8-21-25 Hour 1: Vele trade reaction

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well live from the Backus and Shankers Studios in Lone Tree, Colorado,
and from the Roaring Fork Valley outside of Nature's most
beautiful part. I think Scott of Colorado. I'm I'm a
Roaring Fork fan.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah. The Aspen Grove Club is located between Aspen and Carbondale.
Right culture Carbondale and what's that place with all the
hot springs springs. It's about ten to fifteen twenty minutes
away from Glenwood Springs.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Tough life.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, I think the million address might be Carbondale, But yeah,
I think as another twenty twenty five minutes story Miniciula.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Well, I tell you what, if you want to go
down there, it is y Fork.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
You go get the river runs right through the course.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Oh it's good, it's gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
And you go down that little road you get in
a small little town of Marble, and you can get
to a little ghost town named I think it's gypsyent Er.
A crystal Crystal, a little ghost town named Crystal, and
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Like, whoa, everybody's got a ghost of a Crystal.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
So man, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's such a spectacular area. I hope you're cool there, man,
because it is. Man, what do we got one hundred degrees.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Or something right now?

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Oh no, you're nuts. It's not one hundred. Where are
we at eighty nine?

Speaker 5 (01:36):
I think eighty nine? Oh I thought it's warmer than that.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Crazy, it was supposed to be eighty nine to ninety
one here.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Whoa, Wow, that's real hot.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I ain't a break yeah, I mean it is smoking
out there, not in the sunshine. But you know, I'm
sitting on the veranda of their clubhouse.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
The restaurant looks beautiful, looks absolutely gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Maybe I'll give you a walk over and give you
a few little man. I love it.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
I love it out there. I've done some camping up there.
There's a big lake right around there.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I've done a lot of hiking, biking, climbing, uh, oh
my god, skiing. It is awesome there, man, it is awesome.
So good for you, man, I hope you knowing for all.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
The fluff fluff that Aspen gets, probably well well deserved
it's still not that far from Denver when you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
It's far enough that it's just a pain in the butt.
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
That's the best part of it.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You know what of all the food fushichi things about Aspen,
at the end of the day, Aspen is still a town.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
It is. It is a town, and I like.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
That about It's a fancy town for sure, but it
feels to me like like a town, which I think
is pretty.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Cool town with ARMANI.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's like that. No, it's definitely like that.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
But I mean there's so many like really like nature
sort of things out there. Listen, let's keep this town
where Sierra Higgs out.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
The Sierra asked, I'm sure she does.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think, like, you know, Veil, which I do love
too for its own reasons, but that's like a rest stop.
And to me, Beaver Creek is a little manufactured beautiful
still nevertheless, but you know, to me, Aspen in that area,
Carbondale and all that stuff, I think it's gorgeou Scott.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
We used to vacation for about a week in Veil
every year, and there's about fifty golf courses around there
that you can always drive to and play a different course,
and then all the ski runs you can bike up
or hike up. Absolutely those ski runs. I remember I
had my son was probably two, and you know you

(03:36):
do the switchbacks to get down from the top. I
think we took a ski lift up the top and
we walked back down. He decides instead of going down
the hill and taking the switch back and coming back
the other way, he just took off going and I
got this. I am chasing this two and a half
year old at full speed because I'm like thinking because

(03:57):
he ain't stopping, and I'm just trying to get before
he goes, you know, head over heels. But no, Bill
listen and the river runs right by. We had a
condo right on the river, so you can hear that
that that little stream river kind of go by you
every night.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
Vale's absolutely gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
With the wife and I, we took the gondola up
and we hiked down this summer. It was fantastic. Never
done that before there. It was one of the things
I haven't done there. It was fantastic. But hey, Colorade
was a special place.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
So you mean I did something in the mountains before you.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
I guess I've never done that, but I did.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
I did do it.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
So you know you're in a You're in a great place,
and I know you're at the.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Grand Junction tomorrow and watching your kid play sports and
all that sort of fun stuff. So a great weekend
for you. We're glad that you're with us. We got
to get into Devon Veley getting traded. Your impressions of
that right off the bat Tyler.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Wow, Wow, Holy cow. I mean, I definitely thought this
was coming. I brought it up about two weeks ago,
specifically with Devon Vley, and then asked Jeff Lakeweld yesterday
about it. Didn't use Devon's name specifically when I asked Jeff,
but I just had a gut feeling this was coming
because this room is so redundant right now. You play
with Pat Bryant and Devon Valley. Those two are redundant

(05:07):
football players. The emergence of Troy Franklin, the very pleasant
surprise of Trent Sherfield and what he's been able to
do in training camp. You had six bodies in that room,
all worthy of being on this team, and yet on
game day, even if you carried all six, one of
those dudes was gonna have to be a healthy scratch

(05:27):
every single week, So you're gonna be carried a dude
that has got value for no reason.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
And then when I saw what they got in return,
Holy crud man. You got a fourth round and a
seventh round back for a guy that just last year.
Last year you invested a seventh rounder in Devon Vailey.
You recoup that seventh rounder, you get a fourth rounder back.
And on top of that, the Saints are arguably going

(05:53):
to be the worst team in the league, and it's
probably going to be the first second pick of the
fourth round.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
How about that.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, here's where the the only place for the redundancy ends.
And like Tyler just said, four and seven, forget whatever
whatever the redundancy ended in the Vley was twenty seven, right,
and Pat Bryan is is what twenty two twenty going
on twenty three or something like.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
That sounds about right.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean, that's a big difference in football's doler You
know that another four or five years and so how
many you know, how long does Vale go? You know,
even if he goes to his next contract, he signed
that what at thirty thirty one, and you know, thirty
year old, thirty one year old receiver. I tell you what, though,
I like Vley still and I think he'll he'll be

(06:36):
good in New Orleans. He'll probably be their leading receiver
in New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Okay, maybe I'm they're gonna have a terrible year.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
No, But you know what, I think it's a fair
point because for Devin Vley, he's got to feel kind
of screwed over right now a little bit, you know, like, like,
what more did you want from me? I got four
hundred and fifty su yards last year. I was your
second leading receiver. I've done nothing but help and I'm
in a good situation on a team that is supposed
to do really well this year, right and now you're

(07:03):
trading me to what is supposed to be the worst
team in the NFL. And that sucks. It's a bad feeling.
But to Scott's point right there, if I was Devon
Valley's agent, I'd be like, actually, dude, this is a
great opportunity for you because if you think about this
for a second, yes, you're gonna have to suffer through
a couple of years of really bad football. You're probably

(07:24):
not gonna win a lot of games, But you're going
to a bad team, and even really good wide receivers
on bad teams put up phenomenal stats because they're trailing
all the time. Right, So he's got a chance to
put up twice as many stats as he would have.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Here, what do you say? Had forty one receptions, three touchdowns,
four and seventy five yards eleven point six a catch.
Not bad. He only played in thirteen games, so there's
four games out remember the first game or two because
he came out of camp and he was the hottest
name in camp coming out for the big plays and
all the catches he made, and then I don't even

(07:57):
think he played much, if at all in that first
game or so, So really he threw up forty one
catches and probably actually what titler eleven maybe twelve actual
playing games where he actually got legitimate minute. So for
a rookie to get forty one catches for seventy five
and you're a seventh round pick, that's a hell of
a year. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, I'm looking at Mike our guy, Mike Cliss's projection
of the fifty three. I did have receiver Vailey on
my fifty three until he was traded and he thinks
that they will add a defensive player, a Wazarika or Jackson,
that sort of thing.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
I was in kind of a different mindset.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I thought they would be looking for kind of like
a Nate Adkins Barton sort of fill in until those
guys get healthy. So maybe not a guy that's going
to be around too long, but kind of a low
risk sort of thing. What do you guys think is
going to be the trickle down impact of this decision?

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Ah, trickle down? Don't? Oh man? I mean, I guess,
like we don't know what they're gonna get in return
for that fourth rounder next year. And I've seen a
lot of people, not a lot, I think the far majority.
You're looking at this like it's a great trade. But
I've seen a few people online that are saying, Hey,
you're not gonna get a wide receiver like Davon Vele
in the fourth round next year. Well, you're probably right,
but you might get a starter in a different position

(09:19):
and at a position of need. In terms of the
trickle down effect this year. This year, well, it immediately
opens the door for Troy Franklin to be your number
two wide receiver. Okay, played and simple.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yep, here's where I was going with this, and I
get your thanking. Tyler kind of maybe swayed me by
always saying that you're going to do your full back anyway,
might be on the roster the first week like you
won't last year, so you don't have to pay him.
And he's back and forth, So how important if you
If you're going to do that to a guy that
you like, why get another guy? I'll tell you another

(09:52):
guy that's flashed for me though, that now you've opened
a spot that maybe you don't have to slip him
into the practice squad. He can play special teams, which
I think that that guy that was a swing guy,
right Tyler, from practice squad to now making the fifty
three probably better be able to play some special teams.

(10:13):
I'm going with Jordan Turner. I think he's been fantastic
in this camp and I'm not sure he was going
to be on that fifty three. And they've listen, they
got some injuries in the inside linebacker position.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Okay, that's a fair call. Do you think this cements them?
Taking four running backs onto the fifty three.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Certainly makes it easier, makes it way easier.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, yesterday leg he had had six receivers and four
running backs yesterday before the trade.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
So that right, good news for Bidet and probably McLoughlin.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Right, I think I think, and I don't want you
guys think, but I think you think like me. Sean
Payton likes his peoples, right, and we know he likes Bedet,
but I think he likes McLoughlin. Two. So now you
get to keep two guys that are a little bit
different running backs that you can that you can slide

(11:08):
in there and keep with the two guys that's that
are probably gonna get the significant a majority of the
of the carries.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, I mean it, it feels like it it clears
up the path for that and it makes it really
simple if you just want to go the traditional route
twenty five on offense, twenty five on defense, and then
your three special teamers, then it evens it out. Right,
It's not always even though it's not always twenty five
twenty five, oftentimes it could be twenty three, twenty six,

(11:35):
twenty four, or twenty four to twenty six, twenty three,
twenty seven. Right, there's there's a lot of different ways
you could go about this. It feels to me like
Sean Payton's got the biggest like confliction in that running
back room.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
And so why not just simplify it? How so meaning
we're gonna carry out four Oh okay, yeah, I agree,
I see whatever, Like like.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'm not gonna make a decision.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't make decisions, So why bother right, We'll let
it sort itself out as the season goes. Yeah, because
the last thing you want to do is well, would
Julia McLoughlin end up on somebody else's team? Would you
make the fifty? So you got to sort of live
with that, Listen. I don't think they made a bad
move with what they did with Tim Patrick. There are

(12:19):
definitely moments last year of like, oh man, yeah, you know,
he's doing pretty good there for the Lions, and you
know what, Bailey may do real good for the Saints,
and I hope he does.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
But you know, it's not an issue.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Let me say something I said with Andy last night
and our little pod and by the way it did
our pod by pulling off on the side.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
I hope you were safe. Yes, that looked a little dangerous.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
It is a little freaky watching in the mirror and
seeing cars.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Where did you pull over?

Speaker 5 (12:45):
What part of it.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Would be west of Veil, Oh, a little bit west of.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Vail, before Avon or after Avon.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Right, it was right around Avon, Yeah, Amon was I
saw the Amon Science, so it was maybe just a
little past Avon. Okay, all right, yeah, So but here's
why I said here, and here's what we always get
caught up and we've been doing doing football talk, and
I told him it was always kind of fun, probably
not for the players, but you guys remember the days

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when they carried eighty five in practice, and then you know,
ten days in you'd cut down to seventy three, and
then and then another seven days you'd have to cut
down to sixty three, and then finally after the last
game between that Sunday and the following Tuesday, year down
to fifty three. Right, And it was always kind of fun,
you speaking Lane, who they're gonna do. Sometimes you'd cut

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a veteran early to see if he could catch on
with somebody, or sometimes you'd hide somebody. You'd cut them
early so maybe they could sneak through. But I said this, man,
if you're the team you think you are, and you
put guys out there and you're gonna release them, they
didn't make your fifty three and they get picked up,
So what good for them? You didn't want him? Yeah,

(14:01):
I mean they weren't forty four and forty two, they
weren't number thirty six on you. They were fifty five
fifty eight six and they get picked up. So what
I mean? I agree you didn't, but we stressed we
got to be able to hide this guy. Why if
you want him so bad, just put him on the roster.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
You can do that and listen if you're not gonna
play him much or possibly cut him, and you can
get value. To me, that's an A plus. So I
give this vlea deal. I give it an a plus.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
I really do.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think he didn't have the camp that he was
was had last year. I don't think he was going
to be used like he was last year. I give
it an a plus. I think it's great. I think
they were possibly gonna get rid of him anyways. It
was going to be a tough cut for him, and
I doubt he would have made it on a practice squad.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
I think he would have got stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
George Peyton loves what picks Yep, Well you just got
you just got two picks for your seventh round wide
receiver graded.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Oh yeah, I agree with you. I don't know how
anybody could disagree with it based off the value that
you got back.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Plus, great deal, Scott, you feel the same.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I would say, hey, and now trade Audric Estimate for
for somebody on.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Who Okay, can you we'll get to that.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
We'll get.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Golf course. He's day drinking.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Here's where you two are idiots. We just got a
fourth and a seventh for a seventh round pick. If
anybody's going to do something stupid for Sean then then
maybe Odrick Estwick sure have tasted me Hill And oh,
by the way, here's a sixth rounder to go with you.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
Hey, this guy.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
The difference is Dyle wasn't getting bench during a playoff
game like Estimate.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
I mean there was there was some Listen.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Hey, if you can go for it, sure, and maybe
we can go through some other players that they're likely
to not utilize move on from if there's more value,
and if there's more value out there, go for it.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
That'd be great.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
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It's actually l Itch commonly the itch.

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(17:12):
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Speaker 5 (17:16):
It's actually kind of funny.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
We're already there.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
We're already there.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
And the Spirit of Halloween there's there's not a lot
of silencing between the management office. They have the fancy
offices and and the spirit of Halloween, so they get
to hear Halloween music NonStop while they're working away figuring
out being a masters of the universe.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Really, so they're playing music outside.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh no, no, no, no, the the Halloween music.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
No, he's saying from his office, Kevin's that he can
hear the music.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's not just Kevin's. It is everybody on that side.
It is, mister Sean, it is it is everybody there.
Have you not heard how loud the Halloween music is
on that side of the bill.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I don't go to that side of the building ever.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
It's pretty funny you go to that side of the building.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
No that that you know for this side of the building.
You only go that side of the building to kiss up.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Well, it's uh, it's annoying the heck out of them.
So I think it's pretty amusing. And Halloween spirit is here.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
So I don't know what things. One one that that's
that's too bad to hear from them. Uh. Two, Wow,
they're in the office.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
It's combo mill. Guys.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yesterday we talked and we're very sympathetic towards Austin Gomber
and the Rockies just said forget it and they cut him.
So we went like, hey, put your arm around him,
be a good teammate, do this rehab blah blah blah
blah bum and the Rockies just said, nah, he ain't
helping us win. We don't care what our record is.

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We don't care that we're paying them more than six million,
which they are. This ain't working out, You're gone. What
do you think about that decision by the Rockies?

Speaker 4 (18:57):
I mean, I get it. It's uh, it makes plenty
of sense to me. What was the correlated roster booth?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (19:07):
I I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, i'd be curious what it was who. I would
assume it's gonna be another picture, obviously, and i'd be
curious who they bring in if it's if it's a
decent looking prospect or something. I said, put your arm
around him, because the season's toasted at this point. I
do think that humanity matters a little bit. But I
also get it, man, it's a business when when you've
got an employee that is not producing, you find a

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better employee. And yeah, it's tough, tough living.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Well, we said yesterday Darren, Right, there's there's two ways
you approach it. Either approach it as Tyler just said, that
that humanistic side, and you try to, you know, see
if you can get him some help. You have a
lot of conversations, you see if you can build some
leadership from the young guys, and even though he's a
thirty plus year old picture, that maybe young guys can

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kind of get him up there and boost him a
little bit, and you really chance to try to grow
him and grow your organization eternally. Or it's the business
side you ain't produced and see you later, and that
may end up being the best thing they could possibly do,
or it could be very short sighted. You've only got
what two weeks or eight weeks of the season left,

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seven weeks of the season left, good chance, as Tyler
just said, maybe to get somebody younger up in there
to get five or six starts. But there was two
ways they can go. They can go to the very
humanistic side and see if they can they can do
something to touch him that not only heals him from
from what his woes are now as a picture, but
maybe going forward as a human because if he's this

(20:43):
broke now as a pitcher, Tyler, he's gonna carry that
over intoto what he does next, and you could have
worked on that or guess what, you're a business, you
ain't perform and see you later.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well, what has been the biggest criticism about the Rockies
in the past, the number one criticism, Scott, what's the
number one criticians?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
You think? Well, I think what you're reaching for is
that they're too loyal.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, that's what I've been by status quo.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Hm. But I don't know if they're necessarily too loyal
to players. I mean when they got weird A Wampierre,
they they only traded him, moved and then they kicked
him and bashed him all the way out the door.
That that not speaks of loyalty. I think their loyalty
belongs in the front office primarily.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yeah, it's it's it's a status quo vision for the
last twenty years that hasn't changed.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
They've been accused of not wanting or willing to win
and not doing what it takes to win status coo quote, fine, whatever,
but it's about staying pat The one move that this
shows if you can't help us win, even at this
stage of our season, even as bad as we're doing.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
We're making changes to win.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
This is not some sort of sympathy thing, and they
are trying to win even at this stage.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Of the season.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
They have let go of older players that just aren't
mattering anymore to develop younger players. Another thing that they
people have said they need to do, well, they've done it.
They let go of Losinola, older catcher, Jacob Stallings, Tyler Kinley,
Jake Bird, Ryan McMahon.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
They've moved on.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
There's only so much you can do with the Chris
Bryant contract, and they're playing younger players and they're winning.
Did you guys catch what happened yesterday? Did you watch
you know them?

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Shell show?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Otani?

Speaker 4 (22:34):
No, Scott No.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Last time I checked in, they were down two nothing
or up to one two.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Last night they weren't. They were five nothing on show Hey.
And the fourth inning, and he gave up five straight
hits and six hits overall. He had never given up
five hits in an inning, five straight hits. He had
never given up six total hits in an inning. Never's happened.
Hasn't lost the game in two years. And the Arcia

(23:01):
drilled the ball up the middle off his thigh that
basically knocked him out of the game. He stayed in
and got two holes. He took one more bat, it
took a walk, but he came out. He was pinched
for late in the game. Not only did the Rockies
shell show, hey, but they they did give up a run,
but grew the lead. They gave up a couple of
you know, meaningless runs in the ninth inning. But they
won that game against the Dodgers easy yesterday, easy, eight

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to three, never trailing.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
And now the game in this series?

Speaker 5 (23:28):
What's that say that?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Again? Is there another game in this series? There is?

Speaker 5 (23:31):
They go in about a half hour or so for
the fourth game of this series.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
But they can win a series against the Dodgers and
a team kind of in here. They hadn't won in
ten ten straight games. That's pretty cool, correct?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
So at what point do people anybody start giving the
Rockies credit for doing the right things? And when is
this not just a fluke but this is something significant?

Speaker 4 (23:54):
I mean, I'm definitely operated under them moo that this
is a this is a brach, this is fools goal.
And we got a whole lot of evidence this year
to say that the bigger picture of this team is
way contrary to what's happened last week or two. So
you know, it's been a good week, and I'll definitely
acknowledge that that's cool. The week before they lost eight
straight games. Which team are they? Are they Jecko or

(24:18):
they hide? I don't know. It was just week ago
to the lost eight straight games, So I guess yeah,
I'm not gonna get caught up in the emotion of
a temporary successful run here.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, there's seven and three in their last ten. They're
one of only four teams in Major League Baseball that
has that record within the last ten games. Yeah, they
went through a losing streak, but they didn't lose seventeen straight.
They did lose eight straight again, but since then they've
been playing as good as any team in Major League
Baseball while playing really tough competition.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
That's why you can't you can't make a determination until
coming out of spring training next year and how does
your May and June go. That's when you know you
let look there, because listen, there's a lot of good
teams that are gonna go deep in the playoffs that
are right now resting guys and getting things going, and
let's get things right they've they've taken some time off. Okay,

(25:13):
here we go. So I'm not and I will say this,
they didn't tow in the towel. I'm happy for that.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
You feel like a criminal defense attorney to be that
just got served with with five thousand boxes of evidence
against their client that is stacked from the floor to
the ceiling, wall to wall, on all four walls, and
you're digging through these five thousand boxes to find ten
pieces of paper and the one hundred million pieces of

(25:41):
paper that is going to support your client. What I've
got five thousand boxes that is telling me this dude
is guilty of being bad, right, And that's that's that's
what this whole thing feels like to me. So when
I've got a mountaintop of evidence that says that the
status quo of this organization ain't good, I ain't gonna
get caught up in the fool's gold of a tempt.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
It's interesting when people ask for change and demand something,
but then when things do change, they don't sort of say, Okay,
thank you, that's good, that's what we wanted.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Now.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Everybody just simply says sell the team, fire everybody.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
No. But the things that we really want to change.
We want to do We want a new We don't
want billsh Bett. We want a new scouty department. We
want all these things that are way above Lord Schaeffer
to change.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, the most significant change is Walker Montfort has you know,
he's in charge of the team now and since that
has happened, now it's weird because he is a Montfort,
but that's a pretty significant change the president of the team. Granted,
you know, the head Monford is still there, but that
is a significant change. And no, Bill Schmidt hasn't been fired.

(26:48):
But a lot of their young guys are hitting and
literally hitting and hitting is in terms of players. They're
the second youngest team in the league and they have
the second hardest schedule.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Am I nuts or at the end of the year
every year? Do we not have this little same mirage?
It sure feels like that to me.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
No, And it's different in September than it is in
August and August teams are still trying to get there.
In September, some teams fold their tenth it's August twenty first.
I mean, well, that's right. They have not had the
call up. Shit, they haven't expanded their rosters. There are
a lot of teams like the Cardinals, who are six
games out of a playoff spot in August. That's still
in play in September. It's not in September. It's over.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Oh I know. Is it feels like every year we've
got some little run right at the end that you're like, hey,
it's gonna be okay because we had a little bit
of success here, So close your eyes to everything else
that happened this year.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Well, in all honesty, they've had bad seasons. Obviously, back
to back one hundred lost seasons are bad. But they've
never ever been historically trending towards the worst team since
nineteen oh one. And that was the case before the
All Star Game. They picked up their thirty seventh winn.
And I know it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Sound like much, Well, it just sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Are the They were projected to only win thirty six
games at the All Star break.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
That's where they were trending towards. The concept of me
doing the little march or whatever. Now that's out the window.
I mean, how do they not win five more games?
But that was that was unbelievably realistic going into the
All Star Break, especially after they lost eight straight.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Listen, man, dude, you'd given it up at one time,
and well, maybe I'll just do the walk now.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
There's no doubt about it because I didn't see any
I didn't see any spirit, I didn't see any drive,
I didn't see any motivation. I am amazed at what
has happened with this team in a relatively short period
of time.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
But it does not get easy.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
They've got a series where they're playing like the Padres
Dodgers Padres like that is all still to come.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
It could still.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Believe me, there could be another eight game losing streak
in their future. All I'm pointing out is right now,
what is going on right now is pretty remarkable.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
And they are.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Doing the things aside from selling the team and firing everybody.
Aside from that, they literally guys are doing the things
that everybody wanted them to do. Aside from selling the
team and firing everybody. They wanted to play young players,
they wanted to move on from older guys, they wanted
to play with more fire and more passion and all that,
and and they are doing it. So I'm I mean,

(29:09):
hats off as far as I'm concerned and that came
last night was remarkable to watch. And I really did
think because Gomber was part of the Nolan Arnado train,
they're paying them six million guys. I really did think
they were just gonna hold on to them. I really did,
instead of just sort of saying, Okay, fine, this isn't
working out, Let's move on. Because only teams like the
Avalanche do that. Only teams that put winning ahead of

(29:32):
everything else do that. And that's exactly what the Avalanche did,
and maybe Scott's The Nuggets were a little, I don't know,
too emotional with some of their things, and they didn't
move on from some guys they probably should have. But
the Rockies are doing what winning teams do right now,
and it's tough with me. So the Athletics they are
I don't I've not cut up with the Athletics.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
What are they up to?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Seven to three? Last ten?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
There you go, but your kids, any Royals are right
up there, my friend, right along with.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
The Yankees seven to three. Yankees are eighting two.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, there's four teams in baseball in the last ten
games that are seven to three and better. The Rockies, Athletics, Royals,
and the Yankees.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
You know what the real lesson here, Tigers. Tigers are
eighting to also.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
You know what the real lesson is here? Boys. They
always tell men to talk about your feelings. This is
why you don't talk about your feelings.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
That is a great point.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
How much do you think his meltdown and being on
has cost him? Well?

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Is John?

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Do you think so? More so than what he was
doing on the mound?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
No?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
I mean the mound was I mean that was that
was the really starting point. That's the starting point. But
you you hung with them a long time, Yeah, the
whole season up till now. You hadn't had any success,
like none, zero, And then the guy comes out and
publicly admits some things and you're like, Okay, well, I
guess that's nicely on top. We're done. Wow.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
I had not thought of that. So if he had come.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Out, everybody wants ben to talk about their feelings till
they talk about their feelings.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
So is that a lesson for athletes right there?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
I think you gotta be care careful unless you've got
some zeros guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's a really interesting thought. Did he cost himself right
there saying it?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I mean? Kevin Love wrote that big article and the
players whatever. Remember when Kevin Love wrote that article two
or three seasons ago, but he still had a couple
of years guaranteed left on his deal.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Does voicing self doubt?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
As an athlete, we're in society that is considered a
strength and a brave thing to do. But as an athlete,
is it a sign of weakness?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I mean, it's a sign of honesty. But but I'm
telling you management and ownership teams look at as a
sign of weakness.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree with that entirely.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Is that a right thing or a wrong thing for
teams to do?

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Are you gonna run it like a business or you
run it like a family?

Speaker 5 (31:58):
You tell me how should it be run?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Well, I guess if we're saying, hey, why don't they
run this like a business, And if the business model
doesn't change, change that business model and the time they
deal with the business, what are you gonna say bad
about it? They ran it like a business. This guy's
this guy's been owing seven this year. He's self admitting
he ain't playing a good he don't know what to
do next. Boom gone see you. And here's where I'll

(32:24):
roll my eyes. Another ways to train, by the way, and.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
I agree with that. Okay, what's their responsibility to win
ball games? That's their responsibility. But here's where I'm gonna
roll my eyes at the organization that you were so
desperate to defend and convince us that he is doing
all the right things right now. You had about top
of evidence on Congbero already, you needed to hear him
come out and say it. And now you're like, oh, okay,
now we're gonna move on. If you were all about winning,

(32:48):
why did you follow the evidence for the entire year
that the dude has had zero success? So now you're
just gonna bury the dude once he's actually come out
and publicly talked about some of these things. Well, how
about you do your freaking job and you acknowledge you've
got a player that ain't any good and you cut
him before it gets to this point. So yeah, that's
where it bothers me that I agree Scott, it is

(33:10):
a business. They need to win games, but instead they
took the cowards way out.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
I can't argue with them, well said.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I'm waiting for them to listen. They need to cut
bait on Chris Bryant.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, I think they bless him as soon as they can.
I think they will as soon as that makes it.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Two years left.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
I mean, you say as soon as they can. What's
not they can do it in whenever they want.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
What's the difference with paying the Cardinals fifty million for
Aaron Ono as opposed to just giving Chris Brian fifty
four million over the next two years.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, that's a great I don't know, that's a great question.
I'd have to have a baseball guy on to know
the complexities of his contract.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
He's not available to him, he's not playing with him.
I mean he's not with them now. But I get it.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
He should never play for the organization again. For sure.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
He should be gone, no doubt about it. I just
don't know all the ramifications. I don't know if it's
the same name is Russell Wilson Where you have to
carry a certain amount of money and it hurts you
there and hurt you there and what you gotta do
and all that sort of stuff. I give him credit for.
I know what you're saying, Tyler, You're right. Comer had
been awful, Like, why did it take this. It doesn't
look great that you cut him after he was honest

(34:16):
and open, like, I mean, you could have done that.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
I did your job and evaluate whether the dude baseball
or not.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I'm extremely curious behind the scenes what kind of impact
that had him being saying what he did. I'm sure
he didn't help him. I think it is a lesson
for athletes. Keep it to yourself. Man, when it comes
to self doubt. Seriously, you do not help yourself blabbing
the people out loud about it.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Unfortunately, had he not, what would what would our take
be righting out today? Had he not gone public and
said he's got self doubt and just didn't speak to
the media after the thing, or it was very generic whatever.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I doubt we had to talk about it all and.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
He was still released. We would just we we still say, hey,
Gomery's over the when they released he probably probably the
right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Right, absolutely, and I doubt we would have even talked
about it. We were just been like, how the Rockies
suck last night, look at that, you know whatever, same as,
same same as, same as you know. It only became
more compelling because he did something most athletes never do,
which maybe he shouldn't have done in the first place,
I guess. But maybe he's done, guys, maybe that's it.
Maybe I don't know. I don't know as an athlete

(35:25):
how you come back from it. Who knows, he's thirty
two years old. Maybe that's a rap.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
They had a good career overall, made a lot of money,
and I don't know, but the Rockies moving on and
to see them beat Shohy was remarkable, so we'll see
how it goes for them.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Later on, we.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Got some Michael Porter Junior with Johnny Manzell all right,
Apparently he spilled the beans on being traded in his
conversation with Jokich about it.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
We'll hear it coming up next.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I gotta be honest, I haven't really watched the Johnny
Manzel podcast, but did you.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
See a Tyler quite a bit of it. I've never
watched like an entire episode, but I follow him on
TikTok and I see all his clips that he puts out.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
How good is it?

Speaker 4 (36:14):
I think it's interesting. I mean again, I don't know
what a start to finish episode would sound like, but
they put out compelling content.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I was told, and we're kind of looking for it
during the breaks that Serbia is playing Slovenia. I guess
right now, so that would be Jokic against Luca, which
is in Blaco on over there. I assume Blacko's on
the team with Luca. But Scott, you you're not tuned

(36:46):
into that, are you?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
You gots? Uh? No, I have not been, but I
might look into it.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, it's it's good. We're still trying to just find it. Yeah,
we got some sort of way to get it. But
that might be kind of fun to keep track of
this afternoon, to see how the big fellas doing against
muscled up Luca.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
See how Luca's actually looking.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Are you glad that the joker's playing on this thing?

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Good question particularly, I mean, I guess keep in shape
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Why why are you Scott?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Because just Tyler said, I think any type of little conditioning,
anytime you can, you can work the mind. It's not
just the body. See if Tyler grees with this from football,
because I think sports are all the same. It's just
the X and o's and some of the fundamentals obviously different,
but the mentality I don't think there's a whole lot different,
not only when you come back for training camp, Tyler, Right,

(37:37):
when you're playing, not only do you gotta get the
physical back right, you gotta get the fil but there's
a mental take you got to have going too. Yeah
right there, I mean football. I mean, I know everybody thinks, oh,
offic you lying with big dummies just running to each
other and blah blah blah. Yeah, okay, you haven't met
a lot of you ain't met Ben Hamilton and some
of these other dudes are like doctors and engineers and

(37:58):
things like this. It's a cerebral game basketball with great players.
And you can name a list, and Darren, you name
the list yesday of all the great players you've seen
play live. Every guy you mentioned was cerebral. So not
only could Joker get him down the field, I'm a
court and I'm glad he can do that. You know,

(38:19):
get that big old body condition to run a little
bit and get in shape, but man, your mind's got
to get right too, and you got to have your
mind right to be great. And I'm I let him play.
I'm glad he's playing.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Oh, Dan's got it. You figured it out, Dan, Oh
YouTube and so on. YouTube, very nice.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
So we could do a little sort of updates on this. Oh,
it's a friendly game, so it really hasn't got going yet.
Huh so this is just for fun. Uh serbian's smoking
Slovenia sixty two to thirty four and uh yeah, there's
the the what is that coach's name? Scott's you know,
the serbian guy he is he's been doing that forever.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Something very well said. So well, all right, the very
nice man.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
That's cool, something with very few vowels.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Wait a second, is Luca out there?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Maybe not?

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Maybe nobody's out there.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
He got hurt right right there.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Cow.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
Wow, he looks way different. Oh my god, he looks
like a different guy.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Great defense going on. Holy cow, these guys are trying.
This looks like an All star game.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
That is a significant physical difference with Luca right there.
You can tell, man, he's like borderline skinny. All right,
well that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Should help us quickness.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Here is Michael Porter Junior. Does not look who's that
out there? I didn't even see him.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah he's out there.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
He's out there, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, that looks about three hundred
oh dearly.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Now, as I was saying, are you glad he's playing.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Uh maybe yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Out that's a big old boy right there. That's a
big old bear. Oh dear, that might be the fattest
I've ever seen him. Oh he's that's the fastest you've
ever seen him.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
He's pretty big.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Okay, Well he's got time, right, we got two months.
We've got a couple of months. Okay, I know, yeah, yeah, okay,
but he's he's our guy.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I mean, you know, you.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Know safe, you've been through this routine. D back what
what what? What's relatively safe weight loss in a month?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
In a month, somebody like Yoki drop thirty to forty
in two months in all honesty, Seriously, he could he
could really go in that range, which is pretty wild,
you know. So, but I I hear what disciplined it's
it's you know it does Yeah, ain't no doubt about that.
But you know he can still do that. You know

(41:03):
he can still hit floaters and stuff. Scott, I don't know,
you can't if you can see it, it's actually well
it's hard to see you. Well, we'll keep tabs on it.
We'll keep tabs on it. It gets our attention. Anyways, here's
MPJ with Johnny Manziel.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
It was tough saying goodbye to my teammates that especially
you know, Jamal and Aaron, the guys that have been
there for a long time. They just all kind of
texted in the group chat, and the only thing Nicola
said was wrap it up out there, and that's to
make sure you work. He said, make sure you wear
condom out there. That's all he said. That's that was
his message. That was his goodbye to me. Those are
my guys, has been my family. But it's the nature

(41:39):
of the sport and we're gonna stay in tight. Michael's awkward.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
That is an awkward dude. He is just that's the
only way I know how to put it.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
He is awkward advice, especially after last after the last
thing we said, and he said, but his his weakness
was babe, babe. Nicola knew a little bit about that weakness, right,
I mean, than those two things tie into each other.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Sure, yeah, I mean it was just the last episode
that he's like, yeah, I'm not gonna do the sex
thing anymore. I don't want to do that.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Okay. My advice is to wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well, good advice, I guess if you're addiction to women,
as he admitted to are.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
We are we saying the women out there are a
little bit more dirty?

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Is that what saying?

Speaker 5 (42:26):
No idea what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I have no idea what yokics things of the women
from the Tri State area.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Who knows?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Why does he do that? Why does he do that?

Speaker 5 (42:38):
Do Michael Porter?

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Tell me?

Speaker 4 (42:42):
I don't know. I mean I said this last time.
This is why he probably shouldn't have a podcast.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
It's not like he's doing anything wrong. I mean, I'm
not trying to make himb out to be a bad dude.
He's not doing anything wrong. It just he's awkward and
he says awkward things that you don't need to say.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Scott got any inside out It.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Kind of throwing yok under the bus a little bit
too well.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
I think it's set as lighthearted.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Of course it was.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
A little lighthearted, but they're probably some truth and the
joke joker usually he busts you there's some sort of
truth involved.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
That's all good joke.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
And again you just go to Michael's last podcast and
what he said to the world. Yeah, and it's and
you can find it and then all of a sudden,
the only thing jokers text me wrap it up out there.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
That's funny. I'll tell you this. He's not boring.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
It's gonna be fascinating following Michael Porter junior this year,
and it's not gonna have any deep impact on the Nuggets.
So I think we can root for him, and then
January twenty ninth, we'll roll around and he'll be in town.
Be kind of fun. Tyler, how's it going with your
prep for the Valor game tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Well, I'm excited for it for sure. I mean, look,
Valors loaded. They got dogs like you wouldn't believe. Offensive line.
They got like four dudes on that offensive line with
fifteen to twenty five offers. I mean, it's it's nuts.
They got probably seven or eight dudes going d one
off of that team. Talent galore. A lot of pressure
when you're the head coach of that organ, of that
of that school, right, you got to win when you

(44:11):
got talent like that.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
You made a decision on the beard yesterday.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
I did, I did. I trimmed that sucker up. I'm
staying high and tight at least for a little bit longer.
All right, All right, well, you I might go with
the winter beard.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
You and Nate are Nate Crekman with Rachel V. Hill
on the sidelines, are going to be on the radio
and TV. So it's a simulcast on both for tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
From what I understand, which.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
One do I dress for?

Speaker 5 (44:36):
I don't know how much you got dressed up for
high school football?

Speaker 3 (44:39):
What's what are?

Speaker 5 (44:40):
What are the requirements there?

Speaker 4 (44:42):
You still like you?

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Jacky is in an altitude and an altitude shirt.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
That would be nice.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
You got an altitude shirt?

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Nope, nobody's ever given me one of those.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, that would be you know, you know, maybe the
Halloween music is, you know, blocking people's thought process.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
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Speaker 4 (45:09):
How many do you have?

Speaker 5 (45:11):
I have zero?

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Okay, okay, zero? Feel better?

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Nothing?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Not a So I got a funny story too. I
got a funny story to tell you guys when you
when you think it's time, so let me know.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Well, we'll take a break, We'll come back with funny
story time and an update on Devon Vley's trade.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
It's PhD on ninety two five