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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
When it comes to the Broncos and the Giants, what matters?
What numbers matter? And what doesn't matter? I want to
go through the teams by the numbers, So you let
me just ask that question for you off the jump.
What do you think matters and doesn't matter the most
in this particular game? Uh?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
What would matter? I don't know how.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
This is not a tangible right, But what matters to
me is that if you give the Giants life and
you let them be a spark plug of energy, they
might be a dangerous team to deal with, right, So
I think that's real and you have to acknowledge that.
So defensively, man, you just gotta play sown football and
not let them get that spark.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I don't know, Scott, I think energy's gonna be big. Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
And I thought you said, but it's every game. You
never want to allow momentum, okay for the other team,
and their momentum is you know, running, you over slapping
you around, doing of this bit jump. Yeah, so I
think you had control the run game and see if
you and that includes Kataboo and Jackson Dark. And let's
see if Jackson Dark can beat you under the pressure.
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He's gonna see and they like you just said it best.
He didn't played. Anybody's gonna bring pressure.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Like these guys.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, let me give you some numbers then, and you're
right about that. In terms of the defense, there's a
stark difference, but the offenses it's actually stunning. The only
big difference between the Broncos offense and the Giants offense
is sacks allowed. The Broncos just haven't given it up.
Their second in the league in sacks allowed, meaning they
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protect Bow when bo avoid sacks better than just about
everybody else but the Giants offense. In the Broncos offense,
check this out, they're both minus three and giveaway takeaway
both yards per game. The Giants are nineteenth, the Broncos
are fifteenth. Is practically the same yards per play five
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point zero to five point three to two for the
Bronco practically the same points per game twenty point two
for the Giants, twenty one point seven for the Broncos.
Really close, God, we suck. We do. Rushing yards one
thirty for the Broncos a game one twenty six point two.
The Broncos are still one of the better rushing teams,
but the Giants are right there. What about throwing the
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ball Broncos sixteenth, the Giants seventeenth, and it kind of
just goes like that all down the line for every
single metric. However, the Giants are the worst or second
to worst team in the league in red zone scoring.
So for whatever reason, remember how great the Eagles were
theoretically in red zone scoring, The Giants have really stumbled.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You do got to split their season up in part A, know,
the first three games with Russell Wilson, in part B
with Jackson Dart, and they're clearly stronger with their combination now,
but it's something they've struggled in.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Well, Listen, it's no surprise me to see that our
offense looks similar to their, or is Anybody that's got
eyeballs is going to see a Denver Broncs offense that
is struggling. And that's what I've told you. Like with
Jackson Dart, I'm not convinced he's a particularly good quarterback,
not yet, I mean, he's been a great spark plug
for him. But where it's going to get radically different,
And I'm sure you're about to do it, yes, but
now do defense, and it's going to be radically different.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Radically different. Who do you think has more rushing yards
Jackson Dart in three games? Are Bonnicks and six?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Probably Jackson? Oh, I hope boa it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Is Jackson Dart one sixty seven to bo Nicks won
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, he is the intent.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And that's why they're rushing attack statistically looks pretty good.
Their actual running game itself, that does not involve the quarterback.
I think it's kind of that's true. It's not elite,
it's definitely not bad, but it's just middle of the road.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Cam's Kataboo is much more about energy than actual production. However,
if it's divine, if it's designed for three, he might
get you a four and a half. It's something like that.
He doesn't give up on runs and it's you know,
that sort of tenacity.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Can I just say this, and I'm not trying to
knock him skataboo because I love watching him. It's just
that that's what football's meant to be played. Like right,
like like I love everything about the dude. If we
don't lock this dude up, I will be very disappointed.
He's not that good. He's not that good. He's not
that explosive, he's not that talented. If our defense is
as good as it's supposed to be, we should lock
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him up. Like I'm talking less than fifty yards in
the game.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, he will not go out of bounds, and he
will shorten his neck till it's actually inside of his
shoulder blades voluntarily. He will do that, So you gotta
contain that. But he's fall You're right, he's a bulldog.
But he's that big of a guy.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
And yeah, because Mike Calstock was big, Yeah, but he
had some side.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But here's what Skataboo obviously has. He has just incredible
balance and he does not go down easy.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's the advantages of being the little guy.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That is the advantage. And he can he could catch
the ball too, and they're not afraid to throw it
out there to him either, So and there's an energy
with him that's kind of you know, obviously.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Young football teams love you probably need.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I heard al Michaels and Kirk what's his fit herb Street.
They actually said Camp's skataboo looks like football.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, that's what That's what Tyler just says.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Faces a pretty good comment, right, like you look like football.
That's a hell of a compliment. So that's him. But
you're right with the numbers. The numbers with Kataboo, aren't
you know, aren't crazy? You you want to look like
a guy whose numbers are crazy. Right now, Let's look
at John Robinson for the Falcons, who's winning games like
kind of you know, on his own, which is crazy.
But defense, that's where we were going. Guys. It's stunning
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how good this Broncos defense is second in net yards
first and yards per play, second in points per game.
The Texans are number one, by the way, only allowing
like eleven point something, which is like they're coming down
the road. The Texans defense must be pretty special, rushing
yards six, third in passing yards. It's the takeaways. They
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aren't getting the takeaways. It's crazy. They only have one
interception on the year and they only have three fumble
recoveries four takeaways for this defense. That's gonna change, isn't it.
When you're the first team in the league in sacks.
You're the first team on third down, and you're the
first team in red zone, and you're an awesome Well.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
The reason why that surprises me is because what really
creates turnovers in the passing game, it's not the defensive backs,
it's your ad rushers, it's the it's the presence of
human bodies that are right in front of quarterback, whether
you're actually hitting the quarterback or you're tipping the ball,
whatever it might be.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Fortunately, got to step up and throw it off schedule
and off balance.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Cultive line is got to be the best overall group
in the NFL getting after the quarterback. That surprises me
that they haven't caused more turnovers.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Although the Broncos don't lead in scoring defense, it's but
their second to the Texans. I think it's really hard
to make an argument they're not the best defense in
the NFL right now, guys, turnovers gotta be coming. And
against the Saints, once they were pressed a little bit,
Once the Giants felt a little pressure there, the ball
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started slipping out being picked off. Mistakes were made left
and right. What was impressive was that against the Eagles
they corrected all of those mistakes and didn't turn the
ball over at all, but it was a lot of
Jackson Dart running around. I think it's pretty clear right
now the Broncos defense is far superior than the Eagles defense.
I think the Broncos are gonna win this one and
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then there's another thing. Four not not this week. I
think the Broncos might win something like twenty to sixteen.
I mean the Eagles. And by the way, this Giants
defense you.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Go up becaust that's an interesting pretiction. I mean, we're
going up against the twenty eighth total defense in the NFL,
and you don't think we can score on these guys.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I kind of got to see it, right of the waves,
right the waves. I'll tell you this though, if you
get three turnovers, which is not crazy, well, I'm just
looking at how it presents itself right now. Tell me
I'm wrong. But I will tell you the Giants defense
will present big plays, They'll allow big rushing plays, and
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they'll give you some throws over the top. I just
don't know if I got the confidence and bowing this
offense to hit on those plays, that's all. And you
just did struggle against a horrible Jets team and defense.
They they suck, and you really just were at wits
end on how to.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Handle were they defensively because he did they didn't move.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Jets they're they're not like the worst, but they're like
twenty six, twenty seventh in the league defensively. And now
you're going against the team that's got Thibodeau, Abdul Carter,
Brian Burns. I mean you got some You got some
dudes over there with the Giants. I don't Quentin Williams
is okay, but you don't have dudes over there with
the Jets.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
The Giants twentieth, Jets, you twentieth and overall d Probably
after last week they had to go up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh, I'm sure probably. I'm sure that helped real fast.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Mike Alstatt, what do you play it? Wait, yeah, I'll
say two forty.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah, six one two forty eighth Peyton hillis two thirty
five six one two forty to forty scataboo five EIDs
to twenty eight five eleven, two fifteen, two fifteen. That
is a big difference.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, I guarantee you that dude ade five eleven.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Well, but that that way wise for playing the way
he plays, that's a big difference from two not afraid
to bump into you guys that I remember, right.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I let him back up. You see the Broncos handling
things relatively easily, then.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I think they should. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I was always worried about London, just I was always
worried about it. And as bad as that game was,
I am so tempted to just not even analyze it.
I'm just so tempted to just throw it out. You
got the win, you got home, thank God. It's just
one of those situations that I knew was going to
be difficult. You're handling the transition time all that, and
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so I'm gonna toss that one out with the bathwater,
pretend like it never happened.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Maybe naive of me.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
You're going up against a Giants team that I'm not
scared about, Jackson Dart, I'm not scared about Camp Scataboo,
and they've got a bad defense. I think the Broncos
should handle their business relatively.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Their best receiver.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Let me, guys give you Let me give you guys
an over and under which you guys are way higher
on CAM than I am. But let me give you that. Well,
just because he's fun. I just like guys to play
like that. I don't I don't know if he's thinking good.
I like guys playing like that.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You like him because you're at the house.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
He's like, he's like Mark Mavarro, except heiny. That's what
I like. Before he had, you know, kids and babysitters
over under six punts by cross Shaw. That's gonna be terman.
How many? How many points are gonna score?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I was gonna give you one more number that's under
on that?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Then you then you got him scored a few more points. Yeah,
I should have said like five and a half. So
five and a half over and under cross Shaw punts.
If it's over, they're gonna score a lot of points.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Five. I didn't even go five.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, five, Oh my god, probably if lives a really
good number, probably over probably gonna you know what else?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Get them score in twenty points? Can I can?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I just tell you this if if you're over on
that against this defense, you know what else is over
your your hopes and dreams of winning the AFC West
because your offense really just sucks and it's not an outlier.
Like I'm trying to convince myself that Jets game is
an outlier for all the various reasons. And if you
can't score on this defense, you are not gonna win
the ANFC West. Like that, it's over with. So that
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game was not an outlier. That means that was not
an outlier.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Correct, Well, the rubber means the road. By the way,
the Broncos did make a move. Not only was Garrett
Wallow we'll see you at the reunion goes on i R.
They signed J. T. Gray, who's a special teams guy
that's connected to Rizzy and Peyton with the Saints. Of course,
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the Broncos are the worst team in the league. The
only category their worst in the league in is kickoff coverage.
And the Giant's got this Oleski guy. Great, first name's
Gunner Oleski.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Wait, can I ask you no dumb question. I don't
know if you know the answer to it. But if
we're worse than the league at kickoff coverage, do you
know the average starting possession for our opponents.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
For our eye, Well, we give up twenty nine point
three per twenty nine is our average?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
All right?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well we're even giving up a seventy two yard er
the other day.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, that means you're still keeping him underneath the thirty five.
The only reason, the only reason I was asking was
does it say we should actually put the ball in
the end zone? That's why, which it does not say.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's exactly where I was going. Where you're catching the
ball like the three or the four, so the ball
is essentially coming out to the thirty five. But because
you're not kicking it through the end zone, they're so bad.
That's got to be a point of conversation this week. Frankly,
That's where I was gonna go, Like, if you risk
giving up forty yard returns and seventy yard returns for
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the you know handful that you keep under the thirty five,
but for like what every five kicks, you're gonna let
one go past midfield.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Well, assume they catch the ball on the one or
two yard line every time. That means they're getting the
ball in about the thirty to thirty two yard.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, but you run the risk that they're gonna get
it over midfield or even a bit.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But I mean, the the stats actually say that the
majority of the time we're keeping them underneath that they do,
but they gotta go with the stats.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
They also say you're the worst team in the league
at this Yeah, I think, listen, this is a ridiculous
kind of conversation because.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I guess to really answer your question, I would have
to know how many returns have we given up that
ended up pass the forty yard line?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Right?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Well, according to this right here again just just Jets.
I haven't looked in for the whole season. You know
what the Jets average starting position was according to this
forty three?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, so you're twenty four.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
We are this close to considering because of how bad
the special teams is to just kick the ball through
the end zone. And we got to be one of
the only teams in the NFL that would even have
that conversation because it's dumb to have. But that's how
bad the Broncos are, and that's it, and that would
be one lousy way to lose a game, wasn't it
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that you just can't do something that basic and you
give your opponents such a huge advantage. Let's football go
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Speaker 3 (15:25):
All right?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
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Speaker 3 (15:37):
Dan? I'm ready boys.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Let's football go all right.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
CBS Sports has one trade candidate for each AFC contender.
They have an offensive player in mind for the Broncos.
Do you guys, First, let's just start with you want
to guess what position group on offense they have the
Broncos in this potential trade scenario trading for Well.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I would guess it's a guard, but I don't know
how up to date this is.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
If it was.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Written an hour ago, it might be a guard. If
it was written yesterday before, it's probably wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It was written this morning, it should be a guard.
Then I think I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I'm gonna go with running back.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Nope, could be linebacker, No offensive player, offensive player, receiver player,
Oh well, you know where you just name every offensive
They have the Broncos in this mock trade trading for
Mark Andrews, the tight end from the Baltimore Ravens. They
say Bo Knicks has been up and down. He's got
nine passing touchdowns. Four interceptions and the Broncos are lacking
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in the tight end spot. They now they don't have
the value that would be going back to Baltimore, but
they do have. The Broncos potentially trading for Mark Andrews,
who's on the final year of his deal. Would this
makes sense for you guys?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Hell yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Would love to have Mark Andrews.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
It depends a little bit on what you think this
year is gonna be. I mean, if Sean Payton still
thinks he's got a Super Bowl team, then hell yeah,
I love to have Mark Andrews. It doesn't make a
lot of sense if you still think you're in a
building foundation phase of your football team. But Mark Andrews
is as talented and well rounded of a tight end
as it comes. The dude can block, you can catch.
Dude just a baller, and it makes sense. I mean,
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we really we still have tight end issues.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
And they had an uncharacteristic bad drop in the Why
you Gotta Go There AFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I don't know, man, that isn't Evan Ingram coming along
at this point, Like you're not getting what you need
out of him right now.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Evan's not a complete tight end though Mark Andrews.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Is all right, But I don't know, man, I feel
like there's other needs. Well listen, I'm all for dynamic players. Awesome.
I mean they got this guy, Theo Johnson there.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
It's just blue collar does work? Do you?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I do?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I think you just don't like blue collared people.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I like blue collar people. I love blue collar people.
I don't like them, dude, what are you nuts? I'm
my mom all about the blue collar.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I see you spent a lot of time Tyler. I
seem to spend a lot of time with white collar,
never hooking up.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
The Jannet blue collar phobia.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The hell you talking about? I was doing some blue
collar work last night. Let me tell you, hanging out
with our great fans up there in the sweet doing.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Because happy to beat our fans.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I wasn't grinding at all. It was awesome. It was great.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
The white collar people told him to be there.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Can you beat blue collar in a suite?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
We we were last night. I'm telling you that it
was blue collars you get.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Let's say we pale face.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I had a great time last night hanging out with
those truck drivers. I love what do you mean blue collar?
Of course I like blue collar.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I just wondered you talking. You don't like Mark Andrews.
This blue collar of for tight ends there is.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It's hard to ride the wave with blue collar.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's what the hell? What the hell is Adam Troutman?
What's Adam Troutman?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Oh you're a big Adam Troutman fan.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No, all right, next story, Dan.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Proven Scott's point.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Why he's fine if you can we get Mark Andrews.
Get Mark Andrews. Sure, I'm all about having dynamic playmakers.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
You could get Mark Andrews. I'm not sure that Sean
Payton's offense and the way he calls plays ever gonna
get him involved anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I'm up forgetting anybody that's gonna make the off.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Say that about any offensive player, though.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
But blue collar I want a guard.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I'm talking to Scott. All right, relax, Chael.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
One more thing here with the trade possibilities for the Broncos. Now,
the Broncos aren't mentioned here specifically, guys, but Jeremy Fowler
of ESPN is reporting that multiple teams believe that the
Raiders could be willing to part ways with wide receiver
Jacoby Myers would that pique your interests at all for
the Broncos? And if so, what do you think it
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would take for the Broncos to go get Jacoby Myers
out of the division.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I have no interest in that. I think you just
got to get bow moving a little bit and you
got you got enough wide receiver talent to do the
trick there. I think that's that's not your problem. I'm
not interested.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Well, he's got more production this year than any of
our other wide receivers not named Cortland Sutton. So would
he be an upgrade to Troy Franklin? Would he be
an upgrade to Marvin Mems? Yeah, he probably would. Let's
see Jacoby is how old is Jacoby thirty one? Has
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he been in the league that long? I mean, I
guess My only point is that factors then do it.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I am interested in upgrading the number two wide receiver.
THO would answer your question?
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Uh, well, let's send you tell me your quarterback coach
is gonna start calling plays and give me some offensive people.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Boy, I'll tell you what, man, If Sean.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Payn's twenty eight, that's still pretty.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I know some of them muggles listen to our show.
I challenged him to ask Sean Payton, and he's gonna
talk here momentarily, just ask him plat out, is there
any scenario in which you would consider giving away the
play calling duties to focus more on the team or whatever?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Have you thought about it.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Or and if you want to get around that, So,
where would you write your play play calling so far
this year?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Not just be more direct? I would just flat out
be more direct. You did it in the preseason. Have
you given consideration to allowing somebody else to call?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So you.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Sean Bayton, keep that question, Sean, how would you rate
your play calling so far this year? Listen?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, relative to previous years that we had. Uh, you know,
we were in a groove with Drew Brees and it
was a little bit we were on the same page
and we're just thinking the same So there's a lot
that goes into calling relative to the situation to the
situation of previous years, and I think that we're heading
in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Follow up, what the hell is wrong with your offense?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well? You ask you what you see? Oh, yeah, you're
the follow up?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh, would you ever consider having somebody else call the place. No,
is there any Is there any scenario, Coach, which you
would allow somebody to call the place?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Is he still in here? Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Next story, Dan, No, I don't need an opportunity at
my press company.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
All right, guys.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Looks like Travis Hunter is going to be having a
bigger role on offense for the Jacksonville Jaguars starting Sunday
in London. Liam Cohen, the head coach of the jack
said today that they are making it a priority to
design and call more plays in which Hunter is the
number one option to take advantage of his speed and athleticism.
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Cohen says scheming him open is part of it, as
he is our number one. Are you guys looking forward
to seeing Travis Hunter get more involved in the Jags offense?
And we're through six weeks? How do you think he's
looked so far in the un off Say the game
is London, Yeah, I won't see it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It'll be available upon you play.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I'm a Scott.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I'm not getting up for that, Dan, I will be up.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
For this particular game. Is I cannot get enough football?
Rise and grind? Should they be designing more things for
Travis Hunter? Hell? Yes, they they've been confused, to put
it lightly, how to handle him period in Jacksonville. So, yes,
how do you guys think that's gone so far?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Do you think that the Jags are just gonna have
to force Travis to choose one side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
They need to know, they need to lean into what
he can do, and they haven't. They've been so cautious
with him. They seem to like be like they think he's.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Gonna break or Jackson Barbie movie.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Dude, it's ridiculous, and they go to all these other
options of Jacksonville. I don't know if you guys have
really watched a lot of what's going on, but they're
like avoiding him, it seems, but they really do. It
feels like they're afraid he's going to get hurt at
any second because of everything else they're doing. He's not
gonna break. He's a big, strong guy man, He's he'll
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be great.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He's only got twenty catches on the whole year.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
How many targets does he have? I'd be curious. I
don't know the answer, But it doesn't feel like they're
even trying to get him the ball, not one thirty
one targets in six games, so you got a number
two overall.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Mean, it's actually not terrible, t Back. I mean, for
a guy that's probably the number two wide receiver on
your team right now, getting averaging five to six targets
per game, all right, how many catches Courtland?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
That's not terrible.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Hey, Cortland's up and he's all over the place, you know,
I mean he has one catch here, eight catches here,
it's two. Yeah, I mean it's not great with Courtland.
You gotta. Yes, there's problems there with the Broncos offense,
for sure, no doubt about it. I can't wait to
see Travis be more involved with whatever they're doing, man,
because it doesn't feel like it's been worth it.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Courtland, sudden, there's twenty seven targets, catches.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Catches, all right, next story Dan.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Lastly, guys Jeff Hafley and Joe Brady have emerged as
leading candidates for the NFL head coaching cycle following the
Titans dismissal of Brian Callahan.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
What like McCoy, I thought he was gonna get the job,
Well he's he.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
He said that, No, the Titans said that that's this
is sort of his audition, his tryout his audition for that.
What do you guys think about Vance Joseph's potential to
be in the twenty twenty six head coaching cycle, especially
if the Broncos defense continues to dominate like they have been.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I think VJ is a great guy and if if
he wants that again, then good on him. I wish
him the best on it. I think some guys are
head coaches and some guys aren't. I don't know. Wade
Phillips was not a head coach, but he is a
great coordinator. Big Fangio is clearly not a head coach,
but he's a great coordinator. VJ is he is killing
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it right now.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I know what you're saying, but I do think that
it's a little bit early to define Dvance Joseph as
that type of game.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Then go for it. I hope he gets a job
if he wants it. He's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
By the way, I mean, as a coach, are you
going to be interested? Are you interested in fifteen million dollars?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah? I am.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Of course, he wouldn't turn it down, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
What is your question, though, is what do.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You think you'd be mentioned?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Leggy just said it an hour ago that that vance
Joseph and this defense gives playing like this will be
looked at in the end.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
When you are coordinator of either the best offense or
the best defense in the NFL, you get interviews. Ain't
no doubt about it. It happens every single year, So
I guess the answer would be yes. It'd be stupid
for him not to if this happens traditionally all the time.
It feels hard for me to believe after watching the
Aaron Glenn experience there. I don't know. I don't know, man,
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it just seems like such an offensive league now that
everybody wants that offensive slant on everything. It seems hard
Tyler to come from the defensive side to be the
head coach. Not impossible, obviously, like McDonald's doing. Yeah, you know,
I mean good first couple of years.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
It's born two right now.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Got Tamiko Ryans in Houston.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I get it. Hey, listen, if you can figure it out,
figure it out. I think the best coach, frankly, in
all honesty, is a guy who can manage the team
like Dan Campbell, giving him some props and let other
people call the plays and then just manage the whole thing.
I actually agree with you a little bit this on this, Scott.
I think it's a lot to handle calling the plays
and running the game and everything. It's it's a lot
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going on.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Well, then what does it matter if you got an
offensive Davis guy?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I guess it really doesn't. But it just seems to
be the trend in the NFL that everybody leans that offensive. Well,
you're probably right. If you're a great manager of other
coaches and you can inspire men to do things that
they normally don't think they can do, you're probably gonna
be one hell to coach.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
And the only people are going to look at as
guys that have been coordinators or a head coach at
one time, because you know they've got a track record
of at least handling the half of the football anyway, right,
And zof is handling the linebackers coach, d line coach,
edge rushing coach, quarterback coach, safety coach.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
He's handled all that right.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So the first time around, I think you got to
give VJ some grace. Man, it was stupid. He wasn't
given any autonomy.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
He wasn't given any on Tommy and he wasn't ready.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Probably both, probably both.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, you're probably right because as the head coach, you've
got to have a philosophical direction that you are gonna
lay the law down and it's gonna be your way,
and he probably wasn't ready for that. I mean, they
did wacky things to him, like trading TJ. Ward when
he didn't even know that was gonna happen. You want
to talk about an embarrassing moment, you know, telling your
team like TJ isn't going anywhere, and then there's Tory
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Rank on the field saying how do you feel about
being traded? Like TJ Wardens is like walking off the field.
You want to talk about a moment like VJ lost
a team. Well, I'll go back to that time amongst others.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Random top But did you guys see the shots Mike
Tomlin took it? Andrew Berry, Yeah, we talked about that yesterday.
That was pretty up.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We we we just said that. I guess there's a
personal issue between Tomlin and Berry, Like.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I think what he was really saying is I respect
Joe Flacco and then now you've made my life that
much more difficult by putting them on a good team.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Okay, you're you're giving him some. To me, it just
felt like a personal shot, like I hate Andrew Berry
for some reason. Why would he Why would he issue
any comment at all? Why does he care? What does
it matter?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Maybe he hates Andrew Berry.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, it felt more like that he just hates Andrew Berry.
And they're they're on their high horse right now, Pittsburgh man,
They're they're.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
No stop stop just because you hate Aaron Rodgers. Why
are they on their high horse there because they're doing
Could I say something? What was the last off the
field Aaron Rodgers story you heard? What is the last
off the field Pittsburgh Steelers story that you heard? Aaron
Rodgers has fit in per perfectly, Like he's fitting in
like glue on that team right now, and he's making
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no headlines.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
It sucks, by the way, you guys, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
I'm not sure he did at the end of Green
Bay time, and I don't think he did in New York.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Right, dude, he's probably got another three or four years
left too. He'll play it all. He's like forty six.
Why wouldn't he That would be that would be start
kicking field goals? How old is he? Just forty?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I think so?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Just I think he'll play.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
He's still at the age that he thinks he can.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
He's doing it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
The eye the.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Delusion says he's Well, didn't don Brady say he was
gonna play atill fifty one time or something like that?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
How old did he make it?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
He made it forty five? That's crazy? Damn what were
you saying there?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Sorry?
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Have you seen what they've dubbed the Steelers Bengals game
between Flacco and Rogers. It's coming up tomorrow night, bat
of the forty year olds. It's the Icy Hot Bowl.
That what they're calling it.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Oh, that was Cam Hayward. He said that to him
about it.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
All right? Do who.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do dynasties make you enjoy a team that you would
normally hate? Details on that coming up next. Do you
root for dynasties?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Appropriate song for what I think you're about to talk about?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Okay, well, that's true. That's definitely a part of it,
any no doubt, I.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Think you the way you phrased it. No, but dude,
dynasties intrigued me. Hell yes, like am I intrigued? Every
single time Tom Brady is playing football Yep, I'm watching.
Am I intrigued every single time Patrick Mahomes is playing football? Yep,
I'm watching, am I rooting for it. That's a different question.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Here's what I think people don't like pretend dynasties that fail.
Like at the end of the day, people got sick
of the Buffalo Bills losing in the Super Bowl. Yeah,
but would you do you get sick of the Kansas
City Chiefs from an objective standpoint winning or Michael Jordan
winning in basketball?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
You know, do you do you get sick of it
Woods dominating golfer?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You well, no, really, I'm just no, I never got
sick of that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I can always appreciate even Kansas City, the dominance and
how they played. That being said, and golf, I don't
have a dog in the hunt, like I don't have
another team on the PGA, and then I'm going go
Phil Mickelson. You know, you know I wasn't so I
did appreciate talking Tiger. That being said, people were tired
of him winning and dominating for a lot of years,
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and when he could fall from grace, they pounced on
him like like you know, stink on a skunk. But
everybody else cheeks. I got somebody to point for it. Yeah,
I'm sick of them Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Oh, you can see where I'm going.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I kind of like the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
But but I but I got to meet Tommy Thesorda
and knew him, and I went, Okay, Tommy Thesorda is
pretty cool guy.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well, I just grew up my entire life hating the Dodgers,
and then I get here and you know, they're in
the scene. No, ironically, I thought those Dodgers were amazing. No,
I grew up, like you know, I don't know, as
a Red Sox guy. You just didn't like the Yankees.
You don't like the Dodgers. You don't like those type
of teams. Then you get here and you see the
Dodgers ten million times, and you see millions of Dodgers fans.
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But I gotta tell you this Dodgers team, Holy cow.
I am such a big Dodgers fan right now, And
I know this is bad because I'm rewarding with my
fandom and rooting for this team. Just a team that's
just obscene with how they spend money. But look at
the players they have and what you're seeing right now.
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You realize, Shoe Hee Otani has been terrible. It's been terrible.
They are rolling through these playoffs and while everybody's really
in love with the story of the Mariners and the
Brewers and all these, you know, you be skippy other
teams and well Red Sox Yankees, quietly, the Dodgers are
just plowing fools, right, and what you saw now.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
They're doing it with starting pitching those first games in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's the first time, like in eight years or something,
a pitcher's like gone a full complete game. But it's
just not that. What's crazy is you've got Snell going
eight innings and then Yamamoto and I'm getting that name wrong.
I think I'm I'm closing off right. Yeah, he gets
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a complete game, gives up three hits, one of them
is a home run, so I mean there's a run
on the ball.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Oh bt the eight and Snell pitch, he only gave
up one hit.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
He get it up one hit, and he picked the
guy off, and he had thrown one hundred and three
pitches and they easily could have stuck him back out
there for the ninth and he probably would have been okay.
But but this is glass now, is another incredible pitcher.
So not only are they not getting any offensive contributions
from Otani, they don't even really need him for pitching.
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You want to talk about like a dynasty in the making,
you gotta look at the Los Angeles Dodgers right now,
and I think the Mariners are gonna get to the
World Series and just like the Rockies and seven, it's
gonna be unbelievable exciting first time there, and then you're
just gonna get your clock cleaned in four straight games.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Burners have never been they've.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Never been to the World Series.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Wow, they I mean they had a little run there
where they were exciting for a while.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well they're exciting. They're hell of exciting right now. But
as we're the Rockies though in two thousand and seven.
But you get there and you're, you know, the the
Rockies face the Red Sox team who had just won
the World Series a couple of years previous, and they
had a little semi dynasty going on on their own
right now, and you're you're landing into this Los Angeles
Dodgers team, which is crazy. My question not to go
too deep on baseball, but do you like it? Do
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you root for it. Do you do you think it's
good for a sport to have teams that are so dominant.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yes, I do, because it's like radio. You can either
love us or hate us, but either way you're watching.
That's what dynasties are when when the piss and say
you're listening.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Won the back to back championships, and they went to
three straight finals, and I think they went to five
or six straight Eastern Conference finals. It was kind of
a cool story word to start with, and then you realized, oh,
we hate these suckers and it becomes fun to cheer
against them at the end. The Dodgers, like I said,
I was reading on them today and what they're starting
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pitching is doing. And listen, you and I talked about
in the regular season with them, they just they were
beating jokers with their bats all all season long. And
now all of a sudden, starting pitcher shows up. And
you said, their weak point is release. Guess what, you
only need three out from early pitchers in the in
the first two games of the National League Championship Series.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, it's crazy, and they almost blew it in the
Snell game, they almost blew it. And Yamamoto yesterday was unbelievable.
And their bats are crazy. Their lineup is insane. What
they have. They could clearly just beat the snot out
of teams and in some sort of hit fest too,
But they're pitching is unreal, right.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
I know the guy in the front office, and I
think he has part of the ownership of the Dodgers,
so I'm buddies with him, so I and I respect him,
I know. And I was a fan of Freddie Freeman
in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So how can you not be a fan of Freddie
Freedan And you look at him, He's not even a Dodger,
He's a brave He just plays for them. I look
at Mookie Betts, he's a Red Sox. I look at
Dave Roberts. I still think about him stealing second against
the Yankees. I look at shoe Hey Otani, and I
just think I don't even think of him as like
a player on a team. I just think of him
as a player. Then they got Max Munsey. You like
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that refrigerator box, the Oscar Hernandez.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
He used to just kill the Rockies, Rocky kill.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You just look at these guys and it's just it's hard.
I don't know, man, I'm struggling right now because I
should not like the Dodgers, but I'm I'm, I'm pulling
for him, and I'm like, is there something wrong with me?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well? Who did you cheer for? When the Red Sox
swept the Rockies us?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That sucked because of my kids, because I'm I was.
I was disappointed at the end of the day because
my kids. Because my kids don't like the Red Sox.
Why would they like the Red Sox. I'm not a
dad that corrupts their children. A lot of dads do that,
by the way, you know, like, why is that eight
year old wearing a Cubs hat that lives in Littleton?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
No, my kids were brainwashing.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Actually, well I noticed when your daughter was in here,
she was wearing her Redskins stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
There you go, Well, I know your son's a Seahawk.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
We've got one team loyaled by my three main teams.
My son is loyal to the Seahawks because he was
born when I was out there. Lydia was born in Ashburn, Virginia,
so she she latched on to the Redskins. And then
Kenzie's my Broncos fan.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Who's going to you to the reunion? Stuff?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Kenzy there.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
That makes sense, right, Yeah, she's the Broncos fan.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I got a daughter.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I faced tired her the other morning to see the
grandkids off before school. And she's sitting there in her
couch and I didn't really say anything, wearing her Kansasy
Chiefs sweatshirt.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
He's married to an army guy. They're stationed in Levenworth.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
She went to KU all right, she she's they've been
stationed in Kansas twice now in their fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And I'm like, and they and the her favorite cousin
lives in Kansas City, Okay, but I'm like still, I'm like,
it was nothing but Broncos in her first eighteen years
of life.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
You can evolve, you can switch, I suppose, because not
only there's anything wrong with being loyal to where you live,
you know, and what makes your community better. There's no
doubt when our teams do better here, our community is better,
There's no doubt about it, doubt. And we have the
Broncos in first place, Tide. You have the Avalanche, who
are well, they gotta be in first place, I would assume.
And the Nuggets are going to be boy are they
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going to be a steamroller this year. It's gonna be awesome.
So we have we have a time. Well, let's help
the bus get things together too, right, Like, let's make
it interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
They might, they might try to make it interesting. I mean,
I don't know what that means, what that means in
terms like the postseason.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
But Utah is a tough challenge, man.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
All I know is they played four top twenty five
teams really well, and they finally got over the hump.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
We got Andy in the room.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
But we said it Andy, I think Andy said on
his show. You might have even said it in one
of these cross talk things. I'm not sure that this
buff team is not not even way better than that
team last year. They just don't have a wide receiver
in a quarterback like they have.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Oh, they got White.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
They're a good team with the bad QB period.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah you think Salt is still a bad QB.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, he had a moment though, didn't.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
He look I like the kid.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
I hate seeing it, you know, when it hinders me
in this part of the job. When I see those
guys that their helmets off, you realize how young they
all are.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I don't want to bag it. On this kid.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
But look, you got a nice paycheck to come here.
Sincere Brown's a hell of a receiver. That dude is
constantly just smoking fools and they can't get him the ball. O.
Marion Miller is a really good receiver. Dreylon Miller is
a really fun player.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
The offensive line. If they would add this offensive.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Line with just shooters, get Travis out of it, just shoot,
a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Could have been different last year.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I'd make the argument of Sudur Sanders was the quarterback
of this team right now, you might be undefeated. Oh yeah,
you'd beat.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Oh yeah, there'd be a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I have trained with you.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I mean, I mean you think back on the games
that they lost. Obviously b y U TCU, I think
you win both those games. The Houston game, I think
you win. And then, uh, what was the first one.
I'm trying to play another one.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
The one they lost. Yeah, Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah. The un fits.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
When it comes to the Broncos and the Giants, what matters?
What numbers matter? And what doesn't matter? I want to
go through the teams by the numbers, So you let
me just ask that question for you off the jump.
What do you think matters and doesn't matter the most
in this particular game? Uh?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
What would matter? I don't know how.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
This is not a tangible right, But what matters to
me is that if you give the Giants life and
you let them be a spark plug of energy, they
might be a dangerous team to deal with, right, So
I think that's real and you have to acknowledge that.
So defensively, man, you just gotta play sown football and
not let them get that spark.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I don't know, Scott, I think energy's gonna be big. Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
And I thought you said, but it's every game. You
never want to allow momentum, okay for the other team,
and their momentum is you know, running, you over slapping
you around, doing of this bit jump. Yeah, so I
think you had control the run game and see if
you and that includes Kataboo and Jackson Dark. And let's
see if Jackson Dark can beat you under the pressure.
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He's gonna see and they like you just said it best.
He didn't played. Anybody's gonna bring pressure.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Like these guys.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, let me give you some numbers then, and you're
right about that. In terms of the defense, there's a
stark difference, but the offenses it's actually stunning. The only
big difference between the Broncos offense and the Giants offense
is sacks allowed. The Broncos just haven't given it up.
Their second in the league in sacks allowed, meaning they
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protect Bow when bo avoid sacks better than just about
everybody else but the Giants offense. In the Broncos offense,
check this out, they're both minus three and giveaway takeaway
both yards per game. The Giants are nineteenth, the Broncos
are fifteenth. Is practically the same yards per play five
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point zero to five point three to two for the
Bronco practically the same points per game twenty point two
for the Giants, twenty one point seven for the Broncos.
Really close, God, we suck. We do. Rushing yards one
thirty for the Broncos a game one twenty six point two.
The Broncos are still one of the better rushing teams,
but the Giants are right there. What about throwing the
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ball Broncos sixteenth, the Giants seventeenth, and it kind of
just goes like that all down the line for every
single metric. However, the Giants are the worst or second
to worst team in the league in red zone scoring.
So for whatever reason, remember how great the Eagles were
theoretically in red zone scoring, The Giants have really stumbled.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You do got to split their season up in part A, know,
the first three games with Russell Wilson, in part B
with Jackson Dart, and they're clearly stronger with their combination now,
but it's something they've struggled in.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Well, Listen, it's no surprise me to see that our
offense looks similar to their, or is Anybody that's got
eyeballs is going to see a Denver Broncs offense that
is struggling. And that's what I've told you. Like with
Jackson Dart, I'm not convinced he's a particularly good quarterback,
not yet, I mean, he's been a great spark plug
for him. But where it's going to get radically different,
And I'm sure you're about to do it, yes, but
now do defense, and it's going to be radically different.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Radically different. Who do you think has more rushing yards
Jackson Dart in three games? Are Bonnicks and six?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Probably Jackson? Oh, I hope boa it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Is Jackson Dart one sixty seven to bo Nicks won
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, he is the intent.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And that's why they're rushing attack statistically looks pretty good.
Their actual running game itself, that does not involve the quarterback.
I think it's kind of that's true. It's not elite,
it's definitely not bad, but it's just middle of the road.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Cam's Kataboo is much more about energy than actual production. However,
if it's divine, if it's designed for three, he might
get you a four and a half. It's something like that.
He doesn't give up on runs and it's you know,
that sort of tenacity.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Can I just say this, and I'm not trying to
knock him skataboo because I love watching him. It's just
that that's what football's meant to be played. Like right,
like like I love everything about the dude. If we
don't lock this dude up, I will be very disappointed.
He's not that good. He's not that good. He's not
that explosive, he's not that talented. If our defense is
as good as it's supposed to be, we should lock
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him up. Like I'm talking less than fifty yards in
the game.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, he will not go out of bounds, and he
will shorten his neck till it's actually inside of his
shoulder blades voluntarily. He will do that, So you gotta
contain that. But he's fall You're right, he's a bulldog.
But he's that big of a guy.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
And yeah, because Mike Calstock was big, Yeah, but he
had some side.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But here's what Skataboo obviously has. He has just incredible
balance and he does not go down easy.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's the advantages of being the little guy.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That is the advantage. And he can he could catch
the ball too, and they're not afraid to throw it
out there to him either, So and there's an energy
with him that's kind of you know, obviously.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Young football teams love you probably need.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I heard al Michaels and Kirk what's his fit herb Street.
They actually said Camp's skataboo looks like football.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, that's what That's what Tyler just says.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Faces a pretty good comment, right, like you look like football.
That's a hell of a compliment. So that's him. But
you're right with the numbers. The numbers with Kataboo, aren't
you know, aren't crazy? You you want to look like
a guy whose numbers are crazy. Right now, Let's look
at John Robinson for the Falcons, who's winning games like
kind of you know, on his own, which is crazy.
But defense, that's where we were going. Guys. It's stunning
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how good this Broncos defense is second in net yards
first and yards per play, second in points per game.
The Texans are number one, by the way, only allowing
like eleven point something, which is like they're coming down
the road. The Texans defense must be pretty special, rushing
yards six, third in passing yards. It's the takeaways. They
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aren't getting the takeaways. It's crazy. They only have one
interception on the year and they only have three fumble
recoveries four takeaways for this defense. That's gonna change, isn't it.
When you're the first team in the league in sacks.
You're the first team on third down, and you're the
first team in red zone, and you're an awesome Well.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
The reason why that surprises me is because what really
creates turnovers in the passing game, it's not the defensive backs,
it's your ad rushers, it's the it's the presence of
human bodies that are right in front of quarterback, whether
you're actually hitting the quarterback or you're tipping the ball,
whatever it might be.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Fortunately, got to step up and throw it off schedule
and off balance.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Cultive line is got to be the best overall group
in the NFL getting after the quarterback. That surprises me
that they haven't caused more turnovers.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Although the Broncos don't lead in scoring defense, it's but
their second to the Texans. I think it's really hard
to make an argument they're not the best defense in
the NFL right now, guys, turnovers gotta be coming. And
against the Saints, once they were pressed a little bit,
Once the Giants felt a little pressure there, the ball
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started slipping out being picked off. Mistakes were made left
and right. What was impressive was that against the Eagles
they corrected all of those mistakes and didn't turn the
ball over at all, but it was a lot of
Jackson Dart running around. I think it's pretty clear right
now the Broncos defense is far superior than the Eagles defense.
I think the Broncos are gonna win this one and
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then there's another thing. Four not not this week. I
think the Broncos might win something like twenty to sixteen.
I mean the Eagles. And by the way, this Giants
defense you.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Go up becaust that's an interesting pretiction. I mean, we're
going up against the twenty eighth total defense in the NFL,
and you don't think we can score on these guys.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I kind of got to see it, right of the waves,
right the waves. I'll tell you this though, if you
get three turnovers, which is not crazy, well, I'm just
looking at how it presents itself right now. Tell me
I'm wrong. But I will tell you the Giants defense
will present big plays, They'll allow big rushing plays, and
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they'll give you some throws over the top. I just
don't know if I got the confidence and bowing this
offense to hit on those plays, that's all. And you
just did struggle against a horrible Jets team and defense.
They they suck, and you really just were at wits
end on how to.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Handle were they defensively because he did they didn't move.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Jets they're they're not like the worst, but they're like
twenty six, twenty seventh in the league defensively. And now
you're going against the team that's got Thibodeau, Abdul Carter,
Brian Burns. I mean you got some You got some
dudes over there with the Giants. I don't Quentin Williams
is okay, but you don't have dudes over there with
the Jets.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
The Giants twentieth, Jets, you twentieth and overall d Probably
after last week they had to go up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh, I'm sure probably. I'm sure that helped real fast.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Mike Alstatt, what do you play it? Wait, yeah, I'll
say two forty.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah, six one two forty eighth Peyton hillis two thirty
five six one two forty to forty scataboo five EIDs
to twenty eight five eleven, two fifteen, two fifteen. That
is a big difference.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, I guarantee you that dude ade five eleven.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Well, but that that way wise for playing the way
he plays, that's a big difference from two not afraid
to bump into you guys that I remember, right.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I let him back up. You see the Broncos handling
things relatively easily, then.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I think they should. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I was always worried about London, just I was always
worried about it. And as bad as that game was,
I am so tempted to just not even analyze it.
I'm just so tempted to just throw it out. You
got the win, you got home, thank God. It's just
one of those situations that I knew was going to
be difficult. You're handling the transition time all that, and
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so I'm gonna toss that one out with the bathwater,
pretend like it never happened.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Maybe naive of me.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
You're going up against a Giants team that I'm not
scared about, Jackson Dart, I'm not scared about Camp Scataboo,
and they've got a bad defense. I think the Broncos
should handle their business relatively.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Their best receiver.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Let me, guys give you Let me give you guys
an over and under which you guys are way higher
on CAM than I am. But let me give you that. Well,
just because he's fun. I just like guys to play
like that. I don't I don't know if he's thinking good.
I like guys playing like that.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You like him because you're at the house.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
He's like, he's like Mark Mavarro, except heiny. That's what
I like. Before he had, you know, kids and babysitters
over under six punts by cross Shaw. That's gonna be terman.
How many? How many points are gonna score?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I was gonna give you one more number that's under
on that?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Then you then you got him scored a few more points. Yeah,
I should have said like five and a half. So
five and a half over and under cross Shaw punts.
If it's over, they're gonna score a lot of points.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Five. I didn't even go five.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, five, Oh my god, probably if lives a really
good number, probably over probably gonna you know what else?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Get them score in twenty points? Can I can?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I just tell you this if if you're over on
that against this defense, you know what else is over
your your hopes and dreams of winning the AFC West
because your offense really just sucks and it's not an outlier.
Like I'm trying to convince myself that Jets game is
an outlier for all the various reasons. And if you
can't score on this defense, you are not gonna win
the ANFC West. Like that, it's over with. So that
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game was not an outlier. That means that was not
an outlier.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Correct, Well, the rubber means the road. By the way,
the Broncos did make a move. Not only was Garrett
Wallow we'll see you at the reunion goes on i R.
They signed J. T. Gray, who's a special teams guy
that's connected to Rizzy and Peyton with the Saints. Of course,
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the Broncos are the worst team in the league. The
only category their worst in the league in is kickoff coverage.
And the Giant's got this Oleski guy. Great, first name's
Gunner Oleski.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Wait, can I ask you no dumb question. I don't
know if you know the answer to it. But if
we're worse than the league at kickoff coverage, do you
know the average starting possession for our opponents.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
For our eye, Well, we give up twenty nine point
three per twenty nine is our average?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
All right?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well we're even giving up a seventy two yard er
the other day.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, that means you're still keeping him underneath the thirty five.
The only reason, the only reason I was asking was
does it say we should actually put the ball in
the end zone? That's why, which it does not say.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's exactly where I was going. Where you're catching the
ball like the three or the four, so the ball
is essentially coming out to the thirty five. But because
you're not kicking it through the end zone, they're so bad.
That's got to be a point of conversation this week. Frankly,
That's where I was gonna go, Like, if you risk
giving up forty yard returns and seventy yard returns for
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the you know handful that you keep under the thirty five,
but for like what every five kicks, you're gonna let
one go past midfield.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Well, assume they catch the ball on the one or
two yard line every time. That means they're getting the
ball in about the thirty to thirty two yard.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, but you run the risk that they're gonna get
it over midfield or even a bit.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But I mean, the the stats actually say that the
majority of the time we're keeping them underneath that they do,
but they gotta go with the stats.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
They also say you're the worst team in the league
at this Yeah, I think, listen, this is a ridiculous
kind of conversation because.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I guess to really answer your question, I would have
to know how many returns have we given up that
ended up pass the forty yard line?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Right?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Well, according to this right here again just just Jets.
I haven't looked in for the whole season. You know
what the Jets average starting position was according to this
forty three?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, so you're twenty four.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
We are this close to considering because of how bad
the special teams is to just kick the ball through
the end zone. And we got to be one of
the only teams in the NFL that would even have
that conversation because it's dumb to have. But that's how
bad the Broncos are, and that's it, and that would
be one lousy way to lose a game, wasn't it
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that you just can't do something that basic and you
give your opponents such a huge advantage. Let's football go
with Dan Tanner coming up next. So Queen Amadula is like,
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Speaker 3 (15:25):
All right?
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Speaker 3 (15:37):
Dan? I'm ready boys.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Let's football go all right.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
CBS Sports has one trade candidate for each AFC contender.
They have an offensive player in mind for the Broncos.
Do you guys, First, let's just start with you want
to guess what position group on offense they have the
Broncos in this potential trade scenario trading for Well.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I would guess it's a guard, but I don't know
how up to date this is.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
If it was.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Written an hour ago, it might be a guard. If
it was written yesterday before, it's probably wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It was written this morning, it should be a guard.
Then I think I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I'm gonna go with running back.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Nope, could be linebacker, No offensive player, offensive player, receiver player,
Oh well, you know where you just name every offensive
They have the Broncos in this mock trade trading for
Mark Andrews, the tight end from the Baltimore Ravens. They
say Bo Knicks has been up and down. He's got
nine passing touchdowns. Four interceptions and the Broncos are lacking
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in the tight end spot. They now they don't have
the value that would be going back to Baltimore, but
they do have. The Broncos potentially trading for Mark Andrews,
who's on the final year of his deal. Would this
makes sense for you guys?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Hell yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Would love to have Mark Andrews.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
It depends a little bit on what you think this
year is gonna be. I mean, if Sean Payton still
thinks he's got a Super Bowl team, then hell yeah,
I love to have Mark Andrews. It doesn't make a
lot of sense if you still think you're in a
building foundation phase of your football team. But Mark Andrews
is as talented and well rounded of a tight end
as it comes. The dude can block, you can catch.
Dude just a baller, and it makes sense. I mean,
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we really we still have tight end issues.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
And they had an uncharacteristic bad drop in the Why
you Gotta Go There AFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I don't know, man, that isn't Evan Ingram coming along
at this point, Like you're not getting what you need
out of him right now.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Evan's not a complete tight end though Mark Andrews.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Is all right, But I don't know, man, I feel
like there's other needs. Well listen, I'm all for dynamic players. Awesome.
I mean they got this guy, Theo Johnson there.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
It's just blue collar does work? Do you?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I do?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I think you just don't like blue collared people.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I like blue collar people. I love blue collar people.
I don't like them, dude, what are you nuts? I'm
my mom all about the blue collar.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I see you spent a lot of time Tyler. I
seem to spend a lot of time with white collar,
never hooking up.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
The Jannet blue collar phobia.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The hell you talking about? I was doing some blue
collar work last night. Let me tell you, hanging out
with our great fans up there in the sweet doing.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Because happy to beat our fans.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I wasn't grinding at all. It was awesome. It was great.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
The white collar people told him to be there.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Can you beat blue collar in a suite?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
We we were last night. I'm telling you that it
was blue collars you get.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Let's say we pale face.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I had a great time last night hanging out with
those truck drivers. I love what do you mean blue collar?
Of course I like blue collar.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I just wondered you talking. You don't like Mark Andrews.
This blue collar of for tight ends there is.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It's hard to ride the wave with blue collar.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's what the hell? What the hell is Adam Troutman?
What's Adam Troutman?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Oh you're a big Adam Troutman fan.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No, all right, next story, Dan.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Proven Scott's point.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Why he's fine if you can we get Mark Andrews.
Get Mark Andrews. Sure, I'm all about having dynamic playmakers.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
You could get Mark Andrews. I'm not sure that Sean
Payton's offense and the way he calls plays ever gonna
get him involved anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I'm up forgetting anybody that's gonna make the off.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Say that about any offensive player, though.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
But blue collar I want a guard.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I'm talking to Scott. All right, relax, Chael.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
One more thing here with the trade possibilities for the Broncos. Now,
the Broncos aren't mentioned here specifically, guys, but Jeremy Fowler
of ESPN is reporting that multiple teams believe that the
Raiders could be willing to part ways with wide receiver
Jacoby Myers would that pique your interests at all for
the Broncos? And if so, what do you think it
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would take for the Broncos to go get Jacoby Myers
out of the division.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I have no interest in that. I think you just
got to get bow moving a little bit and you
got you got enough wide receiver talent to do the
trick there. I think that's that's not your problem. I'm
not interested.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Well, he's got more production this year than any of
our other wide receivers not named Cortland Sutton. So would
he be an upgrade to Troy Franklin? Would he be
an upgrade to Marvin Mems? Yeah, he probably would. Let's
see Jacoby is how old is Jacoby thirty one? Has
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he been in the league that long? I mean, I
guess My only point is that factors then do it.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I am interested in upgrading the number two wide receiver.
THO would answer your question?
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Uh, well, let's send you tell me your quarterback coach
is gonna start calling plays and give me some offensive people.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Boy, I'll tell you what, man, If Sean.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Payn's twenty eight, that's still pretty.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I know some of them muggles listen to our show.
I challenged him to ask Sean Payton, and he's gonna
talk here momentarily, just ask him plat out, is there
any scenario in which you would consider giving away the
play calling duties to focus more on the team or whatever?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Have you thought about it.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Or and if you want to get around that, So,
where would you write your play play calling so far
this year?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Not just be more direct? I would just flat out
be more direct. You did it in the preseason. Have
you given consideration to allowing somebody else to call?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So you.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Sean Bayton, keep that question, Sean, how would you rate
your play calling so far this year? Listen?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, relative to previous years that we had. Uh, you know,
we were in a groove with Drew Brees and it
was a little bit we were on the same page
and we're just thinking the same So there's a lot
that goes into calling relative to the situation to the
situation of previous years, and I think that we're heading
in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Follow up, what the hell is wrong with your offense?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well? You ask you what you see? Oh, yeah, you're
the follow up?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh, would you ever consider having somebody else call the place. No,
is there any Is there any scenario, Coach, which you
would allow somebody to call the place?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Is he still in here? Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Next story, Dan, No, I don't need an opportunity at
my press company.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
All right, guys.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Looks like Travis Hunter is going to be having a
bigger role on offense for the Jacksonville Jaguars starting Sunday
in London. Liam Cohen, the head coach of the jack
said today that they are making it a priority to
design and call more plays in which Hunter is the
number one option to take advantage of his speed and athleticism.
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Cohen says scheming him open is part of it, as
he is our number one. Are you guys looking forward
to seeing Travis Hunter get more involved in the Jags offense?
And we're through six weeks? How do you think he's
looked so far in the un off Say the game
is London, Yeah, I won't see it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It'll be available upon you play.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I'm a Scott.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I'm not getting up for that, Dan, I will be up.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
For this particular game. Is I cannot get enough football?
Rise and grind? Should they be designing more things for
Travis Hunter? Hell? Yes, they they've been confused, to put
it lightly, how to handle him period in Jacksonville. So, yes,
how do you guys think that's gone so far?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Do you think that the Jags are just gonna have
to force Travis to choose one side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
They need to know, they need to lean into what
he can do, and they haven't. They've been so cautious
with him. They seem to like be like they think he's.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Gonna break or Jackson Barbie movie.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Dude, it's ridiculous, and they go to all these other
options of Jacksonville. I don't know if you guys have
really watched a lot of what's going on, but they're
like avoiding him, it seems, but they really do. It
feels like they're afraid he's going to get hurt at
any second because of everything else they're doing. He's not
gonna break. He's a big, strong guy man, He's he'll
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be great.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He's only got twenty catches on the whole year.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
How many targets does he have? I'd be curious. I
don't know the answer, But it doesn't feel like they're
even trying to get him the ball, not one thirty
one targets in six games, so you got a number
two overall.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Mean, it's actually not terrible, t Back. I mean, for
a guy that's probably the number two wide receiver on
your team right now, getting averaging five to six targets
per game, all right, how many catches Courtland?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
That's not terrible.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Hey, Cortland's up and he's all over the place, you know,
I mean he has one catch here, eight catches here,
it's two. Yeah, I mean it's not great with Courtland.
You gotta. Yes, there's problems there with the Broncos offense,
for sure, no doubt about it. I can't wait to
see Travis be more involved with whatever they're doing, man,
because it doesn't feel like it's been worth it.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Courtland, sudden, there's twenty seven targets, catches.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Catches, all right, next story Dan.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Lastly, guys Jeff Hafley and Joe Brady have emerged as
leading candidates for the NFL head coaching cycle following the
Titans dismissal of Brian Callahan.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
What like McCoy, I thought he was gonna get the job,
Well he's he.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
He said that, No, the Titans said that that's this
is sort of his audition, his tryout his audition for that.
What do you guys think about Vance Joseph's potential to
be in the twenty twenty six head coaching cycle, especially
if the Broncos defense continues to dominate like they have been.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I think VJ is a great guy and if if
he wants that again, then good on him. I wish
him the best on it. I think some guys are
head coaches and some guys aren't. I don't know. Wade
Phillips was not a head coach, but he is a
great coordinator. Big Fangio is clearly not a head coach,
but he's a great coordinator. VJ is he is killing
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it right now.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I know what you're saying, but I do think that
it's a little bit early to define Dvance Joseph as
that type of game.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Then go for it. I hope he gets a job
if he wants it. He's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
By the way, I mean, as a coach, are you
going to be interested? Are you interested in fifteen million dollars?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah? I am.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Of course, he wouldn't turn it down, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
What is your question, though, is what do.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You think you'd be mentioned?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Leggy just said it an hour ago that that vance
Joseph and this defense gives playing like this will be
looked at in the end.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
When you are coordinator of either the best offense or
the best defense in the NFL, you get interviews. Ain't
no doubt about it. It happens every single year, So
I guess the answer would be yes. It'd be stupid
for him not to if this happens traditionally all the time.
It feels hard for me to believe after watching the
Aaron Glenn experience there. I don't know. I don't know, man,
(26:53):
it just seems like such an offensive league now that
everybody wants that offensive slant on everything. It seems hard
Tyler to come from the defensive side to be the
head coach. Not impossible, obviously, like McDonald's doing. Yeah, you know,
I mean good first couple of years.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
It's born two right now.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Got Tamiko Ryans in Houston.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I get it. Hey, listen, if you can figure it out,
figure it out. I think the best coach, frankly, in
all honesty, is a guy who can manage the team
like Dan Campbell, giving him some props and let other
people call the plays and then just manage the whole thing.
I actually agree with you a little bit this on this, Scott.
I think it's a lot to handle calling the plays
and running the game and everything. It's it's a lot
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going on.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Well, then what does it matter if you got an
offensive Davis guy?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I guess it really doesn't. But it just seems to
be the trend in the NFL that everybody leans that offensive. Well,
you're probably right. If you're a great manager of other
coaches and you can inspire men to do things that
they normally don't think they can do, you're probably gonna
be one hell to coach.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
And the only people are going to look at as
guys that have been coordinators or a head coach at
one time, because you know they've got a track record
of at least handling the half of the football anyway, right,
And zof is handling the linebackers coach, d line coach,
edge rushing coach, quarterback coach, safety coach.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
He's handled all that right.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So the first time around, I think you got to
give VJ some grace. Man, it was stupid. He wasn't
given any autonomy.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
He wasn't given any on Tommy and he wasn't ready.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Probably both, probably both.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, you're probably right because as the head coach, you've
got to have a philosophical direction that you are gonna
lay the law down and it's gonna be your way,
and he probably wasn't ready for that. I mean, they
did wacky things to him, like trading TJ. Ward when
he didn't even know that was gonna happen. You want
to talk about an embarrassing moment, you know, telling your
team like TJ isn't going anywhere, and then there's Tory
(28:51):
Rank on the field saying how do you feel about
being traded? Like TJ Wardens is like walking off the field.
You want to talk about a moment like VJ lost
a team. Well, I'll go back to that time amongst others.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Random top But did you guys see the shots Mike
Tomlin took it? Andrew Berry, Yeah, we talked about that yesterday.
That was pretty up.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We we we just said that. I guess there's a
personal issue between Tomlin and Berry, Like.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I think what he was really saying is I respect
Joe Flacco and then now you've made my life that
much more difficult by putting them on a good team.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Okay, you're you're giving him some. To me, it just
felt like a personal shot, like I hate Andrew Berry
for some reason. Why would he Why would he issue
any comment at all? Why does he care? What does
it matter?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Maybe he hates Andrew Berry.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, it felt more like that he just hates Andrew Berry.
And they're they're on their high horse right now, Pittsburgh man,
They're they're.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
No stop stop just because you hate Aaron Rodgers. Why
are they on their high horse there because they're doing
Could I say something? What was the last off the
field Aaron Rodgers story you heard? What is the last
off the field Pittsburgh Steelers story that you heard? Aaron
Rodgers has fit in per perfectly, Like he's fitting in
like glue on that team right now, and he's making
(30:04):
no headlines.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
It sucks, by the way, you guys, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
I'm not sure he did at the end of Green
Bay time, and I don't think he did in New York.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Right, dude, he's probably got another three or four years
left too. He'll play it all. He's like forty six.
Why wouldn't he That would be that would be start
kicking field goals? How old is he? Just forty?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I think so?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Just I think he'll play.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
He's still at the age that he thinks he can.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
He's doing it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
The eye the.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Delusion says he's Well, didn't don Brady say he was
gonna play atill fifty one time or something like that?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
How old did he make it?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
He made it forty five? That's crazy? Damn what were
you saying there?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Sorry?
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Have you seen what they've dubbed the Steelers Bengals game
between Flacco and Rogers. It's coming up tomorrow night, bat
of the forty year olds. It's the Icy Hot Bowl.
That what they're calling it.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Oh, that was Cam Hayward. He said that to him
about it.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
All right? Do who.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do dynasties make you enjoy a team that you would
normally hate? Details on that coming up next. Do you
root for dynasties?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Appropriate song for what I think you're about to talk about?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Okay, well, that's true. That's definitely a part of it,
any no doubt, I.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Think you the way you phrased it. No, but dude,
dynasties intrigued me. Hell yes, like am I intrigued? Every
single time Tom Brady is playing football Yep, I'm watching.
Am I intrigued every single time Patrick Mahomes is playing football? Yep,
I'm watching, am I rooting for it. That's a different question.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Here's what I think people don't like pretend dynasties that fail.
Like at the end of the day, people got sick
of the Buffalo Bills losing in the Super Bowl. Yeah,
but would you do you get sick of the Kansas
City Chiefs from an objective standpoint winning or Michael Jordan
winning in basketball?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
You know, do you do you get sick of it
Woods dominating golfer?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You well, no, really, I'm just no, I never got
sick of that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I can always appreciate even Kansas City, the dominance and
how they played. That being said, and golf, I don't
have a dog in the hunt, like I don't have
another team on the PGA, and then I'm going go
Phil Mickelson. You know, you know I wasn't so I
did appreciate talking Tiger. That being said, people were tired
of him winning and dominating for a lot of years,
(32:29):
and when he could fall from grace, they pounced on
him like like you know, stink on a skunk. But
everybody else cheeks. I got somebody to point for it. Yeah,
I'm sick of them Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Oh, you can see where I'm going.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I kind of like the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
But but I but I got to meet Tommy Thesorda
and knew him, and I went, Okay, Tommy Thesorda is
pretty cool guy.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well, I just grew up my entire life hating the Dodgers,
and then I get here and you know, they're in
the scene. No, ironically, I thought those Dodgers were amazing. No,
I grew up, like you know, I don't know, as
a Red Sox guy. You just didn't like the Yankees.
You don't like the Dodgers. You don't like those type
of teams. Then you get here and you see the
Dodgers ten million times, and you see millions of Dodgers fans.
(33:11):
But I gotta tell you this Dodgers team, Holy cow.
I am such a big Dodgers fan right now, And
I know this is bad because I'm rewarding with my
fandom and rooting for this team. Just a team that's
just obscene with how they spend money. But look at
the players they have and what you're seeing right now.
(33:31):
You realize, Shoe Hee Otani has been terrible. It's been terrible.
They are rolling through these playoffs and while everybody's really
in love with the story of the Mariners and the
Brewers and all these, you know, you be skippy other
teams and well Red Sox Yankees, quietly, the Dodgers are
just plowing fools, right, and what you saw now.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
They're doing it with starting pitching those first games in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's the first time, like in eight years or something,
a pitcher's like gone a full complete game. But it's
just not that. What's crazy is you've got Snell going
eight innings and then Yamamoto and I'm getting that name wrong.
I think I'm I'm closing off right. Yeah, he gets
(34:16):
a complete game, gives up three hits, one of them
is a home run, so I mean there's a run
on the ball.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Oh bt the eight and Snell pitch, he only gave
up one hit.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
He get it up one hit, and he picked the
guy off, and he had thrown one hundred and three
pitches and they easily could have stuck him back out
there for the ninth and he probably would have been okay.
But but this is glass now, is another incredible pitcher.
So not only are they not getting any offensive contributions
from Otani, they don't even really need him for pitching.
(34:47):
You want to talk about like a dynasty in the making,
you gotta look at the Los Angeles Dodgers right now,
and I think the Mariners are gonna get to the
World Series and just like the Rockies and seven, it's
gonna be unbelievable exciting first time there, and then you're
just gonna get your clock cleaned in four straight games.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Burners have never been they've.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Never been to the World Series.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Wow, they I mean they had a little run there
where they were exciting for a while.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well they're exciting. They're hell of exciting right now. But
as we're the Rockies though in two thousand and seven.
But you get there and you're, you know, the the
Rockies face the Red Sox team who had just won
the World Series a couple of years previous, and they
had a little semi dynasty going on on their own
right now, and you're you're landing into this Los Angeles
Dodgers team, which is crazy. My question not to go
too deep on baseball, but do you like it? Do
(35:33):
you root for it. Do you do you think it's
good for a sport to have teams that are so dominant.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yes, I do, because it's like radio. You can either
love us or hate us, but either way you're watching.
That's what dynasties are when when the piss and say
you're listening.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Won the back to back championships, and they went to
three straight finals, and I think they went to five
or six straight Eastern Conference finals. It was kind of
a cool story word to start with, and then you realized, oh,
we hate these suckers and it becomes fun to cheer
against them at the end. The Dodgers, like I said,
I was reading on them today and what they're starting
(36:10):
pitching is doing. And listen, you and I talked about
in the regular season with them, they just they were
beating jokers with their bats all all season long. And
now all of a sudden, starting pitcher shows up. And
you said, their weak point is release. Guess what, you
only need three out from early pitchers in the in
the first two games of the National League Championship Series.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, it's crazy, and they almost blew it in the
Snell game, they almost blew it. And Yamamoto yesterday was unbelievable.
And their bats are crazy. Their lineup is insane. What
they have. They could clearly just beat the snot out
of teams and in some sort of hit fest too,
But they're pitching is unreal, right.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
I know the guy in the front office, and I
think he has part of the ownership of the Dodgers,
so I'm buddies with him, so I and I respect him,
I know. And I was a fan of Freddie Freeman
in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So how can you not be a fan of Freddie
Freedan And you look at him, He's not even a Dodger,
He's a brave He just plays for them. I look
at Mookie Betts, he's a Red Sox. I look at
Dave Roberts. I still think about him stealing second against
the Yankees. I look at shoe Hey Otani, and I
just think I don't even think of him as like
a player on a team. I just think of him
as a player. Then they got Max Munsey. You like
(37:22):
that refrigerator box, the Oscar Hernandez.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
He used to just kill the Rockies, Rocky kill.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You just look at these guys and it's just it's hard.
I don't know, man, I'm struggling right now because I
should not like the Dodgers, but I'm I'm, I'm pulling
for him, and I'm like, is there something wrong with me?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well? Who did you cheer for? When the Red Sox
swept the Rockies us?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That sucked because of my kids, because I'm I was.
I was disappointed at the end of the day because
my kids. Because my kids don't like the Red Sox.
Why would they like the Red Sox. I'm not a
dad that corrupts their children. A lot of dads do that,
by the way, you know, like, why is that eight
year old wearing a Cubs hat that lives in Littleton?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
No, my kids were brainwashing.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Actually, well I noticed when your daughter was in here,
she was wearing her Redskins stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
There you go, Well, I know your son's a Seahawk.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
We've got one team loyaled by my three main teams.
My son is loyal to the Seahawks because he was
born when I was out there. Lydia was born in Ashburn, Virginia,
so she she latched on to the Redskins. And then
Kenzie's my Broncos fan.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Who's going to you to the reunion? Stuff?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Kenzy there.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
That makes sense, right, Yeah, she's the Broncos fan.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I got a daughter.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I faced tired her the other morning to see the
grandkids off before school. And she's sitting there in her
couch and I didn't really say anything, wearing her Kansasy
Chiefs sweatshirt.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
He's married to an army guy. They're stationed in Levenworth.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
She went to KU all right, she she's they've been
stationed in Kansas twice now in their fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And I'm like, and they and the her favorite cousin
lives in Kansas City, Okay, but I'm like still, I'm like,
it was nothing but Broncos in her first eighteen years
of life.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
You can evolve, you can switch, I suppose, because not
only there's anything wrong with being loyal to where you live,
you know, and what makes your community better. There's no
doubt when our teams do better here, our community is better,
There's no doubt about it, doubt. And we have the
Broncos in first place, Tide. You have the Avalanche, who
are well, they gotta be in first place, I would assume.
And the Nuggets are going to be boy are they
(39:46):
going to be a steamroller this year. It's gonna be awesome.
So we have we have a time. Well, let's help
the bus get things together too, right, Like, let's make
it interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
They might, they might try to make it interesting. I mean,
I don't know what that means, what that means in
terms like the postseason.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
But Utah is a tough challenge, man.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
All I know is they played four top twenty five
teams really well, and they finally got over the hump.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
We got Andy in the room.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
But we said it Andy, I think Andy said on
his show. You might have even said it in one
of these cross talk things. I'm not sure that this
buff team is not not even way better than that
team last year. They just don't have a wide receiver
in a quarterback like they have.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Oh, they got White.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
They're a good team with the bad QB period.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah you think Salt is still a bad QB.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, he had a moment though, didn't.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
He look I like the kid.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
I hate seeing it, you know, when it hinders me
in this part of the job. When I see those
guys that their helmets off, you realize how young they
all are.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I don't want to bag it. On this kid.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
But look, you got a nice paycheck to come here.
Sincere Brown's a hell of a receiver. That dude is
constantly just smoking fools and they can't get him the ball. O.
Marion Miller is a really good receiver. Dreylon Miller is
a really fun player.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
The offensive line. If they would add this offensive.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Line with just shooters, get Travis out of it, just shoot,
a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Could have been different last year.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I'd make the argument of Sudur Sanders was the quarterback
of this team right now, you might be undefeated. Oh yeah,
you'd beat.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Oh yeah, there'd be a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I have trained with you.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I mean, I mean you think back on the games
that they lost. Obviously b y U TCU, I think
you win both those games. The Houston game, I think
you win. And then, uh, what was the first one.
I'm trying to play another one.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
The one they lost. Yeah, Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah. The un fits.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
I've learned all about run fits between Chad Brown and
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