,
I'm keeping my expectations.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Low for this match.

Speaker 8 (01:06:18):
The crowd will be hot as hell, but that will
probably be the best thing about this matches the.

Speaker 7 (01:06:22):
Crowd, right, all right, Dyle, let's hear.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
It, man.

Speaker 10 (01:06:29):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think the match
itself will be better than the scene of Cody match was,
but that match was also pretty awful. I think this
being an inside and an arena will help it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I think.

Speaker 12 (01:06:45):
Those outdoor arenas like that are hard to get loud.

Speaker 10 (01:06:48):
And the sound goes right up you know when you're
in a basketball arena, which is where they're gonna be.
You know, the sound kind of gets stuck in there
and bouncing around or whatever. And the crowd is gonna
be hot buck for Randall Keith. But yeah, I mean,
I think Scene is gonna use heel tactics to win.

(01:07:08):
Whether it's a low blow, whether it's a belt shot,
whether it's I don't know, I don't know what it is.
I think he's gonna purposely try to.

Speaker 12 (01:07:19):
Slow the match down. You know, a lot of rest
holes kind of stuff like that. Randy's definitely need his
licks in for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
But yeah, I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:07:32):
The scene is heel story isn't ready to be over
by any measure, so it's certainly not going to be
right now. I would like to see Randy gets another
title reign at some point in the near future, because
I don't know how. You know, you never know when
these old guys, I'm older than Randy.

Speaker 12 (01:07:53):
You never know how much time they have left, especially
at such a high level.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
And I think Randy's still.

Speaker 12 (01:08:01):
He's passed his prime, but not way past his prime.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I don't think.

Speaker 10 (01:08:07):
Seeing obviously is maybe a step or two ahead. But
I mean, this match can't possibly be worse than that
Cody Rhodes match. So I'm I'm gonna keep my keep
my hopes low and hope for hope, for my expectations low,
and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 12 (01:08:24):
But yeah, I mean, I just don't see seeing him
win in any other way than via heel bullshit.

Speaker 7 (01:08:33):
This is where the Rock comes back, right, yeah, right,
imagine how pissed off people, this is where he comes back.

Speaker 8 (01:08:42):
What So since you brought since you said his name, thought, yeah,
I believe in Dwayne Johnson.

Speaker 11 (01:08:54):
No matter how many times you say his name, he
doesn't appear.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I had a about that because.

Speaker 8 (01:09:03):
Obviously after WrestleMania there was a whole lot of flak
about the Rock not showing up, you know, after all
this billing, and you know, he was supposed to be
the catalyst for or the reason why seeing it turned
and then nothing, and you know, on and on and
on about that. Right, So I did some bracestome and

(01:09:24):
I wondered if there was a way, and obviously if
the Rock didn't help it with his apparents on Pat
McAfee talking about, you know, everything's work and YadA YadA,
and already called me to call in because ticket sales
for Elimation Chamber weren't all that great, when in fact
the numbers were actually doing pretty damn well and we're
doing just fine. And you know, after that, I said,

(01:09:45):
just make it about them, YadA YadA whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Whatever. Is there a way to somehow save that story
with Rock as the final boss and the scene the
hill turn and the whole Cody wants your this, that,
and third.

Speaker 10 (01:10:02):
I think there is Well here's the question he had
to answer, you is like, is it better to just
cut bait or do something else, try to like Retconnor
or whatever and just make it worse.

Speaker 11 (01:10:14):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I mean, there's an argument obviously to you know, just cut.

Speaker 8 (01:10:18):
To losses the movie perfectly, I think, But I think
there's a way to save it, and I think it
would be if you use Cody and the Rock as
the heel turn if Cody ends up actually selling his
soul to the Rock to get.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
His title back.

Speaker 8 (01:10:42):
If Seen is the heel you know, or Seena is
the champion, Cody comes back, Cody wants his title, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Know he lost, and then when he you know, they
have their match or what have you, and then.

Speaker 8 (01:10:57):
Cody is the one who does something heelish or does
something helish to Sena, does a cheating thing to Sena
to win the title. And then afterwards the Rock comes
out and Cody embraces the Rock and it turns out
that the Rock was still after that. You know, Rock

(01:11:18):
never was just using John Cena. He's like, it was
never about you, Sena, It was never about you know,
you being my guy. It was always about Cody. I
just used you to get Cody to finally sell me
his soul. And now he's done that to become champion again,

(01:11:39):
and all this that to third you get your Cody
Hill turn, you get the rock, you know, bringing this
back full circle to elimination chamber and getting Cody's soul.
The fact that the Rock was the catalyst for Cody's
Hill turn will solidify Cody as a heel and get
Sena back as being a baby face, so that way

(01:12:01):
he can close out his run as a baby face.
And now we have Cody title run number two as
the Rocks guy and as the as a monster fucking heel.
I think it could work, and I think that's the
way you could potentially save it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
I mean, like I might just throw.

Speaker 12 (01:12:21):
I get it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:21):
I get what you're throwing, right, I'm not picking.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
It up, not because I just would have to be.

Speaker 12 (01:12:27):
It would have to go perfectly, I know.

Speaker 7 (01:12:29):
I I gotta go with Doyle, like I think at
this point, just let it go, let it just disappear.
We won't talk about it no more.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:12:41):
I mean, I think eventually they will have to turn
Cody heel, and it may be sooner rather than later,
because I think I think I think he's already maybe
starting to lose the crowd.

Speaker 12 (01:12:51):
Similar to what happened in a w.

Speaker 10 (01:12:56):
But on the other side of the coin is he's
still such a fucking cash cow for them, and I
think they always I mean, as much as Jay is
also like a kind of more kid oriented character, Cody
is certainly that and that's something that I think they
will always, always, always have at least one of And

(01:13:19):
I'm not sure that there's an heir apparent really to
take that spot if he if they do charge him here,
I mean, he's I guess he would still do the
make away stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:13:28):
And what you know, the blahblah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
But I mean, is do we know if Sina's doing
that or not, like which stuff now is here?

Speaker 8 (01:13:38):
Yeah, I'd imagine he probably still is there just being
super quiet about it since he's a heel, just like
I'm pretty sure Roman was granting wishes as the tribal
chief even though he was the top guy in the
company and was a heel like a motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:13:57):
Obviously that I don't think that could still theoretically happen
with Cody, but yeah, they'd have to be super hush
hush about it. But yeah, that is the biggest argument
against Cody being here is that he's consistently their.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Number one or number two merch seller. Maybe the face
of the company.

Speaker 12 (01:14:16):
Maybe Punk can fill that void, but he's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Punk is kind of.

Speaker 8 (01:14:24):
Yeah, he's elder Statesman status, so that that would be
more or less he'd be a you know, basically a placeholder.
He'd be somebody just to fill the space until Cody
goes back to being a baby face again.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
I mean, but if you look at it, like all
of these guys.

Speaker 12 (01:14:40):
Are are if they're not over forty, they're thirty eight thirty.

Speaker 10 (01:14:46):
I mean, I think the uzos are about to turn forty,
Dru's forty, Randy's forty four, forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
That next generation used to get up and runa or
both K and you're both thirty eight thirty nine.

Speaker 12 (01:15:00):
They might be boredy.

Speaker 10 (01:15:01):
I mean, I think gun Thro's thirty eight or you know,
like all these all these top guys are.

Speaker 12 (01:15:07):
Damian Priest is over forty agent styles.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
I think it's almost fifty, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:15:14):
Something, you know, Oh yeah, I just don't know who
would fill that void.

Speaker 10 (01:15:19):
And I feel like until there is someone that clearly would,
I don't know they're going to move it out, move
Cody out of that slot.

Speaker 8 (01:15:27):
Well, yeah, like I said, somebody doesn't have to fill
the void as the new permanent face of the company.
Somebody just has to fill the void for the duration
that Cody is a year, right, just for maybe a
year or two however long they do it. They got
plenty of people that can do that for the time being.
But the bigger concern is more so, where's your next
generation coming from? Like that's the thing, Like they need

(01:15:51):
to get up and running because, like you said, these
guys who are it now, you know, probably the overwhelming
majority of and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Probably got five years tops left in him.

Speaker 10 (01:16:05):
Maybe some guys like remember fucking Hogan and Macha were
like forty two when they were doing those uh those
Huckster and Notch and Match, you know, they when they
were making fun of them for being so old.

Speaker 12 (01:16:19):
And now now like all the main events scene is
older than that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Yeah, And that's the other thing.

Speaker 8 (01:16:24):
Yeah, like with guys, obviously improvements in health and medicine also,
these guys can obviously go for much longer. Yeah, definitely
get pushed out and a lot of the guys who
are you know, in their twenties and stuff like that,
whereas in the past, this would have been your time
to being like your prime face of the company type thing. Like,
you know, we think back to the Rock when he was,

(01:16:47):
you know, in his prime when he was the face
of the company.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
He was in his late twenties.

Speaker 8 (01:16:53):
He was in his late twenties when he was that
when he was the guy when he came back and
you know, and his uh Hollywood after his Holly career
started to take off and he was in and out
that was rocking his thirties. So, you know, obviously timetables
have been pushed out further because for reasons, and these

(01:17:16):
guys now who are in like their twenties, mid to
you know, mid twenties or so, they're the NXT guys
Now they're the next two.

Speaker 12 (01:17:23):
You don't get to the main roster till you're thirty three.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Now, right, Well, guys like yeah, timetable is completely changed
from what it used to be.

Speaker 7 (01:17:31):
Let's roll right into it. Actually, I'll play the button
for you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
Unfortunately, guys, a lot of people got fired. Let's talk
about that. I'll go down the list here. First on
the list, bron Stroman Dakoda, Kai, Shana Basler, Hayden carter A,
Katana Chance, Kora Jade g g Nolan, Eddie Thorpe, Riley Osborne,

(01:18:09):
Jakara Jackson, Joe Coffee, Mark Coffee, Wolfgang or Mensaiah, Jeff Javier,
I'm gonna butcher these fucking names, Javier Burnal. These are
all guys on I don't even know half these people. Yeah,

(01:18:30):
and SHATSI it said her contract was not renewed. Uh
espn also know that Kira Jackson, Riley Osborne, and Eddie
Thorpe may have been released. Uh yeah, wow, that's a lot.
I mean, like a lot of these guys. They didn't

(01:18:51):
do much with Brown. They had him played Bronson Reed
and Jacob two for a hot minute poort Dakota, I
like just falling through the acts of everybody and damage
control basically, you know, rising her funds.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Just between the Yeah mm hmm, that's what I know.

Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
They really recently released Sony Deville, so once they got
rid of her and Zoe Stark. So yeah, Zoey started, so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
It starts the only one left from pussy right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:19:30):
Uh yeah, I can't believe they dropped Kayden carn and
Katana Chance, like the one female organic tag team.

Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
You know, they came off from the one tag team
they had on the roster that was a legitimate from
the ground up tag team in their whole women's division.

Speaker 7 (01:19:56):
Uh they I can't believe they dropped Coura Jade and
uh you know, oh wait wait this this is justin
Uh guys, Courdorate has started only fans the route you
go most people go when they leave WWE, it's it's

(01:20:16):
like sink or swim, you know, like can can you
make it out there on your own? So you get
these guys go to TNA, which is now w W
A Jason or they go over to a W the
what people think is the competition. So there's it's nice

(01:20:36):
that like in this industry, like in this you know,
twenty twenty five, there's still other places you can go.
It's not like, well that's it. I'm fucked, you know,
like I got nowhere else to go. So it's nice
to see.

Speaker 12 (01:20:52):
Uh wait, hell, I mean you don't even need to
be on either of those shows.

Speaker 10 (01:20:55):
I mean, like Cardona I think does pretty well from itself,
not peering for in those companies, right, I mean I
guess occasionally he pops up here and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
There but yeah, he's like the d king now, yeah, right.

Speaker 7 (01:21:09):
In fact, I wonder if he's waiting for WW to
call him back.

Speaker 8 (01:21:17):
But it sounds like I don't know that he's waiting,
per se. I mean, well, I guess I don't know
that he's waiting, per se. I don't think he would
turn down the call if it comes. But he's probably
also just as good if they don't call, yeah, because
he knows that, you know, whenever they do come, whatever
they do call for him, he's gonna he's gonna rake

(01:21:38):
him over the coals.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Yeah, because you're like, you're not you understand who you
on the phone with. Now, You're not on the phone, right,
You're not on the phone with Zach Ryder.

Speaker 8 (01:21:50):
You're on the phone with Matt Cardona. You know the
prices up for me, so pay me what I'm worth.
Or he's perfect, he's perfectly fine with doing what he's
been doing.

Speaker 10 (01:22:05):
But I mean, you know, every every year when they
do this, there's always a couple of names are like surprising.
And you know, out of this group you just mentioned,
there would be one or two at least that goes
and does that and reinvents themselves or gets better or
whatever that makes their name worth more and they'll.

Speaker 12 (01:22:24):
Be back in two years, three years, whatever it is.

Speaker 10 (01:22:27):
I think if Dakota Kai can stay healthy, I think
she's probably your best candidate out of that crop.

Speaker 12 (01:22:34):
That could be back in a you know, two years,
three years, whatever it is.

Speaker 7 (01:22:38):
Do you know who got fired?

Speaker 12 (01:22:41):
Yeah, but every time she seemed like she got something going,
she fucking blew her knee.

Speaker 8 (01:22:45):
You know, just like ah accept accepting this most recent
run because she's not injured right now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
She's perfectly healthy.

Speaker 8 (01:22:53):
She had the fan support at the end of the
UH the women's in a continental chip ship tournament, like
going into that final match with Lyra, the fans were
clearly behind Dakota and wanted Dakota to win it, and
they chose Lyra and then did nothing with Dakota after that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
But yeah, I would I agree with you.

Speaker 8 (01:23:15):
She's definitely the out of all the ones who've been fleeted,
she's definitely the best candidate to come back bigger than
what she was when she left.

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
Our roster.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:23:28):
You know, Cody Rhodes left as Stardust, came back the
American Nightmare. You know. Drew McIntyre I think is the
best example with the man that that guy got fired
and when he came back, man he was I was like, dude,
put this guy in the fucking main event, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:23:51):
And right now, right now as we speak, we talk
about it. Last episode, Uh, Tony storm over an ad
DeBie right now, she's she got to go a couple
of years ago because her characters just went nowhere was
dull and like looking at her now on aw, you know, m.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Definitely some people.

Speaker 8 (01:24:15):
I've heard a lot of people say that they're surprised
by braun Stroman's release, which he did not surprise me
at all when he got released, just because he was
on TV. He wasn't looking good on TV. He wasn't
doing much. I've heard apparently he's like partially he got
partial paralysis in his left leg, and apparently some information
just came out about I guess the circumstances of his release,

(01:24:37):
Well one it being money compared to usage, which were
out of ballance, like they were paying him way more for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
The little amount of use he's gotten.

Speaker 8 (01:24:49):
But supposedly I guess he's been released but still has
an open door policy with them, so it's like we
released you, but we can call you, we'll call you
back and still bring you in at any time that
we would like to. So I guess he's on a
feature type thing with him. I guess similar to what. Yeah,

(01:25:11):
obviously he doesn't have a deal deal with him, like
a Legends deal or anything like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
That, although I wouldn't rule that out after a certain
period of time, but probably one of those things where
you're not under this contract.

Speaker 8 (01:25:21):
That we had anymore. But obviously, if we ever want
to bring you in, we'll bring you in and pay you.
So if they you know, if braun Stroman comes back
and they want to do a you know, revisit the
broun Stroman I mean not bron Truman, h Bronson Reid.
If he comes back and they want to revisit the
Bronson re braun Stroman feud again, they'll call up braun

(01:25:43):
and have him come work a program like that and
then be gone. So I guess that's probably the best
for him right now, especially if he's dealing with physical limitations,
because let's not forget he did have a pretty significant
neck injury.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
That put him out for over a year. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:02):
Yeah, so I mean there's that the ones that again,
like I said before, Cayden and Katana. That one surprised me,
and that was why I said in the beginning of
this podcast, I'm so fuck this women's tag division because
it makes no sense for you to release the one

(01:26:23):
tag team on your roster that was a pure tag
team from the ground up. You released them. You released
Gigi Dolan and when she was in a tag team
featured together you released earlier this year. He released Jakara

(01:26:44):
out of Metaphor, which you know where they were a
tag team.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Broke that up.

Speaker 8 (01:26:48):
Granted, last Legend was clearly the biggest star of the two,
but you never really gave them much of a shot
on the main roster with the tag division you released
earlier this year.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Isla Dawn when her and Albufire were in the tag
team together, broke that upaka.

Speaker 12 (01:27:07):
The Secret The Secret Harvest is pretty fucking fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Yeah, Like, it makes no sense with any of the
stuff that they're doing. It just.

Speaker 8 (01:27:19):
You have the potential there for a tag team division,
but you just break it up left and right and
just decide that well, instead, we'll just take you to
random woman and who aren't doing anything and all are
a tag team now, so go do tag team things
and then put the title on somebody who's about to
go off to do Hollywood and just whatever, which seems

(01:27:44):
more like a business decision than a wrestling decision, because like,
all right, we want this person over in Hollywood. She
needs to be repping the brand, so put a belt
on her so that way she could be out there
in LA and Hollywood and all set taking pictures with
the belt and put the brand out there. Fuck the division, like, yeah,
at this point, I'm done with the women's tag duping division.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
I do not care about it at all anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:28:06):
According to Wrestling Observer, essentially the cuts are being made
because a lot of it has to do with the
guys and women getting up in age and they're looking
for people who are not going to be who are
not going to use it well compared to their salary
going forward. Many of these cuts were perceived as not
working hard in training, and if you don't work hard
in training, there's so many people who do.

Speaker 8 (01:28:29):
And that is this point if this and that was
being refuted by a number of women, number of people
who got released. Gigi Dolan refuted that I think or
Jade refuted that I saw the term lazy.

Speaker 7 (01:28:41):
The ones who are lazy are going to be gone,
and the ones who didn't stand out are going to
be gone. Yeah yeah, I heard about that with you know,
people talking about how they do train, and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:28:57):
I don't know that I fully buy that maybe some
people on the roster. I'm not saying that all of
them were, you know, doing their one hundred percent most
Maybe there's some validity to some of that, but the
story was presented as if it was like a blanket
excuse for the majority of them, So I will completely

(01:29:17):
write it off. Maybe some people in that list did
fall in that category, where the others may have fallen
in other categories. That's usually the case with stuff like that.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
Huh, what else did I have? Besides they got off
of fire ends this seasonal comes up here? Oh my goodness,
did you guys hear?

Speaker 12 (01:29:47):
I do think one last thought on the fire they
really could space it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Out a little better.

Speaker 10 (01:29:54):
I think after announcing all this, oh this is the
greater Fresh from Ania ever because we made so much money.

Speaker 12 (01:30:00):
But then I guess it wasn't enough to keep these.

Speaker 11 (01:30:03):
People employed, right.

Speaker 12 (01:30:05):
It just seems like a really, really.

Speaker 8 (01:30:08):
It's a bad look. It's a bad look as bad
pr like you have. Yeah, you're coming fresh off your
biggest show of the year. You do all that, like
you said, you do all those bragging about record numbers,
this that a third and then Black Friday happens less
than a month later.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:30:23):
I mean, like, I guess it's a business. I get
you have to make decisions like that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
I get it.

Speaker 10 (01:30:28):
But it's just like, it's just when you on one
side of your mouth you're talking about how great, how
much money you're making hand over fist, and on the
other side of your mouth you're fired people.

Speaker 11 (01:30:37):
It just yeah, it doesn't stick.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Well with me. No, and that's never a good look
for any roster or for any company.

Speaker 12 (01:30:49):
Yeah, any company is ever wrestling whatever, whatever company.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Yeah, fellas, did you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:58):
Know that on the fifth May fifth we got a
new speed champion h and Medicando beat Dragon Lee. It's
a fantastic guys, this is absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 8 (01:31:16):
I hope one thing I care about in WWE less
than the women's tag division Speed.

Speaker 7 (01:31:25):
Yeah. I mean it's funny because actually the rains in
days like listen to this, Ricochet had forty two days, right, oh,
here comes a car pass my house. I'm wonderful anyway.
Ricochet forty two days, Andrad one hundred and fifty nine days.

(01:31:47):
Dragon Lee had one hundred and sixty eight days. Pretty lengthy,
long title runs where these guys is quick, can't can't
grab them, can't get hold of them, can't find them.

Speaker 8 (01:32:00):
No, that's the timetable between that between Twitter payments for
this bullshit ass fucking belt.

Speaker 7 (01:32:09):
I want him to be the longest raining speed champion
of all time.

Speaker 8 (01:32:15):
It can't be the longest raining when your belt comes
in monthly installments.

Speaker 7 (01:32:22):
He's gotta be one hundred and six.

Speaker 11 (01:32:23):
I wonder how long?

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
How long is it gonna go on for this? Like
I got be the end of it.

Speaker 7 (01:32:36):
Summer, Sam, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, don't get
me wrong, I'm enjoying it, but yeah, we'll run it
scores oil and then we're gonna have to he's gonna
have to be.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Mass I can't see it going past the summer. Me too.

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
I just think it's just something goofy for the summer.
But he's got to evolve from this.

Speaker 12 (01:32:54):
Somehow, Like I still think it's funny.

Speaker 10 (01:32:57):
I predict there will be a day when I don't
think funny anymore, and then it'll be two months after
that that they'll finance.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
The only thing. The thing I wonder about now is
with the World's Collide.

Speaker 8 (01:33:12):
Show coming up this summer between w W E and
n X or the n X T and Triple A,
are they gonna Are they gonna somehow try to shoehorn
Grande Grande Americano.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
When that ship.

Speaker 12 (01:33:26):
Guy, I hope so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
And if so, how's that gonna go over?

Speaker 12 (01:33:37):
Gable versus I almost said vampero vikingo U and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Ring standpoint, I mean, yeah, fucking diamonds, that's a diamond.

Speaker 8 (01:33:48):
Match waiting to happen. I just wonder about it from
a from more of a PR standpoint or or a
perception standpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
But you'll see throughout that.

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
Speaking of p R, they're gonna have to deal with
some of that, maybe possibly when bringing back this superstar
they brought back Alberto del Rio, the controversial woman be there.

Speaker 10 (01:34:20):
Bring back is kind of a misnomer, definitely, I think yeah.
I think that they somebody described it as a similar
to when they bought w c W, when they kind
of yeah, I think that's kind of all that's happened here,
so don't expect to.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
See about to just suddenly pop up all row next
week or nothing like that.

Speaker 7 (01:34:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:34:44):
Yeah, when is that show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
Worlds Collide? Yeah, we look it up real quick.

Speaker 7 (01:34:56):
He's got a beer too, because I would.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
What that.

Speaker 7 (01:35:00):
I said, Alberto del Rio's got a beard. Now, I
don't know if anybody saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Yeah, but he's also there.

Speaker 10 (01:35:05):
I think he's their champion. I would imagine that the
Triple A champion will be on that show. I'm just
wondering they're gonna get them. I'm sure they'll get the
belt off of him before.

Speaker 8 (01:35:17):
That June seventh, that is a month right around, literally
a month from now in Inglewood, California.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah, I mean, I.

Speaker 12 (01:35:33):
Would imagine they're gonna have to get the belts off
him before that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
What the funk? Am?

Speaker 8 (01:35:37):
I know you would think so, because I can't imagine
them doing like Triple A World Champion versus n XT
World Champion, like Alberto del Rio versus I mean, I could.

Speaker 10 (01:35:49):
See them doing that match, but I mean, champion versus
champion is not working with Alberto de Wria.

Speaker 8 (01:35:57):
Right, No, no, yeah, I I'd be shocked if they
do something like that because that man's name is still
toxic a F yes and if and obviously since w
w E you know Triple A, they have outright bought

(01:36:19):
Triple A, which means they can very much exude creative
control over whatever they want there, I could they could
very easily mandate like, Okay, this guy's a champion.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Who's the number two? All right? That guy's champion.

Speaker 7 (01:36:31):
Now we have so many now, like we're gonna have
to start on NXT Mexico or something like WENNA.

Speaker 12 (01:36:42):
I think there's there's already talked that they're going to rebrand.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
We have nx T Mexico. It's called Triple A.

Speaker 10 (01:36:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's just well there's a rumor that
they're going to rebrand it as such, whether whether that
happens or not.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
N x T Underground, oh like that nx NXT Lucha.

Speaker 7 (01:37:12):
Yeah, then will be their first champion and then we'll
have Dirty show up over there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
With his will you stop? Hey, come on, holy.

Speaker 7 (01:37:27):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Total fucking sidebar.

Speaker 8 (01:37:30):
But while we've been recording this whole time, talk about
it totally not wrestling related, But while we were recording
this podcast, I've had the next Celtics Game one in
the background, and I swear the last time I looked,
Boston was up by like double digits. I just turned back,

(01:37:50):
turned my head and saw that the Knicks one ninety
one to ninety and r up two.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Oh what the fuck happened?

Speaker 12 (01:37:58):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
I just knew Boston Like, Okay, Boston got this game.
I ain't gonna pay atten. I ain't gonna turn my
head no more. Back fucking Boston. Oh God, as a
as a Lakers fan in Boston, the hater that makes
me so happy, Well it ain't but yet true true,

(01:38:24):
technically it's not.

Speaker 11 (01:38:26):
Fucking caves are down to out right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:38:31):
Back to wrestling, the same things blew a huge lead
at home game they did.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
They did Alvin's man fucking holler. Burton cooked the ship
out the dude when he hit that three mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
Well that's all I got for like news and rumors
and stuff besides uh yeah, I mean, you guys want
to bring up you want to talk about.

Speaker 8 (01:38:58):
I think this upcoming this upcoming Monday, all raw, We're
getting a one on one match at EO Sky at
Rox and Perez.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
I am definitely looking forward to that because, as I
mentioned before, the little bit of interaction that they had
in that tag match at NXT. They got some in
ring chemistry. They gonna cook in that match.

Speaker 7 (01:39:16):
Yeah. How about Paul Haymen's promo this week where I
thought he was gonna have a stroke?

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Oh boy?

Speaker 8 (01:39:23):
Yeah, I still need to go back and watch RAW because,
like I said, I came in in the middle of
like I came into somewhere in the middle of the
second half of the show. Yeah, yeah, but honest. But yeah,
we're on the subject of that. Where do we think
that Do we think they're gonna add a third person

(01:39:43):
to the stable, because the way we're all ended seems
like it's setting up a on one side, Jay Us
see him Punk and Sammy say, and then on the
other side is Seth Rollins, bron Breaker and Paul Hayman
and Paul ain't no fucking wrestlers.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
So yeah, it seems primed that we might be doing
a little bit of three on three for a while.
And if so, who would be the third person that
they would introduce? I didn't. I don't think it needs
it right now, but it almost seems like they're trying.

Speaker 8 (01:40:16):
To head that lean that way, unless unless Jay's gonna
slide out of this feud and he's gonna be punking
Sammy dealing with Rollinson breaker Or do they briefly form
an alliance with Logan Paul is their third guy temporarily

(01:40:39):
while Paul is pursuing the title from Jay.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Do they go that route that seems less interesting?

Speaker 7 (01:40:49):
I mean there's there's a couple of heels out there
that are I guess you could say, running solo, that
aren't doing much. We have a returning Alistair Black with
I would kind of like to know where his direction
is after fighting the Miz, you know, like we talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
You know, well he's a baby face now too obviously
given the crowd reactions.

Speaker 7 (01:41:10):
Yeah, but wouldn't be too hard real quick. But you
know you got him, you got you got. We discussed
Russa already and nauseam uh. Who else? I think a
lot of people say, you know, we talked about Austin theory.
I didn't, and I still don't think that's a thing.

Speaker 8 (01:41:30):
Yeah, I mean, if there, if somebody was going to
join us, the third is somebody who would need the
rub or need the benefit of being affiliated with seth
And and Paul Hayman, which Obviously, bron Breaker is gonna
benefit from that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
Truth he told Austin Theory probably is the most prime
candidate for it. But I also think Austin Theory should
probably get a babyface run. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
Yeah, you know what else I thought about? Who hasn't
who's been out for a while, uh since War Games?
How about Bronson Reid?

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
That would not spide me, It wouldn't surprise.

Speaker 7 (01:42:18):
It's a big boy.

Speaker 8 (01:42:20):
He's a big boy. I just don't know if he
needs to be along side bron Breaker a lot of bronze.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Yeah, I can hear.

Speaker 7 (01:42:37):
San pointing the Paul, you know, like he's got the brains,
I got the bronze. Oh fuck me, that's that's awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:42:49):
Yeah, I'm still mad he got fucking injured because god
damn it, bron Breaker, I mean, Bronson Read and Jacob
Pots who just looked like a fucking tag team for
the ages. Yeah, he was just starting to get interested, right,
Remember how we all reacted when he showed up and
it was like, holy shit, blood line two point zero
finally looks interesting?

Speaker 7 (01:43:08):
Is when King Kong Guyzilla fucking team up together. You
know that's what it felt like.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Damn.

Speaker 8 (01:43:15):
Imagine where that stable could have been, could have been,
could be now had they not gotten injured, they might
have actually been on WrestleMania.

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
Yeah all right, man, I mean that's all I got
for tonight. You guys, dre you want to plug anything.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Nothing as always Instagram, dot Com, slash PCW podcast, check
us out into the discord.

Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
We have a voice channel now because fucking Microsoft and
teens futch people for more than a hour unless you
subscribe to him. So we have a voice channel now.
Maybe we'll take advantage of that and use it for
some other things. Maybe just random open chats on them
random Saturday night or live chat during the PLS or something.

Speaker 7 (01:44:05):
Yeah, I can use the pl chat I like.

Speaker 10 (01:44:09):
So, Doyle, I can't believe I let Bill Gates put
this micro chip in me for nothing. Uh yeah, just uh,
I'm in the discord like the Facebook page and despite
the factor down in an O two hole, let's go
fucking tempics.

Speaker 11 (01:44:27):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:44:28):
And with that, uh said Doyle, this is for you, buddy, your.

Speaker 5 (01:44:34):
Yes, you are the world's dumbest sign up a bit.

Speaker 14 (01:44:46):
The fact that day in and day out, for almost
six years, I improved everybody in the world that I
am the best on this microphone in that break, give
it a commentary.

Speaker 11 (01:44:57):
Nobody can touch me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
You not pretty far God, because the street perfect, and
we watched the stuff yourn.

Speaker 7 (01:45:13):
Talk about your songs, talk about John three.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Sixteen, I step three sixteen says.

Speaker 5 (01:45:19):
I just whipped your ass.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Well, let me tell you something, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Far Oh my.

Speaker 6 (01:45:32):
New day, Queen raised to the top, Oh year my
true manness, year Water.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
To the top, and Owen Show.

Speaker 5 (01:45:44):
Lately he just hasn't been Harry Usey.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
Because I'm know this and I'm oh so.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
Those rotten rost.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
Bye bye. It's

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