Episode 86 Juvencio Valenzuela Interview!

Hey Hey Peeps! I get the chance to sit down with Juvencio Valenzuela Jr. from Sofa Kings Smarks Podcast!
We dig into his start and passion of pro wrestling and why he's a Smark like us. See what I did there?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, this is w W E and c W alumni
look blue meaning and you're listening to pc W.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
The question is, oh you let me talk to her.
I will give you a show like you have never
recovered streamed before a life because I can't.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
What do you guys want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
And the color red in a world.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
With the black and.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
White of world?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, the chacky? Are you?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls? Chilling of all ages?
Welcome back to another episode of PCW podcast Championship Wrestling.
I am your host, Wayne also known as Semi Dry Chicken,
and this is an interview episode. That's right. It is
not a predictions episode, is not a post show episode.
It is not even the bragget that I've been dying
to fucking get to. We're not even there yet. But

(01:53):
this is an interview and I liked him once in
a while. Bring some new peeps into the show, you know,
reach out to the wrestling community, find other marks like
us well from the podcast Sofa King Smarks. Let me
introduce them. Let me talk to Hooey. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yo, let me talk to you.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, man, introduce yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah, my name is My name is Hoovey, I one
third of the Sofa King smarks wrestling, UFC Sports in
Shenanigan's podcast. I've been doing the podcast for almost two
years now, twos. I just took a breakthrough for a
little bit, like maybe once a month now. But we
used to do weekly showings, and then wrestling got got

(02:49):
boring to to watch six hours of wrestling every week
got too boring for us for a little bit, so
we just did the like predictions and recaps and things
like that. So we do UFC Fight Nights and the
the UFC the the big pay per views we do.
Sometimes we live stream with each other watching together, some

(03:11):
live reactions things like that. Yeah, we have a lot
of fun. Three of us. We we all met through
the same uh face group Facebook group that that you
and I met through. Yeah, man, that community is uh
has helped me made a lot of wrestling friends.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah. I was gonna say, like, how how did it
even start out? You guys doing your own wrestling podcast,
you know, wrestling UFC. Like it's just you guys just
what just get together and talk about it all the time.
You're like, you know what, why don't we just press record?

Speaker 4 (03:42):
That's that's that's basically it. We uh, we were doing
fantasy football and then I didn't really watch UFC all
that much at that point, but the guys did, and
yeah we should. Like we just you know, we met
through a podcast podcast group. We listened to the same
podcasts talk about it. Let's let's have our own input.

(04:02):
I was like, all right, let's do it. Let's see,
let's see how long we could do this for. And yeah,
we're going on two years strong and hopefully go longer
than that.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, dude, I mean, dude, that's awesome. It's so cool
knowing that there's other people, you know, like us who
just want to get together and just shoot the ship
about wrestling. Like you know, I'm want to play the
uh the sound bite, but you know, fucking Mark, we're
fucking mars Man, Like we're so like, you know, h
every day people I think about that term, you know,

(04:32):
Marx and it's like, I am a fucking Mark. How
why I have my own fucking show? Like that makes
me a fuck I have? We have wrestling merch now,
you know, like for a podcast like that, we're marx
Man through and through. Like that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
I know, yeah, I mean hence our hence our names marks,
you know, because that's I love it. We are We're
just we're just fucking fucking marks.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I mean, like I would like to get the rest
of the guys from your show over here. We've got
to have like a collab.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
You guys got good chemistry, so you guys definitely are
fans of the product, you know, But it's so much
to take in. Uh, you know, like wrestling all week
like between like basically every day of the week. Uh,
there's something of wrestling on and to cover all that

(05:24):
week to week that you know, some people listeners just
don't understand how difficult that is.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's brutal, dude.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, Like we might be able to cover like Raw
and smack Down, but like to cover like NXT, awtn
A and everything else in between, and then people, you know,
they want news on ends. It's like I just can't
do it. I gotta have a life, like you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, for us, it's it's like I don't have a life,
so I can I can legit just sit there and
watch wrestling.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah I can't.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
I can't do aw man, I just oh yeah, do it.
NXT I as soon as NXT two point always started,
I kind of just jumped the ship there. I didn't
really want to I want to keep going with it.
As soon as you know, Undisputed Era left, I was like,
I'm done with NXT and TNA uh TNA. I watch
it every now and then. I don't keep up with

(06:18):
it a weekly, but once or twice a month for
pay per views. I definitely watched those. But yeah, aw
A just I think aw sucked the life out of
watching all the other promotions.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
For me, Yeah, it can be draining like that. Like
I was like a big fan of NXT until Triple
H left the Black and Gold. Yeah, you're right. Then
we got to two point zero. Then I kind of
fell off NXT for a while. TENA. I'm always keeping

(06:50):
my ear to the ground because we're doing more and
more business with TNA WW as a whole. So it's like, okay,
now I'm keeping my ear to the ground a little
bit more for He's this company. But aw, Like when
it started out, I recall myself, Yeah it was good.
I had two TVs on. I have NXT on and

(07:12):
living room and AW on in the dining room, and
I would be watching both shows, and I wanted, I
guess at the time, I wanted the nostalgia feeling of
the Monday Night Waters and I was not getting it.
You know, uh now what I expected. They kind of
don't find each other as much as a threat with

(07:34):
with the numbers, game and views and whatever, but they're
still around.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I definitely enjoyed AW when it first started because everything
you just said it felt like WCW and I was
always a WW guy over a WW guy during the
Midnight Wars.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, so it.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Felt it felt nostalgic to me. I mean, me and
my kid went to Full Gear twenty twenty one in Minneapolis.
I than that I and I live in At that time,
I was living in Phoenix, Arizona, so I flew across
the country to go see you know, Hangman Page beat
Kenny Omega for the title and it was amazing. It
was great, right, and then Cody left and Tony Kan

(08:16):
started booking, and it was just what are you doing?
That's where That's where I was just like, I have
to get out of this because it's just painful to watch. Well,
since the matches are great, but the story, the storytelling
is just oh god.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Over absolutely because now we've seen what to me felt
like the Thanos Snap. You know, after that five years
in aw those guys who signed those five year contracts
were finally released, and you know we're seeing like guys
like Rusif come back, guys like Alistair Black come back.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
You know that Snap is over showing up in NXT
and he says that means that.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
I love that, and you know as a whole, like
you think about it as like an employee. It's like
the last time these guys were here, Vince was in charge,
and now you know, you come back and say, oh, well,
you know now Triple Ah's in charge, so different boss.
So you know, maybe that's why a lot of these
guys came back. I think that's that's great. Uh, It's

(09:21):
it's always kind of fun seeing wrestlers go for one
show to the next. It's kind of exciting. It's always
sad when you find out like the wrestler leaves and
then they kind of don't come back and the wrestling
business at all. They just leave wrestling all together. And
that's that's rough as a fan because there's so many
outlets to wrestle for. I mean, gods, Zach Ryder still

(09:45):
not back in the company, still just killing in the
d scene. Or Matt Cardoner, I should say.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
I cannot stand Matt Carder. Oh my lord, don't get
me started on Matt Cardoner.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Well, thank god he I mean wonderful. I mean so.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I am, but I don't. I just don't like the
character that of zach Ryder Macrdona as a person. I'm
glad he's doing great. He seems happy doing the indie scene.
I mean, he's married to beautiful woman. Good for the guy,
But it just says the character as the wrestler. I just, man,
I just I hear his name and I just cringe.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Man, hear his name. Man, you will cringe.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I get I get teased a lot by him, by
by by the rest of the guys. They got a
cameo for my birthday from Matt Cardona.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
No, that.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Made the thing that made me mad the most is
that he pronounced my name right, and I was livid. Man.
That's a good. Good job, guys, good job getting cameo.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Igot about cameo, you know what, Like I think it
was a couple like maybe like a month or so.
I was on cameo just looking at like what wrestlers
were there. It's like, man, we pay them to say
some ad, you know, space for PCW. But yeah, it's
crazy the world we live in. Like now you do cameos, yeah,
from just like sitting in your own living room, you know.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we I get a cameo for
for Nate, one of one of my co hosts, because
he's a big nick Age fan. So every year I
get him a nick Age cameo. So he you know,
he's happy with that. But yeah, man, some people just
charge ten bucks to do some kind of whatever and
and you know that's ten bucks in your pocket. You

(11:34):
didn't have, so good for them, I know.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So I want to dig in here about you as
a as a wrestling fan. So was there like, was
there like a match that you saw? Was there a
certain wrestler that made you fall in love with professional wrestling?
Like what was it that got you into it? Did
a family member watch it that you got hooked on it?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Like yeah, let's go from the beginning. So, so my
dad was a big, big Triple A fan. He because
I'm Mexican, and you know, my dad was born in
Mexico and and that's what he grew up with this
triple A triple Uh well, he didn't grow up with
a triple A. Triple A was around like ninety ninety two,

(12:16):
I think is when it started ninety one. But he
was into the whole you know, Mexican wrestling, lotchor wrestling.
So he introduced me to my first, my first wrestling
experience on TV and it was as a matter of fact, Octagon,
not Jr. But the actual, the original, the og Gone

(12:36):
and ever since that, just watching him wrestle and in
triple A was just like man, it captivated me. And
then we'd go to Mexico when I was you know,
I was a kid, I'd go to Mexico and you know,
buy his action figures things like that. And then we
went to a a w W w w F at
the time live event and I got to see Bretta

(12:58):
him man Heart wrestle and that got me hooked into
w W or w w F. So that being said,
you know, I have him rent me movies from the
video store, watched the old WrestleManias, the Hokgans, Macho Man.
So I was just like, man, I need more of this.
So me and my brother would always watch that. We'd
save our allowance money and rent video games, rent the

(13:21):
movies on Friday nights and we just, you know, after
the after we watch a match, we'd go in the
living room and and and you know, put blankets on
the floor and that was our ring and we'd wrestle
the hell out of the of each other after, you know,
mimicking Jerry Lawler versus Brett Bretta him man Heart or
Bob Beckler versus Brett Hard because we were both pretty

(13:43):
hard fans at that time. So yeah, man, that that's
where it's them from just watching a triple A, which
is ironic since you know they got taken over by
w W. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, I was gonna say that. It's always nice having
a sibling that watches wrestling with you, especially when it's like,
you know, a brother, so it's like, oh yeah, somebody
to either be your tag team partner or somebody you
can beat the crap out of. Uh yes, yeah, like
I recall it. Yeah, me and my brother always hurting
each other doing some backyard wrestling crab. You know. One

(14:17):
of the listeners of the show Ron, Me and him
used to always wrestle as kids and like hurt each
other all the time. Don't try this at home. It's
like cool, Okay, I'll try this at somebody else's house then,
so yeah, I won't. Yeah, I remember that guys, don't
try this at home, but try at somebody else's house
who has maybe a trampoline pool with a diving board.

(14:38):
You know, I don't know, can it be bed?

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like My first experience with backyard with the backyard wrestling was,
believe it or not, was with the Young Bucks. Oh, okay, cousin.
Because I'm I'm from southern cal So, so I went
to my cousin's house one day and then they have
this whole backyard thing set up. And at that time

(15:04):
I didn't know who they were. But until, you know,
until later in life, I realized that it was the
Young Bucks that they were. I was watching the Young
Bucks wrestle before they were even the young Bucks because
they were just hanging out with my cousin. My cousin
is one of their best friends. So it's like really young, yeah,
the kid Bucks at that point, and that got me

(15:24):
into the more like that started my markeism, I guess
you could say, is started seeing like how it worked.
You know, when they were practicing their moves things like that,
So I can't stand them the young Bucks nowadays either.
But yeah, there's a lot of things that there's a

(15:44):
lot of things that I hate. I get I get
teased on a lot. I like to look at things
everything with an open mind, but then I realized I
ended up paying everything anyways, find out the truth.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, man, but it's nice to eat the voice your though,
you know, especially in the wrestling community.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I mean, yeah, we all hate something like there's no
there's no wrestling fan, wrestling mark that doesn't hate anything
from wrestling. That's why. That's what makes wrestling so beautiful
as a as a whole, because you can have your opinions,
you can have your discussions. Sometimes they get heated, sometimes
they're very friendly. They sway you a certain direction. So
oh yeah, it's a great community.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Anytime we bring up any kind of female wrestlers, it's
always it's right away. I get shipped for who I
like who, Why, the style that they wrestle, how shitty
they are. Don't worry, man, Dre just like dumps it.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
On me.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
If it's Charlotte or Nikki Bella that I like. I mean,
Jerre will find a way to ship on my parade.
But uh, you know, right rightfully, so where where is deserved.
But uh, you know, I'll call out the bad spots
and stuff with some of the female wrestlers I like.
But yeah, dude, it's it's I regardless. I still like

(17:02):
to stand my ground on my opinion on certain wrestlers.
And I don't change my opinion because you know it's
the Yeat flavor of the month or you know, everybody's
on the Cody Roads wag you know wagon like I
sometimes you just you know, believe in what you believe in.
Man Like you like the wrestler why because they have
a great gimmick, they are great in the ring, or

(17:25):
you know, there's just a good person overall, a good worker,
you know, Like yeah, you know, I like, I respect
people who work hard in the business that you know
that they may not be getting all the w's, but
they're they're putting over.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Talent, you know, because a lot of times as fans,
we forget that, you know, aside from being entertainment from
their world, it's a job and every businesson has a
job role and some some person some people their job
role is to put other people over. It's just a job,
it's to take that one special if they bump and

(18:00):
catering like and as fans sometimes we forget that that's
the nature of the business as well, is that you
need you need your jobbers, you need your your catering,
you need your main inventors. And you know, we were
just spoiled. We want everything the way we wanted and
I mean, yeah, we were weigh it.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's it's crazy to think too that. Like I heard
the other day that on you know, just general like salaries,
if you're on NXT, it's roughly two hundred and fifty
k a year. And you know, think about guys, like
think about guys like a cartwa That man is still
in the roster after so many people get cut, right,

(18:39):
this guy gets very some TV time. Right now he's
hanging out with two hot blondes. But like, just think that.
I mean, that guy's not that guy's not winning titles,
he's not winning money in the bank, not made of
any of wrestling mania. But that man is getting a
consistent fucking paycheck and as much shit as any of
us will give him, he's making probably more than both

(19:01):
of you and me combined, you know what I mean?
Like the lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, the reason is because he has a role. He
has a job duty there and that's what people don't understand.
I enjoy it to Zawa no matter how long this
segment is. He I mean like he's there to work
and you can tell he works hard even though he
when he has what ten seconds fifteen seconds of spotlight time,
but he's still he's still out to performing. He's still

(19:27):
out there taking bumps stuff that you know most people
aren't doing. Yeah, so cool, that's true.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
So like right now in the in the company, who
is your newest favorite wrestler like upcoming young meat, I
should say, I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I've I've been a fan of Ricky Starks for Okay,
I am a Ricky Starks guy, and obviously Ricky Saint's
kind of guy now, but when he when he got
buried in aw that that kind of stung a little
bit and made me hate the company even more. But
you know, at the in the day, it's one of
those things where you know they know what they're doing

(20:03):
on there, and but yeah, Ricky, I do love, I
do enjoy Ricky Stark's. Man. I'm a huge Stephanie for
Care fan. Like I said, watch. I watched, I watched,
I watched a lot of Mexican wrestling because I actually
live in Mexico, so it's on all the time over here.
So yeah, Mexican wrestling is where it's at right now.

(20:24):
It's it's growing, it's it's it's getting popular. So Stephanie
for carer uh persifone is a good female wrestler, like Adelina,
she's pretty good. She's pretty good female wrestler. Psycho clowns
your your mister Iguana, which is a new favorite. Yeah,

(20:46):
it's just amazingly Yeah, he he uh he he can move,
he can take the big he could do the you know,
the big spots. He he's uh acrobatic like he she's
he has everything he has, he has, he has the
he has. He's basically a a better version of Satina Morella,
like an actual better wrestler. He's he's a he's a

(21:09):
fun gimmick, but he can actually do things in the ring,
which is great. So yeah, yeah, I all those guys,
A lot of those guys I'm huge fans of.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, like I I like the ones your name and
you know for me, like, uh, I know some of
these people have some history in a W but for
somebody who doesn't watch a W religiously at all. So
some of these guys coming over from AW is new
to me and they're being built up properly. One of

(21:40):
them for me is Penta. I I this guy had
man since he's been to w W. He's just you know,
he he doesn't have a title yet, but he's been
pushed up into that scene, mixing it up with some
main inventors. And uh, I mean hell he did. He

(22:01):
was great at money in the bank. I mean uh
I I got my eyes in the sky future like
main inventor. You know, Jacob Fatu, another one that just
like all gas, no brakes man like this guy is
going to be a main inventor. Uh.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
And Jacob comes with baggage like he does. He's not
coming with a good history behind him, you know what
I'm saying. Right for him to turn his life around
and and and be loved by millions of people, it's amazing, my, My.
The thing about Penta is so my mom watches wrestling.
We call her Mama Mark because she genuinely, genuinely believes

(22:43):
it's real. So she gets super into it.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
All right, So I will I will play this for
her then yeah, continue, Oh yeah, I tell I tell
her all the time.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
We so Penta before, right before Penta came to w W.
I live in a small town, a small border town
here in Mexico called Saint Luis in Sonora, and Penta
came here last May, and you know, we were talking
about this because, uh, you know, seeing him in a
crowd of one hundred people in this auditorium where we

(23:18):
you know, me and my mom sought second row and
then my son and I going to WrestleMania in Las
Vegas and seeing him wrestle in front of sixty thousand people.
It goes to show you, like how how much hard
work these wrestlers put into and how much they sacrifice
that we just kind of we kind of take it
for granted, like we don't sometimes we just don't care

(23:40):
where they come from. We just want to see them
on the TV. But you have to remember, like these guys,
these guys work their butt off, like they that that
that famous quote you know, you wrestled for handshaking the
hot dog, Like sometimes they did that. And now I'm
making you know, thousands of dollars and like you said,
he's he's not main eventing, but he man they bathe fastest,

(24:00):
one of the fastest rising stars in w W. Ever
mm hm.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Is there like a wrestler right now that like anytime
you see them on the screen, they make you smile,
they make you laugh. Is there any wrestler that really
sticks out for you like that? Uh? For me, yeah,
I mean we're gonna We're probably on the same page.
It's it's Our Truth for me, uh, it always. I
mean Our Truth has just been the comical piece for

(24:33):
the longest time I remember, like the ruthless aggression Eira,
I think for another person. For me with Santino, Uh,
just a comical relief, like the guy would just sometimes
like the cheesy shit really is hard for me to
laugh at. But there are times where like Santino or
Our Truth would do something and it would just it

(24:54):
would make me break, like it was just if.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
They have they have impeccable comedic timing. That's what it
is because in the same way, like some of the
cheesy stuff I don't care for, but our Truth just
knows when to deliver. Santino when he when he would
mispronounce the names of people, John China, when, when when
when when I saw TikTok when he showed all the

(25:18):
names he mispronounced. I was laughing like a dork for
a good five minutes straight just listening and watching that
video and repeat because it.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Was Oh my god, yeah, yeah, shamous and.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
John Chinna golden Dust, golden dust, It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I was saying even gold dust at some point like, uh,
just with the funny skits, oh yeah, yeay, even now, like, uh,
I don't know who we're gonna have really have for
that position because you kind of they kind of got
rid of the goofball role at the moment, like Carlito's

(25:58):
not there. Our truth is now Ron Killians is a
totally different wrestler now, I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Character change. I mean the only thing that that that
I can see that's comedic and we you know, we
talked about him just a little while ago as to
Zawa and otis theo's Are those are new comedy guys?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Now? Yeah, I mean, hey, if that's your position in
the company and whatever man gets, that's a that's a
big role because you're not yeah you're not you're not
a main event guy, but you're you're supplying laughs to people. Uh.
I would say, a good female version of that would
be Chelsea Green.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Chelsea Green is amazing. Her gimmick when she won the
US title is the President with the Secret Service. It
was great. I did not like that they took the
belt off of her because I thought she was doing
such a great job.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
But you know, yeah, I agree, but you know, sometimes
the chase is more, is more fun. Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
I was happy to that Selena Vega finally got a title.
You know, she's had a tag title, that's about it.
It was okay, well, she's not going to be a
main eventor like give her something else, like awesome United
States title. Uh, but you know that that's the start.
Only we're getting that too with the the Intercontinental title. Now.

(27:19):
I kind of figured at some point Bailey and Becky
Lynch are going to add that to their you know, repertoire, like,
you know, why not. You're a Grand Slam champion, keep
being a Grand Slam champion, like, so I gotta win
these minor titles.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
The The only thing that I don't like about what
they're doing with Becky and Bailey is, you know, back
in back in our back in our day, because I'm
turning I turned forty this year. So you know, I
watched wrestling and yeah, yeah, the US title, the TV title,
you know, the intercuntent of title, those were for rising stars.

(27:57):
Those are the guys were you know, they're getting ready
for the big push. We want to see if they
can do it, they can hold a championship and do
do well by it. Now they're kind of going backwards
and they want to make these titles a little more prestige.
But I like Becky doesn't need the title right now,
Like she needs to do her own thing, like her
coming in off of what our hiatus she was doing

(28:18):
and winning the belt off of Lira and then the
last time it happened, she did it off of Bianca
at Summer Slamming. That's just like, come on, you don't
you don't really need that, Like give me that that
man build up again. That was so much fun for Becky. Yeah,
for fans, and you know, just don't go backwards, keep
going and keep having some feuds and personal feuds. I
feel like we don't have those personal feuds like we

(28:40):
used to do anymore by a lot of the wrestlers.
I mean, we had what cmpunk Drew McIntyre Drew McIntyre,
Damian Priest, Like I want more personal some of those
personal matches we used to get back in the day.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I get it. Yeah, because like even now, I mean, uh,
it makes me notionals even thinking about it. But we
we we put the world title back on Gunther, which
I'm fine with. I love Gunther, great guy. I'm all
for it. I'm on the Gunther train. I've been since
nxc UK. I have not stopped. I've been behind this
men the whole way. But now we got Goldberg. Did

(29:15):
we really need to insert a world title in this
picture at all? Could we have not just done this
without them and keep on yeating through the rest of
the summer. But I mean that's another can of worms
we can definitely open.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
But I'll say this, like I was at the Money
Night Raw in Phoenix when when Gunther beach and should
when you know, leaving leaving the arena, it felt amazing
watching Gunther and the crowd just going crazy that he won. Yeah,
and you know, going on going on Twitter or Instagram

(29:48):
and just kind of seeing all the negative comments on it.
It's like you gotta remember sometimes that a lot of times, uh,
they make some of these matches in some of these shows,
they can it to the live crowd and not the
TV crowd because it translates different same thing, like like
like with Cody and sinat WrestleMania. You know, I was there.

(30:11):
I was there at WrestleMania this year and live. It
was amazing. It was such a great story that they
were telling in the ring when I watched it on TV. Yeah,
I understand where people are coming from, So I definitely enjoyed.
Good they're winning, But Goldberg just coming back for the title.
That's just a contract loss. That's all it is. And

(30:33):
we have to look at it that way, at least
at least I look at it that way, so it
doesn't piss me off.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Right now. Do you have like a comfort wrestler, like
a wrestler that like, no matter what match they're gonna
be in, what few, they're gonna be in your you
know it's gonna be decent. You know it's gonna be good.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Oh Man, Drew McIntyre, Mac, that's one.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
That guy can do no wrong. Right now. It sucks
that he's that he's legitimately injured and he and he
needs to break anyways because he's been constantly grinding for
the last few years.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
But I mean his his.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Promos with with C and Punk were fucking phenomenal. That
hell in the Cell was amazing. His his interactions with
Damian Priest were great. The set, the set stuff was amazing.
Like he he deserves to break and and I want
him back on the the title scene, something something big
for him.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, uh, that is definitely a good one. That's the
same because the man can cut promos. Uh, he will
wreck you on Twitter like he's great in the ring.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
And when he showed up in Chicago to with that
that bakery where seeing Punk gets his gets his uh
his uh muffins and stuff and show them to the
place to buy that dude, that was that was just
like on another level, like to play those mind games
and like in real life, it's just it's you know,

(31:59):
he's he brought back k Fabe for for his for
his for his interactions with the Punk, which is I
miss I miss k Fabe.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, I mean to unlock your iPhone first. You need
to unlock your iPhone first.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, trying to trying to ignore this phone call, getting.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Is there I should say, is there was there a wrestler.
You really missed the most working in w W. That's
not longer, no longer with the company.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I mean I've always been a Curd Angle fan when
yeah left to when when he left to t n
A and became peak Angle because you know, he doesn't
want to be called the other that. Yeah, that was
a phenomenal run in t n A. Yeah, and I

(32:53):
wish we got a glimpse of that towards the end
of his career in w W. I mean, the reason
why he was able to do all that stuff was
because you know, after the interview, all the things that
he did, but it was it was great to see
Kurt Angle wrestle uh in A in his second prime,

(33:15):
I guess in DNA, which I wish, I wish we
would have got that in w W. Yeah, bad was
pretty cool. But then you know, he's an older guy,
age gets you. You know, he had what you get.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, if they do end up buying you know, TNA,
they will absorb that video library and then you know,
all that just to me, it's like just inserting this
huge chunk of history of like holy crap, like Kurd Angle,
like not just that, like kurtent Angle. You know AJ styles,

(33:50):
you early AJ styles.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Like your money, I mean the X Division matches.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, they like some of these guys like early team stuff.
It's pretty damn sick. And it's crazy to think. I
recall as like a teenager thinking that like ten A
is going to like close any day now, like right,
like teen A's got a fold any minute now, like
depending who's in charge of it this week? Uh, And

(34:17):
now they're doing better than ever, So that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I think tn a's success was because they set the
bar so low that they just met expectations every week
according to you know, whatever whatever network they were on,
and he just kept the floating. It's good for them, man,
because you know, without that, without TNA, we really would
have gotten Ages Styles over and Bobby Rude over Next
Team and things like that. So they did they did

(34:42):
pretty well.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
I mean I have to say, like, if there's anybody
I miss right now, probably in WW, I do miss
Chris Jericho in WW, I miss Edge in WW. You know,
maybe now that Triple H is in charge, I feel
like it could be different if Dan Ambrose, John Moxley

(35:06):
ever comes back.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's just like a lot of these guys that yeah.
Like a lot of these guys who are over there,
I feel like, uh, you know, another one is Sasha Banks.
I feel like there's so much meat left on the
bone for these people in their careers in w W.
It's like when their contracts end in AW, I'm always
like secretly like, oh, come on, Like, if you're gonna

(35:30):
wrap up your career like Jericho, if you're gonna wrap
up your career, like, can you do it in WW,
like let them send like you if you're gonna be
sent off properly, man like, let WW do it. Like
the same thing with Edge, Like I felt the same
way about ed It, just like, let WW do this,
send you off?

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Like but yeah, I mean you you go back to
where you became, you know that person. You know, you're
Dean Ambrose, your Sasha Banks. Actually, some of these guys
that we're mentioning, they have their egos are too big,
you know, Like, yeahsh Banks, her ego is too big

(36:07):
to come back. Yeah, Dean Ambrose his his egos too
big to come back. And it's it's more of like,
you know, he wants his creative control, he wants to
do his own wrestling, and it's not it's not working
at a w and it's definitely not gonna work in WWE.
So so what do you so you Triple H doesn't
want that unfortunately. Will it make money, Yes, it will,

(36:29):
but it's it's more on Dean Ambrose's side or John
Montley's side at that point.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah. I mean, it's just it's been so long since
a handful of those wrestlers have been back in the company,
and I just feel like so much has changed within
the past like two years.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Of course, everyone's happy.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, everybody is happy.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
That's that's what That's what they're That's what everyone says,
and the on the Twitter world is that everyone's happy
being back age.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, that that I mean.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
And that's just like any other job, you know, an
any job that you and I work at. If you're
not happier at job, you're a miserable life.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
So yeah, should take this ship home.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Some people, Uh, what's the one thing you missed the
most in w W or I are maybe just in
pro wrestling in general.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Like the one thing that I miss the most, I
think I mentioned it's Kfabe. I wish I wish that
there was a way to kind of keep k fabe alive.
You know, similar wrestlers, like I mentioned Drew mcketizer. You know,
he's still he is known to be a very nice

(37:40):
and sweet guy, but in the Twitter world and in WWE,
he's just like this giant asshole. And I love it,
you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, it just works
so perfectly, and I wish I wish other wrestlers did that,
but a lot of times, and you know they are
you know, we have so much information in the palm
of our hands that you know, we're some of these

(38:02):
wrestlers are human. They want to react to some comments
or they want to react to some video they saw
on social media. So it kind of kills kay fame
in that point, and I missed that.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, I mean, like I guess the dawn of social
media is what really killed it, because I remember as
a teenager like trying to get any kind of like
dirt sheet news. It was like maybe like a handful
of websites and like that was it. And I mean, yeah,
there's like that's why we get so many unique stories now,

(38:34):
because like they're just the Internet wasn't what it is
today to get those kind of in the moment stories
on the roads, stories and moments. Yeah, it does suck.
It does look like you're you're seeing everything transparent now.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Like you.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
It is rough. Now that is kind of dead because
it's like, especially like the relationship ones, like what you
know when Dirty Dom obviously he has somebody in real life. Yeah,
he's you know, he's he has a wife. Ah, and
she's totally cool with what he does at work. Yeah,
lucky man.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
It's I mean, it's it's like it's like being married
to an actress or an actor. You have some kissing
scenes with the person of the opposite sss or whatever,
and you know they just got to live with it.
But I mean, other thing, when when when we were
talking about this one thing because you guys mentioned this
on the on the show last week, because when Oscar
was announced, is I missed the the mysterious just wrestlers

(39:39):
coming back with no with no announcement like most Yeah,
oh man, dude, if if like I love Goldberg in
w W, yeah yeah, And if they would just not
announce him and he would just show up I would
still pop. If he just showed up without being announced

(40:01):
on you know this past Monday, I would have popped.
Because I just love surprises. It could be it could
be Santino Morello or someone. It could be Jeff Hardy,
who I despise as well, and I will still pop
because he's back. You know what I'm saying, Like I
missed the surprises.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, that's true, being spoiled like days before the event.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Now it's just for them to sell more take its.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, I mean it does, which which doesn't make sense
because if you think about it, like wrestling, fans are
gonna go to your shows no matter what, because even
though you still have the you can still go to
a show and be surprised. I mean, we were all
surprised with Lunther being Jay, Like no one saw that.
I mean I kind of felt, you know, that he

(40:53):
was going to win it because they they they opened
a bunch of seats when when I was buying tickets
and I'm like, Okay, something BIG's happening. So I told
the kid, I was Roman's coming out or Goonther's winning
the title, because they just opened up like a thousand
more seats in the arena because they had covered like
a whole section off and then they just opened a

(41:15):
bunch of them more and I was like, something BIG's happening.
So you can still get surprised at some of the shows,
but you know, I still want that, you know, Oscar
coming back from injury surprised or or like in WrestleMania
where Becky Lynch came back, you know that was that
was pretty cool. Things like that I wish we had.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I also I missed the days where we didn't have
so much damn advertisement in the ring. Now we have
slipe in chairs and fireball ladders, prime stations.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
For me.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
I've I've I was disgruntled with it when it first
started happening, but I guess I'd made my piece because
there's no much No matter how much we piss and
moan about it, it's not going away. So I've I've
learned to make my peace with it and kind of
just ignore the logos. And I've definitely found myself enjoying
it better.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Right, Is there any like, what would you say it
was your favorite live event that you went to?

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Ooh, I definitely would have to say WrestleMania in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Oh shit, you went to one in Vegas? Like shit,
Oh did that's awesome?

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Yeah? Yeah? This this, no, this past, this, past a
few months ago.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Wow, oh that's awesome three months ago already. Yeah, I
mean yeah, wrestling wrestling time flies, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Yeah, because I'm thinking, like, was it forty one? Was
it forty I you know, and I can't remember what
it was, but yeah, yeah, yeah, wrestlming you're forty one
in Vegas?

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I wasn't planning on going. Yeah, Me and the boys
were thinking. Me and the boys were thinking about, you know,
saving up some money, and then we saw the ticket
prices were ridiculous and we're just like, you know what,
it doesn't make financial sense to go, especially Vegas being
so expensive. And my son, who's he's a he's a
avid wrestling fan. You know, he doesn't follow it, but

(43:16):
he'll watch it with me. And you know, we were
sitting down because he comes and visits me and here
in Mexico because he lives in Phoenix, Arizona, And I said,
what do you want to watch those on watch wrestling?
So I showed him the elimination chamber that the day
after it happened, and he's like, dad, he goes, no,

(43:37):
I was sorry. It was Monday night raw the promo
seeing the deliver on Monday Night Raw after Elimination Chamber,
and he told me, he goes, Dad, we gotta go
to WrestleMania, like we have to go see John Cena
before his last WrestleMania. So I'm thinking, like god damn it, Like,
oh man, I gotta figure out how I'm gonna get
these tickets. And yeah, I ended up going and it
was amazing because again I got to see wrestling with

(43:59):
my kid. You know, my dad was the one who
brought me to wrestling. I brought my kid. Got to
see seeing us potentially last WrestleMania or advertised last WrestleMania.
Got to see Stone Cold come out and crash before
he went up the ramp, which was amazing. Got to
see Joe Henry. It was it was. It was just
a phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Mo, Yeah, it's awesome. We yeah, we want to wrestle
at a forty in Philly. Yes, definitely, like bucket list,
greatest wrestling weekend of my life. Like I got to
go with my best friends, I got to go people
from the podcast. You know, I never thought that it
would actually happen, like you always dream about it as

(44:42):
a kid. You're like, man, it'd be so cool to
go like to a WrestleMania and then when you actually
purchased the tickets and you get there and you're standing
in that arena and you're just like holy shit, like
I am here, like we did it, like now, like
I'm in the book the history books, like I'm part
of the numbers here, Like I can go back anytime
and watch this and relive this moment because I did it,

(45:06):
Like yeah, yeah, I went back in. I was a
motorcycle going by my house, of course, very loud. I
was like, you know, I went to go watch as
soon as it was over because I experienced it vastly different,
you know, watching it, I was like, oh, yeah, well
I missed this match because I was in line for
an hour and a half trying to get a fifteen

(45:26):
dollars soda, Like yeah, but I always I'll always remember though. Yeah.
And I've been to like a bunch of rawls, a
bunch of smackdowns. I've been to any extreme rules, pay
per view royal rumbles. I want to do now. I mean,

(45:48):
now we're getting these two night summer slams Now. I's
like I feel like I I want to be a
part of that now too.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Where in the East coast. Are you guys located.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm Bill lives in Philly, and I'm
about an hour from Philly, and I believe Dre's down
in Virginia.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
So oh okay, so yeah, when I one of the
things that we've been doing for for our podcast is
me and me and Nate, my one of our co hosts,
we've been we've been meeting up at for Royal Rumbles.
So we went to the first road rumble we went
to together was the San Antonio one where Cody won. Okay,
and I had the brilliant idea since it was in Texas,

(46:29):
to dress up as cowboys and attend the Roy Rumble.
That's a big, big mistake because we looked like idiots.
I came to find out that nobody in San Antonio
dresses up boys, because that's more in the Dallas fourth
worst side that dresses up at cowboys. So we were
sticking out like sore thumbs. So we were like, you
know what, let's just watch. Let's just try to meet

(46:50):
up for us for Roy Rumbo every year. So these
last two roy Rumbles, we've been meeting up he because
he's he lives in Delaware. So you know, I land
in Philly when I go down there, and I got
to see Philly and got to eat a cheese steak
out there, and then just go to Delaware and watch
World Rumble with the boys.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Amaze, look at that, Like you'll be close to me
and Doyle man like, yeah, you have a big wrestling party.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Oh yeah, now that now that I know this, man
like this, don't like if I when I go down there,
because I do plan again, uh that I'll definitely definitely
want to meet up with you guys because this year
for this Roy Rumble, they're actually coming down to Mexico
to watch the Roll Rumble here in my house.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Whoa, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Yeah, international travel boys.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, and that's what's great about wrestling, man, there's just
fans all over the world. It's not just in the
United States. You know, like we we even for this podcast,
I see we get downloads from other countries, which is
kind of cool. Yeah, well you get a couple of
downloads when I go to Saudi. Uh, I was not surprised.

(47:56):
As much ship as I give them, I still got
a couple of downloads over there.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Hey, man, if they if like the way I see
it is if you're willing to hear us for a
few minutes, like, give us a try for a few minutes,
and if you like us, excellent, If you don't, you know,
thank you for listening. That's all trying to keep optimistic
on that end.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Oh absolutely, Like I know, uh, you know, I I
know we would probably get more listeners if we were
weren't explicit, and uh, you know, but I.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Fuck it. That's you know, that's that's the scenario we
find ourselves in because in our in our show, we
were we're very explicit. Yeah, I mean, it gets it
gets to a point where we're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Man, I should yeah, I mean, like our soundboard alone
is just here, here you go, but.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
You're also a piece of ship.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Go man yourself, fuck yourself. Yeah, yeah we haven't. My
my mother knew what my soundboard was being used for.
She would kill me. Is this what you do with
your free time? You just sit on the internet and
you curse? Yep. Yeah, that's why I know for sure.

(49:12):
I never let my I know, some family members listen
to my show, but I always said, don't let my
mom or my grandmother ever listen, you know. Yeah, that's
pretty much it.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
It's funny you say that because you know we we
do our show on YouTube, because we do, we do
a video recording, i'd say, yeah, and YouTube translates to
whatever language you want. So my mom actually got a
glimpse of what we do in the show, and she's like,
I can't believe you say half the things you say there. Yeah, right,

(49:46):
like like I'm just being myself and she goes, I know,
she goes, don't do that, You're gonna get in trouble.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Well yeah, yeah, Well still I'm on episode eighty seven
and we're still going strong. Nobody is like, you know,
kicked us out yet. We haven't been canceled yet.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
I do know. I do have.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Very small, very very tiny handful of small listeners. I
there's some of my friends. They are their kids. They
are like wrestling. They're like, you have a podcast. I'm like, yeah,
I do, Like I want to listen, Like yeah, fuck, okay,
Well that's go for it, man, Like I don't push

(50:28):
it too We don't push the bar too far like
some other wrestling podcasts that I know.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yeah, but uh, here, I think what I here's for.
This is my take on on on on this because
I have I have an eighteen year old now, and
I always told my son, like, look, I curse a lot,
because I can tell you, I can not curse in
front of you. The problem is is that the world
doesn't care if I curse or not. So you're gonna

(50:54):
go out there and listen to people curse, and I
don't want you shocked by that. So I'm going to
curse that way. It doesn't affect you. When you hear
someone curse her and say.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Anything bad, that's good.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Listen to it, like good for them. But I'm sure
they hear the worst things at school.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Mm hmm. That's that's so true.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
So I do try to keep it, you know, we
try to tone it down or when whenever we're we're
visiting other podcasts, but like you come to you come
to our show and it's it's there's no no holds
bar there. It's unsanctioned. As a wrestling term raw and uncut.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
It's raw. So have you met any like like professional wrestlers, Like,
is there like ones that you that you were you
know that really stick out.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
No, I'm not really big on meeting people like famous
people or wrestlers, So I don't really go out of
my way to to meet anybody. I've seen wrestler like
out and about, and yeah, I'll just you know, scare
of them in kind of like a wave or something
like that. But Ria Ripley was one. Penta was one

(52:09):
out here in Phoenix because there's a there's there was
a taco shop called Mascadores and it was basically a
tribute taco shop to Penta when he was Pentagon in
Triple A. So he was he was, he was there
at that at that location. And you know, it's one
of the reasons why I've always been such a Penta fan,
because I've seen him before he was even Penta, even

(52:32):
before he was even Pentagon like. So it's it's one
of those things where he's a wrestler that you know,
we hold here because he he basically came from nothing
and and we see him everywhere now, which is great.
But yeah, I don't I don't really go out of
my way to see or get autographs and things like
their pictures with people.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I'm the same way. I don't know why, uh, even
with it if it was an actor, I'm just not
the same way I act. Yeah, you know, but I
do have some. I but like I think the one
that I only stood in line for when I was
young though, like I stood in line for like Sean
Michaels at my arena.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Oh nice, So I have that.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
And Chelsea Green sent me something, uh when she had
her podcast, I wrote into our show. She sent me
an autograph photo and then I do have yeah, yeah,
and I do have a a Hooters menu signed by
Edge Bautista and the coach. Yeah, they were all they

(53:32):
were all out of Hooters one time, me and Buddy Ron,
a listener to the show. I think we were like
we had to be like fifteen or something. We were
looking for wrestlers after the show, like where do you
think they would go? And I'm like, probably Hooters, Like really,
like yeah, there's nobody in there. It's like late as

(53:53):
how we go in there and then they are man
sitting like a couple of tables away, and I was like, Okay,
don't put us too close. I don't want to sit
too close to them because I don't want to freak out.
I don't want to see. Yeah, And like I was
in the I was in the bathroom. I got of
pot to the bathroom and this is like an older hooter.
So like the bathroom was like really small, like one

(54:16):
stall to piss in, one one to you know, but
like there's those two stalls. I'm in there taking a
taking a whiz. Dave Bautista comes in, right, and this man,
I'm fifteen years old, right, so I'm scrawny, little fifteen
year old. This guy, this is Bautista, evolution Batista, three

(54:36):
hundred pound jack. This this was peak Bautista. Sure, yeah,
the monster dude. And he's in there. And I went
and you know, I went to wash. I was washing
my hands. He went and used the journal and I
used the last of the paper towels. And then I
was like, oh no, I like, did that thing where
you put your hand up in the thing. He's like,

(54:57):
oh that that's it. And then he goes over he
was washing his hands. He shakes his hands. He's like,
there's no goddamn payp of tels. I was like, oh god,
I'm so sorry. I was like, yeah, you can use
my shirt. I was so quick to be like just
I had a wrestling shirt on too. I swear to god,

(55:17):
I had a wrestling shirt. This had to be two
thousand and four because I think I had like a
Royal Rumble t shirt on because yeah, two thousand and
four when Ben Wat won the Rumble, because we went
to Philly to see it. But yeah, like I remember
having a shirt like he knew exactly who the hell
I was, Like I was a fan, he knew, and
I was just like, take my shirt, you know, And

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then he just did the whole hand wiping him on
his pants and walked out. And then I had the
audacity to ask for an autograph after that.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Oh my god, that's hilarious. That's awesome though. Yeah, yeah, ye,
just like I love hearing stories like that. I could
never go up to anyone famous and as autograph. I'm
too too shy in that regard.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, I mean, like you don't know, like what kind
of people they are, Like what you know, what you right?

Speaker 4 (56:07):
It?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Man, Like everybody's a human. You don't know what kind
of day they've been having. They could be going through
some personal shit or you know, they could just be
having one of those days where there's like, sure, I'll
sign all thirty of your things at the airport, you know,
so you can immediately put them on eBay.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
God that bothers me so much.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
But I yeah, I am not that guy. Like I
will ask you maybe autograph one thing just because that
or just a picture right now. It's pictures, it's not
I don't need any autographs. Like if you want, if
I can get a picture with you, that's it. But yeah,
some of these people, I see it, dude, they go
to the airport, they have a brave my stereo like

(56:47):
and Jeff Hardy like you know, it's like thirty things
sign all of this crap. For me, it's like, dude,
are you serious right now?

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah, some people are just they're just no self awareness
and I hate it.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
No, And you know what, it's not even like I
feel like they're not hardcore fans. I just feel like
they're just trying to.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Make a buck, sure, you know, but like I don't know,
I was.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I was never like that. Like when I have my autographs,
I never once ever thought about selling them because it
was the moment that how I got them, Like it's unique.
So to to somebody else that's probably not worth anything,
but to me, that's worth a lot more than money.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Yeah. Yeah, there is one I can't I can't remember who,
but there is one wrestler who only does autographs for charity. Okay,
I want to see it. I can't remember if it's
seeing Punk or or Rain thestereo after that incident he had,
I could see it's a it's a pretty big wrestler
that It's like, you know, he just won't do uh

(57:49):
signatures for anybody anymore unless charity rights.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Like yeah, absolutely, So in your closet, how many wrestling
shirts do you have? And who do you have the
most of?

Speaker 6 (58:07):
Zero?

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Zero wrestling shirts?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
What the fuck? That's that's crazy?

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no, I take it back,
take it back to back. I have one wrestling shirt
and it's a Brett Hard shirt that I bought in
Delaware that came with the Brett Hart glasses and that
and I just bought that this past year.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
So like, what do you wear then when you go
to a wrestling event? Like what did normal people wear? Just?

Speaker 4 (58:38):
I just wear a regular T shirt? So so really
like something funny or or I don't know. Sometimes I
get off of work and I mean slacks in a
longsley shirt like a dork.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
So like I was gonna say, what's the reason, Like
you're not a wrestling shirt guy? Uh?

Speaker 4 (58:55):
I lost a lot of weight and I have to
buy new shirts. And I didn't buy them because they
were you know, I was a big guy and they
were too expensive for big guys, and then I all
lost weight. Like I feel like I missed the train.
I'm buying wrestling shirts now, so I just I just
never did I buy shirts from my friends, like I'll

(59:16):
like my you know, one of the guys loved the
Grand Americano shirt and I was like, hey, I'll buy
you the shirt. So what's your address. I'll send you
the shirt and there you go. I mean, I bought
wrestling shirts just not yeah, I mean like.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
I, oh god, I had this ridiculous amount. But I
haven't bought a lot of new ones now. When I
was younger, I acquired a lot. And it's funny because
like as much shit as I gave him during his
like Super Sena run, I have a lot of John
Sena shirts. I don't know how the hell that happens.
It's just like, oh my god, like why do I

(59:52):
have like ten It was like a bowl of fruity
pebbles in my damn closet. I think, like the old
this shirt that I have is probably a DX it's
probably the oldest shirt I have is a DX shirt.
The newest shirt that I have is probably a Roman
Arrange shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
The OTC like the Tribal Chief shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Or like no, it's a acknowledged me shirt. So yeah, yeah,
it's a good one. Like the thing is like when
I go, I either they either don't have my damn
size or they're just they're ridiculously priced. When we were

(01:00:36):
in Philly for WrestleMania, I just wanted like a Philly
three sixteen shirt and they were like forty five bucks,
and I was like what the fuck. I was like,
I'm better off designing the shirt myself and putting on
our store on Pro Wrestling t's and just buying it
off of myself, Like like I better off that. Yeah,

(01:00:58):
it's ridiculous, it's Philly, It's not not even it's because
I know WW makes a shitload of money or not
shitload money off of it, but like stone Cold Steve
Boston makes still a shitload of money off of merch
by going to every town and putting Philly three sixteen
Chicago three sixteen, Like that man is still in the

(01:01:18):
top ten of merchandise sales, and that man has been
retired for quite some time.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Yep, but genius. The only shirt that I ever wanted
to buy was the black John Cena shirt at WrestleMania,
and they were sold out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Yeah that's like legit.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
That's like the legit the only one that I've been like,
oh and buy it right now, and they did. I buy.
I buy my kids shirt. I mean my kid wanted
the Pinter shirt. We got on the Penta shirt. Uh huh,
all the old aj styles merch like I used to
get it from my kid. Like I like I've bought merchandise.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Just Yeah. It's funny because like sometimes the shirts are
almost had that feeling of like a jersey of like yep, yeah,
of you're representing your favorite wrestler, and like it would
be from a gimmick that they had like ten years ago,

(01:02:12):
or like you know, like I would wear like old
Randy Orton shirts. I have tons of them. I have
tons of old RKO Legend Killer shirts. You know, Like
sometimes I like wearing the throwback shirts.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
But yeah, like I get a you hit a round
in the head, what it is, It's like a jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Exactly exactly, Because like my shirts, my wrestling shirts are
like precious to me, Like I have them. I've had
some of them since I was a teenager. That yeah,
it's very small, handful still fit me, but like I
don't want to get rid of them because you know,
like my girlfriend will probably end up wearing them or something.
But like it, she's like, can I wear this old

(01:02:51):
wrestling shirt? I'm like, yes, but be very careful. It's
just like it's too small.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
We could wear it, you know what, don't wear anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yeah, like maybe I shouldn't be eating pasta and sauce
when you're wearing a classic you know is Latola Rock
and Roller Chris Jericho Chick Magnet shirt, Like that's a
good shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Now you're just following her everywhere around make sure she
does not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yeah, yeah, And I know some of my wrestling shirts
have like they have some holes in them and then
there are some stains and like I remember how I
got them because I got them at like this wrestling event,
because that's when I would wear them. Really, it's like
I used to wear them all the time. But then
like I started like like, oh I got these things
are going to break down and fall apart, Like I

(01:03:36):
gotta start like wearing them only at wrestling events, so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
I don't like your Sunday your Sunday church clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I definitely want to get my hands on some
seampunk shirts. I want the even though it's old, I
want like a hell Froze over shirt. I still think
that was a great shirt. You know, I have been
just a stampunk fan through and through, so I'm like,

(01:04:06):
it's time for me to finally get a stampunk shirt.
And I think it's also time for me to get
like a Seth Rollins shirt, Like I don't have a
Seth Rolland shirt. So yeah, is there any like wrestling
memorability that you collect at all? Like, are you like
an action figure?

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Guy?

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
DVDs?

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Still the only thing that the only thing that I
have in my room is and it's and it's only
because I bought him for my son, but that I
brought them over because I wanted to hang them on
my podcast. Is I bought like my son the twenty
dollars REPI good titles okay, cool, like those cheap the

(01:04:44):
sheep plastic ones, and then I have those hanging on
my wall like I have the the Old Heavyweight, the
ww Championship, the the White Intercontinental Championship in the US
title like hanging.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
When I was a teenager, I used to have those
toy belts because we used to do backyard wrestling, and
I think back then the belts were better. Back then,
the toys, the jacks belts, Yeah, the quality was better.
They were the leather, well not leather, but the plether

(01:05:17):
or whatever it was. It wasn't flimsy like it is today.
Like it was so much better. And I literally yeah,
the belcrow was good. Like it was crazy as I
had probably close to twenty to twenty five belts I
had because we had all the tag team ones. This
is ruthless Digression era, so we're talking like tag team

(01:05:38):
titles for Raw and SmackDown, Intercontinental, United States ECW title,
Cruiserweight Division, and then we also got the older ones.
We had like the light Heavyweight, the old Raw, the
old WW tag titles like you name it, dude, Hardcore,
the old World title, the Spinning Belt, the Spinning the
United States titles. So like whenever we backyard wrestling, it's

(01:06:02):
like we always had these titles that people could have
and take home and then bring them back if you'
you know, when you lose. But it was always fun.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
So you single handedly kept ww to float with all
that stuff you bought.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I remember when I sold them
all because I sold them to a guy who's like,
my kid's gonna love this, because I was like, yeah,
it's time I, you know, get a real one. Yeah,
so exactly. So I was like, man, he's doing a
good condition. I'm like, this kid's gonna freaking love this.
He's like yeah. I had like a huge duffel bag

(01:06:36):
of them all, Like it was crazy getting rid of
them all. But I was like, I know who they
were going to, and I was like, man, the kid's
gonna enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Yeah, dude, Like I do want to buy a an
nWo World Heavyweight belt, like an actual one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
I just sometimes I get too cheap to cough up
the money, but I will eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
That's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Now it's like when I was that wrestling at the
Convention Center, they had like the display cases, well the belts,
and it's insane. Now what belts. You can get customized
belts you, I mean, you get one for the podcast,
even like with your logo on it. Like I had
a fantasy wrestling league for a while, before I closed

(01:07:21):
it down. We have an actual title. We used to
like have a fan We used to have a fantasy
league for wrestling, and then we would just if you
would lose, you gave up that title. But like we
lived close enough that we could hand it off to
each other. But yeah, like I do miss that. So
like now that title's retired, it's like hanging in my office.

(01:07:44):
But I want I would like the old style World
Heavyweight title, the old Big Gold title. I always liked
that one. Yeah, yeah, I like that one. And I
was also keen to the when and they merged the
WWF and World title into the undisputed title that Triple

(01:08:08):
h Hulkogan Taker had, the one that John Cena eventually
turned into the Spinning title. I also kind of like
that design too. But I know for a fact, once
I buy one, I'm gonna want another one, another one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
And it's addicting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
It is addicting, dude, Like it is. There's there is
wrestling memorabilia that people collect that is addicting. I know
Doyle and Dre like getting autographs and pictures, and you know,
I we had a guy on here before who like
collecting action figures like a lot of action figures. So yeah,

(01:08:49):
I think that's awesome, like even that we have so
much merch that you can put even weird fucking merch,
Like you can go on shop Zone and dig deep
on like a late night Friday and night, just dig
deep into the shop Zone and you're gonna be checking
out with with Mick Foley sandals and like a Slurpye

(01:09:10):
cup with a like they had like a stone cold
Steve Boston head and like a cane mask. Like it's
crazy the crap you can leave shop Zone.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
With, Yeah, by buying a Super Year Cup from like Topeka,
Kansas raw and ninety seven or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
It's crazy how it's crazy that you can find anything now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah, So you guys planning on recording anything anytime soon? Like,
did you guys have any upcoming episodes you want to
you want to like let the listeners hear now about.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Well, we're currently working on on getting getting another platform
to do our our show on because we were using
one and it got super expensive to use it, and
you know, we thought of we started, we tried using
one of the free ones and it didn't So we're
working on trying to find a new one. But we
want we would definitely want to go back to going

(01:10:00):
onto our weekly shows because, like I said, we do
we do the recaps, we do the UFC, we do
UFC Prediction. We talk about football, we talk about baseball,
We talk about current events. I mean, our last episode
that we did, we did a draft for you know gorillas.
You know how many there was that viral thing where

(01:10:21):
you know what, one hundred people versus a gorilla. So
we draft our top ten best people to go against
the gorilla. So yeah, we try to do anything wrestling.
We have ideas. They shoot us a DM or a
text and hey, I want to talk about this. You
know if we if we find it that we can
make you know, jokes out of it and find some

(01:10:43):
humor and we can stretch it out for a while.
We'll talk. We talked about we talked We talked about
one day, how how yeah good fit like it is
anything anything that pops into our head. We just mostly
our show is anything that we just want to talk about.

(01:11:05):
We talked about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yeah, I mean I I thought about the the uh,
the bracket of maybe like well we'll pick ten ten
of your best wrestlers. You're coming to the table with
uh to go against a gorilla. I always thought that
would be a funny bracket to do.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Oh yeah, and then and you can and you can
actually get chet GPT to analyze and do a probability
to show you who's who's who's uh who who when?

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
So that's crazy you can do that now. I love it,
like what wrestlers in their prime? And it's like I
thought about it too, like, okay, what wrestlers in their prime?
When I picked to be on my team to fight
against this gorilla? Like, I mean, we can get pretty deep.
But uh yeah, dude, like I I think it'd be

(01:11:55):
great to have you back on we I know we're doing, God,
what is our Night of Champions? Is our next pl e?
And then I think we have a Saturday night main
event but we might not cover that. We'll see, So yeah,
I'd like to go on maybe like the Night Champions show.
I know your time zone is a little different than ours.

(01:12:16):
That might be the only who knows, maybe the only
thing that might tie us up here. I know that's
always an issue with people when they live far away.
It's the time zone.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
I'm usually I'm usually pretty free. Like, yeah, I'm that
person where if you tell me, like, hey, let's meet
up for X y Z time, I will make myself available.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Yeah, and I definitely like I just like that, definitely
want to collab with your you guys over there at
the Sofa Kings.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Yeah, so you can let a little bit over there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, totally. I would love to go over there. I
would love to come to your show totally and dig
in with some wrestling over there with you guys. Pick
your brands. But is there anything else? Do you want
to plug before you leave? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Not really? I mean, I mean I have my social
media so you can follow up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks
you w h O B E n c Io on
Instagram and that dude Ben eighty five on tiktoks. That's
all I got. I don't really.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Well, now, dude, now you're part of the I know,
I know the guys do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Yeah. And now you're part of the PCW discord. So
if you ever want to, if they ever want to
reach out to you, you're now part of the discord.
We talk about wrestling twenty four to seven.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
I just dist know how to use it. My old ass,
doesn't I don't understand what all these hashtags are right
now that I'm looking at. Oh, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Yeah, Yeah, it's just categories. You want to talk about
two K games, you want to talk about Monday night
roll in one when we have the pay per view,
we also have a section where people would talk about
the pay per view without spoiling for people. Yeah, pretty simple.
That's why I love discord. It was a lot better
idea than having h Do you know what it's like

(01:14:06):
to have tons of people just blow up your phone
text you like, oh my god, are you watching wrestling?
Do you see what's going on? I'm like, yes, yes,
I do. I have a show. I have to watch it.
I am watching it and if I'm not, I'll get
to it. So I eventually was like, you know what, guys,
I think we should make a discord. We all can
talk amongst each other and I'll blow up my phone.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
So I love it though, I love it. We're very active. Yeah,
the guys on there are great. So it's nice that
we got another peep added to the to the list
there for sure. Yeah, and do that going absolutely? Have
you back on the show. Yeah, I appreciate you being here.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Man, I appreciate the invite. It was it was fun.
Like I said, I can talk wrestling anytime, any day,
all day if we need to. I mean I literally,
I literally travel across across the nation to talk wrestling.
So that's that's how committed I am to talk to
talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
All right, man, Well then then we're gonna probably see
you on PCW.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
A lot more for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
All right man, thanks for having us. Yeah, man, let's
step out.

Speaker 7 (01:15:30):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages,
welcome back to this little promo.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
I have to give one. You know what it's gonna
be about. Yeah, just sit here and listen. You made
it this far into the show. What we're gonna talk
about is something very important. It's social media. Why aren't
you part of the Twitter page, the Instagram page, our
Facebook page, Join share and you know what you get

(01:16:00):
in there. We'll send you a link to the discord.
What's the discord? It's where you can talk to us
all day about wrestling, not just that. How about you
go to our website, podcasts, your wrestling dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Where you can or you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Not just review, you can right into the show. You
kind of question. We'll answer it. But it doesn't stop there.
Oh no, if it doesn't, we offer.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
So much more.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Do you want to be on the show? Do you
want to shoot the ship with Dre Doyle and be
guessed a real music's But it doesn't stop there. Guys
say you gotta go wrestling tea, stop and buy a

(01:16:54):
piece for sure. We don't have one. We don't want to.
I say, God, you don't have to dream. We do
have four the were dead T shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
And the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
You mean it? The smart? Are you a man or one?
Are you a fucking mark? Tell you fucking fuck time now.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
You are the world's dumbest.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
Sign up a bit the fack that day in and
day out for almost six years, I improved everybody in
the world that I am the best on this microphone
and in that break and given a commentary, nobody can
touch me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
You are not pretty far God, because it's street perfect up.
And we watched the sum your talk about your sobs,
talk about John three sixteen, Momstead three sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Says I just whipped your ass. Well, let me tell you,
fucking brother.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Far Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
New game.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
Queen praised to the top, Oh year, my true madness.
Ye welcome to the Top and Owen Show.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Lately, he just hasn't been Harry Usey.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Because I even know this, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
For those rottening frosts and and and and bye bye.
It's h.

Speaker 8 (01:33:00):
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Yes,