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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Columbus Hastings and DMAC on demand. Listen to
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, we won't waste any time at the podium stepping
up as Sean Payton as they finish up their work.
They're off for Labor Day. Marvin Mims, how's he doing?
All the cuts they did? Add a seventeenth guy to
the practice squad. We got a Australian dude. All that
and more. Here is Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Everyone says this at this time of the year, but
we like how it unfolded the last forty eight hours,
you know, basically with a lot of talented players, that
led to long discussions and the equation is always trying
to predict who's more claimable sometimes, if that makes any sense,
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and it worked out really well, we're gonna have this
lunch in here pretty soon.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Any questions, what's the challenges? It's like only have four
backs that can.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Do a variety of different days.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Too, Well, it's hard to get four up. It's hard
to get four up, all right, And historically speaking in
the years that that I've coached. We haven't been that
just one back all the downs take a We've typically
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been two backs and then and then you may have
someone that does third down, you know, and so but
it's hard to get four backs up. And look, there's
times where you do if there's a vision in the
kicking game.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
And so.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Generally speaking, I think you can feed to and they
appreciate that because when you look at their careers fan
you know that can benefit them. So that that's kind
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of been my history, and I'm not saying it's everyone else's.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So just talk about developmental players would when you guys
came to envision that potentially this starts versu practice quad.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That's what it's kind of development play.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Here's the thing, there's so much unknown, right, limited information,
so it has to start with developmental and then it
was no different with Jimmy, you know, and then you
you just got to see how quickly that learning curve happens.
I felt like the last ten days for him has
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been improved. So that doesn't mean the developmental player by
week eight can't all of a sudden be someone that
but but you know, it's it's there's a large learning
curve and and he's getting it and he's getting better,
and he's and you got to remember, he's two and
forty seven snaps be fine behind everyone else. All your
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first impressions as to how the restructured punt period work.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
For Charity, it was something. It was a great idea
by Riz.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
You know, we get into these periods and then we
go punt and we and we're going to have a
punt period, right, but in the game, you know, it's punt.
You're out there one punt, you know, and so you're
on hole seventeen, it's a par five, you're on the
tee and and just creating those situations I think I
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think benefits the young punter because that's kind of the game.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
If you said, hey, we're gonna go out there, we're punting,
and everyone chill out for a second, Well he hits
three and then he's gonna pun them. That's not very realistic.
So I thought he had it well. I thought I
thought it went well, and we'll continue to do that.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Would be.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
There in full back absolutely absolutely, Tidewater.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Sean I guess happens West have been as a league
expanded it not only.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
More players, but to these bets that, you know, like the.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Break him in the Saints.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think it's there's more players playing longer. There was
discussion of a developmental league at one point, and so
pretend the practice squad stayed at a low.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Number and they all go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And I think the league, team by team club opinion
felt like, let them come in and develop in this,
you know, in the system they're in and and they're
going to have a quicker way to play in than
transitioning from Orlando. It here, and so I think it's
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worked out well for a lot of teams. And then
they added the third quarterback on the roster, can Dress,
and I think at some point they're going to allow
the practice squad quarterback to come up with an elevation
and be available as an emergency, and that doesn't exist
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right now. Man fired up to have Sam back, And.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
You guys know the stories.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
This is the first time, this is the first time
I can ever recall.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And we spent a lot of.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Time talking with him where a player like Sam had
an opportunity with two clubs to go be the two.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And chose to stay.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
And that's a credit to the program.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And I said to him.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I said, look, it's the same thing I said to
Teddy Bridgewater or any of these guys. My job is
to make you a lot of money here or somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And he's he's.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
He's someone that I would say has been a real
pleasant surprise with his ability. And I like the player
a lot, and so I think the tape Obviously some teams,
there were a number of teams that are looking for
two whether it was an injury or not. But you know,
to hang on to a player on your practice squad
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where others like that's significant.
Speaker 8 (06:37):
There's some teams and absolutely you've had a lot of
successful quarterbacks over the years, but here if you've if
you develop a reputation of being a place that they've
ordered back and go and developed for or even like
Zach obviously play less years. But how much can that
help you just from a club perspective, if.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You're a destination, I think it helps a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I mean I had that conversation with Teddy Bridgewater and
he came in, you know, with the injury to Breeze
and played very well.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
And then a year and a half later.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
He signing for twenty nine to thirty some million with Carolina,
and I was proud of him, excited for him, like
and I think the team that did that the best
for a while was Green Bay and Ron Wolfe was
the general manager, and they had Farv and then Burnell
and Aaron Brooks and Tid Detmer and Hasselback. They just
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were in that business. And oftentimes, you know, you can
trade a commodity.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
You know, you can.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Draft at a certain place a little bit what happened
with Vailey drafted a certain number and then trade. But
the position is so important that if we called it
the most important piece on a chess table, and I
don't play chess, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Then I'd like to have a bunch of queens, right.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Okay, all right, Just noting that I'd like to have
a bunch of queens.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
You can only have one queen.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
At the time and chess, that's it. That's all you're allowed.
You can get the queen back if you lose her,
if you get a pawn all the way down to
the end, and then you can well you can have
two queens in can you know what, actually, actually, you
know what, I actually think you're right if you've got
two pawns home. I think you could bring up a
second queen. Yeah, I think you're right actually about that.
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You're getting two pawns home. You're and you know what
are you doing? You're messing around? I mean really, okay.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
You're playing your kid like.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
To have two queens, more queens, a lot of queens.
Whatever you said, the allnger thing is is amazing to me.
I did not know. I was told initially it was
as a number three. Ye had two teams that are
gonna make him the backup quarterback. Wow.
Speaker 9 (09:08):
I don't even know what to say, man, other than
I guess I'll stand by what I said yesterday. If
he is here on this practice squad today, he has
to have been promised to fifty three band roster, and
they did say earlier the presser that they view him
as a fifty three band guy.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (09:24):
So my expectation is if he is foregoing on a
net difference of seven hundred thousand dollars, which is the
difference of league minimum for Sam in year five versus
the backs he can make on practice squad, he is
only doing that in the short term.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What if you give up seven hundred thousand, but your
odds of getting a two year, ten million dollar deal
increase significantly.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
Well, I guess, sorry, Scott, but I fundamentally would disagree
with that. I mean, if you could be at number
two somewhere else, that's going to give you a far
clearer path to getting paid much more deificantly. That beat
a number three on this team about I always have to
go wrong for him to get on the field.
Speaker 10 (10:05):
And let me ask you this, because here's where I
still question the number two for another team me too.
You think you're allowed, Jim, I'm right to to pick
pull a guy from somebody else's practice squad to your team.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I think this is in the NFL rules.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
I can pick d mac off of Carolina's practice squad,
but when I do, he has to go on to
my fifty three.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That is true.
Speaker 10 (10:35):
So if a team had a need for number two,
let him put him on practice squad. I'll just pick
him off the fifty three.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But if two teams wanted that, actually that makes a
ton of sense. I think though a club has like
kind of a first right of refusal, but they would
have to put.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
You on their They have to put But that's the
only thing correct, and I don't lead, there's compensation, What
do you mean, Like, I don't know, the team that
pulls off your practice squad has.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
To pay you a round pick or I don't know
if the.
Speaker 9 (11:08):
Leader no, no, no, no, you definitely don't have to
give him anything. I mean, you're you're just activating them.
Speaker 10 (11:12):
So if two teams needed a number two quarterback, why
wouldn't you just let him make the fifty three and go, Okay,
we're gonna Well.
Speaker 9 (11:22):
It is an interesting scenario because in theory, the teams
that wanted Sam as their backup quarterback or number three quarterback,
whatever it might be. Uh, they can just pick him
up off the practice squad and Sam doesn't have a choice.
If you get plucked off the practice squad, you don't
get the right to decline it.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
You just have to go.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So that's where I questioned, could always quit football.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
That's where I.
Speaker 10 (11:45):
Questioned, a football team wanted him as a number two
me too, And if they still want him, guess what,
go get him?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well, just pluck you.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
Yeah, like we like, they could literally go get him
this week if they really want to.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (11:56):
But I do think Darren's right or Darvin that bally
that you can the team that you're getting plucked from
has the right to just move him on up to
your fifty three.
Speaker 10 (12:07):
Which you want to talking about that, Allison, one of
those guys who are out having drinks last night's gonna go.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Hey, sorry, just kidding.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh, that's definitely gonna happen. I mean, we're gonna have
a couple of those that that is definitely gonna happen.
Speaker 10 (12:20):
But if you pluck a guy and they say no,
we're gonna move Sam up to our fifty three, weird
now is gone.
Speaker 9 (12:26):
It's weird nuance actually, because you know that rule meeting
the player has to go to the fifty three man roster.
That was really put in place to prevent say the
Denver Broncos from blocking Sam going to another team. Right,
so somebody wants to pick you up, well, we can't
block you from the right to go be on a
fifty three man roster. But in theory, in this situation,
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Sam would be saying no, I really want to be
on the practice squad here, but he doesn't have a
choice and somebody plucks him.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, this is feeling sketchy too, because, in all honesty,
if the team did want him as a backup quarterback.
They probably he would think twice about giving him an
extension for five to ten million dollars if they really
wanted him. That's kind of the going rate for backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Maybe there were some teams out there as the number three.
Even that one is really tough for me to believe.
But as a backup quarterback, would you ask me the question,
what if it gives you a better chance to earn
ten million dollars by being in Denver? I'd call bs
because Sam needs to get on the field to get
that kind of money, and for him to get on
the field here at Denver, you need two dudes to
get hurt.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think Sean may have been I think that might
have been a little bit of a truth.
Speaker 10 (13:35):
Yeah, and he may may have overestimated that. That being said,
I do believe the reading him and listened that he
does like Sam Ellinger.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I don't think that was funny.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
George Peyton said it this morning. Sean said it. How
about their surprised by him? You want to talk about
We've talked a lot about Troy Franklin had a great camp.
Sam Ellinger might have had the best camp of anybody.
Speaker 10 (13:58):
Well, Ellinger has gotten restarts. When he was with the Colts,
he was owing three. He had three touchdowns, three picks,
but he completed like sixty three percent of his passes.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, what George said and Shawn has said too, is
that they did not expect him to have the arm
strength he does and that he's actually grown in that
department over the past year or so, which I supposed
to make sense. You get guy's time to develop and
get stronger and bigger and whatever you get in your
mid twenties. It's not crazy, right, Yeah, Nah, I don't
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know if I'm buying Sean on that either, Tyler, it
doesn't make any sense. And Seawan says, well, it's the
first time I recall, Well, it's the first time any
of us would recall, because it literally makes no sense
that a guy would choose to be on the practice
squad compared to the back of it quarterback again.
Speaker 10 (14:51):
And this is Pollyanna world that I've lived, And I'll
I'll repeat what I said yesterday unless George and Sean
and the Pinners have something.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Really really cooking.
Speaker 10 (15:02):
Yeah, for this organization that maybe we don't even see, well,
they must that somebody would say listen, and I do
agree with Tyler even in that Scenariolet's say, listen, we're
gonna get you up at least and I told you
there's one hundred and eighty seven thousand a game versus
twenty three to five. Again that's a big difference weekly,
but we get you up four weeks as the three
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quarterback pay you another close to eight hundred thousand whatever
they won one twenty seven, four hundred and five hundred thousand.
Now a sudden you're making eight nine hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, all I got better. I canna tell you on
this one is enjoyed Jared Stindhams last year on the Denver.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Broncos it kind of feels that way, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Hell yeah, all right, we'll get into the rest of it.
That was fascinating what George Payton had to say earlier
today and news on Marvin MEM's coming up next live
for the Back of the Chankers studios their passion is
Justice PhD on ninety two five and reacting to Sean
Payton and George Payton spoke earlier today too, So we'll
get some of that to you. George is an interesting dude.
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He doesn't really say all that much. So when you
get some information from him, it's like, oh, he really
I think he really wants he started a really good SoundBite.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
We kept this saying pretty close to the best and
keep quiet.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So yeah, I don't think George really accidentally says things,
and I think Sean Payton can't help himself.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
They're the polar opposite as far as information.
Speaker 9 (16:29):
I think that Sean Payton has got like little dabbles
of information that's fed to him, meaning like, yeah, there
were some teams out there that were interested in Sam Ellinger, right,
and and he turns that in his mind back into
the backup quarterback, right.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, So that's not all I don't I don't think.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
He's intentionally whined to us.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
I just think he's he's fed bits and pieces of
information and he processed it however the hell he processed it.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So what would you call an over exaggeration of the truth.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Residential?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well, then Sean has perhaps a very presidential approach to
things like Nick Benito's back here. Oh no he's not.
He's going to be gone for a week, you know,
because he needs a surgery. Michael Burne should be okay, Well, no,
he's not. He's out for the year with a hamstring whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
That's a bigger miss than the Benito one. Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You know, uh, Sam Ellinger could have been a backup quarterback,
and you know what, there were a couple of clubs
interested as being the number three guy.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
That's what it feels.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, I agree, you want to it's lying sounds too harsh.
Speaker 9 (17:31):
I don't think he's intentionally trying to lie. I just
think that he's got bits and pieces of information. Yeah,
let me ask the football guy, call coach Sanford. Uh,
that was Tyler.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
That was rude. That's rude.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm just going on, would that be an exaggeration?
Speaker 10 (17:47):
I'm just going to ditto that's what he thinks but
means yes, So let's go. It's true, sick a round pick.
They are the backup court. They want him as a
backup quarterback. Yeah, you couldn't have got value for that.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
A sixth that's a fair point, A fifth that is
a fair point. That's a really good point.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I mean, I mean, if there's honestly two people and
and listen, yeah, what you could have gotten out and
ben him a fifth or sixth round er for that?
Speaker 10 (18:14):
The one word that should never be used in pro sports.
Is loyalty because there is none. Gotta get yours when
you get yours. If somebody want him as a backup quarterback,
you're gonna tell me George Payton couldn't got a fifth
sixth round pick for him.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Agreed, Well, you can't sit there at a press conference
like Sean just did and go on and on and
on about how the value of position is more than
ever and not come to that obvious logical conclusion either.
If somebody wants to.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Turn into the guy that brings logic to this.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Show, it's a that's even a that's presidential too. That
might be that might be a little bit of a
stretch as well. All right, whatever with Sean Sean John
is you know you want you want to hear somebody
just tell you how it is and it's easier to
read through the lines. You talk to George Payton. Okay,
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he doesn't give you a lot, but sometimes what he
says or what he doesn't say seriously tells you everything.
Right for, let me present to the court's consideration this
answer this morning about estimate, about what you know was
going on with estimate.
Speaker 12 (19:18):
George, I'm just curious if you could. I mean Sean
went into it a little bit the other day, but
just expand on the decision to let Estimate go and
if the practice squad was ever a consideration for him.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
And you know, big fan of Audric, and you know,
I thought he had some moments last season. You know,
we drafted Oudric. He was twenty years old. You don't
see that very often, and we knew he'd take some
development and he did develop. I like the way he
finished against New Orleans. You know, the bottom line, we
were just able to keep four and it's hard to
keep more than that, and we just wish him the best.
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He's going to be a really good pro. You know,
I think he's with the Eagles, and you know, again
we just wish him the best.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So the question was did you make him an offer?
And at the end of the day he said we
wish him the best ye, which.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
Is no, no, we did not, But also we liked him.
He's progressed, he was a fit downd pick. Oh, this
wasn't my decision not to offer you.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Well, it could be a couple of things. It could
be that it could also be Estimating and his agent
were pissed off, and they made it clear to the
Broncos they didn't want to be there anymore. And oh, okay,
you don't want to be here, well, all right, I'm
not making you in an offer either. It might not
have even got to that point. My guess is they
just had a They were banging heads from the from
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the jump, probably since the playoff game about what's going
on here?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Look, I don't know if the Broncos offered him a
spot on the practice squad or not. I don't think
that that audio definitively makes me feel one way or
the other.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Really, it doesn't know, Okay, it does.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You think the Broncos, after hearing that, offered him a
spot on the practice squad.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
So that's where I'm getting going to, is that it
doesn't make me feel one way or the other. Because
if they did offer him a spot on the practice
squad and he declined it, they're not going to brag
about that either. So it could be one of one
of two things. It doesn't really matter. I mean, from
Mondre Gassimay's point of view, if you had an opportunity
to go anywhere else, that's where you're gonna go, and
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whether the BRONC is offered or not, it really doesn't
matter to me. But I don't I don't feel like
that audio is definitive because they wouldn't be bragging about
a player choosing to another team.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I don't think they wanted anything to do with Estimate
in all honesty. I think they were done with them.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
I think Sean Payton was done with it.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, who was with them?
Speaker 10 (21:35):
I think George would have taken me back. He said
it was only twenty I mean it was a fifth
drowned pick.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
We liked it. Whoever, here's a twenty year old, right.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
I mean he's given reasons why, and then he would
put the big D word talk about using the big
D development development we really grew see. I think it
was up to George, he'd be on the practice squad.
But I think there was a hard, no bad blood
relationship between him and Sean pay Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You think a GM wants to see a fifth round
guy that he picked out be gone in the second.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Year twenty one?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, man, I mean that doesn't make a lot of sense.
There probably is a little sort of things with him
and Shawn about Estimate. I mean that's well, whatever, he's gone.
You know another guy that's interesting we really haven't talked about.
Did you see where Demary Mathis went to and what
fifty three he was signed to? What team Carolina? Do
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you know who's in charge of that defense? That's right,
that's right. That's that's another quirky one right there, that
we haven't spent much time on. Let me ask you
this title.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Was probably in the draft Roe when they got mad.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I would guess, I guess he's a fan of him.
How often do I know you're probably not supposed to,
but how often in the NFL, is does the word
get out there like no, we wantch you know, if
you're not here, you can come here, that sort of thing.
How often do guys know they got a landing spot
one way or the other?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Oh, you're asking King King landing? Well, I mean you're right.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
I mean I pretty much did always know I had
a landing spot with Mike or one of his protegees somewhere.
That's the way it works for me. When you get
in with somebody, I mean, I think you've got gut
feelings that I've got X amount of connections in the NFL.
But it's not especially for a player like that hero
evro Is and spending time during training camp called up
tomorrow Mathis and be like, hey, buddy, yeah, we got
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a spot for you. I know, I don't. I don't
think that guys like that have conversations now. Dudes that
are unhappy campers, that's a different story. Dudes, the dudes
that are requested trades, the big timers. Yeah, I think
there's conversations going on behind the scenes. But when you're
talking about number fifty two, number fifty three on the roster,
you might connect some dots and feel like you've got
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a good chance somewhere. But nobody's having a conversation, all.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Right, anything else stand out? Oh, the Broncos did sign
a guy as their seventeenth guy in the practice.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I saw that Ozzie rules football player.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Dan didn't know what, Dan, did you do research in
Ozzie rules football? Dan said he'd never seen Australian rules
football before.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
It's just rugby. No, it's not rugby.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean it's it's it's sort of close.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
They don't wear pads. They do not wear there they're men.
Speaker 9 (24:20):
They don't wear in rugby either. But that's the similar
That's what I'm saying. That's the similarity.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
They it's significantly different. You can run around and kick
the ball forward in Australian rules football. You can't do
that in rugby. You can only pass it backwards. The
field is like this crazy opal shit. It's like it's
like a pole.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Three goals doesn't three, No, it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Only has two and the goals do look like a
rugby sort of goal. Anyways, we got there.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
They're big in the long poles.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So the probos do use that international thing and they
get a seventeenth guy on the practice squad.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Big guy though.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Six six fifty played for the Jaguars last year.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
I mean, you got the spot, you got the spot available.
It'd be silly to not use it.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
On the text line, what did Peyton say about Vic?
I missed it. Oh, Vic was part of the conference
call this morning, unexpectedly. It uh, it wasn't Vig. We
signed signed on and Vic kind of was there.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
So like on a zoom thing.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, so it was who was.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
In the picture.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Nobody was in the picture.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
It was.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
It was actually just all audio stuff, but like yeah,
doing the doing the show. So it was the morning show.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
It was George Payton really sucks as g Hey, George,
how you doing.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Here's uh Dan, you got a little bit of something afterwards?
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Yeah, go ahead, Mike, we got your phone that went off.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
No it wasn't, but I enjoyed uh Vick Lombardi's little
uh diatricic Mike.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Geez, Mike, we gotta talk about bro code here, man,
you can't be thrown dudes under the bus.
Speaker 10 (26:02):
VI get on zoom. But then he got a phone
call or they heard him talking.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
George was answering question and all of a sudden, you heard.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I want to hear the audio of Vic. That's what
I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That is that is gone, my friend. That is that
does not exist anymore.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
What? Oh and that was buried. Just go to the
skimmer the skimmer.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, uh well, no, it wasn't on the radio show.
It was on the It was on the zoom call
from the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Oh but but he was doing his radio show.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, and that went on the zoom call by the Broncos.
The Broncos did not hit mute.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I got.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I don't know how it works. I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
We gotta find that audio. That's what we did.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Maybe somebody has it out there, but the Broncos, you know,
they scrubbub they got But it was funny because he's
answering question. All of a sudden there's just Vic with
the hot take, you know, just why, you know, and
you could hear it. Oh Clear's day. And so the
next person asking a question was Mike Cliss and George
Peyton didn't realize what had happened. He thought that was
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Mike because Mike was the next question. He thought Mike's
phone or something went off. So it's you know, that's silly,
not a big deal, just you know, Mike throwing his
boy under the bus. Though it's kind of a funny line. Actually,
you know, professionals, professionals, we got it done. What else
we got from George Payton today? Do the growth of
(27:29):
Troy Franklin?
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Yeah, I mean the biggest thing. You know, he had
a really good offseason and getting stronger, and you know,
we stay in Phase one for five weeks and that
gives the players the opportunity to lift, get stronger. They're
not focused on meetings, they're not focused on football, and
I think that was really important for Troy to get stronger.
And then you know, he took that momentum into training camp.
And the biggest thing with Troy's the confidence. You know,
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he's not thinking as much. You know, last year you
could tell he was thinking, and now he's playing fast,
he's playing urgent at the confidence. You see the big play,
the ball skills, the hands, and and so he's just
developing right in front of our eyes. And that's a
credit to him and the work that he's put into it.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Who did have the best camp? As as as sings
wrap up? Who do you think it was? Was it Franklin?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Who was it in terms of like most improved?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Sure, I mean in terms of anything like just it
was it was really really good for them to have
a good camp.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
Yeah, I mean, it'd be hard to ignore Troy Franklin's performance.
I mean, for a guy that got nothing to get
dog cuss last year to turn it around and be
a legitimate number two weapon that made it realistic for
you to trade Devon Vley.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
I think it would go Franklin Stead Ellinger Stead. It
would be hard to beat, wouldn't he.
Speaker 10 (28:39):
Yeah, but literally, but that was in the game. But
Franklin from from like day one in practices, everybody's coming
around and going Troy Franklin.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Oh well, Troy Franklin.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
So I mean he was doing it, you know, in
practice and the opportunities and games whatever. But I would
still go, especially as you just said, Downer from how
he was dog cussed by multiple coaches.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
Oh my god practice last year too. I almost felt
bad for the dude last year to do.
Speaker 10 (29:05):
I mean, I don't think there's any question he's the
number two wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You want to talk about a strong year for the Broncos,
check this out that I think they had four guys
go join other teams fifty three start there. Wow, the
Broncos did not put in one waiver claim on any
player around the league, not one, So nobody joined the team. Okay,
all of their practice squad guys aside from this Australian
(29:29):
guy were here. Yep, they did not.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Last year. It was on Broncos players at least at
the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And you have a quarterback, according to your head coach,
turned down, according to the head coach, a chance to
be a backup quarterback to be on your practice squad.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Pretty wild, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And you got through camp essentially, frank Er, Julo and
Drew Sanders and then at Kids got a little hurt.
But he'll be back, you know what I mean, Like
like Michael Burton, Treg Greenlaw, Well hopefully he'll be back,
and you know, hopefully he's okay, but down for the year.
It's just a couple of guys. Yeah, so you stayed
relatively healthy guys. I don't know, man, this may have
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been on paper the best year off season training camp
for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
Well that's why you don't look at it on paper though.
I mean, I understand what you're saying on paper, and
it's been drama free and we got we got two
contracts done, which was cool, no drama, no bad blood
between Zach and Cortland and the Denver Broncos. Now we're
working on the third. It would appear that there's no
bad blood between Nick Bonito.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
And the Denver Broncos. Cool, all awesome stuff. Yep.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
You had a roster that you believed in. Well you
knew that when you retained eighty six percent of that
roster coming into training camp. But then you go out
there and you watch the offense and you're like, I
don't know, I don't know, right, So I mean, yeah,
I got what you're saying on paper, but your eyeballs
would tell you, yeah, we got a great defense, a
hell of a defense that I think is going to
be everything that they're advertised to be.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
George Payne was gloss and Boe is their franchise. We
got our franchise quarterback. They've said that multiple times. That's
not the first time.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Well deservedly so, I mean, I'm not trying to take
that away. I'm not acting like he's not a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
He is.
Speaker 9 (31:18):
He's their dude. But it was rocky, I mean the
Scott would you agree with that?
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think there was a
couple of people in this room where chast tyed for
being honest, right, But yeah, I thought he really struggled
to start trading camp.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
All right, I have one last one for you guys,
quick and then coming up. We have some interest I
mean in Cleveland. No, this is a quick one.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Oh, lots of drama in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We'll get there. We'll get to Cleveland in a second.
But Sean Paint was asked about his boss. He was
asked about Greg Penner, what do you think he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Say best ever.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Yeah, I mean Greg, you know, what, would you say?
Great downing board for me? For Sean, He's here daily,
He's involved in every every decision, you know, every big decision.
Greg's done it all in the business world. He's learned
the football world. You know, he's he's the smartest guy
in the room, no matter what room you walk into.
So it's really it's really valuable for Sean and I
and so again, just an outstanding, standing sounding board for
(32:19):
decision making roster management. He and Carrie Bolt have been
outstanding for us.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I think he said.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Sean said, no, no, no, that's exactly what George.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, okay, what are you gonna say? Hey, tell me
about your boss? Ah? That guy time out. All right,
we'll get to Cleveland and everything going on there coming
up next. How much are you guys really following what's
happening in Cleveland in terms of what's going on there.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Well, if you watch one video, your algorithm turns into
a hundred videos. So all of a sudden, I've got
a bunch of Cleveland sports talk radio on my timeline.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's pretty entertaining, it's pretty funny. You want, let's start
with Kelsey the.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
God it really is, It really is Tebow two point zero?
How dare you disagree with me? How dare you not to?
I like this guy, That's why, because I like him.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Let's just go to the radio stuff first. So this
Tony Grossy guy, I guess he's like a columnist a writer,
but he makes regular radio and TV appearances. He's one
of them dudes. Okay, he he who was who was
like the biggest anti TBO guy here in town? You
guys doesn't ring aside from Lway Like, I don't know,
(33:48):
I know, I know, Like Woody was like, really pro TBO.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
You wrote a manifesto.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I was pro TBO as well. Yeah, well I was,
I to be to be more specific, I was pro
here's how this could work with Tebow. And I was
definitely like you drafted him, you gotta play him, That's
what I was. Woody was just like tbo's he was
like Skip Bayless. Remember they they did like ESPN shows
(34:15):
down like at Jackson's and stuff, and so that's on
the very pro side. There were a lot of anti
TBO guys in the media tons.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Yeah, but then but then they had to shut up
because they kept winning.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Games.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I can't think of a newspaper writer here was Kid's
anti TBO. I can't. I don't really remember.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I don't know if he was.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
If I were, I would say.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yes, Well, I'm just saying this Tony Grosy guy, if
it is like t Bow. This one dude on the
radio is kind of like, hey, he's Shadur has his
curiosity and he's like, yeah, let's see what he's got.
But this Tony Grosy guy has his flag buried like
Shadur sucks. And so they had this little fun conversation
(34:59):
in Cleveland talk radio.
Speaker 13 (35:00):
You mean he hurt his chances that much? There?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
A second, I gotta I got some more context. They
signed Bailey Zappi to the practice squad. So this Tony
grossy guy is just like cut Shader have Zappi. That's
it whatever, Like this guy is no sugar no matter what.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Okay, and the guy that holds the show, Rizzy or something.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Something like that, he huge. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 13 (35:26):
Sorry, you mean he hurt his chances that much there?
Why would they value the third game over the first.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Game, because it's you're supposed to improve with every appearance.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
He played they played with the two's in the first
argue with them all.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
He had five series and he went backwards on each
of them.
Speaker 13 (35:48):
Played with the threes, Tony. Four of the five guys
got waived the next day. That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
That doesn't mean anything to you.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Something to you.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
He means something to you.
Speaker 13 (35:57):
If Dylan Gabriel was the guy playing with the three
and they got waved the next day, that would mean
so do you.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Doesn't fit your narrative, doesn't fit your narrative.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Narrative. I don't understand your emotional investment, Tony.
Speaker 13 (36:13):
I'm rooting for the kid. Don't worry about what my
investment is. Worry about what your investment is with your guy.
Don't worry about me. Don't worry about why I like
a guy. I think that kid can play better than
Bill Dylan Gabriel. I said it before the draft, and
I'll stick to it. I think he got a raw
deal here in Cleveland. End of story. That's how I feel.
Don't tell me how to feel.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
At which point will you admit, boy.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Was I wrong? Tony?
Speaker 13 (36:38):
It might be ten years down the road, because both
these guys are going to be backups.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Honestly, honestly, I.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Agree with you. I agree with that, but right now,
Gabriel's better see it, didn't you?
Speaker 13 (36:49):
Yes, Tony, Yes, you asked me why I'm rooting for
Shador because I like him.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I'm sorry he's famous.
Speaker 13 (36:57):
I'm sorry that you don't like famous people, even though
you're the most famous guy in the world.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Right now, Okay, I don't even I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I don't know what you think. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 13 (37:07):
Don't tell me who would have liked and who to
root for it, because I don't rootfer you.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Root for it.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's good stuff. It's TVO, that is TVA right there.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, neither one of them were making
logical arguments. I don't know what's the dude's name that
was host of the radio show.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Riz.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
He was actually more logical than Tony, I mean, because
Tony was like, well, can you admit that to dyl
Gabriel has been better.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
He's like, yes, but I like I like it.
Speaker 10 (37:35):
But that's also out of context in the sense that
this argument has been going on since before week one.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
But this was exactly what it was happening with TiVo.
When you looked at him on the field and like
practice and camp and everything, it was just like, you
gotta be kidding me, this is not good. And everybody
with any kind of sense of football.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Was like, but that part's not.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
I don't think that's a direct comparison to Sor because he.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Could play it.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
He's been getting really good reviews from his training camps.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Tony Grossi just said he because he goes back and
back and back. He's had five drives because keeps going backwards.
Dan Or Latsky was back back back on that stuff.
I saw Robert Griffin Junior. I saw Cam Newton talk
about Schador just you know, you got to step up
in the pocket.
Speaker 10 (38:18):
I mean, Downer said it best after that third game.
The first game he said, Okay, this kid's getting and
he's looking.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
He's doing what he needs to do.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
The third game he reverted back to see you and
what's the difference. First game he's playing with first and
second team or a second. Last game he.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Played the third one, Well, that's it.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
He's playing with guys that are going to be cut,
and that's all the guys he's played with on the
line the last two years.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
He realized that was the tebow story too, like who
he's playing with, who's the coach, how he's he's set
up for failure. He doesn't have a chance because nobody's
giving him.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Listen, he could throw What did Tony say after the
first game for I'd love to know that, I'm.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Sure kill Well that was you don't believe in me
to I know, I know, you know, why are you
hating on me? That sort of thing.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
I mean, to take the accumulation of their preseason performances,
it would be impossible to not grade out Dylan Gabriel
is better because the two games or the three games
combined that Doan did play one of them, but the
games that they played combined, Yeah, it was a better average.
I mean, if you want to average it out, for sure,
it was a better average. But what happened in the
(39:27):
first game was pretty special for sure, right Yeah, So
so how do you weigh that into an average?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Again? You know, if you want to say Tvo sucks,
I'm with you. If you want to say he's good
and does nothing but win, I'll point out his record.
I mean it's kind of crazy. Yeah, I mean there's
two sizes.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Here's what Travis here let me play Travis Kelsey for you.
And you know, it's funny hearing Travis and Jason because
even though they play for the Eagles and the Chiefs,
right and they love their own teams, they are still
from Cleveland. So there is in their sports fans like
they still have, like you know, good feelings about and
they want good things for Cleveland teams. Here's what Dravis said.
Speaker 14 (40:04):
Give the people what they want for sure. I mean, listen,
I want the worst wants to see him go out
there and not only play, but have success. At this point,
guys are rooting for him. This isn't against anything against Dylan,
This isn't anything against Joe. I'm just saying the excitement
is there for him to go out there. He's going
to put eyes on the screen. He is going to
(40:27):
bring people to the game. It is what it is, man,
Why I would at least I would love to see
it many. I say all this as a fellow Clevelander,
and I hear with the chatter around Cleveland and how
everybody just get you get Dion Sun in the building.
He enjoys being in the limelight, he enjoys being on
that football field. He's got to excite me. He's the
showman when he plays. It's just it's so fun to
(40:49):
want to root for that. It's it's fun to imagine
what it would look like if they let twelve go
out there and shake it.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
And that was Tibo too. We don't care about it whatever.
We just want to see him. We just want to
see him play. We want to see where this is
gonna go. Schaderan TiVo. I don't know, man, it strikes
me as incredibly similar. I don't know how the passion
is for the fan base, but it's interesting here a
current player just be like, damn, I don't know, let's
(41:17):
see it.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
Yeah, I mean, give the people what they want. The
people do want to see, Sir Sanders.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
And does anybody really give a crap about Dylan Gabriel
Oregon fans. Meanwhile, do you see what the Shawn Watson's
putting out videos?
Speaker 9 (41:31):
Yeah, they're saying he's uh, he actually might be available
come October. They're gonna have to make a decision on him.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (41:38):
If Deshaun is healthy, I bet they thrust him back
into the starting lineup. Okay, because why wouldn't you why
why why wouldn't you try to salvage that one last time.
You already committed, You're you're you're pot committed financially yep.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I mean on paper too, he's still in the prime
of his career.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
I mean on paper, he's the best quarterback in the room.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Cleveland wins Man as well. You don't care about anything else, Cleveland.
Whatever the drama sweepstakes is Cleveland. You win Cleveland, and
then we're just gonna start Joe Flacco. Yeah, who's their
first game against?
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Who? They playing?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
So many tough the first four games, ap brutal.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Let's see how much arch band It's gonna make this year, No,
how much last year didn't make? Like four last year
is a backup? Got four or five?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Six point eight that's awesome.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Two and a half million dollars more than the next highest,
which is Carson back out in Miami.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
That's awesome.
Speaker 10 (42:39):
You don't you try to look at we have to
look at all the quarterbacks salaries and see how many
NFL quarterbacks he's making more money?
Speaker 9 (42:45):
Did well, he's making about a lot. He's making six
point four billion more than Sam.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, who's according to shot.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
He's making eight hundred thowns more than stake him. Yep, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Oh, he's making a lot more money than a lot
of quarterbacks in the NFL. I mean, not the starter starters,
but like tons rookie starters. Tomorrow it's Texas or Saturday
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, we won't waste any time at the podium stepping
up as Sean Payton as they finish up their work.
They're off for Labor Day. Marvin Mims, how's he doing?
All the cuts they did? Add a seventeenth guy to
the practice squad. We got a Australian dude. All that
and more. Here is Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Everyone says this at this time of the year, but
we like how it unfolded the last forty eight hours,
you know, basically with a lot of talented players, that
led to long discussions and the equation is always trying
to predict who's more claimable sometimes, if that makes any sense,
(00:57):
and it worked out really well, we're gonna have this
lunch in here pretty soon.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Any questions, what's the challenges? It's like only have four
backs that can.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Do a variety of different days.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Too, Well, it's hard to get four up. It's hard
to get four up, all right, And historically speaking in
the years that that I've coached. We haven't been that
just one back all the downs take a We've typically
(01:31):
been two backs and then and then you may have
someone that does third down, you know, and so but
it's hard to get four backs up. And look, there's
times where you do if there's a vision in the
kicking game.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
And so.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Generally speaking, I think you can feed to and they
appreciate that because when you look at their careers fan
you know that can benefit them. So that that's kind
(02:07):
of been my history, and I'm not saying it's everyone else's.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So just talk about developmental players would when you guys
came to envision that potentially this starts versu practice quad.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That's what it's kind of development play.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Here's the thing, there's so much unknown, right, limited information,
so it has to start with developmental and then it
was no different with Jimmy, you know, and then you
you just got to see how quickly that learning curve happens.
I felt like the last ten days for him has
(02:44):
been improved. So that doesn't mean the developmental player by
week eight can't all of a sudden be someone that
but but you know, it's it's there's a large learning
curve and and he's getting it and he's getting better,
and he's and you got to remember, he's two and
forty seven snaps be fine behind everyone else. All your
(03:08):
first impressions as to how the restructured punt period work.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
For Charity, it was something. It was a great idea
by Riz.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
You know, we get into these periods and then we
go punt and we and we're going to have a
punt period, right, but in the game, you know, it's punt.
You're out there one punt, you know, and so you're
on hole seventeen, it's a par five, you're on the
tee and and just creating those situations I think I
(03:40):
think benefits the young punter because that's kind of the game.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
If you said, hey, we're gonna go out there, we're punting,
and everyone chill out for a second, Well he hits
three and then he's gonna pun them. That's not very realistic.
So I thought he had it well. I thought I
thought it went well, and we'll continue to do that.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Would be.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
There in full back absolutely absolutely, Tidewater.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Sean I guess happens West have been as a league
expanded it not only.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
More players, but to these bets that, you know, like the.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Break him in the Saints.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think it's there's more players playing longer. There was
discussion of a developmental league at one point, and so
pretend the practice squad stayed at a low.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Number and they all go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And I think the league, team by team club opinion
felt like, let them come in and develop in this,
you know, in the system they're in and and they're
going to have a quicker way to play in than
transitioning from Orlando. It here, and so I think it's
(05:03):
worked out well for a lot of teams. And then
they added the third quarterback on the roster, can Dress,
and I think at some point they're going to allow
the practice squad quarterback to come up with an elevation
and be available as an emergency, and that doesn't exist
(05:24):
right now. Man fired up to have Sam back, And.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
You guys know the stories.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
This is the first time, this is the first time
I can ever recall.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And we spent a lot of.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Time talking with him where a player like Sam had
an opportunity with two clubs to go be the two.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And chose to stay.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
And that's a credit to the program.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And I said to him.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I said, look, it's the same thing I said to
Teddy Bridgewater or any of these guys. My job is
to make you a lot of money here or somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And he's he's.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
He's someone that I would say has been a real
pleasant surprise with his ability. And I like the player
a lot, and so I think the tape Obviously some teams,
there were a number of teams that are looking for
two whether it was an injury or not. But you know,
to hang on to a player on your practice squad
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where others like that's significant.
Speaker 8 (06:37):
There's some teams and absolutely you've had a lot of
successful quarterbacks over the years, but here if you've if
you develop a reputation of being a place that they've
ordered back and go and developed for or even like
Zach obviously play less years. But how much can that
help you just from a club perspective, if.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You're a destination, I think it helps a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I mean I had that conversation with Teddy Bridgewater and
he came in, you know, with the injury to Breeze
and played very well.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
And then a year and a half later.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
He signing for twenty nine to thirty some million with Carolina,
and I was proud of him, excited for him, like
and I think the team that did that the best
for a while was Green Bay and Ron Wolfe was
the general manager, and they had Farv and then Burnell
and Aaron Brooks and Tid Detmer and Hasselback. They just
(07:31):
were in that business. And oftentimes, you know, you can
trade a commodity.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
You know, you can.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Draft at a certain place a little bit what happened
with Vailey drafted a certain number and then trade. But
the position is so important that if we called it
the most important piece on a chess table, and I
don't play chess, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Then I'd like to have a bunch of queens, right.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Okay, all right, Just noting that I'd like to have
a bunch of queens.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
You can only have one queen.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
At the time and chess, that's it. That's all you're allowed.
You can get the queen back if you lose her,
if you get a pawn all the way down to
the end, and then you can well you can have
two queens in can you know what, actually, actually, you
know what, I actually think you're right if you've got
two pawns home. I think you could bring up a
second queen. Yeah, I think you're right actually about that.
(08:39):
You're getting two pawns home. You're and you know what
are you doing? You're messing around? I mean really, okay.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
You're playing your kid like.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
To have two queens, more queens, a lot of queens.
Whatever you said, the allnger thing is is amazing to me.
I did not know. I was told initially it was
as a number three. Ye had two teams that are
gonna make him the backup quarterback. Wow.
Speaker 9 (09:08):
I don't even know what to say, man, other than
I guess I'll stand by what I said yesterday. If
he is here on this practice squad today, he has
to have been promised to fifty three band roster, and
they did say earlier the presser that they view him
as a fifty three band guy.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (09:24):
So my expectation is if he is foregoing on a
net difference of seven hundred thousand dollars, which is the
difference of league minimum for Sam in year five versus
the backs he can make on practice squad, he is
only doing that in the short term.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What if you give up seven hundred thousand, but your
odds of getting a two year, ten million dollar deal
increase significantly.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
Well, I guess, sorry, Scott, but I fundamentally would disagree
with that. I mean, if you could be at number
two somewhere else, that's going to give you a far
clearer path to getting paid much more deificantly. That beat
a number three on this team about I always have to
go wrong for him to get on the field.
Speaker 10 (10:05):
And let me ask you this, because here's where I
still question the number two for another team me too.
You think you're allowed, Jim, I'm right to to pick
pull a guy from somebody else's practice squad to your team.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I think this is in the NFL rules.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
I can pick d mac off of Carolina's practice squad,
but when I do, he has to go on to
my fifty three.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That is true.
Speaker 10 (10:35):
So if a team had a need for number two,
let him put him on practice squad. I'll just pick
him off the fifty three.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But if two teams wanted that, actually that makes a
ton of sense. I think though a club has like
kind of a first right of refusal, but they would
have to put.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
You on their They have to put But that's the
only thing correct, and I don't lead, there's compensation, What
do you mean, Like, I don't know, the team that
pulls off your practice squad has.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
To pay you a round pick or I don't know
if the.
Speaker 9 (11:08):
Leader no, no, no, no, you definitely don't have to
give him anything. I mean, you're you're just activating them.
Speaker 10 (11:12):
So if two teams needed a number two quarterback, why
wouldn't you just let him make the fifty three and go, Okay,
we're gonna Well.
Speaker 9 (11:22):
It is an interesting scenario because in theory, the teams
that wanted Sam as their backup quarterback or number three quarterback,
whatever it might be. Uh, they can just pick him
up off the practice squad and Sam doesn't have a choice.
If you get plucked off the practice squad, you don't
get the right to decline it.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
You just have to go.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So that's where I questioned, could always quit football.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
That's where I.
Speaker 10 (11:45):
Questioned, a football team wanted him as a number two
me too, And if they still want him, guess what,
go get him?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well, just pluck you.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
Yeah, like we like, they could literally go get him
this week if they really want to.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (11:56):
But I do think Darren's right or Darvin that bally
that you can the team that you're getting plucked from
has the right to just move him on up to
your fifty three.
Speaker 10 (12:07):
Which you want to talking about that, Allison, one of
those guys who are out having drinks last night's gonna go.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Hey, sorry, just kidding.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh, that's definitely gonna happen. I mean, we're gonna have
a couple of those that that is definitely gonna happen.
Speaker 10 (12:20):
But if you pluck a guy and they say no,
we're gonna move Sam up to our fifty three, weird
now is gone.
Speaker 9 (12:26):
It's weird nuance actually, because you know that rule meeting
the player has to go to the fifty three man roster.
That was really put in place to prevent say the
Denver Broncos from blocking Sam going to another team. Right,
so somebody wants to pick you up, well, we can't
block you from the right to go be on a
fifty three man roster. But in theory, in this situation,
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Sam would be saying no, I really want to be
on the practice squad here, but he doesn't have a
choice and somebody plucks him.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, this is feeling sketchy too, because, in all honesty,
if the team did want him as a backup quarterback.
They probably he would think twice about giving him an
extension for five to ten million dollars if they really
wanted him. That's kind of the going rate for backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Maybe there were some teams out there as the number three.
Even that one is really tough for me to believe.
But as a backup quarterback, would you ask me the question,
what if it gives you a better chance to earn
ten million dollars by being in Denver? I'd call bs
because Sam needs to get on the field to get
that kind of money, and for him to get on
the field here at Denver, you need two dudes to
get hurt.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think Sean may have been I think that might
have been a little bit of a truth.
Speaker 10 (13:35):
Yeah, and he may may have overestimated that. That being said,
I do believe the reading him and listened that he
does like Sam Ellinger.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I don't think that was funny.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
George Peyton said it this morning. Sean said it. How
about their surprised by him? You want to talk about
We've talked a lot about Troy Franklin had a great camp.
Sam Ellinger might have had the best camp of anybody.
Speaker 10 (13:58):
Well, Ellinger has gotten restarts. When he was with the Colts,
he was owing three. He had three touchdowns, three picks,
but he completed like sixty three percent of his passes.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, what George said and Shawn has said too, is
that they did not expect him to have the arm
strength he does and that he's actually grown in that
department over the past year or so, which I supposed
to make sense. You get guy's time to develop and
get stronger and bigger and whatever you get in your
mid twenties. It's not crazy, right, Yeah, Nah, I don't
(14:32):
know if I'm buying Sean on that either, Tyler, it
doesn't make any sense. And Seawan says, well, it's the
first time I recall, Well, it's the first time any
of us would recall, because it literally makes no sense
that a guy would choose to be on the practice
squad compared to the back of it quarterback again.
Speaker 10 (14:51):
And this is Pollyanna world that I've lived, And I'll
I'll repeat what I said yesterday unless George and Sean
and the Pinners have something.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Really really cooking.
Speaker 10 (15:02):
Yeah, for this organization that maybe we don't even see, well,
they must that somebody would say listen, and I do
agree with Tyler even in that Scenariolet's say, listen, we're
gonna get you up at least and I told you
there's one hundred and eighty seven thousand a game versus
twenty three to five. Again that's a big difference weekly,
but we get you up four weeks as the three
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quarterback pay you another close to eight hundred thousand whatever
they won one twenty seven, four hundred and five hundred thousand.
Now a sudden you're making eight nine hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, all I got better. I canna tell you on
this one is enjoyed Jared Stindhams last year on the Denver.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Broncos it kind of feels that way, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Hell yeah, all right, we'll get into the rest of it.
That was fascinating what George Payton had to say earlier
today and news on Marvin MEM's coming up next live
for the Back of the Chankers studios their passion is
Justice PhD on ninety two five and reacting to Sean
Payton and George Payton spoke earlier today too, So we'll
get some of that to you. George is an interesting dude.
(16:06):
He doesn't really say all that much. So when you
get some information from him, it's like, oh, he really
I think he really wants he started a really good SoundBite.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
We kept this saying pretty close to the best and
keep quiet.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So yeah, I don't think George really accidentally says things,
and I think Sean Payton can't help himself.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
They're the polar opposite as far as information.
Speaker 9 (16:29):
I think that Sean Payton has got like little dabbles
of information that's fed to him, meaning like, yeah, there
were some teams out there that were interested in Sam Ellinger, right,
and and he turns that in his mind back into
the backup quarterback, right.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, So that's not all I don't I don't think.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
He's intentionally whined to us.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
I just think he's he's fed bits and pieces of
information and he processed it however the hell he processed it.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So what would you call an over exaggeration of the truth.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Residential?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well, then Sean has perhaps a very presidential approach to
things like Nick Benito's back here. Oh no he's not.
He's going to be gone for a week, you know,
because he needs a surgery. Michael Burne should be okay, Well, no,
he's not. He's out for the year with a hamstring whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
That's a bigger miss than the Benito one. Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You know, uh, Sam Ellinger could have been a backup quarterback,
and you know what, there were a couple of clubs
interested as being the number three guy.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
That's what it feels.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, I agree, you want to it's lying sounds too harsh.
Speaker 9 (17:31):
I don't think he's intentionally trying to lie. I just
think that he's got bits and pieces of information. Yeah,
let me ask the football guy, call coach Sanford. Uh,
that was Tyler.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
That was rude. That's rude.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm just going on, would that be an exaggeration?
Speaker 10 (17:47):
I'm just going to ditto that's what he thinks but
means yes, So let's go. It's true, sick a round pick.
They are the backup court. They want him as a
backup quarterback. Yeah, you couldn't have got value for that.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
A sixth that's a fair point, A fifth that is
a fair point. That's a really good point.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I mean, I mean, if there's honestly two people and
and listen, yeah, what you could have gotten out and
ben him a fifth or sixth round er for that?
Speaker 10 (18:14):
The one word that should never be used in pro sports.
Is loyalty because there is none. Gotta get yours when
you get yours. If somebody want him as a backup quarterback,
you're gonna tell me George Payton couldn't got a fifth
sixth round pick for him.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Agreed, Well, you can't sit there at a press conference
like Sean just did and go on and on and
on about how the value of position is more than
ever and not come to that obvious logical conclusion either.
If somebody wants to.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Turn into the guy that brings logic to this.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Show, it's a that's even a that's presidential too. That
might be that might be a little bit of a
stretch as well. All right, whatever with Sean Sean John
is you know you want you want to hear somebody
just tell you how it is and it's easier to
read through the lines. You talk to George Payton. Okay,
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he doesn't give you a lot, but sometimes what he
says or what he doesn't say seriously tells you everything.
Right for, let me present to the court's consideration this
answer this morning about estimate, about what you know was
going on with estimate.
Speaker 12 (19:18):
George, I'm just curious if you could. I mean Sean
went into it a little bit the other day, but
just expand on the decision to let Estimate go and
if the practice squad was ever a consideration for him.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
And you know, big fan of Audric, and you know,
I thought he had some moments last season. You know,
we drafted Oudric. He was twenty years old. You don't
see that very often, and we knew he'd take some
development and he did develop. I like the way he
finished against New Orleans. You know, the bottom line, we
were just able to keep four and it's hard to
keep more than that, and we just wish him the best.
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He's going to be a really good pro. You know,
I think he's with the Eagles, and you know, again
we just wish him the best.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So the question was did you make him an offer?
And at the end of the day he said we
wish him the best ye, which.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
Is no, no, we did not, But also we liked him.
He's progressed, he was a fit downd pick. Oh, this
wasn't my decision not to offer you.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Well, it could be a couple of things. It could
be that it could also be Estimating and his agent
were pissed off, and they made it clear to the
Broncos they didn't want to be there anymore. And oh, okay,
you don't want to be here, well, all right, I'm
not making you in an offer either. It might not
have even got to that point. My guess is they
just had a They were banging heads from the from
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the jump, probably since the playoff game about what's going
on here?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Look, I don't know if the Broncos offered him a
spot on the practice squad or not. I don't think
that that audio definitively makes me feel one way or
the other.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Really, it doesn't know, Okay, it does.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You think the Broncos, after hearing that, offered him a
spot on the practice squad.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
So that's where I'm getting going to, is that it
doesn't make me feel one way or the other. Because
if they did offer him a spot on the practice
squad and he declined it, they're not going to brag
about that either. So it could be one of one
of two things. It doesn't really matter. I mean, from
Mondre Gassimay's point of view, if you had an opportunity
to go anywhere else, that's where you're gonna go, and
(21:18):
whether the BRONC is offered or not, it really doesn't
matter to me. But I don't I don't feel like
that audio is definitive because they wouldn't be bragging about
a player choosing to another team.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I don't think they wanted anything to do with Estimate
in all honesty. I think they were done with them.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
I think Sean Payton was done with it.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, who was with them?
Speaker 10 (21:35):
I think George would have taken me back. He said
it was only twenty I mean it was a fifth
drowned pick.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
We liked it. Whoever, here's a twenty year old, right.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
I mean he's given reasons why, and then he would
put the big D word talk about using the big
D development development we really grew see. I think it
was up to George, he'd be on the practice squad.
But I think there was a hard, no bad blood
relationship between him and Sean pay Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You think a GM wants to see a fifth round
guy that he picked out be gone in the second.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Year twenty one?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, man, I mean that doesn't make a lot of sense.
There probably is a little sort of things with him
and Shawn about Estimate. I mean that's well, whatever, he's gone.
You know another guy that's interesting we really haven't talked about.
Did you see where Demary Mathis went to and what
fifty three he was signed to? What team Carolina? Do
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you know who's in charge of that defense? That's right,
that's right. That's that's another quirky one right there, that
we haven't spent much time on. Let me ask you
this title.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Was probably in the draft Roe when they got mad.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I would guess, I guess he's a fan of him.
How often do I know you're probably not supposed to,
but how often in the NFL, is does the word
get out there like no, we wantch you know, if
you're not here, you can come here, that sort of thing.
How often do guys know they got a landing spot
one way or the other?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Oh, you're asking King King landing? Well, I mean you're right.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
I mean I pretty much did always know I had
a landing spot with Mike or one of his protegees somewhere.
That's the way it works for me. When you get
in with somebody, I mean, I think you've got gut
feelings that I've got X amount of connections in the NFL.
But it's not especially for a player like that hero
evro Is and spending time during training camp called up
tomorrow Mathis and be like, hey, buddy, yeah, we got
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a spot for you. I know, I don't. I don't
think that guys like that have conversations now. Dudes that
are unhappy campers, that's a different story. Dudes, the dudes
that are requested trades, the big timers. Yeah, I think
there's conversations going on behind the scenes. But when you're
talking about number fifty two, number fifty three on the roster,
you might connect some dots and feel like you've got
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a good chance somewhere. But nobody's having a conversation, all.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Right, anything else stand out? Oh, the Broncos did sign
a guy as their seventeenth guy in the practice.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I saw that Ozzie rules football player.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Dan didn't know what, Dan, did you do research in
Ozzie rules football? Dan said he'd never seen Australian rules
football before.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
It's just rugby. No, it's not rugby.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean it's it's it's sort of close.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
They don't wear pads. They do not wear there they're men.
Speaker 9 (24:20):
They don't wear in rugby either. But that's the similar
That's what I'm saying. That's the similarity.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
They it's significantly different. You can run around and kick
the ball forward in Australian rules football. You can't do
that in rugby. You can only pass it backwards. The
field is like this crazy opal shit. It's like it's
like a pole.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Three goals doesn't three, No, it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Only has two and the goals do look like a
rugby sort of goal. Anyways, we got there.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
They're big in the long poles.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So the probos do use that international thing and they
get a seventeenth guy on the practice squad.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Big guy though.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Six six fifty played for the Jaguars last year.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
I mean, you got the spot, you got the spot available.
It'd be silly to not use it.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
On the text line, what did Peyton say about Vic?
I missed it. Oh, Vic was part of the conference
call this morning, unexpectedly. It uh, it wasn't Vig. We
signed signed on and Vic kind of was there.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
So like on a zoom thing.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, so it was who was.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
In the picture.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Nobody was in the picture.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
It was.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
It was actually just all audio stuff, but like yeah,
doing the doing the show. So it was the morning show.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
It was George Payton really sucks as g Hey, George,
how you doing.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Here's uh Dan, you got a little bit of something afterwards?
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Yeah, go ahead, Mike, we got your phone that went off.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
No it wasn't, but I enjoyed uh Vick Lombardi's little
uh diatricic Mike.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Geez, Mike, we gotta talk about bro code here, man,
you can't be thrown dudes under the bus.
Speaker 10 (26:02):
VI get on zoom. But then he got a phone
call or they heard him talking.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
George was answering question and all of a sudden, you heard.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I want to hear the audio of Vic. That's what
I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That is that is gone, my friend. That is that
does not exist anymore.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
What? Oh and that was buried. Just go to the
skimmer the skimmer.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, uh well, no, it wasn't on the radio show.
It was on the It was on the zoom call
from the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Oh but but he was doing his radio show.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, and that went on the zoom call by the Broncos.
The Broncos did not hit mute.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I got.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I don't know how it works. I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
We gotta find that audio. That's what we did.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Maybe somebody has it out there, but the Broncos, you know,
they scrubbub they got But it was funny because he's
answering question. All of a sudden there's just Vic with
the hot take, you know, just why, you know, and
you could hear it. Oh Clear's day. And so the
next person asking a question was Mike Cliss and George
Peyton didn't realize what had happened. He thought that was
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Mike because Mike was the next question. He thought Mike's
phone or something went off. So it's you know, that's silly,
not a big deal, just you know, Mike throwing his
boy under the bus. Though it's kind of a funny line. Actually,
you know, professionals, professionals, we got it done. What else
we got from George Payton today? Do the growth of
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Troy Franklin?
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Yeah, I mean the biggest thing. You know, he had
a really good offseason and getting stronger, and you know,
we stay in Phase one for five weeks and that
gives the players the opportunity to lift, get stronger. They're
not focused on meetings, they're not focused on football, and
I think that was really important for Troy to get stronger.
And then you know, he took that momentum into training camp.
And the biggest thing with Troy's the confidence. You know,
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he's not thinking as much. You know, last year you
could tell he was thinking, and now he's playing fast,
he's playing urgent at the confidence. You see the big play,
the ball skills, the hands, and and so he's just
developing right in front of our eyes. And that's a
credit to him and the work that he's put into it.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Who did have the best camp? As as as sings
wrap up? Who do you think it was? Was it Franklin?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Who was it in terms of like most improved?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Sure, I mean in terms of anything like just it
was it was really really good for them to have
a good camp.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
Yeah, I mean, it'd be hard to ignore Troy Franklin's performance.
I mean, for a guy that got nothing to get
dog cuss last year to turn it around and be
a legitimate number two weapon that made it realistic for
you to trade Devon Vley.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
I think it would go Franklin Stead Ellinger Stead. It
would be hard to beat, wouldn't he.
Speaker 10 (28:39):
Yeah, but literally, but that was in the game. But
Franklin from from like day one in practices, everybody's coming
around and going Troy Franklin.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Oh well, Troy Franklin.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
So I mean he was doing it, you know, in
practice and the opportunities and games whatever. But I would
still go, especially as you just said, Downer from how
he was dog cussed by multiple coaches.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
Oh my god practice last year too. I almost felt
bad for the dude last year to do.
Speaker 10 (29:05):
I mean, I don't think there's any question he's the
number two wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You want to talk about a strong year for the Broncos,
check this out that I think they had four guys
go join other teams fifty three start there. Wow, the
Broncos did not put in one waiver claim on any
player around the league, not one, So nobody joined the team. Okay,
all of their practice squad guys aside from this Australian
(29:29):
guy were here. Yep, they did not.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Last year. It was on Broncos players at least at
the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And you have a quarterback, according to your head coach,
turned down, according to the head coach, a chance to
be a backup quarterback to be on your practice squad.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Pretty wild, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And you got through camp essentially, frank Er, Julo and
Drew Sanders and then at Kids got a little hurt.
But he'll be back, you know what I mean, Like
like Michael Burton, Treg Greenlaw, Well hopefully he'll be back,
and you know, hopefully he's okay, but down for the year.
It's just a couple of guys. Yeah, so you stayed
relatively healthy guys. I don't know, man, this may have
(30:16):
been on paper the best year off season training camp
for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
Well that's why you don't look at it on paper though.
I mean, I understand what you're saying on paper, and
it's been drama free and we got we got two
contracts done, which was cool, no drama, no bad blood
between Zach and Cortland and the Denver Broncos. Now we're
working on the third. It would appear that there's no
bad blood between Nick Bonito.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
And the Denver Broncos. Cool, all awesome stuff. Yep.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
You had a roster that you believed in. Well you
knew that when you retained eighty six percent of that
roster coming into training camp. But then you go out
there and you watch the offense and you're like, I
don't know, I don't know, right, So I mean, yeah,
I got what you're saying on paper, but your eyeballs
would tell you, yeah, we got a great defense, a
hell of a defense that I think is going to
be everything that they're advertised to be.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
George Payne was gloss and Boe is their franchise. We
got our franchise quarterback. They've said that multiple times. That's
not the first time.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Well deservedly so, I mean, I'm not trying to take
that away. I'm not acting like he's not a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
He is.
Speaker 9 (31:18):
He's their dude. But it was rocky, I mean the
Scott would you agree with that?
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think there was a
couple of people in this room where chast tyed for
being honest, right, But yeah, I thought he really struggled
to start trading camp.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
All right, I have one last one for you guys,
quick and then coming up. We have some interest I
mean in Cleveland. No, this is a quick one.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Oh, lots of drama in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We'll get there. We'll get to Cleveland in a second.
But Sean Paint was asked about his boss. He was
asked about Greg Penner, what do you think he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Say best ever.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Yeah, I mean Greg, you know, what, would you say?
Great downing board for me? For Sean, He's here daily,
He's involved in every every decision, you know, every big decision.
Greg's done it all in the business world. He's learned
the football world. You know, he's he's the smartest guy
in the room, no matter what room you walk into.
So it's really it's really valuable for Sean and I
and so again, just an outstanding, standing sounding board for
(32:19):
decision making roster management. He and Carrie Bolt have been
outstanding for us.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I think he said.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Sean said, no, no, no, that's exactly what George.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, okay, what are you gonna say? Hey, tell me
about your boss? Ah? That guy time out. All right,
we'll get to Cleveland and everything going on there coming
up next. How much are you guys really following what's
happening in Cleveland in terms of what's going on there.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Well, if you watch one video, your algorithm turns into
a hundred videos. So all of a sudden, I've got
a bunch of Cleveland sports talk radio on my timeline.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's pretty entertaining, it's pretty funny. You want, let's start
with Kelsey the.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
God it really is, It really is Tebow two point zero?
How dare you disagree with me? How dare you not to?
I like this guy, That's why, because I like him.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Let's just go to the radio stuff first. So this
Tony Grossy guy, I guess he's like a columnist a writer,
but he makes regular radio and TV appearances. He's one
of them dudes. Okay, he he who was who was
like the biggest anti TBO guy here in town? You
guys doesn't ring aside from Lway Like, I don't know,
(33:48):
I know, I know, Like Woody was like, really pro TBO.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
You wrote a manifesto.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I was pro TBO as well. Yeah, well I was,
I to be to be more specific, I was pro
here's how this could work with Tebow. And I was
definitely like you drafted him, you gotta play him, That's
what I was. Woody was just like tbo's he was
like Skip Bayless. Remember they they did like ESPN shows
(34:15):
down like at Jackson's and stuff, and so that's on
the very pro side. There were a lot of anti
TBO guys in the media tons.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Yeah, but then but then they had to shut up
because they kept winning.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Games.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I can't think of a newspaper writer here was Kid's
anti TBO. I can't. I don't really remember.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I don't know if he was.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
If I were, I would say.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yes, Well, I'm just saying this Tony Grosy guy, if
it is like t Bow. This one dude on the
radio is kind of like, hey, he's Shadur has his
curiosity and he's like, yeah, let's see what he's got.
But this Tony Grosy guy has his flag buried like
Shadur sucks. And so they had this little fun conversation
(34:59):
in Cleveland talk radio.
Speaker 13 (35:00):
You mean he hurt his chances that much? There?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
A second, I gotta I got some more context. They
signed Bailey Zappi to the practice squad. So this Tony
grossy guy is just like cut Shader have Zappi. That's
it whatever, Like this guy is no sugar no matter what.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Okay, and the guy that holds the show, Rizzy or something.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Something like that, he huge. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 13 (35:26):
Sorry, you mean he hurt his chances that much there?
Why would they value the third game over the first.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Game, because it's you're supposed to improve with every appearance.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
He played they played with the two's in the first
argue with them all.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
He had five series and he went backwards on each
of them.
Speaker 13 (35:48):
Played with the threes, Tony. Four of the five guys
got waived the next day. That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
That doesn't mean anything to you.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Something to you.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
He means something to you.
Speaker 13 (35:57):
If Dylan Gabriel was the guy playing with the three
and they got waved the next day, that would mean
so do you.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Doesn't fit your narrative, doesn't fit your narrative.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Narrative. I don't understand your emotional investment, Tony.
Speaker 13 (36:13):
I'm rooting for the kid. Don't worry about what my
investment is. Worry about what your investment is with your guy.
Don't worry about me. Don't worry about why I like
a guy. I think that kid can play better than
Bill Dylan Gabriel. I said it before the draft, and
I'll stick to it. I think he got a raw
deal here in Cleveland. End of story. That's how I feel.
Don't tell me how to feel.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
At which point will you admit, boy.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Was I wrong? Tony?
Speaker 13 (36:38):
It might be ten years down the road, because both
these guys are going to be backups.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Honestly, honestly, I.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Agree with you. I agree with that, but right now,
Gabriel's better see it, didn't you?
Speaker 13 (36:49):
Yes, Tony, Yes, you asked me why I'm rooting for
Shador because I like him.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I'm sorry he's famous.
Speaker 13 (36:57):
I'm sorry that you don't like famous people, even though
you're the most famous guy in the world.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Right now, Okay, I don't even I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I don't know what you think. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 13 (37:07):
Don't tell me who would have liked and who to
root for it, because I don't rootfer you.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Root for it.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's good stuff. It's TVO, that is TVA right there.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, neither one of them were making
logical arguments. I don't know what's the dude's name that
was host of the radio show.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Riz.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
He was actually more logical than Tony, I mean, because
Tony was like, well, can you admit that to dyl
Gabriel has been better.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
He's like, yes, but I like I like it.
Speaker 10 (37:35):
But that's also out of context in the sense that
this argument has been going on since before week one.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
But this was exactly what it was happening with TiVo.
When you looked at him on the field and like
practice and camp and everything, it was just like, you
gotta be kidding me, this is not good. And everybody
with any kind of sense of football.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Was like, but that part's not.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
I don't think that's a direct comparison to Sor because he.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Could play it.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
He's been getting really good reviews from his training camps.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Tony Grossi just said he because he goes back and
back and back. He's had five drives because keeps going backwards.
Dan Or Latsky was back back back on that stuff.
I saw Robert Griffin Junior. I saw Cam Newton talk
about Schador just you know, you got to step up
in the pocket.
Speaker 10 (38:18):
I mean, Downer said it best after that third game.
The first game he said, Okay, this kid's getting and
he's looking.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
He's doing what he needs to do.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
The third game he reverted back to see you and
what's the difference. First game he's playing with first and
second team or a second. Last game he.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Played the third one, Well, that's it.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
He's playing with guys that are going to be cut,
and that's all the guys he's played with on the
line the last two years.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
He realized that was the tebow story too, like who
he's playing with, who's the coach, how he's he's set
up for failure. He doesn't have a chance because nobody's
giving him.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Listen, he could throw What did Tony say after the
first game for I'd love to know that, I'm.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Sure kill Well that was you don't believe in me
to I know, I know, you know, why are you
hating on me? That sort of thing.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
I mean, to take the accumulation of their preseason performances,
it would be impossible to not grade out Dylan Gabriel
is better because the two games or the three games
combined that Doan did play one of them, but the
games that they played combined, Yeah, it was a better average.
I mean, if you want to average it out, for sure,
it was a better average. But what happened in the
(39:27):
first game was pretty special for sure, right Yeah, So
so how do you weigh that into an average?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Again? You know, if you want to say Tvo sucks,
I'm with you. If you want to say he's good
and does nothing but win, I'll point out his record.
I mean it's kind of crazy. Yeah, I mean there's
two sizes.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Here's what Travis here let me play Travis Kelsey for you.
And you know, it's funny hearing Travis and Jason because
even though they play for the Eagles and the Chiefs,
right and they love their own teams, they are still
from Cleveland. So there is in their sports fans like
they still have, like you know, good feelings about and
they want good things for Cleveland teams. Here's what Dravis said.
Speaker 14 (40:04):
Give the people what they want for sure. I mean, listen,
I want the worst wants to see him go out
there and not only play, but have success. At this point,
guys are rooting for him. This isn't against anything against Dylan,
This isn't anything against Joe. I'm just saying the excitement
is there for him to go out there. He's going
to put eyes on the screen. He is going to
(40:27):
bring people to the game. It is what it is, man,
Why I would at least I would love to see
it many. I say all this as a fellow Clevelander,
and I hear with the chatter around Cleveland and how
everybody just get you get Dion Sun in the building.
He enjoys being in the limelight, he enjoys being on
that football field. He's got to excite me. He's the
showman when he plays. It's just it's so fun to
(40:49):
want to root for that. It's it's fun to imagine
what it would look like if they let twelve go
out there and shake it.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
And that was Tibo too. We don't care about it whatever.
We just want to see him. We just want to
see him play. We want to see where this is
gonna go. Schaderan TiVo. I don't know, man, it strikes
me as incredibly similar. I don't know how the passion
is for the fan base, but it's interesting here a
current player just be like, damn, I don't know, let's
(41:17):
see it.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
Yeah, I mean, give the people what they want. The
people do want to see, Sir Sanders.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
And does anybody really give a crap about Dylan Gabriel
Oregon fans. Meanwhile, do you see what the Shawn Watson's
putting out videos?
Speaker 9 (41:31):
Yeah, they're saying he's uh, he actually might be available
come October. They're gonna have to make a decision on him.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (41:38):
If Deshaun is healthy, I bet they thrust him back
into the starting lineup. Okay, because why wouldn't you why
why why wouldn't you try to salvage that one last time.
You already committed, You're you're you're pot committed financially yep.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I mean on paper too, he's still in the prime
of his career.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
I mean on paper, he's the best quarterback in the room.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Cleveland wins Man as well. You don't care about anything else, Cleveland.
Whatever the drama sweepstakes is Cleveland. You win Cleveland, and
then we're just gonna start Joe Flacco. Yeah, who's their
first game against?
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Who? They playing?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
So many tough the first four games, ap brutal.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Let's see how much arch band It's gonna make this year, No,
how much last year didn't make? Like four last year
is a backup? Got four or five?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Six point eight that's awesome.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Two and a half million dollars more than the next highest,
which is Carson back out in Miami.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
That's awesome.
Speaker 10 (42:39):
You don't you try to look at we have to
look at all the quarterbacks salaries and see how many
NFL quarterbacks he's making more money?
Speaker 9 (42:45):
Did well, he's making about a lot. He's making six
point four billion more than Sam.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, who's according to shot.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
He's making eight hundred thowns more than stake him. Yep, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Oh, he's making a lot more money than a lot
of quarterbacks in the NFL. I mean, not the starter starters,
but like tons rookie starters. Tomorrow it's Texas or Saturday
rather Texas at Ohio State ten am. Kickoff right here
on Altitude Sports Radio ninety two fives fing of college football.
Romey's interview with Dion was great. It's a small clip,
(43:20):
but it's you know, it's fantastic. You'll hear it next
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