8-25-25 Hour 1: Broncos preseason grades/reaction

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
A ton of stuff to get into you today. We
appreciate you being with us. Spectacular job, by the way,
with you and Nate and Rachel on the football game,
Thank you. That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
That was a lot of fun. Honestly, it was a blast.
Hill called the game. It was a crazy elements game.
But dude, I'm telling you for it made it better
to watch freaking a month soon. I don't even know
if it came across on TV the way that it was.
I don't know, maybe it did, but yeah, it was wild, dude,
but it was a lot of fun. I'd do more
of those. Those Those are fun.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You guys as a because you know, Altitude produces it
and you guys put all the work into it, and
h I mean, there were so many fun elements to it. It
was kind of ridiculous. And at the end the Valor
gave Rachel the San Antonio or the Oklahoma City treatment
by the whole team going over saw that, which was
a hoots and the weather was I'm telling I'll tell

(01:12):
you this. It's not for the greatest football, but bad
weather in a football game, well, it.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Made for really, it made for an extremely entertaining game
because there were there were so many miscues on the
snaps and everything. I was being kind on the broadcast,
but I'm not sure Pine Creek scores a point if
it weren't for the weather in the elements. But it
made for it. It was an adrenal impact game.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
It was great, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
The most exciting parts of the game were the punts
because just see if the dude and get the pun.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Offf I've said it a million times, it's easy to
coach special teams in the pros. Yeah, I don't even
know how you approach it. At the lower the level.
It goes like special teams like those things, and special
teams are hard. Yep, Snapping the ball is hard, Punting
is hard. Field goal kicking, it's all really really hard,
except when you get to the pro level because it's

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so hard to get there the first place.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Well, field goal it used to be.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
Field goal kicking in high school was almost like non
heard of, right right, and then yeah that was a kicker.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Though drilled the yard in the rain in the alebation would.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Have been good for thirty five yard a lefty kid.
It was really fun and I'm happy for our pal
uh Brock, Youward, who everybuddy's with, and his son got
in the action and coach. And nothing against Pine Creek,
you know, pine Creek I thought showed out and competed
well and it was a great broadcast. But I'm happy
for Sandford and all that sort of stuff. And you guys,
you guys did not have a bias broadcast. You guys

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kept it straight down the line. You were you were
right there with Pine Creek as well as Valorie, you know.
So it was really cool. It was awesome. And then
last night we got out there Altitude for the alumni game,
which was a who to watch on TV and fun
to see those guys go out. A huge crowd at
Magnus just to watch the old hockey.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Hockey, Magnus and hockey just fit. Yeah. Seen a d
game there. I have. It's unbelievable. I have, It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's I've been lucky enough to see my
kid play hockey there too. A lot, a lot, a
lot of parents have U has their own program, so
it's not unusual. It was the first event ever that
my kid played at where I could buy a beer
at a concession stand during the game.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Cup of course.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I mean, you know, we're gonna take advantage of it.
They're gonna make that available. But but it was a
great weekend for that. We'll get into the Shedur and
Shiloh Sanders stuff, uh in just a little bit, But first,
your thoughts on the Broncos game overall?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, you know, it's kind of a status quo for
the most part, right, I mean, you got you got
a good drive out of the Broncos offense, which which
was good. You got to finish on a solid.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Note, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Uh yeah, I mean he said he was gonna play
the guy's eight to ten snaps and he's like, now,
screw that, man, the boys staying out there until we
do something. First series was an outright disaster. And uh, overall,
I mean, the one thing we know about this team
is we got we got some depth, we got some backups.
I mean, undefeated in the preseason two years in a

(04:12):
row for whatever that means, which is nothing.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
But this time, I think in Broncos history, two years
in a row. I thought.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
I thought there or at least seven of them in
a row. I think is some sort of record. Okay,
I was listening to radio.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
I was driving back from Grand Jobs.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I understand you gotta win win under your belt as well.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Got one. I got two wins. So I'm listening on
the program. Not the first thing. The guy we had
on the show Friday. So I'm on Serious and I
can only get they have the Saints calling Serious.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh okay, Serious Radio.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
So I'm listening to that till I got on the
other side, well somewhere between Floyd Hill and and coming
coming down seventy almost Idaho Springs. I could get get
the local s I list all the way in is
I'm not ready to get off on the four seventy.
They're gonna post. Came hey, text us blah blah blah blah.

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So I pulled over and text Texans. I go, hey, legend,
you know that that's some innocuous question, like what do
these guys go through the next? Love you guys, Scooty,
and so he read the text. I was the first
Texter that was the first text on the broadcast.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
It was awesome and and I wrote back at the
end of I said a long.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Time list first time text her there you go.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, but no, what would I take in the game?
Horrible beginning? I went back when I got home, I
was able to watch it. Now you get to watch it,
you know, a little faster and everything, because I didn't
give a flip about what they did offensively, So I
was watched every single snap offensively.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Bad.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
First drive really not much better, I can drive. It
was the third one they scored on. They got a
field going the on the second one too, Yeah, field
go on the second, the touchdown the third well or
one of the drives. You got a great stupid penalty
by their linebacker that kept the drive alive.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
But nix.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I mean on the third drive, Nicks did go four
for four for seventy one yards. I mean it was
it was a good looking drive out.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
The one throw he went left and threw a riot
was his best throw he's had in camp.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
And and and you know, the Courtland Sutton connections real.
I mean, them boys are dialed in. They're they're they're
a well connected duo. I know at times you felt
like he forces it too much to Courtland, but uh,
I I'd say.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
I'd like to see more guys that involved offensively. Okay,
you also had to drop by your your freely new
free agent tied end earlier in that first drive too.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
You did have an ingrim.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yeah, so yeah, I'd like to see I would have
liked to have seen more guys in bowl Knicks's passing realm.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
But it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well for the preseason the Broncos, and I'm reading from
my guys Acts Stevens from DNVR. Offense number one, defense
number one, pass offense number two, run offense number three.
Pass thank you, Jared Stidham pass, I'll get there. Pass
defense number two, run defense number two. In terms of
quarterback raiding and statistics, Jared Stidham had the best stats

(07:24):
of any quarterback in the NFL in preseason and played
in two games.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
He crushed it. Second units crushed it. I thought Ellinger
looked Okay, it was pretty good in this game. Sure,
I'll let me throw this out there. If they keep
Ellinger or whatever they try to do with him two
years in a row, they may have the best third quarterback
maybe in the league. Right, I mean, as far as
I could give you something, but I am a little concerned.

(07:49):
I A'm gonna lie. We'll talk about we got two weeks,
but I am concerned on the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
To be honest with you, Well, I think it's fair.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
The running game is not materialized the entire preseason at
all at all. I mean, you know, rodercast will be
actually looked okay.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Well yeah, yeah, he looked okay.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
But I'm referring to the starters and whether it's been
in practice and training camp or in the games themselves. Yeah,
we got a lot of room for growth in the
in the running game.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
R J.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Harvey again way out ran his landmark on one of
the outside zones. He tried to cut it back, but
it was just too little, too late. It's just little nuances,
you know. But he don't have that figured out right now.
But the one thing that we have not seen is
our starting running back with our starting offensive life at all.
And and so we have not seen JK. Dobbins. So
we don't know exactly what this running game is gonna

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look like because we're basing it off of a rookie
that's never played football before.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
It was funny that Sean backed himself. John Payton backed
himself into a little bit of a corner with the
you know, little eight snaps or so. He really didn't
need to do that. He could have just said, well,
we'll see how it goes with our first team and
that's that. But you know, you do that, and of
course everybody's you know, counting up like what you're gonna do,
and I think everybody collectively out there was like, you
gotta send those guys out for a third series number out. Yeah,

(09:10):
you don't help yourself. You could just say, we'll see
how it goes for the first seamers. That's all you
have to say. But whatever, it's a small point, and uh,
you know, Sean was like it's not etched in concrete,
you know, when asked about it, and he gets angry.
He gets angry when like his own words, right, just
be better, Sean, Like it's no big deal. Like the
way the game win, it was a no brainer that

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they send the first teamers back out right, and you know,
even they got helped by like a penalty or that
drive might have gone down the tubes. But you know,
things go your way, you make some good plays and
you leave the preseason like but it would have felt
bad if they went three and out on that third
series and even a field goal would have felt like

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but they didn't, did they They got the touchdown, it
looked good, and bo May plays and then you know,
then you sort of realize, oh, yeah, a football game
is played beyond the first quarter. You know, sometimes football games,
you know, take a little bit more time to resolve themselves.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
But the problem is that you're absolute one hundred percent riot.
But all the resolving we've seen in preseason or with
the backup quarterbacks, backup offenses, yeah, that's the only thing
that you're like.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
That got it. But you got to see a drive
where they did what they should have done to beat
up on a team that they're much better than, which
they are. And you know, at the end of the day,
you look at the preseason. You can only do what's
in front of you. You know, they they they did
well in their joint practices, they won their games, they
scored touchdowns, they played great defense. I mean, I'm not

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sure what else you want. They didn't have many injuries.
I feel bad for Frank or Jilil and for Drew Sanders,
but other than that, I mean, if you were to
tell us when this all started, Hey, you're gonna lose
two guys. These are the two you're losing backups?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yep, yeah, no, dumb question.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Sam Ellinger better than any starting quarterback New Orleans has.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
He's that'd be a good competition, right, Actually, Spencer Ratler
was a lot better than I thought he was gonna be.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
But I liked him coming out of college.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be tough for him to
for them to not name Spencer Rattlers.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
They're starting QB.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay, and then you look at Aidan O'Connell getting hurt
there with the charge with the Raiders. Yep, yep, and
then you see I think they could get trade value
for Sam Ellinger. Alright, let me no, you're nuts. Okay,
who would you rather have Sam Ellinger or Shader Sanders

(11:40):
for what? Back up for the Raiders?

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
For the Raiders, well, they've already announced that they're looking
for a backup with a lot of experience. Pet Carroll
made that very very clear. That takes out of the bicks.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, So sam Ellender would would be the guy there.
He's got four years of playing in the NFL M
So you're gonna get trade value for Sam Ellinger.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
If you're the Broncos, you know, unless times have really changed,
if you're an AFC West team, do you make any change?

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I mean a do you.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Want to help the Raiders if that would help the Raiders?
And be if you're the Raiders, do you want to
give them any one of your trade?

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I don't think so. I mean, traditionally speaking, you're you're
not doing the true right. Honestly, it's not worth a
seventh rounder that you'd get in return to give them
a backup quarterback. It's it's not worth that for the Broncos.
I mean, listen to answer your question, would I explore
a Sam Allanger trade? Sure, of course I would explore it.
I mean this, You've You've got twenty four hours here
to call teams and try to trade guys. Now, I

(12:37):
find it very unlikely that Sam's got any trade value,
but yeah, sure, get.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
On the phone in try I'm just thinking of others.
I don't know what other veteran and how desk experienced
quarterback they're looking for there with the Raiders. I mean,
are they trying to swing a deal for like Teddy
Bridgewater or.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Something like able? I don't know. Is he yeah, I
thought they're cutting this.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
They cut them. Boy, I can't wait to dig into it.
We will coming up here in a second. But you
gotta be kidding me with how dumb they are the
Cleveland Browns. Could could it get more dumber than the
Cleveland Browns?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
I think Stefanska, I don't hate him as a coach,
but boy, I think he's either feeling pressure or just
it's so stuck in his way.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
He's just makes he's dumb, all right.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I like him as as a coach to the organization
is a mess.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Let's take a break then, and let's get into it
because it's, uh, it's something else. Plus, we'll hear more
from Sean Payton and will follow the cuts as they come.
I don't know if there's gonna be any big surprises,
but we're here for it. It's PhD on ninety two five.
Thank you, Scott. On the text line, the shap ma
is the text line one price, one person, one hour.
You're being thanked for something non sports related that you

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suggested last week? Can you think what it was?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Be kind?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I don't know, no, I don't. I mean sure, it's
more of a more of a functional specific functional thing,
not esoteric, just really functional.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I don't remember. This is pretty vague.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
My wife was listening last week this weekend, she flipped
my T shirt pile and I have a new wardrobe.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
So I remember I was talking about that, right, help
it out on the little things. Well, I wore this
one last week and all kind of pop back on
the top because I didn't do it this last week.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
You know I thought of you this weekend. He's actually
I went to concert. I'd never go to concerts. I
was like, if I was Scott, I would have to
walk away with a T shirt right now. But I
walked away with zero birch. The concert was Chris Stapleton.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Killed it.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, dude, that dude count freaking whale. So get his wife.
His wife could whale too?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Is his wife someone of note or miss Stapleton? Okay?
We go to the Browns game. I'm watching it sort
of with the side eye and like, oh, what's going on?
I'm not really interested if Shadur is not playing, But
then they put him in and so I was like, oh, okay,
let's see. You know what this is? Boys? It was
Oh golly, it was not good, but it was a

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close game. And so there's two minutes to go, and
I'm like, oh, it's been bad, but what a great
opportunity right like two minutes ago. Let's see what he
can do. You need a field goal. Here we go
and they put in Snoop Huntley and you see Shader
walking up and down the sideline and then there's some
words exchange with Stefanski as coach and and I kind

(15:35):
of like, I'm like.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
What are they like he's mouthing off?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, kind of like yeah, it wasn't mouthing off, but
it was like, you know, like there were words, you know,
I don't you know. It was kind of like yo, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,
and uh. And then Snoop took this offense and that
wasn't really doing much and took him down the field.
They got a field goal and they won the game.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
So all right, But if you're a conspiracy theorist and
not played great, he was not good, but all of
a sudden, that's all you take is to get one
good drive and he goes down there and wins a
game like Huntley did. Then in all the fans.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
The most important stat is wins and losses. That's the
number one most important stat. Another really important stat is
what do you do when it matters most. You could
even make the argument BONNICKX had like a last shot,
you know what I mean, Like he wasn't gonna get
a fourth series, so when the pressure was on, he delivered.

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So I'm just like, oh, well, certainly they'll put Shaduraan
in the two minutes ago. And let's see what's Snoop
Hunley who they've cut.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Okay, they've got a they've got a weird.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Loyalty to stew Pupley though, and and all that was,
and I'm being dead serious, I can always guarantee you
what this was. It's a guy that they genuinely like.
It's a guy that's been in the building multiple times.
It's guy that they knew that they were going to cut,
and so they do that. They did the dude to
solid and they said, hey, we're gonna catch you up,
but we're gonna give you one last chance to put
some film out there. See if somebody else can pick
you up.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Wow, I mean that is awful generous. When you have
an opportunity to see what one of your drafted players
can do when the pressure is on, you're doing personal favors.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
But if you've already but if you've already made your
decision on the rotation, if you already know where sir
Sanders is, it's really not that big of a deal.
I now, no, no, Now. If there was an ongoing competition,
I agree, that would be very silly, that would be
very stupid. But if the competition's over, you already know
what the depth chart looks like. OK, then you're just
doing a guy solid on the way out the door,

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all right.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
And if you don't, if.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
You don't want some guy to uh upturn their overturned
the apple cart and all of a sudden he plays
crabby grabby, which we've seen at CU. And then all
of a sudden, last two minutes of a game, here
here comes. Yeah, you win the game, and then all
of a sudden, you know, and you already talked about too,
I mentioned it a long time ago. I mean, let
him come back and whin they game for him, the

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fans that ain't going to kill Let's just.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Be very very clear, Shadur Sanders is not getting sabotage.
He's not getting sabotage. He's playing with the threes, just
like Sam Eliger is playing with the threes. Okay, my
buddy Robert Griffin put out a video about how she
is play playing with the fifth and seven string tackles.
There's no such thing. For Robert, there's no such thing.
There's there's a third string. He's playing with the third string,
just like every other every other quarterback in the NFL

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is playing that is in his position. So you got
to go out there and and you got to make
it work.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Is it easy? No? Hell no.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Is it going to be easier for the guys in
front of you that have got better protection, darn right
it is. But welcome to the world being a fifth
round draft pick. It's not a sabotage. It's the reality
of the NFL, the guys that you were going to
play with. And you know, unfortunately for shaudor Uh, the
good showed up in the first game, and the bad
from the college film showed up in this game. And

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and that was a dude that drifted in the pocket.
It did not get the ball out on time.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
So you know, you know what the first game he
got to play with the starters, and this last game
he got to play with the CU teammates.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, well, you realize for four of the five offensive
linemen he played with were cut the next day, four
out of five.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
As as as it's going to be true for Sam Elger, Okay,
all right, I mean it's it's not.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I don't know what you're implying with that.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
I guess I think they're an idiotic organization. I think
they're whatever their plan is. And they've kept now four quarterbacks.
By the way, they kept all four.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, if you give a film because we haven't got
to cut.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Well, they have not cut any of the quarterbacks. I
think they I think it was like they cut made
all their other cuts, like they're down to what they
need to do. They kept all four so far. The
cut date is tomorrow two o'clock. They cut seventeen guys
and not one of them was a quarterback. So yes,
you have until tomorrow two o'clock mountain time to do that.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
That's not entirely shocking to me. It it felt like
they were going to do that all along. It's stupid,
it's it's entirely weight, it's it's wasting.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Even three and dinner this year stupid? So what is four?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I think he's one of the guys they cut. One
of the guys they cut was was Huntley. You gave
him the I guess you did him a solid.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
But if you're going to do him a solid, lea
him do so on the whole second half if you
really wanted to give him solid.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Concept the second concept of it. And I'm not saying
you're wrong, but the concept of giving guys a solid
when you're trying to figure out a roster, to me
is okay.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
But what if the roster has already decided, the competition's over.
You already know the you know the depth chart.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Sure. I think that's a dumb team that does dumb things.
That's my opinion on it. I think they're an idiot organization.
And uh, and I don't know if she sees the
field at all. A Shiloh, you know, threw a hit
a guy on the Patriots, the guy in the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Gating big giant tight end, you too small, And I
don't know if he tiny He gets.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
That tight end though, didn't he? That was really dumb?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
It was gonna be oh stupid. I think he'll probably
end up on a practice squad somewhere. I think, I think,
you know, because of his dad and his agent, he's
got enough pull to probably land somewhere for some part
of time that.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Don't seem on the sidelines helping his older brother out
with some film.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
It would not surprise me if Shiloh Sanders that's the
last time he ever steps on an NFL field. Wouldn't
shock me at all. But hey, you know, we'll see Shadur.
I have no idea where it's going with Shadur. I'll
just throw it out there. If they know the depth chart,
I'm just following the Yellow Brook road here. Then he's
four on the depth chart. Yeah, all right, he's four

(21:38):
and they're keeping four. Now what for Schadure?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Enjoyous season of not being dressed, a joy season of scouting?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Why would they keep four quarterbacks on the fifty three?
Has any team ever done that? Four on the fifty three?

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Not since they probably made the fifty three rule? Yeah,
I don't know, probably, but it's stupid.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
All right, here's Stefanski. If he was trying to sabotage.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
You know, I'm committed to his development, just like all
of our rookies.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
So we'll continue to focus on getting our guys better, and.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
That's what we'll say. Committed to him. That's what's important
to me.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
And sudure about confronting his coach.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
If I could go back.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
And do anything, I mean, it's always everything in life
if you had that chance. But we don't have the
lecture if we travel back in time. As a kid,
I want to go back.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
And do things differently.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
So overall, of course, you know you.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Wish you can.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
But in the battle of the moment, in the heat
of the battle, you know you want to be that
out you want to be that dog. You want to
be out there in that final two minute drive. So
you know, of course, of course small things, of course frustrate,
but that that's what happens, you know, when you want
a player.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
To be able to change the france around.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
All right, simple question, was he done wrong by not
being put out on the two minute drive? And is
he being done wrong? So two questions I suppose by
the Browns.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
In general, absolutely not I would you yes or no?
Because I agree with with what Tyler said a while ago.
Welcome to being a fifth round draft pick. Yep, you
got what you got But I do think Stefanski's stupid.
If you want to give a guy some table and
do something, then just put him out there for the
second half. If the roster's already made, let let Choudeur

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be the backup or whatever. However the thing rolled. And
because did did Gabriel play the first half?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah? He played pretty well? Yeah, so get Gabriel and
then Chadure is going to be the third.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Quarterback on the day, and let Huntley take the second
half and say, hey, here's a good film. I'll let
you do that. So don't don't let him play the
second half. That's oh, we want to give him the two.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Minute dry here.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Here's just we're talking about Saner Sanders like he deserves,
which which a lot of people feel like they deserve.
But we're talking about a fifth round draft pick, as
if he deserves the attention of a first or second
round draft pick. You're fifth round draft pick, dude. That's
the same thing that every other dude in the NFL
is going through. So you're not getting sabotaged now, I mean, listen,

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can we get down to the semantics of sabotage? Probably? Okay,
if we really want debate semantics here, like, are all
fifth rounders sabotaged? Are all fifth rounders fighting an uphill battle?
Are all undrafted free agents? Do they have an an
unfair opportunity to make the team? Okay, yeah, we can
probably get behind that. Yeah, it's insanely difficult for these

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guys because they're not going to be given the same opportunity.
But there's nothing different about what Shadur is going through
than what every other fifth round in sixth round and
seventh round dude is.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Going And I would even say this, Tyler, that I
think there's most fifth rounders would like to have the
opportunity he's got. Sure, you know, because I think he's
gotten more opportunity than the majority of fifth rounders. When
you say, well, he's gotten plenty of opportunities, no, so,
but again, don't don't give me the cut. Well, we
just will give Hundley a goodbye gift, then give him

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the second half. Stupid, you know, if you really wanted
to give him some game the second half.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
You know on the Shamasa text line, No and no
it's the NFL. He has shown he's a mediocre fifth
round quarterback. Well, he had a really good first game yep,
and then he was it wasn't good in the second game,
and he was playing with a lot of backups and
guys that were cut. But he you know, you can't
take twenty five yard losses. Come on, man, you gotta
plant your foot, you gotta step in the pocket, get
rid of the ball. All this stuff that you kind

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of got away with in college. It doesn't work in
the end.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
And that one that he took a twenty five yard
loss on to just step up in the pocket, step up,
I agree. I mean, you had plenty of space in
front of you.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
It is funny how like you can go through training
camp and you can be coached the right way, and
I'm sure he is, but boil boy, do you just
fall back on your bad halbit sometimes?

Speaker 7 (25:46):
Right?

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Like you just But that's that was the.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
One thing that everybody did knock on him anyway with
the sacks and stay in there.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
But again they had jogling.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
But I listen, he got to play with his old
c U line in that second half day. I mean,
that's who he was playing with. He didn't have a
lot of time, and he didn't do what he was
supposed to do a lot of times stow in the
park and.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Give her the ball.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yet as I see people say, well Huntley took him
that same group, which is true, and drove him down
for a field goal to win the game.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
And what's the difference.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
But we all know that a two minute drive always
looks different. Always why are they playing in pre event?
Why is it so easy? Why don't we go two
minute the whole game? Is not what the fan says
every single time. That yeah, I mean the casual fans
always like, hey, why are we in two minute offense
the whole game? Because they're going to play a different
type of defense. It's always different at than the game.

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It's easy to move the ball in a two minute drive.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I thought it was silly to play a guy that
you're gonna cut when you could still judge something. You
have moments to judge, and the game presented itself there
was something interesting to find out and you don't use it.
Stupid Stefanski. I doubt he wanted Shadure seriously, Well, it
doesn't make logical sense after drafting Gabriel and having Deshaun

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Watson in the wings and and pick it, and.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Who's the one that wanted.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
That is such a great question. Well, I what conspiracy theory?

Speaker 5 (27:08):
You believe the biggest story regarding Shader Sanders, for being honest,
didn't happen in the game.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
It happened with Friday after our show with Eric Dickerson.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yeah, you know that comments on some podcasts saying this
was the league saying don't draft and we got to
say an example.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, but that was also stupid because did you hear
the other part of that when Eric says that the
league called the Browns and they're like, hey, we need
you to draft Shador and they're like, oh, okay, yeah,
we're just gonna use the league called us, so we're
just gonna be like, okay, we're gonna use one of
our picks in selection.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
And that's stupidly. But then you just asked right before that,
well then who picked me?

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
And if I'm just going conspiracy theory, what favor.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
And no team doing a favor to the NFL, it'select
the dude. They don't want conspiracy?

Speaker 4 (27:53):
What favor?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Do the Browns get down the road for that move?
You tell me what break did they get on a stadium?
Did they get the draft?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Does Roger I mean, does Roger Goodell have that type
of pole with the bay or with the governors. Does
he have that type of pole to give him tax
to give them tax breaks, to give them sewage, to
give them whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
I mean, he can put Cleveland as the two years
from now they get the draft, they can they can
do things like this ultra conspiracy theory on this And
I'm not saying I'm buying it, even though I'm bringing
it up, But why in the world would they make
this decision with Shadur in the first place? When you
see that Huntley got to play why why did you

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take Shadur?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
My only real explanation on it is, and I've said
this before, we we already had three pentos of the driveway.
We're not in love with any of them. We're just
trying to get enough cars that one of these.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Things go to work.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Here's somebody Haslam wanted Shadur to sell jerseys. Haslm was
one of the guys to try to separate himself from
taking Shadur. Haslm was like, it wasn't my idea. They
didn't ask me about it. The drafting of Shadur Sanders
at that point really is one of the mysteries of
the world, because nobody seems with the Browns to be
all that excited about it. So there you go, Well.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Somebody wanted him, So I mean, we're we're acting like
nobody in the organization wants them.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Somebody wanted him.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Somebody wanted him. Somebody wanted him.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
I'd like to know, no another no question. If they
don't draft him there, where does he get drafted?

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I don't think he gets drafted. It didn't make sense
to draft him there. You're right within the fifth round picks.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
What do you get?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Nothing, hardly anything unless your organization, like Spencer Ratler with
New Orleans, you Derek Carr, you know, retires out of
you know, like, oh my god gets hurt and retired.
Then's done. I mean, all right, well, then lucky for
Spencer Ratler. But nobody drafts a quarterback in the fifth round,
like that's the plan right period.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
But there have been d line and old linemen that
have jumped up from the fifth round.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Are you kidding me? Loads The amount of great players
you can take in the fifth round is insane. That's
why the Broncos even a sixth round pick on this
punter is like Listen, we're giving a lot of praise
to the Broncos, deservedly so, but this one was like
what earth?

Speaker 4 (30:11):
What?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
What were you guys thinking on this one? And I
guess there's not gonna be any competition of punting for
the Broncos. I get I guess even though what do
you call them? Crush inc The Crosshank redemption will be
strong once the season starts. Of all the minor criticism
you could have of the Broncos, I suppose that one

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stands out, because right now it does not seem to
make There's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
About fifty punters you can choose and even bring two
of them in to compete.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Do you know how many punters were drafted this year?
One one you couldn't have waited until the draft was
over out.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
If you're gonna draft one punter, that guy's gotta make sure.
I mean, that guy's gotta be Ray Guy. I that's
gonna be that is a legendary Hall of Fame type dude.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
And that's why they're pumping this guy up, because they
and they are pumped them up. And where all of
us are, like you guys said it, in practice, we're
looking at the games like, huh, but you listen to
those guys, listen to the Broncos talk about I mean,
you'd think you'd think he is ray guy.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, listen, he's probably gonna be fine. We're probably way
overreacting watching watching practice, shanks and all that. But it
does not look great in practice, for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
No, I mean it didn't look great on his first
putt either. Well, what do you kick at thirty six
yards something like that? And then another one hit a ball?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
How hard could it be to kick at?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Denver agreed, So why are you right?

Speaker 4 (31:39):
All right?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Whatever it's that's such a small point. I don't want
to get bogged down into it. What's more interesting is
what they're gonna do with their cuts and who's likely
to go. So let's go over it, and we'll talk
about Otter Guestime and matthis and Lazar King and some
others to see if there's another position there looking out
there is PhD here on nine two five.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Overall, I think we gotta have a game pretty healthy.
There'll be a lot of good film for us to
look at, a lot of corrections. I'm sure good to
get another win, and uh, can we get into a
lot of the decision making that puts together the initial roster.
So I'm not going to answer questions about our roster.
I'm not gonna do it, all right, I'll answer the

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best I can about the game. I thought there was
some real positive things and then some other things that
weren't as positive.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
So any questions you guys got any questions for coach Peyton?

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Why'd you buzz your head?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
What'd you put your head? Would you say he.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Buzzed his hair?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
He did go load and he would really like he
buzzed it. Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
That's what's the meaning to be back? I know you're
a big hairy change changed.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Gary Kubiak was legendary right before training camp started to go, will.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Not miss a shot? To take a chance to take
a shot at Gary's die job?

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Will you dude?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
He he was, He was not one gray hair on
his head and it was cut low and ready to go.
I don't know what Sean, You know, we always joke
about Jokis sort of getting fresh cuts, but I don't
you know, Yokich is the one guy. I actually don't
think it means that much. Although he kept his like
goatee all last year. He did, like, you know, so
that was different. I asked you about that, Yeah, what

(33:20):
do you say?

Speaker 5 (33:21):
I said, I saw it in training game last year,
so I went, I said, I think mine's better. As
he goes, I said, are you going and goes, Oh,
I do not know. Maybe it's fun for now.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, but he did keep it the whole year, which
means you have to cut around it, so it is
a little intense.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
I know this.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Marlon and I used to chart it and whenever he
went that clean cut, yeah, low, pretty good, two blade,
one blade, whatever it was balling, he always had like
a thirty five point game right after fresh air cut,
fresh air cutting, fresh shave.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I don't know if it means anything for Sean. He's
just getting ready for the season. It's uh. He looks
good though he's a little frustrated by certain things, but
overall I thought it was a pretty you want a
great training camp for the Broncos and preseason it's a wrap.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
When are you wait for a hot take? Do you
want me to say my mons?

Speaker 5 (34:12):
In my opinion, Monster Hotech, after watching this preseason, Sean
Payton needs to give up the play calling. I would
make Davis Webb and I understand he's your quarterback coach.
But but and the one great offensive game they had,

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Davis Webb was calling the place. I'd give it to Davids,
I thought to somebody over the weekend. They said, Davis
Webb is a rising star. He said, if you want
to keep him here, you better make him the highest
paid position guy on the team by far. And another
way you can do that start giving him responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Well, real quick, sorry to interrupt Scott, but that that's
what I said last week was that next year, Seawn's
gonna have to make a really difficult decision. Am I
gonna stay loyal to my guy that has been with
me forever, Joe Lombardy? Or is it more important than
I retain Davis Webb? And I now give Davis Webb
Joe Lombarty's title of offensive coordinator and let.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Him really call plays. I mean, let him do the job.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Probably not. He's got it for Sean Payton to quit
calling place. Well, you might, you might want that, but
I ain't.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Gonna happen if Davis Webb.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
How about games have happened on the games he's calling plays?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Game well, Sean is notorious for being slow getting the
play calls in.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Come on, man, make Davis Web the play caller. And
I that's my biggest hot take. You want to win
twelve games, make Davis Web.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Your play caller.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's a good hot take. Sean, keep your job, that's
a good hot take.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Be a coach.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Coach to coaches, because I don't know if Sean takes
pride in anything more than calling the place.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Yeah, exactly, And that's why we won't have a running
game again this year, and that's why everything blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I think it's a bit reactionary. If I'm being honest,
I do.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I mean, hold this take for the whole preseason.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
It's it's fine. All I'm saying is we've got one
preseason game of seeing Davis Web call a game like
and it was cool. It was and and and it
operated efficiently. And I'm not I'm not denying that at all.
But Sean Paye's wuld do this a long time, and
he is a very very well respected offensive mine.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
I got I got you. I used g max old
logic twenty years ago, but.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Not really.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Nine listen.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
At some point Shanny did give up the play calling duty.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
And it changed it changed him, and they got him
more proficient. All right? In their first Super Bowl? Who
was calling plays?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
I thought that year he was giving Koob.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
I thought either either ninety seven or ninety eight he
gave Gary Moore of the play calling.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I thought, the way I heard it, Gary would call
the plays, but Mike retained the right to like jump
in there and do what he wont when he won.
I thought, that's the way it was, let's do that, right. Well,
Tyler would know.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Well, I wouldn't know then. I mean, I wasn't around then.
I'd be shocked if Mike gave up to play calling duties.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Okay, but he did.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Now. The only time that I saw might give up
play calling duties was the Kyle from my personal.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Experience, Washington, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Gotcha? All right, Well, let's let's parse this out a
little bit. Why not if Sean would give it up.
We'll get to that in a second. But why would
it be better Scott to have Davis Webb called the place?

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Well? I don't know if I.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
Think it was Tyler said it, or maybe it was
on the broadcast. Is there anybody that's closer to the quarterbacks,
what they like, what they're good at, what their strengths are,
what their weaknesses are, where their fears are, you know,
than Davis web that's plus, he's a shining star that
you'd like to keep in your organization as long as
you can to the point where is if it can

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work out and he can handle responsibilities like this, when
you're sixty three or sixty four or sixty five year old.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Sean Payton wants to say bye bye. There's a nice
little slide on me.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Friendly argue with you though. No, Well, Sean's in all
those meetings. Sean's paying attention to all those moments.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Sewn's not in all those moments. He's not.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I mean, does Sean not have the same and close
relationship with bow Knicks as Davis Webb.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
No, he doesn't. I think it's different. It's different, Okay.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I think Sean's relationship with bow Nicks is probably more relational,
meaning we spend time in our office every single week.
We talked about third downs, we talk about plays that
we like. Davis Webbs is much more hands on. It's
a much more tangible relationship of spending hours upon hours

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hours in the meeting room just us talking it through, right,
and then you go up into the big Man's office
and you got your own conversation. But that's kind of
like you know, you know, once an hour time or
once you know, once a day, maybe for an hour time.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Well I can even help your argument there, Scott, I
think a little bit. Not only has Davis Webb got
an unbelievable relationship with with bo Nicks, but he's a
quarterback and literally he's a guy who could be playing
quarterback in the league right now. So not only does
he have the close relationship, but he understands the league
as good as anybody because he could still theoretically be

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playing in.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
The league right And I know Lombardi's been with him
a lot longer.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
But it seems like Davis Webb is is is a
Sean Payton guy too.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Oh for sure he is. I mean Davis Webb left
a playing career to go be a shadow.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
So I don't know it just it's a good one.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I mean, I would like, let's get to the other one.
That's one. The other one is would Sean ever do that?
Would he ever give that up?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Well he might if it it was the last ditch
effort this is what I have to do to retain Davis. Okay,
but we're not there yet. We're not We're not even
close to that point. You might have to make that
decision in the offseason, okay, and maybe if things are
just going horrendous at some point in the season, you
pass it off to him for the rest of the game.
Mike would do that, Okay, now, Mike, he would when

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things weren't going right, he'd be like, all right, somebody
else take crack of this thing, you know, really, uh yeah, yeah.
And you know, whether it was just a series or
two or whatever, it was like like there's a moment
in there that it's like, all right, here you go.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yeah, like time to change this thing up.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
The interweb said that Shannan gave it over to kobiak
and or ninety nine after they starting four, and then
Gary had it the whole rest time even year.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Okay, all right, I believe that they didn't have the
Super Bowl success as they did before that, but well,
I mean, they had a six and ten season, but
they then went back to the playoffs and well, I
forget what was Kub's last year here.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Well, but before he got the job in Houston.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, okay, So you know it would
be fascinating to get Mike on and just ask him
about that process, like how do you do that? How
do you go from calling the place to trust in
somebody else to call him? But I would I don't
think we're even anywhere close to that right now. I
love your hot take, but this is Sean's baby, Scott like,

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and we've talked about how you know Sean is you know,
he even got he even got sniffy after the game,
you know, on Saturday. I just don't see him doing it.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
I don't either, But I think this would. I think
this team would take off even better. I think it
would take off even even more.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Might be.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
He was a proud man, that Sean Payton because he
said the eight to ten thing, and then Clisser pooh,
you know, threw this out at him.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, eight to ten.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
Plays your tongue us and then he sent him off
for the third series.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
I said eight to ten and it's not etched in concrete, right,
you forgot that last part of it. So what etched
in concrete? You want to you want to score?

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Get out there. But I thought we did some good things.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
So I just pulled up Sean Payton's rankings and points
per game for every year that he coached, right, because
I was curious, you know, like you and I were
kind of debating there a little bit. I'm like, I
won twenty years, Like I think this dude, like he's
been pretty good. Listen, his in twenty twenty one, his
final year out there in New Orleans was a very

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down year, nineteenth in the league scored twenty twenty, fifth, nineteen, third, eighteen, third, seventeen, fourth, sixteen, second, fifteen, eighth.
I mean, the dude is freaking He is a he
is a very well respected play caller, and I don't
in my mind, in the mind, that's not an eturnity year.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
It was what how mean super Bowls? What year was
the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Nine? Yeah, yeah, you're right. It was only sixteen.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
So you wouldn't take the fifth rate scoring offense, the
third rate, the third rate, the fourth, the second.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
Where did that lead in the play in the into
the playoffs. I don't have their season results because last
year when they when he finally didn't have Drew Brees,
how'd they do?

Speaker 4 (43:24):
All I know is if your calling plays, your calm
plays to score points. It's great to have a Hall
of Famer.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I'm here for the hot Tak Bro.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
What the Broncos do after Payton Manny left fair? I mean,
where were they ring wise? And then pay Many left?
Then where did they go? Toilet Bull City?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
The well, hold on, hold on, hold on? They win,
specifically one game for missing the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
But he brought up the scoring tank.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I don't know where they ranked and scoring after that.
But Gary was still sort of running the show the
year Payton left. He was, and then that it went
into the tank. I mean they didn't make the playoffs
that next year either, but it really fell apart after that.
Well Gary quit, I mean Gary hung it up, you know,
and then we went to the death spiral of you know, VJ.
Fangio and Hackett.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I don't I do not disagree with your premise at all, though,
I mean, when when it comes to Davis Webb and
trying to retain him, you're gonna have to make a
difficult decision.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
All right, Well, let's keep track of what's going on
with the cuts. Man Scott all for Hot Takes, All
for Man. I love it. I freaking love it it's
PhD here on ninety two five