Superman & Lois: What Kills You Only Makes You Stronger

Lex Luthor is back with a vengeance, and he's got a plan to take out Superman once and for all. Will the Man of Steel prevail or is this doomsday for the Kent family?

Episode Transcript

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Easy. I've got you, You'vegot me. Who's got you? Up
in the sky. Look tone,it's your green, It's Superman. You

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will give the people of birth anideal to strive towards. Will race behind,
you, will stumble or four,But in time they will join you
in the suncown. In time youwill help them accomplish wonders come to me,

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Son of Joe. It is thepodcast Full of Kryptonite. Here for
the season finale of Superman and Lois, as always have one of my podcasting

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partners in crime, Jason Colvin fromthe Surely Can't Be Serious Podcast? Jason,
how's it going good, John,I'm about to spoil a good mood
on talking about a bad finale spoileralert. No, yeah, yeah,
yeah, Well we'll get to that. You have a partner in crime there
with you. I do. Ido. We've got our friend mister Tristan

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Martin here with us. Tristin's beenwith us a few times. Tristan,
good to have you body, Thankyou. I'm glad to be here.
Tristan is a big fan of Supermanand Lowison has been keeping up and listens
to our show. So yeah,I thought we'd drag him on here for
this. Yeah, Hey, we'veall got podcast, Tristan, when do
you start in yours? I amjust the eternal guests of you guys on

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this. How about that that's thatmight actually be the wiser decision. That's
right, makes about the same amountof money, So right, exactly?
Yeah, um, do you gotfor for just a second before we jump
into Superman and Lois because I thinkwe've got a few things to talk about
with this particular episode in the seasonfinale. Do you want to talk for
a second about the casting news thatwe got for the Superman Legacy movie?

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Yeah, man, go ahead,I saw that. What do you know
for us? You know? AndI don't. I honestly, I have
not watched a lot of what thesetwo actors have been in. So they've
cast their Superman and they've cast theirLois Lane U. Superman is gonna be
played by David Corin Sweat. Ithink I'm saying that name right, Una,
you know it's Scream movie Star,But okay, keep going. Yeah,

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uh and Rachel Brosnahan and so,I you know, I look through
the IMDb. I think the onlything that I've watched either of them in
I think I've seen her in acouple of one off episodes of like we
used to watch The Good Wife andI she was on, actually the two
of them, not in the sameepisode. The two of them were on
separate episodes of the Netflix show Houseof Cards with Kevin Spacey. So both

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of these actors, I guess ifyou want to see both of these actors,
they are in that show at differentdifferent times, different episodes. She
I think has been most recently inthat Marvelous missus Mazel or Marvelous Miss mazel
um TV show, which I thinkis Amazon Prime, but I'm not one
hundred percent sure, So I guessanybody anybody wants to go check her out,
she's there. He hasn't been inwhite as much, but honestly,

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I mean, look look at apicture of him, and yes, I
could totally see um. You know, she absolutely looks like a young Lois
Lane. She a little bit shelooks like a young Bitsy Tullock. You
know, she looks a little bitmore like some of the more recent Lois
Lanes. We've got not so mucha you know, not so much a
Margot Kidder or a you know,some of the other ones or an Amy

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Adams or anything like that. Butshe's she looks fairly similar to a bitsy
Tullock. And of course he couldabsolutely pass, you know, all the
pictures I've seen of himself, orhe could totally pass as a young Henry
Cavill, young Christopher Reeve almost.I mean he's got he's got that kind
of Superman look about him, especiallythe Superman they've gone with, you know,
more recently, of kind of likethe the very skinny Superman, the

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like you know, he's super becauseof his metabolism, He's not super because
he's you know, got shoulders thatare as wide as Hulk Hogan's forty eight
inch pythons or whatever he calls him. U. Yeah, like nobody,
nobody would be able to tell he'sSuperman when they've got the massive, broad
chested Clark Kent walking around the DailyPlanet and nobody can figure it out.

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That's a little questionable. But youknow, when Superman is is skinny and
lean, then I get the wholething of not being able to tell who
he is. Yeah, I thoughtthat they both definitely passed the look test.
Yeah. The thing I think evenmore so with Lois than it is
with Superman is the attitude test,and so I haven't seen anything. I'll

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have to try to find a wayto see, uh, see something that
she's been in, just because youknow, we've had We've had at least
one lois that didn't pass the attitudetest Superman Returns. Yeah, I forget
her name, but anyway, OhI forgot her name. Yeah, shocking
anyway, But the others, Imean, right, so she didn't she

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just didn't have it. But allof the other lost is that I can
think of do a good job withwith that at two to Amy Adams and
Terry Hatcher and Marigo Kidder, allof them seem to and definitely bitsy.
I mean, who is our bestlowest absolutely anyway, I think you know,
Kate Bosworth. I've I've gone backand forth on because I still enjoy

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Superman Returns. Like it's got alot of problems, but I still enjoy
it, and I've kind of goneback and forth on her. I consider
her just like a very different lowestlane. She's not and she's not the
lowest lane that I care for.Like that's not the characterization that I want
to seem to me. The moreI think about it, Kate Bosworth actually
did a halfway decent job of channelinglike the old fifties TV show like Noel

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Neil kind of Lowest Lane. Thatwas just much more of a much more
of maybe like a you know,female reporter from the fifties, forties or
fifties or something like that, whichis not quite the same as the like
smart, sassy. You know,she'll get in there and you know,
tussle with the boys just as muchas anybody else will. The one thing

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I love about Amy Adams Lois Laneand Bitsy's Lois Lane too, is they're
not afraid to, you know,be anybody's equal or better. You know,
they really they really embody kind ofthe army brat Lois Lane, who's
pretty fearless in whatever she does.I you know, having not really seen
too many of the shows that she'sin, I have seen the ads for
that marvelous Miss Maisel show, andit seems like from that show, not

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ever having seen a single episode,but having seen the previews and trailers,
it seems like she's got a bitof a sassy attitude in that show.
So I could see her, youknow, being a strong, confident Lois
Lane. You know, the kindthat we've been used to over the last
few actresses that have portrayed it.So you know, as she passes the
look test, like you said,whether or not they can pass the the

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attitude test. You know, ifhe's if he's a younger Superman who's just
getting started in his career than yeah, I mean, maybe he's not quite
as confident as some of the Supermanthat we've been used to, but yeah,
I'll be curious to see what theydo. Once again, I'm putting
it out there. We I andyou. I think you would agree with

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me, and Tristan probably agree withus as well. If we could have
the Superman from the first four issuesof the New fifty two Action comics where
he's fighting crime in jeans because he'she hasn't acquired his flight powers yet and
he's just kind of starting his journeyinto super powers. I thought those episodes

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were really cool, or those comicbooks are really cool. So I would
love to see a little bit moreof that. And if I understand right,
John would would rather have the seriesgrounded. Yes, I would love
to see a very sedentary Superman.I want a very pedestrian literally and figuratively
story. Yes, grounded. Iwould love to see a ground Superman.

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Yeah, I like that would bea good If anybody's got like a peloton
or does an Apple Fitness and youhave like a walking program, maybe that
would be a good one of those, Like do a Superman walking program with
one of the Superman actors. Itcan be your grounded movie. Yeah.
I guess one of the last thingsI want to say about this is,

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yes, I love I love thatSuperman, and I would love it for
them to do something like that.Doesn't have to be the entire movie,
but if they want to kind ofstart off that way. There is a
great book called It's Superman, andI think the author's name is Tom de
Haven and the book takes place inthe thirties, and it's Superman and Lois

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and Lex Luthor, and it's inthe thirties. He's a reporter at the
Daily Planet, and kind of theway it presents him is it's still,
you know, he's new, he'sstill a little clumsy about things. It's
more leaping tall buildings rather than flying. They go into some like scientific descriptions
of how his powers work, andthat's kind of a cool take on the

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character too. I always thought Iwould be totally fine if somebody wanted to
make a movie of that version ofSuperman and have it be directed by Joe
Johnston, who did Rocketeer and CaptainAmerica First Avenger, who really gets the
nineteen thirties, nineteen forties. Uh, you know, kind of sign me
up? Sounds great. I wouldlove to see something like if they're full

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on into the multiverse and we don'tcare how many Superman's or Batman's there are
at one time, let's do it. Yep. Okay, if we're going
in that direction multiverse wise, my'all talked about this last time. One
of my favorite comic book series ofall time is the Injustice series. I'm

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a I'm not a video game guyanymore, but but the actual comic book
series is amazing. And Henry Cavilcould play a really, really good super
Man off the rails. I'm justsaying because well, like you think of
Man, any other any of theother Superman, I couldn't really see doing

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it, but he's already what theydid so well. A man of Steel
is you see Superman, He's notquite as endearing yet because he's this Alien
and you could kind of see himgoing off the rails. Absolutely. Yeah,
I would love to see knowing,knowing what I've seen of him in
The Witcher and you know, someof his stuff that he's done in Mission

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Impossible, and I like he couldtotally go from you know, honorable Noble
Superman too, I'm gonna kill everybodyin this room, uh, you know
like that, and what are yougonna do about it? Right? Yeah?
And I wouldn't mind seeing a movieon that. Yeah, yeah,
all right, Well, hopefully thisall works out well for the Superman Legacy

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stuff. Um, I'm hoping.I'm hoping that maybe the CW, well
maybe might not be the CW fortoo much longer, but I'm hoping that
if Superman and Lois continues on andthey do get you know, I know
they're they're pretty much implying that thisnext season maybe the last season for it,
but maybe we'll still be going ifif the show keeps going, and

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by twenty twenty five when the SupermanLegacy comes out, if not, well
we'll come back and we'll do We'lldo an episode. We can revive the
podcast full of Kryptonite for a SupermanLegacy episode at that. Absolutely not only
that, but you've got seasons worthif you just flip the names around and
did a Lois and Clark podcast.I'm just saying, you know, honestly,

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when we first started, so I'llpull back the curtain for the listeners
just a little bit. When wefirst started this podcast, and I think
I might have scared Jason and dI did create a spreadsheet in which I
was like, because I highly underestimatedthe time suck of having two podcasts,
right, so I've created the spreadshet. I was like, Okay, great,

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so when we get doing the firstseason of Superman and Lois, we
can go right on into season oneof Lois and Clark. And I bet
if we did season one of Loisand Clark, that would take us like
we could do a bunch of those, and that would take us through until
season two of Superman and Lois starts. Then in between season two and season
three, we could do the nextseason of Superman of Lois and Clark,
and then when we're done with allthat, we could do the nineteen fifties

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show. We could do the likeI had this whole grand plan, and
then I think after the after thefirst season of doing this show, and
then during that summertime, I waslike, all right, guys, here,
here's what we're gonna do, LikeI guess, great ideas, great
ideas, and then life and podcastingI think got in the way for all
of us. Yeah, and Iwas like, all right, why don't
we get together for like a ZackSnyder's Justice League episode. Yeah, we're

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gonna have to take the rest ofthe summer off, but why don't we
do that one? And so yes, no, I would love to at
some point, I would love togo back and redo that. What actually,
the podcast that got me into listeningto podcasts in the first place was
a small Ville podcast. So I'veI've always been like, hey, I'll
go back and rewatch Smallville and coverthat, because you know, that's what

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got me into podcasting was listening tothese two guys down in I think down
in Mississippi and Georgia did the entirerun of Smallville episodes. So just pull
the curtain back a little bit further. Yeah, in the summer of twenty
sixteen, maybe, yeah, Ican't remember, maybe back that far.

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My first podcast I was getting readyto go for a run. I just
dropped my son off. He didn'thave his driver's license yet, so I
was taking him to his job andback. It was at the church,
and I'm like, okay, I'mgetting ready to go for a run while
he works. Let me see heretype in I'm like, um, eighties
movie boom, thirty something movie podcasts. So, you guys were the first

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one I listened to, and I'vebeen I've been with you ever since.
And they were friends, right,And I don't know whether to apologize for
any of those early episodes. Idon't know. The best was so I
I listened to you guys and whenI was running, and I think I
reached out to you, and thenyou said my name on the podcast,
and that's when I really fell outof the chair. So yeah, And

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so to pull the curtain back alittle more, Jason hits me up.
I don't know how many times thathe's like, you need to listen to
this podcast, and at the time, I'm like, podcast, I just
sit and listen to some guys talk. Yeah, So I didn't for a
long time, and then Jason reeledme in with a debate about which Batman
was the best and and you guyssaid my name on the air, and
I was like, Okay, that'sit. I'm in all right. Well,

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should we dive on into the seasonfinale, the season three finale of
Superman and Lois. Let's do it. Let's rip the bandaid, rip out
the bandaid, let's do it.All right, So I'm gonna run through
I'll run through the plot here,and you know, just feel free to
interject. Before we started recording,there's not gonna be a curtain left if
we keep pulling it back. Butyou can see the man turning the die

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else back there is Normally, asI take notes watching these episodes, I
am anywhere from like four to fivepages of notes as I'm writing things down
because I'm trying to catch like anynames that get dropped or references or you
know, things like that or stuffI want to come back to later.
I have two pages of notes andI fully anticipated a third, but I'll

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show you guys on the camera that'sthe third page of notes. It's like
because I'm like, okay, well, the fight's really heating up now,
we gotta right. Oh did theyjust sopranos? Me? They just fade
to black? Oh? Come on? So so yes, I have a
little bit less. My notes areuncopious this time, but uncopious. Nice.

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Hey, here's what I this ismy take before we get started.
Yeah, I feel like this waslike the second to last day of school.
So watching this episode, so youknow, the second to last day
is cool. Everybody has to stillbe there. Yeah, but you're not
really doing anything right, it's justkind of, you know, just kind
of high howd he signed my yearbook? Wander around and smiles and hugs for

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everybody, and nobody's doing anything.Yeah, that's the way I felt when
I watched this finale. Jason.I think you're you're going a little too
far because they did I think winningthe Guinness record for most people to be
not excited about the announcement of abirth. Yes, yes, to continue

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on with the whole idea of thesecond to last day of school, it's
the second the last day of school. Everybody's signing the yearbooks, and it
seems like everyone in your class mayor may not move to another town next
year. Yeah that's right. I'llsee you next Oh maybe I won't.
I don't know. Good luck inyour future endeavors, right, have a

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great summer. Question Mark Eggs Yeah, my daughter was shocked that I knew
that. I'm like, I wouldnot. I taught it to middle school.
I know exactly. Dane Sean's great. Um, all right, so
we are. So this one wascalled this is Season three, Episode thirteen.
What kills You Only makes You stronger. This is thirty two days later.

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Not to be confused with the zombiemovie, even though we've got some
zombification going on here. Thirty twodays later, no one has seen or
heard from Lex, which I thinkI might be a little bit more panicked
if it was over a month andI hadn't seen from or heard from Lex
Luthor. That's just me though.Um, so there's a little bit of
a concern, and that whole openingmontage just kind of like what is Lex

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going to do next? And sowe're kind of we're kind of left with
that. Lois and Clark here atthe beginning, how do I say this
on a family friendly podcast? Theymake a trip to the villa. Yeah,
that's how I'll say that. Theymake They make a husband wife trip
to the villa. That was theonly intimacy that I was happy for.

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Yeah. In this episode, Lewisis ready to you know, take the
step to yeah, engage with herhusband after you know, her double missectomy,
and that's important, and everyone elsewas just jumping in bed. So
while Jason's being serious, it remindedme, did you guys watch the nineties

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Hercules A little lead with Kevin Sorbo. Okay, so they would have these
episodes which Superman and Lewis. Thisis at least the second, maybe the
third episode that they've done this wherethey're like, Okay, the entire season,
we've gone without any love happening,and all of a sudden, here
we go. So on Hercules,it would be when Aphrodite showed up and

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all of a sudden, everybody's gettinga little frisky, and that's exactly what
happened on this episode. I waswaiting for Aphrodite to pop out. Yeah,
it's my wife and I. Wehad somebody who at one point in
time, they were just giving awaya bunch of their TV series they had
on DVD. They're like, we'vewatched him, we're not gonna him again.
Here. If you want something,you take them. So we watched

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it was the HBO series Rome.They gave us the first season of Rome,
and of course it's HBO, soyou know there's going to be a
little brown chicken, brown cow.And they always as we started watching these
different shows and we would just wejoke about it. It's it's always like,
first episode, Wow, okay,that there was a lot going on
there intimacy wise, and then it'dbe like, okay, what are we

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like mid season now, and oh, there seems to be a lot more
of a lot more of that goingon in in the mid season finale.
And now all of a sudden,it's the season finale. Uh yeah,
they're back again. They want tomake sure you come back next season.
And so we kind of every timewe'd watch a show that was on something
like an HBO or an FX orsomething like that same thing. We've been
watching the show The Americans for thelast few weeks or so, and I'm

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like, oh, it must beit's the beginning of the season, so
we've we've upped the quota here.We must have hit a season finale,
because now that's it's all back.When you get the ratings, it's always
the L for language, the Sfor sexual situations, and the V for
violence, and it's always like thefirst episode or two of the season it's
L s V for all of thatyou know stuff for the rating. Um,

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and then somehow most of the seasonit's it's L and V just L
just V, and then all ofa sudden at the end LSV like oh
okay, all right, we're backagain. So it was the first thing
with this one. I was like, I was like, as every couple
seemed to be, you know,doing the that thing, I was like,

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yep, it must be a seasonfinale, lots of s. We're
trying to get everybody's my world itmeans hope, Well, my wife has
taught my daughters, who our familywatches this show together. Yeah, and
my my wife has taught my daughters, you know that that guys shouldn't see
girls and you know, very statesof undress. And so whenever something like

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to start staff and when a shoulderstarts to be revealed, my girls screen
don't look, and all of asudden I get tackled with all these hands
over my eyes. And so anyway, so I missed about you know,
fifteen minutes the show. All right, Yeah, but yeah, to your
point, Jason, this was thethat scene in particular, I was like,

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you know what, actually, thisis the only after watching the entire
episode and thinking back about it,I was like, that was the only
scene that I felt did a greatjob of tying up what this entire season
was about. Yeah, the restof the episode to me felt like it
should have been in a completely differentseason. It was so far removed from
everything we've watched in the first i'llsay, first eleven episodes of this season.

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But that, for me, thatscene, that's what wrapped up because
this season has been all about thecancer storyline and the you know, Bruno
Mars and his family and all thatstuff, And that was the only scene
after finishing this episode that I waslike, that was a nice way to
wrap up this season. You know, it's a little disrespectful to the characters

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we've been following this whole time.I think I'm a little bit of a
prude in this area, but yeah, the cheap way was to throw everybody
in bed together. Right did Kylewas not thinking about marriage ten minutes ago?
Right? What? What? What? Well? And it's it's like,
I'll get here a little bit moreof the plot of the ups then

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I'll comment on some of the stuffwas go along too. But well,
so that's one of The next scenesis Kyle and Chrissy are talking and either
she just I thought maybe at firstshe just really doesn't like spinach omelets um,
But as soon as he brings thatin, she is rushing into the
bathroom and throwing up and and uh, you know, immediately it's like,
wait, are you pregnant? Yeah? I knowing Chrissy, I thought she

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was gonna be I don't know,a little yeah, a little okay um.
And so yeah, that that wholestoryline within this of them, you
know, knowing that they're going tohave a child and kind of announcing it
to the different people. I thought. I thought what was well done was
him going to talk to Lana aboutit, you know, talking to her

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and her saying she's okay with itand kind of her reasons for being okay
with it, but you can kindof tell she's not super okay with it,
especially when he makes the comment,look, I know you always wanted
another one, so I just wantto make sure you're okay with this.
Like that part of it. Iyou know, that was tough. It
was tough because you could tell she'ssaying I'm okay with this, but you
can tell deep down she's not gonnabe okay with this, and she had

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tears in her eyes that was actuallytouching. Yeah yeah, so yeah,
I mean so now it'll be nice. Kyle will have two children, so
good for him, Good for him. Hashtag Sophie Lives. I wonder if
in the Cushing Cortez whatever were whateverthe family's name is. I wonder if

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it's like what they're doing with theshow where Sophie has just been demoted from
a recurring character to a guest starwithin their family. So it's like,
I have to, you know,when this baby comes, I'll have two
you know, series regular family members, but we've demoted Sophie to a special
guest star. The fact that theyhad an entire episode about how they ignore

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her and then she finally she finallygets a line in this episode again,
only to get smacked down by sisterand then she's gone again. Yeah yeah,
um all right, well then wehave we have another another scene in
here where Lana and John Henry arekind of you know, making googly eyes

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at each other and they arrange adate after you know, he comes over
because something's wrong with her security system. I'm using quote fingers as I say
that. Um, so we've gotthat little scene there, We've got the
Kents are talking about planning a familyvacation to Italy, and uh, they
wait quite a bit into the episodeto talk about how they're going to save

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on airfare. That would have beenthe first thought that was in my head
totally. When you can fly,you never take airlines ever. Again,
I got two people in the familythat can fly. We're not we're not
paying for any I'm not saying that'schecked bag stuff. I'm not right.
That's another spot where Jordan just cameacross so unlikable because any of us.

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I mean. That was one ofthe coolest things about this episode is when
they showed the Italian village and you'relike, wow, that's one of those
places on posters that everybody wants togo, one of those villages on this
side of a mountain. And thenthey tell tell Jordan and it's like you
soon she can fly. Yeah,Uncle Tal has it for free and you
can free fly. Yeah. I'dbeen going there every ten minutes. Yeah

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I might. I might spend thenights there. Yeah, I mean,
and frankly, Jordan has all thesuperpowers, so like when he you know,
when when a normal kid would belike upset with their parents, they
like, you know, maybe hopin the car or drive somewhere. I
mean, if it's small Ville,you can hop in the car and you
know, drive to town, oryou run off to the back forty or

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something, just to like get awayfrom your parents. He could go to
Italy if he wanted to. Justwhen he's creating his parents, he's be
like, you know what I'm I'myou know, forget you guys. I'm
going to Morocco. Right. Yeah, but I did love I did love
a little bit of a SmackDown therefor him to he deserved a little bit
of a SmackDown's like, you know, Jordan, shut up. You know,
in fact, you shut up andgo sit in the Sophie corner.

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That's what we're calling him from thatone. Go sit in the Sophie corner.
So they're playing their family vacation andyou can kind of tell I mean,
this is and I think this iswhy I didn't have a whole lot
of notes for this one, becausethis episode was and I think that was
part of the weakness of it,was the rapid fire of Okay, so
some of these actors may not becoming back next season. At the very

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least they're not coming back as seriesregulars. We don't really know. It's
kind of up in the air withwhat's going on with if there's going to
be in next season. So let'sjust rapid fire find ways for all of
them to either, you know,wrap up their relationships, or move out
of Smallville, or relocate to somewhere, or have some situation, maybe somebody's
dead. I don't know. Itjust seemed like so I have it like

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quick little bullet points on here ofyou know, the Kents, you know,
they're going on their family location.Then John Henry and General Gramps are
talking that they may relocate to Metropolisand set up the Steelworks, which is
John Henry has that in the comicbooks. That's kind of where he invents
a lot of his a lot ofhis wonderful toys, and Nat could go

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to the d D Academy, andyou know, so it's all of these
are rapid fire kind of like,let's set up an exit plan for every
single character on this show except forthe Kent family and maybe Lex Luthor.
Yep, totally, we thought theymight move the Kents back to metropolis.
Yeah. Instead, they're just movingeverybody out of small Ville, right right,

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Uh, probably cheaper to film thatway, I guess. I guess
maybe they'll be back at the dinersso a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
well if Jordan becomes a waitress,then he'll just take Sarah's job.
The punishment in small Ville is youhave to work at the diner. You
wor at the diner. The nicething is with that heat vision, he's

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never bringing out cold food, soat the very least, you know,
the diners is always gonna have warmfood. So um. Then they have
the meteor meteor shower of viewing partythat's getting set up. And I don't
know who was whose bright idea wasto put put coach Coach Gains in charge
of this um, but yeah,it's uh, that was something special.

(29:48):
Coach Gaines's victory lap. He didn'tsay a word about the Gators, though
I was worried about that. Iwas like, Okay, he's got to
say something about the Gators. He'slike, you know, they're having a
meter of viewering party over in thegators hometown. We gotta make it twice
as good. Yeah, did wedid? We already go past I'm having
trouble in my sequence where the familyis sitting at the diner having the conversation.

(30:11):
Um, when the Kens are atthe diner. Yes, no,
that's a little bit after this.Okay, sorry, go ahead. Then
yeah, yeah, so I thinkafter this scene was Lois, Clark,
and Chrissy are at the Gazette.Chrissie tells them about the baby, and
then that's where Clark is kind oflike you could tell he's a little distracted,
and all of a sudden he's likeJudge Reagan was murdered. And then

(30:33):
you have a scene kind of soonafter that where they go to Metropolis.
Lois and Clark go to Metropolis andher body was left kind of in the
shadow of the Daily Planet. SoLois knows that this is a message from
Lex Luthor. It's the first timethey've quote quote heard from Lex in over
a month. So it was theCSI Metropolis scene. They're both standing there

(30:56):
in like Tritch coats over the deadbody. Yeah, yeah, you need
the Law and Order dune done.Yeah, there you go. Yeah,
I needed somebody to say poticuial hemorrhaging. It's always like my wife and if
if we ever played drinking games.We used to watch Law and Order Criminal
Intent a lot, and if weever played any kind of drinking games,

(31:17):
we're like, you can't play adrinking game to the phrase poticuial hemorrhaging because
they say it every episode, sometimesmultiple times an episode. So we would
play the non alcoholic drinking gameto thatone, We're like, yeah, heard
it once, oh, heard ittwice U. So yeah, we got
that scene and then the super awkwardscene where General Gramps shows up with his

(31:41):
lady friend and introduces her to thefraternals and Natalie there you know, the
little the senior swipe situation is alittle uh, a little handsy there in
front of the kids, so littleGropy Grandma grow yeah, as John Lovitce
was saying a little too rendy.Yeah, so um, I he's not

(32:02):
going to be on the show anymore. So I almost feel bad doing this,
but for this episode, I'm gonnarename him. He is now redubbed
General Groups. That is that ishis new name for the last episode he's
going to be in. I'm justhappy Grandpa got the second base before this
season shut down, So I wastoo that that is the other thing.
Maybe I'm okay with them wrapping upis general Gramp's getting to getting to go

(32:27):
on a date. You don't haveto be lonely at Grandpa's only dot com.
Yeah. Um, then we haveJohn, Henry and Lana are out
having drinks and uh they also geta little handsy with each other and more.
Um. And so this was oneof the other situations of hey,
it's a season finale, we don'tknow if we're coming back, let's all

(32:49):
shack up with each other. Um. So I there were a lot of
people online that I was reading abunch of comments and people were like,
finally, like they've been you know, at will they won't They like all
see in and like, yeah,okay whatever, Like I mean, who
cares? Yeah, yeah, it'swe may not see him again. So
like, is this how you wantto wrap up the characters? But all
right, now we're at the pointwhere the Kents are having dinner at the

(33:13):
diner. So this is dinner atthe diner and and Jordan is kind of
being a jerk again to Sarah,Um, did you I trust and you
kind of brought this one up.Did you have something you want to say
about the Yeah, I just oneof the things that Jason I have talked
a lot about is that we lovethe the family side of this thing.
And when Lois and Clark do somereal parenting like we all have to do

(33:36):
on a daily basis, and theytell and and Dad says, hey,
here's some money, you need togo fix things. Yeah, and he
and he does, and he bucksup and does what he's supposed to do.
That I love that. Yeah,yeah, I did like that scene.
And like you, like you guyssaid, that's one of the things
that's one of the big pluses ofthis show for me is and that's why
I really enjoy in even in thecomics, just in the last don't know,

(34:00):
four five years or so, isI Love Dad Superman. You know,
I loved the comics where it was, you know, the super sons
of John Kent and Damian Wayne teamingup with each other, and then every
once in a while their dads wouldshow up and and you know, Clark
would be doing his dad thing andBruce would make an attempt at doing his

(34:22):
dad thing, and you know,I really enjoy Dad's Superman. And so
when they do that in this show, that is that's the family dynamic.
I want to see, like,sometimes I'm usually okay with the cushing stuff,
and I'm usually okay with some ofthe other stuff, but that stuff
tends to grate on my nerves alittle bit. But I'm mostly here to

(34:43):
see the Kent's and I really enjoywhen they do that stuff. Yeah.
Uh so General gropes and Gretchen ishis girlfriend's name, and they continue the
party in the alleyway, so itturns into an alleyway makeout session, which
then unfortunately then turns into a kidnapping. And I don't know, I was

(35:05):
kind of grateful that van showed upand everything stopped. Oh saved by the
Dodge Ram. Yeah. But themore shocking piece of this not that Gretchen
was as soon as they mentioned thename Gretchen, like little alarm bells went
off at the back of my headand my Gretchen Wait, I know a
Gretchen from Superman stuff. Ah,okay, I have a thought here.

(35:31):
So when you find out that Gretchen'sa bad guy and working for Lex Luthor,
that was not quite as shocking asall of a sudden, when Otis
shows up popping out of the van, I'm like, dude, you got
eaten at the end of last episode, how are you here? Like you
you should be. I don't know. I mean you should be in Zomba

(35:52):
Zarrow's digestive track right now. Wellit's thirty two days later, so I
guess not. But I'm like atthe end of Jobs four where you see
Jake get eaten by the shark andbleed out and die and then oh no,
he's swimming. He's fine, everything'scool. Yeah. Yeah, maybe
this lex luthor spent all of hismoney on Otis clones. Yeah, he

(36:15):
doesn't need clones for himself. He'slike, I'm I'm fine. I you
know, I don't guess said forfor Trecky fans out there, John helped
me earlier today by mentioning Gretchen thatGretchen and Lowis and Clark was played by
the same lady who played Tasha Yaron Star Trek Next Generation. Nice.

(36:35):
Yeah, I think that was inthe first episode of Lewis and Clark if
I remember right, either first orfirst or second? Um? But yeah,
yeah, so, um so Gretchen, So well, we'll do this
for just a second. Gretchen isGretchen Kelly, I'm assuming um, and
you said you went on IMDb.Did they give her that last name?
Yes? Okay, yes they did. Okay, so she is Gretchen Kelly.

(36:59):
Gretchen Kelly. We'll go to schoolfor just a second, DC School
and Gretchen Kelly in the nineties,late late eighties, early nineties was Lex
Luthor's personal physician, and this wasthe time when Lex Luthor had been diagnosed
with cancer because of the Kryptonite ringthat he used to wear on his finger
all the time as his way of, you know, keeping Superman away,

(37:22):
and so it was always understood inthe comics it's like, oh, yeah,
kryptonite doesn't do anything to humans.So that was a bit of a
plot twist that they did in thelate eighties early nineties where they were like,
well, actually, if you stickit on your finger and just leave
it there long enough, sure it'sgoing to mess up humans too, and
it gives Lex Luthor cancer. Sothey do this storyline where Lex is dying

(37:44):
and he knows he's dying, andthis goes on for a while, and
then what you find out is nowsuddenly there is a Lex dies, and
suddenly there is a Lex Luthor two, and he's got these long, luscious
red locks and a beard, andyou don't get it from the comics,
but he's supposed to have an Australianaccent, which is kind of a tribute

(38:07):
to the fact that, you know, Gene Hackman always wanted Australia, so
the understanding would be, well,of course, you know, if Lex
was going to make up a fakeson, he'd be from Australia. So
you have this long red hair,red beard Australian Lex Luthor that shows up
claims to be the the love childof Lex Luthor, and this doctor Gretchen

(38:32):
Kelly is the one that kind ofhelped him fake his death and also helped
with the cloning process because what youspoiler alert what you find out is is
that Lexu Lex Luthor two is actuallya clone of the original Lex Luthor,
and they in a classic fifties stylemovie, they stole Lex Luthor's brain and

(38:53):
they put it into this new clone, and that was Lex Luthor two.
So he was just, you know, same as the old Lex, just
a little better and a little wowso little less follically challenged that kryptonite ring.
I may have just learned the originshere of one of my action figure
when I was a kid. Mymy Superman Action figure, uh came equipped

(39:15):
with a child size Kryptonite ring.And when you held that Kryptonite ring on
your hand, when you put itup to the Superman Action figure, he
would fall down because there was amagnet. Yeah, I remember that one.
Yeah, yeah, nice. Yeah. Yeah, So that's kind of
the story behind. Oh yeah,there's probably some sort of effects. I'm

(39:36):
gonna say weight gain, yeah yeah, um, but yeah, so that's
that's kind of the story behind thecomic book version of Gretchen Kelly. And
as you mentioned, she shows upas a character in the first or first
and second episode of Lewis and ClarkThe New Adventures of Superman with Dean Kane
and Terry Hatcher, the one theyhad in the nineties, played by Denise
Crosby, from which I don't thinkthat's that's not a cloning situation. Spoiler

(40:00):
alert for Star Trek. She alsoplays a character later in Star Trek that
is a if it's not a clone, it's a child of Tasha Yar's character
that shows up later and looks exactlylike her. She's a Vulcan. At
one point she is I think it'sa Romulan. I think she was at
some point. I feel like atsome point she might have been either kidnapped

(40:22):
by Romulans or they took her DNAor something like that. And oh,
because you know, it was analternate universe Tasha Yar and she ended up
having a child with one of herRomulan captors that she kind of fell in
love with, and that's how thatwhole thing happened. And you knew it
was mirror verse because she had amustache. Yes, because everybody has the

(40:42):
GOTE. So it's a little awkwardwhen Denise Crosby showed up with a got
but yeah, yeah, um soyeah, so we got the kidnapping.
Um. Did you notice Jason turnedaway during our Star Trek talk slowly.
I don't even know what you guysare talking about. Um. Yeah,
So then Jordan, as we talkedabout the diner scene, Jordan does make

(41:05):
up and shake hands with Sarah.We have this is around the time where
we have the scene with Lana andJohn Henry that are vigorously enjoying each other's
company, and then we have ascene with this is during or kind of
during the Meteor Watch party. Um, Natalie Lois and Clark realize that General

(41:27):
Gropes is missing, and we cutto another scene where we've got Luther in
the subway where they are wait wait, wait, wait, wait, doesn't
Natalie say, like, where's Grandpa? I think she's like, where's grandpa?
And again I'm like maybe there's likean almost almost awkward look on people's
faces, like maybe don't maybe,don't ask like exactly Grandma's got him a

(41:51):
girlfriend. Leave him alone, Jordan, whatever you do, don't turn on
your superhero. Now is not thetime. But on some headphones. Put
on some headphones. Um So,Luther is down in his subway making some
fresh sandwiches out of live cows,giving some food to Zomba Zaro, who
apparently is a Jurassic Park velociraptor.Now, um as, they're lowering the

(42:15):
live cow into the subway car thatthey've kind of got him locked up in.
Then we get a flashback to theend of last episode and um so,
apparently otis pulled and it was atEvander Holyfield that got his ear beaten
bitten off. Yes, yes,that's right, or or did he do
the biting I can't remember, gotoff twenty six years ago today. As

(42:38):
a matter of fact, there yougo, mind blown and earblown. Um.
So, so yeah, Otis holyField gets only apparently his ear beaten
off, although there were a lotof chomping noises for just an ear getting
beaten off. But right, that'sright. Um. And so we see
in this flashback that Luther shot itshot zombie Barrow with some kind of energy

(43:00):
gun, and I was trying tofigure out. I didn't get a chance
to go look anything up, butum, I'm trying to figure out a
lot of these weapons that they seemto pull. Um, did you guys
think that that was X kryptonite ordid you think that that was sunlight?
Because I know that's what I thoughttoo. Okay, all right, because
Bizarro doesn't react well to sunlight.Like him, he's the opposite of Superman.

(43:22):
So in the back of my mind, I was like, all right,
well it doesn't really matter, butit's either X kryptonite or it's sunlight,
and well he's harnessed. One hasto ask the question, Lex has
been in prison for the past seventeenyears, how did he get a hold
of X kryptonite like that? Andno problem? And I know he's the

(43:44):
greatest criminal of our age. Buta lot of far fetched stuff going on
right here at the very end.So if you want to hear my theory,
Okay, here we go. Let'shere. The most interesting character this
ever worked for Lex is Mercy Gravesbecause she also has kind of her own,
you know, ideas of taking overthings, and she's super smart,

(44:07):
and I could totally see Mercy Gravesheading into small film stockpiling that stuff for
herself and for Lex when he cameout. But again, they didn't show
us Mercy Graves. So yeah,yeah, you mentioned that. One of
the things I forgot to mention alittle bit earlier is when Lois and Clark
are going through some of their files. I think they're at the Gazette and

(44:28):
Clark name drops. He's like,do you have let's pull the Dell Portensa
files and take a look at thatbecause there might be something and he kind
of I think he also says,because when she took over lex Corps,
maybe there's some stuff we can findin there. So I don't know if
they're gonna if they're gonna have Iwould assume if Lex is going to be
a bigger figure in the next season, they might bring her into this as

(44:51):
well. So here's another you know, DC comics school lesson for today.
There was a character in the Iwant to say early to mid nineties,
probably mid nineties, that was namedContessa Erica Alexandra del Portenza, so say
that three times real fast. Butshe was Lex Luthor's wife, so they

(45:13):
had married at some point. Theyactually had a child together. I think
I mentioned last episode that Lena Luthor. There was a Lena Luther that was
his child in the comics, Andthere was a point in time where Lex
Luthor was I'm trying to remember.He was either he was either dying again
or he like they had rediscovered allof his crime, so he was going

(45:37):
to go away for a while,and so she was taking over Lex Corey
in his place. So there wasa set of time where in the nineties
Luther had this like personal mercenary securityteam called Team Luther, and they had
like these suits with these rocket bootsand blasters on their hands and all kinds
of other stuff. And actually whenhe was when Lex Luthor was kind of

(45:58):
dating Supergirl, his security detail wasbasically Supergirl and Team Luther. Well,
the Contessa took over and she changedthat. She kind of had her own
little army going on. I thinkthey were called the Centurions, and they
all looked very almost like Neo Romankind of characters. And there was a
new kind of hero that had cometo Metropolis named Alpha Centurion, who was

(46:22):
from another planet. And so therewas that whole thing going on in the
comics, and she took over LexCorps for a while, and in a
lot of ways she was just asruthless as Lex Luthor was. So that
is though, when they dropped thename del Portenza, that is her last
name from that character in the comics. A few years later in the comics

(46:42):
when Lex is back and you know, steals his daughter back a couple of
times from her. Eventually she andI think it's pretty much off panel.
She comes to a pretty abrupt endwhen he's trying to tie up loose ends
when actually when he gets elected president, um, he's trying to tie up
loose ends, and I believe hesends a bunch of missiles to her island

(47:06):
compound and blows her up. Andso that was the that was the end
of her. I think that wasin the very early two thousands, because
he got Lex Luther got elected presidentin I want to say two thousand or
two thousand and one in the comics, and they had a whole series of
stories with President lex Um. Butthat's about the time she died because he
didn't want her alive to share anysecrets. So so that is the Contessa

(47:30):
is what she's usually known as inthe comics. But that's that's that name
when they when they mentioned her um. So here's I mean? And this
this to me, other than thefight scene at the end, this is
probably the other biggest scene other thana bunch of you know, in between
stuff that happens, is the scenewhere lex is killing Bizarrow zomb Bizarrow over

(47:51):
and over and over again, andhe kind of finds that and this is
where we get the title the episodeis the more he kills him, the
more it strengthens him. That hekills him and he comes back to life,
and he comes back to life,he's a little bit stronger, and
so he does it again, andhe does it again, and it turns
into this whole thing. I'm notdead, Yeah, he says, he's

(48:13):
not dead. Yes, he isn't. Well, he's very well. I'm
getting better now you're not you'll bestone dead in a moment, I can't
take him like that. And thenZomba Zarrow gets up and it's like,
I feel happy. I feel happy. One whack on the head and he's
done for um and so I andI think I texted you guys earlier in

(48:34):
the day. My favorite part ofthis whole scene. Of course, they
whip out the weapons, and allthese weapons seem to have x K kind
of embedded in the edges of theaxes and the and the swords and everything
else, and then he pulls outa um it almost looked more red than
XK, So I didn't know ifit was supposed to be like a red
sun chainsaw. But then I waslike, well, that wouldn't work on
Bizarrow, so it must have hadsome kind of XK or something in it.

(48:59):
Um. But they about the chainsaw, and as a huge fan of
the Evil Dead movies, Lex Luthorjust goes right at him with the chainsaw
and ahead a moment of like aclose up of Zomba Zarrow's face doing the
whole scream, and I'm like,that is exactly like Evil Ash in Army
of Darkness when Ash is you know, cutting up the pieces of his body

(49:20):
to bury him in the ground andlike that they have to if there's no
mistake, like that has to havebeen kind of a tribute to that.
So it's it's way too close,almost like a frame by frame recreation of
that. So so that's got tobe what they were looking at there.
But yeah, this this pretty constantkilling and bringing back to life and killing
and bringing back to life, andand this may be the last DC school

(49:43):
session I get to have for thisseason. So did either of you guys
read back in the day In thenineties, the comic book series was a
three part series that came after thedeath and Return of Superman called Superman Doomsday
Hunter Prey. I did not,Okay, I don't remember that one.
Okay, So this one kind ofacts like an epilogue to the entire death

(50:05):
and Return of Superman story. Basically, what happens is Superman is having it
was it was a three issue thingkind of on its own. Superman is
having nightmares, and he's having thesenightmares about being a kid and or being
younger, and there's something in thedark that's terrifying him. And in his
nightmare, when the thing comes outof the dark, it's always Doomsday,
and so Superman. Superman basically says, I feel like I'm being drawn back

(50:29):
to Doomsday. I know we chuckedhis body into into deep space, but
I just I feel like I needto he tells Lois. He's like,
I feel like I've got something's unresolvedhere. I feel like I'm being drawn
back to his body. I needto go find out what happened to his
body. And I just got tomake sure he's dead. And so Superman
basically goes on kind of an intergalacticromp to go find Doomsday and ultimately ends

(50:52):
up discovering that Doomsday is not dead. Even after he was, you know,
he killed Superman. Superman killed him. It finds out that he's not
dead, and we learn a littlebit of Doomsday's backstory that Doomsday was a
genetic experiment. So this is whythey kind of explained, this is why
Doomsday was drawn to Superman in thecomics and wanted to beat him to death.

(51:15):
Is that because Doomsday was actually fromKrypton, Like, he was a
genetic experiment from Krypton thousands of yearsago, and what they kept doing was
the scientist that was creating him keptsending him out. They wanted to make
the like the perfect organism, sothey kept sending him out into the harsh
wilderness of Crypton and he would dieof starvation, and then they'd bring him

(51:38):
back and they'd reclone him. They'dsend him back out, he'd be ripped
apart by wild animals. They'd bringhim back, they'd clone him again,
they'd send him back out. Hewould die of heat exposure. Like they'd
send him back out that, they'dshoot him. They do all kinds of
so it's kind of like what Lexis doing. They would keep killing him
and then they would take the remains, reclone it again, and keep putting
it back out there. So whatyou learn about Doomsday at that point is

(52:01):
Doomsday actually cannot die like there heis. He's basically gonna however he dies,
he will come back to life atsome point not long after that,
and now he can never be killedthe same way that he was before.
So in this story, Superman doesactually end up finding him and they have
you know, kind of a secondbattle with each other. But Superman realizes

(52:23):
I can't just beat him to death, you know again, because he already
died that way, and that's nothow Doomsday works. Doomsday has to be
destroyed or gotten rid of some otherway. But I'm Superman, Like I
beat things to death. That's all. That's all I got, So I
gotta find some other way. SoI don't want to spoil it for you,
but Superman does find a creative wayto take care of Doomsday at the

(52:45):
end of that story. I'm notgoing to tell you how or what Doomsday's
fate is. But so that waskind of a if you were looking at
the full story of the death andthe return of Superman, that's kind of
like the epilogue that wraps up thewhole thing. So that really reminded this
whole scene of Lex killing him,bringing him back, killing him, bringing

(53:06):
him back, and he gets strongerevery single time, was a little bit
of a nod back to that storyin the comics. Nice. Nice.
So we've got we've got the scene, We've got the awkward scene where Kyle
proposes to Chrissy in the middle oftown. We've got Superman is above the
earth, listening into everybody and findsthat Luther has shown up at the Kent

(53:29):
Farm and comes down, confronts himthere, basically tells him to get lost.
That's when Luther pulls out his ownlittle you know, beeper device and
he calls Doomsday, who then comescrashing down into the barn, and then
for the rest of the episode isbasically fight town like it is now.
You know, the first rule ofthe Kent Farm is if this is your

(53:50):
face to hi at the Kent Farm, you have to fight. Well,
the first two rules are we don'ttalk about it. But yeah. So
they go crashing into downtown small andyou kind of yet you get a quick
little scene there of Superman and he'she's all kinds of messed up. He's
not looking good, and he turnsto his family, you know, I
think particularly Jordan, but John Henryas well in the others, and he

(54:13):
basically kind of turns them is like, look, don't like, don't follow
me, don't try to help me, just don't. And it's kind of
like his way of saying goodbye,which is kind of similar to some of
the moments that he had in theDeath of Superman comics too. He like
some of the other heroes that werethere, he just like turned to them.
He's like, just stay back,like this is not gonna be this

(54:34):
is not gonna be good, andI know it's not gonna be good.
A savage beat down as they endup in Metropolis, the whole subway fight,
Doomsday carries Superman into space, hegets a little bit. You know,
what revives Superman is basically sunlight andclip show flashbacks. So we have
we have the the clip show flashbacksthat revive Superman and which was very similar

(54:58):
to like Harry Potter. I think. I think it's like an Order of
the Phoenix when he's you know,being taken down by He who shall not
be named, and then what bringshim back is remembering his family and all
that kind of thing and friends.Yeah, so one more thing we've got
to cut out, Jason and Ido. But I just wanted to say

(55:19):
there was some payoff here in thatthey said we started last season thinking that
we were going to get Doomsday becauseof the kran Kran the Fist, and
they did bring a payoff a littlebit. That's true. But I felt
a little bit like I did aspoiler alert for Across the Spider Verse.
I felt like I did during thatmovie because I was like, Okay,

(55:39):
things are really building, things arebuilding. I looked down up my watch
and I'm like, oh no,they don't have time to do this.
It was the same problem and yeah, and that's where we end because they're
they're on the moon and they're readyfor the beat down, and then we
fade to Superman symbol and that's theend of the episode. So that's kind
of my quick We've been saying itas we've gone along, but that's kind
of my quick view of this oneis this should have been these last two

(56:01):
episodes should have been part of adifferent season. There was too much to
do to wrap this stuff up andstart by introducing Lex Luthor last episode and
introduced Doomsday this episode. It wasit was too quick. So I've had
a little bit of a ding inthe armor of the writers, But I'm
not going to completely blame them becausethis whole situation with are they renewed,

(56:23):
are they not renewed, what's thebudget going to be, what's like that
kind of stuff, I don't evenknow the half of probably what was going
on behind the scenes with the saleof the CW and all these other things.
So I am looking forward to nextseason. I'm you know, a
little sad that some of our characterswon't be back or won't be back as
much. But yeah, this wasnot This was not the ending to this

(56:45):
season that I was hoping for.Yeah, totally agree, totally agree.
All right, Well, everybody,we are We're probably on a bit of
a break until next season. Wemay have some little episodes here and there,
may come back and do some comicbook stuff. For if we have
more news on the Superman Legacy moviecastingor anything like that, we might come

(57:05):
back and do a little bit ofa reaction to that. But um,
otherwise, you can check all ofus out at our respective podcast. I'm
at the thirty something podcast if Ithirty podcast dot com. Uh, and
then Jason, you guys are overat the surely can't be serious podcast and
I'm listening and you're listening. Sobut yeah, so everybody, we've it's
been a fun season and we're lookingforward to seeing you back here for the

(57:29):
next one. But keep this inyour podcast feed because we may have some
other stuff that comes along during thesummertime and in the fall, But otherwise
we will We're gonna go up upin a way, and we'll see you
when we see you. Thanks guys, Thanks next season, all right,
see everybody, he does lay itdown me, though super badly that time.

(58:06):
Stay with me tonight. I gottab cripp my gotta