July 7, 2025 • 34 mins
Ryan McCormick introduces a new 18-part podcast series "The Journey Beyond Death" and discussed its inspiration from personal loss and exploration of death, consciousness, and the afterlife featuring various perspectives including near-death experience accounts and insights on processing grief through different methods like psychedelics.
Ryan is the host of the "Outer Limits of Inner Truth" podcast and the co-founder/media relations specialist at Goldman McCormack Public Relations. Ryan's new 18-part series, "The Journey Beyond Death," explores loss, consciousness, and the afterlife through 65 interviews, including 20 with near-death experience survivors.
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Ryan is the host of the "Outer Limits of Inner Truth" podcast and the co-founder/media relations specialist at Goldman McCormack Public Relations. Ryan's new 18-part series, "The Journey Beyond Death," explores loss, consciousness, and the afterlife through 65 interviews, including 20 with near-death experience survivors.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Podcasting since two thousand and five. This is the King
of Podcasts Radio Network, King of Podcasts dot.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Com Podcasters ROW, those with the Journey Beyond Death Welcome
to podcasters, ROW. We can see you with another series
of interviews with various podcasters out there that are putting
(00:28):
out some really compelling contents, very serious stubfect we're going
to talk about today. It is life after death or
just the the feelings and the fears that we have
about death coming to us. You know it is we
are mortal, it is inevitable, and you know you can
when you think about this, you might think of from
(00:49):
a spiritual or a very celestials kind of standpoint, but
we're going to talk about that with a host of
the Outer Limits of Inner Truth podcasts. He is launching
a new series called The Jrty. Beyond Death is an
eighteen part podcast series building into loss, consciousness, and what
may come after. Weaving together sixty five original interviews with
(01:11):
interviews from individual from all walks of life, grief counselor, psychologists, mediums,
and that'll be twenty individuals who had near death experiences
and the series looks to and be one of the
most in depth compassionate and thought provoking explorations of death
and the afterlife ever produced in modern media, and I'm
here with the host. He's also a co founder imdiate
(01:31):
relationship specialist at Goldman McCormick Public Relations, Ryan McCormick, Ryan,
thank you for being with me.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Thank you so much, George. It's a great honor to
be with you, and I'm very excited to be here,
so thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is a very very heavy subject and I don't know,
I mean for myself. I can tell you that for
years I used to always have panic attacks about this
kind of thing where you know it's and for me,
when I have these feelings, it just makes me go
farther into my faith. I'm a very devout Catholic church
(02:06):
goer every week and it's one of those things where
and I think what changed the way I feel about
that is because I lost my mother coming up three
years in August and one step thank you. I appreciate it.
It's one of those things where I think when the
loss of a very a loved one or just one
that's very close to you, that makes you reflect. It
(02:28):
takes you from trying to ignore it or trying to
dissuade from it, and it just makes you have to
go ahead and focus on what to do with our
lives and what and to make the most of our lives.
Tell me about this series? What was it that was
the onus that said I need to do this? Obviously
your programming is I wouldn't say it's coast to coast,
(02:51):
am I guess? I mean, but that would kind of
be in that realm. I mean, obviously it's that kind
of content. It's very It's not something it's a it's
a some big univer hear much about. But podcasting allows
this medium. What was it drew you to this undertaking here?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Sure, I'll give you a little bit about the the
experience will inspired, but I want to just point out
that this eighteen parts series, it's for two types of individuals.
It's for those who are experiencing a loss that are
seeking no comfort. It's also of those who are just
curious about light after death. So it really begins with
(03:28):
about ten stories from people who've lost those who was
a lost one close, so you know right away you're
not alone, and then it goes into mental health aspects,
and then it further progresses and the journey through this
is actually one where it's very hard the beginning, and
then a year you're going to find it gets light up.
The what we really inspired this series was years ago
(03:51):
a good friend of mine he lost his fiance and
he lost his mother in law, was soon to be
mother in law, a tragic car accident. It was horrible,
and I remember how horrible it was, and I just
I wanted to do something. I felt, like, you know,
people who've gone through that, I wanted to provide something
(04:12):
beyond it. They always say boughts and prayer something, but
what else can you do? Well, how else can you
can you present or bring people comfort? So that originally
inspired me to do this series, and I wanted to
do it make up, make something very comprehensive, so it
isn't just one or two people's perspective on this. It's
it's very comprehensive. And I think when you do a comprehensive,
(04:36):
in depth analysis on something like this, you ultimately wind
up with some really consistent messages. And I think that
there's consistent messages ultimately to provide peace and comfort. But
the main inspiration for this was to provide someone some
measure of peace and comfort that ultimately what this whole
thing came aboutout that's when inspired the series.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And the truth is it has the on the kind
of delicate balance you have to go and have to
where people that are coming into this, I think you're right. Yes,
people are going to be in grief, people that might
be feeling it in that moment or have been just
feeling it for years. I mean for many people. You know,
if you have a loved one, you know, for my father,
I know that you know he was married fifty plus year,
(05:19):
fifty five years together, fifty seven years with his wife,
and you know, I can tell you that probably for
the rest of his life it's never going to change
for him. He will still feel as much grief as
he will ever be. And it's just it doesn't it
doesn't normalize, don't feel like it's anything. It's just a
new normal and avoid to try to fill, just try
(05:40):
to go and keep going and keep moving on with life.
But then also would be people that that I'm sure
they're always in the throw of being there for people
that are going through grief or just going through there
when you're older. I mean, the funerals that you have
to go through for people that you know, things like that,
or just knowing that mortality is you know, coming it
(06:03):
started going to come to a precipice. It's one of
those things where I wonder, when you decided to go
and do this, why did you feel like you were
the person that wanted to go ahead and put this together?
Because it takes a lot of compassion. It takes a
lot of out of you because it's not anything that's happy.
It's a lot of sadness. It's a lot of darkness
(06:25):
to it. But at the same time, you're trying to
go and do this to help bring light and bring
some kind of hope or some kind of answers that
people have about this here.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I've always been in very instatively curious person and when
Out of Limit Symeter Truth started, which is about eleven
years ago, I was always trying to ask deep questions
and I always wanted to go in and focus on
topics that are very uncomfortable. And this just comes from
a personal development perspective. I find that when you go
(06:58):
and you go in the area of your life that
are uncomfortable, that's when you can get some good growth
out of it. And I saw an opportunity to say, well,
you know, I have this sensatable curiosity and then I
just happened to know all these people. I feel like
my life was kind of building and developing. I was
meeting all these people over the years. I feel like
this is this whole series is one of the main
(07:21):
reasons why I came to Earth, that this is one
of my biggest things that I came to Earth to
do is just together because I just happened to meet
all these different people, and I when I pulled back
and I go, Okay, well let's do a series on
death and passion. And then I found all these different individuals, like, well,
we can put we can find all these people. We
can put all these pieces of the puzzle in and
(07:42):
when you listen to it, you could be a person
of faith, it could be a person who doesn't have
any faith, and you're still going to see a lot
of practical tips and ad bias that can provide you
piece and comfort. One thing I think is pretty pretty
interesting is of those twenty eight people that have had
in your death experiences, a number of them work in
number of them who are at various faiths, and some
(08:04):
of the people that we were talking to that are mental
health experts, some of them are faith based, some of
them are not. But they're all bringing something. They're all
saying something. And I believe that for the individual who's
coming to just maybe they're curious or they're looking for something,
I think there's going to be one or two elements
within this particular series that's going to provide an answer
(08:26):
or at least put them on the path to getting
an answer that they're looking for.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So, was there really more about talking to people that
kind of understanding that they've experienced or they've worked with
enough people to give an understanding of what it feels
like to feel that moment of what is life after death?
Anything where I mean, was there anything where you had
to go and where you did talk to any spiritual leaders,
anybody that was you know, federal home directors, morticians, people
(08:54):
that have experienced, you know, maybe first responders that have
seen death in a firsthand military things like that. The
people that you spoke to tell me about who was
that you wanted to bring on to qualify the story
and also at the same time trying to avoid any
skepticism that people might have thinking this might be so sationalistic.
This is kind of the gotcha kind of thing. Tell
(09:15):
me about the balance there of who was the right
people to talk to, who are the right people to
talk to and what to talk about?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, if we're just like there's two different I guess
two different answers that when it comes to first hand
perspective losing someone up close. One of the first people
that I had on was Neil Smith. And Neil is
a well established individual. He happened to be the general
manager of the New York Rangers well national sports team. Yes,
and his son died in front of him, and he
(09:42):
was so horrm so tragic. And that's actually the first
way we started out. So what you basically start the
show at through his eyes and then right away it's
like you immediately know that you're walking somebody's walking through
with you on this one. As we go a little
farther along, when we start with near death experiences, one
of the first people we spoke with was doctor Jeffrey Long.
(10:05):
And doctor Jeffrey Long has done he studied about five
thousand cases of people that have had in your death experiences,
have been clinically dead and they've come back and they've
reported information, and I guess in the world today, sometimes
you can hear near death experience. It sounds weird, it
sounds power normal, it sounds to boot. The reality is
(10:28):
that it's it's far far more common then we even
know about it. That happens quite consistent in the luck
of people have reported having incredible visions, especially when they
go to sleep, when you're in a dream shape. So
but it's just like when we started out with him,
he was providing a foundation of Okay, well, listen, I've
(10:49):
studied five thousand cases. These are some of the consistent messages.
And then when we had the twenty eight people on
to talked about their near death experiences, there was a
there were a lot of running and rhythmic uh, you know,
similarities to their experiences. And I think that because of that,
a tremendous amount of confort can be can be derived
(11:12):
from this because some of these messages that are out there,
I don't think they're they're on our front to anyone's faith.
They're just another element out there there there. They're just
showing you what a perception is beyond this this reality
that we're correctly.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
In one of the episodes, you bring up in episode three.
That's very important for me, and also just points about
is you know, I work with Cannabis Radio. It's one
of the full time works to work with and we
do a lot when it comes to psychedelics, plant medicine
and cannabis and all. And the episode is specifical about psychedelics,
plant medicine, hypnosis. We've talked a lot about on that
(11:47):
network about ego death or various treatments either with ketamine
or with I begain various ideas and you know, also
even with you know, with the zyahuasca, any kind of
retreats or any kind of ceremonies that can be done
that bring people to their subconscious to experience what it
is like and see what it will be after life
after death, or be able to go ahead and connect
(12:08):
with someone that is dead that they can try to
reconnect with again. And one of the people you talked
to me specifically we were talking before the program was
doctor Rick Doblin, who's founder of the of MAPS multi
Disciplinary Association of Psycholic Studies. We've known about him for
a long time and as the not an easy person
going and get to join you for the interviews, but
you talk to them in this area and what ty
(12:32):
goes did you get from that area of psychedelics and
how people have gone to that route. Obviously for you
if a things for like depression or various issues, just
go and get through addiction things like that. But then
this area of death, tell me about what you got.
Take it away from that part.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
But it took away from talking to people like doctor
Rick Doblin and then talking to Dylan Charles and then
talking to one of nation's foremost academene experts, is that
there are a number of different ways to process grief,
to process emotion, to work on yourself, and if you
(13:12):
do ketamine, if you do ayahuasca, if you take MDMA,
they were all paths to an ultimate goal, which is
a healing and understanding, and some of these methods conn
be very effective. Mean I personally have done MDMA and ayahuasca.
I have to say that when it comes to a
(13:34):
different level of understanding and grasping what reality is that
they've been absolutely profound, some of the most beautiful experiences
I've ever had. And the idea that they're out there,
that they're more common and that they're more mainstream, I
think it's a great thing because it provides people another
tool that they can utilize for themselves. So talking to
(13:56):
doctor Goblin, you just we've got to grasp of how
this is advancing. This could be really good for certain individuals.
Talking to Dylan Charles, you talked about eye again and
talked about some of these other things like iohwaska. Some
of these venues, they can be a little challenging if
you're not used to aahuasca. Basically, you'll take this medicine
(14:18):
and you'll be kind of you won't you won't be
able to you'll be out for about eight hours. You'll
have DMT and it could be a very beautiful experience.
It can be another way of seeing yourself in the
processing reality. So I think that the purposely included these
things because I wanted people to have access to all
different areas. Some will process grief through a grief counselor
(14:41):
they'll do it on their own, but to let everyone
know that you have all these options available. I wanted
to because anyone could access this and say, well that
could work for me, or that could work for me,
but ultimately give you a wrap up, I guess of all.
Their answer is that these methods like MDMA. They just
they open up venues that people popitted have access to before,
(15:03):
and they could that could be the perfect thing for
a person.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You also not only do in the eighteen part series.
You have the eighteen parts, but you also have sub
arts in the middle board. You have three part series
that are all the six this years and one a
particular where you're doing death after the communication, a two
part into that where you're talking to psychic mediums, astrologers
and those that are Then they're going to go ahead
(15:28):
and mention how they've been to go ahead and communicate
with the dead, and that this is still a practice
that it holds true. People are still very much in
search of trying to go and connect with people that
have moved on, and if they're able to go and
make a connection and they feel like there is a
connection and I don't have any I guess part of
it is, too, is that you have to go ahead
and take yourself away from just being grounded in reality
(15:53):
here that you have to have a leap of faith
no matter what not things spiritually, but you have to
go ahead and believe there's other things. You know more,
there's a metaphysical part of the world there's also the subconscious.
There's things that you have to kind of open your
mind up a lot more to really be able to
go and gather with what you're talking about here and
what you've found out.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Well, it's I've learned that doing this particular, the two
part aspect of after death communication, it's we have the
gift of those sports for lesbia at the gift of
psyche hearing motions. But then if you look at those
senses that we have, is it's a matter of perception,
(16:33):
it's a matter of expanding those Some of I think
almost all of us have probably gotten an intuitive feeling
and we can't explain that. It's kind of hard, what's
a scientific explanation. But behind an intuitive feeling, if you
start looking more into that, you may probably going to
be able to perceive a little bit more about after
death communication. One of the two elements to that, I
(16:54):
guess I'd say that we got a lot of information
a lot is that those who you love or ones
they have a tendency here, they can often communicate with
us in dreams because we are not in our physical bodies,
apparently our spirits are on a different plane and we
can receive communication. From there, we can receive communication for
a number of different signs. My sister this happened only
(17:18):
a few days ago. She was at a hospital. She
went to get something to drink, and apparently on die
coke they have these names now, they put names on
on podles, and she happened to grab two bottles and
they happened to be the names of my grandmother and grandfather,
and we got into that as a sign of that
they were watching over her. So I learned that through
(17:39):
this two part area is apparently we are immersed in signs.
There are tons of indication that those who are not
in the physical body are reaching out to us. And
it seems like it's a it's a big leap of
faith in metaphysics. But if you just apparently, if we
work on our senses and Spanish sensitivity and senses, that
(18:01):
we can perceive some of these. A lot of the
metaphysical teachers I spoke with Dorot, they were talking about
how if you are grounded, if you meditate, you quiet
your mind, you can just listen a lot of this
information as there. When it comes to some psychic mediums,
they have the capability of interacting or communicating with those
(18:24):
who are in spirit. I've had a number of situations
where I don't say it call the situation, but those
who've been communicating information from those who are no longer
with us, and the experience has been viewiful. And I
think that for somebody who has lost someone who is
definitely warning, you learn about i'd say five or six
(18:45):
solid techniques on how to be open and how to
look for after death communication.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The second half of the series is focused solely on
near death experiences, whether it's either researchers or survivors. Is
there any kind of common theme among all these experiences
that you learned that say, what did they see coming
out of their near death experience? Sure?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I mean number one is that most all of them
are saying that how strange it is that we believe
that we're human beings. Is that it's such as once
you get out of the human body, you're a spirit.
You're going to realize that the human body was just
a vehicle for evolution. The same way we get in
our cars. We get out of one car, we go
to another car, and then while on the road we
look and say, well, that's a truck. Well, we don't
(19:30):
look at the person behind it, and apparently behind all
humans is a spirit, and it's a spirit looking for evolution,
for growth, that's here for a certain experience. And it
was really interesting that most people were talking about, Okay,
once you're out of the body, you're in a place
of love, Like this whole place is an illusion. It
is it's not what real life is. It's not nothing
(19:51):
close to being in spirit and being nommunational love. And
apparently when you get out of the body, you get
something called a life review where you remember relive all
elements of your life, and you also relive how people
who are responding to your actions and thoughts. So, you know,
sometimes I was always worried, like, you know, all these
(20:13):
bad people would do these bad things, why doesn't something
happen to them. Well, apparently at the end of their
lives they experienced what they put out. I found that
to be soothing but also scary at the same time,
because I don't want to, you know, I'm worried about
how my actions have affect other others. And there's another thing.
But some of the other great aspects is that people
(20:33):
just seem to all be reunited with their family and
their friends and they go to a beautiful place, and
most part is that you are just in a beautiful
place among conditional life. Like. The thing that I always
it was the most against strangest thing is that most
pom were saying, and you'll never believe that you believe
that you were human being. That was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But do you feel like they're saying when they talk
about what they see and how how fats and how
amazing everything looks from what they can see, are they saying, essentially,
do they feel like that you're seeing heaven, that they
are experiencing what it looks like to go and go
through the pearly gates and being able to go and
see heaven for the first time.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
They're talking, they're talking about it in a couple of ways.
They're talking about seeing it in three hundred and sixty
degrees without the without the seeing through human body. It's
it's I wouldn't say it's not necessarily it's not just heaven.
It's just the the aspect of shifting your perception from
being in the human body to being out of the
human body and the month's spirit. So heaven apparently is
(21:38):
all around us. It's it's all around us. It's a
matter of perception. And I'm going to go a little
farther down the rabbit hole with this is that as
we some of the people, like the last two we had,
vincetneys Holman and Nancy Datis, and Nancy Daison describes this
idea that there's one being, one conscious being, and that
(21:59):
we are all points of attraction of one conscious being,
and the conscious being, the universal conscious being, has points
of attraction of itself, taking on various forms so we
can perceive reality and experience itself. That's a very deep,
profound rabbit a hole is going on. But that's where
some of these new death experiences were leading. They were
(22:19):
all talking about how this is a place of growth.
This earth can be a very hard school. It's a
place where we attain it with different experiences, and that
our souls are very brave to come to earth, especially
in this particular time period.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Would be safe to say that just about every reaction
from those experiences were positive.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes, I think every reaction was positive except for Howard Storm.
Howard Storm was the gay crasher. When he went to Hell,
he had a he had a very negative experience and
he went to Hell and he saw what hell was?
He described it, and ultimately he was he was brought
out and came out and Betty Edie described some uh
(23:00):
tough ter relations, but then she met up she met
Jesus in the afterlife, and she said it was a
totally beautiful experience. The others have said and what they shraped.
Something that I personally were worried about is they were
worried about how they how they judged themselves when they
were in the after life, how they how they judge
their own life here on earth. Well, I'd see a vast,
(23:20):
vast majority of those interviewed they all said that okay,
once they're out of the body, that they went to
this tunnel of light. And it's so strange, so many
different people that are describing a lot of things with
great similarities, not detailed, but a lot of ming ideas.
So at the end of it, I was was actually
pretty comforting and knowing, Okay, well, if that happens, I
don't it's a pain of it. I'm worried about that.
(23:43):
But once you're out of the body and aarly it's blissed.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So there were some people that said they were only
going to see themselves out of body, or they could
actually see themselves almost as a ghost like the movie goes,
and they were able to go and see their loved
ones after they've they they've passed, as they would see it.
They were able to go and see that and then
visited that as well.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yep, they were some people they hovered about their bodies
in the hospital that they were able to hear things
that they couldn't hear before, So they were fully aware
of what was going on, but they all got to
their places differently. Most of the time, when people get
out of the body, from what we talked to the
death experiences is that they still have the perception that
(24:24):
they're any human body even though they're out of the body.
And then once they realize that they're out of the body,
of their perception starts to change. They start having a
wider perspective, they start being able to see things, they
hear things in like three sixty and then they were
able to start perceiving different things that they couldn't do before.
And one of the aspects of ayahuasca, which is known
(24:45):
as the fine of death, is to kind of give
you a preview apparently what death is like and having
done it before, I've noticed a great expansion of consciousness
on that during that experience. It was called very beautiful
and almost like being awaking dream And some of the
people we've also talked with as well said that that
(25:07):
you think about death and we're all worried about this,
but it's you know, it's actually something's it's pretty profound
and beautiful. It's something where we're all going to go through.
We're probably going to go through multiple times, and we're
going to just keep on coming back and reincarnating apparently
until our spirit learns all the lessons is supposed to learn.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So I want to just point two people that you
had that you interviewed. We brought up Howard Storm and
being one of the negative experiences. Did you ever make
mention of maybe, you know, if he had to go
to confession or somebody that or he had to go
ahead and make mention of any kind of sinning that
he did. Did he feel like, you know, and overall,
was he a good person or do you feel like
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because of the fact that he felt like he went
to hell it's because of the fact that he's might
have done some things in his life that might not
have been good to know. I mean, of course didn't
say it, but like, was there a reason he felt
like he was justified as to why he saw that
experience and didn't see having like the others.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
He according to him thro in the interview, he was
very he was an atheist at the time, and he
gets see what he wasn't living a holy life, shall
we say? So he had done He lived a life
where I mean a cordy take to him now, it
was it was it was not a very honorable life.
(26:23):
And the person he became after the experience is completely different.
Now he's a he's a Christian pastor, so wow, yeah,
he's a Christian.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
But he actually became a man. Wow. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, it's pretty amazing, and I'd be I'd be happy
to put guys in contact in.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, let me ask you what the other person I
saw Karen Reese being a survivor and then becoming a
psychic medium. Like that's the thing of where that experience
was so so clutching and it made such a life
change for them to decide, well, they're going to go
into a different path altogether.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yes, And some people when they when they return their
perception is increased. They have different abilities. I think it
was Joyce caliber as well when she I think Joyce
had three near death experiences and her perception had changed.
And this this, this is sometimes this is taboo how
perception and how can people see or hear things? But
(27:21):
I guess quanting to not only the people in the
apple of the near death experience survivors, but the met
physical teachers is that you know, we can we can
all grow our perception and start feeling and seeing things,
or intuition can always grow. I'd say that my intuition
has increased a lot in a number of years, because
you know, if I do meditator and or just walking
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or just being an ease and piece and just listening.
So there are a number of different things you can
do to increase your perception. But to come back to
you said about Karry, it's pretty amazing how somebody can
have an experience like this and come back and be
able to see things they couldn't do before.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So we're gonna rep things up real quick. For those
who want to go and find the series, you can
go initially to Outer Limits Radio, so Thin the old
TV show in the sixties Outerlimits Radio dot com and
you'll see right on the homepage, you'll see there for
the Journey Beyond Death, or you can also just go
ahead and add slash Journey Beyond Death and you'll find
the whole series there, eighteen episodes. And how did you
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feel yourself after going through the series, doing the interviews,
doing the prep, going through editing these shows, getting them
ready to be published. How did it change you ultimately
after the experience, And how have you slept after that
kind of thing? Because I'm all those stories. That's a
lot of trauma to go ahead and uncovered and a
lot that we learned about that. That's a lot to
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take in. It's very ambitious.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Thank you. It's I'm first of all, I'm so happy.
I'm so happy to be able to present this and
offer this. It's just it's a rush. I don't know
that's which crubs. I just hope it helps people and
you can go and through all these experiences and listen
to what people have to say. You know, it didn't
affect me in the negative at all. It's just that
I'm so excited to think that someone who could hear
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this and if they're in pain, they could feel better,
and I really do feel that this is one of
the best things I ever did with my life. I
feel like this is one of the reasons why I
came to Earth. This is one of the reasons why
I was put on earth to do this and to
drive like life crazy. And so I think I'm too
fortuo as far as my mission. Probably have other things
I had to take care of do, but it was
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just a completing some on to put together, and I
just hope it offers people some piece and comfort and
maybe answer some of the questions about the Appala.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I am curious what kind of response you get back
on this and what kind of feedback you do. What
would you do? I mean, is there anything that you're
looking at that would be a follow up to this
at all? I mean, what other contexts do you feel
like you'd want to explore now that you've already done
this here the based on what you've already gotten from
this particular series, you know, how much does it change
what content you'd like to go and create and present on.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
It has this to this series? One thing it has
is that Ada has laid the foundation for other serious
future series that I'm going to be doing I did
a four part series on weight loss, and we looked
at the physical and mental health elements and then the
metaphysical side weight loss, which I'm very curious about. So
I think that with this, this series has laid the
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foundation as far as how I want approaching in the future.
So I'm probably I would say that we're probably going
to do additional episodes to the Journey. Beyond that, we'll
say the Journey that we're going to do one specifically
on animals in the Afterlife, will probably do a series
on suicide, have a graspate understanding. I tended to focus
on things and topics that make that are just generally
(30:44):
uncomfortable because I, I mean, when someone hears about like,
I mean, I want talk about it, but then it's
like the curious about it. So I want to gel
right in and try to bring some understanding and try
to bring some you know, perception on things that people
are generally most uncomfortable with. So I would say that
this just kind of open the floodgates as far as
future episode as go, and foundation is how we approach
different things.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Final question, Ryan, Sure, when you think about this, and
this is kind of to apply to other podcasters listening
to the program and just taking away what you've done
in this experience. We talked about the content, but what
would you say to those other aspiring podcasters or those
that podcasters now that would like to go ahead and
dell into an area that isn't comfortable or there is
a real stretch from the norm of what content's popular
(31:25):
out there, but it's also you very ambitious and you're
gonna get a lot of takeaways from it. What would
you say to those that are looking to kind of
do something very similar?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I would say to them. One is follow your heart.
This was this whole series was based on intuitive feeling.
I followed my heart, my intuition to the tea for this.
So I was inspired or guided in some way to
create this series. So when you have that inspiration, when
you have that that intuitive drive, follow that to the tea,
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go forward. Don't worry about how people are going to
perceive it. I had a very nice conversation with George Nori,
who's the host of Coast and Coast AM some time ago,
and George taught me something that I'd never forgotten, and
that is, when you're doing a show, do not think
about reaching out to millions of people or thousands of people,
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present yourself as if you're talking to one person, and
that completely changed everything as far as how I had
the tonality of the show, there was and when that
conversation happened, and then there was a shift in how
they Atalyptics Chaine. So for those of you out there
that are considering new something, I think it's awesome. I'd
say go for it, more ambitious, the better ask questions,
(32:40):
covered something that no one else has done before. And
when you have your show up, please send it to me.
I can't wait to listen to it.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Fantastic. I'm glad you got to go and talk to
Georgia more because that's a very big platform, a big
megaphone for coast to coast am I've been looking for years.
Used to be a board opera in radio, and I
saought that was the show I had to carry and
listen to you every night and if it wasn't Himbel's
our bell.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But yeah, he was great. They asked wonderful questions, and
they have the fact that they've been able to take
so many topics that are that were considered social taboo,
make the mainstream and get people talking about it. I
think it's any valuable, valual stars and to give you.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
All the time in the world, I mean, there's just
so much time to cover so much ground. Ryan the Park,
a co founder and the media relations especially at Golden
McCormick Public Relations, but also the host of the Journey
Beyond Death eighteen part podcast series you can find right
now as part of the his hosting the Outer Limits
of Inner Truth podcasts. You have those both of those
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shows and again the eighteen part series as a standalone
Outside of Outer Limits.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Correct, Okay, yep, it's actually what it's on. It's part
of a lot of Limits of Intruth. It's just the
eighteen part series on out of Limits of in the
True and this is the most ambitious series we've ever
done before. And I think because of that, you you're
going to see more on here, You're going to see
other things. The reception so far has has been I'm
just thrilled. I'm thrilled that people are sharing in their shows.
I'm thrilled this year that it's providing some comfort and
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you'll see more shows like this in the future.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And just you know, in Netflix Stole it's all eighteen
episodes available to go and listen to right now, so
binge through it. Check it out. Ryan McCormick, thank you
for being a real to listen her on podcast, which
I really appreciate you taking time out, Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Thank you You're an amazing hope. She has really good questions.
They maybe think about a lot of things I hadn't
thought of before. George, thank you so much, totalana and
my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And thank you listeners for listening to another podcast. We'll
talk to you next time.
Podcasting since two thousand and five. This is the King
of Podcasts Radio Network, King of Podcasts dot.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Com Podcasters ROW, those with the Journey Beyond Death Welcome
to podcasters, ROW. We can see you with another series
of interviews with various podcasters out there that are putting
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out some really compelling contents, very serious stubfect we're going
to talk about today. It is life after death or
just the the feelings and the fears that we have
about death coming to us. You know it is we
are mortal, it is inevitable, and you know you can
when you think about this, you might think of from
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a spiritual or a very celestials kind of standpoint, but
we're going to talk about that with a host of
the Outer Limits of Inner Truth podcasts. He is launching
a new series called The Jrty. Beyond Death is an
eighteen part podcast series building into loss, consciousness, and what
may come after. Weaving together sixty five original interviews with
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interviews from individual from all walks of life, grief counselor, psychologists, mediums,
and that'll be twenty individuals who had near death experiences
and the series looks to and be one of the
most in depth compassionate and thought provoking explorations of death
and the afterlife ever produced in modern media, and I'm
here with the host. He's also a co founder imdiate
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relationship specialist at Goldman McCormick Public Relations, Ryan McCormick, Ryan,
thank you for being with me.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Thank you so much, George. It's a great honor to
be with you, and I'm very excited to be here,
so thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is a very very heavy subject and I don't know,
I mean for myself. I can tell you that for
years I used to always have panic attacks about this
kind of thing where you know it's and for me,
when I have these feelings, it just makes me go
farther into my faith. I'm a very devout Catholic church
(02:06):
goer every week and it's one of those things where
and I think what changed the way I feel about
that is because I lost my mother coming up three
years in August and one step thank you. I appreciate it.
It's one of those things where I think when the
loss of a very a loved one or just one
that's very close to you, that makes you reflect. It
(02:28):
takes you from trying to ignore it or trying to
dissuade from it, and it just makes you have to
go ahead and focus on what to do with our
lives and what and to make the most of our lives.
Tell me about this series? What was it that was
the onus that said I need to do this? Obviously
your programming is I wouldn't say it's coast to coast,
(02:51):
am I guess? I mean, but that would kind of
be in that realm. I mean, obviously it's that kind
of content. It's very It's not something it's a it's
a some big univer hear much about. But podcasting allows
this medium. What was it drew you to this undertaking here?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Sure, I'll give you a little bit about the the
experience will inspired, but I want to just point out
that this eighteen parts series, it's for two types of individuals.
It's for those who are experiencing a loss that are
seeking no comfort. It's also of those who are just
curious about light after death. So it really begins with
(03:28):
about ten stories from people who've lost those who was
a lost one close, so you know right away you're
not alone, and then it goes into mental health aspects,
and then it further progresses and the journey through this
is actually one where it's very hard the beginning, and
then a year you're going to find it gets light up.
The what we really inspired this series was years ago
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a good friend of mine he lost his fiance and
he lost his mother in law, was soon to be
mother in law, a tragic car accident. It was horrible,
and I remember how horrible it was, and I just
I wanted to do something. I felt, like, you know,
people who've gone through that, I wanted to provide something
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beyond it. They always say boughts and prayer something, but
what else can you do? Well, how else can you
can you present or bring people comfort? So that originally
inspired me to do this series, and I wanted to
do it make up, make something very comprehensive, so it
isn't just one or two people's perspective on this. It's
it's very comprehensive. And I think when you do a comprehensive,
(04:36):
in depth analysis on something like this, you ultimately wind
up with some really consistent messages. And I think that
there's consistent messages ultimately to provide peace and comfort. But
the main inspiration for this was to provide someone some
measure of peace and comfort that ultimately what this whole
thing came aboutout that's when inspired the series.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And the truth is it has the on the kind
of delicate balance you have to go and have to
where people that are coming into this, I think you're right. Yes,
people are going to be in grief, people that might
be feeling it in that moment or have been just
feeling it for years. I mean for many people. You know,
if you have a loved one, you know, for my father,
I know that you know he was married fifty plus year,
(05:19):
fifty five years together, fifty seven years with his wife,
and you know, I can tell you that probably for
the rest of his life it's never going to change
for him. He will still feel as much grief as
he will ever be. And it's just it doesn't it
doesn't normalize, don't feel like it's anything. It's just a
new normal and avoid to try to fill, just try
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to go and keep going and keep moving on with life.
But then also would be people that that I'm sure
they're always in the throw of being there for people
that are going through grief or just going through there
when you're older. I mean, the funerals that you have
to go through for people that you know, things like that,
or just knowing that mortality is you know, coming it
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started going to come to a precipice. It's one of
those things where I wonder, when you decided to go
and do this, why did you feel like you were
the person that wanted to go ahead and put this together?
Because it takes a lot of compassion. It takes a
lot of out of you because it's not anything that's happy.
It's a lot of sadness. It's a lot of darkness
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to it. But at the same time, you're trying to
go and do this to help bring light and bring
some kind of hope or some kind of answers that
people have about this here.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I've always been in very instatively curious person and when
Out of Limit Symeter Truth started, which is about eleven
years ago, I was always trying to ask deep questions
and I always wanted to go in and focus on
topics that are very uncomfortable. And this just comes from
a personal development perspective. I find that when you go
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and you go in the area of your life that
are uncomfortable, that's when you can get some good growth
out of it. And I saw an opportunity to say, well,
you know, I have this sensatable curiosity and then I
just happened to know all these people. I feel like
my life was kind of building and developing. I was
meeting all these people over the years. I feel like
this is this whole series is one of the main
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reasons why I came to Earth, that this is one
of my biggest things that I came to Earth to
do is just together because I just happened to meet
all these different people, and I when I pulled back
and I go, Okay, well let's do a series on
death and passion. And then I found all these different individuals, like, well,
we can put we can find all these people. We
can put all these pieces of the puzzle in and
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when you listen to it, you could be a person
of faith, it could be a person who doesn't have
any faith, and you're still going to see a lot
of practical tips and ad bias that can provide you
piece and comfort. One thing I think is pretty pretty
interesting is of those twenty eight people that have had
in your death experiences, a number of them work in
number of them who are at various faiths, and some
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of the people that we were talking to that are mental
health experts, some of them are faith based, some of
them are not. But they're all bringing something. They're all
saying something. And I believe that for the individual who's
coming to just maybe they're curious or they're looking for something,
I think there's going to be one or two elements
within this particular series that's going to provide an answer
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or at least put them on the path to getting
an answer that they're looking for.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So, was there really more about talking to people that
kind of understanding that they've experienced or they've worked with
enough people to give an understanding of what it feels
like to feel that moment of what is life after death?
Anything where I mean, was there anything where you had
to go and where you did talk to any spiritual leaders,
anybody that was you know, federal home directors, morticians, people
(08:54):
that have experienced, you know, maybe first responders that have
seen death in a firsthand military things like that. The
people that you spoke to tell me about who was
that you wanted to bring on to qualify the story
and also at the same time trying to avoid any
skepticism that people might have thinking this might be so sationalistic.
This is kind of the gotcha kind of thing. Tell
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me about the balance there of who was the right
people to talk to, who are the right people to
talk to and what to talk about?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, if we're just like there's two different I guess
two different answers that when it comes to first hand
perspective losing someone up close. One of the first people
that I had on was Neil Smith. And Neil is
a well established individual. He happened to be the general
manager of the New York Rangers well national sports team. Yes,
and his son died in front of him, and he
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was so horrm so tragic. And that's actually the first
way we started out. So what you basically start the
show at through his eyes and then right away it's
like you immediately know that you're walking somebody's walking through
with you on this one. As we go a little
farther along, when we start with near death experiences, one
of the first people we spoke with was doctor Jeffrey Long.
(10:05):
And doctor Jeffrey Long has done he studied about five
thousand cases of people that have had in your death experiences,
have been clinically dead and they've come back and they've
reported information, and I guess in the world today, sometimes
you can hear near death experience. It sounds weird, it
sounds power normal, it sounds to boot. The reality is
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that it's it's far far more common then we even
know about it. That happens quite consistent in the luck
of people have reported having incredible visions, especially when they
go to sleep, when you're in a dream shape. So
but it's just like when we started out with him,
he was providing a foundation of Okay, well, listen, I've
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studied five thousand cases. These are some of the consistent messages.
And then when we had the twenty eight people on
to talked about their near death experiences, there was a
there were a lot of running and rhythmic uh, you know,
similarities to their experiences. And I think that because of that,
a tremendous amount of confort can be can be derived
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from this because some of these messages that are out there,
I don't think they're they're on our front to anyone's faith.
They're just another element out there there there. They're just
showing you what a perception is beyond this this reality
that we're correctly.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
In one of the episodes, you bring up in episode three.
That's very important for me, and also just points about
is you know, I work with Cannabis Radio. It's one
of the full time works to work with and we
do a lot when it comes to psychedelics, plant medicine
and cannabis and all. And the episode is specifical about psychedelics,
plant medicine, hypnosis. We've talked a lot about on that
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network about ego death or various treatments either with ketamine
or with I begain various ideas and you know, also
even with you know, with the zyahuasca, any kind of
retreats or any kind of ceremonies that can be done
that bring people to their subconscious to experience what it
is like and see what it will be after life
after death, or be able to go ahead and connect
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with someone that is dead that they can try to
reconnect with again. And one of the people you talked
to me specifically we were talking before the program was
doctor Rick Doblin, who's founder of the of MAPS multi
Disciplinary Association of Psycholic Studies. We've known about him for
a long time and as the not an easy person
going and get to join you for the interviews, but
you talk to them in this area and what ty
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goes did you get from that area of psychedelics and
how people have gone to that route. Obviously for you
if a things for like depression or various issues, just
go and get through addiction things like that. But then
this area of death, tell me about what you got.
Take it away from that part.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
But it took away from talking to people like doctor
Rick Doblin and then talking to Dylan Charles and then
talking to one of nation's foremost academene experts, is that
there are a number of different ways to process grief,
to process emotion, to work on yourself, and if you
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do ketamine, if you do ayahuasca, if you take MDMA,
they were all paths to an ultimate goal, which is
a healing and understanding, and some of these methods conn
be very effective. Mean I personally have done MDMA and ayahuasca.
I have to say that when it comes to a
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different level of understanding and grasping what reality is that
they've been absolutely profound, some of the most beautiful experiences
I've ever had. And the idea that they're out there,
that they're more common and that they're more mainstream, I
think it's a great thing because it provides people another
tool that they can utilize for themselves. So talking to
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doctor Goblin, you just we've got to grasp of how
this is advancing. This could be really good for certain individuals.
Talking to Dylan Charles, you talked about eye again and
talked about some of these other things like iohwaska. Some
of these venues, they can be a little challenging if
you're not used to aahuasca. Basically, you'll take this medicine
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and you'll be kind of you won't you won't be
able to you'll be out for about eight hours. You'll
have DMT and it could be a very beautiful experience.
It can be another way of seeing yourself in the
processing reality. So I think that the purposely included these
things because I wanted people to have access to all
different areas. Some will process grief through a grief counselor
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they'll do it on their own, but to let everyone
know that you have all these options available. I wanted
to because anyone could access this and say, well that
could work for me, or that could work for me,
but ultimately give you a wrap up, I guess of all.
Their answer is that these methods like MDMA. They just
they open up venues that people popitted have access to before,
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and they could that could be the perfect thing for
a person.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You also not only do in the eighteen part series.
You have the eighteen parts, but you also have sub
arts in the middle board. You have three part series
that are all the six this years and one a
particular where you're doing death after the communication, a two
part into that where you're talking to psychic mediums, astrologers
and those that are Then they're going to go ahead
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and mention how they've been to go ahead and communicate
with the dead, and that this is still a practice
that it holds true. People are still very much in
search of trying to go and connect with people that
have moved on, and if they're able to go and
make a connection and they feel like there is a
connection and I don't have any I guess part of
it is, too, is that you have to go ahead
and take yourself away from just being grounded in reality
(15:53):
here that you have to have a leap of faith
no matter what not things spiritually, but you have to
go ahead and believe there's other things. You know more,
there's a metaphysical part of the world there's also the subconscious.
There's things that you have to kind of open your
mind up a lot more to really be able to
go and gather with what you're talking about here and
what you've found out.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Well, it's I've learned that doing this particular, the two
part aspect of after death communication, it's we have the
gift of those sports for lesbia at the gift of
psyche hearing motions. But then if you look at those
senses that we have, is it's a matter of perception,
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it's a matter of expanding those Some of I think
almost all of us have probably gotten an intuitive feeling
and we can't explain that. It's kind of hard, what's
a scientific explanation. But behind an intuitive feeling, if you
start looking more into that, you may probably going to
be able to perceive a little bit more about after
death communication. One of the two elements to that, I
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guess I'd say that we got a lot of information
a lot is that those who you love or ones
they have a tendency here, they can often communicate with
us in dreams because we are not in our physical bodies,
apparently our spirits are on a different plane and we
can receive communication. From there, we can receive communication for
a number of different signs. My sister this happened only
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a few days ago. She was at a hospital. She
went to get something to drink, and apparently on die
coke they have these names now, they put names on
on podles, and she happened to grab two bottles and
they happened to be the names of my grandmother and grandfather,
and we got into that as a sign of that
they were watching over her. So I learned that through
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this two part area is apparently we are immersed in signs.
There are tons of indication that those who are not
in the physical body are reaching out to us. And
it seems like it's a it's a big leap of
faith in metaphysics. But if you just apparently, if we
work on our senses and Spanish sensitivity and senses, that
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we can perceive some of these. A lot of the
metaphysical teachers I spoke with Dorot, they were talking about
how if you are grounded, if you meditate, you quiet
your mind, you can just listen a lot of this
information as there. When it comes to some psychic mediums,
they have the capability of interacting or communicating with those
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who are in spirit. I've had a number of situations
where I don't say it call the situation, but those
who've been communicating information from those who are no longer
with us, and the experience has been viewiful. And I
think that for somebody who has lost someone who is
definitely warning, you learn about i'd say five or six
(18:45):
solid techniques on how to be open and how to
look for after death communication.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The second half of the series is focused solely on
near death experiences, whether it's either researchers or survivors. Is
there any kind of common theme among all these experiences
that you learned that say, what did they see coming
out of their near death experience? Sure?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I mean number one is that most all of them
are saying that how strange it is that we believe
that we're human beings. Is that it's such as once
you get out of the human body, you're a spirit.
You're going to realize that the human body was just
a vehicle for evolution. The same way we get in
our cars. We get out of one car, we go
to another car, and then while on the road we
look and say, well, that's a truck. Well, we don't
(19:30):
look at the person behind it, and apparently behind all
humans is a spirit, and it's a spirit looking for evolution,
for growth, that's here for a certain experience. And it
was really interesting that most people were talking about, Okay,
once you're out of the body, you're in a place
of love, Like this whole place is an illusion. It
is it's not what real life is. It's not nothing
(19:51):
close to being in spirit and being nommunational love. And
apparently when you get out of the body, you get
something called a life review where you remember relive all
elements of your life, and you also relive how people
who are responding to your actions and thoughts. So, you know,
sometimes I was always worried, like, you know, all these
(20:13):
bad people would do these bad things, why doesn't something
happen to them. Well, apparently at the end of their
lives they experienced what they put out. I found that
to be soothing but also scary at the same time,
because I don't want to, you know, I'm worried about
how my actions have affect other others. And there's another thing.
But some of the other great aspects is that people
(20:33):
just seem to all be reunited with their family and
their friends and they go to a beautiful place, and
most part is that you are just in a beautiful
place among conditional life. Like. The thing that I always
it was the most against strangest thing is that most
pom were saying, and you'll never believe that you believe
that you were human being. That was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But do you feel like they're saying when they talk
about what they see and how how fats and how
amazing everything looks from what they can see, are they saying, essentially,
do they feel like that you're seeing heaven, that they
are experiencing what it looks like to go and go
through the pearly gates and being able to go and
see heaven for the first time.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
They're talking, they're talking about it in a couple of ways.
They're talking about seeing it in three hundred and sixty
degrees without the without the seeing through human body. It's
it's I wouldn't say it's not necessarily it's not just heaven.
It's just the the aspect of shifting your perception from
being in the human body to being out of the
human body and the month's spirit. So heaven apparently is
(21:38):
all around us. It's it's all around us. It's a
matter of perception. And I'm going to go a little
farther down the rabbit hole with this is that as
we some of the people, like the last two we had,
vincetneys Holman and Nancy Datis, and Nancy Daison describes this
idea that there's one being, one conscious being, and that
(21:59):
we are all points of attraction of one conscious being,
and the conscious being, the universal conscious being, has points
of attraction of itself, taking on various forms so we
can perceive reality and experience itself. That's a very deep,
profound rabbit a hole is going on. But that's where
some of these new death experiences were leading. They were
(22:19):
all talking about how this is a place of growth.
This earth can be a very hard school. It's a
place where we attain it with different experiences, and that
our souls are very brave to come to earth, especially
in this particular time period.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Would be safe to say that just about every reaction
from those experiences were positive.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes, I think every reaction was positive except for Howard Storm.
Howard Storm was the gay crasher. When he went to Hell,
he had a he had a very negative experience and
he went to Hell and he saw what hell was?
He described it, and ultimately he was he was brought
out and came out and Betty Edie described some uh
(23:00):
tough ter relations, but then she met up she met
Jesus in the afterlife, and she said it was a
totally beautiful experience. The others have said and what they shraped.
Something that I personally were worried about is they were
worried about how they how they judged themselves when they
were in the after life, how they how they judge
their own life here on earth. Well, I'd see a vast,
(23:20):
vast majority of those interviewed they all said that okay,
once they're out of the body, that they went to
this tunnel of light. And it's so strange, so many
different people that are describing a lot of things with
great similarities, not detailed, but a lot of ming ideas.
So at the end of it, I was was actually
pretty comforting and knowing, Okay, well, if that happens, I
don't it's a pain of it. I'm worried about that.
(23:43):
But once you're out of the body and aarly it's blissed.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So there were some people that said they were only
going to see themselves out of body, or they could
actually see themselves almost as a ghost like the movie goes,
and they were able to go and see their loved
ones after they've they they've passed, as they would see it.
They were able to go and see that and then
visited that as well.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yep, they were some people they hovered about their bodies
in the hospital that they were able to hear things
that they couldn't hear before, So they were fully aware
of what was going on, but they all got to
their places differently. Most of the time, when people get
out of the body, from what we talked to the
death experiences is that they still have the perception that
(24:24):
they're any human body even though they're out of the body.
And then once they realize that they're out of the body,
of their perception starts to change. They start having a
wider perspective, they start being able to see things, they
hear things in like three sixty and then they were
able to start perceiving different things that they couldn't do before.
And one of the aspects of ayahuasca, which is known
(24:45):
as the fine of death, is to kind of give
you a preview apparently what death is like and having
done it before, I've noticed a great expansion of consciousness
on that during that experience. It was called very beautiful
and almost like being awaking dream And some of the
people we've also talked with as well said that that
(25:07):
you think about death and we're all worried about this,
but it's you know, it's actually something's it's pretty profound
and beautiful. It's something where we're all going to go through.
We're probably going to go through multiple times, and we're
going to just keep on coming back and reincarnating apparently
until our spirit learns all the lessons is supposed to learn.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So I want to just point two people that you
had that you interviewed. We brought up Howard Storm and
being one of the negative experiences. Did you ever make
mention of maybe, you know, if he had to go
to confession or somebody that or he had to go
ahead and make mention of any kind of sinning that
he did. Did he feel like, you know, and overall,
was he a good person or do you feel like
(25:45):
because of the fact that he felt like he went
to hell it's because of the fact that he's might
have done some things in his life that might not
have been good to know. I mean, of course didn't
say it, but like, was there a reason he felt
like he was justified as to why he saw that
experience and didn't see having like the others.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
He according to him thro in the interview, he was
very he was an atheist at the time, and he
gets see what he wasn't living a holy life, shall
we say? So he had done He lived a life
where I mean a cordy take to him now, it
was it was it was not a very honorable life.
(26:23):
And the person he became after the experience is completely different.
Now he's a he's a Christian pastor, so wow, yeah,
he's a Christian.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
But he actually became a man. Wow. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, it's pretty amazing, and I'd be I'd be happy
to put guys in contact in.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, let me ask you what the other person I
saw Karen Reese being a survivor and then becoming a
psychic medium. Like that's the thing of where that experience
was so so clutching and it made such a life
change for them to decide, well, they're going to go
into a different path altogether.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yes, And some people when they when they return their
perception is increased. They have different abilities. I think it
was Joyce caliber as well when she I think Joyce
had three near death experiences and her perception had changed.
And this this, this is sometimes this is taboo how
perception and how can people see or hear things? But
(27:21):
I guess quanting to not only the people in the
apple of the near death experience survivors, but the met
physical teachers is that you know, we can we can
all grow our perception and start feeling and seeing things,
or intuition can always grow. I'd say that my intuition
has increased a lot in a number of years, because
you know, if I do meditator and or just walking
(27:42):
or just being an ease and piece and just listening.
So there are a number of different things you can
do to increase your perception. But to come back to
you said about Karry, it's pretty amazing how somebody can
have an experience like this and come back and be
able to see things they couldn't do before.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So we're gonna rep things up real quick. For those
who want to go and find the series, you can
go initially to Outer Limits Radio, so Thin the old
TV show in the sixties Outerlimits Radio dot com and
you'll see right on the homepage, you'll see there for
the Journey Beyond Death, or you can also just go
ahead and add slash Journey Beyond Death and you'll find
the whole series there, eighteen episodes. And how did you
(28:21):
feel yourself after going through the series, doing the interviews,
doing the prep, going through editing these shows, getting them
ready to be published. How did it change you ultimately
after the experience, And how have you slept after that
kind of thing? Because I'm all those stories. That's a
lot of trauma to go ahead and uncovered and a
lot that we learned about that. That's a lot to
(28:41):
take in. It's very ambitious.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Thank you. It's I'm first of all, I'm so happy.
I'm so happy to be able to present this and
offer this. It's just it's a rush. I don't know
that's which crubs. I just hope it helps people and
you can go and through all these experiences and listen
to what people have to say. You know, it didn't
affect me in the negative at all. It's just that
I'm so excited to think that someone who could hear
(29:06):
this and if they're in pain, they could feel better,
and I really do feel that this is one of
the best things I ever did with my life. I
feel like this is one of the reasons why I
came to Earth. This is one of the reasons why
I was put on earth to do this and to
drive like life crazy. And so I think I'm too
fortuo as far as my mission. Probably have other things
I had to take care of do, but it was
(29:26):
just a completing some on to put together, and I
just hope it offers people some piece and comfort and
maybe answer some of the questions about the Appala.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I am curious what kind of response you get back
on this and what kind of feedback you do. What
would you do? I mean, is there anything that you're
looking at that would be a follow up to this
at all? I mean, what other contexts do you feel
like you'd want to explore now that you've already done
this here the based on what you've already gotten from
this particular series, you know, how much does it change
what content you'd like to go and create and present on.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
It has this to this series? One thing it has
is that Ada has laid the foundation for other serious
future series that I'm going to be doing I did
a four part series on weight loss, and we looked
at the physical and mental health elements and then the
metaphysical side weight loss, which I'm very curious about. So
I think that with this, this series has laid the
(30:20):
foundation as far as how I want approaching in the future.
So I'm probably I would say that we're probably going
to do additional episodes to the Journey. Beyond that, we'll
say the Journey that we're going to do one specifically
on animals in the Afterlife, will probably do a series
on suicide, have a graspate understanding. I tended to focus
on things and topics that make that are just generally
(30:44):
uncomfortable because I, I mean, when someone hears about like,
I mean, I want talk about it, but then it's
like the curious about it. So I want to gel
right in and try to bring some understanding and try
to bring some you know, perception on things that people
are generally most uncomfortable with. So I would say that
this just kind of open the floodgates as far as
future episode as go, and foundation is how we approach
different things.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Final question, Ryan, Sure, when you think about this, and
this is kind of to apply to other podcasters listening
to the program and just taking away what you've done
in this experience. We talked about the content, but what
would you say to those other aspiring podcasters or those
that podcasters now that would like to go ahead and
dell into an area that isn't comfortable or there is
a real stretch from the norm of what content's popular
(31:25):
out there, but it's also you very ambitious and you're
gonna get a lot of takeaways from it. What would
you say to those that are looking to kind of
do something very similar?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I would say to them. One is follow your heart.
This was this whole series was based on intuitive feeling.
I followed my heart, my intuition to the tea for this.
So I was inspired or guided in some way to
create this series. So when you have that inspiration, when
you have that that intuitive drive, follow that to the tea,
(31:57):
go forward. Don't worry about how people are going to
perceive it. I had a very nice conversation with George Nori,
who's the host of Coast and Coast AM some time ago,
and George taught me something that I'd never forgotten, and
that is, when you're doing a show, do not think
about reaching out to millions of people or thousands of people,
(32:18):
present yourself as if you're talking to one person, and
that completely changed everything as far as how I had
the tonality of the show, there was and when that
conversation happened, and then there was a shift in how
they Atalyptics Chaine. So for those of you out there
that are considering new something, I think it's awesome. I'd
say go for it, more ambitious, the better ask questions,
(32:40):
covered something that no one else has done before. And
when you have your show up, please send it to me.
I can't wait to listen to it.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Fantastic. I'm glad you got to go and talk to
Georgia more because that's a very big platform, a big
megaphone for coast to coast am I've been looking for years.
Used to be a board opera in radio, and I
saought that was the show I had to carry and
listen to you every night and if it wasn't Himbel's
our bell.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But yeah, he was great. They asked wonderful questions, and
they have the fact that they've been able to take
so many topics that are that were considered social taboo,
make the mainstream and get people talking about it. I
think it's any valuable, valual stars and to give you.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
All the time in the world, I mean, there's just
so much time to cover so much ground. Ryan the Park,
a co founder and the media relations especially at Golden
McCormick Public Relations, but also the host of the Journey
Beyond Death eighteen part podcast series you can find right
now as part of the his hosting the Outer Limits
of Inner Truth podcasts. You have those both of those
(33:38):
shows and again the eighteen part series as a standalone
Outside of Outer Limits.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Correct, Okay, yep, it's actually what it's on. It's part
of a lot of Limits of Intruth. It's just the
eighteen part series on out of Limits of in the
True and this is the most ambitious series we've ever
done before. And I think because of that, you you're
going to see more on here, You're going to see
other things. The reception so far has has been I'm
just thrilled. I'm thrilled that people are sharing in their shows.
I'm thrilled this year that it's providing some comfort and
(34:08):
you'll see more shows like this in the future.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And just you know, in Netflix Stole it's all eighteen
episodes available to go and listen to right now, so
binge through it. Check it out. Ryan McCormick, thank you
for being a real to listen her on podcast, which
I really appreciate you taking time out, Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Thank you You're an amazing hope. She has really good questions.
They maybe think about a lot of things I hadn't
thought of before. George, thank you so much, totalana and
my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And thank you listeners for listening to another podcast. We'll
talk to you next time.
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